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Did 8 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: you talk to your parents at all? 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 2: No? 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 3: So you didn't even tell your dad you were going 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 3: to Chechnya. 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 2: No? 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 3: Really, I just. 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just didn't speak with them. We 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: didn't talk for like quite a long time, for the 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 2: whole year. 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 3: Did you tell anyone else or anyone in your family? No, 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 3: out of your sister. 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: I couldn't speak with my sister. I mean I was 20 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: not allowed to speak with my sister. 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 3: You might have died and shash In. Your family just 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: would have found out. 23 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: I mean they would find out at some point. 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: I mean they would find out through like a letter 25 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: or someone shut up their door. But you never even 26 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: would have told them you were going. 27 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: To the war. Well, they said that I wish you 28 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: to be not alive. I was thinking, I mean, it 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: doesn't manter if I will go, even if I will 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: be Dad, they don't really care anyway. I felt like, 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: maybe this is it, this is the end which they'll 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 2: give me the relief to kill you. I'm really sorry 33 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: that Junyuns suit. 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: Suit verses, episode ten, chapter twenty two sent to die. 35 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: So in the morning I arrived at the train station 36 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: and we all lined up. I had my backpack with me, 37 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: and it. 38 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 3: Was one of the worst days of a Leah's life 39 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 3: and possibly one of the last. As punishment for rejecting 40 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 3: her new commander's advances, she had been sent away to 41 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: die on the front lines of a war five hundred 42 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: miles away. 43 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 2: So first we sat down into the train and everybody 44 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: in the car were just young boys. The eyes were 45 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: full of fears, and I looked at them and everybody 46 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: just had only one thought. Vala survive, Vla come back. 47 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 3: The train was bound for the border between Russia and Keshnya, 48 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 3: a mostly Muslim region just north of the country of Georgia. 49 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: It was annexed by Russia in the nineteenth century and 50 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: ever since then has been trying, with varying degrees of success, 51 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: to be on an next and independent again. 52 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: And when we arrived at the main station, we were 53 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: giving this uniform. It was like a thick jacket. The 54 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: color was dark green. Everything was much bigger than my size. 55 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: And to they eve as guns, but like sniper guns 56 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:30,479 Speaker 2: VCC and SVD. I didn't have any idea even how 57 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: to use these guns. 58 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 3: Some nine years earlier, Checha had declared its independence, and 59 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: now Eliyah and her fellow soldiers were there fighting in 60 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 3: a war for Putin, who was determined to retake control 61 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 3: of the territory for Russia. This was the Second Chechen War. 62 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: And then I had this guy and he was standing 63 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 2: next to me, and he was like from Kyrgyzstan. I 64 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 2: think she probably so like that. I was all depressed 65 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: because I was standing there as the zombie. He was 66 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 2: telling me some funny stories and very stupid and I 67 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: looked at him, like, can you like stop, and he said, 68 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: is it like your first time. I'm like, yes, of course, 69 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: it's my first time. He was like, he relaxed, it's 70 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: like my second time. So no worries, nothing happened. See, 71 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: I'm still alive. I'm still here. 72 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 3: The newly arrived soldiers, including Aliyah and the man she 73 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: was talking to, Rashid, were then ordered onto trucks and 74 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 3: sent to the front lines. 75 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 2: He was talking and then he started to smoke, and 76 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 2: everybody was smoking, and I just I thought, like, maybe 77 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: it will help me out. So I tried to smoke 78 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: and then I was coughing and I said, fuck it, 79 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: I'm not doing this, like I couldn't. And then he said, 80 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: good good. It's better not to smoke if you a sniper. 81 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: And it was like why, And then another guy was 82 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 2: sitting next to me. He said, if you smoke in 83 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: the night, your enemy may see you, and if they 84 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: can just truck or like culculate where your hat is, 85 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: they can kill you in your like hat. So it's 86 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: better not to get used to the smoke. And they 87 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: said like, oh yeah, good to know. Thanks. We were 88 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: driving for a couple hours. It became dark and cold, 89 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: and we arrived to the place where far away we 90 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: could see it was not like even town, but like 91 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 2: small kind of feelings with a few houses. 92 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: Leah and her new squad members were then brought to 93 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 3: a makeshift military base on top of a hill. 94 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: They said, okay, so this is your station. Obviously, no shower, 95 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 2: no TV or anything like that, no computer, no telephone, 96 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 2: no internet of course, no nothing. And the smell was 97 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: the smell of death, when you smell man swat together 98 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: with blood, together with the land. I can remember in 99 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 2: my nightmares. I mean, there were only guys that was 100 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: kind of like a little bit concern me. But you 101 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: know what, nobody even thought about sex, because the most 102 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: important instinct is to survive. The first night, I didn't 103 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: sleep at all, and I didn't hear anything. It wasn't 104 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: any you know, bombs or gun shots. And then in 105 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: the morning, around like five am, I felt so cold, 106 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: was freezing, and I couldn't even hear any birds singing 107 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: or anything like that. It was deadly quiet, and I 108 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: looked at the guys, they are sleeping click babies. 109 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: Over the course of her first day on the front lines, 110 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: Alah's friend from the train station, Rashid, became a mentor 111 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 3: of sorts to her. He showed her the safest corner 112 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 3: of the barracks to sleep in and taught her other 113 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 3: best practices for staying alive that he learned on his 114 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 3: previous deployment in Shshnya. 115 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: I was trying to wash my face. He said, don't 116 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: do it, and I was like, dude, are you crazy, 117 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: Like this is hygienical things. I need to wash my face. 118 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: And he said, now, if you're a sniper, because if 119 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: your face is clean, then the color of the clean 120 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: skin reflects the light and then the other sniper can 121 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: see you and can shoot you really really well. 122 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: Rashid totally and more about concealment and shooting a rifle. 123 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 3: And they were signed as buddies and giving nights lookout duty. 124 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 2: We were started to talk a lot, and I kind 125 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: of like get used to his stupid jokes. And while 126 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 2: we were like sitting there, remember he was asking me 127 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: questions like, so where did you study, what was your department? 128 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 2: Who was your commander? And slowly, slowly I just opened 129 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 2: up to him. I said, like, you know what I 130 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: can tell him? Why not? So I told him the 131 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: whole story from the beginning. 132 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 3: When Leah got to the part of the story about 133 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: turning down the advances of her commander, Lieutenant General Rashid 134 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 3: had some strong words about him. 135 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: Oh like that preck. I heard a lot of stories 136 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 2: about him. He sent many soldiers to the front line, 137 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: knowing that they would be killed, he still did it. 138 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: He didn't care about the families, about their lives, so 139 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 2: he just basically sacrificed their lives for nothing. He said, 140 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: he's a very bad commander, and and they said, well 141 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 2: that's why I'm here. I guess it's just bad luck. 142 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 3: After a few days, Aliah began to realize the full 143 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: grim nature of her assignment, shooting at people who she 144 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 3: didn't know and couldn't see who were also shooting at her, 145 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 3: and wondering at the same time, was she even on 146 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: the right side here. 147 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: We were attacking civilians. We were fighting normal families they 148 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: will protect in their country. We were attacking them. And 149 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 2: then I heard a lot of stories about cheaching men, 150 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 2: how cruel they are, how do they torture people, How 151 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: they would cut you apart just for their pleasure, just 152 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 2: to have fun. They would cut off the head of 153 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: the Russian soldiers and they would send it to either 154 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: Russian commanders just to kind of like piece them off 155 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: and scare them. Call these like stories made me nauseous. 156 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: Alia didn't know whether these stories were true or just 157 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 3: dehumanizing propaganda, but it kept her close to the base 158 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 3: and an high alert in case of attack. 159 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: We didn't have enough food, and one day a small 160 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: troop of my colleague soldiers decided to go to the 161 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 2: village to get some food. I mean, not to get 162 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: some food. They would basically almost like robe this village, right, So, 163 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: I mean the Russian soldiers with guns hungry, So of 164 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 2: course the village population would just give wherever devoted, just 165 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: to leave them alone and not to kill their families 166 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: and their kids. 167 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 3: But this time the raid didn't go as planned. 168 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: There was an old guy, old enough to fight, but 169 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 2: he still had a gun in the house, and he 170 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 2: tried to kill my colleagues, but they shot him first. 171 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: So it was it was terrible, you know, it was 172 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 2: terrible because they're like old people in that village who 173 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: were just killed for nothing. 174 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: It's unclear whether one man in the village was killed 175 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: or several people. But this act of senseless brutality shattered 176 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 3: the quiet on the base. 177 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: When the broad of food, it was the feeling that 178 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 2: this food had like blood, you know, like it's just 179 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 2: you couldn't just even eat it. It's almost like poisoned 180 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: by the blood of innocent people. 181 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: The next day, snipers began shooting at the base. Evidently 182 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: the villagers had informed the Chechen militia about what had happened, 183 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 3: and now they were taking revenge, a revenge that in 184 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: some respects Leah could understand. 185 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 2: It really peaceed that mercenaries off. That's why they came 186 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 2: and they started to basically kill us. If he wouldn't 187 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 2: do it, or if they wouldn't go to the village, 188 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: you wouldn't have this problem. 189 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 3: Despite Elia's empathy for what the Chechens were going through, 190 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 3: she was also a Russian soldier target of these mercenaries, 191 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: and she had her orders. 192 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: Well. 193 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: Our commander wanted to terminate them by killing them. 194 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 3: So that night Aliah and Rashid went to their lookout location, 195 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: knowing that this time they might not come back. Chapter 196 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: twenty three, Aliah's prayer. 197 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 4: Flahood. 198 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: Russia has waged a brutal war against Chechen separatists since 199 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties. The violence began when a former soul. 200 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 5: We have fought against the Lastian occupations for centuries. We 201 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 5: even had our own Holocaust. Stallion deported the entire book. 202 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 6: The Minister for a Defense provided a report on Zechhniya. 203 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 6: Let me quote from the text. In Russia's interest, this 204 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 6: region must be rendered devoid of life. 205 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 4: The Chechens were pretty formidable. They were a strange mix 206 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 4: of volunteer, local militias, ex military and foreign fighters. 207 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: This is doctor Mark Gailiadi, who is one of twenty 208 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 3: nine British journalists that the Putin regime banned from Russia 209 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. He's also the author of several 210 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: books on Russia, including Putin's Wars. 211 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 4: The Chechens themselves think of themselves as wolves, but they 212 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 4: regard the wolf as being essentially something to live up to. 213 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 4: But on the one hand, absolutely ferocious in defense of 214 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: the pack, but one that ultimately depends on and protects 215 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 4: the pack. 216 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: Because this region and the Caucasus Mountains and the Chechens 217 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: who lived there are very little understood, I've called doctor 218 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: Gailiadi to help explain the war that a Leo was 219 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: fighting in. 220 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 4: Of all the various parts of the Soviet Union, the 221 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,479 Speaker 4: one that was probably the most unruly, the most reluctant 222 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 4: to be under Moscow's control was Chechnya. It had been 223 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: finally annexed by the Russian Empire back in the mid 224 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 4: nineteenth century, and essentially, whenever the central government looked weak, 225 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 4: the Czechen's rebelled. 226 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 3: Doctor Gailiadi explains that when the Soviet Union dissolved, Chechnya 227 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: took the opportunity to declare independence, and though the Russian 228 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 3: army tried to stop them, they didn't succeed. This was 229 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 3: the first Chechen War. 230 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 4: And in effect, the Chechens fought the Russians to a 231 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: draw at that time. 232 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: Then Putin came to power and decided to finish Russian 233 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 3: business in Chechnya, but first he needed a reason to 234 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: go back to war. 235 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 5: A few weeks later, there were several terrorist bombs in Russia. 236 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 5: Over three hundred were killed. It wasn't clear who had 237 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: done it, but most Russians were ready to blame the Chechens. 238 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 5: But some now say that these events were orchestrated by 239 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 5: the spies inside Putin's power base, the FSB successor to 240 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 5: the KGB. 241 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you without any doubts that the 242 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: second war was initiated by FSB as a provocation they 243 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 3: provo Jitchu. This became the second Chechen War, the one 244 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: that a Leah was now caught up in. Here's doctor 245 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 3: Gailliardi again, who also hosts the podcast in Moscow Shadows. 246 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 4: So essentially, yes, this is very much Putin's war, and 247 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 4: also this was his opportunity to essentially demonstrate to Russians 248 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 4: across the country that things were going to be different now. 249 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 4: It gave him a chance to pose with tough guy, 250 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 4: macho rhetoric, but also make the point that Russia was back. 251 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: Even by the low standards of war. The Second Chechen 252 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: War was a brutal and horror filled conflict on all sides, 253 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 3: which included torture, assassination, mass murder of civilians, and suicide attacks. 254 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 4: All civil wars have a tendency to be deeply unpleasant, 255 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 4: but in this case, brutality was mobilized as another weapon 256 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 4: of war. I mean, there were at least forty thousand 257 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 4: civilians who died. We have cases of cities like Grosny 258 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 4: being leveled even when their civilian populations within, But we 259 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 4: also have a huge range of everything from outright atrocities 260 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 4: to just simply heedless brutality. Looting, for example, was widespread. 261 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 3: This is audio of a Chechen fighter returning a laptop 262 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 3: that was looted by Russian forces. How he got it 263 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: back we probably don't want to know. In the end, 264 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 3: Houtin ultimately won his war, but at what cost. 265 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 4: What happened is essentially Chechnia was brought under control. But 266 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 4: it was brought under control firstly by massive levels of brutality, 267 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 4: secondly by promising the new Chechen elite huge amounts of 268 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 4: money and considerable autonomy. 269 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: With this context, now let's return to Alah at her 270 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: fellow soldier Rashid as they walked their lookout point on 271 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 3: the Russian Chechen border. With the looting of Russian troops 272 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 3: has led to a retaliatory attack by the Chechen militia. 273 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 2: So we we went to our location with Russia at 274 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 2: the small hill. And while we were laying there, like 275 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 2: I was just looking at the vauge all the time. 276 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: One am, two am, three am, four am. By five am, 277 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: I noticed that I was shaking. I was called as well. 278 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: But you know, like this feeling when you scared so much, 279 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 2: it's like your heart is shaking and it gives this 280 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 2: shake to all your body. So six am, we've heard 281 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: some gunshots from outside. It wasn't that long for a 282 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: few minutes and Rushet he touched me with my shoulder 283 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: and he said, okay, now like now, and he pressed 284 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 2: the trigger and he shot them the enemy. He said 285 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 2: to me, it's simple. Now it's your turn. And I 286 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: saw through the scope. I saw the face with the 287 00:20:53,760 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: beard and with the hat, and I stop breathing at 288 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 2: that moment, but I waited. I felt like the blood 289 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: and the heart beatings through my ears, like I could 290 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: feel that my heart is beating so loud, or she 291 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: told me, like do it now. I pressed the trigger 292 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 2: and it was the silence pressed the trigger. I didn't cry. 293 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 2: I didn't feel anything that time. That moment, I just 294 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 2: didn't feel anything. I felt the metallic, you know, metallic. 295 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: I don't know how do you say it. I just 296 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 2: felt the strength of the gun and I didn't look again. 297 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: I just close my eyes like that. And then Raschid 298 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: told me, good job. Was it a good job? I 299 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: don't know. I laid there for maybe an hour in 300 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 2: the silence. Raschett also didn't talk. And then in the 301 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 2: morning later we returned to our pace. I didn't want 302 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: to talk to anyone. I drank a little bit water, 303 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 2: but I couldn't even I couldn't even eat anything. When 304 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: you experience something like that, it's just so much stressed. 305 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 2: It was like almost like nauseous to even think about 306 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: the food. I fell asleep. When I woke up, it 307 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 2: was already dark and only Rashid came to me. He 308 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 2: said to me, do you feel like okay? Like yeah, 309 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: and he said, well, let's go, Let's go back. We 310 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: need to, you know, to go back to our position. 311 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: I said, like, yeah, let's go. 312 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 3: As Aliyah and Rashid walked together, he spoke to her 313 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 3: about his own challenges and come to terms with a 314 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 3: horrible act of killing, trying to help her feel better 315 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: about the events of the day before and likely the 316 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: day ahead. 317 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: We're walking and he talked to me. His eyes were 318 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 2: always warm, you know, like he was really kind and 319 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: he loved nature. He always was like looking at the 320 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 2: sun and telling like it's so beautiful and leaves and 321 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 2: trees and and he was a perfect sniper and killer. 322 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: Told me about the wolf. He was a young boy. 323 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 2: His father took him for the hunting and he said, 324 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 2: I saw a big wolf and he said his eyes 325 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,879 Speaker 2: were so beautiful, and he said he looked at me, 326 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: and father said, like, don't hesitate pressed the trigger and 327 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: he said, I I couldn't do it because the wolf 328 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 2: was so beautiful, like just beautiful animals, just like strong eyes. 329 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 2: And he said he felt really bad after. He made 330 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: me to feel a little bit better. I told him, listen, 331 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: it's still human being, and it's still someone's son, perhaps father, brother, husband. 332 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: And he said to me, never think this way, he said, 333 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: when I hunt animals, they also have families, but you 334 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: are the hunter. Never think that these people are somehow 335 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 2: cescated to anyone else, because if you will start to 336 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 2: do this, when you hesitate to press the trigger, that 337 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: exactly the moment when you will be killed. You said, 338 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: you just don't think like you aim it you press 339 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 2: the button. We came to the position that night. It 340 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 2: was quite I could hear how the wind was going. 341 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: As they set up their guns, and they waiting in 342 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: this irrequiet. Elia's dreads soon came back. Despite Rashid's talk. 343 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 2: That smell and that coldness, and that disgusting feeling of 344 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: the metallic cold weapen in your hands constantly, where your 345 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 2: finger is just stuck closer to the trigger, and you're 346 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: always in pressure, waiting. 347 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 3: Even after several more nights of stillness broken by gunfire, 348 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 3: Alah never became comfortable with the horrible task required to survive. 349 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 3: The constant terror. Sleeplessness and discomfort made away at. 350 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 2: Her like I came to the point where I just 351 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 2: was thinking that I don't care what will happen. I 352 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: just want to get out, Like you don't care anymore even, 353 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 2: you know, like at some point you're so scared, you're scared, 354 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 2: You're scared, You're scared, you're scared, and then you at 355 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: some point you're just like so tired to be scared 356 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 2: that you like, fuck it if I will be killed, 357 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: I don't care anymore, Like I'm so tired, you know, 358 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: Like it's like you're just so exhausted. You just feel like, 359 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: even if it will happen to me, it's okay. I 360 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: saw enough, it's fine. I just want to go to 361 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: somewhere else, maybe in another world. 362 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 3: But instead it just got worse. One night in particular, 363 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: just before a big mission, Aliah was plagued by nightmares 364 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: and found herself praying in her half sleep. 365 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:29,160 Speaker 2: Please God, please just get me out of here, please. 366 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to be here. Do something so I 367 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 2: can leave this place, and I want to go home. 368 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: She slept fifthully, and then suddenly she woke to noise 369 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: and chaos all around her. 370 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 2: When I woke up, I felt like something was going 371 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: wrong and people like running, and it's some kind of 372 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 2: like tension, but I didn't know exactly what happening. 373 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: What was happening is that our base was being pounded 374 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 3: by grenades and waters. 375 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 2: Behalf of the base. It was just bombard like that, 376 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: and the holes like land and sun and everything just 377 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: with all this, you know, like soil. It just flew 378 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 2: under my on the top of my head, like just 379 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: with a how do you call it, like with the 380 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 2: with the bomb like pup pressure. And because I was 381 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 2: laying in the corner like rush, it gave me that. 382 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 2: He gave me that. He gave me that corner because 383 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: it was the most safest place, he said, And he 384 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: gave me that safe place. They all were under the 385 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: not all of them, but like eighty percent of my friends, 386 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 2: they who killed. Parts of bodies were everywhere. I couldn't 387 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: stand because my left she had something fall on it, 388 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: like the wooden a huge stick which was next to 389 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 2: my place where I slept. It's like it falls on me, 390 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 2: but it falls exactly on my leg and it broke 391 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: my bone. And I didn't know exactly what happened, but 392 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: I couldn't stand up. And when I took this like 393 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: leant out and all this stuff I saw the bone, 394 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: the white bone, which was like out of my chin, 395 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: through the through the trousers, which I was worrying all 396 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: the time, and I couldn't do anything. I started to scream, 397 00:29:53,120 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: like like help, help, but I couldn't hear anyone, the lieutenant. 398 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 2: It was a light, but wherechid wasn't I just remember 399 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: Rashid's face laying just next to me, and he didn't 400 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 2: have half of his body. It was just his head 401 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 2: and arms and just his shoulders. And he was joking 402 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 2: the last time. He said, Hey, why don't you marry me? 403 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: You know you would be such a good couple. I'll 404 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: take it to Syberia to introduced to my mom. She'd 405 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: love you so much. I was laughing. I said, you 406 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: said he did. I wish I would never say it 407 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 2: to them. I wish I would say yes. I felt guilty. 408 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: He cared about me, you know, not like others. He 409 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: really did. He never tried to like even touch me 410 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: in a way where he would like hit on me 411 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: or something like, not like any other man. He was 412 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:10,479 Speaker 2: really noble. 413 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: These thoughts flashed through a Lea's mind as she lay 414 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: under the rabble, unable to move. 415 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: Everything was like in a dream, my commander lieutenant was 416 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: like screaming and calling like is anyone, is anyone anyone 417 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: can hear me? And I screamed like here here, like 418 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: I'm here. He came with another guys. He looked at 419 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: me like like you know, like what's going like what happened? 420 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: Like where depends? Like you injured? 421 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 4: What? 422 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 2: And I showed him on the leg like yes, yes, 423 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 2: I broke my leg. They helped me from my arms 424 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: to get me out. We went out from the from 425 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 2: the base a little bit further like under the hill, 426 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: and we sat over there from about like forty soldiers. 427 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 2: There were only ten people left on the ten all 428 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: these boys, the boys view like twenty three, twenty two, 429 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 2: even twenty five, they're just little kids. They've didn't seen 430 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: anything in this life. And they were killed just in 431 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 2: front of me. They were just killed. And that that's 432 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 2: And when you see like these young kids like dying 433 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 2: for nothing, how do you feel like is it fair? 434 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,719 Speaker 2: Even like where is the justice? 435 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 5: Why? 436 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: Like what's the reason of doing that? You know, like 437 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 2: even like it doesn't make any sense. 438 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 3: A support team eventually showed up in a military truck 439 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 3: along with two medics who examined a Leah. 440 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 2: They said to Lieutenant, I mean, she's like pointless soldier 441 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 2: right now. She can't do anything. She can't to properly. 442 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: So when they started to untie the bandages, I started 443 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: to scream and they gave me. I think it was 444 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 2: more for or something like that. I don't know, because 445 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: I remember that feeling. I was laying just in front 446 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 2: of the car and I looked at the sky and 447 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: the sky I remember exactly clouds and it was blue, 448 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 2: so blue that you felt like it was like I 449 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: haven't and I just closed my eyes and I like 450 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 2: passed over, and in the car, I remember I woke 451 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: up and I started to scream, and then my commander said, 452 00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 2: like relax, rest, rest, it's gone too stressed in Nicholas 453 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: Mayus again. 454 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 3: The Leah's story continues in episode eleven. 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