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Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hi, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to curse this episode because I am so

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Speaker 1: passionate about it. WHOA, really, you're that fired up? You

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Speaker 1: started this well, you started this podcast not sounding fired up.

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Speaker 1: It sounded like very like hey, guys, like very like

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Speaker 1: you're about to walk us through like a meditation. I

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Speaker 1: like that you're fired up. I'm excited that you're fired up, Ashley.

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Speaker 1: Before we get going here, how's the week? Catch us

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Speaker 1: up on anything cool that happened to you this week? Oh,

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Speaker 1: you're so sweet. Um. I had gone to Vegas this week.

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Speaker 1: Um are our agent Paul. He had a little retreat there,

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Speaker 1: so it was cool. I got to hang out with him.

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Speaker 1: Bachelor fam arian Lauren, and we bonded over like baby

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Speaker 1: life and where we live and stuff like that because

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Speaker 1: we both live with like the you know, the husband's side.

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Speaker 1: We live in the state of the husband's side. And

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Speaker 1: then we I talked to Hannah Anne for the first time.

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Speaker 1: I got to meet Hannah and in person, and she's

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Speaker 1: so sweet, and we talked about her boyfriend and how

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Speaker 1: they're planning on doing a move soon and then let's

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Speaker 1: see who it was the Crystal. I talked to Crystal

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Speaker 1: with her new fiance Miles, and I talked about how

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Speaker 1: they got engaged and all that, and that's a good story.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to have Crystal and soon't talk about that.

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Speaker 1: They are so cute together and who am I missing it?

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Speaker 1: I saw the twins for the first time in a

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Speaker 1: long time, both being married ladies. They're both in Vegas.

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Speaker 1: But what's cool is that Emily and Haley are currently

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Speaker 1: living together. So Haley lives with Emily and Will because

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Speaker 1: her husband is in Sweden nine months out of the year,

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Speaker 1: so there's certain months out of the year she lives

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Speaker 1: with Emily, Emily and Will. Why isn't did she mention

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Speaker 1: why she's not make in the move to Sweden? Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't, actually, you know what, you'd think that would

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Speaker 1: be an obvious question to be like, Haylee, wyren't you

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Speaker 1: always with your husband over there? Maybe it has to

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Speaker 1: do with a visa thing, but like also she's really

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Speaker 1: you know, lonely during the season when he's away and

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Speaker 1: she hasn't nobody there and she's like in a home

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Speaker 1: by herself and all that, so I know she's she's

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Speaker 1: happier when she gets me with her sister and not

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Speaker 1: in a lonely house. That makes sense that I bet.

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Speaker 1: Hannah Ann mentioned how we met for the first time

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Speaker 1: at Maddie's. Oh she did. I was actually kidding. Oh no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: she definitely did. She was like I met Ben for

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Speaker 1: the first time last week. It was a great, really

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Speaker 1: sweet human, very very sweet human. Um and a lot

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Speaker 1: smaller than I expect. She's like just I'm notined her

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Speaker 1: to be tiny. Yeah, she's like Jess tall, which is

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Speaker 1: like a very tiny, tiny person. Um. But well, that's awesome.

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Speaker 1: That sounds like a great week. I'm assuming it really

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Speaker 1: went really well. Yes, it was great. It was so

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Speaker 1: it was so lovely. Well, there's something about bachelor family.

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Speaker 1: I say this every time. It's just like you just

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Speaker 1: click immediately. You can go so long without seeing each

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Speaker 1: other and there's always some common denominator. I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: feel that way. Sometimes I just feel out of place. Really, no, Ben,

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Speaker 1: you just are just too self conscious. Then, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: you just feel like, like you know Taylor Swift song

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Speaker 1: ants a hero. No, I don't you have to Okay,

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Speaker 1: you have to go listen to Anti Hero. Okay, that

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Speaker 1: your song. There is a line, can I read it

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Speaker 1: to you? I know that like our producers are gonna

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Speaker 1: be like, guys, there we have we have to hurry up.

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Speaker 1: But I actually need you to read this one lyric

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Speaker 1: to you because you're gonna relate so hard. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's your song, like she says in it, um, I

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Speaker 1: have a fear of getting older but not wiser. And

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Speaker 1: then this is the this is this is the verse

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Speaker 1: that I really feel like you we'll resonnate with. And

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Speaker 1: I hope I'm not being dramatic, but it says sometimes

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Speaker 1: I feel like everybody is a sexy baby. That's that's

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Speaker 1: supposed to be referring to, like, you know, hot TikTokers

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Speaker 1: I'm a monster on the hill, too big to hang out,

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Speaker 1: slowly lurching towards your favorite city, pierced through the heart

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Speaker 1: but never killed. You know, Taylor, I asked Justin, and

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Speaker 1: I said, what's I was like, is Taylor Swift? Like

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Speaker 1: what makes her so popular? And Jessica said her lyrics

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Speaker 1: just relate with a certain group of people. She's good. Huh, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm so pumped. You had a good time. It is

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Speaker 1: always fun seeing people from Bachelor Nation, and it's fun

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Speaker 1: being around them and hearing what they're up to and

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Speaker 1: hearing their stories. But you know, I haven't been around

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Speaker 1: see them. And uh, we got to talk about a

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Speaker 1: lot of people from Bachelor Nation right now, because Paradise

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Speaker 1: is still going. It is still going, and it is going,

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Speaker 1: and it is going and going and it is going,

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Speaker 1: and it is going to the point where there are

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Speaker 1: still new arrivals next week. This is strange. It's weird. Actually,

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Speaker 1: that's a little weird. I think it's kind of bizarre.

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, guys, stop, stop that stop. Can

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Speaker 1: we just get it down to a select few. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about today, a lot

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Speaker 1: to break down. A very emotional episode. I will say

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Speaker 1: it was less dramatic and more emotional for many, and

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Speaker 1: the responses on social media, Uh, we're very emotionally driven. Um,

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Speaker 1: some very strong opinions and thoughts coming out of this

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Speaker 1: episode for a couple of different reasons. We're going to

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Speaker 1: share our opinions well, because that's what we get paid

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Speaker 1: to do. And we're to talk about the episode right

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Speaker 1: here coming up after this break, All right, Ashley, let's

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Speaker 1: kick it off. Bachelor in Paradise is yes back. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It is a vacation of sorts because there's only one

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Speaker 1: episode this week, which I thoroughly enjoyed that fulfilled my

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Speaker 1: to the one episode exactly. And that's a good point.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's clarify this. It's not that I don't enjoy

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Speaker 1: watching Paradise. In fact, out of all the shows that

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Speaker 1: The Bachelor does, Paradise is enjoyable. For me. I'm seventy

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Speaker 1: of the time really really like watching it. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: just when it's so much, it gets exhausting and I

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Speaker 1: which is to you know, analyze and reflect and think

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Speaker 1: about certain moments because it's so long. Well, when it's

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Speaker 1: four hours, I mean, I know that's what the commercials included.

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Speaker 1: So for us, it's not exactly four hours, but that

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Speaker 1: is a big time dedication. So sometimes you're doing stuff

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Speaker 1: I never looked on my phone. It was really really nice.

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Speaker 1: But it's also because the content of this episode was strong,

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Speaker 1: and it was basically just the love triangle between Justin,

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Speaker 1: It was so emotional. And here's my big take away.

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Speaker 1: Should I just start off with a big takeaway? I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Eliza and Rodney moment um with Justin obviously is

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl to this episode. It is the climax. However,

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Speaker 1: So you wanna talk about the other parts first and

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Speaker 1: then we'll go into Yeah, I think that's the best

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Speaker 1: much time to break down the other segment. I really

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Speaker 1: want to start talking to you about Kate. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: kind of love Kate, now you love Yeah. I do

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Speaker 1: not want to be her friend. I definitely do not

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Speaker 1: want to date her, but I love watching her. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I would never set her up with somebody that I

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Speaker 1: am friends with. Yeah. Now, I think Kate is beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I think when she first came to the beach, she

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Speaker 1: is very inquisitive and you see her supporting people on

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Speaker 1: that where That's where it brings up my conversation with Logan.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the Logan situation Kate was was obviously

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Speaker 1: not kind to Logan, but I was very thrown off

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Speaker 1: with what she was upset with Logan about. It seems

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Speaker 1: like this whole episode was focused on Kate wanting to

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Speaker 1: if that is a thing. That's why it was hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever seen somebody so outwardly

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Speaker 1: don't want to be the soul breadwinner. Uh, those things

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Speaker 1: make sense. However, I think she was saying that to

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Speaker 1: not a healthy thought to marry somebody based on them

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Speaker 1: having six figures to give to their dog or owning

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you're stupid wealthy sometimes, so I have

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Speaker 1: never had that point of view. And you guys know

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Speaker 1: I'm honest about everything. Like that's just never been like

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Speaker 1: guy who gives off provider energy. It's kind of like

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Speaker 1: big Dick energy. You don't have to have the big Dick,

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Speaker 1: but I want you to have the energy. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: want you to act. Yeah exactly. So it's like I

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Speaker 1: a guy who wants to provide. Yeah, I want you

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Speaker 1: that new expression that she's created. Oh but see, I

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Speaker 1: saw it completely different. I just feel like she wanted somebody,

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Speaker 1: yes with provider energy, and also to take her on

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Speaker 1: trips and take her out to dinner and buy her things.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, Ben, you are correct, but that

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Speaker 1: she did, just like for all of us other girls

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Speaker 1: energy at the end, which I was like, we can

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Speaker 1: all get behind provider energy. But she definitely wants more

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Speaker 1: I want to I want Jessica to know I will

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Speaker 1: provide for her. Now. Granted, that doesn't mean that she

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Speaker 1: still can't have provider energy herself for me, or that

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Speaker 1: the girl can't make more under the umbrella of provider energy.

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Speaker 1: The girl can still make more. Definitely, I want Jessica

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Speaker 1: she'll be taken care of. I want her to know

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Speaker 1: that I want her every dream for a relationship and

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Speaker 1: And I want to help get you know, work with

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Speaker 1: and as we do that together. However, I kind of

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Speaker 1: up with her, but instead he goes, so remember how

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00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: I told you that I was falling in love with

427
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: you on the Jungle Walk, Come down the stairs. That's

428
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: what it is. Well, I lied, I can't. I can't,

429
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: I can't. I shouldn't have said that because I am

430
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: in love with you. And I was like, oh my god,

431
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: it's so fun to watch another thing that's like Torturius

432
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: to somebody else, which is poor Genevieve, but great for

433
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: us to watch. The Yeah, it's good for us to watch.

434
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: I thought he was hammered like and he might have been,

435
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: but that dude looked like he was like he was

436
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: like eight bourbons deep, couldn't get his words out. I mean,

437
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: I can't say he was now because I think he

438
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 1: was nervous and trying to get the right words that trigger.

439
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 1: He was sweaty in a way that you're not Paradise sweaty.

440
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: He looked like he was like emotionally. Yeah, so he

441
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: sat her out in the rain to do this, which

442
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: is I mean from this episode or from last episode,

443
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: I learned that people love sitting in the rain and

444
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 1: make it out. Um, well this, you know that was

445
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: pretty hot. You know, I get it, Like when Logan

446
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: and Kate did. It's like pretty exciting. Yeah, romantic picked

447
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: me up? Yeah, um, but yeah, it was a good scene.

448
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 1: I I don't know, Ash, I'm not convinced this that

449
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: the Aaron Genevieve relationship though still exists today. And I

450
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 1: don't know, Um, I'm just not convinced. You're not convinced.

451
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: You've hung out with her a few times, but not convinced. Well,

452
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: she never No, she was not flirtatious. I did not

453
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: ask them, and I think I said this. I did

454
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: not ask them really anything about Paradise or how it

455
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: played out, because it would be too hard for me

456
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: to do this show and no, and so we talked

457
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: a lot about where they're they where they were out personally, um,

458
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: you know with Rachel and genevieven Victoria, but we never

459
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: really spoke about like I had no clue that Victoria

460
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 1: had any dates in Paradise. Um let alone looks like

461
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: a pretty solid relationship with Johnny. So I don't I

462
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: don't know. It just it feels like it's healthy. But

463
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: it also to me feels so different than anything um

464
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: I've seen, because it is a little contentious that you

465
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: know it will it will make it to the end,

466
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: That's a question I have. I mean, it just takes

467
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: one more time for her to leave. Robert Mills tweeted

468
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: that this coming week that there will be a breakup

469
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: along the lines of Carly and Kirk. So, if you

470
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: guys remember Carly and Kirk, it seemed like it was

471
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: going good and all all of a sudden. So I

472
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: feel like, if I have to tag a couple that

473
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: will be that, I think it's going to be them. Yeah. Well, Ashley,

474
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 1: it's time to get to the big moment. It's the

475
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Eliza Rodney justin love triangle. Ashley, I'll let you because

476
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: you're fired up. I'll let you take this away, and

477
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kind of chime in. I don't have maybe

478
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: as strong thoughts as you do, but I'll be interested

479
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: to hear your Okay, it's not that complicated to explain.

480
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: She goes into a roast, you know, she goes into

481
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,240
Speaker 1: a cocktail party. She has to make her decision finally,

482
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: after this week of being confused between whether she's gonna

483
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: pick Justin or Ronnie. The entire cast is putting so

484
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: much pressure onto her picking Rodney, who they say is

485
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: ready for the relationship, that like just in love with her,

486
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: that will do anything to be with her, that is

487
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: just the ultimate romantic and gentleman. And they're like, Justin, Yeah,

488
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: he's fun, we all like him, we all want to

489
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: be friends with them, but we don't want you to

490
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: be with him. But then we see the two moments

491
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: with her and the guys, and to me from her side,

492
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: she seems just as into into both of them. I

493
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: think I said this last week and I'll say it again.

494
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: I think there's more of a physical connection that she

495
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: has attraction whatever to Justin. There's like a different light

496
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: in her eyes. I really think that she looks at

497
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: Ronnie like your stability, your husband material. But Justin is

498
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: like the guy that I just kind of want to

499
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: jump his bones right now. That's just my interpretation of

500
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: what I see. She certainly doesn't say this or allude

501
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: to this, but I'm just like picking up on body language.

502
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: But she's and I will say, Ronnie is super romantic.

503
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: He says all the right things. Heh It's just so sweet.

504
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: It's like, I get it. I get why the cast

505
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: wants her to be with him, for sure, for sure,

506
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: but I do feel like there's maybe a little bit

507
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: too much pressure, and you felt just there's something about

508
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: the editing that you felt like even though the first

509
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: I didn't know that she was going to pick him

510
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: at the Rose ceremony. Going into the Rose ceremony, I

511
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: was like, Gosh, too many people are saying gotty with Ronnie.

512
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: Got Ronnie, She's gonna pick Justin and it's gonna be

513
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: like poo Justin. And it's like, ah, that's what I

514
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: was expecting. But then it didn't go that way, and

515
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: then I was like, Oh, this isn't over. This is

516
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: not over. As soon as she went and walked just

517
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: into the car, I was like, she's going to ask

518
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: him back, She's gonna say I can't do that. She's

519
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: gonna want him to join the group again. That didn't happen,

520
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: but it eventually happened the next day once she just

521
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: kind of comes clean and says, the pressure got to me.

522
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: Everybody wanted me to be with Rodney, but my heart

523
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: isn't there, and it was really sad. So most people

524
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: listening have watched this scene play out, and what I

525
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: want to do now is take some time to dig

526
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: into our opinions on this situation. Be think it's important.

527
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: So my opinion was that she was pressure too much. Yeah,

528
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: I think, and she said it, and I think when

529
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: she said it it to the girls, I think it

530
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: made a lot more sense to me. I feel I

531
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: feel for Liiesa there, I feel for Rodney and and

532
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: and ultimately, uh, he is a tremendous dude. I mean,

533
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: that's two seasons now he's been on This is hard

534
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: to do, trust me. I mean I was. I had

535
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: a lot of friends when I was on the Bachelor.

536
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I didn't make a lot of friends when I was

537
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. I hope I still say this today. I

538
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: hope the women that left that show, Um, you know

539
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: know that I tried my best and that I tried

540
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: to respect the whole situation well and them well, and

541
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I hope they feel like, yeah, that was a decent season.

542
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: If anything to be on that that was worth me

543
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: going on. And I remember an opening night. I don't

544
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: think they showed it, but my very first speech to

545
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: them was, I don't know how to do this thing.

546
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I have no clue how this is going to play

547
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: out here. But my hope, my only hope, is that

548
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: everybody that comes that's sitting in the room in front

549
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: of me now leaves this going You're glad you did

550
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 1: it for whatever reason you did this for. And I

551
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 1: think even with that mentality there, you still get people

552
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: that don't like you. That happens in life. Somehow Rodney

553
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: has made it through two seasons with everybody absolutely adoring

554
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: this villa, and I think it's clear why he's the

555
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: great dude. Yeah, but people, people on the beach are crying.

556
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: It was like somebody died. It was so crazy. I've

557
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: never seen some I've never seen a cast so upset

558
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: about somebody else's heartbreak. It was so sweet, it was lovely.

559
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: I love seeing it. It really is a testament of

560
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: what kind of human he is. And this is what

561
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: This was the moment that made me say, well, there's

562
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: actually multiple moments with Rodney that made me say I

563
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: have to curse on this podcast today. Why the isn't

564
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: he the Bachelor? That's a good question. That's a good question.

565
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: So like, it just doesn't make any sense because the

566
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: producer and they knew of this moment, of this situation

567
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: before picking Zach. This moment happened in June. They knew

568
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: that the cast is gonna be this distraught over it,

569
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: They knew that the audience is going to root for

570
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: him so hard, and then they chose Zack. Really nobody

571
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: felt anything intensely for And they also knew that this

572
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: moment was going to be shown in November, very close

573
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: to the premiere of The Bachelor, and people would have

574
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: been so excited and felt so much better going into

575
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: the Bachelor's season or they feel so much better watching

576
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Paradise knowing, ah, this is why he's the Bachelor. Oh,

577
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: this guy deserves the Bachelor. It doesn't make any sense

578
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: to me. Actually, he is, he is the perfect choice.

579
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: He is this this is what's confused me these days

580
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: with the show is he's like the golden gift, right,

581
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like handed to them on a silver platter,

582
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: being like, do you want somebody that people are gonna watch?

583
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: Do you want somebody that people are gonna root for?

584
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Do you want somebody that people are gonna be emotionally

585
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: invested into? Do you want somebody it's a good dude

586
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: that most people really gaging. He's fun to watch, he's

587
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: magnetic ally, we got that, but we don't want that.

588
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: We want this dude. It's very confused to me. I

589
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: would have a feeling that Rodney's time on this show

590
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: is not done. He is still their gift to be

591
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. If he is not the next bachelor after this,

592
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna be very confused. He is the best candidate

593
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: we've had. The time passes and it doesn't make it

594
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: doesn't make you feel as much. We don't need the

595
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: time passing, And maybe that they really wanted us to

596
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: be invested on him through Paradise. They wanted him to

597
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: be the star of Paradise. Sure, but you make a

598
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Culton and Nick the bachelor after their seasons of Paradise

599
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: and you're not going to go and give us the

600
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: gift of Rodney as the Bachelor, like you've done it before.

601
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: You've spoiled your Paradise season in in respect of having

602
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: the better and it worked out good ratings, right, Most

603
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: seasons had good ratings, a lot of engagement, a lot

604
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: of crossover. Actually, I'm with you. I think most people

605
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: are with you. Um. I to kind of put a

606
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: bow on this though, because obviously we we both agree

607
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: strongly that Rodney should have been the bachelor, should be

608
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, start filming over again. I'm sure a lot

609
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: of people would be fine with it. Make him the

610
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: bachelor and just film this thing in a month. I

611
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: don't care, just show him on ours again. Whatever. But

612
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I do want to just mention because I think, um

613
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: and I didn't see a lot of it. I'm glad

614
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: I did. You have to imagine the really difficult situational

615
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: Eliza was in. She did nothing wrong. Um oh yeah,

616
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: this is nothing against Eliza, and I love the fact

617
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: that the girls were so supportive of her when they

618
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 1: were on the bed. They're like, go get your man,

619
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: go get your man, like you know, you have to

620
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: follow your heart like that. And I'm just so glad

621
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: that they weren't like, what are you thinking, Yeah, this

622
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: is one of those moments on Paradise. Actually that it's

623
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 1: sad and it's hard to watch and we don't want

624
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: anybody to be involved in it because but it's it's

625
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: what makes this show, and it's made this show from

626
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: The Bachelor and The Bachelor and Bachelor in Paradise. It's

627
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: what's kept it around for twenty plus years. Are these

628
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: moments where there's no there's no secret here that real

629
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: love existed and that real feelings were being you know, communicated,

630
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: and that some one of these people believe that their

631
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: partner forever was in on that beach with them. We've

632
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: seen it on The Bachelor before. We've seen on The Bachelor,

633
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: we've seen The Bachelor Paradise. Those moments that stick out

634
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: to us. This is what makes the show great. These

635
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 1: are the moments that we need to bring back because

636
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: they're always available because people fall hard if we allow

637
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: them to fall hard. Um, and we haven't seen it

638
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Speaker 1: in years. We haven't seen these dramatic scenarios where yes

639
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: we've seen breakups, Yes we've seen some twists and turns

640
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: at the end, but have we really seen something in

641
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: years where we have been so convinced that one of

642
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: the people really believes, like truly believes that their partner

643
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: is on the show with them, that there their heart

644
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: is in it, that the love exists. We haven't seen it,

645
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: and I've missed it. This is hard to watch. Again.

646
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't enjoy watching it. But what's It's what keeps

647
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: me watching the show. That was a beautiful tribute. No,

648
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: thank you? Well, yes, it was a great diet tribe.

649
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Well it is and I feel

650
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: like that towards Brandon and Serene too. Yeah. I have

651
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: a feeling we're not going to see tears there, so

652
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: we're just gonna see good love love. Let's talk about

653
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: the teaser for next week. We see Eliza going to Baltimore,

654
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: which is definitely forsake of drama because at the time

655
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: that Rodney is finding out that Eliza is going to

656
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: go after Justin, he's definitely still at Vendanta. Yeah, Justin,

657
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: Justin said one of the rooms, you usually don't leave

658
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: the day after the rose ceremony. They used like one

659
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: buffer day. I figured Justin was still there. And even

660
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: if there's any hesitance you know, the producers were going

661
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, hold him, hold him there and

662
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: now they but like, nope, they send them home. Their

663
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: flights are probably within hours apart. They might be on

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Speaker 1: the same flight. But I love it. I love it

665
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: for the drama and I can't wait to see his

666
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: reaction because he seems more puzzled than happy. We'll have

667
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. Okay, um, let's go

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Speaker 1: onto headlines and then we'll wrap it back up. All right, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: it's time for Bachelor headlines. We have a couple of

670
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: them this week, A couple of them to break down,

671
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Speaker 1: a couple of them. I need your opinion on uh

672
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: and uh in your opinion more of what in the

673
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: world is happening? Uh. Jesse Palmer says Gabby Windy and

674
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Eric are trying to quote work through things after broken engagement.

675
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna call h And again, you guys. Fanna was

676
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: on our Breaking News podcast last week and we told

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00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: you about the breakup between Gabby and Eric and Hannah

678
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: so that she had seen him out and about in

679
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Santa Monica, which is where he moved just prior to

680
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. He was out with buddies and blah blah blah,

681
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: and well this weekend, right after the announcement of the breakup,

682
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: she saw him out again. What did you see? Oh,

683
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: you didn't see him. Your friends saw him. Our other producer,

684
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: Kendall Cohen, sent me a million pictures of him out

685
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: and about, and he was with the lady, was living life,

686
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: living life with ladies around him. It looked like he

687
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: was broken up. You've got me for good. Yeah, that's

688
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: what I'm just gonna say. It looks like they're working

689
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: through things. Huh, really working through things. My goodness. All right.

690
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: Next headline is this Bachelor Nation's Emily Maynard chairs baby

691
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Speaker 1: number six was born with Down syndrome. She speaks about

692
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: this with e I'm so happy for Emily. She just

693
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: seems to be the best mom, serious say, the best.

694
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: She's to me, like my idle bachelorette who I've never met,

695
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: And I just think she's such a wonderful spirit and

696
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: soul and I love watching her and her family grow.

697
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: So she never announced that she was having another baby,

698
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: but then just last week she said that on August

699
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Speaker 1: thirty one, Tyler and I welcomed our sweet son, their

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00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: sixth child. First off, like, can we just give a

701
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: moment to breathe after six kids? My goodness, yeah, my goodness,

702
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, Ricky, her daughter is old enough now to

703
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: like probably take a little bit of a I don't

704
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: want to say par rental role, but a big help roll. Yeah.

705
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: So Jones West Johnson entered the world on August thirty one,

706
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 1: and she said, during my surgery, which I think she's

707
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: referring to a C section, but I'm not sure there. Um,

708
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: she goes, we learned that he was born with Down syndrome. Um,

709
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: and it was certainly a surprise. I didn't do genetic testing.

710
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: And she goes, we have so much peace in God's

711
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: perfect plan, and now that Jones is going to be

712
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: a blessing to our family. She said that he was

713
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: in the neo natal intensive care unit for a little

714
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: over a month and is now home and she just

715
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: couldn't love him more. Um, and she's just so thankful

716
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: for everything that the Atrim Health Leave in Children's Hospital

717
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: in Charlotte did for them during that time. Um, he's

718
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: such a cutey, He's such a CUTEI so um, I'm

719
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: excited to see how he in light you know, just

720
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: brings joy to their family. You know it's uh, it

721
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: is wild to have six kids. I cannot imagine it.

722
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: But she is a tremendous mother. Uh and uh and

723
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: you know what, congratulations on their six child together. Actually

724
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: switching gears a lot here. This is one um that

725
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: I needed your opinion on Bachelination stars Greg Grippo and

726
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: Victoria Fuller spark dating rumors. And then the second headline

727
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: is this Victoria Fuller kisses Greg Grippo at dinner with

728
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: Nick Vile and more Bachelor Nations members. Now, the only

729
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: reason we're even talking about this, Yes, they were spotted

730
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: in Rome together and so we have a good idea together.

731
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: Is that? Hut? Well that Nick posted this, He outed

732
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: the couple on his social media twice, Ashley, Really weird,

733
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: isn't that odd? I mean, do you think there was? Okay?

734
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: So there's a couple of rumors that I looked up

735
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: before this. Uh. You know one is just Nick was,

736
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, doing his thing and and sparking a rumor

737
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: on his own social right. The second is that people

738
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: believe that maybe the producers we're working with Nick to

739
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: spark this and get the reaction. I don't see why

740
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: that would be beneficial to the show, but it is

741
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: a theory. Um. Yeah, we don't want to spoil like

742
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: too much here on the podcast. Obviously you guys can

743
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 1: look up spoilers as to what at the reunion show,

744
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: which taped on Friday. The first headline here is more

745
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: of like a like one of it's ex subtle, Okay,

746
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: So basically Victoria posted a picture and she said, go

747
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: on and put on that dress that all the bad

748
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 1: boys like, and then Greg responded underneath good girl. So

749
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: obviously that's on their own. That's them sparking the dating

750
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: rumors on their own. But then them being out and

751
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: about and being so obvious one in public and to

752
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 1: kissing on camera, and you know that, like, Nick didn't

753
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: do that without approval. There's no way he didn't do

754
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: that without it. But he did that with approval from

755
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: definitely Victoria and Greg. And I can't imagine Nick going

756
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: and pissing off the producers like that. So I feel

757
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: like there has to be some sort of overall approval

758
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: on this romance coming out. Yeah, it's a it's surprising

759
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: to me. When I saw it, I was like, this

760
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: is uh, yeah, this is surprising, if anything, that Nick

761
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: would be posting about this. I don't know. I'm not

762
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the details of this. I

763
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: just know that if I was dating somebody personally and

764
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: one of my friends posted a video knowing that people

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00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: were going to speak about it and talk about it,

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00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: and I was gonna have to be answering to it,

767
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I would be upset because I would want. I mean,

768
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: when when Jessica and I were dating for you know,

769
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: I think four months before we became public or three

770
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: months before we became public, we did it on our

771
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: own time and what felt healthiest to us and what

772
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: felt like we were ready for. So I would be

773
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: shocked if there wasn't approval um from by Nick uh

774
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: for this post. And I don't think we have any

775
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: comments from Victoria greg on the video being shared. But

776
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: also my question is this why wanted the two of

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00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: them just want? I mean, if this is all about

778
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: like getting social media attraction and getting people to like show,

779
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: like be on your social media, one of the two

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00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: of them want to make this announcement or like post

781
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: this little video. My theory is this they want a

782
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: pepper in little hints and not be super obvious to

783
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: the math population that watches The Bachelor in Paradise. Yeah,

784
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: I think that they want to like kind of warm

785
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: the audience up to being like, this is happening. She's

786
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: not with Johnny, So even though you're about to see

787
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: a few more weeks of her possibly with Johnny on

788
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: the show, don't get attached to that storyline. But I

789
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: also don't think they wanted to be a big fat

790
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: spoiler for people who don't necessarily look for deep cuts

791
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: on social media. Okay, well, um, interesting developments playing out there,

792
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: and we're gonna see what's going on. Well, a couple

793
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: final headlines is here. Jesse Palmer teases that Zach season

794
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: of The Bachelor is easily the most emotional journey I've hosted.

795
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: He says this, according to This Weekly, I think he's

796
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: hosted this will be this is what third season? So yeah,

797
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: me too, me too, me too. He's a great little

798
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: puppet in this moment. Yeah. Um yeah, So he hosted

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00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Clayton season and then uh the Girl's Double season and

800
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: then Paradise. So okay, it's more emotional than Clayton season.

801
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Clinton season got it pretty emotional there.

802
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: His here of his here his quotes that we don't

803
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: necessarily really believe because we are a little mad at

804
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: the fact that Zach is the bachelor over Ronnie at

805
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: the moment, But here we go. The women are really

806
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: into Zack. Zack so emotionally mature, and he's the guy

807
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 1: that's not afraid to wear his emotion on his sleeve.

808
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: He's very, very intentional. This is easily the most emotional

809
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: show that I've hosted in the franchise. It's going to

810
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: be emotionally charged, and it's because everybody really wants this.

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Speaker 1: It's a totally different vibe than the other shows that

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00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: I've hosted. I think he's doing amazing. I can't wait

813
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: people for people to see his journey. I don't know

814
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: how do you get more emotional than last night when

815
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: the whole cast is crying. I have no idea, but

816
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be excited to see because we'll be

817
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: watching it because that's what we do here at the

818
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: Almost Fame podcast. We we break it down, we share

819
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: opinions right or wrong, and what we're feeling and thinking

820
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: at the time. Well, Ashley, that's all we got for

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Speaker 1: everybody today. We'll be back next week. With another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Almost Famous Podcast, unless some other breaking news

823
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: pops up this week and you know, we record a

824
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Speaker 1: special episode. But until next time, I've been Been, I've

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Speaker 1: Been Ashley, See you guys. Follow the Benn and Ashley

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Speaker 1: I Almost Famous Podcast on I Heart Radio or subscribe

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