Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black
Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime. Welcome
Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got
Speaker 1: a real special guests. What's up with your Brode with
Speaker 1: the virtual headshake? I'm gonna tell you that I never
Speaker 1: told him back. I want to smoke. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: another edition to All the Smoke. Jack, what's happening with you? Man?
Speaker 1: Cool and Man? Still at it? Man, let's not get
Speaker 1: out You on your way to Kali soon? Huh yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to get out there. Man. We got
Speaker 1: we got a big celebration for your birthday coming up.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to pop my column, Man, coming up, coming up,
Speaker 1: Come up, man, Man. Our next guest is someone I
Speaker 1: came into the league with way back in two thousand two.
Speaker 1: Was our draft class, someone who's been grinding. Uh this
Speaker 1: your eighteen season if I'm not mistaken, Man, Welcome to
Speaker 1: the show. Uh NBA Vet and World Champion Udonis Haslem
Speaker 1: You dat whatever? Bro? And hey, helldo we got you got?
Speaker 1: You gotta start saying this when we introduce him, future
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Bro, future hall All It'll be It'll
Speaker 1: be honest man. But yeah, not only did I come
Speaker 1: come in with you though, but stat Jack, you don't
Speaker 1: remember when I was playing in Summer League with San Antonio. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: that might have been like your first a second year
Speaker 1: with seven year came you came to watch us play
Speaker 1: in Vegas. You showed you showed me some love. And
Speaker 1: you don't even know who I was, but you showed
Speaker 1: me love. I already remember. I remember. Ship like that,
Speaker 1: like ship like that, go a long long way? You
Speaker 1: feel me, yes, sir, Yes, sir, Hey, you know a
Speaker 1: funny story before I knew Jack who who? Before me
Speaker 1: and Jack were friends. I remember Jack came to Vegas
Speaker 1: the summer they won the championship and we're all a
Speaker 1: girl's run. Jack, I don't know remember this, but you
Speaker 1: came in there with a big old throwback jersey on
Speaker 1: and and your I think it was I think you
Speaker 1: got a ring on or just a bunch of jewelry.
Speaker 1: I knew y'all just wanted my motherer. Didn't come to
Speaker 1: play at all. You just came to say what's up?
Speaker 1: But everyone else in there about to work with nigga.
Speaker 1: Jack became then with a big old Remember when the
Speaker 1: throwback Jersey's ring ship how to do it? When I
Speaker 1: wanted to touch your basketball, I ain't touch your basketball
Speaker 1: when we want on smell smelling like a pound of dope. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you probably can tell you everybody know the party
Speaker 1: keep going out if they say, right, hey, man, well
Speaker 1: let's get to it. U D was a disaster, um.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously starting with the loss of Kobe and
Speaker 1: g G and everyone else on the helicopter, to the pandemic,
Speaker 1: to a crazy presidential race. What was one thing you
Speaker 1: took from good or bad? Man? Uh? You never know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna be called a step into man, and
Speaker 1: you just gotta be ready. So you know, one of
Speaker 1: the things I always said was stay ready to you
Speaker 1: don't gotta get ready. And that always applied to sports,
Speaker 1: but that kind of applied to life. You guys shocked
Speaker 1: a lot of people, obviously believing in yourself. But your
Speaker 1: fifth seed made a run to the NBA finals. What
Speaker 1: was different outside of playing in the bubble? About the
Speaker 1: run you guys made to the finals, um, and your
Speaker 1: three other uh excuse me, two other championship runs? Man,
Speaker 1: To be honest, that that bubble we had before we
Speaker 1: even stepped down there. Man, I had the mindset that
Speaker 1: we gotta beat the bubble for we even step on
Speaker 1: the basketball court. So people was like, yo, you're ready
Speaker 1: to go to the bubble. I was telling people may
Speaker 1: not been in France, man, I'm gonna take my id,
Speaker 1: take my own ankles for a game, like I ain't.
Speaker 1: Always had no training staff, Like I remember getting on
Speaker 1: the phone calling Mike Miller, like, Yo, send me some
Speaker 1: anchle bracons. I can't keep taking my own ship, brother,
Speaker 1: it ain't. I can't. I can't. So like the bubble, man,
Speaker 1: that was nothing. I was already locked in for that.
Speaker 1: I already knew what it was. So for me, I
Speaker 1: took the I took the approaches like, Okay, I'm will
Speaker 1: be a leader, so I'm gonna be extra crazy with
Speaker 1: it so my teammates can follow. So I'm in the
Speaker 1: room eating soup atter militantant ship. Jimmy already crazy. I
Speaker 1: could barely get him out his room. So for me
Speaker 1: to get it, to get cool with Jimmy, to kind
Speaker 1: of understand Jimmy, you gotta get on Jimmy level. So
Speaker 1: I'm in the room taking but rest the classes and
Speaker 1: ship learning how to make coffee and ship like that
Speaker 1: all that. So for me, like I took, I took
Speaker 1: the approach as a leader. They're gonna see me and
Speaker 1: they're gonna do what I do. So that's really what
Speaker 1: I did. Man, stay in my room, stay locked in,
Speaker 1: tapped in with everybody to make sure everybody was straight.
Speaker 1: But for me, I was pretty much, you know, in
Speaker 1: that leadership mode the whole time. So you're the last
Speaker 1: real o G in the league. Like people that have
Speaker 1: runs like you, it doesn't exist. And we were talking
Speaker 1: about this earlier. We shot a show for West Burning earlier.
Speaker 1: There's no more O G vets. You know what are
Speaker 1: you forty right, forty years old, eighteen years in the game,
Speaker 1: and you bought into it. You know, we talked when
Speaker 1: I when I seen you at the presidential thing back
Speaker 1: in November, I think it was or right before November.
Speaker 1: How you know, it was tough, but you understand what
Speaker 1: your role is. You know, you definitely want to be
Speaker 1: out there on that court, but you know what it is.
Speaker 1: So you've really embraced that O G leadership roles and
Speaker 1: like you said, it was important for you to connect
Speaker 1: with Jimmy talk to us about the connections with the
Speaker 1: other players that you know you had to make, and
Speaker 1: what kind of things you kind of had to do
Speaker 1: to first of all connect but then bring everybody together.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, so to clear the ship up, everybody
Speaker 1: needs to understand. And I don't. I ain't content with
Speaker 1: sitting on a day bench like that. Ain't that ain't
Speaker 1: what it is. But evolution is a part of all
Speaker 1: this ship. Like, evolution is a part of all this ship.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I don't own
Speaker 1: my own team yet, you know what I'm saying, Maybe
Speaker 1: one day I don't own my own team yet. That's
Speaker 1: the goal for a lot of us to be in
Speaker 1: a position where we go on our own team and
Speaker 1: make our own calls and do the ship that we
Speaker 1: want to do, or control the ship that we feel
Speaker 1: like we need to be controlled because we know sometimes
Speaker 1: it ain't right. But I don't control that. So for me,
Speaker 1: how can you impact winning without being on the basketball court.
Speaker 1: That's the next phase for me and ship. You gotta
Speaker 1: tap in with these dudes. Man, if you don't treat
Speaker 1: these dudes with respect. See a lot of these people
Speaker 1: come in and say, oh I can do this. You
Speaker 1: can't do that. That's what I did, and that's what
Speaker 1: I do to me. Young boys don't want to hear that,
Speaker 1: nor do they respect that. M I don't want to
Speaker 1: hear that. Man, they don't want to hear that. So
Speaker 1: you gotta get respect to get respect to these young
Speaker 1: boys first and foremost. Man. So I tap in with
Speaker 1: these young boys first on the level of like, yo,
Speaker 1: I saw what you did in college. I respect that
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that. Let's get doing this and let's
Speaker 1: get to work knowing that, man. So I get to
Speaker 1: know their families, I get to know their kids. Man.
Speaker 1: A lot of work I do with these boys be
Speaker 1: way before we even step on the basketball court. Man.
Speaker 1: When people look at the situations in the relationship I
Speaker 1: got with Bam, and I know Bam Mama. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. People don't know that I know Bam Mamabama.
Speaker 1: Girl come to my own girl house, my stepmama house,
Speaker 1: and they eat and they chill and they kick it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So all these guys that
Speaker 1: came through here, man, all the way back to the
Speaker 1: JJ's and the Dion's and all in my homeboys and
Speaker 1: Wayne Allison, Man, we still tap me in this go
Speaker 1: way beyond basketball because I tell all these dudes first
Speaker 1: and foremost, man, get your money. I don't give a
Speaker 1: damn if his hill or something else. I just want
Speaker 1: to see you get your money to take care of
Speaker 1: your family. So I tap on with these dudes on
Speaker 1: the personal level. I create a personal relationship before I
Speaker 1: created a business relationship. Man, because if they don't respect
Speaker 1: me on that aspect, ain't gonna listen to me on
Speaker 1: the basketball court because I ain't playing. I ain't on
Speaker 1: the court. I ain't not there, so I can say
Speaker 1: what I want to say, but I ain't not there,
Speaker 1: So they don't respect me as a man and like
Speaker 1: off the court, and they're gonna listen. They're not gonna
Speaker 1: listen to me when when we step out there on
Speaker 1: that battle field when it's time to go to work. Now,
Speaker 1: I think you made a great point because leadership, most
Speaker 1: of the time, they're not gonna And if people who
Speaker 1: play won't understand this, but if you've got someone who's
Speaker 1: always preaching that's not playing, it might go in one
Speaker 1: year out the other. But the fact you connected, like
Speaker 1: you said, before the basketball ship even came, earned that respect.
Speaker 1: Got that respect. You know, like you said, once it's
Speaker 1: time to go to war, you guys are all on
Speaker 1: the same page. And like I said, you're in the bubble.
Speaker 1: I saw you taking over the huddles and I really, like,
Speaker 1: I just thought it was dope, because I mean, I
Speaker 1: know you another competitor and you wants to be out there,
Speaker 1: but you knew the next best thing was to do
Speaker 1: was to keep these dudes locked in. And I would
Speaker 1: see you, you know, spoke would let you take over
Speaker 1: huddles sometimes and you do all the talking and the
Speaker 1: pointing and directing. And I just want to commit you, man,
Speaker 1: because I think that ship is dope that you've taken
Speaker 1: that role. But to be able to put your ego
Speaker 1: and pride aside, because we're all competitors and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the last thing we want to
Speaker 1: do is be sitting on that bench, regardless of what
Speaker 1: the the circumstances are. Man, So definitely shout out to
Speaker 1: you man for playing your role and doing what you
Speaker 1: could do to help the team get to the ultimate goal.
Speaker 1: And we'll get it twisted. Now we still get our
Speaker 1: ones upstairs. Now I still get get it. I still
Speaker 1: get eat and that's that jack. I still get eat
Speaker 1: they talked that ship we boys, I still get eat
Speaker 1: it has heard. So tell me this mate, how strange
Speaker 1: was it playing huge games in the playoffs with no
Speaker 1: fans and the bubble. That was crazy. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: But not now all that this here, All that got
Speaker 1: cut out in the bubble because now who you're talking to,
Speaker 1: what you're saying, like, you can't be all that room
Speaker 1: would be a lot of wrapping. And when it's a
Speaker 1: hundred thousand fans and all that ship going on, you
Speaker 1: can't really understand what somebody is saying and who they're
Speaker 1: talking to. A lot of that ship got dumped down.
Speaker 1: A lot of that ship got dumbed down in the bubble.
Speaker 1: And no misunderstandings. You can't say none of that ain't
Speaker 1: no misunderstands the bubble. So it's a lot of humble
Speaker 1: ship going on in the bubble. Man, But there was
Speaker 1: a lot of hooping going on the bubble because he
Speaker 1: just took it back to the open to the gym.
Speaker 1: Ain't no fans, you know, crowd. I know I heard
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying that a lot of people
Speaker 1: played better in the bubble individually. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of people say we played better in the bubble as
Speaker 1: a team, but I heard a lot of people saying
Speaker 1: people played better individually in the But man like, if
Speaker 1: you could take it back to the gym and go
Speaker 1: play pick up and you would sailed in that. And
Speaker 1: I mean that's where we all started that anyway, and
Speaker 1: that's where I think it ended up going in the
Speaker 1: bubble was everybody just said, man, we're just gonna go
Speaker 1: who you know. The one thing I was disappointed about
Speaker 1: to finally have a Miami, the city of Miami in
Speaker 1: the City of l A play in the finals, and
Speaker 1: if it was just a normal circumstances, both of them
Speaker 1: cities would have been jumping. And the fact that you
Speaker 1: guys were in the bubble. I'm sure the cities were
Speaker 1: still jumping, but not like they would have if if
Speaker 1: the series were going back and forth. That's the one
Speaker 1: thing I missed and it was really disappointed about, was
Speaker 1: the fact that Miami, a dope city l A were
Speaker 1: both in it and we couldn't do nothing about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I told him, boy, as soon as we
Speaker 1: got to the bubble, we're the home team. Every night,
Speaker 1: though we read home, I don't care it down. If
Speaker 1: we're in Orlando, we're the home team every night in
Speaker 1: the state of Florida. I don't give it. Damn every
Speaker 1: night every night, every man were the hotel give it
Speaker 1: then before in Orlando, every night we're the home team.
Speaker 1: And that's how I felt, Man that Jack shout out
Speaker 1: my man, Keith. You already know what it is, old town.
Speaker 1: You know what the old town Markeys. You know that
Speaker 1: the Circle boys lamb bone Y's up, Yes, up the boys.
Speaker 1: You feel me? Hey, take us back to your childhood
Speaker 1: and your upbringing. Uh, in Florida? What was it like, Man?
Speaker 1: I moved around a little bit man, So you know, um,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the typical I can't say typical,
Speaker 1: but you know, father, mother separated. You know, mother went
Speaker 1: through you know, a drug addiction, homelessness. Um. I didn't
Speaker 1: really get a chance to, you know, really grow up
Speaker 1: with my mom. I grew up my stepmom. Angel. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Uh, you know it's it's hard
Speaker 1: enough nowadays to get people sometimes to raise their own child,
Speaker 1: So to raise the child that's not yours, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, she was a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1: For me. So thank God the Barbara whooping always. You know,
Speaker 1: she knows I love her the death. So you know,
Speaker 1: my mother and my father went through this situation and
Speaker 1: my mother struggled a lot, but you know, towards the
Speaker 1: end of her path, you know, me and my mother
Speaker 1: really created a strong, strong bond. And you know, I
Speaker 1: really didn't know how great you know, if a person
Speaker 1: my mother wasn't too she had passed away, and I
Speaker 1: think that you know, people talk about the flowers when
Speaker 1: you're gone, situation and different things like that. I never
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to even understand, you know, the power,
Speaker 1: you know, the type of person that my mother was.
Speaker 1: So she's definitely always been my motivation. Um coming up. Man,
Speaker 1: never really had you know, things given to me. Um.
Speaker 1: I was always the underdog, you know what I'm saying, chubby,
Speaker 1: too small, not fast enough, whatever the situation was for me.
Speaker 1: So it was never really like an easy path. Man.
Speaker 1: Figured out I could play this game in basketball a
Speaker 1: little bit because my dad was the day kind of
Speaker 1: play the year in Miami, Man, but that came with
Speaker 1: expectation because the old boy was never happy by ship.
Speaker 1: But they kind of played a year. But it was
Speaker 1: never good enough for the old boy man. So Um,
Speaker 1: I moved to Jacksonville, Man, and that's when I really
Speaker 1: blossom in the game of basketball. Is when I had
Speaker 1: a chance to move to Jacksonville. Because down here in Miami, man,
Speaker 1: it's all football. And that's all I played with football, football, football.
Speaker 1: When I moved to Jacksonville, I had a chance to
Speaker 1: pick up basketball, man. And for four years all I
Speaker 1: did was played basketball. So when I came back to
Speaker 1: Miami after playing basketball in four years in Jacksonville, I
Speaker 1: came back to Miami. I went to Miami. Hi. If
Speaker 1: anybody know anything about Miami, how man, the expectation in
Speaker 1: Miami has a win, win, win, and that's it. You know,
Speaker 1: the great Frank Martin and Shaking Rodriguez god less have
Speaker 1: did you know what I'm saying, mafioso, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying when you talk about the Shaky's and
Speaker 1: the Willie Folcons and the South Folkons, and you know,
Speaker 1: you go, you go read up. You understand what's really
Speaker 1: going on with mind behind the tradition. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that that followed with us, Um Frank
Speaker 1: Martin right now in South Carolina. You see what he
Speaker 1: was able to do as far as turning that program around.
Speaker 1: Man to this day, Um, a life sale, you know,
Speaker 1: a mentor. I know people that Frank don't picked up
Speaker 1: the phone and when it got four five in the morning,
Speaker 1: now together, you know what I'm saying. He's that kind
Speaker 1: of guy. Um And to this day, you know I
Speaker 1: owed him a lot. So you know, for me, I've
Speaker 1: had a lot of angels in my life, man, that
Speaker 1: have been able to catapult me to get to this point. Man,
Speaker 1: there's no way I would have did this by myself.
Speaker 1: There's no way. You know, the chips are stacked against
Speaker 1: us already. And without them angels, man, I wouldn't be here.
Speaker 1: Who did you grow up watching and rooting for? I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, being up being right there at home. You
Speaker 1: know who did you grew up watching the room for
Speaker 1: as a young basketball player, Man, Tim James. So people
Speaker 1: don't know the people think. People think that I'm the
Speaker 1: original first player from Miami to play for the Miami Heat.
Speaker 1: And I always shout out Tim James. Tim James when
Speaker 1: the Miami Northwestern from my hood Liberty City. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember Tim James went the University of Miami stayed at home. Um,
Speaker 1: and he was the first player born and raised in
Speaker 1: Miami to actually played for the Miami Heat. And he
Speaker 1: actually wore number for they. So when I went number
Speaker 1: for the for the Miami he I'm repping Tim James,
Speaker 1: but I'm also repping my Pops, because my Pops ward
Speaker 1: number for they when he played for Northwestern as well. See,
Speaker 1: everybody went to Northwestern and my family, Northwestern was like
Speaker 1: the spot of liberty, sy that's the place to go. Um,
Speaker 1: I chose my own path. I went to Miami Hot. Man,
Speaker 1: it worked out for me. But Tim James was who
Speaker 1: I watched. Man. He was like you had your pee
Speaker 1: wee Kirklands in New York and you had this, that
Speaker 1: and the third Tim James superstar. I mean, motherfucker high
Speaker 1: jumped like seven three or some ship. You gotta read
Speaker 1: about Tim James, Like that ship was crazy, Like Tim
Speaker 1: was like legend. Yeah, bodies, that's what's up. What was
Speaker 1: your recruiting process? Like played a little bit of football
Speaker 1: foul basketball to be your sport, But what was your
Speaker 1: recruiting process? Like it did you have someone locked in
Speaker 1: from the beginning you want or somewhere you wanted to go. Man,
Speaker 1: Brent right, my homeboy man, my best friend went the
Speaker 1: University of Florida. Man, they had amazing recruiting class man,
Speaker 1: and they were recruiting me. But I never had a
Speaker 1: chance to meet, you know, Billy Donovan. But what sold
Speaker 1: me was Anthony Grant. Anthony Grants, the universe, the coach
Speaker 1: at University of Daton. He also went to Miami with
Speaker 1: my my ma alma mater from over town. If anybody
Speaker 1: know about Miami, you understand what overtown is. Anthony Grant
Speaker 1: came in, pulled up and he'd been with he'd been
Speaker 1: with Billy from day one, since Billy was at Marsha
Speaker 1: with the Jason William day. So when Anthony Grant got involved,
Speaker 1: it made me feel a little more comfortable about really
Speaker 1: putting my trust in somebody who I weren't comfortable with
Speaker 1: because once again, growing up in Miami was black, a
Speaker 1: Cuban or a black Hispanic, whatever Hispanic you want to call,
Speaker 1: Puerto Rican, Dominican. We really had too many white people. Man.
Speaker 1: So when Billy Donovan came and sat in front of
Speaker 1: my sand in front of me and let me see
Speaker 1: that at my grandma house and he went to fast talking.
Speaker 1: I ain't really I ain't really responded that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It was different. Was somebody coming from
Speaker 1: New York and they're sitting down fast talking, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it sounds good. But then when I had a chance
Speaker 1: to sit down with Anthony Grant, somebody from where I'm from,
Speaker 1: and like I said, over town, and he really understood me,
Speaker 1: understood the process and what I was really dealing when
Speaker 1: they're going through. That's what made me more comfortable going
Speaker 1: in versity of Florida. I never took a visit anywhere else. Man.
Speaker 1: I commitis straight the Florida and I stuck with it.
Speaker 1: My daddy probably still mad with me to this day
Speaker 1: because he wanted me to travel all around. You probably
Speaker 1: won't try to get a bag or something, but I stayed.
Speaker 1: I stayed last about there with gays be other man,
Speaker 1: I went to Florida. That's a up Who who else
Speaker 1: was recruiting you during that time? University of Miami recruited me, man,
Speaker 1: But I was a kid from Miami to understood I
Speaker 1: needed to get out of Miami. UM, UM, Syracuse, Clemson,
Speaker 1: UM South Florida. Uh. Maybe a few of schools, not not,
Speaker 1: not a whole lot. It wasn't I. I wasn't one
Speaker 1: of them dudes that had fifty schools recruit me. Nor
Speaker 1: was I one of those dudes that said I always
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna make it. I know people had
Speaker 1: those stories. That just was never my story. I never
Speaker 1: wrote about the house on the on the corner and
Speaker 1: said one day I'm about that for my mama, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: get people. I get people had them stories and that's
Speaker 1: good for you. That just wasn't mine, Right, What was
Speaker 1: that experience like being a Gator? Oh? Man, that's probably
Speaker 1: the best four years of my life. Man, the best
Speaker 1: four years of my life was the first time I
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to really engaged with different kind of
Speaker 1: cultures and really understand, um, you know what life was about.
Speaker 1: You know, something bigger than what you see every day.
Speaker 1: And I think that's really been my motivation outside of basketball,
Speaker 1: is letting these kids know it's something bigger than what
Speaker 1: they see every day. I think the first thing that
Speaker 1: kids do in the first mistake we all make growing
Speaker 1: up is that we think the world is just like
Speaker 1: what we see every day when we come outside and
Speaker 1: where we go we think that's like the whole world.
Speaker 1: Like when I got to school, I never really I
Speaker 1: never understand, like you ain't never seen a crackhead before.
Speaker 1: When I've seen people say they ain't ever seen the crackhead,
Speaker 1: I thought something's wrong with them, right, I was like, really, like,
Speaker 1: people like you, like y'all don't see this ship every day.
Speaker 1: So the first mistake we make, man is thinking that
Speaker 1: everything is like hood. Everyone's like hood, and that's what
Speaker 1: it is. So for me, man, just understanding that everyone
Speaker 1: went like libyc. Everyone went like over town everywhere went
Speaker 1: like a little Bena. So that's what I tried to
Speaker 1: show the kids man, Like it's a bigger world than
Speaker 1: what you see every day when you go at your house. Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't never went to South Beach until I got
Speaker 1: the NBA. I tell people that all the time. Until
Speaker 1: I got the NBA, I had never a cross that
Speaker 1: bridge to go over to the South Beach. How did
Speaker 1: your bond form with Billy Downald? I love Billy Man.
Speaker 1: Billy Uh. Billy pushed me. He was the first coach
Speaker 1: outside of you know, Frank Main was to actually push me.
Speaker 1: Frankman was the first coach to push mean, Billy was
Speaker 1: a second before that. Everything came batter Man, But Billy
Speaker 1: was on some different ship. Bill was on so waking
Speaker 1: me up six o'clock in the morning, running before class,
Speaker 1: give me out the class man. It was on some conditioning.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I wasn't really big on that conditioning. Man,
Speaker 1: I just go who give me the ball. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get a bucket, like you know what I'm saying, Give
Speaker 1: me the ball. He can't guard me. He can't guard me.
Speaker 1: He too small, Like I got funk work. I'm stronger,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. It wasn't you know that
Speaker 1: that athletic. But I just knew how to get a bucket.
Speaker 1: So at that time, conditioning and that part of it
Speaker 1: wasn't really a focus for me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When I got to college, that's when I really understood
Speaker 1: that you had to be in great shape. You had
Speaker 1: to eat right. You know what I'm saying, You had
Speaker 1: to get your rest. I think that's when Billy started
Speaker 1: really kind of like, you know, breaking me in on
Speaker 1: that aspect, and he wouldn't let up. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Every morning you up, you got conditioned. If
Speaker 1: you don't go, you gotta go again the next day
Speaker 1: and again at night. So it was like, if you
Speaker 1: don't go, you gotta go twice the next day. So
Speaker 1: Billy was the first one to really really get that
Speaker 1: discipline in my life as far as that, and to
Speaker 1: this day, I still I still live like that. I
Speaker 1: still eat right, I still work out. You know I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I still train my body in my mind a certain way,
Speaker 1: just saying I love it so to decorated, you know
Speaker 1: for your player, which is rare these days. Um, two
Speaker 1: two you go undrafted. The minute that draft stop, what's
Speaker 1: going through your mind? The worst best night of my
Speaker 1: dawn life? Man I had, Man, I had a great
Speaker 1: college to really you know what I'm saying, Um, I
Speaker 1: had teams tell me it was gonna draft me. And
Speaker 1: that's what people don't understand. Man. Like, It's never been
Speaker 1: a situation where I've never been salty with the league
Speaker 1: or whatever the situation was. But I am salty when
Speaker 1: you look at my face and tell me something and
Speaker 1: you don't do that and you look you lie right
Speaker 1: to me and you look me at my face. I
Speaker 1: was never given it. I was never Nobody never told
Speaker 1: me they're gonna take me first round. A lot of
Speaker 1: people look at my face and tell me, if you're
Speaker 1: there a second round, we're gonna take you. Hm, that
Speaker 1: didn't happen. I was just motivation for the next phase
Speaker 1: of my life. Man. When I got to Europe. Man,
Speaker 1: I took one night. Man, I tell people this all
Speaker 1: the time. I took one night at the Bottle of
Speaker 1: Hennessy at Boston Black and Mirs. I gave myself one
Speaker 1: night the pity party. Get that ship out your system,
Speaker 1: feel bad for yourself, and get to work. And that's
Speaker 1: how I him and that's how I handled it. Man. People,
Speaker 1: I stayed on I stayed on American time while I
Speaker 1: was over there in France, I took naps um during
Speaker 1: the day. I stayed up and I communicated with my
Speaker 1: family and I worked out what was that experience? Like,
Speaker 1: how how difficult was it to play basketball in Florida,
Speaker 1: then go to the University of Florida and then you're
Speaker 1: overseas thinking you were going to be in the NBA. Man,
Speaker 1: I've never seen snow before. I cracked the wind shield. Dog.
Speaker 1: So I get up in the morning, it's ice all
Speaker 1: over the car, all over the wind shield. In my mind,
Speaker 1: he takes some hot water and throw it on the ship.
Speaker 1: The met that was that makes sense to me for
Speaker 1: what like man that ship boom the hold damn wind
Speaker 1: shield crack. I don't blow the people ship. Now I
Speaker 1: got it. Now I can't drop the next next. A
Speaker 1: month later, I'm driving. Now I don't know how to
Speaker 1: drive stick ship. If I'm driving that, I'm driving, I
Speaker 1: don't hit this man ship. He jumped out of the car.
Speaker 1: He of he talking that. I don't speak French. He
Speaker 1: talking friends. So now it's getting I know he talked
Speaker 1: to crazy. So now I didn't get one of them.
Speaker 1: I leave a car. I go to practice because now
Speaker 1: I know the car got the team name on it. Man.
Speaker 1: People come into the jail, so now I'm in France.
Speaker 1: I'm locked up. I don't did the day in friends jail.
Speaker 1: It was a learning experience, though, that's what I said.
Speaker 1: It was a learning experience. Man, I understood like every
Speaker 1: once again every hood in that your hood. Man, you
Speaker 1: can't live right when you out when you you a
Speaker 1: certain places, you gotta act a corney. Man. You ain't
Speaker 1: you out of bounds, bro, you gotta act. I'm over
Speaker 1: in France and not thinking I'm still in Miami and
Speaker 1: then it wasn't working like that. That's tough. See, all
Speaker 1: three of us have similar journeys, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Jack and I were drafted but didn't make it. And
Speaker 1: it's funny you say that. I went out got super high, drunk,
Speaker 1: and then I went to the d League because I
Speaker 1: really felt like I deserved to be in the NBA.
Speaker 1: So I just went there, just on on sucking everybody
Speaker 1: up and see that you or me, and it was
Speaker 1: gonna be me. And then Jack, you know, went on
Speaker 1: his journey and finally found his funding. But to me,
Speaker 1: once I got there, it made me appreciate it so
Speaker 1: much more. Like I didn't take ship for granted because
Speaker 1: people say, oh, you got drafted, you made it. That's
Speaker 1: the furthest thing from the truth, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: it had it was taken away from me before I
Speaker 1: ever got it. And by the time I got there,
Speaker 1: like I I played every gas. Why I played so
Speaker 1: fucking hard outside of being a football players, I played
Speaker 1: every game like it was my last because I was
Speaker 1: in a situation where it could have been not even
Speaker 1: talking about injury, but just I started on a ten
Speaker 1: day contract. You know what I mean? So that grind
Speaker 1: was real? How did you end up leaking up with Miami?
Speaker 1: Um in oh three? So like I said, um stat jack.
Speaker 1: Remember So I played some of the Heat and I
Speaker 1: had a great summer league. Me and the Way we
Speaker 1: had a great summer league. Right after that, I got
Speaker 1: a call from san Antonio. So I go play at
Speaker 1: san Antonio. I told that ship up. I'm telling my
Speaker 1: double double machine out there with san Antonio in Vegas.
Speaker 1: San Antonio offered me off me a one year deal
Speaker 1: at that time that he hadn't offered me anything yet.
Speaker 1: About a week later, after the Heat offered me, um,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. After san Antonio offer me um did, Heat
Speaker 1: called me and they offered me a two year deal.
Speaker 1: I go down and sign a deal and the great
Speaker 1: ball I could do a Hall of Famer man. This
Speaker 1: was something that I never forget, man, because when you
Speaker 1: talk about throwback jerseys, if you ask at hand, no
Speaker 1: MA could do it through. If you'll ask, ain't had
Speaker 1: no macadde throw back jersey. You you ain't even throw
Speaker 1: back game. You ain't a throw back game. So the Great,
Speaker 1: the Great Bob Mica do looked at me. He say, Man,
Speaker 1: I told him, people, once I've seen you in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas at that at that summer league, you better sign
Speaker 1: that boy. And with that, man, I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: Man once again, I'm just I'm my dog. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to eat out here. Man. But you take the time
Speaker 1: and you hear somebody like Michael Do say something like that,
Speaker 1: and you take time to kind of like step back
Speaker 1: and appreciate, you know, the work that you're putting in.
Speaker 1: But it makes you want to do more, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And make you want to do more,
Speaker 1: you know, it don't make you want to stop there.
Speaker 1: So you know, that was the beginning of my journey
Speaker 1: for the Miami Heat. You know, having an opportunity to
Speaker 1: go play for the Miami Heat and san Antonio really
Speaker 1: catapulted my career because you know how this goes. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it's a copycat league. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. How much they how much they offer them,
Speaker 1: They're gonna know ball, Yes said somebody offer you two dollars,
Speaker 1: They're gonna offer you two fifty. So it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't too san Antonio offer me one year and then
Speaker 1: he came back off of me too. That's how I
Speaker 1: worked out. Yeah, that's how I worked out, man, And
Speaker 1: y'all ground to man always always you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and I know you know what I'm saying this y'all show.
Speaker 1: So I ain't gonna give y'all. I can't, you know,
Speaker 1: take your time, but I do want to get y'all praise.
Speaker 1: I always appreciate it the way y'all play the game.
Speaker 1: And they were back down. We wasn't never the stuff
Speaker 1: for you. Stat used to get your shots up, but
Speaker 1: we weren't never really people that got a lot of shots.
Speaker 1: You got your ship up. Now you got to give up.
Speaker 1: You can't with your got the gun every now and yeah,
Speaker 1: but we weren't really guys that had a lot of
Speaker 1: plays round for us, man, But we find ways to
Speaker 1: impact winning, Dog, and people needed us on their team.
Speaker 1: You needed guys like us to win. Like I tell
Speaker 1: people all the time, Dog, you got drivers of the car,
Speaker 1: you got people that do all that other ship. But
Speaker 1: you take away the mechanic. Let that motherfucker don't crank
Speaker 1: up and where you're gonna go. Take away the people
Speaker 1: that work on and take away the people that change
Speaker 1: the oil, take away the people that change the tires
Speaker 1: and all that, and see how far that car go
Speaker 1: ain't going nowhere? That that's that that goes is what
Speaker 1: what Greg Poppers used to say. He was like, Man,
Speaker 1: you have a lot of teams. You got your Tim Duncans,
Speaker 1: you got your Kobe Bryant, you got your the d wads,
Speaker 1: But they don't win championship without run. I test Draymond Green,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jackson. You Donna's hassling always always always impacted winning, bro.
Speaker 1: And I commend y'all for that, man, because it could
Speaker 1: go the other way when you when you're only getting
Speaker 1: four or five shots. We haven't seeing people to go
Speaker 1: the other way. They can't figure out the way to
Speaker 1: impact winning. Now they't just a goddamn counsel. Now they're
Speaker 1: not you know what I'm saying. Now, you don't even
Speaker 1: want to be around the ass. No, you don't want
Speaker 1: to ask in the locker room. You want to be
Speaker 1: around the ass. You don't want to round you So
Speaker 1: you figure way the impact? Yeah, man, And if people
Speaker 1: don't know how tough that is on you mentally just
Speaker 1: to state and figure out where is the impact winning man.
Speaker 1: So especially when you commend to y'all, I'm committing. Appreciate that, bro,
Speaker 1: Thank you, bro. Appreciate it. So tell me that you
Speaker 1: d what was your welcome to the NBA moment? Oh man,
Speaker 1: Derrick Kobe, do you see d C d C Filing
Speaker 1: shipped out of me one game when he was playing
Speaker 1: for Filling? And I say, damn you see you try
Speaker 1: to hit me that hard? You say, y'all felt if
Speaker 1: I tried to hurt you, you you have been on a stretcher.
Speaker 1: I said, Okay, it wasn't. Listen, I respect that. I
Speaker 1: know now, I know if you was really trying to
Speaker 1: suck me up, I would have been out of here.
Speaker 1: I get it. I get people don't know. Derrek Coleman
Speaker 1: one of the motherfucker's when he says something he mean it,
Speaker 1: ain't know if it's but about it. He told me, listen,
Speaker 1: ya felt, if I was really try to hurt your
Speaker 1: assould have been on a stretching. Respect you know, And
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't that I was scared. But he's
Speaker 1: getting real like, if I was really trying to hurt
Speaker 1: your ass, I would have hurt you heavy handed. Nigger,
Speaker 1: big old heavy hands. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, they on this ship out here,
Speaker 1: they hurt your ans if they feel that's what they
Speaker 1: are out here. I get it. But see that's a
Speaker 1: different game though, you know what I mean. We came
Speaker 1: in Jack, you came in uh late nineties and early
Speaker 1: two thousands. We came in early two thousands. It was
Speaker 1: real like we was playing with some real big dudes.
Speaker 1: I remember playing with Shaq early, you know, midway through
Speaker 1: my career, and he used to say, you know, if
Speaker 1: so so it gets going, just send him to the
Speaker 1: paint and I'll put him out. I said, Yo, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Said Shock used to let them
Speaker 1: let him come to the paint. I'm gonna knock him down.
Speaker 1: And that was just the of the game, hard fouls.
Speaker 1: But the game is so different now. But I remember
Speaker 1: banging against them O G s. And you never knew
Speaker 1: what that old man strength was until you ran straight
Speaker 1: up real talk man got them to this day. Man,
Speaker 1: old man strength is real. People don't know what People
Speaker 1: don't think that that is real. Man strength is something else. Yes, man,
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, put that form on your ass. You ain't
Speaker 1: going nowhere. Do them. You said what you want to say,
Speaker 1: You're gonna form and hand check and do all this.
Speaker 1: You ain't going nowhere, And we caught the end where
Speaker 1: you could form and you could grab their hip. Remember
Speaker 1: when they would try to grab your hip, then you
Speaker 1: really wasn't moving at all. Like you couldn't even get
Speaker 1: out of that show. You had to run away to
Speaker 1: get away. Man, that was a grown man basketball. That's
Speaker 1: when that's when they found out your ass couldn't play
Speaker 1: no defense. They go at you times, go at your
Speaker 1: fifty to turn four. Hey, listen, they will go at
Speaker 1: your as fifty five times. That took you out ship real.
Speaker 1: What was your pression obviously coming in getting your chance
Speaker 1: on oh three? What was your impression of a young
Speaker 1: d Way man so green? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like man for the Way, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: when he came down to Miami, like I have been overseas,
Speaker 1: but I felt like when he came down to Miami,
Speaker 1: like he was real quiet. Um. You know, they didn't
Speaker 1: say much. You know, only time you really saw like
Speaker 1: an aggressive side or or like a side that really
Speaker 1: was like fourceful was on the basketball court. Man even
Speaker 1: off the basketball court. He didn't talk much, but we
Speaker 1: spent so much time together. Man, we were living in
Speaker 1: uh the Mutiny Hotel, me the way. He was standing
Speaker 1: in the Mutey Hotel, and o J. O J was
Speaker 1: standing in the Mutey Hotel too. We were staying down
Speaker 1: out the Muty Hotel. I see I had the weight
Speaker 1: on y'all show. I wish I would ask the way
Speaker 1: about o J. We stay and get hey, he's talking
Speaker 1: about you, talking about the juice. The juice that's up.
Speaker 1: It's up. And listen o J. Listen. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get off. O J. Woman tried to hold at
Speaker 1: the way. I say, the way listen here. I said that,
Speaker 1: and I think that's how many the way got told.
Speaker 1: I said, listen here, you know that's OJ woman. Boy.
Speaker 1: I say, you know that's boy. I said, no, maybe
Speaker 1: I have to call the people over here. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: the way was living in the Mutiny man and and
Speaker 1: o J. Woman tried to hould that the way man,
Speaker 1: I told you weight of rip man, listen, man, don't
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know that's OJ woman. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he did it or he didn't do it.
Speaker 1: But we might have that we might have to we
Speaker 1: might have to handle him if he come over were playing.
Speaker 1: But we literally spent that something together. Man. When people
Speaker 1: talk about Miami Heat coaching, man, it's really a coaching. Man.
Speaker 1: You build a bond through the work ethic. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And that's what people, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, don't understand, is we really build our bond
Speaker 1: through working together and pushing each other so many way
Speaker 1: spend the whole some of together. Our workouts in the
Speaker 1: morning was we was at the track at you know,
Speaker 1: I'm running. We was over that the arena, fire basketball
Speaker 1: in our weights. Uh. Afternoon we would go over to
Speaker 1: zo um and uh over town we go to Zojim.
Speaker 1: We play pick up a lot of pros in town
Speaker 1: and summer, and then at night when we go back
Speaker 1: over to the arena, we would get our shots up.
Speaker 1: And that's literally how man, you way to spend the
Speaker 1: whole something. That was it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was me and him and just like the same thing.
Speaker 1: You you in my city, man, and I'm gonna look out.
Speaker 1: You know, you come to the gril crib, You're gonna
Speaker 1: get something. We're gonna ripe through the hood. I'm make
Speaker 1: sure my people take care of you. When the time
Speaker 1: D Way went out, we ain't nobody tapped one show
Speaker 1: to say I'm d homeboy. You straight need anything, just
Speaker 1: let me know. And it's just how it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't use that line before.
Speaker 1: I'm d your own boy. I listen, and I don't
Speaker 1: use that lie before two stad Jack, everybody knew. And
Speaker 1: it's real. You really recognize me, Man, you're a certain
Speaker 1: place you tap in. Man, you already know what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got it. You got to do it if I'm
Speaker 1: in there, if I'm in that lake. Yeah, I'm at
Speaker 1: home Boy for show. I don't want no problems home boy.
Speaker 1: I'm too old for that. Man. I'm man. I got
Speaker 1: more time behind me than I do ahead of me. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't want no problems man with you on that one.
Speaker 1: So what was it like the growth see coming in
Speaker 1: as a rookie? When did you kind of see him
Speaker 1: start making his stride? Man? Wow, she I think when
Speaker 1: they moved him to the point guard. I think when
Speaker 1: they moved him to the point guard. I don't I
Speaker 1: want to say it was maybe halfway through our last season, Um,
Speaker 1: they moved to I'm sorry halfway through our first season. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I don't think people remember that the way
Speaker 1: they played point you know, his first year, and I
Speaker 1: think about halfway through our first season is when he
Speaker 1: moved the point guards, when he kind of finally started
Speaker 1: like coming into his own. Maybe he felt more comfortable
Speaker 1: just having a ball in his hand all the time.
Speaker 1: It wasn't because he was making place for no damn
Speaker 1: by that tell you that, but comfortab might just felt
Speaker 1: more comfortable half of the ball in and mans all
Speaker 1: the time because he was because he started getting to
Speaker 1: the money. You know what I'm saying. You start getting
Speaker 1: to the money, started getting his bags pulled up. He
Speaker 1: was getting to the basket. I never seen nobody get
Speaker 1: to the basket the way he was able to get
Speaker 1: to the basket. You couldn't stop him to get into
Speaker 1: the basket if you wanted to, Like, no matter what
Speaker 1: you did, you couldn't stop him from getting to the basket.
Speaker 1: And then once he started hitting people with that put
Speaker 1: up and all that ship like that, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was just a different ball game. And I mean people
Speaker 1: look at the move that he made. I think you
Speaker 1: know it always goes back. That took us to our
Speaker 1: first playoffs for we want our first playoffs series against
Speaker 1: Southern New Orleans. Um that movie, he had the ball.
Speaker 1: We I sold him up top against b D. Shout
Speaker 1: out to be d um a real, a real one,
Speaker 1: another real shout out of man. So I at the
Speaker 1: top of gainst b D. And he made a tough shot. Man.
Speaker 1: I think you know from that point on, you know
Speaker 1: the ways, uh, you know, his legend just you know,
Speaker 1: kept going from that point. Let's do the way. He
Speaker 1: was the king of rejecting screens man, to reject your
Speaker 1: ass off to the base, to the baseline and go
Speaker 1: dunk that bit. Man. He retired great, he was great
Speaker 1: at that, man, he was really great at that. Man.
Speaker 1: Then he started that Euro and then he didn't started,
Speaker 1: but obviously he took it and made it, mastered it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he made it more athletic and started dunking people with it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. The Euro was a layup,
Speaker 1: you're dunk your ass like that was the young d
Speaker 1: Way was dunking that bitch. Yeah, you're on dunk your
Speaker 1: grass man, Who are your vets on that team? Man? Uh,
Speaker 1: Karan Butler, shout out CB, he backed out with us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, somebody who I get to
Speaker 1: tap in with now, because being the O G, I
Speaker 1: really have nobody to sit down and really tap in
Speaker 1: with when I need a voice. So Karan Butler, Um,
Speaker 1: Brian Grant, Eddie Jones for a lot of dar legend.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Eddie Jones was was my
Speaker 1: was my vet. You know, all those are great guys, man,
Speaker 1: you know, uh shout out to brand. Grant was probably
Speaker 1: at that time the closest you know person to me. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, he really taked me a lot at that
Speaker 1: time about work ethic, grinding, this league, being undersized, shooting
Speaker 1: that little mere Range jumper. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot that media. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I just thought I was gonna get that post work
Speaker 1: down there at six seven. That ship wasn't realistic. I
Speaker 1: hadn't learned how to shoot that MIDI. Yeah. What with
Speaker 1: b G Man? What b g A Right now? He's
Speaker 1: running his own foundation man out there in Portland. Man,
Speaker 1: he's doing well. He's really real tapped into that foundation
Speaker 1: workout there in Portland. Uh, today's birthday too, man Man,
Speaker 1: Happy birthday, b G Man. That's my boys and my
Speaker 1: love to him to U D that's a real one man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the show is Man took me out on his boat,
Speaker 1: Man and it really took me onder this wing you
Speaker 1: know down here. Man showed me a lot of love,
Speaker 1: took me out to the strip clubs with him, Kevin
Speaker 1: to Cavin as he should. All I had to do
Speaker 1: was all I had to do was have his coffee
Speaker 1: for me. He played by his coffee. Ain't if you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have his coffee your asses, grass. That's all I
Speaker 1: had to do was have his coffee. I remember them
Speaker 1: them rookie duties, and I don't know if that should
Speaker 1: exists anymore, but they really hates to have to bring
Speaker 1: the paper to the coffee. The dog dog. We ain't
Speaker 1: had no uble. Remember that ship. We had to go
Speaker 1: get your coffee with no damn Oba. You can't press
Speaker 1: the button and just have a car pick up and
Speaker 1: take you there. And you had to figure that ship out.
Speaker 1: And the investly want to hear that. They adn't want
Speaker 1: to hear I couldn't get those car. They didn't want
Speaker 1: to hear no cab ship. You had to have the
Speaker 1: people ship. These guys got bobus. They could press the
Speaker 1: but and they're gonna get our ship and come back quick.
Speaker 1: Whatever we need, we had it. Have shipped for the plane,
Speaker 1: have ship after the games. When you hop on that
Speaker 1: late night fly, you gotta go have the drink ready.
Speaker 1: Like there was some real rules and regulations that they
Speaker 1: went down. Yeah. Man, But then at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, they took care of you, you know, playoff
Speaker 1: on whatever it is they took m her Dam was everything.
Speaker 1: When I first got in the league, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: what's this Like? I used to they used to get
Speaker 1: to the O G pass the little per DM checks
Speaker 1: man b mft that ship, boy, blow that ship fast
Speaker 1: that ship. But the game? What's that last? Burn a
Speaker 1: hole in our pockets? Right up? What was it like
Speaker 1: when Shot came and joined the team? Man? Wow? Oh, expectations.
Speaker 1: You know, I think a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 1: the expectations when when they're changing. It's it's different when
Speaker 1: you're playing with championship expectations and when you're just playing
Speaker 1: basketball on the team. Big difference. Now we got championship expectations,
Speaker 1: We got somebody coming to Miami that's talking about winning
Speaker 1: the championship. We got somebody that's coming to Miami that
Speaker 1: has won the championship. So when Shaq came to Miami,
Speaker 1: actually I started the criticism started for me first before
Speaker 1: anybody because and I still remember to this day, they
Speaker 1: the article was written that Shock had never won a championship.
Speaker 1: That's how they come up with all kind of numbers. See,
Speaker 1: I remember ship like this, Shock never won the championship
Speaker 1: with anybody under six nine. Oh, it's a power forward.
Speaker 1: So now, so now you're saying, Travis Knight is better
Speaker 1: than me because he was taller than me. I tell
Speaker 1: Travis Knight ass upright, Like what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: So now you're saying because they're tallering to me, to
Speaker 1: look at the name. I could go down the list
Speaker 1: of people that have taller to me that he played with,
Speaker 1: and I eat that ship. So now I'm saying to
Speaker 1: myself once again, they go with that bullshit. It's always there.
Speaker 1: You ain't you ain't gotta go far to find it.
Speaker 1: They bring it to you that they'll bring it to you. Man,
Speaker 1: People say, how you still do it at this at
Speaker 1: this at this stage, because it's always there. The bullshit
Speaker 1: is always do you know what I'm saying, it's always
Speaker 1: do Now You've for a lot of people down, my
Speaker 1: bad man, But you're a blueprint for a lot of people, man,
Speaker 1: because like even us, you know, even me, especially like you,
Speaker 1: you figured it out, Bro, like you figured it out,
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of people can't figure it out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, through the ups and downs,
Speaker 1: like a lot of players. And I ain't talking about
Speaker 1: people that's never played again. I'm talking about players. Bro.
Speaker 1: We commend you because you was able to figure it out.
Speaker 1: Not only did you figure it out, you figured it
Speaker 1: out at home, at home. You know what I'm saying. Man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this though, it ain't been all good. Bro.
Speaker 1: We know that, you know, I know that. You know, Bro,
Speaker 1: yourself and a dog and you don't want to be bothered,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to talk to nobody, man, and
Speaker 1: you and you want one. You feel sleepless. Nice man,
Speaker 1: I had to pay my dues. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it ain't been all good. I love the role that
Speaker 1: I have and I enjoyed the success, man, But to
Speaker 1: make this transition, I've been some sleepless, fucking nice bro grund.
Speaker 1: Just real. I got a chance to play with Shaq
Speaker 1: a little later in his career two years after Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh eight oh eight or nine. I can't like he can't,
Speaker 1: he said, can to Miami with expectation, talking about winning
Speaker 1: the ring. You guys been able to do that? More
Speaker 1: touch on that. But what was he like in the
Speaker 1: locker room? Because to me, that motherfucker's said, befoot kid
Speaker 1: always always playing ship and not flushing the toilet, running
Speaker 1: around naked man all the time, man jokes man, going
Speaker 1: drink out the orange juice caught and then don't close
Speaker 1: and ship up. Just Chris wow man on the chain.
Speaker 1: That nigger used to be famous for running through naked
Speaker 1: and like grabbing people, like tackling the trainers. And he
Speaker 1: tried to pay me one time. I was just like,
Speaker 1: come on, bro, don't play this game too big like
Speaker 1: ass playing all the time. Man, what that I didn't
Speaker 1: when I was young. And when you're young and you're
Speaker 1: coming from where we come from, man, you're like, go
Speaker 1: head on with that ship. They fell on that brill
Speaker 1: ship man, Like go ahead with that ship, man. But
Speaker 1: as you get older, you understand the importance of having
Speaker 1: somebody to keep it light, and somebody playing, and somebody
Speaker 1: that got you smiling, and then somebody that's cracking jokes.
Speaker 1: And I ain't saying you got to run around as snaked,
Speaker 1: but you understand, you understand the important of somebody that
Speaker 1: keep it light every day when you come in our
Speaker 1: locker roomcause that ship could get to be it could
Speaker 1: be zombie moment. After a while, you get to see
Speaker 1: in the same people every day, you're doing the same ship,
Speaker 1: and then it just become a routine, man. And once
Speaker 1: it becomes a routine, man, you forget that you're playing
Speaker 1: in the NBA and you're making millions of dollars. You
Speaker 1: forget because you're just don't fell into that routine and
Speaker 1: just doing this every day. So it was it's important.
Speaker 1: I ain't understand that then, but it's important to have
Speaker 1: somebody like that. I keep the locker room like, not
Speaker 1: that kind of way, but I got my way of
Speaker 1: cracking jokes and you keep you keep your clothes on
Speaker 1: though all my ship all all the ain't so. Two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, two thousand five, you guys go to
Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference Finals, uh, losing seven games, to Detroit.
Speaker 1: How tough was that Pistons team? Big shot ass up
Speaker 1: boy Chauncey and they called him big shot. I've seen
Speaker 1: it firsthand. When we talk about somebody that just wait
Speaker 1: till the fourth quarter to put their foot in your ass,
Speaker 1: I mean whatnot we could do with Chauncey in the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, man, Because you talk about I had to
Speaker 1: deal with sheet on the block. So when it girls
Speaker 1: down the sheet, I got a sheet one on one,
Speaker 1: he made the turnaround jumper. So now we're going to
Speaker 1: the point where I read sheets. So now she can't
Speaker 1: get the ball no more. Because if you get if
Speaker 1: you get him first of all the six and leven,
Speaker 1: he turn around, you shoot from up pill. So now
Speaker 1: we make the adjustment the red sheet. We take him
Speaker 1: out of the game. He can't get the ball in
Speaker 1: the mom I'm just using my quickness, in my in
Speaker 1: my strength just to keep him out of the game. Man,
Speaker 1: when I tell you and shout out to Damon Jones, man,
Speaker 1: I love Damon Jones. That's my home. But but when
Speaker 1: I tell you, Chauncey took his ass through the KLC
Speaker 1: drive through and gave him a three piece and asking
Speaker 1: what he wanted on the side. Man. Everybody, Hey, everybody
Speaker 1: took damnd Jones through the drive through. Man. Listen, that
Speaker 1: ship was at the end of the game. Man, I
Speaker 1: love D Jones, man, but it was thirty. Chauncey had thirty.
Speaker 1: D Jones had a doughnut. Man. That was when you
Speaker 1: talk about that was all dark meat, too fried, and
Speaker 1: then it was all flats. It was right there. That
Speaker 1: ain't even fry. So man, listen, when you talk about
Speaker 1: that series, man, we was able to come bat a
Speaker 1: lot of different things, man, but we could not deal
Speaker 1: with Chauncey in the fourth quarter. That was. That was
Speaker 1: the one thing we couldn't come back to keep up
Speaker 1: with that team. You know what I'm saying. We was
Speaker 1: able to come bat a lot of different things. There
Speaker 1: was a great defensive team when you talk about you
Speaker 1: know the way they had with Tay Shawn Prince and
Speaker 1: Van Wallace and you know all those guys. But you
Speaker 1: know we couldn't come back. Um, you know Chauncey because
Speaker 1: he always did it in the fourth quarter. I mean
Speaker 1: literally the first three quarters, he getting everybody involved, he
Speaker 1: playing the game the right way. In the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: come in, I'm telling you know Chauncey went back your
Speaker 1: ass down too. So now he getting the post and
Speaker 1: go to Now he getting the post and go on
Speaker 1: the dam and ass. So now he don't hit it
Speaker 1: with ship three or four times of the post. So
Speaker 1: now staying tell me to go down and dig. I
Speaker 1: go down and did he threw that ship out and
Speaker 1: she she hit the three on my face from uphill.
Speaker 1: I told Stan, I ain't digging no more. He got
Speaker 1: to go his man. He got to go in, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all take that as gonna take that ass what I
Speaker 1: was staying. I told Stan, I ain't digging no more.
Speaker 1: He got to go out. Hiss y'all, yeah, because he's crazy.
Speaker 1: So this is like we're talking like this is before
Speaker 1: you switch picks and all that kind of ship like
Speaker 1: you had to guard your man back in the day
Speaker 1: if they would send a dig or a double. But
Speaker 1: outside of that you had to guard like. It wasn't
Speaker 1: no switching screens or cross like, no, you had to
Speaker 1: guard your motherfucking man. Yeah, she hit that. Turn around me,
Speaker 1: I say, catching no more. Yeah, he got he can't
Speaker 1: catch it no more. He won't catch you. And they
Speaker 1: went to putting. They went to putting Chauncey in the post.
Speaker 1: I dug one time she hit one three on me.
Speaker 1: I told he got to guard this man. I ain't
Speaker 1: going down there. That's it. So they end up taking
Speaker 1: you guys next season, Uh is your guys championship season,
Speaker 1: But you gotta start off slow. Eleven and ten understand, Uh,
Speaker 1: Mafia pat Riley makes an executive decision to replace stand
Speaker 1: with herself. You guys end up going forty one and
Speaker 1: twenty the rest of the way and go on and
Speaker 1: win a championship. What was the turning point for that team?
Speaker 1: Was it Pat coming down? Were you guys already talking
Speaker 1: with it? A combination of both? What got what got
Speaker 1: you guys on the right track? I mean, we really
Speaker 1: stopped focusing on pressure and winning the championship. We just
Speaker 1: stopped playing the game basketball. And I think everybody understood
Speaker 1: what the expectations were, and I think everybody wanted to
Speaker 1: get to that level. Um. But realistically, that was the
Speaker 1: first time, you know, having that group of guys together.
Speaker 1: You think about the trade that we made that year
Speaker 1: when we brought in j Will and pose shout out
Speaker 1: to my dog pos. Another real one. When you talked
Speaker 1: about j Willing and Pose and all of them dudes
Speaker 1: we brought in man Um, you know, we were in
Speaker 1: Antoine Walker, Um, you know, Gary Payton, you know we're
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, Jason Capon, Shandon Anderson camponos Zo. You know,
Speaker 1: it was really the first time we had that group
Speaker 1: of guys together. So the expectations was there. But you know,
Speaker 1: you can't rush that, you know, you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: just make it happy. You know, even with the Big
Speaker 1: Three we had that run, we started all slow, so
Speaker 1: you know, the expectations was then we just had to
Speaker 1: figure out to get it together. And what you do is,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people what people understanding in
Speaker 1: basketball and then this sport is if you win a
Speaker 1: seven game series that don't happen by accident, you're better
Speaker 1: than that team. But you can't get hot in this
Speaker 1: ship at the right time. You can't get hot in
Speaker 1: this ship at the right time. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You can't get hot in this ship at the right time.
Speaker 1: And sport team that team got hot at the right time.
Speaker 1: We got hot at the right time in the playoffs. Man,
Speaker 1: we got how at the right time, and it really
Speaker 1: the wheel started turning at the right time for us.
Speaker 1: Take us back. What was that journey like, you guys
Speaker 1: first round with the Bulls six games, Nts in five games,
Speaker 1: Pistons in six, you got your rematch, and then you
Speaker 1: guys beat Dallas in six for the title. Talk to
Speaker 1: us about that run. What do you remember most about it?
Speaker 1: Outside of d Way being amazing against Dallas Man, I
Speaker 1: mean just being surreal. You know, every step that I
Speaker 1: was taking, I was saying to myself, Man, they ain't
Speaker 1: even believe I could be here. So every every every
Speaker 1: step for me was another opportunity to show the world
Speaker 1: that Udonis hasn't really deserve to be an NBA, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I took every step personal.
Speaker 1: I took every every game personal. I took a playoff
Speaker 1: series personal, and and and as great of a guy
Speaker 1: as Dirk is, and as much as you know, I
Speaker 1: love and respect Dirk Man, I got the upmost respect
Speaker 1: for Dirk Man. I took that matchup personally. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I took that personal. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I take it personal from a lot of
Speaker 1: different aspects. I take it personal because I wasn't drafted
Speaker 1: and I took a personal because of what he did
Speaker 1: prior to that playoff, dirt was tamned. People asked, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be next in line. They had
Speaker 1: to not already put me on the plate. It served
Speaker 1: me up, you know what I'm saying, Like I was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the next to get you know, chop
Speaker 1: sticks and all. I was supposed to get that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, That's what they were saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm just sitting there watching once again,
Speaker 1: they're bringing that ship to my dough. I ain't looking forward,
Speaker 1: but it's the right you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: specially was to be a part of bringing the first
Speaker 1: NBA title back to Miami. You know what when I
Speaker 1: did that, man, that's when I realized that I had
Speaker 1: been all the way around the world and it brought
Speaker 1: me back to Miami. You know what I'm saying, That
Speaker 1: I had to go to France to get back here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that's the first time I
Speaker 1: realized that I was I was. I was taking around
Speaker 1: the world just to come back to my seat and
Speaker 1: do something different and do something. Being around the world
Speaker 1: and now yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, feelers don't know about that.
Speaker 1: When your boys don't know about that, they wouldn't know,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't know where to start with that. Man. I
Speaker 1: had to ask one of the young boys other day.
Speaker 1: Spot asked one of the young boys of other Days,
Speaker 1: they know who James Worthy was? And he said no. Man,
Speaker 1: I didn't feel like, oh my god, he take his
Speaker 1: contract labor maham, how you don't know jas that that
Speaker 1: jack out down? I felt out, my chep man, he
Speaker 1: had pressure to you know who dreams what it was?
Speaker 1: The pressure said no, man felt like James, that's the man.
Speaker 1: But I mean, damn, why don't lost my train of thought.
Speaker 1: Let's see, I had something forty What if we were
Speaker 1: just talking about. That's that forty old ship bringing the
Speaker 1: first championship back to Miami. Yeah, bringing the first ship.
Speaker 1: That was the first time I realized, man, that I
Speaker 1: was able to do something bigger than man because the
Speaker 1: city came out. You know what I'm saying. The city
Speaker 1: came out, and then I saw how the city reacted
Speaker 1: to me, and man, that made me just want to
Speaker 1: do more in the city. So once I see how
Speaker 1: to recite the reactor, to me, not just the championship
Speaker 1: team me. It was different when I went back in
Speaker 1: the You know what I'm saying, I never I never
Speaker 1: had security. I never had security. I always had my homeboy.
Speaker 1: I moved a certain way, and that's how I moved, man.
Speaker 1: But to see how the city reacted to me when
Speaker 1: I went back in the hoods, when I went back
Speaker 1: around my people, when you were a champion, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and you want to and you want
Speaker 1: to ours It's like you damn president in the hood
Speaker 1: and you want to And I did it the right way,
Speaker 1: feel me, and I did, man. So I was like
Speaker 1: I was like I was like I was. They called
Speaker 1: me the princes of the city. I never called myself that.
Speaker 1: I never self proclaiming myself that, But people had given
Speaker 1: me that name. You feel me, and I feel like
Speaker 1: they had a lot to do with the success that
Speaker 1: I had. But I took that success and I wanted
Speaker 1: to do more with it. Man. So now it's time
Speaker 1: to go to the next level with the business. And
Speaker 1: you provide jobs, and you provide opportunities, you do low
Speaker 1: income house and you do this that. In the third
Speaker 1: you touch a little bit of everything. Man, And that's
Speaker 1: the O G s in me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I had to push the hustler. You touch it all
Speaker 1: if you can. Yeaholutely, that's what it is. You got
Speaker 1: a chance to play and we've touched on this a
Speaker 1: little bit, but you got a chance to play with
Speaker 1: one of the greatest two guards ever. Not only was
Speaker 1: he here a teammate, but it was your brother. What
Speaker 1: was it like watching his run, his greatness, him leaving
Speaker 1: and then coming back and finishing the right way? What
Speaker 1: was that like for you as a brother to be
Speaker 1: right next to him during that time? Man? I was
Speaker 1: I felt slightly Uh well, first of all, when he left,
Speaker 1: I had no issues with that. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying for me. You you right around. You take sides
Speaker 1: with a dog, and that that's all I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ride with right anyway, regardless the way. You
Speaker 1: know that, I'm always gonna ride with the way. You
Speaker 1: know that, And that's until the wheels fall off this ship.
Speaker 1: So whatever he wanted to do, I had his back. Um.
Speaker 1: That's probably the strongest our relationship has gotten because I
Speaker 1: really we really made an effort that we really had
Speaker 1: to make an effort to keep in touch with each other.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Before we were just at
Speaker 1: each other face every day. It was just natural, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And you know how easy it
Speaker 1: is when you see somebody every day just to keep
Speaker 1: in touch, and then when they trade it or next
Speaker 1: year theyre with somebody else, y'all don't even talk no more,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So when the Way it
Speaker 1: was gone, we actually talked more um about ship besides
Speaker 1: basketball than we ever did life. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Are you happy? Are you happy off the court? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Because then we started to realize
Speaker 1: what true happiness was and that ship had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with basketball. All our life up until that point,
Speaker 1: we thought they had to do with basketball. We thought
Speaker 1: it was on the quarter, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think at that time and the Way's life,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, we really started to understand
Speaker 1: what true happened is well, true happiness is doing what
Speaker 1: you want to do. True happiness is going back to
Speaker 1: your hometown and plan. I've experienced that. I know how
Speaker 1: powerful that can be. I know the impact even have
Speaker 1: in your city. If you're able to bring a championship,
Speaker 1: are you able to do that for your city and
Speaker 1: lead them to that. So I understood him taking that
Speaker 1: chance and wanted to be able to have the opportunity
Speaker 1: to feel that. I want to be an opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that for Chicago. I know what that feels like.
Speaker 1: And as a friend, you support somebody that does that.
Speaker 1: So for me, I was very supportive of him. Fast
Speaker 1: forward to when he came back. Man, God bless dead,
Speaker 1: we had we had to go to my agent, our agent,
Speaker 1: you know, Henry Thomas's funeral, and after the funeral, you know,
Speaker 1: deep mid way to now on the on the plane
Speaker 1: and we're just talking man, and you know, I'm just
Speaker 1: telling him, you know, we we we got we we
Speaker 1: we gotta finish you know what this ship how we started.
Speaker 1: We gotta finish it. We gotta finish it, you know, Hank,
Speaker 1: we want us to finish it. Um. You know, it's
Speaker 1: just you know, if you come to Miami and you
Speaker 1: just seeing you understand, you understand the impact that you
Speaker 1: were able to have on the next generation as well
Speaker 1: as what I'm able to have because you will play,
Speaker 1: they'll put you out there, so you impact would go
Speaker 1: even further than mind. Um. And you know, we all
Speaker 1: men and the way laughing, we joke about it. But man,
Speaker 1: maybe he hain't heard that conversation from upstairs. Man, because
Speaker 1: literally about two weeks later, Um, you know, the way
Speaker 1: it was moved to move down to Miami was traded
Speaker 1: from Cleveland down in Miami. And I think that was
Speaker 1: a reservation for you know, our team, and I think
Speaker 1: that was a reservation for him. You know, things didn't
Speaker 1: go the way he wanted it to go in Cleveland,
Speaker 1: you know, or Chicago. Um. And I think that was
Speaker 1: also a resuration for me, man, because you know, I
Speaker 1: was probably on my way out man, And it had
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the heat, but you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it just wasn't as fun anymore, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And I think that my brother brought that back to
Speaker 1: me up take us back, Um, the Big Three comes
Speaker 1: to Miami. What was your reaction when you heard it
Speaker 1: was official that Lebron and Bosh was coming on y'all ship.
Speaker 1: I was on my way out of here and ain't
Speaker 1: had that money, right, Yea, I ain't had that money, right.
Speaker 1: I ain't like I a as much as I lovething
Speaker 1: about what was going on, the part that I didn't like.
Speaker 1: They had my money right and I was on my
Speaker 1: way out. You know what I'm saying, And that's no
Speaker 1: knock on the heat. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: gotta salary cap, you gotta make your decision. You gotta
Speaker 1: do what you gotta do. So I hit the way
Speaker 1: like yo, you know what I'm saying. Once again, as brothers,
Speaker 1: you support your brother Yo. I love you boy. Y'all
Speaker 1: got a chance to do something special. I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: I'm on the e Way driving Bentley. I never forget
Speaker 1: because many way got match with Bentley's Um. You know
Speaker 1: when we won our first championship, you know. So I'm
Speaker 1: on the way in the Bentley Man and uh. I
Speaker 1: get off the expressway and I get a call from
Speaker 1: my agent, UM and he said, you know, uh what,
Speaker 1: uh what what? You get ready to pull in? I say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm right, I'm I'm righting it from the arena. I'm
Speaker 1: about to pull in and say, wait five minutes, don't
Speaker 1: go in yet. So I pulled him to the outside
Speaker 1: of the arena. I wait five minutes, and he called
Speaker 1: me back he said, all right, you can go in.
Speaker 1: So now I'm thinking I'm walking into tell Pat thank you,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, I'll love you. But I ain't playing
Speaker 1: for no minimum right now. I'm in my prime. I
Speaker 1: can't do that. Now. I've taken pay cuts, but I
Speaker 1: ain't no damn food. So at that time, I'm ain't
Speaker 1: every way to tell a Pat that I'm out here.
Speaker 1: My agent car, he said, going, I go on with Pat,
Speaker 1: my agent on the phone. The way he got on
Speaker 1: the phone with Bron CB, he figured it out. He
Speaker 1: took a little less. Bron and CB took a little less.
Speaker 1: They made a little little cut for me. I think
Speaker 1: we got it to like twenty um. I think I
Speaker 1: had thirty on the table. Um. So it was a
Speaker 1: timmy and dollar pay cut. But for the opportunity to
Speaker 1: ring another championship to the crib, to play with those
Speaker 1: dudes and understand what my role was. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I understood my role. Let's take nothing away
Speaker 1: from their greatness. But once again, you need somebody to
Speaker 1: change the oil, and the mother for the car ain't going,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I understood what my
Speaker 1: role would be and that was unique to everything that
Speaker 1: was brought together to that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: That gumbo. That part of gumbo. When you talk about CB,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, When you talk about Brown,
Speaker 1: when you talk about the way you talk about me,
Speaker 1: that's gumbo right there. Man. It's all different flavors and
Speaker 1: spices and personalities and egos. And I understood there was
Speaker 1: nothing like me in that park, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I understood what I could bring to that, and
Speaker 1: you know, I just felt like it was the right
Speaker 1: thing to do. I never made decisions based on money
Speaker 1: that ain't high moved. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: gotta be it, gotta be what I feel. You gotta
Speaker 1: be what I want to do. Shout out to them
Speaker 1: dudes for doing that though that's happened. You know a
Speaker 1: few times where I remember Gilbert did that for somebody
Speaker 1: and that was dope. They did that for you. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, on paper, you guys look like the team
Speaker 1: and and and ship. In real life, you guys look
Speaker 1: like the team. How difficult was it getting everybody on
Speaker 1: the same page, because I mean, those are guys everyone
Speaker 1: is used to be in a star. You know, d
Speaker 1: Wade is a star, Braun is a star, Bosh is
Speaker 1: a star. You're a star in your role? How was
Speaker 1: it getting those three, uh and the rest of the
Speaker 1: team to kind of understand what it was? And the
Speaker 1: hardest thing was getting dude is not to step on
Speaker 1: each other toes. And nobody wanted to step on nobody toes.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Nobody wanted to be too
Speaker 1: aggressive and be a ballhog. Everybody wanted to make share,
Speaker 1: everybody get comfortable. Meanwhile, ain't nobody getting comfortable, you know saying?
Speaker 1: So I think that's the hardest thing was, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, just getting everybody to adjust it, just
Speaker 1: being yourself and then we'll figure it out from there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, once we got everybody to be theirselves, then
Speaker 1: the next hardest thing was for the role players. You know,
Speaker 1: how can we impact this? Your ass might get three shots,
Speaker 1: You might get three and you got it. Might it
Speaker 1: could be the biggest three of the night. It could
Speaker 1: be the double team. He got the spread of your
Speaker 1: ass in the corner. You ain't shot in thirty minutes.
Speaker 1: You better make this one. So as a role player,
Speaker 1: you're expected to make this one. Ain't nobody looking at
Speaker 1: you saying, oh, he don't get those shots. He ain't
Speaker 1: got a shot if your ass is open for the
Speaker 1: game when the people expecting you to make it so
Speaker 1: as a role player, you know, how do we adjust
Speaker 1: to being in this role of you know, understanding that
Speaker 1: opportunities might come fuming fine between, but we still gotta
Speaker 1: make our shots. We can't wind about it, and we
Speaker 1: still gotta impact winning some shape from a fashion or
Speaker 1: on the business side. Yeahsses out of here right, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They ain't gonna move the Big three.
Speaker 1: They're gonna move your ass. But people don't understand you.
Speaker 1: People don't understand you tossed out of earlier. Obviously Jack
Speaker 1: got the green light. But people like me and you,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes we would get five shots and when
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta make at least two of their
Speaker 1: motherfucker's you know, I mean, you get seven shots, you
Speaker 1: gotta hit at least three or four. And that's the
Speaker 1: kind of outside of all the dirty work we did,
Speaker 1: we always had to keep that out of our mind, like, oh,
Speaker 1: should I miss my first three? I got in the
Speaker 1: next one. You know what I mean, like, you put
Speaker 1: that pressure on yourself and sometimes that ship is hard
Speaker 1: to play under, but you know you're able to embrace it,
Speaker 1: internalize it, and understand it and make it work. But
Speaker 1: it's a big difference knowing that I'm gonna get five shots,
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna get fifteen or twenty shots, and I
Speaker 1: know I can start off over five and still have
Speaker 1: a good night. You start off for five, You're in trouble. Yo.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, and it's gonna be serious,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be games where teams are gonna scheme
Speaker 1: to make them ball find you because they know that
Speaker 1: motherfucker's like you ain't like, they know you ain't getting
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty shots in the game. They know you want
Speaker 1: to get four or five shots, so they're gonna make
Speaker 1: sure your ads get twenty and say, make him beat us.
Speaker 1: They want make him beat us, make him beat us.
Speaker 1: You've been, You've been a situation like that. The whole
Speaker 1: Indiana series. People at the in the end the series,
Speaker 1: how I how I shot the ball and how I
Speaker 1: played against Indiana motherfucker's they just they said, make has
Speaker 1: them beat us. Like you know what I'm saying, I
Speaker 1: just was prepared for the moment. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Stay my ash ready, stay ready, so you ain't gotta
Speaker 1: get ready. I was in the gym, so two games straight,
Speaker 1: I went eight for nine. I wasn't shoot no goddamn
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I wasn't like I was
Speaker 1: shooting all contested shots. A couple of was contested, but
Speaker 1: for the most part, they said, make him beat us.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a guy that was accustomed to getting nine
Speaker 1: twelve shots a game. I was a guy that was
Speaker 1: accustomed to getting five six shots a game. And in
Speaker 1: that game, they said, make him beat us. And they
Speaker 1: put me in a position they have to make shots.
Speaker 1: And I was able to make shots, and I can
Speaker 1: make shots. But that's not always the case. Man, when
Speaker 1: you got to get four or five shots. Man, you
Speaker 1: could be put in a situation where you took four shots.
Speaker 1: But you gotta make the motherfucking money shot. You gotta
Speaker 1: make the money shot, no matter what, no excuse what.
Speaker 1: You guys get off to a slow start, um in
Speaker 1: that first season, What what turned you guys around? I
Speaker 1: got hurt. That was a tough year for me. Man.
Speaker 1: My mom's passed away. I got arrested on some buds shit.
Speaker 1: I got. It's always some bullshit when you get arrested, right,
Speaker 1: I got it always fitted, you always followed up. But
Speaker 1: I got arrested on some bullshit. But I got arrested
Speaker 1: on some bullshit. Man, my mom's passed away, and then
Speaker 1: I got hurt. You know, I told I told my third,
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth metatarso Um playing against Memphis man Garden,
Speaker 1: you gotta keep you gotta move your feet guarding Zebo.
Speaker 1: Shout out Zebra, another real one. Moving my feet trying
Speaker 1: to get around Zebo because Zebo, see you hes gonna
Speaker 1: jump this high and your asses Grass, it's a bucket.
Speaker 1: You can forget about it. So I'm moving my feet
Speaker 1: trying to get around Zebo. And I told my third,
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth matter tarso Man. So I missed the
Speaker 1: whole season, never never even heard of a list Frank injury.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the hell that was. So I
Speaker 1: spent that whole summer. I'm not that some of that
Speaker 1: whole season just researching my injury. And I was able
Speaker 1: to come back during the playoffs. And you know, that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of people remember that series that I
Speaker 1: had acaut Chicago. UM. The first game back was against Boston,
Speaker 1: but we were to take care of Boston series with
Speaker 1: at me UM. But they needed me in the Chicago series.
Speaker 1: That's when Chicago had Joe Kim, they had Boozer, they
Speaker 1: had Todd Gibson. They was young and they were stronger front.
Speaker 1: They were beating the ship out of us on the buys. Man.
Speaker 1: So I had to come back in that series. And
Speaker 1: you know, thank god, man, I was able to, you know,
Speaker 1: impact winning once again. You just impact winning, man, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: So you guys make your first run in eleven, UM
Speaker 1: lose to Dallas. What did you guys learn about yourself
Speaker 1: during that time? We had work to do, man, we
Speaker 1: had work to do. Um. You know they they mean
Speaker 1: something simple as a and I mean don't take nothing
Speaker 1: away from you know, Dallas at all, but something simple
Speaker 1: as a zone. They really hit us with his own
Speaker 1: They really hit us with his own dog. We could
Speaker 1: not figure out a damn zone. I mean, as great
Speaker 1: of as great as a team we were at that time,
Speaker 1: as great as basketball minds as we had, we had
Speaker 1: no answer for their own And obviously, you know they
Speaker 1: were a great offensive team. You know, Um, they were
Speaker 1: able to sco points when we weren't UM and I
Speaker 1: think that really, you know, bothered bron. I think that
Speaker 1: summer UM, that's when we were able to play Brian
Speaker 1: a lot of different areas and he was able to
Speaker 1: be a playmaker from a lot of different places on
Speaker 1: the basketball court for us. And I think people saw,
Speaker 1: you know, a new um, you know, a new focus
Speaker 1: you know from Brian, you know going into that next season.
Speaker 1: But you know they literally just really put his own
Speaker 1: on that. So we couldn't get a bucket. And once again,
Speaker 1: I love dirt, shout out the dirt. But if you
Speaker 1: look at the numbers the NVP that series with Jason Terry,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it eight one with you. You. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna tell people what they want to hear. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell people were really happening, right the NVP of
Speaker 1: that series with Jason Terry. You go look at the numbers.
Speaker 1: It's not I'm speaking facts here. You look at Jason
Speaker 1: Terry's with every MVP of that series. Man, he told
Speaker 1: I asked up, he killed us. I was with the Lakers.
Speaker 1: They swept us on and ended up playing you guys.
Speaker 1: But I remember one game at ten or eleven threes.
Speaker 1: He was hot that whole playoffs. Cooking told, he told,
Speaker 1: I asked up, but he had to because remember, you
Speaker 1: gotta think that motherfucker got the championship trophy tattoo earlier
Speaker 1: that year, so he definitely had the back ship up.
Speaker 1: He got it before the States even started one, didn't
Speaker 1: he Yeah, yeah, but he but he backed the ship up.
Speaker 1: You gotta respect it. And J. J. Burrell J J.
Speaker 1: Barrell played well off the bench, but the m v
Speaker 1: P of that series with Jason Terry Man, he told,
Speaker 1: we had no answer him. You know, I was able
Speaker 1: to do my thing on dirt. He made shots, He
Speaker 1: had a couple of decent games, but you know, nothing crazy.
Speaker 1: But you know what we couldn't account for was what
Speaker 1: Jason Terry was doing to us. What changes when it
Speaker 1: twelve that made you guys ready to taking that step? Man?
Speaker 1: How happy people was we lost? Damn? I ain't never
Speaker 1: seen no ship like that before. What we did to people.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why everybody and this I love Golden
Speaker 1: Statement for what they're doing, but why everybody loved them
Speaker 1: but they hated us? I think real quick because I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask you too, and I forgot. I think
Speaker 1: that it pissed everyone off when in the introductions with
Speaker 1: the teams came together and they were talking about how
Speaker 1: many championships And I was gonna ask you that because,
Speaker 1: like I said, you guys are always you know, d
Speaker 1: Wade was loved, You was love Miami was a fun team.
Speaker 1: You guys became villains, you know when when the Big
Speaker 1: Three was formed? And how was that? I want to
Speaker 1: ask why? I wanted to ask how was that for
Speaker 1: you guys? Because none of you guys have really ever
Speaker 1: been bad guys, but you guys were painted and as crazy.
Speaker 1: You said that everyone was excited. You guys lost. Man,
Speaker 1: I tell people this all the time, man Like, it's
Speaker 1: all about how you deal with it. Man, if you're real,
Speaker 1: when you can handle it, if you solve, you can't.
Speaker 1: There's a Lebron James effect when he comes to your team,
Speaker 1: there is. And if you if you solve mentally, you
Speaker 1: can't handle it. You know what I'm saying. People ain't
Speaker 1: gonna like your teams. People probably gonna want you to lose.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be expectations to win. You're gonna be expected
Speaker 1: to take and make big shots. You're gonna fail. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some sleepless night. Sometimes that's all part
Speaker 1: of striving to be a great That's all part of
Speaker 1: when it's when you're trying to get a championship, that's
Speaker 1: part of when you're playing with the greatest player in
Speaker 1: the game right now. You know what I'm saying. When
Speaker 1: you're playing with the greatest player in the game, there's affectations,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And everybody can't deal with that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So you know I mean
Speaker 1: for us, we I just had We had to figure
Speaker 1: it out. Man, Like I said, it will sleep as nice.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, figuring out how cannot impact
Speaker 1: this team. How can I be a part of this
Speaker 1: winning process. You know what I'm saying. You gotta be
Speaker 1: You gotta be a supporting cast for the dude. They're
Speaker 1: gonna do their job every night. They're gonna do their
Speaker 1: job every night, and now you gotta do your job, man.
Speaker 1: So you know that that was just the hardest part.
Speaker 1: But the little twelve man Eddie house. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Mike Miller, You know what I'm saying, James Jones,
Speaker 1: you know myself. I mean, the list goes on and on,
Speaker 1: and those guys shot Sean Lewis. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: shout out the shot another real one. We kept each
Speaker 1: other same man. We pushed each other every day. We
Speaker 1: played pickup man, and we understood that value on that team.
Speaker 1: And shout out to the Big three. D way braun
Speaker 1: cbeat them. Dues also understood that value. And that's another
Speaker 1: thing man for the superstars out here today. Man, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Just showing value and love to
Speaker 1: your teammates that do the early work. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, The guys setting the screens for ya, the
Speaker 1: ones that get the rebound, the one that's gonna take
Speaker 1: that take for you, the one that's gonna take that
Speaker 1: take for you, because you know you ain't like that,
Speaker 1: that right, show him showing him love. Hey, I got
Speaker 1: a lot of those motherfucking texts. Goddamnito, motherfucker's wasn't like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got your back because you ain't like that. No
Speaker 1: doubt on you guys. Final run in two thousand and
Speaker 1: twelve to get in your first championship, What was the
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference Finals battles like because Boston Miami. You know,
Speaker 1: Boston had success against Braun and Cleveland, and you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people say that's why he went and
Speaker 1: did what he did. What were those games like in
Speaker 1: that Eastern Conference Finals? Obviously bronze game six stands out
Speaker 1: when he had forty five and then the closed out game,
Speaker 1: But what was that intensity like between the Celtics and
Speaker 1: you guys that still last to day, It's still it's
Speaker 1: still in the dog it is, man. And then I
Speaker 1: tell you the only reason they got squashed with the
Speaker 1: way they rode because they played together in Chicago. See,
Speaker 1: they had to call you this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But if you look at like a lot of the
Speaker 1: comments that Paul Pierce makes, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: from you know the position he's in now, I don't
Speaker 1: know him say too much good ship about Brown. Ain't
Speaker 1: gonna say too much good about Brown. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. When I look at the position here and
Speaker 1: I hear him talking about the way and he said
Speaker 1: some crazy ship trying to hear compare careers, I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: come on, man, what is you doing? Man? Like? Why
Speaker 1: are you you tripping? You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: got great respect for what KG has done as a
Speaker 1: basketball player. How he'd be talking out there. I don't
Speaker 1: play like that, nobody, do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't play like that. So and so, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We might be sixty years old in the grocery store
Speaker 1: and might have to get it on at something like
Speaker 1: you talking by like you feel me like, I don't
Speaker 1: play like that, man, you feel me so like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that should ever gonna be over. I
Speaker 1: got respectful him, But that ship is still out there.
Speaker 1: Look how they can't When Ray came for us, they
Speaker 1: came for Ray. That out out of that man. We
Speaker 1: beat you with Ray and then took it from me
Speaker 1: and beat you again. You know what I'm saying. Let
Speaker 1: that ship go. We got kids now, we for it.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I got more time behind me. They're
Speaker 1: not do in front of me. And that ship still
Speaker 1: out there still in the head like I said, I
Speaker 1: ain't looking for that beef is still real. Still it's there. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, come on, man, come on, I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, Paul man, that ship you were saying about Brian.
Speaker 1: That ship don't even make no sense. Man. You gotta
Speaker 1: get credit with credit, dude, Man, you gotta get credit
Speaker 1: with credit is due, Yes, exactly. But they pushed us
Speaker 1: like no other and I'm gonna get them credit to
Speaker 1: that man. They pushed us like no other. Man were
Speaker 1: we were scared of Boston. Not scared like shaking it out, boots,
Speaker 1: but we were. We were threatened. Boston was a threat.
Speaker 1: Boston was a threat they were. I don't give a
Speaker 1: damn what you did defensively, come out of time out,
Speaker 1: Dart Rubles, gonna get somebody a shot. Yeah, Boston was
Speaker 1: a threat. Brow twelve NBA Finals, he visits thunder. Take
Speaker 1: us back to that matchup in the young Katie Russ
Speaker 1: and James harden Man. That might have been the first
Speaker 1: time we ever lost the game and being confident, and
Speaker 1: that was nothing against them, but we just understood that
Speaker 1: if we played a more mentally aware basketball game, um,
Speaker 1: that we could we could win that series. We lost
Speaker 1: Game one and okay see, and we walked in the
Speaker 1: locker room and said ourselves that we're gonna be all right. Um.
Speaker 1: And they were young, you know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: had a lot of growing to do. I think the
Speaker 1: advantage that we had was just the mental part, and
Speaker 1: I think we we we we used that. We used
Speaker 1: it as much as we could, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We trapped James Harden on every pick and roll, you know,
Speaker 1: on the side, and he read a lot of flats
Speaker 1: for him to come off the sideline in his left hand.
Speaker 1: As mobile as I was at that time, it was
Speaker 1: so easy for me just to trap his ass on
Speaker 1: that sideline, you know what I'm saying. So we were
Speaker 1: able to get the ball out of his hands. We
Speaker 1: understood that Russell was gonna do what he could do.
Speaker 1: We understood that Katie was gonna do what he was
Speaker 1: gonna do. I main focus in that series was to
Speaker 1: stop James Harden, and I think you know that's that's
Speaker 1: why we were able to be successful. We was able
Speaker 1: to take him out of that series by no fart
Speaker 1: of his own. We just trapped his ass every time.
Speaker 1: That's what we should like. Yeah, he was the focus. Man.
Speaker 1: You gotta get credit to what credit due to our
Speaker 1: coaches that man, we could have focused on trying to
Speaker 1: stop everybody that was that was supposed to be playing y'all.
Speaker 1: That supposed to be us playing y'all. They beat us
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference finals. I saw that. I saw that.
Speaker 1: I remember that. I remember that. They beat you all down.
Speaker 1: They what y'all take them now? We want We won
Speaker 1: the first two and they want fall straight after that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so they called what hey, what we call it? We
Speaker 1: call that a sweet gentleman sweep, a gentleman, sweet nice
Speaker 1: to me, take care of hey. So you d you
Speaker 1: talked about the Lebron James effect, you guys help him
Speaker 1: get his first ring? What was that experience like for
Speaker 1: you guys? I was happy for him. Man. I got
Speaker 1: close to brown Man because so many people have so
Speaker 1: much hate in their Harford Bron And I remember who
Speaker 1: was out in the restaurant one time. Man, we're eating
Speaker 1: as a team and somebody walked by and was like
Speaker 1: Lebron James. And he turned and looked and he was
Speaker 1: like fuck you. And I was like, fuck you right
Speaker 1: right for me. For me, that made me one and
Speaker 1: that that this mother game no, Brian Brownie said, none
Speaker 1: of this man ain't bothering this man. That made me
Speaker 1: want to be close to to Bron. That that made
Speaker 1: me say, man, I see what this man go through
Speaker 1: every day and have it, and I'm a damn show
Speaker 1: have his back no matter what, through hell the hot wood.
Speaker 1: He could call on me, because that's the bullshit he
Speaker 1: gotta deal with every day. Nobody don't deserve that. You
Speaker 1: don't even know this man. You better than me, broncs
Speaker 1: out of sight up shade his ass straight right up,
Speaker 1: straight up. That's funny. I had a similar situation with Cole,
Speaker 1: and Cole was the only player that used to He
Speaker 1: was the only person that paid my funds when I
Speaker 1: got into some ship for him. The only person got
Speaker 1: rested soul to my dog. But I didn't took up
Speaker 1: for a lot of motherfucker's. The only player to pay
Speaker 1: my fine when they came to him was called that
Speaker 1: ship was that ship meant a lot to me. And
Speaker 1: they don't understand that goes a long way man, and
Speaker 1: the way in the same thing we do way. Man.
Speaker 1: He when I when I had my situation with Handsborough, man,
Speaker 1: he was the first one that the you know, handle
Speaker 1: that situation. And now I didn't take it, but you know,
Speaker 1: he offered and I was like, na, you know, we're good,
Speaker 1: my boy. You know they't come back around. That's so
Speaker 1: the following summer, Ray Alan comes and joined you guys, Um,
Speaker 1: how did that whole situation happen? Oh? Man, all I
Speaker 1: remember just picking up the paper reading that Ray was
Speaker 1: coming to Miami. Man, I was shocked, you know, after
Speaker 1: just playing against him in Boston and the relationship that
Speaker 1: he had with those people in Boston. I was shocked.
Speaker 1: But then our hood having asked, right, but then but
Speaker 1: then hey, but then I read but once again, once
Speaker 1: I once you started to read, you know what they're
Speaker 1: saying in the papers, and you know what they're saying
Speaker 1: about the situation, then it just makes Ray one of
Speaker 1: your brothers even faster, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: now he wants us and they're coming from him. Whether
Speaker 1: I know what's going on or not, he with us
Speaker 1: not you feel like, well, I know what happened. And hey,
Speaker 1: even though you ain't laying the ship, you over here
Speaker 1: with us now, so we gotta protect your ass. Yeah,
Speaker 1: your ship is my ship. Now you get explaining to me.
Speaker 1: Maybe your ship is my ship now. Maybe you can
Speaker 1: explain to me what happened later, but right now, we
Speaker 1: gotta deal with this. And then when Ray came that
Speaker 1: before I even spoke to Y even knew anything about Ray.
Speaker 1: I just was reading the articles, and you know, everybody
Speaker 1: was upset and frustrated with Ray and now and that
Speaker 1: made me he want us. I ain't even met Ray yet.
Speaker 1: Ray with me, Ray with me, I don't that's that
Speaker 1: mentality you need it. So we've been you know, throughout
Speaker 1: this this process, you got a chance to play with
Speaker 1: a lot of great players, win championships, very selfless team. First,
Speaker 1: November twenty one, two thousand twelve, you become the Heats
Speaker 1: all time leading rebounder. How much did that mean to you?
Speaker 1: That gotta go to funk that that gotta mean a lot, bro,
Speaker 1: You know all the Hall of Fame centers and play
Speaker 1: for this goddamn team and you're a little shot asked
Speaker 1: it's the all time to leave rebounding my nigger. Definitely
Speaker 1: definitely a show that the rest of the motherfucker's that definitely, man,
Speaker 1: You know what, you know what I've learned to start doing,
Speaker 1: man as I got older in my career. Take time
Speaker 1: to appreciate this ship, though, Take time to appreciate this ship, dog,
Speaker 1: because man, I kept my head down working so much. Man,
Speaker 1: and I never really took time to appreciate myself man,
Speaker 1: or appreciate the things that I've had time to accomplish.
Speaker 1: And you always say to yourself, one day it's gonna
Speaker 1: be over, and I'm gonna sit back and look at
Speaker 1: it and appreciate it. But you don't know when this
Speaker 1: they're gonna be over forever, forever. You might not get
Speaker 1: up in them talk. You might have a situation you
Speaker 1: might not get out of. So you can't keep pushing
Speaker 1: back those opportunities to celebrate yourself. Man. You can't keep
Speaker 1: pushing back to my opportunities to be in tune with
Speaker 1: your star player, bro, because you don't know how much
Speaker 1: time you got out here. Man. So at that time
Speaker 1: I regret it, but I didn't celebrate it like I
Speaker 1: should have. But now the person I am now and
Speaker 1: where I am in my life today, yeah, I appreciate
Speaker 1: the hell out of I appreciate the hell out of
Speaker 1: it because I wasn't out there. It wasn't supposed to happen.
Speaker 1: We talked about Alonzo Morning, who was a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I broke his records and
Speaker 1: then I get a chance. They have these young dudes
Speaker 1: telling me, Man, they're gonna come from my record, man,
Speaker 1: and that's motivation for them. So now I'm just motivating
Speaker 1: the next generation. All Bam talking about is breaking my record.
Speaker 1: I tell Bama if I get it, I tell Bama,
Speaker 1: if I get in the game and grab one rebound,
Speaker 1: that's another record you gotta chase. Mother, just all another record,
Speaker 1: well that you gotta chase it. You kept talking, sir,
Speaker 1: hey real quick since you brought up Bam and then
Speaker 1: we'll get back to this. How tall is Bam Man?
Speaker 1: About a good six nine six teen? Is that big? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He looks he looks small around this year. I wonder
Speaker 1: how big he was. Yeah, yeah, he won't be. He's
Speaker 1: no taller than six nine. I'm gonna give him sixteen.
Speaker 1: He's about six d six jumping board too. Alright, back,
Speaker 1: so two thousand thirteen, you guys are going from back
Speaker 1: to backs. You guys have a twenty seven game winning streak.
Speaker 1: What kind of group for y'all in y'all was on
Speaker 1: another plan of but inside your guys locker room, in
Speaker 1: your world? What what was y'all on at that time? Man?
Speaker 1: We was? We was? Everybody knew they roll you didn't
Speaker 1: have to think about what you remember. I tell you
Speaker 1: that first year, but you don't know how many shots
Speaker 1: with you was gonna get when it was gonna come.
Speaker 1: We was. Everybody was in tune with they roll. I
Speaker 1: was playing the first and the third. I was starting
Speaker 1: off the game. I played at the first six minutes
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then I come back in.
Speaker 1: I played like first six seven minutes. I come back
Speaker 1: in at the end of the second, I started third. Like,
Speaker 1: everybody was settling into their role. It wasn't no jerking.
Speaker 1: You were in and out of the rotation and all that.
Speaker 1: So everybody was settling into their role. Man. We were
Speaker 1: just we were just in his zone. I think the
Speaker 1: one thing about that twenty seven game win streak is
Speaker 1: that everything became about the guy Street. Everything became about
Speaker 1: the street, man. I mean, the smallest games became about
Speaker 1: the street. The biggest games became about the street. We're
Speaker 1: going to lunch, it's about the street, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Everything came about the street. Everything became about
Speaker 1: the street, bro. And I think it just it warned
Speaker 1: us mentally and shout out to Chicago for break and
Speaker 1: that ship. You know what, I'm saying, they beat the
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and that that had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with us, you know what I'm saying, being
Speaker 1: mentally fatigued about the street. Yeah, warned us, but you
Speaker 1: still step out on the floor and the game played
Speaker 1: in between the lines, and we went into Chicago and
Speaker 1: they beat their ass. We tried to turn it on
Speaker 1: that the end, but we couldn't do it. I remember
Speaker 1: hearing and reading you know, since you said, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone will kind of struggle the first year, not stepping
Speaker 1: on each other's toes. That the way kind of handed
Speaker 1: the keys to Braun, and I think that free everyone
Speaker 1: else's minds up. Speak to that. Yeah, he did that,
Speaker 1: he told him. I remember that, Hey man, listen, this
Speaker 1: is your team. I remember that. I'm not sure, um
Speaker 1: at what point of the season, but I remember in
Speaker 1: the locker room the way standing over to Brown, he said,
Speaker 1: it's your team, and I figured out, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I think that was a huge, huge
Speaker 1: confidence boosts for Braun, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: once again we got three great players. Three great players. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people don't really get
Speaker 1: Chris Bosh credit he deserved from that team for what
Speaker 1: for what he was able to do. Talking about the
Speaker 1: cold motherfucker m he was cold. She he was cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. You talk about patient, you talk
Speaker 1: about you know what I'm saying, That's the first time
Speaker 1: I ever seeing somebody with jab your ass untill they
Speaker 1: get the shot they want. He will jab your ass
Speaker 1: till he get the shot. He won't. And if you
Speaker 1: fall asleep, hand down, man down that CB all day
Speaker 1: because that job is money. And then when you talk
Speaker 1: about when you started flaring back to the three, people
Speaker 1: don't know there was games but Braun and the way
Speaker 1: they ain't playing, Step could go for thirty or five
Speaker 1: and we will still win. He was that guy, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I mean to play with
Speaker 1: those that that calible of talent, and to compete against
Speaker 1: those guys every day, you can't help but raise your standards. Man,
Speaker 1: that's dope. So the thirteen, you guys hit the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference Finals and I have a tough seven game series
Speaker 1: against the young Paul George Lands blowing in bronze ear
Speaker 1: d way Roy Hibbert. Take us back to that series
Speaker 1: because I think if I'm not mistaken. Wasn't that the
Speaker 1: series that PG dunked on Bert Man? Yeah, they bang them, man,
Speaker 1: I'm bikes bird my guy. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: that he speak shout out birth for real. But that's
Speaker 1: one of the coolest white boys I've ever been my
Speaker 1: whole time in life. But I got a chance to
Speaker 1: play with him in Memphis. That dude is so fucking
Speaker 1: cool Man, great guy, great my dog, my dog Man,
Speaker 1: bird Man. Them dudes was tough. Man. It was tough
Speaker 1: man in that year. People don't know that they got
Speaker 1: I think home court advantage the first year we had it.
Speaker 1: The next year they had it. So we had to
Speaker 1: go in today place. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a tough place to play at that time.
Speaker 1: It was a tough place to play at that time.
Speaker 1: And they were ready for us the second time. But
Speaker 1: what they weren't ready for was the same dumbass game
Speaker 1: playing leave has them open. I don't understand why you
Speaker 1: thought that ship was gonna work. If it ain't work
Speaker 1: the year before, why you thought that ship was gonna
Speaker 1: work next year? Like, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: and you see what happened. You see what happened. And
Speaker 1: I don't even and I didn't even play that much
Speaker 1: that series, man, I didn't. Man. My thing was to
Speaker 1: come in and rebound and play defense. Um, Shane, I think,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, that's when they figured out that
Speaker 1: Shane was a little bit undersized and David West going
Speaker 1: to work down now, so I was actually called in
Speaker 1: to play at that time. We went into that series
Speaker 1: playing small ball. We went into that series playing with
Speaker 1: Shane at the four. Once again, you never know when
Speaker 1: your numbers called, man, stay ready, so you got so
Speaker 1: you all gotta get ready. We went into that series
Speaker 1: playing small ball, and Shane started at the four. And
Speaker 1: to combat that, Indiana went to the post on Shane
Speaker 1: with David West. We know David West big down there,
Speaker 1: got work, yeah, and he got work down there, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I moved to come back.
Speaker 1: That was to bring me in off the bench. And
Speaker 1: now Shane goes on from playing and playing every game
Speaker 1: and starting to not playing at all, and now I'm
Speaker 1: playing every game and starting and playing the mins. And
Speaker 1: to these young fellers out here being professional, you never know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be called in playoffs or whatever the situation.
Speaker 1: Maybe I ain't even played the series before at all.
Speaker 1: He was playing small ball the very next series. They
Speaker 1: come back that and bring Shane down to the post
Speaker 1: and go to go to work. Now I gotta come
Speaker 1: in and I gotta be ready. No, nobody want to
Speaker 1: hear he didn't play the last series. You nobody don't
Speaker 1: want to hear he ain't in rhythm. They up and
Speaker 1: played the same scheme or offense, and that like they
Speaker 1: asked up again. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I didn't know. I wasn't even play that series. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's that, that's that. It's crazy you said that,
Speaker 1: because that's what I tried to teach, you know, coaching
Speaker 1: my kids that are twelve years old. You know, I
Speaker 1: could teach you everything, but if I if you learn anything,
Speaker 1: I want you to know how mental this motherfucking game is.
Speaker 1: Man so mental to not being able to not playing
Speaker 1: in the series. You know, all you can as players,
Speaker 1: we can't wait to get the playoffs, so to not play,
Speaker 1: to stay mentally sharp and still put your work and
Speaker 1: still stay prepared, and men, like you said, go from
Speaker 1: not playing to get a majority of the minutes next
Speaker 1: round and still be effective at your job. Man, that
Speaker 1: ship is mental. And then shout out to Shane too,
Speaker 1: because I know he took it like a chance. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a team player, so he did what he had
Speaker 1: to do to stay ready. But that ship is as
Speaker 1: a mental grind boy next year because he came back
Speaker 1: the next series and and and gets San Antonio shot
Speaker 1: shot shot well, you know I'm saying, shot, Well, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He shot really well, and you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So he came back when his
Speaker 1: time was called, his number was called, he came back
Speaker 1: and he did his job. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Me and Shane had we had a great one. We
Speaker 1: had a special handshake and uh we say strengthening. We
Speaker 1: shid stay strengthening on it to each other, strengthening on him. Man,
Speaker 1: every night. That what's up. That's what services. It's for
Speaker 1: the greater good. So we get to two thousand and thirteen,
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals against the San Antonio Spurs epic series.
Speaker 1: Looking back on that, now, what stood out the most
Speaker 1: to you? Oh man, pop man, pop pops amazing. Ain't
Speaker 1: even that's not a take, That's not taken nothing away
Speaker 1: from the town. But damn, man, Pop is amazing. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, I know, you know,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't know if in this league how
Speaker 1: to work how I work. You supposed to give shout
Speaker 1: out to other coaches if you ain't playing from I
Speaker 1: don't know how that ship work. But were on all
Speaker 1: the smokes, So we make y'all boys make the rules.
Speaker 1: Y'all boys make the rules. I ain't on TNT and
Speaker 1: none now all good pop Pop Pops amazing man, and
Speaker 1: I've always had great admiration for the way he's been
Speaker 1: able to not just coach the game in basketball, but
Speaker 1: manage just players in the personality. Man, dude, the dudes
Speaker 1: love him, you know what I'm saying. And I've always
Speaker 1: been amazed by the way Pop Pop has been able
Speaker 1: to manage all of that translate that ship also into winning,
Speaker 1: because none of that ship matters. If you don't win,
Speaker 1: you don't matter if your team like you, it don't matter,
Speaker 1: none of that ship if you ain't winning, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I've always been amazed with what
Speaker 1: Pop been able to do. So you know, just the
Speaker 1: first thing that stands out in that series is just
Speaker 1: a ball movement, man, and just how Pop out the
Speaker 1: motherfucker's prime. You know what I'm saying. They're ready and
Speaker 1: it's just like a well or machine out there. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Ain't no hiccups, ain't no speed bumps,
Speaker 1: that ship running. Everybody buying end. Yeah, yeah, everybody buying in.
Speaker 1: But Jack, you were supposed to or should have been
Speaker 1: playing in that final, so not mistaken, right T tell us,
Speaker 1: uh tell us your Tea Max story during that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would probably got that rebound all to block the
Speaker 1: ship out of that week as three race shot. But
Speaker 1: h but he but I was. I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be on the team, and Pop cut me right for
Speaker 1: the playoffs. Man, he cut me right for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: He put me in the position Pop want. The smartest
Speaker 1: people I ever know, He put them in the position
Speaker 1: to where he knew I was gonna respond to where
Speaker 1: I was gonna seek off the team. Yeah, he knew that.
Speaker 1: He knew I was gonna cut myself. You asked me
Speaker 1: to say somebody better than me, fuck you and everybody
Speaker 1: around you. That's gonna be my response to anybody. Okay,
Speaker 1: I like that to nobody, and Pop knew but they
Speaker 1: but but but before he even asked me that question,
Speaker 1: they had Tracy Grady already on the on the plane,
Speaker 1: already in town, so they knew what they were doing.
Speaker 1: And that's why the ass lost to y'all because the
Speaker 1: real higger wasnot to get the rebound. And that's what happened, bro,
Speaker 1: because while was my boy where he needed a real
Speaker 1: one on the side of him. But now all bush
Speaker 1: the side that I was supposed to be on that team. Man,
Speaker 1: it would have been great to be in the finals
Speaker 1: a getting play against youall on that finals. That was
Speaker 1: a good series. That would have been great. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: would have You would have loved that. Man. Would have
Speaker 1: been a hell of an environment and we would have
Speaker 1: been able to hang out while you were down. He
Speaker 1: would have been no COVID boy, and the finals in
Speaker 1: Miami with U D Ship would have definitely been at something.
Speaker 1: We definitely do something. Everybody had been on the South
Speaker 1: Beach would have been on the other side. It was
Speaker 1: that when you was at. It was on the other
Speaker 1: side of the know nothing about that. Y'all had that
Speaker 1: beach ship. We don't want none of that. Your sir, Hey,
Speaker 1: so game six, the Spurs have the title in hand
Speaker 1: and UH can't secure rebound. Ray hits that shot. Take
Speaker 1: us back to that night and how that, you know,
Speaker 1: reduced you guys for game seven once again, I wasn't
Speaker 1: even playing that serious. So I had front row seats
Speaker 1: to the whole goddamn game and that shot from Ray. Man,
Speaker 1: I just remember sitting over there and they're bringing them down,
Speaker 1: them down, rope stop, and I'm saying, I'm saying, you
Speaker 1: know that, I'm saying, I'm like, I'm in disbelief, like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this ship like and I don't city again.
Speaker 1: The marriage got us like that before. Man, Man, man,
Speaker 1: it's like they that came in the house and took
Speaker 1: our food and walked out. This motherfucker. Man, it just
Speaker 1: you couldn't have told me that we weren't gonna win again.
Speaker 1: And when that where see he got that rebound the
Speaker 1: way the angle that I had, I was directly on
Speaker 1: the other side of the shot from Ray And when
Speaker 1: I saw Ray let that motherfucker go, I knew it
Speaker 1: was good room room. Man. People don't know you watched
Speaker 1: Ray he do some drills when he lay down on
Speaker 1: his back like he's taking a nap and jump up
Speaker 1: and runt to the corner and shoot that motherfucker man,
Speaker 1: rayb It said all kind of ship. He'll sit down
Speaker 1: Indian style and run to the three point line and shoot.
Speaker 1: You do all kinds of little drills like that, so
Speaker 1: for you have the backpen and get to that three
Speaker 1: point line and know that line at He practiced that
Speaker 1: every day. That's that's a mental exercise that he go through.
Speaker 1: That's one person I used to always try to lock up. Brother.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you one thing I used to hate
Speaker 1: with Ray When he got the ball, I'm like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good money. As soon as I see a screen
Speaker 1: or two, and I got to chase him off the screen.
Speaker 1: You think you on him, you think you're right there
Speaker 1: on him. But as soon as he gets them feet set, bro,
Speaker 1: that's your ass. Man. Listen. Part of Boston offense against
Speaker 1: us was got them the way chasing Ray Man. They
Speaker 1: know that they way, and they had running all the ground.
Speaker 1: It got there the way, like man. That was part
Speaker 1: of the goddamn offense for Boston. Just run his ass,
Speaker 1: get him tied, yes, sir, So you guys are able
Speaker 1: to come back get that game and winning games seven
Speaker 1: to go back to back? What does it feel like
Speaker 1: to be back to back champs, something that rarely happens.
Speaker 1: I don't think we appreciate it the way we should have,
Speaker 1: you know, the whole gun. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And that's just the gods on the truth. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that the team that we had, the
Speaker 1: run that we had, the success that we had. That's
Speaker 1: not to say that we we we didn't appreciate at all,
Speaker 1: but that amount of success in that short period of time,
Speaker 1: four straight finals, you know what I'm saying, I don't
Speaker 1: think we appreciate it the way we thought the way
Speaker 1: we should have. I think we got to the point
Speaker 1: where we thought we were just gonna do that ship
Speaker 1: every year. You know what I'm saying. It was just
Speaker 1: like it was just expected that we were just gonna
Speaker 1: keep going back to the finals and we're just gonna
Speaker 1: stay together, We're gonna stay healthy, and it ain't gonna
Speaker 1: never break up. And I think I think that was
Speaker 1: that was probably a mistake, and I think we should
Speaker 1: have probably just you know, probably you know, I loved
Speaker 1: it a little more, you know what I'm saying, especially
Speaker 1: when you look at yeah, enjoyed the process. Man, We
Speaker 1: just focused on working, working, working, and next year we're
Speaker 1: gonna do it again, and just then and third, and
Speaker 1: I think we never really took time to enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I think everybody had. You know, you had your one
Speaker 1: little party, you had your parade, and then you think
Speaker 1: you're gonna do it again, and it's just that's not reality,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, It's not reality the thing
Speaker 1: that you're just gonna keep going back to the finals
Speaker 1: and just doing it again. I think we really should
Speaker 1: have took time to understand the position that we was
Speaker 1: in as a team, you know, as a group, you know,
Speaker 1: as a quote coach is that organization everything, and that
Speaker 1: was something special that we was able to do. Man,
Speaker 1: And you know, Go to Stay obviously came in and
Speaker 1: they had their run and they duplicated and they took
Speaker 1: it even further than did they was able to do.
Speaker 1: But anybody that's been a part of runs like that,
Speaker 1: you understand how special that is, especially when you get
Speaker 1: towards the latter part of your career and you start
Speaker 1: to get you know, start to see yourself walking away
Speaker 1: from this man that's a team and the situation in
Speaker 1: a run that will always be remembered and always talked about. Yes, sir, so,
Speaker 1: so you guys is for your run comes to the
Speaker 1: end the next season? Uh, with a rematch first san Antoni,
Speaker 1: they were able to get you guys, Lebron exits. What's
Speaker 1: your first reaction to here? And Nebron was going back
Speaker 1: to Cleveland? Did you know about it? Or you learned
Speaker 1: like everybody else that Jack? Let me tell you what
Speaker 1: you play the san Antonio? What the real when the
Speaker 1: reality of the condition going out like that is that happened?
Speaker 1: He said? Who pay the white? Who cut the court?
Speaker 1: Let me let me tell you this, who cut the court?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm always keep it funking with you? You did? You,
Speaker 1: my guy? Anything that going on in the arena san
Speaker 1: Antonio spurs practice, sittling pop got something to do with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. Was cramping all up in that ship, right,
Speaker 1: wasn't that that? Man? That's how the fish greasing there? Man,
Speaker 1: that's with how the fish greasing there? Man, listen, they
Speaker 1: had fans in their locker room. We had no fans
Speaker 1: in our locker room. Man, held up, don't get me
Speaker 1: it's already in Texas that admitted they already ship. Man. Listen,
Speaker 1: I ain't saying it happened on purpose. I don't know
Speaker 1: what the hell, but they try to bubbeque. I ask
Speaker 1: something that Man, we're sitting in the locker rooms. Were
Speaker 1: sitting the locker room part water on each other. Many man, come, okay,
Speaker 1: we need you step out of snap out. It's hot
Speaker 1: up in this mother. I'm I'm sharing my water with him.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, man, come on, crazy as hell. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, you guys fall short. Pop has something to
Speaker 1: do with it on and off the court. But what
Speaker 1: was it like? You know, like I said before your run,
Speaker 1: you guys kind of not took it for granted, but
Speaker 1: didn't really cherish those moments. Man, how did you How
Speaker 1: did you find out Brian left? And wasn't a surprise
Speaker 1: to you? No, I wasn't surprised. I think I had
Speaker 1: a feeling he was leaving, you know the way it then?
Speaker 1: I think you know we had. The thing we didn't
Speaker 1: do is we didn't take time, like I said, to
Speaker 1: appreciate it, to to do the fun ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. All we did was work, work, work, practice, practice, practice.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, try to get to a championship,
Speaker 1: trying to get to a championship the shortest summers in
Speaker 1: the longest seasons for four straight years, and all we
Speaker 1: did was hit it, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: I think when you got when we got towards the
Speaker 1: end of it, you know what I'm saying, mentally, physically,
Speaker 1: you know, emotionally, I think it was always Austin. You know,
Speaker 1: we didn't know how to handle that. You know, none
Speaker 1: of us have been the fourth straight finals. We didn't
Speaker 1: know what to expect, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: we just was pushing for greatness every time, and I
Speaker 1: think that warned us mentally, you know, more so than anything.
Speaker 1: And it got to the point where, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it wasn't as enjoyable, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: going to practice as it was every day because at
Speaker 1: first were playing and joking and having a good time,
Speaker 1: and then, like I said I spoke about it earlier,
Speaker 1: you started getting to that zombie mode, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, where it starts to just become a routine
Speaker 1: that you following every day. You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that before you know it. You know, I'm saying, you're
Speaker 1: not even enjoying this ship the way you should. M hm.
Speaker 1: Right up. How hard was it watching d Wade leave Miami.
Speaker 1: I was happy for him to do what he what
Speaker 1: he felt that he needed to do, and I was
Speaker 1: happy for him to have the opportunity to go back
Speaker 1: to Chicago and put on for the city because I've
Speaker 1: been there and I know how special that is if
Speaker 1: he could bring a championship to the city. Sad to
Speaker 1: see my brother go, you know what I'm saying, Sad
Speaker 1: to see my brother go. We came in here together
Speaker 1: and we thought he was always gonna walk this ship
Speaker 1: to the end. You know what I'm saying, from the
Speaker 1: beginning to the end. You know what I'm saying, We're
Speaker 1: gonna do it together. And that wasn't the reality, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But as my dog, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ride with him. I'm support him. So when he was
Speaker 1: in Chicago, people know, I don't even watch basketball, man,
Speaker 1: because I started critiquing the ship. If I sit down
Speaker 1: to watch your basketball game, I can't watch it for
Speaker 1: fun because my mind I started saying this that third
Speaker 1: do that set the screen while he took that shot.
Speaker 1: This now I'm starting to not nine even to join
Speaker 1: the game now nine now my wheels is turning their ship,
Speaker 1: so I can't even watch basketball. When we left him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when d we left Miami, I started watching basketball again.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that was because of him,
Speaker 1: you do. I want to back up real quick before
Speaker 1: we you know, you just spoke on d way leaving
Speaker 1: and what that meant to you and how it brought
Speaker 1: you back to watching the game to check on him.
Speaker 1: But what was it like with Chris Bosh and once
Speaker 1: his health, um, you know started kicking in, you know,
Speaker 1: Braun leaves CB, you know obviously gets the next, you know,
Speaker 1: a bigger role. But he's definitely looking forward to handle.
Speaker 1: We had him on the show last year. I was
Speaker 1: definitely looking for that playoff matchup, hoping that the keep
Speaker 1: the Heat got a chance to play the Calves. And
Speaker 1: then he starts having these health problems. What was it
Speaker 1: like being right there and seeing that first hand? And
Speaker 1: that ship was scary, bro, Because I was in the
Speaker 1: locker room, you know, for the game before we played
Speaker 1: the caval Liz and CB passed out you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like before the game, like his locker was
Speaker 1: next to mine and he stood up and then he
Speaker 1: just kind of failed. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: just kind of went down a little bit. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Um, people don't know like I dealt
Speaker 1: with blood cluts, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: know what that ship like. You know, I had a surgery, um,
Speaker 1: you know, on my foot, and I end up having
Speaker 1: blood cluss and I'm in the bed with pain like damn,
Speaker 1: I can't breathe, like something literally like stabbing me. And
Speaker 1: you know how he is, Oh, we'll be already. I
Speaker 1: go to the hospital tomorrow. Got go to the doctor
Speaker 1: to marrow. Thank god for my wife saying no, you're
Speaker 1: gonna take your head to the doctor to night. End
Speaker 1: up going to the hospital. I had blood cluss. Man,
Speaker 1: I would have never made it to the mar So
Speaker 1: I understand. I understand like how serious that ship is.
Speaker 1: So when I heard CB had it, you know, my
Speaker 1: first natural instinct was basketball, make sure you're good. Ship
Speaker 1: them ship to take you out of here. Boy, there
Speaker 1: made nothing to play with. Mm hmm, yes, sure. And
Speaker 1: and I and I hated it for CB because that
Speaker 1: was an opportunity for him. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Once Brown left and you know, everything was going on
Speaker 1: for him to lead us, you know, and he was
Speaker 1: fully capable of it. He was fully capable of it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He had done it plenty
Speaker 1: of times last ship when Brown and the way he
Speaker 1: didn't play, we were fully confident that CB go step
Speaker 1: in and lead us to a win. And he did
Speaker 1: it multiple times. That's tough. So now we're current this
Speaker 1: new heat culture. Um first impression on bam and and
Speaker 1: his entry and what he brought in, how you guys bonded. Man.
Speaker 1: I just had so much respect and love for bam
Speaker 1: Man before I knew what he was at the basketball player,
Speaker 1: because I see how he treated his mama. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I see how he treats his mama. Man.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you come from any
Speaker 1: kind of situation where you know what I'm saying, whether
Speaker 1: he lost your mom or any kind of average circumstances
Speaker 1: or whatever, man, you just understand how a little boy
Speaker 1: just appreciate their mother. You know what I'm saying. Don't
Speaker 1: say we don't love our daddies. I deal with it
Speaker 1: right now. My little boys love me. But they come
Speaker 1: in the room in the morning before school, the hood
Speaker 1: their mom, and they leave. I'll be laying right next
Speaker 1: to her. I'll be laying the same bed, dog, right
Speaker 1: next to the woman. Dog. They don't hug me, they
Speaker 1: don't say bye, They hunt their mama and they leave
Speaker 1: like and that's just what it is. So I understand that. Man.
Speaker 1: So my first thing with Bama, Man, how you how
Speaker 1: you love and cherish in this relationship that he has
Speaker 1: with his mom. Man, just let me know that this
Speaker 1: is a different kind of kid. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He ain't He ain't out here spending his money. He's
Speaker 1: out here while and man, and then just he listened
Speaker 1: and he worked. You know what I'm saying. Nothing ain't nothing.
Speaker 1: I never told Bam ain't nothing. I ain't never challenged
Speaker 1: him to do that. He hasn't applied. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I spend more time with Bam probably than
Speaker 1: I do with any of my homeboys at this stage
Speaker 1: of the game. You know what I'm saying. Everybody doing ship,
Speaker 1: everybody busy. You know, it's a pandemic man. You know,
Speaker 1: literally Bama has been you know all the next closest
Speaker 1: person to me. You know what I'm saying through all
Speaker 1: this stuff that's going on right now, so you know
Speaker 1: just the way he approaches the game. I watched him
Speaker 1: two years ago, not miss a game, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, not miss a game, had all kinds of
Speaker 1: all kinds of injuries, bumps and bruises, played every single game.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I watched his leadership, callit
Speaker 1: qualities continue to grow um and once again he's just
Speaker 1: somebody who I feel like, once my time is up,
Speaker 1: he will be the next Miami Heat guy. When you
Speaker 1: talk about the culture, when you talk about the Zos,
Speaker 1: and you talk about the d Ways, and you talk
Speaker 1: about myself, the next guy in line will be a band,
Speaker 1: will be Bend. I love to hear what was Jimmy
Speaker 1: like once he got to the team. We had the
Speaker 1: Weight on our show and Do and d Way said
Speaker 1: that man was a perfect marriage for Jimmy, perfect perfect.
Speaker 1: I had got a chance to meet Jimmy and go
Speaker 1: out to dinner with Jimmy one time with d Way
Speaker 1: Man and just get nderstand the chance to understand Jimmy. Man.
Speaker 1: The first thing people think about Jimmy is that, oh,
Speaker 1: he listened to country music. He might he must be weird.
Speaker 1: Ain't nothing weird. Ain't not weird about Jimmy. Jimmy, listen
Speaker 1: to it too. I'm too weird. I do too. And
Speaker 1: Jimmy want us more as any more anybody. He want us.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If you get a chance
Speaker 1: to sit down and you get a chance to chop
Speaker 1: it up with jim and you understand Jimmy, you know
Speaker 1: where you come from. Jimmy, just keep everything coach to him.
Speaker 1: He ain't wide open with his hain't or wide open
Speaker 1: with his friendship. He ain't got a lot of friends.
Speaker 1: He ain't running his mouth fire head telling all his business.
Speaker 1: My respect that and I appreciate that, man. And what like.
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, if you put a
Speaker 1: dog outside, he's gonna go around and go on your
Speaker 1: trash can and tell your yard up, and you're gonna
Speaker 1: come out in the morning, your ship gonna be in shambles.
Speaker 1: You put him in the kennle. When you put him
Speaker 1: in the kennle with other dogs, he's gonna make a
Speaker 1: pack and that's what he did. He came down here
Speaker 1: with us and he made a pack. Yep, just how
Speaker 1: it looked to question. There's rumors floating around that Jimmy
Speaker 1: was selected but passed on the All Star Game because
Speaker 1: he felt Bam was more deserving than any truth to that,
Speaker 1: I could believe it. I didn't even know you could
Speaker 1: do that. But if that happened, to believe, I ain't
Speaker 1: never know. They ain't never said, they ain't never selected
Speaker 1: my ass, But I believe it. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that that is the kind of dude he is.
Speaker 1: That is the kind of due he is. And I've
Speaker 1: heard him say that before. But once again, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if that was true. If that was a room
Speaker 1: when he first came and you guys, your team got going.
Speaker 1: You know, you hear people spoke to his work ethic
Speaker 1: and he was going into two or three in the
Speaker 1: morning getting working. What kind of energy? How refreshing for
Speaker 1: you someone who works hard to this day to see
Speaker 1: another star come in new to the team, but have
Speaker 1: that kind of work ethic and and and and passion
Speaker 1: for the game. Man, that it gave me a new life,
Speaker 1: because it gave me it gave me more opportunities and
Speaker 1: more reasons to work. You know, people don't understand like
Speaker 1: me and Jimmy got a routine that we go through,
Speaker 1: you know, before the games. Now you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: something we did in the bubble because of the circumstances,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's something we were able to do
Speaker 1: a couple of times before the bubble, and it's something
Speaker 1: that we're able to engage in now, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So once again, I've been reincarnated and and
Speaker 1: just reinvented myself, you know, with these new guys that's
Speaker 1: coming in and you know, the routine and me and
Speaker 1: Jimmy got it also helps me stay in shaping. It
Speaker 1: also helps me stay sharp, so you know his work ethic.
Speaker 1: And people think that I'm always pushing these guys and
Speaker 1: these guys are leaving me. But you know, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: good to be a soldier and sometimes good to be
Speaker 1: a general, you know what I'm saying. So you know
Speaker 1: I got situations where I'm right, I'm following Jimmy. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that he leaves me and it's
Speaker 1: helping me. Last November and I'm gonna quote pat Riley
Speaker 1: said this on resigning you. His role is so critical
Speaker 1: to our for our team, besides still being able to play,
Speaker 1: UD keeps everyone together in the locker room and on
Speaker 1: the road, teaching and mentoring. I think that's it's the
Speaker 1: role he's really loved, and we're glad to decide that
Speaker 1: he decided to come back. Talk to us about your
Speaker 1: relationship with mafia. Pat Riley, Man, the first two years
Speaker 1: I was in the NBA, I ain't even speak to pet.
Speaker 1: I ain't ever been scared, ugh, I ain't never been
Speaker 1: scared of nobody in my life. But it was an
Speaker 1: intimidation factor with a great pat. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You gotta yeah, you know what I'm saying to slick
Speaker 1: back here. You know, he dressed like money. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I ain't never had too much I
Speaker 1: ain't never had too much money. He dressed like money.
Speaker 1: He said that motherfucker dressed like money. Yeah, he dressed
Speaker 1: like money. Bro, I ain't never had no money. Man
Speaker 1: dressed like little leather shoes on with his slacks and
Speaker 1: his belt. It was really uncomfortable, man. It took me
Speaker 1: a while to get comfortable, you know, around pat Um.
Speaker 1: But once I got comfortable, man, and it just really
Speaker 1: understood you know, who he was and what he was
Speaker 1: and I was I now I was able to understood
Speaker 1: why he was able to get the best out of
Speaker 1: the Lakers and why he was able to get the
Speaker 1: best out of the Knicks and teams like that. One
Speaker 1: thing Pat Doode man is before he even draw a
Speaker 1: playing on the board, he created a relationship with you mentally.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, he running ship at you too. He
Speaker 1: reading ship at you too. Now that they don't play
Speaker 1: that ship. He ran the ship out of us, like
Speaker 1: I told you how many way the first couple of years.
Speaker 1: Was here running like a motherfucker out the first couple
Speaker 1: of years. But but he really, you know I'm saying,
Speaker 1: he gets you to follow. He gets you to follow
Speaker 1: him mentally. You know what I'm saying. With you know
Speaker 1: all the stories that he has, You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: When you listen to him, he's just an abundance of
Speaker 1: years and knowledge and success in this ship. So if
Speaker 1: you want to be successful in this ship, you don't
Speaker 1: listen to somebody like that. He coached magic, he coached worthy,
Speaker 1: He coached you in He coached Kareem like he changed,
Speaker 1: Like you ain't listening. If you don't listen to Pat
Speaker 1: fun is you're doing. But you like, especially if you're young,
Speaker 1: Like if you're older, then you might you might know something.
Speaker 1: But if you're young, you coming this ship and you
Speaker 1: don't listen to pet Rally, you're tripping opportunity. Coach Foster
Speaker 1: consistent longevity equality. What has it been like learning and
Speaker 1: growing with coaches since his early days? Oh? Man, it's
Speaker 1: been amazing. Man. I'll tell U spot this all the time. Man.
Speaker 1: One thing I've already respected about supposed that he's always
Speaker 1: kept real and he hasn't been afraid to evolve. And
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing that we've taken from each other.
Speaker 1: I think we've evolved together. You know, we both had
Speaker 1: evolved to relate and be able to lead you know,
Speaker 1: this next charge and this next generation. And you know,
Speaker 1: it's been great, you know, being a part of this
Speaker 1: process with spoke Man, the knowledge that I would watched
Speaker 1: him obtained over his growth process, not just basketball wise,
Speaker 1: but you know how he's been able to have truth
Speaker 1: and passion because I think the thing that a lot
Speaker 1: of NBA coaches lack and a lot of organizations lack
Speaker 1: it is true and passion for what we go through
Speaker 1: and what we deal with is basketball players as men.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I watched Fobi able
Speaker 1: to Yeah, And I watched Bobi able to be successful
Speaker 1: and have true and passion for the players in the
Speaker 1: locker room and the players that come through here, and
Speaker 1: a lot of people and a lot of organizations organizations
Speaker 1: don't think you can do both. They don't think you
Speaker 1: can have truth and passion and really care about these
Speaker 1: guys and have conversations with you guys and win championships.
Speaker 1: They think it's got to be one of the other.
Speaker 1: And I think that's where a lot of organizations might
Speaker 1: go wrong. I think suppose figured out how to have
Speaker 1: truth and passion and get the best out of guys
Speaker 1: and figured out how to win. It's tough saying a
Speaker 1: lot um in an error where loyalty is rare. Kobe
Speaker 1: twenty years, you're eighteen and counting thoughts on guys like
Speaker 1: Dames Stephen Janice being able to ride their respective careers
Speaker 1: out with their team. What are your thoughts about that?
Speaker 1: I think they should. I think those organizations owe them
Speaker 1: that you know what I'm saying, because at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, those guys could have left multiple times
Speaker 1: because at the end of the day, they ain't got
Speaker 1: their range yet, and they can say, all right, I
Speaker 1: gave you all this, This ain't it. I'm out. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You can look at y'all this situation.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, how it ended last year.
Speaker 1: He could have been perfectly within his right to make
Speaker 1: a move this year, and he didn't. So I think
Speaker 1: those organizations all those guys the opportunity to finish their
Speaker 1: careers there if they choose to. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: those guys, If those guys choose to finish their career,
Speaker 1: and those organizations, whether they win or not, those guys
Speaker 1: have paid their dues and they deserve to finish those
Speaker 1: careers there. You know what I'm saying. I love Dame.
Speaker 1: I love his game, but I think he's been overrated
Speaker 1: for a long period of time. Besides him just being
Speaker 1: solid as hell out here. You feel me, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Uh. So, you know, those guys, if
Speaker 1: they have success, so bid. But if they don't, I
Speaker 1: think those organizations have deserved to treat those guys, you know,
Speaker 1: as if they've had success, because those guys have definitely
Speaker 1: put those organizations on their backs. Absolutely, Um, we got
Speaker 1: a chance to kick it. I came out to Um,
Speaker 1: Florida for the Biden situations. We ran into each other
Speaker 1: and I was just so drawn back on your story
Speaker 1: and your upbringing. You showed me the gas station where
Speaker 1: there is a shootout. But one thing you told me
Speaker 1: is no one would have expected you to come from
Speaker 1: where you came from. And I think we're at a
Speaker 1: community center in your hood where we were registering people
Speaker 1: to vote, encouraging people to vote, taking pictures, doing all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Tell me about the full circle
Speaker 1: evolution of Udonis Haslem out from where you started and
Speaker 1: where you are now a solid vet uh. You know
Speaker 1: the world is your oyster, as they say after you're done,
Speaker 1: But the full circle, you know you touched on the
Speaker 1: low income housing, you're involved with registering people to vote.
Speaker 1: Who is this new for or not new? But who
Speaker 1: is the evolution of Udonis Haslem at four years old? Man?
Speaker 1: Like I told you all and y'all can agree. Man Um,
Speaker 1: if one thing we know is like you know, you
Speaker 1: stay ready for your calling out here. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, look at what y'are doing. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if y'all could envision I don't know if
Speaker 1: y'all could envision this, But look at what you're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, number one do if I'm not mistaken, right
Speaker 1: y'all number one? Right? Yeah? We never? Yeah, bro, yeah,
Speaker 1: we never. I never would have loved Look that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Bro. Look at what y'are doing. Man, that
Speaker 1: ship is amazing. Bro. And why y'all was playing or
Speaker 1: even maybe a couple of years after y'all finished, I
Speaker 1: probably ain't see yourself doing this ship right now. So
Speaker 1: I would have never you know what I'm saying, imagine
Speaker 1: myself being a community leader. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I would have never imagined myself, you know, building low
Speaker 1: income housing, affordable homes in the hood. I would never
Speaker 1: imagine myself putting jobs in the hood. Um, it's just
Speaker 1: so many different things I'm working on right now, man,
Speaker 1: and I would have never saw myself doing it. But
Speaker 1: as a true leader, you know what I'm saying, when
Speaker 1: you see when you see situations that need help, or
Speaker 1: when you see situations that need uh hand or how
Speaker 1: you can help tap in? Yeah, and you and you
Speaker 1: tap in and you do it. So I'm here in
Speaker 1: this city every day. I'm seeing me in this city
Speaker 1: every day walking around these people. Man, I don't have
Speaker 1: no security. I'm moving around these people. Man. These people
Speaker 1: show me love, man. And I see opportunities where these
Speaker 1: people need me. And I see that where there's a
Speaker 1: need in this city. And I have the means to
Speaker 1: feel those boys in those gaps. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: So for me, I have so many friends and family
Speaker 1: man that for whatever reason, they just can't find good
Speaker 1: jobs just before the pandemic. Man, we're talking about people
Speaker 1: that have made mistakes, maybe have a record. It ain't
Speaker 1: easy to go out there and get a job, man.
Speaker 1: So the first thing I'm gonna do is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put you in a position to get a job. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna give you a handout, because that's gonna cripple
Speaker 1: your grass. And at the end of the day, all
Speaker 1: you're gonna do is come back and ask promote. We
Speaker 1: all learned it. We all learned that ship the hardway. Yes,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. We all learned that ship
Speaker 1: the hardway they'll be back. They might say they won't,
Speaker 1: and then they always somebody gonna pay you back. Then
Speaker 1: they're gonna somebody's gonna pay you back, knowing damn well,
Speaker 1: they ain't gonna pay you. Yeah, you money with no job.
Speaker 1: How are you gonna I promise I got you, I
Speaker 1: got your all back. But no you ain't. No, you
Speaker 1: ain't get your ass out of here and take that
Speaker 1: with you. So I'm gonna put you in position to work,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna see if you really want this ship.
Speaker 1: Now I'm figured out how to figure it out. I
Speaker 1: don't figure out a lot of people don't want this ship.
Speaker 1: They want me to just give them ship because I
Speaker 1: didn't give people jobs and the motherfucker worked for a
Speaker 1: week and as you can't find them no more. So
Speaker 1: like now you see who really want to work, and
Speaker 1: who really want self improvement and who want we hand eyes.
Speaker 1: So the first thing for me, man, was to provide
Speaker 1: jobs in my community. Man. I started with the subways
Speaker 1: just because, if people know my story, I was a
Speaker 1: chubby as kid and the only thing I could get
Speaker 1: that was somewhat healthy for a chubby kid with subway,
Speaker 1: I wasn't going nowhere. I didn't have no money to
Speaker 1: go get no expencive as chicken salads and all that.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what that was at. You get
Speaker 1: your ninety nine cent poach Shops sandwich A Shakers, You
Speaker 1: get your ninety nine cent poach Shops sandwich that Shakers,
Speaker 1: and yeah, get your kool aid, and you might spend
Speaker 1: three dollars, But that ship ain't healthy. That's the reason
Speaker 1: why I was probably fat. So I started our subway man,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to get involved in something that
Speaker 1: I really really like, just fun with. So I started
Speaker 1: with subways, and I started buying subways. Man. I have
Speaker 1: about five or six subways and anti ans because a
Speaker 1: lot of them in Walmart, so you know, they got
Speaker 1: an anti ast into the subways. And that was something
Speaker 1: that I was able to do to provide jobs in
Speaker 1: my community. And the next thing was, as we get
Speaker 1: old and this ship, we started drinking a lot of coffee.
Speaker 1: So every day on my way to the gym, my
Speaker 1: asks was stopping by Starbucks. I said to myself, I
Speaker 1: spent so much money. This motherfucker's motherfucker always loaded. Let
Speaker 1: me figure out how to somewhere own or get involved
Speaker 1: as far as franchise and these things. So I was
Speaker 1: able to partner with, you know, someone out of Miami
Speaker 1: that has the credentials to own the Starbucks. But I
Speaker 1: had the financials on the Starbucks. So UM, with that
Speaker 1: were not I'm sorry, let me let me franchise Z.
Speaker 1: You can't own the Starbucks, but you could be a
Speaker 1: franchise Z. So I was able to be a franchise
Speaker 1: z for for a couple of Starbucks. And that was
Speaker 1: another opportunity to provide jobs. But these are all things
Speaker 1: that I eat or I was invested in personally. I
Speaker 1: didn't just go out. I ain't just go out of
Speaker 1: nowhere and say, oh, that ship looked like it to
Speaker 1: make me some money, let me do that. The next
Speaker 1: thing was Erees one Fire Kitchen. Man it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was a West Coast establishment and mend Win always
Speaker 1: wanted to do something together. Um, so we were able
Speaker 1: to put this in this train station down here, if
Speaker 1: anybody knows anything about South Florida's train station that they
Speaker 1: just built. And we're able to start with the train station,
Speaker 1: and we have another location Aventure. And from that point on,
Speaker 1: man it developed into the low income house, and man,
Speaker 1: we all know how gentrification is. They're moving us up
Speaker 1: out the hood, man, at crazy numbers. We know we're no,
Speaker 1: we're no explanation man. And you know some of the
Speaker 1: people they're moving, Some of the people they're moving out
Speaker 1: of these hoods, they're moving them all the way down South, Bro,
Speaker 1: Like you ain't even close to where you was before.
Speaker 1: We're talking about another We're talking about a whole hour
Speaker 1: away from where you was at. You know what I'm saying. Now,
Speaker 1: We've got people who are already dealing with transportation issues
Speaker 1: moving to get to work. Now now you're moving my
Speaker 1: hour away. So you know, the the next step for
Speaker 1: me is electric cars and different processes like that for
Speaker 1: people in our hood to be able to get back
Speaker 1: and forth because we always a last to catch you
Speaker 1: onto some ship. But if anybody paying attention to what's
Speaker 1: going on, man, electric cars and all those things like that,
Speaker 1: those are what the future is. So for me, I
Speaker 1: want to introduce the hood to these things before it
Speaker 1: even you know what I'm saying, because we need the
Speaker 1: last to catch you on the ship. Everything cut to
Speaker 1: us last, Everything cut to us last. But if you
Speaker 1: read about what's going on man, electric cars is where
Speaker 1: it's at. Man. Every thing it's going electric, man. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna introduce our people to that. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: wait for us to get to it last. That's my
Speaker 1: next project in the hood, bring electric cross to the hood, man,
Speaker 1: where we gotta wait for somebody to do it for us.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Man. Hats off to
Speaker 1: you for for not forgetting where you came from, but also,
Speaker 1: like you said, providing opportunity for people to succeed. I
Speaker 1: think it's a beautiful thing, all right, man, quick hitters.
Speaker 1: First thing that comes to mind. Let us know. Jack
Speaker 1: started off, if you have a chance to if you
Speaker 1: had a chance to a live one moment our game
Speaker 1: from your career, which one would it be and why? Ship?
Speaker 1: If I had a chance to live one moment in
Speaker 1: my game my career would be the Michigan State game, Uh,
Speaker 1: I guess um. And in my my college the national
Speaker 1: championship against Michigan State UM two thousand, two thousand. I
Speaker 1: had an amazing game, a great individual game, UM, but
Speaker 1: we didn't win. And that was the only level I
Speaker 1: didn't win it. I won a high school championship, I
Speaker 1: won NBA Championshi, I just have not one college ship.
Speaker 1: I didn't get the college I didn't get the clean
Speaker 1: sweet yeah friends with Rick Ross, you've collaborated. I just
Speaker 1: heard some stuff the other day with you and d
Speaker 1: weight on it, but I hadn't even there was the
Speaker 1: first time I heard. I know you guys did a
Speaker 1: long time ago, but you collab with Ross. You could
Speaker 1: pick one song to having rotation with Ross? Who would
Speaker 1: it be? M hm, we are ready already. That should
Speaker 1: go hard as hell? That's my ship. Yes, sorry, that
Speaker 1: was was that off? Mastermind? I think that was off
Speaker 1: the Mastermind. That was off? That was off Mastermind, Rost
Speaker 1: the big homie, Ross, the big homie Man. Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: he's someone heavy in the franchise and too Yeah. Yeah man,
Speaker 1: That's what I was able to do. I was able
Speaker 1: to watch a lot of these guys, man, and I
Speaker 1: watched the way I watched Ross, I watched Braun. I
Speaker 1: even watch what you're doing. Man, I'm I'm I'm picking
Speaker 1: brains about podcast man to patch you. I don't want
Speaker 1: people put my shot on somebody else network. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about something else. I ain't compete with you. It's
Speaker 1: enough room for all that was bro straight up. But
Speaker 1: I watched, I watched what y'all doing. Yeah, that ship
Speaker 1: motivated man. I'm not I'm always I'm always motivated by
Speaker 1: other brothers. Man, I ain't intimidated. And some people sit
Speaker 1: around and hurt on the motherfucker about what the motherfucker
Speaker 1: doing and should motivated me. Brothers win Man, Yes, sir, yes, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: that ship motivated me. Bro s here we go, you
Speaker 1: plus you plus four going to the park to own
Speaker 1: the court, blacktop, you plus four? Who you bringing with you?
Speaker 1: NBA players, my homeboys, whoever you're going. You're going to town.
Speaker 1: You might have to fight, you might have to shoot,
Speaker 1: you might have to hoop. You never know what I'm bringing.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm bringing. I'm bringing the way with me. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing the way, my first one, the second one,
Speaker 1: my second one. Man. Steve Blake. People don't sa people
Speaker 1: don't know Steve Blake with the High School with me,
Speaker 1: Steve Blake with high from the hood. Yeah, I'm taking Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm bringing Steve Blake with me. That used to be used,
Speaker 1: that used to be my Laker smoking buddies. I don't
Speaker 1: mean to put this business out there, but that's my
Speaker 1: long step. Hey, Steve Blake was cool as a motherfucker man,
Speaker 1: like a real man. Yes, like a real one. Man.
Speaker 1: The Wade the next one I'm going with. We might
Speaker 1: have to fight, but we gotta get a win. Huh.
Speaker 1: I'm going with I'm going with Shot. I can't go
Speaker 1: that way without Shot. I gotta take picture because I've seen. Listen,
Speaker 1: big fella, catch you with one of them, hey, making
Speaker 1: jas out accident on accident. Yeah, listen, listen, if we
Speaker 1: fell at you with one of the motherfucker's, you're going
Speaker 1: to sleep for shore for sure. And my next one, man,
Speaker 1: it's tough. I gotta go with see now, this is
Speaker 1: where I got my issues at, my my goat when
Speaker 1: I grew up on m J. But yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he I don't know if you
Speaker 1: need to go forever because these motherfucker's can go. But
Speaker 1: I'm taking MJ right now. I'm gonna take the MJ
Speaker 1: with me. I'm gonna take an MJ with me. That's
Speaker 1: my go too. But these but but I'm not finished.
Speaker 1: These motherfucker's out here right now. These motherfucker's can go
Speaker 1: on his ass. They on his ass Brian and Brian,
Speaker 1: you know, and somebody else's era. Bron might be to go.
Speaker 1: MJ did go to my era, need to go to
Speaker 1: my era. But the greatest play in league right now,
Speaker 1: obviously it's Bron. But these motherfucker's is coming. Yeah, facts
Speaker 1: who would be on your Miami Heat all time starting five?
Speaker 1: And would be you who would be a six man?
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid to put yourself in that motherfucker. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna after I don't put myself and I'm in that
Speaker 1: motherfucker first. People gotta look at my numbers when listen,
Speaker 1: when the Way and the motherfucker's weren't playing, I might
Speaker 1: have averaged twenty. I was getting my ship off when
Speaker 1: they was out, when CB came, when c When CB
Speaker 1: came and we had another option when d Way and
Speaker 1: Brian was out, that my whole ship up. But we
Speaker 1: bran with the Way Brian and before CBO came, I
Speaker 1: used to get my ship off, man. So I'm definitely
Speaker 1: putting myself in there. I gotta go with the Way again.
Speaker 1: I gotta go with the Way again. Man. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with Mario as my six man man because Mario
Speaker 1: Chalmers man just Mario. People don't understand mario biggest strength
Speaker 1: was the fact that he thought it should have been
Speaker 1: the big folk. He he thought, you can't tell him
Speaker 1: you can you can't tell him ship and that, and
Speaker 1: that made Mario great for us man, because Mario took
Speaker 1: and made Mario took and made big fucking shots for us.
Speaker 1: He always had ever since college, He's always he's always
Speaker 1: stepped up big games. I got a chance to play
Speaker 1: with him in Memphis too. I fuck Rial heavy man,
Speaker 1: I was. I was sad he got hurt. Man. He
Speaker 1: actually had some success out there before he got hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so so who's your five? So you got you
Speaker 1: Rio d Wade, Yeah, Rio coming off my bench, Merio everyway,
Speaker 1: Rio coming out of my bench. Broun Yeah, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I gotta go, ship Man, I gotta gonna ceeb CB
Speaker 1: braun shack you d way scary. Yeah, I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta go with that man. Five dinner guests, dead or alive,
Speaker 1: Ship Pop, Biggie, Them boys got them boys got to
Speaker 1: come with me. I definitely got to see them boys
Speaker 1: pop big oh man, um god damn yeah, my hole boy, Chip,
Speaker 1: my home, my homeboy, My homeboy Chip. God bless it
Speaker 1: did my homeboy Chip. He never he never, he never,
Speaker 1: he never had a chance to see this side. Man.
Speaker 1: He was locked up and when he when he got out. Man,
Speaker 1: I was in the NBA. He came to one game
Speaker 1: and not too much later that he ended up getting killed.
Speaker 1: Um So, my homeboy Chip, if he could come to
Speaker 1: dinner with me, that would be amazing. Big Chi, Yeah,
Speaker 1: big pop Chip. Uh, I gotta throw a great one
Speaker 1: in there. Man. I go back and forth depending on
Speaker 1: what kind of mood I'm man, Malcolm, my depend on
Speaker 1: depending on what mood man boy, I'll be backing one
Speaker 1: day and the next day I be like a motherfucker
Speaker 1: today to day our Malcolm Michael code to take up
Speaker 1: last Today, I gotta take a queen. You know what.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take my mama. Man, come on, we'll take
Speaker 1: my mama. I'm gonna take my mom. That's the peace
Speaker 1: moms man for be a good dinner. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: She might want to cook it s you know that's
Speaker 1: gonna it's uh yeah yeah, all right. Last question, who
Speaker 1: do you want to see on all the smoke? But
Speaker 1: you have to help us with your answer. Ship one
Speaker 1: of your formers. It's one of your former teammates who
Speaker 1: already want and we already had d Weight and we
Speaker 1: already had boss. Yeah, Jackie, see how I laid that
Speaker 1: went out there? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it. Listen, Yeah, damn,
Speaker 1: well look well we look not not not only that
Speaker 1: at it could be somebody on your team now who
Speaker 1: we haven't had mm hmmm now that you know we
Speaker 1: need on the show. Yeah, there's a couple of you
Speaker 1: have a couple of dudes on your team now, a
Speaker 1: couple of dudes you play with with the Big Three,
Speaker 1: or what dude you play with the Big Three? There's
Speaker 1: there's some lists. If I say now, if I say now,
Speaker 1: if I say now, you gotta go, you gotta go
Speaker 1: with you gotta go with Jimmy. We know you gotta go.
Speaker 1: You gotta go with Jimmy. All Jimmy is the only person.
Speaker 1: But no, actually I'm lying. Jimmy and Kyrie. I talked
Speaker 1: to them more than anybody on n NBA, damn the
Speaker 1: every day and they're the only ones. Ain't been He
Speaker 1: ain't he ain't doing and listen, he ain't doing nothing
Speaker 1: but drinking wine, drinking one and trying to charge the
Speaker 1: motherfucker hunting on a couple of coffee. Sure, mothers Hey,
Speaker 1: motherfucker's paying that hunted dollars for that coffee. I'm been
Speaker 1: there working with his ass. Don't gett my shirt on
Speaker 1: the house. He's gonna chease me how to make this ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Jimmy man, Jimmy, you definitely got to get
Speaker 1: Jimmy man. Sir, you'll see the practice tomorrow. I would
Speaker 1: love for you to have Mike mill on your show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love you to have Jackson event Mike. Great girl,
Speaker 1: good shout out. That's my guy, that's my guy. Well
Speaker 1: you do, man, We appreciate your time. Best to luck.
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna be great regardless, but we appreciate you,
Speaker 1: man and uh man, keep doing what you do. Appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you all boys for having that. Man. I love it.
Speaker 1: Love everything y'all doing. Man, Keep pushing them with a
Speaker 1: little homie. Keep leaving away. Bro. We're living through you,
Speaker 1: bro for sure. For show. We're gonna keep doing. And
Speaker 1: I'm living with y'all in that aspect too, man. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna link. We're gonna link. You know what it is?
Speaker 1: All love homie. Appreciate you all man for life. You
Speaker 1: did you know that? That's wrap? Thank you. Donni's has
Speaker 1: them for the time. You can catch all the smoke
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