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Speaker 1: And welcome in Late Kick Extra on the air. It's

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Speaker 1: Tuesday morning or afternoon or evening. You choose when you

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Speaker 1: want to listen. I know it's most likely February ninth,

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Speaker 1: judging by the data and the percentages, about seventy to

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Speaker 1: seventy five percent of you listen on the day of release.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Pate again. This is lke first time I've

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Speaker 1: used the acronym you're used to the name of the

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Speaker 1: pod by now it's all mailbag. We do them Tuesday mornings,

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Speaker 1: Thursday mornings, it's wall to wall college football, and then

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Speaker 1: I'll get to that question in a little while. Josh

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Speaker 1: pat seven zero six at gmail dot com is where

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Speaker 1: you can email questions to me or just comments in general.

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Speaker 1: session if you're interested in getting into sports media been

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of those this week. Now is the

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Speaker 1: time get in on those. You want to start a

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. Had someone want to start a channel about gardening?

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel. It's not luck, it's science. It's not luck anymore, guys,

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Speaker 1: hit me up, Josh pat seven zero six at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. Also you can follow me on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: DM me there at Late Kick Josh, we have got

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Speaker 1: a loaded show this morning. I told you once we

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Speaker 1: one other thing that I need to address before we

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Speaker 1: the many benefits that we have from a growing audience.

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Speaker 1: And just hang tight with me. I will keep you updated.

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Speaker 1: Just follow me on Twitter at Late Kick Josh. I'll

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Speaker 1: Buckeye fans that night. And where was that the Fiesta Bowl. No,

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Speaker 1: and you understand intricately how to build and maintain and

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Speaker 1: run an organization. Those kinds of folks are who are

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Speaker 1: going to elevate Steve Sarkisan just got hired at Texas.

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Speaker 1: For example, sark is an offensive mastermind. He's as good

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Speaker 1: as I've ever seen with quarterbacks and with game day

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Speaker 1: play calling, with installing an offense and running it seamlessly.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen an offense run like Alabama's this year.

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Speaker 1: What he is being asked to do at Texas, his

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Speaker 1: day to day responsibilities, only about twenty five percent of

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Speaker 1: those will have anything to do with offense. That leaves

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Speaker 1: three quarters of his job that is more administrative in nature,

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Speaker 1: and you're dealing with people, and you're having to build

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Speaker 1: a recruiting operation, and you're having to build your player

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Speaker 1: personnel department. You're having to manage dozens and dozens and

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Speaker 1: dozens of people. All the while you're also having to

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Speaker 1: maintain the look outwardly of what the Texas head coach

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Speaker 1: is supposed to be. You got to keep up your appearances,

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Speaker 1: You got to do this, you got to do that,

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Speaker 1: and you got to maintain a razor sharp focus because

447
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Speaker 1: every day every eyeball is on you. You can't trip,

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Speaker 1: you can't afford to do it. And so I want

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Speaker 1: a guy who is good in that role. If I

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Speaker 1: get a guy who's good in that role, Dabos Wweny

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Speaker 1: is the name you mentioned, so I'll bring him up.

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Speaker 1: Dablos when he has had no problem hiring and keeping

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Speaker 1: elite coordinators Brent Venables. Is it Clemson right now? Dablos

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Speaker 1: Whenny doesn't need to be an offensive specialist. Dablos Wheney

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Speaker 1: has had guys like Tony Elliott there, he said, guy's

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Speaker 1: like Jeff Scott in the past. He don't need to

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Speaker 1: be an offensive specialist. He needs to be a football specialist.

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Speaker 1: He needs to be a leadership specialist. You give me

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Speaker 1: the culture guy. The culture guys will be able to

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Speaker 1: attract the coaching talent. I don't worry about that. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: what I do worry about is a guy who is

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Speaker 1: known as being a hot shot coordinator or being you know,

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Speaker 1: a hot shot play caller, but then you put him

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Speaker 1: in charge of running something and he has no clue

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Speaker 1: how to do it. That would concern me. So give

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Speaker 1: me the culture guys year ten times out of ten. Dude,

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Sean's question. This is a good one,

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Speaker 1: he said. This may be more for Steve Wilfong, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: here's my question. Are certain positions more difficult to accurately

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Speaker 1: scout and evaluate? For example, are there any positions that

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Speaker 1: have a higher rate of producing busts from their four

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Speaker 1: and five star status. I have a theory that star

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Speaker 1: ratings for quarterbacks are more hit and miss than other positions,

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Speaker 1: but that may just be anecdotal evidence, as Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: has had Christ and Kyle and Wimbush never live up

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Speaker 1: to the hype. Now I was just talking about this

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Speaker 1: with It may have been Wilfong actually the other day.

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Speaker 1: I think this has changed even in the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 1: So I think the answer to your question, Sean used

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Speaker 1: to be overwhelmingly quarterback would be the hardest to evaluate,

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Speaker 1: and especially everyone talks about the college to NFL jump.

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Speaker 1: We'll imagine being one of our scouts, being one of

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Speaker 1: our evaluators, and having to judge a guy coming from

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Speaker 1: high school to college, even if you played high level

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Speaker 1: football in high school, at which some of these guys don't.

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Speaker 1: So I think that in two thousand and two, in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six, in nineteen eighty four, this was such

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Speaker 1: an inexact science, and I'm not calling it exact today,

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Speaker 1: but I want you to think about what we have today.

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Speaker 1: We have a specialized sporting society for the better or

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Speaker 1: for the worse. And especially if you're if you're looking

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Speaker 1: for your kid to play quarterback down the road. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to fault you. I'm not going to fault

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Speaker 1: you whatever you do as a parent, because I'm not one,

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Speaker 1: so I'm not going to criticize parenting. But if you're

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Speaker 1: a parent and you got a kid who you legitimately

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Speaker 1: think can be a big time quarterback prospect, I don't

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Speaker 1: care if you're pulling him off the bowling team and

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Speaker 1: having him specialize at quarterback, especially if he wants to

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Speaker 1: do it. But here's what happens in ninth grade. I

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Speaker 1: mean I was looking at one of the charts for

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Speaker 1: the an opening event that's in Atlanta about a couple

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Speaker 1: of months from now. You got quarterbacks from the class

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four who are going to be at

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Speaker 1: that event. You know what they are right now? Freshmen?

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Speaker 1: They're freshmen, so they're fourteen years old, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.

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Speaker 1: You're in some cases having five years of eyeballs on

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Speaker 1: these kids and not watching their middle school film. You

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Speaker 1: could have access to that if you want, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know why you would, But even beyond having access

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Speaker 1: to their high school film, you're essentially getting them in

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Speaker 1: like twelve NFL combines for your purposes. You're bringing them

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Speaker 1: into a controlled environment where you set the matchups, you

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Speaker 1: dictate everything about the structure, and you get to watch

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Speaker 1: them do whichever drills you want. You get to watch

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Speaker 1: them make the throws you want. You get to put

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Speaker 1: them through any kind of mental task and tasks that

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Speaker 1: you want to. You get them one on one in

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Speaker 1: those what I call neck up evaluations where you see,

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Speaker 1: how do they shake your hand, do they look you

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Speaker 1: in the eyes? What are they doing when you tell

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Speaker 1: them lights out at nine thirty tonight? Do you have

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Speaker 1: trouble with any of them? Just all these little things

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Speaker 1: that you never would have been able to gauge about

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Speaker 1: a guy before. But I think just the camp reps

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Speaker 1: alone are invaluable. So whereas it was a total guess

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety six, now I don't know if you've

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Speaker 1: paid a whole lot of attention. I mean, Sean, I

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Speaker 1: know you mentioned some names here, but see, I never

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Speaker 1: I never expect to Gunner Kyle to be a superstar

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Speaker 1: Gunner Keele. I never expected Brandon Wimbush to be a superstar.

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Speaker 1: I expected them to be good, solid quarterbacks. And you

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Speaker 1: also got to take into account the system that they're

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Speaker 1: going into. I e. If I put Brandon Wimbush at

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma with Lincoln Riley, would he have had the exact

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Speaker 1: same stats? I don't know about that. So style has

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Speaker 1: a lot to do with it. Obviously, program you go

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Speaker 1: to has a lot to do with it. But Sean,

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Speaker 1: I think the quarterback position right now is as thoroughly

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Speaker 1: and well evaluated as it has been at any point

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Speaker 1: in the history of college football scouting. And it used

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Speaker 1: to be that the guys would always tell you running

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Speaker 1: backs the easiest to scout and evaluate. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: can tell pretty plainly who's going to translate from high

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Speaker 1: school to college, and if they don't, it won't be

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Speaker 1: because we missed on the physical eval It'll because they

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Speaker 1: had character concerns that ultimately you kept them from achieving

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Speaker 1: their maximum physical potential. And that's not something we can

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Speaker 1: put in a star rating. Well now, the quarterback position,

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Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of misses there anymore. It's

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Speaker 1: not one hundred percent, and a lot of times. Again,

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Speaker 1: like I just said, guys may go to the college

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Speaker 1: level and screw it up themselves with stuff off the

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Speaker 1: field that has nothing to do with what your evaluation

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Speaker 1: on them would have been. But from a pure player

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Speaker 1: evaluation and skill and talent standpoint, I don't think we're

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Speaker 1: missing very much anymore. And I listen in on those

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Speaker 1: calls and I hear how thorough and in depth this goes.

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Speaker 1: And in a lot of cases, by the time you know,

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Speaker 1: by the time we're evaluating Quinn Viewers, for example, who's

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Speaker 1: the number one quarterback in next year's class, he's already

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Speaker 1: committed to Ohio State. Big question among Texas fans can

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Speaker 1: we get him back? Can we get him back? Listen,

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Speaker 1: by the time Quinn Viewers plays at Ohio State, you

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Speaker 1: will have seen six years of him. Think about that.

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Speaker 1: By the time he's a freshman in college, our evaluators

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Speaker 1: will have watched him for five and six years, and

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Speaker 1: so they they've got everything they need our let's roll on.

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Speaker 1: Dylan here had one of those good old fashioned hypotheticals.

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Speaker 1: Is a Texas A and M win over bamam a

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Speaker 1: Penn State win over Ohio State and a North Carolina

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Speaker 1: win over Clemson, all in the same year, enough to

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Speaker 1: upend the college football playoff landscape. What I mean by

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Speaker 1: that is is three games enough to change not just

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Speaker 1: the season, but send ripple effects across the landscape in

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Speaker 1: ways we have no idea of guessing. Well, I certainly

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Speaker 1: suppose it would send ripple effects across the landscape if

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Speaker 1: you simultaneously knocked out the three big boys at the table.

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma would have a beef with that. But oh, you,

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Speaker 1: I guess it's the only They're the only perennial playoff

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Speaker 1: team left standing here. Maybe Georgia is in I guess

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Speaker 1: it's Georgia A and M or Florida A and M

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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. But so if Bama's knocked out, if Ohio

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Speaker 1: State's knocked out, if Clemson's knocked out, then yeah, that'd

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Speaker 1: be a really big deal, and a lot of you

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Speaker 1: would hold tick or Tate parades on street corners in

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Speaker 1: every town in America. I mean, I wouldn't blame you.

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Speaker 1: I understand what you guys are rooting for when you

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Speaker 1: say up in the college football playoff landscape, Dylan, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it would upend it in the sense that

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Speaker 1: it would change anything. I think that it would upend

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Speaker 1: it in a sense that you would have maybe some

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Speaker 1: top soil turned over and you got a chance for

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Speaker 1: some fresh blood to get their first crack at the playoff.

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Speaker 1: You certainly would have that, and maybe it would be

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Speaker 1: good for the sport. Maybe it would be you know,

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Speaker 1: neutral for the sport, but yeah, I think it would

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Speaker 1: be a really big deal. And listen, if this is

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Speaker 1: ever gonna happen, this is the year. This is your

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Speaker 1: best shot. Let me put it that way at having

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Speaker 1: it happen, because when you look at Ohio State, they're

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Speaker 1: still gonna be my favorite in the Big Ten, but

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Speaker 1: I mean they're replacing quarterback. Clemson gonna be my overwhelming

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Speaker 1: favorite in the ACC. They got a new quarterback. Bama

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Speaker 1: dittoh Sec. They got a new quarterback. And so there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of places where your perennial favorite has

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Speaker 1: got a lot of churn going on, and you got

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Speaker 1: to place conversely, like North Carolina where you're bringing Sam

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Speaker 1: Howell back, You're bringing a lot of pieces back. So

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Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe it's if you believe in miracles,

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Speaker 1: then you gotta believe in like Roger Angels in the outfield,

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Speaker 1: step up to the top step of the dugout and

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Speaker 1: just start waving those arms and wave them and wave them.

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Speaker 1: And then you gotta have Danny Glover come off from

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Speaker 1: screen left and say you got a angel, would you

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Speaker 1: right now? And he's going to help you. And to

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Speaker 1: help you, guys, it's not having mel Clark throw a

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Speaker 1: shutout in a playoff game. You're trying to look for

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Speaker 1: help in the form of parody in college football. And

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Speaker 1: so maybe this is the year it happens. But I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what we do have We got a really

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Speaker 1: good question here. I've been looking forward to this one.

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Speaker 1: So Shelley Shelley with an eye by the way, Shelley

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Speaker 1: is asking about one of my favorite movies of all time,

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Speaker 1: and it ties right into college football, and we are

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Speaker 1: diving in head first right after this Shelley with just

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Speaker 1: a heater up and in here at ninety eight miles

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Speaker 1: an hour, Shelley says, I just finished watching Almost Famous.

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Speaker 1: If you could take a trip with any college football coach,

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Speaker 1: very similar to William Miller's trip with Stillwater in the film,

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Speaker 1: who would it be first? Most of you have seen

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Speaker 1: the movie very briefully for those of you who haven't,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the greatest movies in the history

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Speaker 1: of American cinema. I don't know why I say American cinema.

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Speaker 1: I've never watched a French film in my life. So

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Speaker 1: let me just say, in the history of global cinema.

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Speaker 1: There you go. It's not a phrase before, it is

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Speaker 1: now in the history of global movie making. Almost Famous

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Speaker 1: is one of the best movies, point blank, in the

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Speaker 1: history of mankind. It is right up there with your Shaw,

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Speaker 1: Shanks and Jaws. Field of Dreams. I've told you it

642
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: is my favorite movie of all time, but it is

643
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: up there. Forrest Gump's a big one of mine. Former

644
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: all American and Alabama by the way, so roll tide

645
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Forrest Gump. I am a huge fan of Almost Famous.

646
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: And what happens. It's kind of loosely based on a

647
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: true story about the director's former life when he was

648
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: you know, he looks eleven years old, he's certainly not eighteen.

649
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: And it's back in the back in the seventies. And

650
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact story, but Cameron Crow directed

651
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: the movie and he goes on tour. You know, you

652
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: get sent out with Rolling Stone magazine to go on tour,

653
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: and he's just in the movie. It's a kid named

654
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: William Miller, and he is touring with a fictitious seventies

655
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: rock band called Stillwater. You know, they're supposed to be

656
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: right in line with like Zeppelin and the Eagles. They're

657
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: just one of the big seventies rock bands, but they're fictitious.

658
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: It's really good original music in that movie. By the way,

659
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 1: Nancy Wilson, wife of Cameron Crowe, did the score for

660
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: the movie. Can you till I've listened to a few

661
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: documentaries on this movie. So anyway, he just follows the

662
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: band around and he sees all these things that you

663
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: know would be eye opening for a forty year old man,

664
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Speaker 1: much less a fifteen or sixteen year old kid. And

665
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: so Shelley's asking, well, who you want to do that with.

666
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: Let's say you just have your little tape recorder and

667
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: your pen and paper and you're following a coach around.

668
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: How is this answer anything other than ed Orzeron? I

669
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: ask you who else hoops hoops stouts out there other

670
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: than Ed Orzeron? Because I think a lot of folks

671
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: will gravitate to Nick Saban, And maybe I'm a little

672
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: bit jaded because I just got done spending a lot

673
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: of time with Nick Saban this past week if I

674
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: which was a blast. By the way, if you didn't

675
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: already check out the interview with Nick Saban, go check

676
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: it out. It's on the YouTube channel. But listen. The

677
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: thing about it is what Shelley's asking is, it's not

678
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: who do you want to interview, it's who do you

679
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: want to tail? Who do you want to shadow? Who

680
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: do you want to follow around? And Nick Saban, you know,

681
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: he'll probably pull in at five am and pull out

682
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: at eight pm, you know, if he's got a shorter

683
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: work day, of course, And I know what he's doing

684
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: is my point. He's walking into that Mercedes in the

685
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: parking lot, and he's taking the same route home, and

686
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: he's eating the same thing for dinner, and he's playing

687
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: the same you know, board game with his wife before

688
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: he goes to bed, and then it's lights out at

689
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: the same time, and it's going to be rense and

690
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 1: repeat for the next three hundred and sixty of three

691
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five days. But where that oars are on,

692
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't even know if that guy's going home and

693
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: going to sleep at night. I don't know where I'm

694
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: ending up. I have no clue, and I feel like

695
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: each time about six pm when he walks out of

696
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: the LSU football complex down there, we're really rolling the

697
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: dice on life. I don't know where we're going to

698
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: end up. And it's kind of like you know in

699
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: the movie you end up over at a frat party

700
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: and the lead guitar player is up on top of

701
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: the roof yelling on drugs considerable amounts of acid. I'm

702
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: a golden god. How did William Miller know he was

703
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: going to be there four hours earlier? Well, I could

704
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: end up in a very similar situation with Ed ors Run.

705
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: I could be watching film. I could be out in

706
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: the swamp somewhere. I could be down the road in

707
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: New Orleans. I don't know where I'm going to be.

708
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: But the point is, I think it would be a

709
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: lot better documentary. It would be a lot better to

710
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: chronicle a night or several nights with Ed Orzron, and

711
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: it would be more interesting for the mass audience than

712
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: the more sedentary, sedimentary whatever the word is. They screwed

713
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: it up in the office. I screwed it up here

714
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: lifestyle that most head coaches live during the season. Close second,

715
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: I think this one may surprise you was Mack Brown,

716
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: because I think Mac Brown's probably living a pretty underrated

717
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: interesting life too. Mac Brown's got, you know he is.

718
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,719
Speaker 1: He's like your fun uncle and a drill sergeant all

719
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: at the same time. Mac Brown, I told one of

720
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: you on Twitter today, you may start your morning eating

721
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: at Cracker Barrel and then go cut a kid for

722
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: disciplinary reasons by noon, and then hop on a Booster's

723
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: private plane and fly to his cabin in the Smoky

724
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Mountains to eat dinner. You just never know what it's

725
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: going to be with mac Brown, but he lives that

726
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: sort of football lifer, backslapping with boosters kind of lifestyle

727
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: that would probably endear me to choose him. If edwors

728
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: Ron's not available, but it's Shelley, I gotta go with

729
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: Edworzron as the answer for this question. I would be

730
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: interested for those of you out there who disagree and

731
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: you got another idea, I would be very interested where

732
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: you're going on that one you get to. I think

733
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: in the movie he was with him for about two weeks,

734
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: so you're shadowing a coach for two weeks, and you're

735
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: telling me that you're picking someone other than Oorzeron. I

736
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: don't know who it's going to be. It better you

737
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: better come with something strong. If you're going with two

738
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: weeks shadowing someone who's not named Edward Orzeron, we probably

739
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: end up going to see Coco as mom. I mean,

740
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: it wouldn't that be great? It's good to see Coco

741
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: get some love finally from the national media last year.

742
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: Good question, though, Shelley, all right, let's roll on. I

743
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: did not get a name on this one. But I

744
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: do have the question, why are people so down on

745
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve relative to the Big twelve. If you

746
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: removed Oklahoma from the Big twelve, the rest of the

747
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: product would look basically the same, with maybe even more

748
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: parody in the PAC twelve. I acknowledge on the administrative

749
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: side of things, the PAC twelve has struggled. What are

750
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: your thoughts? Well, my thoughts are you can't remove Oklahoma,

751
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: that you can't have that. The fact of the matter

752
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: is whether it's fair or not. I think a lot

753
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: of people from the national perspective are gauging the strength

754
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: of a conference by the top. Do you have a

755
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: playoff contender. And the fact of the matter is Oklahoma

756
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: is that and has been that for several years now

757
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: in the Big twelve, and there has not been that

758
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: by and large in the PAC twelve. And it was

759
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: Washington when it did happen most recently, and that was

760
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen. So is USC there, No, they're not.

761
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: Is Oregon there? No, they haven't been. They've been good,

762
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: been a good, solid program, have not been a playoff contender.

763
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: And so I think that's the reason, because you are right.

764
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: I mean, if I were to take Oklahoma out of there,

765
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: then yeah, they'd be comparable. But you know, Oklahoma is there.

766
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: And so as far as that end of the argument

767
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: is concerned, that's that. The second part you put on

768
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: this question, I don't think can be ignored either. You said,

769
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: I acknowledge on the administrative side of things, the PAC

770
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: twelve has struggled. Well here's the problem. Yes, you're right,

771
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 1: but it hasn't been an internal struggle. It's been a

772
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: very public struggle, completely botching the TV deal. I mean,

773
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys who live in Saint

774
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Louis or Virginia b each or Tallahassee, Florida. I don't

775
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: know if you realize the true state of affairs. There

776
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: are a lot of people who live on the West

777
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Coast who cannot watch PAC twelve football games because they

778
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: don't have the PAC twelve network. Can you imagine living

779
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: in Boaz, Alabama, or Valdosta, Georgia and not being able

780
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: to watch the SEC network if you have paid for

781
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: normal cable or satellite packages, not being able to watch

782
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: the SEC network in Bosier City of Louisiana. That sounds

783
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: like you might as well be on Mars. But that's

784
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: the reality that a lot of people live on the

785
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: West coast, and so that's been publicized now. And Larry Scott,

786
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: even though his conference was a disaster, was the highest

787
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: paid conference commissioner in the country last year and laid

788
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: off all the PAC twelve network staff as executives got raises.

789
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: It was just every angle of mess that you could imagine.

790
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: I'm pulling for him, Make no mistake about it. I'm

791
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: pulling for him. I may be critical, but I'm only

792
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: critical when it's fair because I badly want a viable

793
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: West Coast product. I mean I badly want it because

794
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: it's it's not good for anyone in my line of

795
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: work when you've got an entire portion of the country

796
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: where the lights are flickering on and off. No, no,

797
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 1: we want a bright, white, hot spotlight on the West coast.

798
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: So I'm pulling for you, guys. I'm pulling for you guys.

799
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I can buy Oregon. I could

800
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: even be sold on USC, but I can't. It's very

801
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: hard for me to be sold on the conference overall.

802
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: And you either got to have good, solid conference strength

803
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: where you got several top twenty caliber programs, or you

804
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: better get an alpha on the block out there, whether

805
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: it's Oregon or US or anyone. I don't care who

806
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: it is. You better get a perennial playoff contender or else.

807
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: This question is going to remain the same or answer

808
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: the same at least every year. Eric is next. Eric says,

809
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: last year, you said, if it's not now, then when

810
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: for Dan Mullin at Florida when it came to beating Georgia.

811
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: Do you now feel that sentiment is the same with

812
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: Georgia when it comes to winning a national title this

813
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: upcoming season. No, I do not, And what Eric means

814
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: by this is I was doing the Florida Mood Tracker

815
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: going into the twenty twenties season. So last year, last season,

816
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 1: and I said, well, I was really just kind of

817
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: trying to echo the sentiment that I had heard from

818
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: a whole lot of Florida fans, and you guys were saying,

819
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: we've got the quarterback edge, and we've got at least

820
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: a comparable enough talent roster. We think we have an

821
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: edge on game day, we think we can out coach Georgia.

822
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: And so a lot of things have fallen in line

823
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: to where we've got the more favorable schedule. They got

824
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 1: to play Bama whereas we don't. Ended up not mattering

825
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: because LSU beat you, but you still beat Georgia, you

826
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: still won the East. And so my point was basically,

827
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: as Florida fans were saying, we better get it done

828
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: this year, because if we don't get it done this

829
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: year with all the stars aligned, when are we ever

830
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: going to get it done. Well, Eric's saying, okay, now

831
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: this year, isn't that the way I should look at

832
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: Georgia when it comes to winning a national title? No, Eric,

833
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: the answer is no. And the main reason I say

834
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: no is because what you have to have to compete

835
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: for a national title. You've got to have a lot

836
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: of things to go your way. But you can have

837
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: a lot of things go your way and go eight

838
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: and four. You got to have a lot of talent

839
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: and then have a lot of things go your way.

840
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: But talent is the starting point. George is gonna have

841
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: an insanely talented team every year, to varying degrees, but

842
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a very talented team every year, which

843
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: means every year they start in that relatively small group

844
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: of teams, whether it be four or whether it be fourteen,

845
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: they're always going to be in that group that's technically

846
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: capable of winning a national title at the beginning of

847
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: the year. And the way to look at this is

848
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: just you keep taking swings every year. You may think

849
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: of yourself as blindfolded if you've ever taken swings at

850
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: a pinata. We used to do it in middle school

851
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: all the time or elementary school. You just keep swinging,

852
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: and you've got to be in the room where the

853
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: pinata is to hit it. George is gonna be in

854
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: the room every year. You just keep swinging. This year,

855
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: they probably got a better shot than most years they've had,

856
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: but you know they'll have a shot next year, and

857
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: they'll have a shot the year after that. This is

858
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: not a situation where maybe you look at Iowa State

859
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: and Iowa State it's got all these players coming back

860
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: and you're thinking to yourself, if they're ever gonna win,

861
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: if they're ever gonna go to the playoff at Iowa State,

862
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: it's got to be this year, because that's the reality.

863
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: At a program like i Will State, you would have

864
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: to build and build and build and build, hopefully towards

865
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: that one year. Eric, I don't think that's the case

866
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: at Georgia. I mean, they may have their best shot

867
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 1: ever this year, but if they don't get it done

868
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: this year, you know what price they're gonna pay. They're

869
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: gonna start the season in the top ten next year

870
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have probably the best roster in the East.

871
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 1: They're gonna be the favorite in the SEC East, and

872
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: they'll probably end up competing for a shot to go

873
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: to Atlanta and play in the SEC title game again.

874
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: And so Georgia is gonna be there every year. No,

875
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: I do not feel that that's the case at all

876
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: with Georgia. Let's get a final question from Isaac here.

877
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: Isaac says, why is viewership for college football struggling, especially

878
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: the national title game? And is it a problem that

879
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: we as college football fans should be worried about for

880
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: the health of the sport. Isaac, I'm gonna say something here.

881
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to you now, I'm just speaking in general.

882
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I have never walked into the kitchen at a five

883
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: star restaurant and started instructing the chef on how he

884
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: needs to prepare his food. And the reason is because

885
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 1: I have no clue how to cook, especially when compared

886
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: to a five star chef. So I'm just gonna go

887
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: to his restaurant. I'm gonna sit there and I'm gonna

888
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: eat whatever he brings out. Well, honestly, he's not gonna

889
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: bring me anything. He's gonna ask what are you doing

890
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: in a five star restaurant. I'm gonna say too see,

891
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna go down the street to like

892
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: Sizzler or something like that. However, it does just pretend

893
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: like I am the kind that hangs out in five

894
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: star restaurants. I'd never go in the kitchen to school

895
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: the guy he has forgotten more about cooking than I'll

896
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: know in ten lifetimes. I just want to I just

897
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: want to warn you there are a lot of folks

898
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: who tell you about metrics and viewership numbers and ratings

899
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: that have not the slightest clue what they're talking about.

900
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: The way that these numbers are garnered in today's media,

901
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: today's fragmented digital media landscape, it is so ridiculously different

902
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: than it was fifteen twenty years ago. Twenty thirty years ago.

903
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a Nielsen diary world, and it's

904
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 1: the most inexact science in the history of the world.

905
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that tell division companies use Nielsen ratings

906
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: to generate advertising price points. It just blows my mind.

907
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: But and if those of you out there who don't

908
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 1: know what that is, maybe some of you have gotten

909
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: a diary in the mail. Nielsen is literally a company

910
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: that sends a diary to you in the mail, and

911
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 1: I think they pay you a little bit of money.

912
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: It's always been illegal. If we get them in the mail,

913
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: we can't use them. We can't fill out the diary

914
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: and send it back in not everyone has always adhere

915
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: to that, especially in the local radio industry. But I digress.

916
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: Statute to limitations and whatnot. So you fill out the

917
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: diary and what you're supposed to be doing is you're

918
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: supposed to be writing what you've watched every night, and

919
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: then over the course of the ratings period, you finish

920
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: filling it out and then you send it back into Nielsen.

921
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: Where's the problem. So I learned just the intricacies of

922
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: how this works. I'll give you an example. I worked

923
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: for the number three station in the number one hundred

924
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: and twenty four market in the country in Columbus, Georgia,

925
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Channel nine WTVM News Leader nine and then to a

926
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: lesser degree, WRBL Channel three. Those were the established mainstays

927
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: in that market for decades and decades my whole lifetime,

928
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: and then WLTZ was only a recent addition. It had

929
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 1: been there less than ten years when I was there.

930
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: Here's what had happened. Not only would we get beaten

931
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: in ratings just more people were watching the established channels,

932
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: but we would find that sometimes people would even watch

933
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,919
Speaker 1: our product, but they had had WTVM Channel nine News

934
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: Leader nine on your side. They had had it ingrained

935
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: in their mind so long. They'd right WTVM in the

936
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: ratings book, even if they had watched US. So that's

937
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: how inexact it used to be. Well, then digital metered

938
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: markets come along, where they're actually reading from your box

939
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: via programs like rentrack, for example, what you're actually watching.

940
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: But every market's not a metered market, so think about that.

941
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: That's when everyone's watching TV. Now. I want you to

942
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: imagine trying to measure how many people are watching a

943
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: broadcast when thirty percent of them are not watching a

944
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: traditional over the AIRTV anymore or over the top, and

945
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: then imagine when that number goes to fifty percent and

946
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: they're watching it on phones and tablets and devices. And

947
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: then I want you to imagine there's a pandemic. And

948
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: then I want you to imagine there's an election. And

949
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: then I want you to imagine we play a season.

950
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: What comparative analysis can you do? Not you Isaac again,

951
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: but to anyone in the room, I don't care if

952
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: you've had fifty years in this business, can you Honestly,

953
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: I've had these conversations, So this is rhetorical. Right now,

954
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: I can tell you no one has any comparative analysis

955
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: for this election. Seasons suck for sports, pandemic, You've only

956
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: had one of them. Obviously that sucked for sports. But

957
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: I always know what's coming in an election season. I

958
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: don't care how contentious it is. I don't think we'll

959
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: ever have another non contentious election season again, which sucks

960
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: for us in general and for us in the sports

961
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: media world. Here's what I want to do. What I

962
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: want to do is I want things to return to

963
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: normal in twenty twenty one, and I want us to

964
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: have pack stadiums and not an election insight this fall,

965
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 1: and I want to see things play out and then

966
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: let's look at those numbers, and if those numbers are

967
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: identify this year's numbers across all platforms, then we can

968
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: start talking about the health of the sport. But I

969
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: think a lot here's what I think, Isaac, to be

970
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: honest with you, I think a lot of people have

971
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: had an agenda that they want to push, as we

972
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: all do from time to time, and there were a

973
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: lot of low hanging fruit, anecdotal type examples to back

974
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 1: it up this year. And so you had to blow

975
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: out in a pandemic ridden national championship game that delivered

976
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: a very subpar national title rating, and everyone said, look,

977
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: there's my evidence. Well that's not evidence. That's not any

978
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: more evidence than me knowing it's going to snow next

979
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: Thursday because it's going to be twenty nine degrees for

980
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,879
Speaker 1: the high Well, it can be cold and be bright

981
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: and sunny. So I need more, in other words, than

982
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: just the very very limited sample size that we just

983
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: got this year. So Isaac, my answer to you is no,

984
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: don't be worried about the long term health of the sport.

985
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: But if you are worried, Isaac, then here's what I

986
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: would I would suggest we all do this. I did

987
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: a podcast today and we got into this the nucleus

988
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: of this sport. As long as the nucleus and the

989
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 1: focus of college football remains on the regular season instead

990
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: of making the nucleus and the focus of the sport

991
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: the playoff, college football will be fine right now. And

992
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: I'm only going to broach this. I may go into

993
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: it a little bit deeper later on. Right now, this

994
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: is not a shot at any network. They're probably doing

995
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 1: the same thing I'd do if I ran the company.

996
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: But right now, you've got an entity in ESPN that

997
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: bought the college football playoff contract a while back, and

998
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: they paid over a billion dollars for it. They paid

999
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: a lot of money for it, and so they are

1000
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: the hub. Whether you like it or not, they are

1001
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 1: the central hub of college football. Every college football fan

1002
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: has to someway or another go through ESPN. You may

1003
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: claim you don't watch them. I can guarantee when games

1004
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: are on ESPN you're at least watching the games, and

1005
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: some of you may watch their studio coverage. I don't

1006
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: have time to watch anything, but I know a lot

1007
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: of you have different viewership patterns than me. When the

1008
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: centralized hub of college football bought the college football Playoff contract,

1009
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: it ensured that the entire marketing machine for that entity,

1010
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: and the entity being ESPN, was going to refocus its

1011
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: attention from promoting college football to promoting the college football Playoff.

1012
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: And the problem is, in a lot of the American

1013
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: college football subconscious, the nucleus of college football was then

1014
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: taken and shifted from regular season to playoff. You're watching

1015
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 1: Toledo versus Kent State on a Tuesday night in early October.

1016
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: They're talking about the playoff. You're watching a schedule reveal

1017
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: show in January. They're talking about the playoff. You're watching

1018
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: spring practice. They're talking about the playoff. That's the way

1019
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be. And so Isaac, you got to

1020
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: decide one of two things. Man and Isaac, I'm using

1021
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: you as an example of coming a microcosm of everyone listening.

1022
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: We got to do one of two things. Either you

1023
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: can just buy that and then you can take all

1024
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: the problems that come along with making the entire college

1025
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: football world revolve around the playoff. Or you can push

1026
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: back against that notion and you can remember why you

1027
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: love the sport so much, the urgency and the uniqueness

1028
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: of the regular season, the tradition, the pageantry that is

1029
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: unique onto any other sport, both in America and globally,

1030
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: and you can put the premium on that. And if

1031
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: you do that, I can assure you any given year,

1032
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: don't matter who's going to win the title, college football

1033
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: is healthy if the nucleus of the sport remains intact,

1034
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: and that nucleus is the regular season. And that's the

1035
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: bottom line, called stone Cold said. So, all right, good

1036
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: podcast this morning. We're gonna solid forty eight minutes. Nice Jordan,

1037
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,680
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1038
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,440
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1039
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1040
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,719
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1041
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,080
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1050
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Speaker 1: the twenty four sports YouTube channel. There are changes coming.

1051
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: I know I mentioned the merchandising change, but there are

1052
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 1: changes coming to the show you. Some of them are

1053
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Speaker 1: starting this week. If everything goes right, you will not

1054
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Speaker 1: notice those changes. But there are some monumental changes coming

1055
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Speaker 1: to the show later this year. They're all going to

1056
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Speaker 1: be good, obviously, at least if I have anything to

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Speaker 1: summer thing. So got a lot of changes, got it?

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Speaker 1: forward to all that. Thank you so much for listening

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Speaker 1: this morning. For producer Jordan, I'm Josh pet Have a

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Speaker 1: great rest of your day and God bless