1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Are you failming? 2 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 2: Yes right now, Hey, okay, tell me what we're doing. 3 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 3: We're going to try to catch a crab. If we 4 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 3: catch a crab, are we gonna keep it? 5 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 4: No? 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: Okay. 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: My family is staying at a rental house on the 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: York River in Gloucester, Virginia, just across the water from Williamsburg. 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 2: It's our summer vacation. My twelve year old daughter and 10 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: I are trying to catch blue crabs and traps just 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: for fun. 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 3: I think lakes could have time. 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: Then why is it so big? 14 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: It's a very big river? Oh? God? 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: Did they they be headed the shrap? 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: No that I put chat in there? 17 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: Oh will they be I don't think they like Chad. 18 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 5: Who's chi Chad? 19 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 6: Baby? 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 4: It's baby fish? 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: Well are you getting all the good sounds, mama? 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: No, lug with the crabs. But we did spot some 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 2: pink dolphins right in front of our dock, and across 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: the river we could see some stately homes from the 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 2: eighteenth century Williamsburg Plantation homes. I asked historic site supervisor 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: and legal expert Cash Earharts about the history of those 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: waterfront estates and the members of the gentry that lived 28 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: in them. 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 7: Predominantly they live in these large river front plantation estates. 30 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 7: They've been invested in the cultivation of tobacco over a 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 7: century now, and with the enslaved Africans cultivating the land, 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 7: creating that profit for them, that's what sustains their place 33 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 7: in society. So in some sense, your accommodations are kind 34 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 7: of giving you an insight to what it would be 35 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 7: like to be on the front of the river. Have 36 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:12,839 Speaker 7: to come into Williamsburg, take care of your business, yeah, 37 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 7: and then return home. 38 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: John Robinson's death in May of seventeen sixty six shine 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: a light on that society, the society that used enslaved 40 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: labor to build their homes, tend to their crops, and 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: raise their children. Robinson's descendant, Simon Robinson, says that his 42 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 2: family's history also reflects that history. 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 8: The sort of plantation aristocracy was all very cozy and 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 8: held onto power quite closely and saw themselves as this 45 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 8: sort of new aristocracy in Virginia. All of it built, 46 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 8: of course, on the back of enslaved Africans growing tobacco 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 8: and other crops. And it's interesting when you read the 48 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 8: history that that doesn't really get mentioned. It's very much 49 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 8: glossed over. 50 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: Janice Kennedy is determined to not let that history be 51 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: glossed over. She's a historic site supervisor and expert in 52 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 2: Black history with the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation. She's also a 53 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 2: performer for many of the events that are put on 54 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: for visitors. 55 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: My family has always been here in Williamsburg. I've traced 56 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: them back several generations. 57 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 5: What do you know about their lives. 58 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: I know that they were enslaved and that's all I know. 59 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: I've never seen a picture of them. I've never seen 60 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: anything that they've written. I've never read anything that they've said. 61 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: I just know that they were enslaved and that they 62 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: were freed. 63 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 2: Janice and historian Nicole Brown are giving me a tour 64 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: of the Randolph House in Williamsburg. 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: This take a look here. This is a room that 66 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: would have been used for Randolph's visiting nephews, Harrison Randolph 67 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: and Randolph Harrison. 68 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: Remember that John Chisel was married to Elizabeth Randolph. Her 69 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: uncle John Randolph was the speaker of the House of 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 2: Burgesses before John Robinson took over. John Randolph owned this large, 71 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: ornate house. 72 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: But pretty spacious for that time period. You know, top 73 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: of the line you like it? Could you be comfortable 74 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: with them? 75 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: I mean I would be comfortable with here. 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 6: Actually I have very little standings of her accommodations. Yeah, 77 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 6: this hot had issues. 78 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: M Randolph also owned enslaved people who lived here to 79 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 2: serve his family. 80 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: And this is a connecting bed chamber here that would 81 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: have been for Elizabeth Randolph's niece. She comes here a 82 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: young girl of about maybe twelve or thirteen, and she 83 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: brings with her own, uh piece of property, and that's 84 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: going to be violent. So we talk with Vallet being 85 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 1: out here at the end of the day on a 86 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: palette very close by that she can dress her needs. 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: And those two boys, Harrison Randolph and Randolph. Harrison would 88 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: have George and Caesar. I believe that he're here with 89 00:04:58,279 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: them as well to address their needs. 90 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 6: Where did the names come from? 91 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: Edmund and Caesar? 92 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: And they give these people these names, right, And so 93 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: you have names like Venus, Sussex, Essex, London. Some are biblical, 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, Daniel, Adam, Joshua, Jeremiah, those names are there too. 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: So sometimes from the Classics you have a name or 96 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: something from the Bible. How ironic is that. 97 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: Twenty six of these enslaved men, women and children were 98 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: trapped here. 99 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: So look, you see Roger's value. 100 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 6: I don't see Rogers Sam. 101 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 4: What does it say says forty pounds? 102 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: Okay, we have John Harrison, Eva and Betty are one 103 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: hundred pounds. 104 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 9: Is that it's a lot of money. But you're looking 105 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 9: at it in terms of shillings and pens, right. 106 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, all life is priceless, so that's an economic value, 107 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: that's not a soule value. 108 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: Jannis Kennedy says that for the enslaved population in Williamsburg, 109 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: uncertainty and fear of death permeated their lives. 110 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: There's nothing that slavery brought about that wasn't intense or deadly. 111 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: Every part of it was complex and deadly, all of it. 112 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: And here, when you walk into this town even today, 113 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: slavery should holler at you from every angle because people 114 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: will come here and look at the beautiful craftsmanship and 115 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: will remark on it. And just as soon as you say, 116 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: do you think, mister Randolph blank those boards you can 117 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: see it, it just drains because they don't want to 118 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: give that credit. It's amazing because this is a monument 119 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: to them. The city was built by and slaved people 120 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: and maintained. Yeah, what are you thinking just looking at 121 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: the tronks and stuff. 122 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 5: You're just thinking about what you were saying, just about 123 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 5: the boards and everything. 124 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 9: It's a lot. 125 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 2: Jenna says that the wealth of the gentry was not 126 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: contained in the big houses, not the land, not the carriages, 127 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: the fancy dresses, the important rugs. That's not where their 128 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,559 Speaker 2: real wealth was. Their real wealth was in the human 129 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: property that they owned, because they could do whatever they 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: wanted with that property. Enslaved people never had any rest, 131 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: not in life or death. 132 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: They could loan you, they could contract you out, mortgage you, 133 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: put you in a lottery, pay their taxes, give you 134 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: away as a wedding present, Christmas present, or use you 135 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: as an inheritance in their will. So there's nothing they 136 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: couldn't do with you. Nothing. So that's where their real 137 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: wealth came from. Because if your crop fails, I can 138 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: sell someone's child, I can sell your wife or your mother, 139 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: and I can recover. If I destroy you, I'm still 140 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: going to be reimbursed to half the value of you. 141 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: If I punish you for running off to your freedom, 142 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: or what you perceive as a possibility to be free, 143 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: then I can have you maimed, and the damage that's 144 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: done to you will never be given back to you, 145 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: but given to me as jo own. 146 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: My tour guide. Nicole Brown discovered this story in an 147 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: interesting way through the role she plays for visitors to Williamsburg. 148 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 9: The whole reason I came to this case was actually 149 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 9: because of two of the enslaved boys that Colonel Chisel owned. 150 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 9: So the person I portray and wager was the teacher 151 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 9: of the first official depending on who you talk to. 152 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 9: Official by official, I mean run by white individuals. A 153 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 9: school for African Americans in the Colony of Virginia ran 154 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 9: from seventeen sixty to seventeen seventy four. 155 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: In an urban environment like Williamsburg, an enslaved person who 156 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: knew how to read and write had more monetary value, 157 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: so members of the gentry like John Chisel would send 158 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 2: some of the enslaved children to be educated. 159 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 9: When you look at that list, you actually see that 160 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 9: Colonel Chisel is sending two of his what he would 161 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 9: perceive as property, enslaved boys to the school. One is 162 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,559 Speaker 9: named Edmund, one is named Johnny. How Edmund and Johnny 163 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 9: we don't know definitively how old they are, but given 164 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 9: the average age of the students, we're talking seven, eight, 165 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 9: maybe nine. 166 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 2: I asked Nicole what Chisel's intentions were for the boys 167 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 2: when they got older. 168 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 9: Why are they being sent to the school, Because he's 169 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 9: going to be using them in urban environments where he 170 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 9: may be using them as a man servant, which would 171 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 9: still apply, of course, if he went out to his 172 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 9: properties down by the lead Minds, he's going to have 173 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 9: a man servant, an enslaved body servant with him at 174 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 9: all times. So it's likely that he was training one 175 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 9: or both of these boys for that type of role. 176 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: So when we talk about John Robinson's wealth, or John 177 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: Chisel's wealth, or Patrick Henry's wealth, we're also talking about 178 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: enslaved people. But it wasn't just the gentry and enslaved 179 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 2: people who lived in Williamsburg. Julie Richter says there was 180 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: also a growing middle class. 181 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 6: There is a large middling group of people in the city. 182 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 6: Many of them are traded people. They're a lot of 183 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 6: different trades being carried out every day, well six days 184 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 6: a week in Williamsburg, from blacksmithing to tailoring to shoemaking. 185 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 6: Taverns as well. 186 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: The trades people like blacksmiths or shoemakers or dressmakers could 187 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 2: become very wealthy depending on how valuable their service was. 188 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 2: But no matter what their income, they were never considered 189 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 2: upper class because it was difficult to reach gentry status 190 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: without family wealth. 191 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 6: They worked to support themselves. They would never really have 192 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 6: been considered gentry, but they were prosperous. They had comfortable 193 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 6: lives they could provide for their children. 194 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: There were already tensions between the middle and upper classes. 195 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 2: The middle class colonists demanded more power. After John Robinson's 196 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: death in May of seventeen sixty six, the scandal continued 197 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: to make headlines in the local papers. The lower classes 198 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: had always suspected that the gentry could be taking advantage 199 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: of them, but now it had been confirmed. Many colonists 200 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 2: were already furious at the King and at Parliament for 201 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 2: these higher taxes. Cash Earhart reminds us of where we 202 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 2: are in seventeen sixty six. The colonists are beginning to revolt. 203 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 7: When Parliament repeals the Stamp Act in seventeen sixty six, 204 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 7: they decide, you know what you said that we don't 205 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 7: have the right to tax you directly, so we're going 206 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 7: to give ourselves the right to tax you directly with 207 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 7: the Declatory Act, and then they enact the towns in 208 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 7: duties on commodities like lead, painters, colors, glass and tea 209 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 7: in addition to some paper. 210 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: The colonists complain and appeal to voters in England. These 211 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: were the people with the power to elect politicians who 212 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: would protect the colonists once again. 213 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 7: The colonists, they protest. They use every means of peaceful 214 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 7: and coercive protests to get the attention of the English electorate, 215 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 7: since they do have the ability to put pressure on 216 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 7: individuals in Parliament to get them to repeal the towns 217 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 7: and duties, and eventually the towns and duties are all repealed, 218 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 7: except for the one on tea. 219 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 2: Just a few years later, in seventeen seventy, there would 220 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 2: be a fight between British soldiers and rebel protesters in 221 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: Boston on a snowy March day. Two thousand Red Coats 222 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 2: had occupied the city for two years to calm the riots. 223 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 2: After the towns and Duties, nine soldiers would open fire 224 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: on hundreds of protesters, killing five of the rebels and 225 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: injuring three others. It became known as the Boston Massacre. 226 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,559 Speaker 7: After that, Boston essentially becomes an armed military camp. The 227 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 7: city is put under martial law. And then after seventeen 228 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 7: seventy three, when the Boston Tea Party takes place, Parliament 229 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 7: retaliates with a series of legislative acts that they call 230 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 7: the Coercive Acts. We know them as the Intolerable Acts. 231 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 2: Then Parliament would pass what was provincially known as the 232 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 2: Murdering Act, which says that if a British soldier is 233 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 2: accused of murder in America, he will be sent back 234 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 2: to England to stand trial instead of standing trial in America. 235 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 2: And they had passed the Quartering Act, which says that 236 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: the British soldiers can stay in your empty stables or 237 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: your empty warehouse without compensating you for the use of 238 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 2: your property. 239 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 7: It's the violation by Parliament of all of these ancient 240 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 7: rights that you have as a British subject, the right 241 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 7: to a trial by a jury, the right to confront 242 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 7: your accusers, the right to your property. Parliament begins infringing 243 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 7: upon those rights, and that's what finally draws the colonies together. 244 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 2: But back in seventeen sixty six, after the death of 245 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 2: John Robinson. Details had been revealed about the depths of 246 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: his deceit and how it was connected to John Chisel, 247 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: Robinson's largest financial dependent. 248 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 8: John Robinson died in seventeen sixty six, and this big 249 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 8: scandal was uncovered. That's over. I think it was something 250 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 8: like one hundred and nine thousand pounds, which is an 251 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 8: astronomical some time had been instead of being burnt, had 252 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 8: been lent out to various key people in the colony 253 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 8: of Virginia. 254 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: That's a good summary of the Robinson scandal. And the 255 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 2: sum of the funds was incredible, more than thirty million dollars. Today, 256 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: in crowded candlelit taverns, tradesmen complained about John Robinson and 257 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: his incredible scam. Kelly Brennan says that Robinson's fraud was 258 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: the most high profile case of blatant theft from the 259 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: working class people in Virginia. 260 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 4: I think that's exactly a great way to put it. 261 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 4: There's a number of things that they're beginning to sort 262 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 4: of try to push through what you see, as they 263 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 4: call they were from them as the Upper Counties, and 264 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: they're sort of both north and west. 265 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 7: Of this area. 266 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 4: And these are the guys who established elite kind of 267 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 4: see as upstarts. Even if they do have gentry ties, 268 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 4: technically their upstarts. Their opinion doesn't matter, Their constituents don't matter. 269 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: My father was a law professor at the University of 270 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: Texas in Austin for thirty seven years. We talked a 271 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: lot about the government and freedom and rights. He used 272 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: to tell me what I said earlier. It's easy to 273 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: add on rights, it's much harder to take them away. 274 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: The British government and the King were tightening their control 275 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: on the colonies. Rights were being taken away. Beyond that, 276 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: John Robinson's deception proved that the gentry cared little for 277 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: the working class, the tradesmen and the merchants who helped 278 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 2: support the upper class. And now John Chisel was under 279 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 2: trum mendus prussure. On Tuesday, June third of seventeen sixty six, 280 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 2: it had been one month since John Chisel's son in 281 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: law died. He and his wife and his four children 282 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: were still mourning John Robinson and Chisel was concerned about money, 283 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: so he traveled to Augusta County to examine his mine. 284 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 2: The lead mining company. Historian and interpreter Nicole Brown says 285 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: that this is the lead or mine that was funded 286 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 2: by Virginia's governor and Chisel's now deceased son in law. 287 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 9: So Colonel Chisel is out at his led minds. He's 288 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 9: looking at his lead mind surveying his lead mines, not 289 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 9: surveying in the way we think of a surveyor, but 290 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 9: really looking at his domain. He lives out in the 291 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 9: western part of Virginia, but he does have a town 292 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 9: home in Williamsburg and is part of a very elite 293 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 9: upper echelon of Virginia gentry. 294 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: Chisel was depressed over his finalanial problems, which seemed to 295 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: be compounding by the day, but he likely tried to 296 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: hide it. He had brought along some friends, as well 297 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 2: as one enslaved person who hauled around Chisel's personal effects. 298 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: I say enslaved person because there's not enough information to 299 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: tell us if he had been a boy. 300 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 9: Or a man, but it would not be surprising if 301 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 9: it was an adolescent enslaved boy serving him, which is 302 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 9: not uncommon amongst the gentry elite. Not only to have 303 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:30,239 Speaker 9: enslaved man servants is pretty much a social norm at 304 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 9: this point amongst white gentlemen. And certainly white men. But 305 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 9: for him to have been you know, I mean twelve 306 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 9: thirteen fourteen. Maybe he's on his way home from visiting 307 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 9: his lead mines, and he stops at a tavern known 308 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 9: as Moseby's Tavern, which is in the western part of Virginia. 309 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 9: While he is there, he encounters a gentleman who he's 310 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 9: actually I should say a man, not a gentleman, because 311 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 9: there's a distinction in the eighteenth century, but a man, 312 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 9: a merchant who knows by the name of Robert Rutledge. 313 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: Which puts us right at the scene of the murder. 314 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 9: Right from the depositions as well as from newspaper accounts. 315 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 9: He and Robert Rutledge certainly know each other well. 316 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 5: They had had dealings together, they were supposedly friends, and 317 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 5: I suppose you know this too, that they were even 318 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 5: supposed to share bed together in the tavern that night. 319 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 9: That's not uncommon for eighteenth century taverns. For two men, 320 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 9: or a gentleman and a man to be sharing a 321 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 9: room at a tavern is not really unusual. And there's 322 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 9: a separate house that's clearly part of the tavern complex. 323 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 9: That they're both supposed to be staying in where Colonel 324 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 9: Chisel also is keeping all of his items that he's 325 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 9: traveling with. 326 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 2: The two men were friendly, They were more than acquaintances, 327 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: but relationships between people from different classes could be complicated. 328 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 3: Rutlige and Chisel were really pretty close, about as close 329 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: as people outside of each other station could be thinking 330 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 3: of each other, even as friends, which is not too 331 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 3: terribly common for a gentleman and then a middling man. Yes, 332 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: he is a merchant. 333 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: Here's some background on Robert Rutledge. He was born in 334 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 2: Scotland into what one document described as prosperous yeoman stock. 335 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: Yeoman was the social class between the gentry and the servants, 336 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: sort of like the middle class who typically owned land. 337 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: Rutledge's grandfather on his mother's side was a gentleman. His 338 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 2: family owned land. But Robert Rutledge never married that we 339 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: know of, even though he had a son who was 340 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: born in seventeen forty five. The following year, Rutledge left 341 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: Scotland for the United Colonies. We don't know if he 342 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: left because he didn't want to marry the mother of 343 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: his child, or if he was just in search of 344 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: better opportunities. But later in seventeen forty six, Robert arrived 345 00:19:54,680 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: in the colonies. Rutledge became partners with another Scotsman and 346 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 2: they prospered. They eventually bought more than twelve hundred acres 347 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 2: of land in Prince Edward County, Virginia. Rutlige became a 348 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 2: merchant and he gained wealth quickly. Rutledge was incredibly popular 349 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: with people of all classes. He enjoyed drinking with friends 350 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 2: and local taverns. He was never considered a troublemaker, and 351 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 2: in fact, Rutledge was described as quote a worthy, blunt 352 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: man of strict honesty and sincerity, a man incapable of 353 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: fraud or hypocrisy. A newspaper wrote that he was one 354 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: of the most substantial merchants of the old Dominion. But 355 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: despite all of that, Robert Rutledge was not considered a 356 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: member of the gentry. I asked historians Robert Weathers and 357 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 2: Julie Richter to give me some context about Scottish people 358 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 2: in Virginia in the seventeen sixties. 359 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: These Scotch merchants hold a generalized reputation amongst many many 360 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 3: people for being cheats and for being very, very cheap 361 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 3: in their wares. And their sales. So there are even 362 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: jokes that float around in the period that verify this 363 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 3: general notion. 364 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 6: Most Scottish merchants names only are remembered because they are 365 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 6: in a few account books. Yeah, they're not going to 366 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 6: be prosperous. They'll support themselves because Virginians in the middle 367 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 6: of the eighteenth century, no matter your social level, needed to. 368 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 2: Buy goods, right, So they were a cog. They were necessary. 369 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, they're necessary. Yeah, they're a necessary cog. It's it's 370 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 6: a different way of getting your goods than what English 371 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 6: merchants had set up. So it's maybe a little more 372 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 6: approachable if you're middling. 373 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: In this case, middling means middle class. A middle class 374 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: family could develop a connection with the Scottish merchant who 375 00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 2: is in their neighborhood. 376 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 6: You write letters to your merchant each year. I am 377 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 6: sending you twenty barrels twenty hogsheads of tobacco upon consignment, 378 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 6: and here's the list of goods I would like you 379 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 6: to send me after you've sold my tobacco. 380 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: If you went in to see Rutledge, you would go 381 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 2: into his store and meet with him and shake his hand. 382 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,679 Speaker 6: And they're the goods there so it's a personal connection, 383 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 6: but very different. It's a face to face personal connection 384 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 6: as opposed to one created in some cases when a 385 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 6: gentry boy went to England for schooling or perhaps just 386 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 6: maintain for generations through letter writing. 387 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: The contrast between John Chisel and Robert Rutledge was stark. 388 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 2: Chisel had been gifted much of his wealth from his father. 389 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 2: Later in our story, Rutledge would be called a Presbyterian fellow, 390 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: and that wasn't flattering. 391 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: No, one of the things that you probably noticed that 392 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: he's called a Presbyterian fellow a number of times. Did 393 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 4: anybody talk about that? Yeah, So it basically the idea 394 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 4: that it is an insult that that he is Scottish 395 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 4: because one of the things they hate, and I don't 396 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 4: if they went over this too, Scottish merchants. They hate 397 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: Scottish merchants because guess. 398 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 7: What they're good at it. 399 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, they're good at you know, they're good at at 400 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 4: at selling you stuff, They're good at bringing in their money. 401 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 7: They're good at it. 402 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 2: Scottish merchants hounded people like John Chisel for their money. 403 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 2: Merchants like Robert Rutledge were problematic and customers with no 404 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 2: money were problematic for merchants. No one was financially secure 405 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 2: because the gentry class continued to gild the lily, despite 406 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 2: warning signs that too much opulence, too much greed, would 407 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: threaten the colonies very fragile, unstable economy. Everyone in Virginia 408 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: was in trouble. Chisel was a member of the gentry class, 409 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 2: someone desperate to keep up appearances, so he made purchases 410 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 2: that he couldn't afford. 411 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 4: He is a representation of these guys, these upsight guys, 412 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 4: these guys who are not gentry having control over his life. 413 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 4: And that is scary, and it's scary not only to 414 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 4: him but to his peers. 415 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: Why is that though, because they become dependent on merchants. Yes, 416 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 2: so if the merchants don't play ball with the gentry, 417 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: then the gentry can't make money because now commoners and 418 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 2: everybody has options. 419 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 4: Is that what it is? But part of it's that, 420 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 4: But part of it is the idea that they're going 421 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 4: to be supplanted completely politically, politically, socially, economically completely. 422 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 5: Scots are not well liked here, and especially the upper 423 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 5: class who are supportive of King George. Scotts are rebels 424 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 5: barbarians and traders. And then on top of that, he's 425 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 5: a merchant. Merchants are there to get money, and they 426 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 5: are evil and they're going to cheat you anyway that 427 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 5: they can. 428 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: But wasn't John Chisel's father, Charles Chisel, a merchant from Scotland? 429 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: Also he was, but he was a member of the 430 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 2: gentry there too, And while Rutledge well off, the Chisels 431 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 2: had saved ungodly amounts of money until John Chisel took 432 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 2: over the family's finances. Rutledge and John Chisel appeared to 433 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: be at least pleasant to one another that day. They 434 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 2: smiled as Rutledge drank. Rutledge had arrived at the tavern 435 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: early that morning with a few friends, and he had 436 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: been drinking for much of the day. The local newspapers 437 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 2: reported that Chisel arrived toward evening, which was Virginian for 438 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 2: late afternoon. Chisel and Rutledge stood near each other as 439 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: the Scottish merchant picked up a glass. Chisel had decided 440 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: not to have any ale for now. Rutlige's friends milled 441 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 2: around the small room as the men laughed. The candles 442 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: flickered as the smoke from clay pipes grew thicker, and 443 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 2: the light outside became slightly dimmer. It wasn't easy to 444 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: see in the room, crowded with men shoulder to shoulder, 445 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: the fireplace burned wood, filling the outside with smoke. John 446 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: Chisel watched Robert Rutledge, the merchant with the seemingly simple life. 447 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: They were such different men. 448 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,400 Speaker 9: He's at the tavern, he's spending time with Robert Rutledge. 449 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 9: Robert Ruttledge, according to some of the other men there 450 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 9: that day, had been quote thrice drunk end quote at 451 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 9: the tavern. So he's a little bit what we would 452 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 9: call in the eighteenth century in his cups. But Colonel 453 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,479 Speaker 9: Chisel is sober. According to several different reports, Colonel Chisel 454 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 9: might go into the dancing room, he might go into 455 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 9: another room, but essentially, at one point he asks Robert 456 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 9: Rutledge to come back to the house that they're staying at. 457 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 9: Within that conversation, Colonel Chisel starts swearing at one point, 458 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 9: and Robert Rutledge mentions that it's a profane thing for 459 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 9: him to do. 460 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 2: In true crime, we often talk about triggers. There are 461 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 2: many times an inciting incident in someone's life causes them 462 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 2: to react or to act. When Robert Rutledge, a merchant, 463 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: corrected a proper gentleman like John Chisel for using profanities, 464 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 2: Chisel became enraged. 465 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 9: You have to understand, it wouldn't be as if you 466 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 9: or I, Kate, if you started swearing, or I started 467 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 9: swearing and I said, how knock it off. It's not 468 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 9: the same in the eighteenth century. The only equivalent I 469 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 9: can come up with is, let's say you're standing next 470 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 9: to the queen and the queen starts swearing, and you 471 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 9: tell the queen not to swear, Well, she doesn't have 472 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 9: to listen to you. It's not a footing on equals. 473 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 2: In his drunken state, Robert Rutledge had made a grave error. 474 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: Even though it seemed as if the merchant and Chisel 475 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 2: were friends, Rutledge, it seemed, had crossed a very important line. 476 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 9: They have a relationship, they have some sort of amiable relationship. 477 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 9: But Colonel Chisel is the elite. He is, as we've 478 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 9: called him, the old Guard. He is extremely well connected. 479 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 9: And so for a man to question a gentleman's conduct. 480 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 9: For Robert Rutledge, who's a merchant, to question Colonel Chisel, 481 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 9: who's a gentleman's conduct is a major social. 482 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: Faux pah, and it clearly infuriated John Chisel, who had 483 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 2: a reputation for being arrogant and quick tempered. 484 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 9: They begin to get into a fight, and at this 485 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 9: point words are thrown. More things are thrown later on, 486 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 9: but they start with words. 487 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 2: It might have been better to just have a fistfight 488 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: and be done with it, but Robert Rutledge had insulted 489 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 2: Chisel publicly, and now Chisel would return the favor. 490 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 9: So they start fighting back and forth, and eventually Colonel 491 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 9: Chisel calls him, Robert Rutledge a Scott, a Presbyterian fellow, 492 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 9: which in Virginia to be a Scott, a Scottish merchant, 493 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 9: the implications that you're stingy or miserly, and so it 494 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 9: is certainly an insult. 495 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 3: He tells him that he is a man who came 496 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: to Virginia to cheat Virginia men. He refers to him 497 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: as a Presbyterian fellow. 498 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 2: Robert Rutledge was livid. He knew what that insult meant. 499 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 2: Chissel was throwing his lowly status in Virginia back in 500 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 2: his face and in front of a tavern full of men, 501 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 2: including Rutledge's own friends. Chisel continued to berate him in 502 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: front of the entire tavern, embarrassing Rutledge and embarrassing himself. Finally, 503 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: Robert Rutledge had enough and their fight was about to escalate. 504 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 9: Robert Rutledge throws a glass of wine in Colonel Chisel's direction, 505 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 9: which quote some part of may have touched him. Whether 506 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 9: or not all of the wine hit him or not, 507 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 9: I cannot say. But if it's already a massive social 508 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 9: faux pas, to tell a gentleman he can't swear, to 509 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 9: throw wine in his face is really what sets Colonel 510 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 9: Chisel off. 511 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 2: Chisel flew into a rage. And just to be clear, 512 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 2: witnesses reported that John Chisel was perfectly sober. He hadn't 513 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: even started drinking yet. This was not a drunken, violent reaction. 514 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: It was about ego and honor. This seems like a 515 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: good time to bring up the honor code of the 516 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds and eighteen hundreds. We talked about this in 517 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 2: season five of tenfold The Family Feud in Virginia. When 518 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: a man was insulted, society's rules dictated that he could 519 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: only regain his reputation by fighting or killing the person 520 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: who dishonored him. The rules were more complicated than that, 521 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: but you get the idea. If you slided someone in 522 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: the smallest way, you might find yourself in a duel. 523 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: The Honor Code demanded that neither Chisel or Rutledge back down. 524 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: If they did, they would be publicly humiliated. 525 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 9: So at this point, Colonel Chisel starts throwing things back. Initially, 526 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 9: he tries to throw a bowl of bumbo. It's what 527 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 9: you know, is this really kind of nasty, hyper alcoholic punch. 528 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 9: It's a cheap punch if you want to get really drunk. 529 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 2: It was actually a toddy punch, but apparently it's very 530 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: similar to bumbo, which is a mixture of rum water, sugar, 531 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: and nutmeg. Politicians like George Washington used to pass out 532 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: cups full of bumbo to voters during elections. I tried some. 533 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 5: Not my thing. 534 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: Anyway. Chisel tried to hurl the punch bowl at Rutledge, 535 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: but he's surrounded by men who were grabbing at him, 536 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: trying to hold him back. 537 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 9: And I should mention that the tavern, the room there 538 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 9: in is very small, so it's a very packed, crowded, smoky, 539 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 9: smelly odorous sort of place where you have all these 540 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 9: men and gentlemen sitting around smoking pipes and drinking heavily 541 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 9: pungent alcohol and the reek of sweat. Because it's the 542 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 9: beginning of June. 543 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 2: Chisel broke free and threw a chair at Rutledge. The 544 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: chair missed. 545 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 9: Colonel Chisel responds by attempting to throw a candlestick and 546 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 9: bludgeon him over the head. Other people stop Colonel Chisel, 547 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 9: but he doesn't stop there. He goes and reaches for 548 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 9: fire tongs in the fireplace there's these heavy, hoarse pieces 549 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 9: of iron, and tries again to bludgeon Robert Rutledge. 550 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 2: Both men hurled insults and items at each other as 551 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: the other people in the small tavern tried to get 552 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 2: out of the way, but the room was very small. 553 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: Friends of both men struggled to stop each from hurting 554 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: the other, and soon Chisel was ready to put an 555 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 2: end to it. He bellowed to the enslaved person who 556 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 2: had been dragged along, get my sword. 557 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 3: And everyone else is saying no, no, no, don't do that, 558 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 3: don't do that. 559 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 9: He tells his enslaved man servant, get me my sword. 560 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 5: Now. 561 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 9: At this point the enslaved. Either boy or man in 562 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 9: question refuses, and when he refuses this from multiple accounts, 563 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 9: he says, I will kill you first if you don't 564 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 9: get me my sword right now. 565 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 3: Colonel Chisel then makes a loud proclamation to the room 566 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: that if he doesn't go get the sword, he will 567 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 3: run him through with it. And so his man goes 568 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 3: to get his sword. He brings it back to him. 569 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 3: I think the paper says it's naked, meaning it's unsheathed 570 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: at that time, and the two continue to tussle in 571 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: words across the room. 572 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: Seeing that sword, men inside the tavern began to approach Chisel, 573 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: pleading for him to put it down and go to bed. 574 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 2: Chisel swore that he would quote run any man through 575 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: the body of the sword who would dare to come 576 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: near him or offer to take the sword. That was 577 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 2: a pretty clear message to everyone in that tavern, except 578 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 2: Robert Rutledge, who was so drunk he could barely stand. 579 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 2: Chisel turned and glared at Robert Rutledge, his former friend, 580 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 2: and waved him away. He ordered him to leave the 581 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: tavern as if Rutledge were unworthy to stay in Chisel's 582 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 2: Since Rutledge was very drunk, He hiccuped and smiled, insisting 583 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: that he had no grudge against Chisel. Chisel screamed that 584 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: if he did not immediately get out, that he would 585 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: kill him. One of Rutlige's friends tried to draw him 586 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: toward the back of the tavern. Chisel and Rutledge were 587 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 2: about six feet away from each other at this point, 588 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 2: and the friend was fumbling for the key to the 589 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: door to escape. Chisel glared at Rutledge and hissed repeatedly 590 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: Presbyterian fellow. 591 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,240 Speaker 3: By some means. At some point they end up across 592 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 3: a table from one another. 593 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 2: Rutledge walked toward the table and retorted Fellow. He looked 594 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 2: at Chisel, smirked, and replied that he thought himself as 595 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: good a fellow as Chisel. 596 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 3: Doonel. Chisel very clearly lunges at Robert Rutledge, and. 597 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: Soon someone would die. But who and what what happened 598 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 2: to the killer? If the murderer were Robert Rutledge, we 599 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 2: can assume what would happen. He would be dragged to 600 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 2: the gallows and immediately hanged. But if the murderer was 601 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 2: John Chisel, would the gentry really allow one of their 602 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 2: own to be publicly executed. It's complicated. On the next 603 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 2: episode of tenfold more wicked on exactly right. 604 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 8: Robert Ratlidge, although he had done very well for himself 605 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 8: and had land and had done well in trade, he 606 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 8: wasn't of the right class. He wasn't of the ruling class. 607 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 9: There's a scuffle. There's an altercation. You can see from 608 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 9: the diagram. They moved from place to place around the 609 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 9: room until eventually you have Colonel Chisel on one side 610 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 9: of a table, Robert Rutledge on the other. 611 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 6: It's somebody of a lower social level. It's somebody from Scotland, 612 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 6: so you've grabbed that on one side. 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