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Speaker 1: Welcome to Is this a great game or what with

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer Tim Kirchen.

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Speaker 2: I'm his son, Jeff Kirkchhen.

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Speaker 1: Dad and I listened back to the entire Jim Abbot

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Speaker 1: interview we had with him. We laughed and we cried.

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Speaker 1: He is an inspiration. What a fantastic guest he was.

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Speaker 3: He was so good. And for our listeners who haven't

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Speaker 3: seen it or heard it yet, just please stay to

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Speaker 3: the end because the last thing he said was the

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Speaker 3: most important thing he said. And that's really saying something

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Speaker 3: because everything he said was important in this interview. Some

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Speaker 3: of it was funny, some of it was sad, but

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Speaker 3: all of it was inspiration.

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Speaker 1: And we had an inspirational member of the family, McKinley Abbot,

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Speaker 1: the daughter of Andy Abbott, who has been emailing back

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Speaker 1: and forth with us and Dad get this. So the

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Speaker 1: episode obviously came out yesterday at midnight. He said, the

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Speaker 1: family was up early this morning. I was up at

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Speaker 1: four am like it was Christmas morning.

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Speaker 2: This is Andy Abbott writing to me.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to wait until the fam was up

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Speaker 1: at six thirty am, and we watched the episode together

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Speaker 1: in the morning. McKinley could not wipe a grin off

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Speaker 1: of her face if she tried. He included a little

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Speaker 1: social media as well, and wanted to show it to

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Speaker 1: her classmates and her softball team. We will never forget this.

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Speaker 1: We are truly grateful, and we know that Jim's message

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Speaker 1: will continue to inspire not only McKinley, but all kids

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Speaker 1: with challenges to overcome. This podcast is unlike anything I've

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Speaker 1: come across. It's entertaining, informational, hilarious, personal, inspiring, and I'm

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Speaker 1: so glad I found it. Thank you for letting us

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Speaker 1: become a member of your family in such a deep

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Speaker 1: and personal way. With gratitude, Andy, Laura Elliott and McKinley.

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Speaker 3: And are we surprised Jeff at all that Jim Abbott

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Speaker 2: Now, not surprised all.

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Speaker 1: He gave her multiple shout outs during the interview and

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Speaker 1: it was just really special. So take some time to

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Speaker 1: go listen back to the interview because it is one

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Speaker 2: So make sure to listen to that.

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Speaker 1: Now, Dad today kind of like not really jumping ahead

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Speaker 1: twenty fourth anniversary.

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Speaker 2: Of nine to eleven.

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Speaker 1: Baseball was massive in helping this country move forward and heal,

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Speaker 1: obviously New York being a massive baseball town. And I

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Speaker 1: remember being just eight years old. My mom was out

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Speaker 1: Miss Karapresso, our third grade teacher, holding it down as

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Speaker 2: I remember like it was yesterday. YEA believe it was.

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Speaker 3: A terrible, terrible day in our country. However we recovered

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Speaker 3: of what nine to eleven meant and what it meant

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Speaker 3: moving forward, and Jeff, You're right, Baseball did a fabulous

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Speaker 3: I mean the question was are we coming back too soon?

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Speaker 1: Then Bobby Valentine ob my favorite story.

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Speaker 3: He said, when we got to Shay Stadium, there were snipers,

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Speaker 3: Bobby said, you cannot believe the whole lead up to

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Speaker 1: It's incredible, Dad, Thank you for taking us down memory

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Speaker 2: Really really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: So we remember all of our first responders. We are

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Speaker 3: You well, speaking of home runs, which we speak a

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Speaker 3: You know, the Phillies have been around forever, and Ryan

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Speaker 3: congratulations to Kyle Schwarber. As for pitching, we still have

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Speaker 3: good pitching out there, Jeff. It's everywhere. Kate Horton of

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Speaker 3: the Cubs are dangerous, Jeff. We know they can score runs.

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Speaker 3: When you have a guy like this, just a kid

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Speaker 2: There that year, Jeff, he had.

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Speaker 3: More homers, hit more homers three than he allowed two.

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Speaker 3: The number of times we've all been wrong this year,

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Speaker 3: How many times have we been wrong this year, especially me,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking you were going to bring up the

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Speaker 1: This is why September is the best month for baseball,

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Speaker 1: This past Tuesday, the Phillies scored nine runs, go nine

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Speaker 1: Dad, So how cool and special is that he gets

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you some other time. Get Smart. By

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Speaker 1: But we come from different generations dat I mean, you know,

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Speaker 3: But here it is, get smart lunchbox. I got this

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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 1: You pack your peanut butter and jelly in that one

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Speaker 3: Enough of that, all right, None of my cortions are

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Speaker 2: Right right he had over two. I tried to jump

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Speaker 1: forty five and a best of all tim talking about

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Speaker 1: the Pirates.

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Speaker 2: It's next, all right, Dad, on this date in baseball history,

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Speaker 2: what do you have?

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Speaker 3: Well? On this date in eighteen eighty six, and Jeff,

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Speaker 3: I just love it that this we could go back

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Speaker 3: this far in baseball eighteen eighty six, Connie Mack made

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Speaker 3: his major league debut as a player. As our pal

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Speaker 3: Tyler Kepner pointed out in a recent story, Connie Mack

447
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Speaker 3: was the manager of Bobby Shantz, who will celebrate his

448
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 3: one hundredth birthday on September twenty six. Bobby Shantz played

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Speaker 3: for Connie Mack, who made his major league debut in

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Speaker 3: eighteen eighty six and was born during the Civil War.

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Speaker 3: And Bobby Shantz played for a guy who was born

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Speaker 3: during the Civil War. And Bobby Shantz, God bless him,

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Speaker 3: is still alive. I mean, do you find that impossible?

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Speaker 2: Dad?

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Speaker 1: It's shocking because also in eighteen eighty six, Carl Benz

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Speaker 1: patented the first automobile.

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Speaker 2: Think about that. We didn't even have.

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Speaker 1: Cars, that didn't even have a thought of a car

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Speaker 1: until eighteen eighty six. So we're talking about eighteen eighty

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Speaker 1: six here, Dad, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: This is Carl Benz. Did he create the Honda Accord?

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Speaker 2: Is that the guy that no, you're thinking Mercedes Benz? Dad,

463
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Speaker 2: we us Kirchens. We don't go high end here, Okay.

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely not?

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Speaker 2: All right? So right out of Connie Mack.

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Speaker 3: Look, first off, his real name is Cornelius McGillicutty, but

467
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Speaker 3: he shortened it to Connie Mack. And he's, you know,

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Speaker 3: manage more games than anyone in history, and there is

469
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Speaker 3: not a close second. Of course, he owned the team

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Speaker 3: when he was the manager for at least a while,

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Speaker 3: But I've always been fascinated by his first name, Connie.

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Speaker 3: So with a little time on my hands this week,

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Speaker 3: I came up with, let me guess this is really

474
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Speaker 3: bad woman's name team. Yeah, And again, there are men

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Speaker 3: that have names like Connie Dierking played in the NBA,

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Speaker 3: so he's not the only Connie ever. But I think

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Speaker 3: we can agree when you hear the name Connie, you

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Speaker 3: generally think of a woman like Connie Stevens, Connie Francis right,

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Speaker 3: That's the way.

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Speaker 2: I would think. So yeah, that all right? That checks out.

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Speaker 3: And again, some of these are guys' names. If I

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Speaker 3: offend a guy with any of this, I'm not intending

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Speaker 3: to do this. I think all the names that I'm

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Speaker 3: going to give you are slightly more and sometimes way

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Speaker 3: more female than male. And you could be the judge

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Speaker 3: of this. First basement is broked Jacoby. We went to

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Speaker 3: Brook o'briant's wedding a year ago. Nellie Fox Hall of

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Speaker 3: Famer is our second baseman. Kelly Gruber. Your sister's name

489
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Speaker 3: is Kelly. You think they're more female Kelly's than male Kelly's.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that, Okay, yes, all right.

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Speaker 3: Kim Battiste is our shortstop former Philly. Again. His real

492
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Speaker 3: name is not Kimberley, but it's Kim. I think of Kim,

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Speaker 3: and I think more of a female. Yeah, this is

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Speaker 3: my favorite Carol Hardy c A R R O L L.

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Speaker 3: Who wants pinship for Ted Williams and for Carly Stremsky.

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Speaker 3: He's one outfielder, Robin Yunt, who we mentioned on last

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Speaker 3: week's show Hall of Famer. Robin more woman than.

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Speaker 2: Robin, thinks, okay.

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Speaker 3: And the last one is Riley Green. Matt McCoy our

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Speaker 3: dear friend name his daughter Riley Riley Green at the Tigers.

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Speaker 3: You think that's more of a female name.

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Speaker 2: I would say, so.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little surprised you didn't go with

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Speaker 1: Casey Stengele in right field. Casey, would you say? I

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Speaker 1: would say it's maybe more male than female, but it's close.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's the manager, so oh okay, great, Yeah, make it.

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Speaker 2: Way ahead of me.

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Speaker 3: You interrupted me this time, and this time you were

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Speaker 3: right way to go?

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Speaker 2: Can I interrupt you again on the starting pitcher? Yes,

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Speaker 2: you got this Zany Kofa.

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Speaker 3: Andy Kofan, and I got a bunch of pictures, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: and it's going to end with a little bang for you,

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Speaker 3: I hope. Madison Bumgarner, you have a cousin. Female cousin

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Speaker 3: Madison Madison, Mackenzie Gore, Leslie Bria b r e A

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Speaker 3: pitched recently. L E s l I E. And he

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Speaker 3: doesn't as far as I know, he didn't go by Less.

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Speaker 3: He went by Leslie, Francis Marte, Shelby Miller More Shelby Girls.

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Speaker 2: Agreed for sure.

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Speaker 3: McKinley Moore. McKinley Moore pitched for the Phillies couple of

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Speaker 3: years ago. Briefly, Am I right about that? I think

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Speaker 3: I'm right about that.

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Speaker 2: You're absolutely right about that.

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Speaker 1: He's been up and down in the Philly system for

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Speaker 1: a little while, and now I believe, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: he's in the Mexican League. So yeah, McKinley Moore, definitely

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Speaker 1: a good pick. Thanks for throwing him in, Dad, I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: For our first time listeners. You need to complete the sentence.

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Speaker 3: McKinley Moore.

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Speaker 2: Your daughter is McKinley Hope.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Kenley Moore, McKinley, Hope.

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Speaker 3: All right, so that was my impromptu team Tim of

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Speaker 3: the week major League Baseball players whose first name are

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Speaker 3: generally considered more of a female name than a male name.

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Speaker 2: Is that a giant, biggest stretch ever? Jeff or Well,

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Speaker 2: I'll have you know.

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Speaker 1: You texted me Connie Mack team Tim, what do you

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Speaker 1: think it is? And I immediately went to the last name,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking, like mac truck, Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, that's what I thought you were going with.

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Speaker 1: And I realized there's no two men that know less

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Speaker 1: about cars than you and I, Dad, So I don't

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Speaker 1: think we're able to do that at all.

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Speaker 2: Right, we're terrible, right.

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Speaker 3: Is it a Porsche or is it a Porsche? I've

548
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Speaker 3: never understood because I drive a Toyot, so I'm never sure.

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Speaker 3: Is it Porsche or Porsche? Dad?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a Porsche, all right, But I think

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Speaker 1: Porsche is a woman's name, Porsche de Rassi.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm the last person you should be asking this. And

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Speaker 1: you also drive a Honda. I know you did it for.

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Speaker 2: The joupid joke and it was a terrible joke.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, Well, I'll tell you, Dad, it's kind

557
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Speaker 1: of funny because in little Inside Baseball here.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I work in radio and we're.

559
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Speaker 1: Always looking for sponsorships and salespeople are always looking for

560
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Speaker 1: an angle, right, give me an angle of how you

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Speaker 1: can fit in with my sponsor. Well, I got pitched

562
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Speaker 1: to be a Ford sponsor pending, Still not sure because

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Speaker 1: my wife drives a Ford Explorer. I drive a Ford Maverick. Right,

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Speaker 1: my first ever car was a Ford Escape, if you remember, Dad,

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Speaker 1: And then you know I was thinking, okay, what else,

566
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Speaker 1: and I realized, Oh, my dog's name is Ranger. A

567
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: Ford Ranger is a type of truck they sell. So

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Speaker 1: I made a video with Ranger and I said, look,

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Speaker 1: this is our Maverick, this is our Explorer, and.

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Speaker 2: This is our Ranger. Pretty creative, right, that's very good, Jeff.

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Speaker 3: We've already done the all car team, but we'll have

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Speaker 3: to bring it back the next time we bring up

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Speaker 3: somebody who has a car name, a new player that

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Speaker 3: comes up, we'll repeat that one. I'm sure, all right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Birthdays nineteen sixty nine. It's Eduardo Perez's for today. Yes,

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Speaker 3: our best friend, Eduardo, the greatest teammate ever you know

577
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Speaker 3: where he is right now. He's in Turkey. There was

578
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: no Sunday Night Baseball on September seventh, so he had

579
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Speaker 3: like a week to ten days to take off, so

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Speaker 3: he went to Istanbul at Wardo in Turkey. I cannot

581
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Speaker 3: wait to hear these stories because, as I've told you

582
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Speaker 3: about Eduardo, wherever he goes, nothing can possibly go wrong.

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Speaker 2: All right.

584
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 3: He just acts like he's been there before. And I

585
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: have no doubt that if I'm with Eduardo, nothing could

586
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: possibly happen to me. Nothing bad could, because Edwardo would

587
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 3: take care of it. That's why he's the greatest teammate ever.

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Speaker 1: Do you think he still shows up an hour before

589
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: his flight for international flights?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure he was running to the gate to

591
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Speaker 3: get on a plane to Istanbul, because that's who Eduardo is.

592
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite Eduardo story from our two

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Speaker 3: years that we had him on the podcast, Let's see

594
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Speaker 3: if you remember me.

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Speaker 2: My favorite. My favorite one is the one about his mom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, tell it again.

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Speaker 1: So when he was in college, if I'm not mistake freshman,

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Speaker 1: he was being introduced by the PA announcer as Eddie

599
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Speaker 1: Perez and his mom, who had two seats.

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Speaker 2: In the state.

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Speaker 1: Mind you always it was her seat and one for

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Speaker 1: her purse. Yes, right, And she goes down and yells

603
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Speaker 1: at Eduardo and Eduardo's manager in college and says.

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Speaker 2: Eduardito, your name is ed Wardo, not Eddie. I didn't

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Speaker 2: name you Eddie. And so they had to make the

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Speaker 2: word all the way up to the PA announcer.

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Speaker 1: And the next time he came up to bat up

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Speaker 1: to Matt Eduardo Perez.

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Speaker 3: So that is my mom going down to the dugout

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Speaker 3: and screen in my favorite I have a million favorite

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Speaker 3: Eduardo stories. But one year he went to you know,

612
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 3: he wasn't a great defender. He'll be the first to

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00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: tell you that. One year he went to spring trading

614
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: and didn't bring a glove. He gave all of his

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00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 3: equipment away to kids in Puerto Rico. I think I'm

616
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: not sure where he just gave all of his equipment,

617
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Speaker 3: and he came to spring trading and had to borrow

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Speaker 3: somebody's glob because he didn't have one. It's just so classic, Edvardo.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday to our dear friend Eduardo Perez, and our

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Speaker 3: last Happy Birthday is to Jacoby Elsbury born in nineteen

621
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Speaker 3: eighty three. Jacoby Elsbury nearly won the MVP in twenty eleven.

622
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 3: In fact, if the Batox had won the division that year,

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Speaker 3: I think he would have won the MVP. And he

624
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: holds a rather strange record, Jeff, I believe his final

625
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: year he passed Pete Rose for the most catchers interferences

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Speaker 3: of any player in history. I believe it's thirty two.

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Speaker 3: Pete I think had thirty one. It was very close.

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Speaker 3: But imagine that he was a really good player, tremendous athlete,

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Speaker 3: could fly, didn't It didn't work out too well for

630
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Speaker 3: the Yankees, But Jacoby Elsbury in his prime was a

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Speaker 3: really good player.

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Speaker 1: Dad from Ozzie to Oral, we're counting down the best

633
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Speaker 1: players at each number, and our next number is number

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Speaker 1: forty four. By the way, big shout out Syracuse University.

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Speaker 1: That's like our big number forty four. Coques, what do

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Speaker 1: you got.

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Speaker 2: Dore Right?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is insulting, But who's the greatest number forty four?

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Speaker 2: Jeff, It's easy.

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00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 3: It's Hank Aaron, right, And I've told a thousand Hank

641
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: Aaron stories, and I've repeated several of them. I'm just

642
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: going to tell you again. Hands and wrists as strong

643
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 3: as almost anyone I've ever met in my entire life.

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00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: And I asked him in that famous four and a

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Speaker 3: half inning interview that we did with him with Eduardo

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00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 3: Perez Dave Fleming, and I I asked Hank Aaron on

647
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 3: the air because I didn't know the answer. Where did

648
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: those incredibly strong hands and risks come from? And he said, well,

649
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: my dad was a boxer, so I was born with

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Speaker 3: really big, hard, strong hands. And he said, my dad,

651
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: among his other jobs, used to carry giant blocks of

652
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Speaker 3: ice deliver them. And the only way you could carry

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Speaker 3: them or with these tongs that would like wrap around

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Speaker 3: the ice, and he would carry him on each side

655
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Speaker 3: of him and walk up steps. And he said, and

656
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: I used to go with him sometimes and carry the

657
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: ice with him. That's where the strong hands came from.

658
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: And sometimes I have trouble using tongues to get a

659
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: chicken breast that's a little.

660
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 2: Bit larger off the grill. And he's picking up giant

661
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: blocks of ice, Jef.

662
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Speaker 3: That's why he's Hank Aaron and you're not, and neither

663
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: of I. All right, Number forty five, Jeff, we have

664
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Speaker 3: to do two in a day because Hank Aaron was

665
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 3: too easy, This was too hard. I must say this

666
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 3: came down to number forty five, Bob Gibson or Peter Martinez. Now, Jeff,

667
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: I am sixty eight years old. I grew up watching

668
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: Bob Gibson as a young man. Sixty four, World Series,

669
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: sixty seven, World Series Red Sox, right in my wheelhouse

670
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: sixty eight against the Tigers. I was all over that Bob,

671
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: Bob Gibson is the most ferocious pitcher that I have

672
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 3: ever seen in my life. And yet somehow, miraculously I'm

673
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: going with somebody else and it's Peter Martinez. What do

674
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: you think about that? Off the top? Am I gonna

675
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 3: get killed for this?

676
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: I don't, I mean you might. You might get killed

677
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: for this.

678
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: You usually get killed, respectfully, when I read the social

679
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: media comments. You usually get killed for picking an older

680
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: player over a more modern player, right, Because a lot

681
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: of people still listen, I'm not not here. It upset you,

682
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: but a lot of people still believe that sometimes the

683
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: older guys didn't have to face the pitching of today.

684
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: And you always say, listen, I know it was a

685
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: different game, right, But I think you're right, because Dad,

686
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: what is the thing you always say about Pedro. For

687
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: a two year period, he was the greatest power pitcher ever.

688
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: I mean, he's the best picture I've ever seen for

689
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: a short period of time. Let's call it five years,

690
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: ninety nine, two thousand, Jeff his ear. This is in

691
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: the height of the steroid era in the American League East.

692
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 3: They loaded American League East and in a DH league.

693
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 3: And his ERA those two years combined was one point nine. Oh.

694
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 2: The league ra.

695
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: Those two years combined was four point nine to Zho exactly.

696
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: He was three runs lower than the league average for

697
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: a two year period. He won three Cy Youngs, He

698
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 3: made eight All Star teams. He won the ERA title

699
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: five times. He had a six eighty seven winning percentage.

700
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: The only pitcher with a higher winning percentage than that

701
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: with at least two hundred wins was Hall of Famer

702
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: Whitey Ford. And I'll never forget Jeff Pedro. Martinez told

703
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: me once when he weighed he was in rookie ball,

704
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: he weighed one hundred and thirty eight pounds, which I'm

705
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: sad to say, that's what I weighed in this morning,

706
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty eight pounds, and he was throwing

707
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: ninety three miles an hour, and I said, Pedro, how

708
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: is that possible you could throw that hard at one

709
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 3: thirty eight And he looks at me and he said, well,

710
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: God gave me that, And it's absolutely true. He had

711
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 3: a god given gift to throw a baseball. And then

712
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: of course it came out as a young pitcher as

713
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: he went along, and he was so little and so

714
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 3: skinny and so young looking that Arrestes Destrata, who is

715
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: a teammate of mine at ESPN for several years, told

716
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: me in a spring training game. I'm not sure of

717
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: all the details, but Arrests told me this that he

718
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 3: saw Pedro on the field before a game and asked

719
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: him to go get him something like, you know, chewing

720
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: tobacco or a new bat or something. Not understanding this

721
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 3: is Pedro Martinez. And so Arrests comes up to bat

722
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: that night and they bring in Pedro Martinez, and according

723
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: to Arrests, Pedro struck about on three pitches and Arrestes

724
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 3: is looking at him and going, oh my god, I

725
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: thought he was the bad boy, and he just came

726
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 3: in with the most amazing stuff I've ever seen. Always

727
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 3: be careful of the package, chef, not underestimate size for skills, strength,

728
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: everything else. And there have been very few pictures that

729
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: I've ever seen that were better than Pedro Martinez's peak value.

730
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 3: He's still best picture that I've ever seen. And I

731
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:18,439
Speaker 3: saw Seaver, I saw Randy Johnson, Maddox, Clemmens, I saw

732
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: him all. And there's nobody quite like Pedro, especially for

733
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: those two years. So apologies to all Bob Gibson fans nobody,

734
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: but nobody loves Bob Gibson more than me. But I

735
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: had to make a very difficult call and I did.

736
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 3: And if people disagree, please give me the facts and

737
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: I'll read them because that's how close it.

738
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: Was for me.

739
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can always message us at great gamerw dot com.

740
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: Dad now has access to the website and doing a

741
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: great job replying to those messages. Takes a little load

742
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 1: off of the load I have, which usually happens after

743
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: the show. You put together the rundowns and then I

744
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: put together the episode. So to have you responding to people,

745
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: it's really cool for members of our family, but it's

746
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: also really cool for me because it just takes one thing.

747
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: So thank you, Dad, and thank you for all of

748
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: your messages. Wrapping up today, Dad, what do we have

749
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Speaker 1: for the best of all tim We're going with the

750
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Pirates, the best member of that franchise.

751
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: All right, now again for what you just said about

752
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 3: the criticism, The greatest Pittsburgh Pirate is Hanns. Wagner, who

753
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: played one hundred and twenty five years ago met Jeff.

754
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: He had thirty four hundred and twenty hits. He led

755
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: the league in hitting eight different times. He was the

756
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: first superstar player of the twentieth century. He is the

757
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: greatest shortstop of all time. And I remember my Fred

758
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 3: Craig Wright, who's like one of the great baseball guys,

759
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: especially when it comes to numbers. And Craig. Craig used

760
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 3: to tell me every day that I saw how great

761
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 3: Hottest Wagner was because he just appreciated so was. I

762
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: was following some sort of committee that was putting together

763
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 3: the greatest players of all time, and I said, Craig,

764
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: Hannus Wagner was voted number seven, and he said, seventh

765
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: greatest player of all time.

766
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: That's a little bit low, but I can go along

767
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: with it.

768
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 3: And then I said, Craig, No, the committee that was

769
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 3: putting this together had him as the seventh best shortstop

770
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 3: of all time. Oh my gosh, and Craig I thought

771
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 3: his head was going to pop off. He was so angry,

772
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 3: and then for twenty minutes just lectured me.

773
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 2: And I wasn't on the committee.

774
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: I was just reporting what this committee had come up with.

775
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: But Jeff, this is the point about baseball, and I'll

776
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 3: argue this with anyone. This guy played one hundred and

777
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: twenty five years ago. He was five eleven and two

778
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: hundred pounds. He could run like the win. We're not

779
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: talking I've told you this before, Jem. We're not talking

780
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 3: about we. Willie Keeler here right looks like me. I'm

781
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: not suggesting he's gonna come up and get two hundred

782
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 3: hits every year. I'm saying a great player like Hannis Wagner,

783
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: who was huge for his position at the time, We'll

784
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: give him a little bit of time, a couple of

785
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: months to figure out today's major league game. And I

786
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 3: don't care what anyone says. He would be the everyday

787
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,919
Speaker 3: shortstop on the Pirates right now if we just gave

788
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: him a couple months to figure it out. Five eleven,

789
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 3: two hundred pounds, Jeff one hundred and twenty five years ago,

790
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: and he's using a hut. It was a great defensive shortstop.

791
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 3: And he's using a hunk of leather on his left

792
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 3: hand that I don't know how you could catch anything

793
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: in that. Put an eight two thousand on him, he

794
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 3: would catch every Yeah.

795
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: We saw, we saw, we had the privilege. This was

796
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: years ago now, probably call and Tony's induction year if

797
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 1: I remember correctly. We went to the basement of the

798
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: National Baseball Hall of Fame. Remember when they showed us

799
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: those gloves, Like we've seen pictures and you can see

800
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: it in a you know, in the Hall of Fame,

801
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: for example, it's ridiculous what these guys were fielding with

802
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: or what they were wearing on their.

803
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: Feet, right, their cleats, right, I'm using heavy air quotes here, right.

804
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: If we gave them even half the equipment we have today,

805
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: these players would be faster, stronger, better, the training equipment,

806
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: the bats, everything, everything.

807
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: You give them all the advantages of today, and it's

808
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: gonna make them significantly better. And then they're going to

809
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: have to figure out how to hit ninety seven every night,

810
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 3: which I'm not suggesting would be easy. I'm just saying

811
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 3: the biggest, best, strongest players from one hundred years ago

812
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 3: could play today, and the people that disagree with me,

813
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: I understand your point. I think Hannis Wagner is in

814
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 3: a different category, and that's why he is, for me,

815
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 3: the greatest Pittsburgh Pirate ever.

816
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: All right, Dad, we are wrapping up today's episode. Wanted

817
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: to get a quick update.

818
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: Colonoscopy went great, Everything was clean and clear. We are

819
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: good to go, folks.

820
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: I actually got a text message from one of our

821
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: favorite listeners, missus Kelly, my buddy Ben Kelly's mother who

822
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: listens to every single episode, and she wrote back, or

823
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: she wrote to me when the episode came out. I

824
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: was having my colonoscopy, So I hope everything went great.

825
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: Just you know, a mom very concerned about what's going on,

826
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: and I just have to report.

827
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Speaker 2: And everything was good. We're happy, we're.

828
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Healthy, and boy, oh boy, am I glad to be

829
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: eating again because.

830
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Speaker 2: That was not a fun prep.

831
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: Alright, Jeff, what was the first meal that you ate

832
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: after going through the worst prep in history?

833
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: I had a twelve inch hogy from wah wah? Is

834
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 2: that right?

835
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 3: Oh?

836
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like we used to, Dad, You know, we

837
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: used to before I went gluten and dairy free.

838
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 3: Dad.

839
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Speaker 1: When you would come up for the podcast, we would

840
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: order all my drive home, I would order wa wa

841
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: hogies for you, you, me, my wife Emily, our nanny Kira,

842
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: and we would all eat wahwah right before recording an episode.

843
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: Now I've gone gluten free ever since. I gave that

844
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: up for one day because I said, I need this

845
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: so badly, I deserve this. I earned this, and I

846
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: ate that sucker in thirty seconds.

847
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 2: It felt like, jem it was good.

848
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: Among the many differences between you and me is that

849
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 3: when I grew up, we didn't eat lunch at a

850
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 3: gas station. But that's how it works wherever you go. Now.

851
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 3: It's just incredible to me you can eat dinner at

852
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: a gas station these days. It's a different world, but

853
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 3: it's a great world, Jeff. And we've still got Jim

854
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: Abbott in this world. And what a great interview yesterday.

855
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: So as we leave you here on Thursday, go back

856
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,760
Speaker 3: to Wednesday and listen to Jim Abbot, especially the last

857
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: answer to the last question.

858
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching or listening, and thank

859
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: you as always for being a part of our family.

860
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 3: A