1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Favor production of iHeart Radio. I'm 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we have 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: an episode for you about tupperware. Yes, and it's surprisingly 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: fun and fascinating. It is super I mean, like I 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: knew it was a cultural phenomenon and I had I 6 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: had some idea, but I didn't have this much of 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: an idea. Yeah. Oh no, me either. Was there any 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: reason this one was on your on your mind? Was there? 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: It was so long ago? Two days? Yeah? No, my 10 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: mind is completely blank. Um. So that yeah, yeah, maybe 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: maybe I was. Maybe I was putting up some food 12 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: or something I do have, um, especially in these are 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: pandemic times. I've been ordering a lot of delivery and 14 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: take out, and so I have a growingly horrifying collection 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: of of takeout containers, reusable takeout containers, um that I've 16 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: been trying to donate to like like free fridge programs 17 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, like people who are packing up 18 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: meals to to to to donate. But I feel like, 19 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: as much as I do that, there's still just all 20 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: of this plastic in my household. So maybe maybe I 21 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: was looking at that and going like an episode is here. Yeah, 22 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 1: you never know, it'll spark that that inspiration for these topics. Um. 23 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: I certainly I have a tupperware cabinet, um, and it 24 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: is a nightmare. I don't think I've ever purchased any 25 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: tupperware in my entire life, but I just end up 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: with it, usually from my mom because every time I 27 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: visit her, she insists on giving me so much food. 28 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm like walking out the door and she's like, take 29 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: this and also this, and they're just stacked up in 30 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: my arms. Um, which is great, But I just have 31 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: a tower of tupperware I have, Like you opened the 32 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: cabinet and it's a real risk that's just gonna fall 33 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: on you to the door. I have the tupperware that 34 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: I'm determined to give back to her because it's like 35 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: it's got designs on it. She gives it is it 36 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Is it actual tupperware brand or some of it is, 37 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: but it is rubber made. I was looking last night. Yeah, 38 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: I am. I am pretty sure that I have like 39 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: precisely two actual tupperware containers. Both of them are from 40 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. Neither of them have neither um sewing 41 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: supplies and other craft supplies yeah. Yeah, but I have 42 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 1: bought reusable foods to orange containers for myself, um, because 43 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: they're good to have. But I but I've never bought 44 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: actual tepperware. And now I'm like I have. In doing 45 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: in doing reading for episodes like this, I wind up 46 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: on brand websites, like pouring over their catalogs and finding 47 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: nine eight things that I'm like, oh I could use that? 48 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: What a good color way? Yeah? Yeah, and I suppose 49 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: that's a good We're not sponsored currently interested YEA fascinating, fascinating. 50 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: They have like like specialized like cheese keepers called called 51 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: cheese smart containers. I know, and I'm like, hey, that's 52 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: a really silly pun or like not pun but like 53 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: play on words. But but be like, I do need 54 00:03:56,120 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: to keep my cheese specifically she sneeze to be preserved 55 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: for as long as possible and the best condition as possible. Yes, anyways, anyway, yes, um. Also, 56 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: I totally forgot about tupperware parties. Um until we were 57 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: doing this research. I had heard of them, um, and 58 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: I had a friend who did similar Her mom would 59 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: invite us two similar things. So I went to like 60 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: a hampered chef. Oh yeah, I've been to one of 61 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: those Oh yeah, oh I remember was the food was good? 62 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: That's literally all I remember. Um. And then I once 63 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: in high school I sold knives and a similar kind 64 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: of thing. I'm not sure how or why, Like I 65 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: don't recall someone called me on the phone and then 66 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: my friends started doing it. She convinced me to start 67 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: doing it like an MLM. I didn't pay anybody anything, 68 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: but I was not good at sailing the knives. These 69 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: older women were like, who is this young one? And 70 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: why does she have knives in my house? So I 71 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: didn't last really long, didn't make very much money. But yeah, yeah, 72 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: I never I never got ripped into any of that. 73 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: I mean other than like for school fundraisers or whatever 74 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: it was. But I never got roped into anything like that. 75 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: And I this is this actually mentioning that is that 76 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: the pamper chef thing is bringing back the specific memory 77 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: of this one friend or like or like acquaintance I 78 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: suppose who never invited me to anything except her MLM parties. 79 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: And I was like, and I'm still sore about it. 80 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: This was like fifteen years ago. That's okay, hold on 81 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: to those grudges. I don't think there's anything wrong perfectly healthy. 82 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm definitely yeah. I mean that's not great. Um, neither, 83 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: it's fine, it's fine. Yeah. And I before we get 84 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: into this one, I know we recommend this a lot, 85 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of really great historical photos 86 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: for tupperware in the history of tupperware, So if you're 87 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: the least bit interested, I recommend looking them up. Yeah, 88 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: yet again, I will say, and who knows, maybe this 89 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: time it will happen. Um, I'll try to post on 90 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: social some links to some resources because there are some 91 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: really great museum collections and and yeah, yeah, like historical 92 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: promotional photos and some really some genuinely beautiful pieces. And 93 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: also just I am a little bit obsessed with the 94 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: style of mid century America because it was it was 95 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:44,119 Speaker 1: a whole thing. It was absolutely the whole thing. Yeah. 96 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: But okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah. We're 97 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: hypothetically a food show. We're hYP here to talk about 98 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: this food adjacent product. So yeah, so let's get to 99 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: your questions. Tupperware. What is it? Well? Uh, Tupperware is 100 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: a brand of mostly plastic based products designed for home 101 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: kitchen use, from reusable food and drink storage to handheld 102 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: tools like can openers and spiralizers to cook wear like 103 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: microwave steamers and silicone baking trays, to h to serving 104 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: wear like bowls and utensils. They specialize in minimalist designs 105 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: and bright poppy colors. From an ad from the nineteen sixties, 106 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Tupperware is the wonderful family of plastic food containers with 107 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: the exclusive air tight seal that locks out air locks 108 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: in all of foods, freshness, flavor, and aroma. It keeps 109 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: leftovers just cooked fresh for days. And that's that's what 110 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: tupperware is kind of. It's it's very mid century vibes, 111 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: practical and pretty. Yeah, and I'll give you points that 112 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: Transatlantic adjacent adjacent straight up, but it was there. I 113 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: didn't go super far into it, but yeah, it's well, 114 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: you know, you know in in the sixties you were 115 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: transitioning a little bit away from that anyway, um oh uh. 116 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: These days, Tupperware products are made from a few different 117 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: kinds of plastics generally considered to be food safe, including 118 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: low density polyethylene um that's plastic number four, and polypropylene 119 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: which is plastic number five. These materials are considered dishwasher 120 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: and microwave safe. Uh. And it is such a well 121 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: known brand that the name is sometimes used as a 122 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: generic term for sealable reasonable food storage plastics, which is 123 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: why Annie, I asked you, like, is it actual facts 124 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: tupperware brand or right? Um, and it's it's just it's 125 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: a huge it's a it's a huge part of like 126 00:08:54,679 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: of like the collective cultural consciousness of of Americana from 127 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: the twentieth century. Um, like it was featured in like 128 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: like the mom and all in the family held a 129 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: Tupperware party one time. It was. It showed up in 130 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: Napoleon Dynamite. Um, it showed up in American Horror Story. 131 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: There's a Seinfeld episode I Am Shocked. I Am Shocked, 132 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: and mr a reference where where Kramer has started carrying 133 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: his own tupperware container to take his leftovers from restaurants 134 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: home and and then he kindly gives his leftovers to 135 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: this houseless man and then the and then the guy 136 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: refuses to give him the tepperware container back, and Kramer 137 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 1: is very mad about it. It starts this whole feud. Yeah, 138 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: I remember, I can't believe this. Lord. Yeah. First I 139 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: first I steal an aphrodisiac reference from you. And then 140 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: as Seinfeld reference. I am falling down on the job here, 141 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: on my very specific niche of the job. I am 142 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 1: falling down. It's okay, I'm just I'm just supporting. I'm 143 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: just supporting you. We're it's a team, teamwork, we're working. 144 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't want a reference to be missed. So sure, 145 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 1: I'm happy that you caught me where I fell a 146 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: trust fall, trustin Feld fall, and you were there always 147 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: always mm hmmmm. Well what about the nutrition don't eat 148 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: don't eat typer word, Yeah, solid advice. Yeah, if you 149 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: are concerned about the safety of of plastics as is fair, 150 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: that's fair. Um yeah, I would. I would say that 151 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: out of if you're being extremely cautious, like like overabundance 152 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: of caution, as the saying goes these days, Um, don't 153 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: don't microwave food in plastics of any kind. Um, if 154 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: you're if you're being extremely cautious, microwave food and not 155 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: plastic glass is glass is nonreactive? That's great? Um so 156 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: uh yeah, But but the science is really tricky and 157 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: um still being investigated and the the subject of a 158 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: whole other episode or series of episodes or podcast perhaps, 159 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: so more researchers needed. More research is needed. The human 160 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: body is complicated. Yeah, favorite slogan. Maybe I'll step in 161 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: on your uh huh um, we do have some numbers 162 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: for you. Tupperware is available in over one countries, with 163 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: localized items like plastic binto boxes in Japan or more 164 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: solid keeper in India, which I found really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. 165 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: After flagging sales for a while, as of the early 166 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: two thousands, tupperware parties were making something of a comeback, 167 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: and internationally as well. The French we're hosting some five 168 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: d and twenty thousand tupperware parties a year, and uh, 169 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: denizens of Delhi alone. In in India we're holding three 170 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: thousand a week. Wow, now that blew my mind. This 171 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: is still yeah, yes, I think it's fun. Yeah. Nearly 172 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: two point six billion dollars of tepperware products are sold 173 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: a year, and that is not including the sales of 174 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: vintage pieces to collectors. Apparently, single pieces of vintage tupperware 175 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: can go for up to about twenty dollars, full lines 176 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: for up to about seventy five, depending on the condition, 177 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: the colorway, all that kind of stuff. Um. The most 178 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: sought after color of vintage tupperware is pink because it 179 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: faded so easily, so good condition pink pieces are rare 180 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: UM and the most sought after set is the salt 181 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: and pepper shakers, which can go for two hundred bucks. Wow, 182 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: and you can see her. We did a whole thing 183 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: on our salt. Yeah. Yeah, people collecting those. Yeah. According 184 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: to PBS American Experience Quote, every two point five seconds, 185 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: a Tupperware party is held somewhere in the world, and 186 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: there are some two point nine million Tupperware brands salesforce 187 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: members running those parties. Woof uh of US homes owned 188 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: at least one piece of Tupperware by the ninety nineties. 189 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: And there is a museum of Tupperware at the company 190 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: headquarters in Kissimme, which is near Orlando, Florida. Um. It 191 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: includes a statue of a seal okay because of tupper 192 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: were ceiling. Yeah, you feel the tupperware so top tuppy. 193 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: The Tupperware seal is this is this is its name. 194 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: The statue is actually of a sea lion. But but 195 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: you know who's who's counting. Um. This this museum is 196 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: called the Tupperware Confidence Center. Oh, that sounds like a 197 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: retreat you go to learn about synergy and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, 198 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 1: supposedly if you ask, um, you might be able to 199 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: see a Tupperware casket that was produced as a joke 200 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: one off for a retiring executive in the nineteen eighties. 201 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Supposedly this might be an urban myth. I'm not totally sure. Oh, listeners, 202 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: if you've been oh my gosh, you've got to let 203 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: us know. Yeah, yes, yes, I couldn't personally find photographic 204 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 1: evidence of this casket, so but I've been at know, 205 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: I read a lot about it anyway. Um, but yeah, 206 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: other other collections of Tupperware and company ephemera and pieces 207 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: of machinery are kept in museums around the world. Yes, 208 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: and as you said, Lauren, this was a really big 209 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: piece of kind of Americana, especially from this time. And 210 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: so there are several books written about it. It's at 211 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: least one documentary. Yeah, it's it was. It was more, 212 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: it was. It was better documented than I had any idea. 213 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: Like again, like I knew it was a big thing. 214 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was this pick oh. Yes, And 215 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: we have a lot of history about just how it 216 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: got to be this big. We do, and we're going 217 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: to get into that as soon as we get back 218 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: from a quick break for a word from our sponsor. 219 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: Every back, Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. So humans 220 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: have a long history of getting creative with containers, sure, 221 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: and it has been a problem throughout history that I 222 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: think we've addressed in several several episodes, like things from 223 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: pie or just baking in general. Yeah, so it has 224 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: been a thing. Sure. Sure, How do you how do 225 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: you hold and carry around and preserve food is a 226 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: big part of food exactly. So let's get specifically to 227 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: tupperwar Earl Silas Tupper was born in New Hampshire in 228 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: nineteen seven to Lulu and Earnest. Lulu took in laundry 229 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: and borders. Earnest was a farmer um. Earl's family moved 230 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: to Central Massachusetts a year later, where he grew up 231 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: inventing and experimenting with things, including a fish powered boat, 232 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: which is very funny in the context of recent news 233 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: about a fish powered vehicle that has made a lot 234 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: of headlines. Yes, had his time in many ways. Yes, indeed, 235 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: he invented hundreds of things. Again, if you are the 236 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: slightest bit interested, you can find a list of some 237 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: of the stuff he invented and it is quite funny 238 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 1: and just wide ranging and really fascinating, so I recommend it. Um. 239 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: From a young age, he was really driven. At the 240 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: age of ten, he went door to doors selling the 241 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: families produce. He came from a poor family, but he 242 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: dreamed of being rich in n He wrote in his 243 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: school essay, what a time we would have if we 244 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: had plenty of money. Uh. He struggled to graduate high school, 245 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: but he did in After that, he took a few 246 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: odd jobs and became convinced that advertising was what the 247 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: future held, that was where the money was. Yeah. Yeah. 248 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: He tried to convince his parents, who had a greenhouse 249 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: that sold geraniums, to build a free child eild's playground 250 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: on their premises. Um, but they did not get on board. However, 251 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: several people pointed out again this might be an instance 252 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: where he was ahead of his time, right, like like 253 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: that that marketing angle of like like if you could 254 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 1: convince people to come hang out here, then sure exactly 255 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: To make money, he founded a landscaping business and in 256 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: one he married May Whitcomb and they went on to 257 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: have five children together. Putting that aside for a second, okay, 258 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: World War two sparked innovation in a lot of areas 259 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: that is something else we've discussed a lot, including in 260 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: the plastics industry, and much of that plastics industry was 261 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: located in central Massachusetts in these early days, an area 262 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: that pivoted to plastics in the nineteenth century. Once the 263 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: war came to an end, manufacturers scrambled to find out 264 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: how how they could leverage these products and technologies that 265 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: they came up with during the war to suit non 266 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: wartime needs, and Tupper was a part of that. Tupper's 267 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: landscaping business filed for bankruptcy in nineteen thirty six, and 268 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: he got a job at a local plastics factory subsidiary 269 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: of DuPont Yeah Yes, and he worked there for a 270 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: year before he founded his own company in ninety eight 271 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: called Tupper Plastics. And with World War Two looming at 272 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: that time, during the brand's early years, they mostly subcontracted 273 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: with DuPont to to make parts for yeah, these wartime 274 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: goods like gas masks and jeeps. Yes, and in Tupper 275 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: got his hands on some polyethylene manufactured by DuPont during wartime, 276 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: along with some molding machines, and this polyethylene was what's 277 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: called in the industry slag. Um. It's a it's a 278 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: waste by product of the refinement of crude oil into plastics, 279 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: and it's opaque, black and oily and smelly. But um, 280 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: it's also really durable and uh and and flexible. And 281 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,959 Speaker 1: so he set out to create odorless, transparent, and colorful 282 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: plastics from it that could be suitable for consumer use 283 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 1: right maintaining that flexibility and durability. And he loved this stuff. 284 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: He called it polly t the material of the future. Yes, 285 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: I love it um. After about a year's worth of 286 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: experimenting UM, he created the Wonder Bowl with the Burping 287 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: seal in nineteen forty six, and he got inspiration for 288 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: the seal from pink cans um. Airtight, watertight, double sealed 289 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: easily on sealed with a simple press. He went on 290 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: to receive a patent for this design in ninety seven 291 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: and he got to design awards for it. He opened 292 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: a showroom in New York and began selling his products 293 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: in department stores. It was advertised for both the refrigerator 294 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: UM and this was when more people were getting refrigerators 295 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: in their homes and for outdoor entertaining, and a magazine 296 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: at the time called it quote fine Art for thirty nine. Since, yeah, 297 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: it was kind of a big deal in the design 298 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: world when this came out, Like MoMA the Museum of 299 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Modern Art put a few pieces from that original line 300 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: in an exhibit around that time. UM it was it 301 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: was a part of the modernism movement. UM kind of 302 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: sleek and restrained. And other brands got excited about this 303 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 1: innovation too, and ordered custom promotional pieces for giveaways. UM 304 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: stuff like soda savers and toothbrush holders and some three 305 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: hundred thousand Camel brand cigarette cases. UM and Tupper was 306 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: a perfectionist, and he had really strict standards, both for 307 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: products and employees. The story goes that while most factories 308 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: paint corners black to hide dirt and debris, he painted 309 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: his bright white. And now it's time for an Annie 310 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: aside about Marching Band, because I don't think I've had 311 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: one for a long time. Okay, all right, okay, So 312 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: in Marching Band, I went to a school where our 313 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 1: uniforms were white jackets, and then the pants were purple, 314 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: but alongside the pants was a white stripe, and we 315 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: had white shoes. This is seen as kind of a 316 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: either death knell or you are so good you can 317 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: you can keep it clean because both the white shoes 318 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: and the stripe, it's easier to tell when someone is 319 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 1: even the slightest amount of out of step. Oh oh, 320 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: not even not even a getting dirty on a on 321 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: a heck and football field issue, but just the just 322 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: the just visually okay, yeah, so you can see that 323 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: stripe especially slightly out of step. And so like I 324 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: think when I was a sophomore, we got a new 325 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: band teacher. He came in, looked at our universe uniforms 326 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: and was like no, he replaced it with all black. 327 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, so this is the thing. It's harder 328 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: to tell when someone messes up with black goodness. Anyway, 329 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: I feel like we should have a sound effect for 330 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: Annie's marching band. Yes, more sound effects all the time, yes, yes, 331 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,719 Speaker 1: But back to Tupperware. Yes, tupper was very hands on 332 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: and designing every product himself too, and often he would 333 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: ask his mother and aunts to test out new items. However, 334 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: despite all of this, sales weren't great. You know, you've 335 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: got these awards or you're in MoMA, you've got women 336 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: giving you advice, but still um not working out. People 337 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: were just more used to glass and ceramics, and they didn't. 338 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,959 Speaker 1: They were unsure and I think kind of intimidated about 339 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: out of work it. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's 340 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: intuitive for us today because we're used to plastics, were 341 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: used to flexible products that that you can move with 342 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: your hands and and and and manipulate in that way. 343 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: But at the time that was that was a new thing. Yes, However, 344 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: there were some markets that were outliers, and Tupper investigated 345 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: and found that the sales in question were mostly thanks 346 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: to the efforts of a woman named Brownie Wise. And 347 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: what a fascinating story. Yes, yes, Wise was a divorced 348 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: single mother in her thirties from rural Georgia with no 349 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: formal business training, who worked several jobs in order to 350 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: make ends meet um, including as a saleswoman for Stanley 351 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: Home Products, which is one of the first companies to 352 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: add home parties to their direct selling toolkit. By all accounts, 353 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: she was determined, smart and funny person, doable, a great recruiter, 354 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: and knew what they needed to do to sell this product. 355 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: In the nineteen forties, she started her own business and 356 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: dedicated to selling tupperware called patio Parties and She recruited 357 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: several women to sell this product for her, and they 358 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: were parties. The hostess was supported by an official Tupperware 359 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: salesperson who was the guest of honor and could show 360 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: off two attendees how these products worked and would sell 361 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: them to anybody who was interested. In return, the hostesses 362 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: were gifted with Tupperware products. These events were very successful 363 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 1: for selling Wonder bowls. One woman in Ninette was selling 364 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: fifty six of them per week. Yeah um. That same year, 365 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: Tupper published mail Order Catalog featuring twenty two standard Tupperware 366 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: products available in a wide range of colors. So he 367 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: was really trying to figure out, like, I know, I've 368 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: got a good product, right, but how do I how 369 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: do I get it to the people exactly? Well? Wise 370 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: Wise called the company to complain about a late shipment 371 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: of product in nine and demanded to speak to Earl Tupper, 372 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: who was a secretive man wasn't really good with people, 373 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: but she did. She got him on the phone and 374 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: she suggested that he take the Wonder Bowl off the 375 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: market and sell it exclusively at home parties instead. Tupper 376 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: didn't agree right away, but he was interested in hearing 377 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: more so he invited her to his office, and she 378 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: must have made an impression because he hired her immediately 379 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: and split the company into manufacturing run by him in 380 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: New England and Tupperware home parties run by her at 381 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: her home in Florida. Through this, she became the face 382 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: of the company and also became known as the quote 383 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: first Lady of Tupperware. When a woman in this position 384 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: of power was a rarity. Yeah, yeah. As a single 385 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: mother and a housewife herself, she knew the value of 386 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: Tupperware too, women who had limited time, money, and other resources, 387 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: and how Tupperware fit in with this responsibility of being 388 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: a woman and taking care of folks and also accomplishing 389 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: or trying to accomplish or even I would say, like 390 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: giving off the air that you're accomplishing the elusive American dream. 391 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: And she was really dramatic at these parties, so were 392 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: a lot of these Tupperware mosteses doing things like throwing 393 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: a sealed bowl of water to demonstrate effectiveness, and not 394 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: like in a wall, but like tossing it around round 395 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: like yeah, like a water balloon. Dollars At the time, 396 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: women may may have covered leftovers with things like shower 397 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: caps which I was like, whoa, So there was a 398 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: lot of room for improvement. Yeah, yeah, mm hmmm. Why 399 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: is a symbol to salesforce of so called Tupperware ladies 400 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: who helped drive this paltry selling product to a global 401 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: brand name. The company trained these women, developed their skills, 402 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: and while the stereotype of a Tupperware lady um is 403 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: a white, middle class suburban housewife, very wasp, in fact, 404 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: many of them were first our second generation immigrants living 405 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: in urban areas, and many of them were married and 406 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: had entered the workforce during World War Two, and we're 407 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: looking to maintain some sort of independence after being forced 408 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: out when men came back from overseas, Tupperware ladies could 409 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: set their own schedule and make pretty good money. Thousands 410 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: of women signed up, leading parties full of gossip and 411 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: games and recipe exchanges, sprinkled throughout with product demonstrations, and yeah, 412 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: wise really pioneered this whole concept of the home party 413 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: to sell things. Some people and some articles I read 414 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: called it the first social network. It was women talking 415 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: to other women. I mean, it was very capital a stick, 416 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: but it was also yeah, kind of an airing of 417 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: all of these worries and concerns that these women had. 418 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: And here's a quote that I loved from an Eye 419 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: on Design article. Games like waste Measurement, game of Gossip 420 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: and Chatter focused on stereotypically feminine concerns, while Elastic Relay 421 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: and partner balloon burst required close contact. A game called 422 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Hubby asked women to write and then read aloud and 423 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 1: imaginary newspaper advertise but selling their husband. One example site. 424 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: One example cited in Clark's book reads one Husband for Sale, balding, 425 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: often cranky, stomach, requiring considerable attention in suburban America. There 426 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 1: were a few other excuses for all female gatherings of 427 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: this kind, especially ones in which women played games and 428 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: talked about how terrible their partners were. Um, yeah, well, 429 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: and and and this product, this Tupperware, was being sold 430 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: as sort of the ultimate in in modern housewares um. 431 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: This advertising booklet from seven called tupperware the answer to 432 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: the housewife's demand for efficiency, economy the woman's demand for beauty. 433 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: It also explained the sales plan um and the headline 434 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: on the opening page to that was, honestly, now, haven't 435 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: you always wanted a career of your very own Wow. 436 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: It really it really was a fascinating phenomenon and um 437 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: and a part of the ecosystem of of the rapidly 438 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: developing suburbia. UM. You know, like like a new type 439 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: of job that middle class women were socially allowed to 440 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: hold because it was still in homes um and still 441 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: engaging with mostly other women. UM. You know, it's like 442 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: like yeah, like it was like an exciting expanse of 443 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: capitalism um, which is cynical but also true. But but 444 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: but but it really was part of that like first 445 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: wave of feminism. UM. It's also fascinating in that plastics, 446 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: like the plastics involved in this phenomenon are a product 447 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: of the oil industry, which of course is deeply tied 448 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: into the car culture and suburban culture and conspicuous consumption 449 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: movements of the post war era. Mm hmm. Yeah, it 450 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: is very very interesting and there's a lot uh, if 451 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: we were a different podcast, we could talk about, you know, 452 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: what this sort of led to in terms of how 453 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: this is still going on and um, these sort of 454 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 1: parties and how they evolved and transformed, um, and what 455 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: it took to be a very successful tupperware sales women. 456 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: I mean, most of them were women, some more men, 457 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: um yeah, and there were some there were some husband 458 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: and wife teams um and and a lot of the 459 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: time because at the time it was hard for women 460 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: to have financial independence. Um So a lot of the 461 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: time the actual selling would be done by the lady 462 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: of the household, but the husband would be in charge 463 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: of um, of all the financials for that segment of 464 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: the business. So so it was a lot of husband 465 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: wife teams. But yes, yes, but okay, that is far 466 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: different podcasts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes. M According to writer, 467 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: producer and director of the award winning documentary Tupperware, Larry 468 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: con Levitt, wise really showered praise and awards on the 469 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: Tupperware ladies, celebrating them when not too many others in 470 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: their lives did. It kind of reminded me of Betty 471 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: Crocker when we're talking about that. Um. They had an 472 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: annual Tupperware home Party Jubilee, which were these extravagant parties 473 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: that were themed. Um. One of them did results in 474 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: a twenty one boat injury. There was a weather thing, 475 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: um yeah, and there was a lawsuit that followed. But overall, 476 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: these parties seemed to be a hit. Yeah, they were 477 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: these big salesforce conventions once a year in UM around Orlando, 478 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: and sales incentives at these at these conventions included things 479 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:26,240 Speaker 1: like jewelry and for coats. Yeah M and wise released 480 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: a weekly newsletter UM. She espoused the benefits of positive 481 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: thinking and was known for saying, you build the people 482 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: and they'll build the business. She also carried around a 483 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: chunk of what she called Polly or named Polly, which 484 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: she claimed was the original Polly ethylene slag used to 485 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: make the first Tupperware UM. She encouraged people to rub 486 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 1: Polly to grant them success along with their own hard work. 487 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: Okay uh. And through all of this she earned quite 488 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,040 Speaker 1: the following. She appeared on TV UM, in newspapers, she 489 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: became the first woman to appear on the cover of 490 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Business Week, and sales were through the roof, approaching million 491 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: dollars in nineteen fifty four, when there were twenty thousand 492 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: people making up the network of dealers, distributors and managers, 493 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: many of them who they didn't work for Tupperware directly 494 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 1: was sort of this yeah, yeah, this was part of 495 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: this like yeah, like MLM kind of thing, where right, 496 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: you would move up through UM through this unofficial network 497 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: of Tupperware home dealership UM from a salesperson to a 498 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: distributor to a manager right right, and I kind of 499 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: backfired for Wise ultimately because tupper didn't like that she 500 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: was getting all of this attention. Uh. He didn't like 501 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: that she was getting credit for the company's success. The 502 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: lawsuit didn't help UM. He also believed that the company 503 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: would be easier to sell if there was no outspoken 504 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: woman in leadership. Ah. Yeah, So in January, he and 505 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: his all male board fired her. Uh. That same year, 506 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,280 Speaker 1: he sold Tupperware for sixteen million dollars to the Rexel 507 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: Drug Company. Allegedly, he had heard from the I R 508 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: S that his children would be heavily taxed if he 509 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: died as the sole heir of the company. UM. Also 510 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: that year, he divorced his wife and moved to Costa Rica, 511 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:30,280 Speaker 1: reportedly giving up his US citizenship in order to avoid taxes. 512 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: So big year, m yep. Meanwhile, Wise didn't get a 513 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: penny from the sale. She sued the company, but was 514 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,760 Speaker 1: only awarded a year's salary as a one time payout. 515 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: She tried to start her own business, selling cosmetic at 516 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: house parties, but it didn't really take off, and tupper 517 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: continued to invent, but he really didn't achieve much success. 518 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: At the age of seventy one, he wrote, I'm ready 519 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: to really go to work so we older people don't 520 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: look so lazy and stupid it to our children and 521 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: grandchildren or two space visitors who will certainly be landing 522 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 1: here one day and putting the torch to us, considering 523 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: us to be worthless and damn poor breading stock for 524 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: the future. So that quote gives you, Yeah, that's a lot. 525 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: It is all right, that's sure, Okay, Yeah, we will 526 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: move on from there. Um. He died in nineteen eight three, 527 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: around the same time the patents on a few of 528 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 1: his classic Tupperware products ran out. Um and Wise died 529 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: in nine Uh. Wise did publish an autobiography back in 530 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty seven called Best Wishes Brownie Wise. Um. It 531 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: was reprinted in the nineteen nineties, and in fourteen Sony 532 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: Pictures acquired rights to Um to this this nonfiction book 533 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: called Tupperware Unsealed, and they were planning to make a 534 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 1: biopic adaptation of it A out Wise starring Sandra Bullock. Um, 535 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: but I think that that's in development. Hell I don't 536 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 1: think it's going anywhere. Yeah right, I want that so 537 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: much like Jennifer Lawrence was attached to at some point 538 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: anyway anyway. M Um. Meanwhile, Um, stepping back to the 539 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: point at which Wise and Tupper, both under different circumstances, 540 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: left the company. Um. The success of the Tupperware brand 541 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: did continue pretty solidly for another couple decades. Um. One more, 542 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 1: one word quote from an ad because I love these things. Um. 543 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: This one's from the nineteen sixties, and it read she's 544 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,839 Speaker 1: earning good money and having fun too, so could you? 545 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: Being a Tupperware dealer is a happy business and one 546 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: you can conduct either in your spare time or full time. 547 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: Best of all, it can fill your hours with fun 548 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: and fellowship as well as with profit. Wink. Yeah, well 549 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: you can feel to sparkle on the teeth and that eat. Um. 550 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: They expanded with products that could withstand a newfangled microwave 551 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: cooking or conventional oven cooking temperatures in the mid nineteen eighties, 552 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 1: and yes, that included a specialized kiche panis yeah. Um. 553 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,760 Speaker 1: But yeah. Then in the in the mid to late eighties, 554 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: those original patents ran out, um, and women were entering 555 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: other segments of the workforce. UM. In nineteen eight, to 556 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: attempt to address UH lagging sales, UM Temperware started offering 557 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,720 Speaker 1: purchases through catalogs for the first time since ninette. Wow. Wow, 558 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: I guess I've assumed you could just buy it. No. No, 559 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: For for thirty years you couldn't. You couldn't buy them 560 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: outside of temperware parties. Wow. The company launched a line 561 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,360 Speaker 1: of products with brail on the bottom of the containers 562 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,280 Speaker 1: to indicate volume. In the early two thousand's, they started 563 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: experimenting with UM other plastics designed for more intensive cooking 564 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: and freezing. UM up to two hundred and fifty celsius 565 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: that's about four and eighty fahrenheit as low as twenty 566 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: five celsius or thirteen fair and I'm sorry negative celsius 567 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,560 Speaker 1: or negative thirteen fahrenheight. In two thousand five, they designed 568 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: a custom container for stem cell research UM for an 569 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: experiment being done by the European Space Agency. Oh WHOA 570 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: love that UM in the brand went b p A 571 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,919 Speaker 1: free UM And note here I will say UM It's 572 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,720 Speaker 1: recommended partially because of this, but also because of other stuff. 573 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 1: If you have older and especially vintage pieces, do a 574 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: little bit of research into what they're made of to 575 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: see whether they're still safe to use for food error. 576 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 1: On the side of caution, UM avoid for example, UM 577 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: polycarbonate plastics, that's plastic number seven. UM. Lots of pieces 578 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: made in the twentieth century, we're still being made with 579 00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 1: potentially harmful components and or contaminants like bp A and 580 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: lead and arsenic. So yeah, so yeah, don't Yeah, if 581 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: you've got those vintage pieces display only or or if 582 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: you're using them for sewing materials, like maybe you don't 583 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: let your children play with them. I don't know. Exercise caution. 584 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm. In Tupperware donated two hundred thousand dollars to 585 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: an Orlando park to rename it Brownie Wise Park, and 586 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: they added her to the company's official history. Well, let's good, 587 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: that's belated. But UM and they had yeah this is UM, 588 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: this is right. This is around the area that they 589 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: that that that Wise is side of the company had 590 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 1: been working in for all of those decades. UM. They 591 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: they bought the land, UM specifically that this park is on. 592 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,040 Speaker 1: UM it's called the Tupperware Island Conservation Area. UM. And yeah, 593 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: it's it's south of Orlando and Osceola County along one 594 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: of the lakes there. UM and wise once lived in 595 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,920 Speaker 1: a mansion along that same lake on land that was 596 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: owned by the company, but she had to leave when 597 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,640 Speaker 1: she was fired. UM Apparently she painted the entire main 598 00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: bedroom bright pink. I can see that. I love it UM. 599 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: And then in another another UH science research note, UM, 600 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: the brand began looking in to some other areas of 601 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: development and teamed up with NASA to work on this 602 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: UM space gardening device called UM that that that basically 603 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: is meant to put um UH to to distribute water 604 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: through a root system UM in microgravity environments without having 605 00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,279 Speaker 1: the astronauts have to do a lot of work. UM. 606 00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: It's called PONDS, which stands for the Passive Orbital Nutrient 607 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:37,800 Speaker 1: Delivery System. Love it Yes, and a news release about 608 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: its patent going through mentioned that the brand is looking 609 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: to apply this technology and research to home gardening products 610 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,560 Speaker 1: in the future. So maybe maybe they're going to do 611 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: a pivot. I don't know wow to space mentions in 612 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: this episode, I was from the same article from his 613 00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: dot org M But but yeah, yeah, I it's it's 614 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: so so fascinating to me when UM when brands are 615 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: able and willing to to work with other areas of 616 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: research like this. Yeah, yeah, especially given the history on 617 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: this one and kind of where it started. Yeah. Fascinating journey, 618 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: really interesting mm hmmm um. Definitely a fun one. As 619 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: we said, there's plenty of information and plenty of very 620 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 1: very cool pictures out there. Want to look them up? Definitely. Yeah, 621 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: But I guess that's what we have to say about 622 00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: Tupperware for now. It is. We do have some listener 623 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: mail for you, and we will get into that as 624 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: soon as we get back from a quick break for 625 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:54,839 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor. And we're back. Thank you, sponsored, Yes, 626 00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: thank you. We're back with the snow. Snow. Oh okay, 627 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: one note that I forgot one more. One more note 628 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,320 Speaker 1: about tepper where there's that heck in goose Bumps book 629 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: about people feeling themselves in tupperware to mein to to 630 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:25,480 Speaker 1: to so that they don't age. Oh my goodness, I 631 00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: don't remember that. Yeah. I think it was also an 632 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,440 Speaker 1: episode of the of the TV show at some point. 633 00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,319 Speaker 1: But how big was the tupperware? Is it like this 634 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,320 Speaker 1: coffin thing you were t Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it was 635 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: person sized? Yeah, Okay, yeah, wow, I have to look 636 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: that up. Okay, I was not expecting that, turd. I 637 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,160 Speaker 1: really appreciated it anytime. You know. I love a good 638 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,720 Speaker 1: random horror segue. Okay, but that's not what this listener 639 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,560 Speaker 1: mail is about. No. Before we get into reading these messages, though, 640 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: just a quick shout out to John and Rose for 641 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,080 Speaker 1: sending us just so much cool stuff, so so many 642 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: kitcat flavors, just wealth kitcats. I love it, um. And 643 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: also Jan, I can't remember if I shouted you out 644 00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,399 Speaker 1: in a past one or not, or if we did, 645 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: but also sent to something to thank you. Jan. We 646 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. It's definitely not if you're listening to this. 647 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:33,320 Speaker 1: There's no requirement at all, no obligation, but it's very sweet. 648 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 1: We do appreciate it. Yes, thank you, Yes, Um. Caroline wrote, 649 00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to share a recent concoction that loosely counts 650 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,880 Speaker 1: as a hot toddy. It embraces my recent desire to 651 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 1: keep as much of my purchasing local if possible. There's 652 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,360 Speaker 1: a cute shop by my partner's house and would stock 653 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,640 Speaker 1: called Tea House. They bottle the most delightful creation immune 654 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 1: Shine ginger licks. There. It's amazingly tasty and made of 655 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: ginger and honey. Looked it down to a syrup with 656 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: other flavor editions like elderberry and cinnamon. So when I 657 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,919 Speaker 1: impulse bought an apple flavored moonshine at a farmer's market, well, 658 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: this unnamed hot Toddie was born. Using an electric kettle, 659 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,360 Speaker 1: heat up water, don't need to boil. Splash one to 660 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,480 Speaker 1: two ounces of salon cinnamon flavored ginger elixir into a 661 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: glass mug, much like what an Irish coffee comes in, 662 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 1: followed by one to two ounces of springbrook apple moonshine. 663 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: Fill almost to the top with hot water, then squeeze 664 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,480 Speaker 1: in lemon if desired, add a black tea bag for 665 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,800 Speaker 1: more depth, or leave as is top with an apple 666 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: slice on the side of glass and add a cinnamon 667 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: stick to stir im. Not sure if they are comparable 668 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: products made by other companies, but just wanted to share 669 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 1: it in case it inspires you to try something similar. 670 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that sounds so good. It sounds like a 671 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,080 Speaker 1: warm fall hug and a glass a little bit of 672 00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: spice in there. Got all yeah, and it's I mean, 673 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,520 Speaker 1: I know everyone in northern in the United States in 674 00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: more northern United States will laugh. But it's chilly here 675 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: in Atlanta right like we might be getting snow this weekend. 676 00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,560 Speaker 1: I know, so this sounds like something I really want 677 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,560 Speaker 1: to prepare for in case there is a snow. And 678 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even going anywhere right now, but 679 00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: down for three days or something. Sure, Okay, Oh no, 680 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,720 Speaker 1: you're right, You're right, Okay, all right? Note for the future, 681 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 1: back to the present? Yes, um who anyway, Kelly wrote, 682 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. I hope two is off to a 683 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: good start. I was catching up on recent episodes over 684 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: the holidays, and the one about Betty Crocker reminded me 685 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: of something I think you might get a kick out of. 686 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,520 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the Gallery of Regrettable Food? For 687 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: a number of years now, M. James Lilocks has run 688 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,879 Speaker 1: a website, the Institute of Official Cheer, where he analyzes 689 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,960 Speaker 1: and makes fun of the designs that of mid century 690 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,200 Speaker 1: advertising and marketing. One of the funniest subspecialties is the 691 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: Gallery of Regrettable Food, where he mocks both the atrocious 692 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: recipes and the equally execrable styling and photography found in 693 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:18,440 Speaker 1: mid century cookbooks, promotional pamphlets. Magazine articles, etcetera. He also 694 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,800 Speaker 1: published two books that are well worth checking out, also 695 00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,239 Speaker 1: worth it Interior Desecrations, which lampoons the style trends of 696 00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,080 Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies. I remembered this because some of 697 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: the picks and recipes in the gallery are straight out 698 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,560 Speaker 1: of the Betty Crocker cookbook. Before warned, the snark is 699 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,319 Speaker 1: merciless and side splittingly funny. Although a bit uneven, some 700 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: are a lot better than others. It's very easy to 701 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: burn hours on this, so just know this beforehand. I 702 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,880 Speaker 1: hope you enjoy it as much as I have. Yes, 703 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,719 Speaker 1: this is so fitting for the episode we just did 704 00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:57,120 Speaker 1: to right. Yeah, oh have a lot a lot of that. Yeah. 705 00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,880 Speaker 1: Some of the promotional materials for the Tupperware parties and 706 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:12,040 Speaker 1: UM and Tupperware uses are just very something indeed. Yeah, Yeah, 707 00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,279 Speaker 1: I can definitely see spending a lot of time on 708 00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,920 Speaker 1: this website. I was browsing through when I was very 709 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:24,520 Speaker 1: entertained by a velveto one that I found. I think 710 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,319 Speaker 1: I think other listeners have written in to us about this, 711 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,080 Speaker 1: but I had forgotten, so very much appreciate you The reminder, 712 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: very funny and very much write up our style right 713 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 1: up Our Style write up for Ali Grand up Our Style, 714 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,360 Speaker 1: Alle in the first Style, Allie as they say, yes 715 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: as everyone says, um, yeah, that's the Gallery of Regrettable Food. 716 00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: It's great, it's great, look it up. Thank you, yes, yes, 717 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Do both of these listeners um. 718 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,719 Speaker 1: If you would like to write to us, you can 719 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,879 Speaker 1: or email is hello at favorite pod dot com. 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