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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio Zeron.

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Speaker 2: No, Yes, listen, listen to her.

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Speaker 3: Sorry I was napping, Go ahead, you know it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank god, I had a dream about it. I

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Speaker 3: want to tell you about it. Scientists, they got jokes, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, did you know there's a spider called

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Speaker 3: dracu Loitus bram Stokery. Yeah, there's a name after anyway.

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Speaker 3: There's also Roland Skiata mile Planna, obviously named for Henry Rowlins,

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Speaker 3: what famed front man of Black Flag and Rowlins man

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Speaker 3: veritable hardcore punk legend. He has a fireworm named after him.

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Speaker 2: A fireworm fireworm told you Henry Roland story?

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Speaker 3: No, it was it short?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I ran into him at a shoe store.

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Speaker 2: I patted him on top of the head because he's

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Speaker 2: a little short.

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Speaker 3: You love doing that to short celebrities.

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Speaker 2: The only one I've done it too.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I thought you also did the iced

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Speaker 3: tea was short. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I didn't point it out to him.

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Speaker 3: On the head, like, really, you really pad him?

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Speaker 2: Look at you? And then I was not a nice

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Speaker 2: person back in the day.

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Speaker 3: I hope you never run to a Glenn Danzig you

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Speaker 3: might break his heart. Now I got one more for you, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I found dickro tentipees thanogratis. Okay, all right now, dicro

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Speaker 3: Tendippy's gratis. Maybe saying that wrong. In Greek, thanatosis, you know,

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Speaker 3: is the word for the state of death, okay, And

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Speaker 3: gratusis is basically the Latin for grateful, which means there

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Speaker 3: is a mixed Latin and Greek blood worm with a

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Speaker 3: name that literally means the grateful dead.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so we got a blood worm and a fire.

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Speaker 2: Big apologies to Henry Rollins, by the way, big fan.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't in my right mind.

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Speaker 3: You know all that was ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: It was so ridiculous. I love that those are cute.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: No, That's why I came here.

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Speaker 2: Never stop escapings eron, never got it. This is ridiculous Crime,

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Speaker 2: A podcast about absurd and outrageous caper's heis and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Damn right.

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Speaker 2: You and I have similar tastes in lots of things.

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Speaker 3: You and I t why.

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Speaker 2: I even want to sing the rest You're about to

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Speaker 2: kick me off and do it. Okay, but that's funn

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Speaker 2: you should say that music especially, Yeah, and like you know,

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Speaker 2: we like pretty much every genre. Yes, we have a

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Speaker 2: lot of similar artists that we like.

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Speaker 3: A lot of overlap, and.

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Speaker 2: There's some overlap in TV and movies. Yes, but you

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Speaker 2: and I like different storytelling.

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Speaker 3: Styles, very different stories.

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Speaker 2: You like action and structure. I like quiet things and absurdity.

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Speaker 3: It may not have an end.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, here's some examples. Like we both like. I can say, like, oh, brother,

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Speaker 2: we're art that. Yeah, I love that. And we both

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Speaker 2: like the funny hammer Guy movies. For movies, movies, here's

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Speaker 2: where we part ways. One of my favorite movies is

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Speaker 2: The Last Black Man in San Francisco. Yes, I think

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Speaker 2: it's one of the most beautiful movies I've seen, Like

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Speaker 3: Shot, totally a lot of beautiful scene.

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Speaker 2: Shot could be a piece of art. I enjoyed the story.

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Speaker 3: There's a sord like that.

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Speaker 2: I enjoy the energy of it, the ceiling.

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Speaker 3: I do, the aesthetic, the love. I liked the end.

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Speaker 3: There was an ending. You call that an ending?

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Speaker 2: You had feelings about this movie?

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Speaker 3: There was no ending. The movie just like basically just

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Speaker 3: you're supposed to walk out of the theater and like,

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Speaker 3: could you please take some popcorn with you?

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Speaker 2: I live for uncertainty, like I live in the gray areas.

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Speaker 3: Sure, in the middle of a movie.

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Speaker 2: I like contradiction, we contain multitudes.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you, but like it didn't feel like a

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Speaker 3: going you want yea. I understand that, you know, any

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Speaker 3: story could have any beginning. It's where you drop the needle.

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Speaker 3: I totally get that, but there is a point about

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Speaker 2: So I guess that's cool with that. You were not.

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Speaker 3: No, I did not like that's the record going.

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Speaker 2: Another film that we didn't agree on was the Robert

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Speaker 2: Redford movie The Old Man and the Gun. Yes, it's

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Speaker 2: got an all star lineup, got Robert Redford, Casey Affleck,

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Speaker 2: Danny Glover who was also in Last Black Man, Tom Waite,

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Speaker 2: Sissy space. We saw this movie.

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Speaker 3: Together, that's true.

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Speaker 2: You maybe you fell asleep.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you may see it.

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Speaker 2: As we were walking out, I said, I liked how

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Speaker 3: That's what I said.

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Speaker 2: I'm so Redford retired after making that movie.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the plot of the movie.

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Speaker 3: What's again? I asked? Was there a plot? I remember?

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Speaker 3: There was an old it's about it.

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Speaker 2: It's about a career bank robber who's like in his seventies,

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Speaker 2: escapes from prison, picks up a foxy, age appropriate total lady,

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Speaker 3: That was fun. The beginning of the Miss Sun dappled

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're going to hate the movie so much more

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Speaker 2: about a real life robber guy Forrest Woody Tucker. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And as I'm reading about him, I'm reading about his

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Speaker 2: The Old Man and the Gun was that movie, and

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Speaker 2: I liked the movie a lot less see thank you

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Speaker 2: one big missed opportunity. There you go, And it wasn't

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Speaker 2: the movie for Forrest Tucker and Jonathan Major's has tainted

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Speaker 2: my love for the Last Black Man in San Francisco.

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Speaker 2: So my favorites are all evaporating. Yeah, look at you,

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Speaker 2: but don't tell me anything about the Paris Dispatch or

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Speaker 3: I think you're gonna be good there.

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Speaker 2: I hope. So so let's talk about mister.

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Speaker 3: Tucker, please, And I'd love to hear this dude story.

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Speaker 2: Apparently casting Robert Redford, you know, Hoba Hoba, by the way,

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Speaker 3: Old, eight year old, you still still got you climb

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't too far off the casting because like

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Speaker 2: Tucker apparently had these really gorgeous blue eyes, but he

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Speaker 3: Okay, Tucker, No.

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Speaker 2: He was what Bruce brings. You say, you're not a looker,

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Speaker 3: All right, Okay, that is the boss.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk. Let's uh anyway. He's born nineteen

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Speaker 3: Operator, so he was building Miami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but he dipped out on the family when Forrest

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Speaker 2: And then he taught himself how to play the saxophone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing, Like right, that's enough, right.

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Speaker 2: So when he was fifteen, he got caught stealing a

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Speaker 3: What were the future plans, Elizabeth?

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Speaker 2: It's like very Viet con and so they're just likely

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Speaker 3: So they're out there like making basically making all those

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Speaker 2: Making rocks. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He did six months of that, and then he's released

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Speaker 2: This guy, Morris has no hope, I mean none none.

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Speaker 2: His childhood friend of his, Morris Walton, said, quote, My

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Speaker 3: So the conditions of his life Tucker just said quick

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he still loved music. It was his passion,

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Speaker 3: He could have been the next Bick spider Beck.

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Speaker 3: Sure, crime crime it up.

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Speaker 2: So September twenty second, nineteen fifty, he's thirty years old,

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Speaker 3: Oh the same bank, same bank. It's like, I like

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Speaker 2: And then he gets busted a few blocks away trying

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Speaker 2: Okay, raccoons are peeking out. Back to the slammer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, back he goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's unfazed. This is what he said. Quote, it

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Speaker 3: So now he's got an identity. I like that for him.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I am in a.

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Speaker 2: right before Christmas, he said he was in terrible pain

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Speaker 2: the hospital have his appendix. Yeah, and they chained him

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Speaker 2: to the bed while he recovered. But this is Forest Tucker.

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Speaker 2: He didn't just teach himself to play clarinet. He taught

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: So a paper clip, some shuffling, and soon he's free.

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Speaker 2: The hospital and he took off like way off, like

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He it was there that he went on a spree

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Speaker 2: California banks wearing these like crazy loud suits, like checkered suits,

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Speaker 2: and he would like jump up on the counter and

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Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.

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Speaker 2: His getaway was like this souped up fifties hot rod

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Speaker 3: Yeah, running down the side.

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Speaker 2: Yeh.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love this guy.

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Speaker 2: You know, eventually, of course he's caught.

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Speaker 3: Dude, Matthew McConaughey should play him.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, it would be so much better.

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Speaker 2: Two years after the hospital escape, he gets caught by

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Speaker 2: the FBI and he'd gone to pick up like all

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Speaker 2: the stuff that he had inside the safe deposit box

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Speaker 2: in San Francisco. The cops go down the peninsula that's

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Speaker 2: do you know Forrest Tucker. She's like no, Like, well,

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Speaker 2: we're very rich, and he commutes daily into San Francisco,

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Speaker 3: That's how you do.

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Speaker 3: Every free martini, give me your secretary. So you got

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Speaker 2: He told the Feds that they had just moved into

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Speaker 2: and they're like, this guy is a bank robber and

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Speaker 3: My boy calls him daddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, quote, I can't believe it. He was

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Speaker 2: to become of our little baby? What's his name going

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Speaker 2: to be? He's not even Rick j. Because like in

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Speaker 2: a singles event in Oakland. They got married. Shirley was

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Speaker 2: how he said, quote, we loved each other. I didn't

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Speaker 2: This is what his son, Bellew Junior said, who kept

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Speaker 3: Really? The made up name, well, your name is. All

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Speaker 2: It's ultimately ultimately quote, I thought he died in an

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Speaker 2: automobile accident. That's what my mom told me to protect me.

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Speaker 2: My mom was afraid he'd come up to me on

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Speaker 2: world apart. She never remarried. There was a song she

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Speaker 2: used to sing to me, called Me in My Shadow,

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Speaker 2: all about being alone and blue, and when she had

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Speaker 2: bittersweet it was. It was her life. I hear with

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Speaker 2: tears of breaking. Yes, but like, can you see the

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Speaker 2: scene in the movie.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I can.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem as I'm looking at this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like it's terrible. Yeah. So Bellow Junior.

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Speaker 3: And that's the song I know, Me and my okay exactly,

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So the son and Tucker they write to each other

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Speaker 2: during one of Tucker's stints inside. In one of Tucker's

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Speaker 2: letters to Bellow Junior, he said, quote, I'm sorry things

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Speaker 2: take you fishing, or to baseball games, or to see

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Speaker 2: you grow up. I don't ask you to forgive me,

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Speaker 2: as there's too much lost, but just so you know,

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Speaker 2: I wish you the best always your dad Forrest. So

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Speaker 2: it's like he, you know, he realizes what he you

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Speaker 2: KNOWA deprived this boy of not what he missed out on,

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Speaker 3: I think it's both. Yeah, I mean I think he's

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Speaker 3: basically saying, like, I missed out being your father. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So September third, nineteen fifty three, at the

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Speaker 2: of penitentiaries. He gets sent to Alcatraz, the rock thirty

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Speaker 3: Did he join the Bama Capone? He's like, I'll sit

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Speaker 2: So it's supposed to be a skateproof.

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Speaker 3: Sure, but this is Forest Tucker and we all know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So here's Tucker quote. Let me tell you about Alcatraz.

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Speaker 2: There were only fifteen hundred and seventy six people who

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Speaker 3: I could not imagine I would have died if they

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Speaker 2: It's like he's there for a couple of weeks. Sureley

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Speaker 2: We had to look at each other through a piece

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Speaker 2: I told her, I won't bother you no matter what,

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Speaker 2: a notice that the marriage has been annulled. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a break, we come back. We're going to head on

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Speaker 2: back to.

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Speaker 3: The rock because I'm shivering.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Elizabeth, Sarah Elizabeth, welcome. Hi. Okay. So when we

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Speaker 2: from every other place he'd been sent, but the Rock

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be escape proof. Tucker had other ideas, obviously.

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Speaker 2: He and another inmate, a fellow bank robber, and like

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Speaker 2: a good escaper man, Teddy Green, he started plotting their

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Speaker 2: escape Teddy Green, who becomes like a lifelong friend of his,

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Speaker 2: Oh Danny Glover in the movie. So anyway, Teddy Green Green,

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Speaker 2: he once scooted by the fuzz by dressing as a priest.

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Speaker 2: Another time he escaped from prison by shipping himself out

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Speaker 2: in a b full of rags. It's a clever lad.

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Speaker 3: He's a man of the cloth.

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Speaker 2: So on Alcatraz, Tucker and Green they had prison jobs

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Speaker 2: that gave them access to tools, and they smuggled said

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Speaker 2: and they also they planted steel wool on other prisoners

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Speaker 2: to set off metal detectors, which I didn't even know

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Speaker 2: they had the metal detectors. So every night, the two

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Speaker 2: Like we can't use them anymore because they're not finding anything.

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00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,880
Speaker 2: Every night they work on this tunnel that they started

441
00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 2: that led to the basement and they wanted to slip

442
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 2: out into the freezing waters of the San Francisco Bay.

443
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,679
Speaker 3: So their tunnel was going to go down to the

444
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 3: water and they're just going to slide into the potentially.

445
00:20:51,960 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. So an inmate in solitary ratted them out before

446
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 2: he got tossed in. So he told the guards to

447
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 2: search all the cell toilets, and this netted a bunch

448
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: of tools, a bar spreader, a pair of sidecutters, a brace,

449
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 2: a screwdriver, some pieces of wire, a sharpening stone, and

450
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 2: a ding dang blowtorch to Aaron.

451
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 3: And a picture of Betty Grave.

452
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: Yes, so Tucker and Green they got labeled quote very

453
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 2: dangerous escape risks and sent to the treatment unit aka

454
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 2: the hole. This is how Tucker described it, quote I

455
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 2: remember walking in with no clothes or shoes on the

456
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: steel floor was so cold it hurt to touch it.

457
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 2: The only way to stay warm was to keep walking.

458
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: A steel floor. Oh he refrigerator right on the bay.

459
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:50,120
Speaker 2: It's freezing.

460
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 3: And do they have a bed?

461
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

462
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound like.

463
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't sound like it. So here's a place where

464
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 2: the movie dropped the ball. I don't remember this scene

465
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 2: being in here that I'm going to tell you about. Sure,

466
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 2: it's super cinematic. One night, Tucker hears a sound through

467
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: the window while he's in the hole and he couldn't

468
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 2: see anyone outside, but he realizes it's the sound of

469
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 2: the guard's children singing Christmas carols. And this is what

470
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 2: he said, quote, it was the first children's voices I

471
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 2: had heard in years. It was Christmas Eve. Come on, man,

472
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: you're not going to put that in like seriously.

473
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: And also, can I question something here that the guards

474
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: did they have their families on the island. I always

475
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 3: assume they took the boats back to their families who

476
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 3: lived in the city. Or do you think the families

477
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: were like that and they came out to sing Christmas party,

478
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 3: party and they bring out or.

479
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and they you know, do all that kind

480
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: of stuff.

481
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 3: That is a very cinematic moment.

482
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 2: Right. So Tucker, he's stuck on the rock. He teaches

483
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: himself the law. He sent in appeals which were just

484
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: like perpetually dismissed, as you know, flights of fancy. He

485
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 2: got a hearing though in November of nineteen fifty six,

486
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 2: and the night before the court appearance, you know, send

487
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 2: you out to the courthouse. They actually took him down

488
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: to La He complained of kidney pain and they sent

489
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 2: him to La General Hospital. He he broke a pencil

490
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 2: and stabbed himself in the ankle when no one was

491
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: paying attention, and so like he's got shackles on his

492
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: wrists and his ankles, and so guard comes by and

493
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: he points down. He's like, I'm bleeding. This thing's cutting

494
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,119
Speaker 2: into me. You got to take this thing off. And

495
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: so the guard takes off the leg irons, but Tucker

496
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: still handcuffed to the gurney. But you know Tucker, and

497
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 2: so he's getting wheeled into the X ray room. He

498
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: slips his cuffs, overpowers two guards and then bolts to

499
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: the door.

500
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 3: Do you think he paper clipped it again?

501
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: I think so. And they caught him not too much later.

502
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: He was still in his hospital gown. He was hiding

503
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: in a cornfield.

504
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: Man.

505
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: That's back in the day when they were still like

506
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 2: cornfields to Los Angeles.

507
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 3: And Jason did like almost downtown practice Elliott County.

508
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he gets tried, convicted, sent back to Alcatraz.

509
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: Alcatraz gets closed March twenty first, nineteen sixty three, and

510
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: he got transferred over the Bay of San Quentin. Now

511
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 2: San Quentin at the time was known as the Gladiator School.

512
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 2: It was a rough, rough place.

513
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: It was the original Chino yeah, or.

514
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 2: Corcoran or like yeah, Pelican Bank. It's evolved over the years.

515
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: Now it's like a hub of you know, education and.

516
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: Reform stuff and actually a house for reform.

517
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have a lot of amenities for the inmates.

518
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: Back in those days, though, like we're talking on this point, sixties, seventies,

519
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 2: very eighties, it was wild, absolutely rough, And so for

520
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: whatever reason he's able to get another prison job there.

521
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I wouldn't let the sky around, any tool,

522
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 2: any gadget, you know, sit in the library. You're not

523
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: getting a job. So that's just me. So he teams

524
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: up with two other jailbers.

525
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: A hard one.

526
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: I am John Waller and William McGirk.

527
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: Oh great name, I know mcgart So that tree.

528
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 2: The three of them, they ferreted away wood scraps and

529
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: like for mica sheets and then hid them under tarps,

530
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 2: and they lifted two six foot poles and buckets, tape

531
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 2: hat plastic dust covers, and they stored it all in

532
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: boxes labeled office supplies.

533
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: No one ever looks at those, No, that's a good cause.

534
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: August ninth, nineteen seventy nine. So remember he's fifty nine now.

535
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: He gave Waller and McGirk the signal. And remember how

536
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: when he was a little boy he built boats from scraps. Yeah,

537
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 2: well the skill never left him.

538
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm getting this.

539
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: So he built a fourteen foot kayak out of all

540
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 2: the pieces of wooden and formica.

541
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 3: And he did have a fourteen boat sitting somewhere.

542
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: This is when he said, quote a hammer was too loud,

543
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: so I had to use only tape and bolts.

544
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: Damn.

545
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he called it. He christened the boat and he

546
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 2: called it the rub a Dub Dub. And he only

547
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 2: had enough. Yeah, he only had enough paint for one

548
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 2: side of the boat, so he painted the side that

549
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: would be facing the guard towers.

550
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: See you know me, I would paint the bottom of

551
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: the boat because I'd want the waterproofing. That's just me.

552
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: Well then you know he also painted on the side

553
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: the Marine Yacht Club logo. Well, he'd seen boats going by,

554
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: like apparently like you used to be able to look

555
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: at like the views from San Quentin are jaw dropping,

556
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: just stunning. You're right kind of adjacent to like Tiberon

557
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: where houses are in the multi multimillions. Because of these

558
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 2: views and they've blocked it so that you can't go

559
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: and look out there anymore standing.

560
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 3: I've never been to Alcatraz Alcatraz, Yeah, I've never been

561
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 3: to either one of them. I've never been Valkatraz. I've

562
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 3: never been to Quentin either.

563
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: We've talked about I have. I want to do a show.

564
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 3: About Alcatraz, and I think we should.

565
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: But I've actually been in San I've not did either. Yeah,

566
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 2: So this one so he at the time they could

567
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: see all these boats. He sees the Marina club logo,

568
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: paints it on the side of his car, ironically, do

569
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: a little time and sussle. So the three dudes they

570
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 2: get out on the water and it's like a lot

571
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: rougher than Yeah, crazy, super choppy. They're like twenty mile

572
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: an hour winds.

573
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 3: I'm a calm mis day.

574
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: It's jo So there's some swells. This is what Waller said.

575
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: Quote the boat didn't leak a drop. We could have

576
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: paddled to Australia. It was those damn waves over the side.

577
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: And we finally reached the edge of the property at

578
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: q meaning said Quentin the son of a sake. So

579
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: a tower guard looks out, sees them hanging on to

580
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: this upside down kayak like kicking and paddling towards the shore,

581
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: and the guards called out like you fellas need help

582
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: because they think they're with the yacht club. Oh go,

583
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, we're fine. And then McGirk like

584
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 2: he holds his wrist up and he shouts, we just

585
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: lost a couple of oars. But my time Ax is

586
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: still running. Cards are just cracking up. They love this.

587
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: They're like so chummy. And so the trio they get

588
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: to the shore and then they're on their way to freedom.

589
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: Off they go, I love it. So of course there's

590
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: like a statewide man hunt. Well come on, let them go, right,

591
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: But like tech, well they're too smart to stick around, right,

592
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: So this time, the three of them they take off

593
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 2: and at around the same time Oklahoma and Texas three

594
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: quote old men as have the witness statements say, start

595
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: robbing banks all over Oklahoma and Texas. One is even

596
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 2: wearing a hearing aid. And so the authorities they compared

597
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: them to the aged criminals in the movie Going in Style.

598
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah.

599
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: So the press start calling them the over the Hill gang.

600
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: And in the movie, you know that old man and

601
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: the gun. That's like Danny Glover, Tom Waits. They kind

602
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: of blend Danny Glover into a bunch of people. So Tucker,

603
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: in later interviews said he was only improving with age

604
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 2: and that he'd really mastered his craft by the time

605
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: he hit six and like he could talk right.

606
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: So this is You've been out of the game for

607
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: ten years, but I got right back in it.

608
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. He gave an interview from prison at the age

609
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: of seventy nine and provided a bank robbing tutorial. So this

610
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: is what he said. Quote. First of all, you want

611
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 2: a place near the highway, then you need to case it.

612
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: You can't just storm in. You need to size it up. No,

613
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: a like your own home. In the old days, the

614
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: stick up men were like cowboys. They would just go

615
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: in shoot and yelling for everybody to lie down. But

616
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: to me, violence is the first sign of an amateur.

617
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: Love that one.

618
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: That's good.

619
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: There's an art to robbing a bank if you do

620
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,239
Speaker 2: it right. Okay, the tools you can wear gloves, but

621
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: in warmer climates they only draw attention. And then he

622
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 2: went on to talk about how nail polisher super glue

623
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: was better at covering your finger takes Yes, he said

624
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: you needed a glass cutter, a holster, and a gun

625
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: just as a prop and a canvas bag quote big

626
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: enough for the dough. And then there's his trademark, the

627
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: hearing aid. Right, it wasn't a hearing aid. It was

628
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: an ear piece linked to police scanner that he had

629
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: wired into his shirt. And then that way he'd know

630
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: when the silent alarm was triggered. That's brilliant genius, especially

631
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: because he's just an old man with a hearing aid. Yeah,

632
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: this is what he said. Quote. Once you've got your

633
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: cool car park nearby, you've got your radio, your hands

634
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: are covered with gloves or super glue. You walk in,

635
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: go right up to the manager. Say sit down, Never

636
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 2: pull the gun, just flash it. Tell him calmly, you're

637
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 2: here to rob the bank, and it better go off

638
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: without a hitch. Don't run from the bank unless you're

639
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 2: being shot at, because it only shows that something's going on.

640
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: Just walk to the hot car, real calm, Then drive

641
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: to the cool car, rev it up, and you're gone.

642
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: I've just given you a manual on how to rob

643
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: a bank. No one can teach you the craft. You

644
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: can only learn by doing.

645
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: Guess what I'm doing this weekend Elizabeth.

646
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: So there's this guy, John Hunt. He's the Austin police

647
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: sergeant who was like Hunting No, right Over the Hill Gang,

648
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: he said, quote, they were the most professional, successful robbers

649
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: that I ever encountered in all my years on the force.

650
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: They had more experience in robbery than we had catching them.

651
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: They'd get up every day and beyond the job. Just

652
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: as a welder gets good at welding, or a writer

653
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: gets good over the years by writing, these guys learned

654
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 2: from their mistakes. It so over the course of one year,

655
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: they boosted sixty stores and banks in Oklahoma and Texas,

656
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: twenty in Dallas Fort Worth alone.

657
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: It's like one every five days.

658
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. They did hold ups in New Mexico, Arizona, Louisiana,

659
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: and then like they're all over the papers. The headlines

660
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: are like senior citizens strike again and middle aged bendits

661
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 2: puzzle detectives. So March seventh, nineteen eighty three, the Over

662
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: the Hill Gang continues their march east and they hit

663
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: first Bristol County National Bank in Massachusetts. And Tucker, he

664
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: was proud of it. He called it, quote a breakthrough

665
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: in the art. Yeah.

666
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: So finding new ways to rob it bank.

667
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: There was an armored car scheduled to arrive at this bank,

668
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: and then Tucker and the boys they showed up ahead

669
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: of them dressed as Brinks guards making the pickup. So

670
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: they go in there wearing like makeup and mustaches, and

671
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: Tucker usually had a wig that he wore, but he

672
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: had to ditch it. Why do you have to digitalis

673
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: why digitalism? Question? The wig shrank in a snowstorm. It

674
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: didn't fit anymore, like what was it?

675
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: Wool?

676
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: Like, what's happening.

677
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's not gonna work. And he didn't

678
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: have time to score another one, so he just went

679
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: without it.

680
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: He's like, exactly, it's a little beret.

681
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: So the guys they show up in costume, they get

682
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: buzzed into the bank. They go into the vault. The

683
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: bank manager saw some of the mustaches starting to peel

684
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: away from the guy's faces, and at the exact moment

685
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: one of the gang like pats the gun on his

686
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: hip and says, this is a hold up. Yes, so

687
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: they locked two tellers and the bank manager in there.

688
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to need to sit down a moment.

689
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: Exactly, Sayatica. And then Tucker and the boys made off

690
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: with over four hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Oh yeah,

691
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: so police they show the bank employee mugshots. Tucker's identified.

692
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: This hadn't happened since the rubb a Dub dub incident

693
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: in San Quentin. They finally that's the guy. So the

694
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: cops know it's Tucker. But where was he Florida? Back

695
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: to the start. Yeah, he checked in with Green, his

696
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: Alcatraz pal, every day, making sure the coast was clear.

697
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: June tenth, nineteen eighty three, Tucker heads over to Greens

698
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: and he finds himself surrounded by the FBI. They're just

699
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: they've got him. They'd been tailing Green.

700
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: Other unrelated crimes.

701
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: So a gunfight ensues. Yeah, and Tucker gets hit in

702
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: both arms and in the leg, and so he took

703
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: off his car, but then he like crashed a little

704
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: bit away.

705
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't get fun.

706
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: He jumps out of the car and tries to hoof it.

707
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 2: And so this is nineteen eighty three, So he's a

708
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 2: sixty three year old man. At this point, he's running

709
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 2: down the road. A woman and her two kids are

710
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: dry by. They see a bloody old man jogging down

711
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: the road next to her. She thinks he's been hit

712
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: by a car or something, because he always dressed really nicely.

713
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: So she pulls over. She offers him a ride to

714
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 2: the hospital, and he basically carjacks her, and he shoves

715
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: himself into the driver's seat, and I guess he was

716
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 2: holding a rifle that she didn't see. Thanks, I will

717
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: take that, and he yells, I have a gun. Now

718
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: drive And then one of the kids sees the rifle

719
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: and yells criminal. And I was going to say, it's

720
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: very young Elizabeth behavior like a dutiful citizen for him.

721
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 2: When I was a little girl, every time, apparently I

722
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: don't recall, but every time we were like in the

723
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 2: car and my mom made a U turn, I would

724
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: ask her if it was legal? Is this illegal? You turn?

725
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: Like?

726
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: I was so much fun as a kid. I'm surprised

727
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't just abandoned on like a fire station doorstep.

728
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: I would not blame my family.

729
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 3: Can you be asking is this legal?

730
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 2: Legal?

731
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 4: Child?

732
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: Here?

733
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: So Tucker and the Fan family are in the car

734
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: together in this crazy like he somehow has a rifle

735
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 2: that he's hidden on his pantle. Like they get about

736
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: a half a mile down the road, not too far,

737
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: and then he realizes he's going down to dead end street,

738
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: and so he lets the mother and children go. He

739
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: jumps out of the car and then passes out. Oh,

740
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 2: let's take a break when we come back. I'm going

741
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: to tell you how this went for him.

742
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 5: Oh please, hello, Hi, Hello. You know it's ridiculous that voice.

743
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, hi, okay, So I was so courteously interrupted by

744
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: those brilliant ads. I was telling you about Forrest Tucker

745
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: and what kind of feels like is his last stand?

746
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he got gunshot to most carjacked a lady.

747
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 3: I didn't go well.

748
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: He got called a criminal by an eight year old.

749
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 3: Lying in the street.

750
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 2: It's not by a long shot, Sarah, don't give up

751
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: on him. So let's check in on his life in

752
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: Florida up until that point. All right, he'd been living

753
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 2: in a really fancy retirement community in Laughter Hill, Florida,

754
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 2: which is like Lauderdale, but the Hill instead Dale. And

755
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: he wasn't alone there. He was shacked up with an

756
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 2: heiress to a moving company named Jewel Centers. That's her name,

757
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: not the moving company. Like it caused me a little

758
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: bit of confusion. So her name is Jewel Centers.

759
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: I wish your name is like Jewels Brinks.

760
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: So that's her name. That's not the end of the

761
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 2: moving company. Uh So Tucker went down but not out

762
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: in a blaze of glory. The FBI. They go to

763
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: Jewel's house and they had some questions.

764
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: He survived, the laying in the street passing.

765
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: He survived. They arrested him, took him in. They go

766
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: to his lady's house and they're like, I got some

767
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 2: questions about Forrest Tucker And just like poor sorrowful Shirley

768
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: Bellow remember me in my shadow? Jules like, I don't

769
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: know who that is, never heard of that guy. No,

770
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: my husband's name is Bob Callahan, which is such a

771
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 2: great country club.

772
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: Name, totally big Bob club.

773
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: She's like, he's a stockbroker, of course. And she'd met

774
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 2: Bob not too long after she lost her first husband.

775
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 2: They met at a private club called the Whale and Porpoise. Yeah,

776
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: he came over to ask me to dance and that

777
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: was that, which like time out, Okay, let's go back

778
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: Whale and Porpoise. So at the time it was like

779
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: a private social club. But I found the address for it,

780
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 2: and today it's for a male strip club called Labert

781
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: La Vare, which is billed as the quote ultimate club

782
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: for ladies, the hottest male review show in Florida.

783
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: Review.

784
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: Since I can't find any but looking, I was really

785
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 2: trying to find information about whale and poor posts, okay,

786
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: because like I'm fascinated Sideline. I wanted interior photos. I

787
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 2: wanted like gossip column kind of layout. Yeah, and so

788
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: I instead in the instead of that, I present to

789
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: you some labeer YELP reviews. Oh yeah, Charlotte W said

790
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: one star. This establishment falsely advertised the mail review with

791
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: photos of adult men. Only three dancers over twenty five

792
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: years old, poor routines. Only three dancers performed, not worth

793
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: the time, poor customer service, nothing high end about the venue.

794
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: I want to hear the rest of her strip club reviews.

795
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: It's like, when you're going around giving strip club reviews,

796
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, how many of these?

797
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: I don't like these barely legal dancers. Basically what she's saying,

798
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: I want some.

799
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: Man, I want some hair on that chest. It's gray and.

800
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 2: Silver Wanson over the hill game Fox. Yeah. So but

801
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 2: then there's Alex V who gave it five stars. I

802
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: went here two years ago for a batch. B a

803
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: h right, and I'm like, for a bop? Do they

804
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: do like a bock nail? Do they do like a quartet?

805
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: Night with like a concert?

806
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: Team turns?

807
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: So it's batch. I went here two years ago for

808
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: a batch and then again on Saturday for another batch,

809
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: and every time I go it is so much fun

810
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: exclamation point. The men are so respectful and aren't rough.

811
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: Trust me, I've been to ones where they have banged

812
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: my head in their hips. I always scope out Valentino

813
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: because he is my favorite and beyond gorgeous. All the

814
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: guys can dance and are so worth it.

815
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 3: Yes, I learned a lot. Don't get your head banged

816
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 3: by a dancer on their hips bangs.

817
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 2: Help Okay, So no, I could go on and on

818
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: back to the FBI.

819
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: FBI.

820
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: So the FBI tells her, look, we don't care about

821
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: the wheel on the porpoise. Your husband, Bob, he's really Tucker.

822
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: And Jules said, I told him, I don't believe a

823
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 2: word you're saying. But they had him. They shot him

824
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 2: three times. Well, there you go. So she went to

825
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: him to visit him in prison and he said, quote,

826
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: I told her that from then on, I'd only look

827
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: at ways to escape. She's one in a million, and

828
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: so she's.

829
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: Like he told her, I'll escaped prison for you, Like, don't,

830
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: don't leave me, I'll get out of it.

831
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: Like he can't help himself. So while he's a waiting trial,

832
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: he cuts a bar from his cell with a hack

833
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 2: saw who keeps giving him hack sauce. He makes it

834
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: to the roof with a homemade grappling hook and has

835
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: caught immediately. And then Jewel was like, okay, stop stop.

836
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: I will stick with you, but you have to mend

837
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 2: your ways, like you have to go straight, and he's like,

838
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: for you anything, yes I will. Really they had to

839
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: have the marriaginal because it's, you know, fraud. He's not

840
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 2: Bob Callahan. But Jewel stuck with him. Yes, she stayed

841
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 2: right with him. He gets sent back to San Quentin

842
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: and he kept writing appeals. He even got his sentence reduced,

843
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: and he wrote to one judge, this is to thank you.

844
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: It's the first break I ever got in my life.

845
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: I won't need another.

846
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: So it sounds earnest.

847
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: He knew that he was amazing and that his story

848
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: was compelling, so he started trying to write a book screenplay.

849
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 2: That's what you do.

850
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: He's crimed long enough, he's now he's a qualified author.

851
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: He should automatically get an agent.

852
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: So he put he go to prisons. Is that like

853
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: they used to go to colleges? Go to prisons? Okay,

854
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: what are you in for?

855
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: He wrote two hundred and sixty one pages for a

856
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,760
Speaker 2: book he called Alcatraz The True Story, and then another

857
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: one called The can Opener, and where he describes himself

858
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: as a throwback quote to the highly intelligent, non violent

859
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: type of criminal in the Willie Sutton mold oh, shut

860
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 2: out god. Yeah. So nineteen ninety three, he's seventy three

861
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: years old, back out life as a civilian.

862
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: I love it.

863
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: He and Jewel they got a place in Pampino Beach, Florida.

864
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,879
Speaker 2: She stuck with him. He had a music room there

865
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: and he gave a saxophone and clarinet lessons for twenty

866
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 2: five bucks an hour. Wow, Jules said, quote, we had

867
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: a wonderful life. He has all these talents that have

868
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: been wasted all these years. And so he played local

869
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 2: jazz clubs. But the whole book thing never got off.

870
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: The ground, he said, quote. I called Clint Eastwood's secretary,

871
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 2: but she said, unless you have an agent, he won't

872
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 2: read it.

873
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 3: So true.

874
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Saren, Tucker, at this point in my story

875
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 2: is seventy eight years old, nineteen ninety nine, and while

876
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: his story is so cinematic, I haven't asked you to

877
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: picture anything. No, you have not, well, because it's been

878
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: all one big picture it.

879
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: Oh, look at you.

880
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: JK just kidding, Saren, closed your eyes, Okay, I want

881
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: you to picture it. Yes, you are Forest Tucker's police scanner,

882
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,479
Speaker 2: hearing aid. He has just nestled you into his ear.

883
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: As the two of you stand in the bathroom of

884
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: his tastefully decorated, well appointed Pompano Beach home.

885
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: I'm so warm.

886
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: He has painted his fingertips with clear nail polish and

887
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 2: is dressed all in white pressed white pants, a white

888
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: sports shirt, white suede shoes, and a white ascot Pablo.

889
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: You and Tucker pop into his car and cruise an

890
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: hour and a half up the coast to Jupiter, Florida.

891
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: You know what your job is. You've done this a

892
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: few times with him recently. As you pull into the

893
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: parking lot of the Republic security bank. Tucker pulls the

894
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: white ascot up over his lower face Bendito style. He

895
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,240
Speaker 2: reaches into the canvas bag that he's carrying and pulls

896
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: out an old US Army COLT forty five. He strolls

897
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 2: up for the first teller and says, put your money

898
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: on the counter, all of it. The teller walks over

899
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 2: to another teller and gets some cash. You are chirping

900
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 2: in his ear about a loose dog or a stolen car.

901
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 2: Nothing about the bank. Tucker takes the money from the

902
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: teller and flips through the bills looking for diepacks. He

903
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: counts out a little over five thousand dollars. More squawk

904
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: from you about a shoplifting call, but nothing about the bank.

905
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: Tucker gracious, thanks the tuellers, and the two of you

906
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: amble back to his car. From there, you guys drive

907
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 2: you about a mile or so away, and you pull

908
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: up next to a red Grand Am. That's the cool car.

909
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: Tucker wipes down the interior of the hot car you've

910
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: just been riding in and starts to transfer his stuff

911
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: into the new car. A bottle of heart medicine, a

912
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:23,479
Speaker 2: three fifty seven magnum, a sawd off, a carbine, two

913
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,439
Speaker 2: black nylon caps, a holster, a can of mace, para

914
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: smith and wesson handcuffs, two rolls of black electrical tape,

915
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: a police badge, five triple A batteries, a police scanner,

916
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: a glass cutter, gloves, and a fishing cap. It'scott a scanner,

917
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: so he shuts you off. You sit silently in his ear.

918
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: The two of you head back down to Pompino Beach.

919
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: Tucker notices an unmarked car following him, then a police car.

920
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: He guns it. You are resting in the ear of

921
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 2: a seventy eight year old bank robber involved in a

922
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: car chase, And if it weren't for the fact that

923
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 2: you are but an arrangement of plastic and wires, you

924
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: have never felt more alive. Just like the last time

925
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: this happened, Tucker accidentally pulls into a dead end. He

926
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: wheels the car around like an expert wheelman. He's now

927
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,479
Speaker 2: facing the two cars that had chased him, blocking the road,

928
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: and more sirens in the distance. You feel his breathing quickened,

929
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 2: and you see what he sees. There's a space between

930
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: the patrol car and a wooden fence. He floors at

931
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: a giant grin on his face. He clears the space

932
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: between the cop car and the fence, but loses control

933
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: of the car, skids over an embankment and hits a

934
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: palm tree. You are sent flying into the dashboard, getting

935
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: wedged against the windshield. The airbags go off in pin

936
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 2: Tucker in the seat. That was quite a ride. So Jule,

937
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: she had no explanation for the husband's HeSE while she's

938
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: out like getting her hair done and lunching with her friends. Quote,

939
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: he didn't do it for the money. We had a

940
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 2: new car, nice home, paid for beautiful clothes. He had everything.

941
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: And this is what a court psychologist said, quote. I've

942
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: seen many individuals who are self aggrandizing and that would

943
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 2: like to make their mark on history. But none must

944
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: admit that I heard that would want to, other than

945
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: in the movies, go out in a blaze in a

946
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: bank robbery. It is beyond the realm of psychological prediction.

947
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 2: So Tucker, that was his plan.

948
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: He wanted to go out in a blaze of glory. Yes,

949
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,479
Speaker 3: this is like basically a yeah.

950
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 2: And he can't stop himself. Yeah, so he gets put.

951
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: Something you always say about the lack of impulse control.

952
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he gets put in this like semi isolation, and

953
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: it was all we request were manager honor, no bail, Yeah,

954
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: of course not. And so his lawyer was like, but

955
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 2: he could die in these conditions, and the magistrate said, quote,

956
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: ordinarily I would not consider a seventy eight year old

957
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 2: man of flight risk or a danger to the community.

958
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 2: But mister Tucker has proved himself to be remarkably agile.

959
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: So he pleaded guilty. October twentieth, the year two thousand.

960
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

961
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 2: He got a thirteen year sentence at the Federal Medical

962
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: Center in Fort Worth, Texas. And he had like a

963
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 2: bunch of strokes after he went inside, and apparently blood

964
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: clots were like slowly cutting off the oxygen to his brain.

965
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 2: Here's what he said, quote. Everyone says I'm smart, but

966
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: I'm not smart in the ways of life, or I

967
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't have done the things I did. When I die,

968
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: no one will remember me. I wish I had a

969
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: real profession, something like the music business. I regret not

970
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: being able to work steady and support my family. I

971
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: have other regrets too, but that's as much as one

972
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 2: man can stand. Late at night, you lie in your

973
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: bunk in prison, and you think about what you'd lost,

974
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: what you were, what you could have been, and you regret.

975
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: What hurts most is that I know how much I

976
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: disappointed my wife. That hurts more than anything.

977
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 3: I bet it did. He's promised her and then he

978
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: went back, oh promised, because he couldn't control himself do it.

979
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: So he passed away May twenty ninth, two thousand and four,

980
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: at the age of eighty three.

981
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,879
Speaker 3: So that was the Sissy's basic character from the movie.

982
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: Yes, Jewel, it was Jewel. He was still in jail

983
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: when he died, and he was buried in Mansfield, Texas.

984
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: In twenty eighteen, the Old Man and the Gun came out,

985
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: and there's a scene in the movie where Tucker hands

986
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 2: a list of his escapes to Jewel, with the last

987
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: number nineteen being blank. And this actually happened, but not

988
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: with Jewel. When he was eighty three. He gave the

989
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: list to David Graham, a writer for The New Yorker,

990
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: and it was his article that got adapted into the movie.

991
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: And on Gran's list, the nineteenth space was never filled,

992
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: So that was his what what's your ridiculous takeaway?

993
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 3: Man? When you gave that list? What was all this stuff?

994
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: In his car. I was like, that sounds like the

995
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: best I'm going to go camping list I can think

996
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: of now. I mean all honesty, like, it's not so

997
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 3: terribly ridiculous, it's more much more. It's like it's just

998
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 3: kind of like an observation.

999
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1000
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 3: Basically The Man with the Gun, as you pointed out,

1001
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 3: missed as a movie, right, but yet it captured the

1002
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 3: feeling I had at the end of his life right

1003
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 3: when you described like, I was like really sad for

1004
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 3: them that like they couldn't he couldn't make their love work.

1005
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: They had everything, as she pointed out, the you know,

1006
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: the car, the house, the nice house, everything they had

1007
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: each other love, and still he can't help himself and

1008
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 3: he goes out and he gets like five grand from

1009
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 3: the bank robbery or whatever. But that's exactly how that

1010
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 3: movie felt, was the later years, the sadness of him

1011
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 3: not being able to not be himself even in the

1012
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: face of something like love, which he's obviously wanted this

1013
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 3: whole time.

1014
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: Well, I'm seeing like a what could have been that

1015
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: was so much in the movie of like the life

1016
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 2: that he could have had.

1017
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 3: So I will say that what's ridiculous is you made

1018
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: me like that movie more by telling this story.

1019
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: Oh really, see there you go, there you go.

1020
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: You liked it.

1021
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: Well. I think the way you put it makes so

1022
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: much more sense. And I just want to see a

1023
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: young version of it. I want another movie, so I

1024
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 2: don't want to erase the one that fits the end

1025
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: of his life. I want a young one totally.

1026
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: I'm with you on that. Just the rub a dub

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00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 3: dub three and a tub.

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00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: Captain d give me a talkback.

1029
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Jeet.

1030
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 4: What's up, Sarah and Elizabeth. This is Cameron in Seattle,

1031
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 4: and I've got to say I've been listening for about

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Speaker 4: six months. I've gone back and listened to all of

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Speaker 4: the past episodes as well, so I two hundred plus

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Speaker 4: episodes and I always come away in a good mood.

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Speaker 4: So thank you for being good friends and always brightened

1036
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 4: my day and always got to listen to the end

1037
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 4: to hear to hear that cute little kid.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

1039
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're so glad we could be there.

1040
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and thank you for being our friend, and thank

1041
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 3: you for listening. We really enjoy this and love doing

1042
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: it for y'all so exactly.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing with the talkbacks, is.

1044
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 3: That we get actually here you.

1045
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: Can kind of so pseudo talk to you.

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00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we took get a sense of like what

1047
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 3: it is for y'all.

1048
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're your sweet little voices. That's it. That's all

1049
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Speaker 2: I have for today.

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00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You're so welcome. You can find us online at ridiculous

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