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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: I've never told to your production of iHeart Radio, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Monday. Wow. That felt very like warning show esque.

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Speaker 1: I need I need to dial that back. Wow, We'll

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Speaker 1: welcome to another Monday Mini. And uh, we want to

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Speaker 1: not really talking about trauma and assault, but just sometimes

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Speaker 1: hearing events that are happening I know can be triggering.

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Speaker 1: So just to go ahead and put it out there.

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Speaker 1: And especially if you're tired being disappointed, which I feel

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Speaker 1: and say I'll save this for later on. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: I feel like we called that out in a way

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Speaker 1: Did we curse something of the curse? You know? So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: issues that have happened in work related circumstances beyond just harassment,

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