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Speaker 2: I keep my stuff on me. That's that gold baby,

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Speaker 2: and they have you. That's my own round. Keep them

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Speaker 2: in that purse in Nasonality All my life.

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Speaker 3: Grunning all my life, sacond Frights, Hustle, pic Price, Want

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Speaker 3: a slicet, Brodys to swape all my life, Poppy grinding

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Speaker 3: all my life, all my life, running all my life,

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Speaker 3: sacri fights, hustle, patic Price, one slice, Doctor Brodys, the

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Speaker 3: swash all my life, Poppy grinding all my life.

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Speaker 1: Hello on, Welcome to another episode of Club Sha Shay.

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Speaker 1: I am your whole Shannon Sharp and we're on the

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Speaker 1: road at Sweet Science Fitness at Lanta Boxing Club right

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Speaker 1: here in Atlanta, Georgia. The lady that's stopping buy for

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Speaker 1: conversation with drink today is one of the world's best

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Speaker 1: active female boxing pound profound with an undefeated professional record.

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Speaker 1: She holds nineteen major world championships Fanny five way classes.

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Speaker 1: She holds the record becoming a two, three, four or

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Speaker 1: five division world champion, and the was a professional fight.

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Speaker 1: She's the first and only fastest boxer in history to

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Speaker 1: hold four major world titles in boxing in three way classes.

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Speaker 1: She's the first ever undisputed woman's heavyweight champion. She's the

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Speaker 1: most watched woman's professional boxer in history. She's the first

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Speaker 1: American to win Olympic gold medal. She's the seventeen years

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Speaker 1: of age and she won back to back gold medals.

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Speaker 1: She was inducted to the USA Boxing Alumni Association Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. Her gloves were enshrined into the International Boxing

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. From Blint Street to global fame her

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Speaker 1: she is the Globe the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 4: Coach of ships.

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Speaker 1: Larry Holmes used the jab. He was trying to do damage.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people use the jabs as a range finder.

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Speaker 1: Clitch go. It was a range finder because he's trying

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Speaker 1: to drop the right hand. So he was pool, that's

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Speaker 1: what he's trying to do. Larry Holmes was pos.

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Speaker 4: That's me.

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Speaker 2: That's my jabrh So you try to do our jab? Yes,

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Speaker 2: uh snappy powerful.

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Speaker 1: So I'm pushing.

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Speaker 5: Almost or am I?

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna bring your legs on there you go

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Speaker 2: and put some of the weight on your back, right

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Speaker 2: back leg, because what you're gonna do when you push off,

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Speaker 2: you want to make sure that you that your waistand

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Speaker 2: in the middle of.

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Speaker 5: Here, so when you push off, you're going forward. But

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Speaker 5: you still.

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Speaker 2: Just take a little step so you can back up

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Speaker 2: something because you're real tall. So get your stands together again.

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Speaker 2: Let me see but you I'm out there. Yeah, So

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Speaker 2: when you take your step, you're gonna hit the back.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna take a short step probably about right there.

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Speaker 5: Go that's the good jab.

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Speaker 1: So you draw. They gonna feel it though, I'm just wait, that's.

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Speaker 4: One of the ones.

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Speaker 5: Third, like that's like a clicker.

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Speaker 2: You push off your back leg the way that you

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Speaker 2: really want to push off and really get it. Ah,

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Speaker 2: that is gonna it's gonna stick them, you know what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, make them say what's UPO.

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Speaker 5: You have more power if you push off that back leg.

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Speaker 2: And then when you throw your right So when you

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Speaker 2: got this hand here, you get that hand up, so

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Speaker 2: you're gonna pull this shoulder back. Switch positions and put

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Speaker 2: that shoulder in front. That's where the power comes right there.

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Speaker 2: But keep that foot down. You're not moving into the

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Speaker 2: front when you throw it. When you go one, push

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Speaker 2: it there because you push it off both So one

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Speaker 2: switch positions on the shoulders. Let's go, so being legs,

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Speaker 2: some one pull the back yes.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I know you're.

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Speaker 5: Gonna feel that power.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't want to feel it. I want

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Speaker 1: them to feel it.

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Speaker 5: Well, you're gonna feel it when you throw it.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 5: To make sure your jab is up here where your

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Speaker 5: where your head is that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 5: One almost again, go it's that was more stronger that was.

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Speaker 2: Let's go again one more time. Your jab a little soft, POD's.

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Speaker 1: Stop.

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Speaker 5: Stop.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you remember telling me that jab fall You said

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Speaker 1: you see the bag still move it thirty second you're.

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Speaker 5: Definitely shaking it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So now that we got that jab, we got that right,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna get our hooks.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna pull this shoulder back now and make the

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Speaker 5: l with this hand, the l up the case.

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Speaker 4: Yeah there you go.

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Speaker 2: All right, So let's try again one, two, three, and

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Speaker 2: make sure that when you twist back on that hook.

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Speaker 4: Twist it goes there.

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Speaker 5: So it's got it tworking the hip and the on shoulder.

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Speaker 5: Watch yourself. Let's go. Keep that foot down, you move it,

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Speaker 5: keep that foot right where it's head.

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Speaker 1: Pivot with it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can pivot, believe it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna pick it up.

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Speaker 4: You don't pick it up.

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Speaker 5: Don't pick it up. Back up something. Let's go a sweats.

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Speaker 1: I need to wrap.

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Speaker 4: Doing that hoop ba hey.

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Speaker 5: The hook is is a real sneaky punch. Yeah, everybody

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Speaker 5: worry about that jab that right here?

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Speaker 4: What is that hooked?

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Speaker 1: Nah on the upper cut.

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Speaker 4: The upper cut is coming because that's.

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Speaker 1: The one you don't see. See sometimes you can even

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Speaker 1: catch that hook coming out.

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Speaker 5: There right because it's up top. But this one coming

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Speaker 5: from Monday cut you right on that butt right there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you sweating already?

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Speaker 1: Yeah you see that?

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Speaker 5: Not ready? The last score is we gonna have that

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Speaker 5: jaz step with it that too.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna put that three on them and the upper

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Speaker 4: cut down.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's gonna be like, but the uppercut you're making a

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Speaker 5: U here, so it's coming from here here. If you

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Speaker 5: want to go to the body, bring your legs, are

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Speaker 5: gonna go to the head, you.

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Speaker 4: Bring your right so the jab, but keep your chin down.

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Speaker 4: Okay when you throw that uppercut, you don't want to

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Speaker 4: come here, oh boom and throw it ever cut.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna just twist it so that don't put that

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Speaker 5: look up front put that look up front. Boom. Now

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Speaker 5: when you twist here, boom, make this upper putt you

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Speaker 5: gonna hear them the poor enough is right there.

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Speaker 1: That's your upper pupp m h man. Don't hurt my

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Speaker 1: wrists throwing the hook.

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Speaker 4: Oh you put that, you put that to work on it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 4: Just come close, keep your fits close. Make sure you

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Speaker 4: don't have mo open.

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Speaker 1: I did. That's what happened.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Well, well, I don'ly hurt my hand. I only

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Speaker 5: hurt my hand whenever my hand is open or it's

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Speaker 5: not like when you close it all the way it

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Speaker 5: should hurt.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think is what it did is that I'm

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Speaker 1: never hurt.

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Speaker 4: That was soft on one two three. So mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: Keep that hand down.

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Speaker 4: You done through like seven.

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Speaker 5: Punches one two three four. We're bringing that upper club

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Speaker 5: right here, so right there in the middle of the body.

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to hit him with his chance for

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Speaker 1: as are.

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Speaker 5: You going to the head? Yeah, oh, we're still bringing

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Speaker 5: it up. Just don't bring it over here. The head

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Speaker 5: is where your head is, all right, because you're lighting

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Speaker 5: them up one two three upper come here.

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Speaker 4: There we go. Perfect.

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Speaker 5: It's actually pretty good.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good.

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Speaker 4: They're really not ready for the right.

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Speaker 5: Hey, I can't get you gonna call me?

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Speaker 1: I'm coming that what I did he handle that?

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Speaker 5: He told me to know what He's gonna buaild me

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Speaker 5: out too, I'm coming.

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Speaker 4: It's it's no no, that was good.

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Speaker 5: You want you want any more?

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Speaker 1: No? I want them?

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Speaker 4: That would you asked?

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Speaker 1: The watch some good? What we got? What you got?

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Speaker 4: What I got for you?

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Speaker 5: I got you a Christian woe had And I couldn't

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Speaker 5: figure out your size. But this is a two X.

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Speaker 5: I feel the two and I don't know if you

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Speaker 5: were matching, you know, but it got the pants to it.

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Speaker 4: To the side, yeah, to the side.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the pass, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think these are these women to

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Speaker 1: as so they men two eggs.

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Speaker 2: They're you in six, but you know what, you got

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Speaker 2: a football body, so they might not.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know what y'all think. Y'all think

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be y'all thin I'm gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: do this.

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Speaker 4: I think get the hoodie.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna pick the hoodie.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about the arms though, Man, you're huge.

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Speaker 1: The hold on, hold on, I thought we're getting this.

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Speaker 1: We'll we'll, we'll get we'll talk about this in the ring.

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Speaker 1: It's good to be right, Chlorissa. You born in Flint,

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Speaker 1: what did Clarissa want to be?

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Speaker 5: My first dream was to be a singer like Aaliah.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 5: My second dream was to be a mom. My third

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Speaker 5: dream was to be a boxer.

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Speaker 1: You've always wanted to be a boxer.

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Speaker 5: Yes, well, those were like the dreams in order before

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Speaker 5: I started boxing. I wanted to be a singer and

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Speaker 5: I want to be a mom.

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Speaker 1: Mom.

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Speaker 2: But at a young age. I started boxing when I

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Speaker 5: Me like what do you want to be? And I

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Speaker 1: You come from a big family.

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Speaker 2: Well, my mom has four of us and then my

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Speaker 1: So what was what was it about boxing that drew

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Speaker 5: Me versus you one on one? That's it?

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Speaker 2: I had played basketball, I played soccer, I ran track,

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Speaker 5: Lot of time, Like who want to do that?

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Speaker 5: And it seemed like with boxing it just made me

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Speaker 2: So you grew up liking to fight, Yeah, I liking

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Speaker 5: And you said you was better than me.

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Speaker 2: But if I get in the gym and I work hard,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying is but in boxing, okay, I

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Speaker 1: But in a street fight that's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 1: So you grew up, You grew.

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Speaker 5: Grew up fighting a little girl the parts, yeah up

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's how I initially got in a boxing

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Speaker 2: But I started getting into fights at school because I

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Speaker 5: I was never the person to start the fight. I

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Speaker 2: Oh so my anger drove me to fight after being

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Speaker 1: I read that you had like a speech impediment. You

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Speaker 1: If you're non verbal, you didn't really speak until you

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Speaker 5: I used to just cry. My mom used to scream

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Speaker 5: Say you're hungry, if you want to go outside? Say

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Speaker 2: I think it took for me to get taken it

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Speaker 5: Time to me. Yeah, who understood me.

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Speaker 2: Taught me a little bit sign language because they thought

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Speaker 5: I just didn't want to talk.

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Speaker 1: And did you know you could speak? So when you

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Speaker 2: I was able to think, but as far as in

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Speaker 2: my grandma was very patient with me. She put me

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Speaker 2: in a speech and pepmine class in school and your

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Speaker 5: Sweet, but she was a no nonsense lady. I feel

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Speaker 1: Her right because the thing else, I had a cousin

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Speaker 2: So I had to get in the like, you know,

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Speaker 1: And the more upset you get, the faster you want

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because then you just be saying to them, what

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Speaker 1: So did the kids make fun of you when you

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Speaker 1: that something that they made fun of you about because

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Speaker 1: I had a speech impediment and I go to speech

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, bro, what is it. Why is it

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Speaker 2: No, So for me, that's why I got into a

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Speaker 5: So that's what made me start start fighting.

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Speaker 2: To just I think the first part I got into,

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Speaker 2: after that they wanted to be cool, like they left

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Speaker 1: Know, Okay, I kind of like, if I whip your tail,

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Speaker 2: Don't mess with listen the boys not the messing with Clarissa.

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Speaker 2: The girls have the mess with Clarists like it was

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Speaker 5: People just come up. Well, these kids, you know, they're

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Speaker 5: they're so mean. Nowadays, they used to walk up and

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Speaker 5: it away. So now the teacher's asking me what happened.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to explain it, and then this other kid

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Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I did my work. She took my

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Speaker 2: So after going through that for a while, I think

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Speaker 2: I think my first fight was when I seen somebody

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Speaker 2: I SUPs used to beat me up when I was younger.

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Speaker 2: So when I see somebody you up, and yeah, my

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Speaker 5: Brown used to beat me up, yep, but.

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Speaker 1: You fell bad. So they taking your homework. They're copping

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well she's believing the other kid because they're getting

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Speaker 5: It up, and through it.

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Speaker 2: And it seemed like that used to aggravate me. So

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Speaker 5: Kid before and not a teacher ms. I have really

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Speaker 2: It took a while, I think probably like sixteen fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it took a while.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned your dad was in prison. You said you

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Speaker 1: you understand that him being incocerated limited your ability to

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Speaker 2: So growing up where I grew up at, nobody really

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Speaker 2: So it was like the community like we all just

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Speaker 2: that you never had. So my dad went to prison

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Speaker 2: and when I met him, I mean, honestly, me and

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Speaker 5: Like my dad laughed real loud, and I used to wonder,

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Speaker 5: like why is my laugh so loud? You know? Why

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Speaker 2: So you know, stern and mean, and my dad is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, did you know who he was when you saw it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I had seen pictures of him for a long time

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Speaker 5: He just started crying and smiling real big, and.

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Speaker 2: He had braids, he had corn rolls to the back

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Speaker 2: And that was probably the first time that I really like,

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Speaker 2: let a grown man hug me, because I was more

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Speaker 2: of like, don't, don't, don't nobody touch.

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Speaker 5: Me, you know. But my dad came home hugging me

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Speaker 5: and giving me kisses all the time. He's made me

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Speaker 2: I'd be like, lips and then I think, I think

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Speaker 5: He said why you do that?

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Speaker 2: I said, Dad, you breast white cigarettes? Like just can

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Speaker 2: you see me, we kiss on the forehead, We kiss

446
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Speaker 2: on lips.

447
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Speaker 5: No more.

448
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Speaker 1: Did did kids make fun of you about your child,

449
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: about your dad being in prison? With that? Did not

450
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,399
Speaker 1: anybody know? Did anybody know your dad was in prison?

451
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 5: Nobody cared because nobody had their dad. We all was

452
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,320
Speaker 5: in We always in school, and we talked about our moms.

453
00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, like, our mom's gonna pick

454
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 2: pick us up. Mom, come to parents, take the conferences.

455
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,480
Speaker 2: You know, it was our mom that was involved in

456
00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 2: my life. So nobody like I was saying, like, how

457
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 2: can you miss out on something that you never had

458
00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,760
Speaker 2: now that I have my dad. When my dad did

459
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 2: get in my life, I did want to spend more

460
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 2: time with anybody and be around with them more. And

461
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Speaker 2: you know, my dad taught me how to run to

462
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Speaker 2: get in shape for boxing. You know, he take me.

463
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,520
Speaker 2: He'd be on his bike or in his car in

464
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Speaker 2: every other block. He'll have me sprint. He has had

465
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Speaker 2: his whistle that was so loud and annoying, and when

466
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: he blew the whistle, that's when you spread hit it.

467
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 2: That's when you sprint. So my dad will tell me

468
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Speaker 2: I ran two math, but really I ran four.

469
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Speaker 5: And my dad was like that I trick you to

470
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Speaker 5: run it further than Yeah, what you thought you was going.

471
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Speaker 1: Let me askow you qu I mean you and I

472
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Speaker 1: think people that go through things there are the best

473
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Speaker 1: people to got to give advice. So what advice would

474
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Speaker 1: you give young kids dealing with a situation that they

475
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Speaker 1: have a parents incarcerated and to deal with that that

476
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Speaker 1: they're not going to be around. They don't know if

477
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Speaker 1: it's going to be a year of two years, five years,

478
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Speaker 1: Like you said it was seven years in between two

479
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Speaker 1: years old and not nine years old and dealing with

480
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Speaker 1: your dad. How would you advise kids to move forward?

481
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Speaker 1: Obviously each situation is different. Yeah, what were some of

482
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Speaker 1: the advice that you wouldn't uh impart on some younger generation?

483
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Speaker 2: For me, I don't think that any of us can

484
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: control our childhood, you know, because we're kids, you know.

485
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Speaker 2: But I think that long as kids understand that you

486
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,480
Speaker 2: make the decisions for your life whatever. Like I think

487
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,160
Speaker 2: the younger you start, the better. So if you want

488
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Speaker 2: to be a dentist, a doctor, a scientist, whatever.

489
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Speaker 5: Nurse, you can start that at a very young age.

490
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Speaker 2: And I don't mean like start having a job, but

491
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Speaker 2: I mean, like start making those choices that will get

492
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Speaker 2: you there, knowing that when it gets to a certain age,

493
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 2: nobody controls your life anyway. I mean I moved out

494
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 2: when I was about thirteen and I was living with

495
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Speaker 2: my boxing coach. So that was a decision that I

496
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 2: made because I'm like, you know, the Olympics is in

497
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: four years, so I gotta start getting ready for the Olympics.

498
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Speaker 5: So I always tell like.

499
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Speaker 2: My advice is know that it doesn't matter who your

500
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Speaker 2: parents are or where you come from.

501
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Speaker 5: Your life is about your decisions.

502
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Speaker 1: Right.

503
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Speaker 5: And I grew up poor, so me always believing in

504
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Speaker 5: believing in God and getting baptized.

505
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Speaker 2: But my twenty eleven, you know, for I've got an

506
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Speaker 2: other plans I have for you, Plans to give you

507
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Speaker 2: a hope and plans to prosper and have a great future.

508
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Speaker 5: And so that's how I thought about.

509
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Speaker 2: Like, right now, things may be going bad, but it

510
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: will get better. So I always tell kids, like, listen,

511
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Speaker 2: whatever you want to be, your life is your life,

512
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Speaker 2: no matter your situation or your circumstances. You have crackea appearance,

513
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 2: you know, parents who abuse alcohol, drugs, whatever, But how

514
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: you decide to make your life is on you. And

515
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Speaker 2: when it turns out good, you can say you made

516
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Speaker 2: the right decisions.

517
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Speaker 5: You know, that would be my advice.

518
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Speaker 1: telling them club, Shayshay sent you your mom. You mentioned

542
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: your mom, your mom had had a drinking problem, battle addiction.

543
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Speaker 1: What was that like? What I mean because like little girls,

544
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 1: a lot of times little girls want to be just

545
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Speaker 1: like their mom. They you know that would you said

546
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: your life really turned around when you went and lived

547
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: with your grandmother. Yeah, was that your maternal grandmother? That

548
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: was your mom's mom.

549
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, my mama.

550
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: So can you contrast the differences between your mom is normal,

551
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: she's not. She's not intoxicated or she's not under the influence,

552
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: as opposed to her just walking around being normal.

553
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Speaker 2: Well, my mom is a lot like me, but she's

554
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: way more quiet. My mom don't hug people. She's really quiet.

555
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 2: She don't say much. She just kind of observed everything.

556
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Speaker 2: And she's very sassy. She's very sassy, Okay.

557
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Speaker 5: And.

558
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Speaker 2: Sometimes she can be a pushover, you know, sometimes to

559
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Speaker 2: her friends, people that's close to her, she would push over.

560
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Speaker 2: But when she get when she get that liquor in there,

561
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Speaker 2: she Mike Tyson, what.

562
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Speaker 5: Tell me you're the truth? Listen, mam, Mama will knock

563
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Speaker 5: you aside your head. Hey, listen. If you did something

564
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 5: to her when she was sober. When she when she

565
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 5: used to drink, She'll let you know.

566
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Speaker 2: And it could be a month ago, two months ago.

567
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Speaker 2: You've been and forgot it even happened. Maybe she called her,

568
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Speaker 2: you ain't answer the phone. Maybe you you did something

569
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Speaker 2: to her. And I'm telling you, she gonna remind you

570
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: when she get that stuff in her and and uh,

571
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 2: if you're around, she gonna go upside your head.

572
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 5: She to your hair with that with that cane she got. Listen,

573
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Speaker 5: my mama will hit you.

574
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Speaker 2: She ran up right only one time if that came,

575
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Speaker 2: I said, Mama, chill off real, you know.

576
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 5: But my mom.

577
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Speaker 2: But that's the difference though, Like when she's when she

578
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Speaker 2: used to drink, she used to get real, real aggressive,

579
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Speaker 2: real men, and she can and my mom can really

580
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Speaker 2: fight like she'll she.

581
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Speaker 1: Can, So you get it from your mama for real

582
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Speaker 1: though her.

583
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Speaker 2: My mom and my dad used to underground street. But

584
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 2: my mama she like I don't know, it's like she

585
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 2: starts to fight. It's kind of like my little sister,

586
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Speaker 2: you know, like they be starting to fight, like what's

587
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: wrong with y'all?

588
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 5: Man? Right, But that's the difference.

589
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: So my mom, you know what it took four I

590
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: think when I when I turned seventeen and I won

591
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: the Olympics, my mom.

592
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 5: Completely stopped drinking. You know, she stopped drinking.

593
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: She became more like now she like to hug me sometime,

594
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff, But she never was like that, wow,

595
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: when I want the Olympics. I feel like it made

596
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: her feel like she yeah, yeah, she did something good.

597
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Speaker 2: And I want her to know that she did do

598
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Speaker 2: something good and that I turned out to be all right,

599
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Speaker 2: even though my childhood wasn't all that great.

600
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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a conversation with your mom about

601
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Speaker 1: what transpired in your childhood and what went on? You

602
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: had a conversation with her, So what did she say?

603
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: Did she apologize like Chris, I'm sorry. I know I

604
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: did the best I could. I might have not been

605
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: the best mom, but I just want you to know

606
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Speaker 1: that I loved you and I'm proud of it.

607
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Speaker 5: Well, when I was five and I had got you know.

608
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Speaker 2: The R word, Yes, No, Families don't talk about that

609
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: stuff for a long time. So when it happened to

610
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: when I was five, we didn't talk about it until

611
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: I was sixteen, almost seventeen. So when we talked about it,

612
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: me me growing up as a kid and being taken

613
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: it by my grandmother and live with my grandmother most

614
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Speaker 2: of my child after being five, what I knew and

615
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Speaker 2: what I felt, I guess was.

616
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 5: Was like.

617
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: Was it was it inaccurate or was it emotionally flawed?

618
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I felt that she picked the

619
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Speaker 2: abuser over me, and I grew up with that.

620
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you tell him? Well?

621
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Speaker 2: I told my aunt, and my aunt told my grandma.

622
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: That's how I got taken me by my grandma. But

623
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Speaker 2: from my knowledge, I I thought that I had to

624
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: move with my grandma because my mom chose him.

625
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 5: That that was what.

626
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Speaker 1: I that's what you interpreted that, Yes.

627
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: Because you know they say keep kids out of grown

628
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: folks business. So I'm just with my grandma. So I

629
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Speaker 2: go from being around four or five kids every day,

630
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: my brother and my sister, now with my grandma and

631
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Speaker 2: just me and her.

632
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 5: You know how this is with grandma?

633
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, grandma straight.

634
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 2: Grandma just cook and you watch movies and you don't

635
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: go outside much.

636
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: A grandma is you know?

637
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: Yes, his grandma absolutely.

638
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 5: You know, And so that was how I interpreted.

639
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: So when it finally got when I was like sixteen,

640
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 2: I'm doing all these interviews getting ready for the Olympics.

641
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: I just beat the world champion Mary Spencer's a lot

642
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 2: going on and they can ask me like, you know,

643
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: who are you? How was your upbringing? And I just

644
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 2: was like, listen, I had a rough upbringing, but that's

645
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: all over now I'm about to win the Olympics, right.

646
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 5: But for some.

647
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,959
Speaker 2: People interviewing you like, that's not enough, right, So they

648
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: kept digging. Yeah, So they kept digging and digging, and

649
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to tell anybody about

650
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: what happened to me, because one, I don't want to

651
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: make my mom look bad. But then but then two,

652
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: if my in my mind, if my mom you know,

653
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: didn't believe me or took your side, and then what

654
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: I'm looking like telling the world that and they don't

655
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: take my side, you know, or they don't understand or

656
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: believe me. So I spoke with my mom about it,

657
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: and you know, she let me know. She like, she

658
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: told me she broke it with that guy. After a

659
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: year after it happened, she.

660
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Speaker 5: Couldn't believe it. She never chose over me.

661
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 2: I moved my grandma because he threatened to kill me.

662
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: That's why I moved my grandma. So my grandma, like

663
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: I said, she's very stern. She ain't gonna play with you.

664
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: So my grandma took me in just to keep him

665
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: from hiring me. And also too, he got beat up

666
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 2: by a lot of my cousins, He got jumped on,

667
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: he heard, he got pistol whiped.

668
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 5: A whole bunch of stuff happened to him. So it

669
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 5: was a thing of like.

670
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 2: All this grown folk stuff is going on in me

671
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: as a kid, I didn't know. So when I turned sixteen,

672
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: my mama told me, and yes, she apologized, you know,

673
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: she apologized, let me know that she loved me, that

674
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: it was okay to talk about it and get it out.

675
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 5: And me being able to talk about it is what

676
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 5: made me feel if it was the way off my shoulders,

677
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 5: it really was, because it was like a deep secret

678
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 5: that I was hiding, and I just remember kind of

679
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 5: like I don't know if I was blaming.

680
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: Myself or what, but it was like, dang, I always

681
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: felt like, you know, like like I wasn't good enough

682
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: to be with my siblings, to be with my mom.

683
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: But I'm grateful for my grandmother because she, I mean,

684
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: taught me how to clean up you know, shower, keep

685
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: your clothes to get the folge your clothes, hang your

686
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 2: clothes up.

687
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: I told me how to cook, you know, like my

688
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 5: grandma already.

689
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: Talked about you want a ten kids, so she's like,

690
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: well you want.

691
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: My grandma wanted me to sing.

692
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: My grandma used to always give me mic sets for

693
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: Christmas and trying to make me sing and stuff. But

694
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: I was always shy because I was singing in front

695
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: of her. But when it came like, you know, like

696
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: when the family, my grandma used to be like Coco,

697
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: I said, sing it makes it.

698
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 5: I'm like Coco. That's why I wear it on my shorts.

699
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 5: My shorts.

700
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: Yep. I think I read where you said that your

701
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: mom would intoxicated sometimes, that you would walk around for days.

702
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 5: Looking for Yeah, we have to go get her.

703
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're a child, Claris, do you I mean,

704
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: do you really like you did you realize at the

705
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: time I'm a child that this wasn't normal. And I

706
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: understand that you said most kids in Flint didn't have

707
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: their father, but the most kids in Flint probably wasn't

708
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: walking around the neighborhood trying to find their mom either.

709
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 5: Well, it's me and my sister. And I'm the second

710
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 5: oldest out of my siblings. So I have a big

711
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 5: brother who's first older than me, but I'm like his

712
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: big sister too. He called me his little big sister.

713
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 5: So I've always kind of like been the oldest.

714
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: So when it comes to our mom, my job has

715
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: always been to protect her.

716
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 5: So she gone for.

717
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: A couple of days and we don't know where she

718
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: at and we don't know about her safety. We're not

719
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: gonna call the police and stuff. We get out there

720
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: on the streets and we and we'll go find her.

721
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: And it was always a thing of see my sister

722
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: spend more time a mom than me, So I would

723
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: tell her, think of.

724
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 5: Your memory, what house dies y'all went to? In what streets?

725
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: Because Flint ain't that big, right ten minut and it's

726
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: north ten minutes, south minute east minute, so you can

727
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 5: go around a whole Flint probably within four hours just

728
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 5: walking around and hit the whole and hit the whole thing.

729
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 5: So that's just how we used to go get her.

730
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 5: And when we go get her, everybody knew like.

731
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 2: I was real mean, I was real mean, Like I

732
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: was real mean, I was rough, and I would fight you.

733
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 5: So people knew, like, hey, she here to get. Yeah,

734
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 5: I'm here to get I'm here to get my mama.

735
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: And I go on there, I get her and we'd

736
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: go home and like I say, you know, but she

737
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: was grown. She was always good, but it was more

738
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 2: of a thing like it was my job, you know.

739
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: I mean, sadly, it was my job. And I wouldn't

740
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: choose anybody else but my mama.

741
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 5: Like my mama was. She's a great she's a great person.

742
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: You know.

743
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,719
Speaker 2: She just dealt with something that she couldn't she couldn't

744
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: defeat at the time.

745
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: That do you think that's one of the reasons why

746
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: you're as resilient as you are is because of the

747
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: things that you had to overcome in your own childhood.

748
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's why I have a no back down attitude,

749
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: don't I don't take disrespect. I know that mentally, I'm

750
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: tougher than a lot of people. I know heart, the

751
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: heart that I got. Other people don't got it in

752
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: them that they couldn't survive. People talk about me inside

753
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: of the ring, you know, but outside of the ring,

754
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: I know that you guys.

755
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 5: People couldn't make it through what I made it through.

756
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: And then when it come inside the ring, and then

757
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: that carries I got a note quick attitude. I'm very tough,

758
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: I'm very skilled, I'm mean in there, and I don't

759
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 2: take no for an answer. I don't back down. So

760
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: I know that with all of that together, combined with

761
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: hard work and prayer, that that's why I'm undefeated and unbeatable.

762
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: Growing up, did you did you cook as a child?

763
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: Did you look as that or did you once you

764
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: got older and had to cook? Because you know, I

765
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: read that your mom used to sell to fuel her addiction,

766
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: that she would sell the food stamp. So now that

767
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: did your research. That makes that makes it very very

768
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: difficult for you to get food because you're reliant on

769
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: that assistance. And now, man, what are we gonna eat?

770
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: And you have to make something out of nothing.

771
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: Listen, when we didn't have food stamps, I wasn't really

772
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: that good at cooking back then. I probably hadn't had

773
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: had an idea from watching my grandma. But me and

774
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: my sister my brother used to split a pack of

775
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: Raymond noodles. We break it down the four pieces, we'll

776
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: cook it.

777
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 5: And that's how I used to do it. I used

778
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 5: to go without eating, eating a whole lot to make

779
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 5: sure that they ate.

780
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: So that was well, Like I said, I'm the big

781
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: sister though, so it's not a thing of I kind

782
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: of felt like, once again, like that's my job.

783
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 5: Like I just moved my.

784
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: Little sister to Atlanta, her and her three kids, what

785
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: two weeks ago. She has an apartment five minutes from me. Now,

786
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: like it's I don't know, it's not. It's not my

787
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: job to take care of them, but it's my job

788
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,959
Speaker 2: to make sure that everybody is good, if that makes sense.

789
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: That's normally the oldest, the oldest daughter. She normally takes

790
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 1: on the mother's role. My mom is the oldest, and

791
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: so when my grandmother was she my grandmother would go

792
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: to the fields with my grandfather. It was my mom's

793
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: job to raise the other kids. You took that on. Okay,

794
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: my mom's not here. Now I got to be the mom.

795
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: I've got to make sure they're dressed, get them ready

796
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: for school. I've gotta make sure, I gotta I gotta fight.

797
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: I just want everybody to turn out all right. You

798
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. Everybody ain't gonna be famous.

799
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: How did you? How did how did where did that

800
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 1: come from.

801
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I just loved my siblings and

802
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: they loved me before I had anything.

803
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 5: I think me and my sister are a complete opposite.

804
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 5: But it's needed, it's needed, you know.

805
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: I'm like sunlight and she like darkness, you know. And

806
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: but but I think that, you know, before my fights,

807
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: if my sister don't call me or she not in

808
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: the back room, I don't really feel like the beast

809
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 2: that I am. Like she she's seen the beasts before

810
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: the makeup and the hair, and I always like for

811
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 2: her to remind me of that. And sometimes she in

812
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 2: the back room, she like, hey, you' whoop her ass

813
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: and whoop your ass. Im like he was like you

814
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: can't beat me.

815
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 5: I'm no longer. But it still sounds good, you know.

816
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: So so let me ask you a question, like when

817
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: you were like, hu, did you eat a lot of

818
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: school because I mean, yeah, wool lunches.

819
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 5: We definitely relied, bang.

820
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 2: We definitely relied on the school school lunch. And listen,

821
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: I have friends. I'd be like, hey, man, let me

822
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: buy a dollar.

823
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 5: I'll pay you back.

824
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: And some of my friends still be like, you know,

825
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: you on me a dollar twenty five cent from when

826
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: I when I bought it some pieces.

827
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 5: I but I really don't remember.

828
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Your grandmother passed away. Do you remember where you were

829
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: when you got the news that your grandmother had passed?

830
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: And I can just imagine because I know I had

831
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: my grandmother for forty three years and I still remember

832
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: it to this day like it was yesterday with my

833
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: sister called and said she and and grand is gone.

834
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: So what because the woman that gave you basically everything

835
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: but life. She took you in when you were at

836
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: your most vulnerable, when you were at your lowest, and

837
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: she helped you become the woman that we see sitting

838
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: here today talking to me.

839
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 5: I can't think about.

840
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: You know, my grandma was my best friend, and when

841
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: she passed, it really it really hurt my heart.

842
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 3: You know.

843
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 5: I really wanted to go with her, you know, because

844
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 5: I was just like, I gotta be stuck here with

845
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 5: the rest of this stupid family, and she was the

846
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 5: best one to me. I wear coco on my shorts

847
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 5: for her. I wear the Betty Boop socks. I try

848
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 5: to carry her memory and you know, hold myself to

849
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 5: it to a to a high standard, you know. But

850
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: my grandma was she was everything to me and I

851
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 5: where was I at when she passed? I had just

852
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 5: seen her two weeks prior, and I knew she was

853
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 5: about to pass.

854
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: She had cancer.

855
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 5: She fought cancer like four times, had overcame it, then

856
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 5: they kept coming back, and this time I get it

857
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 5: took over her. It took over everything, basically. And I

858
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 5: just remember I've seen her two weeks before she passed,

859
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 5: and she was like, you know, she was my granny

860
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 5: was really really really really funny and sarcastic.

861
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: But she told me, she said, Coco, when I when

862
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: I go to make sure they bury me, you know,

863
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: bury me, you know, face down, And I was like

864
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: what She was like, yeah, so everybody can kiss my ass.

865
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: It was like, I mean I was I think I

866
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: cried that day when she was telling me that. But

867
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: I remember when she sat, I started laughing and she

868
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: was like, for real, Coco, she said, at my freedom,

869
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 2: don't looks and don't let everybody come up and kiss

870
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: a hug on me. She said, you know, I ain't

871
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: like people like I don't like these people. I said, Grandma,

872
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 2: you gotta to stop. You're not going nowhere. And then

873
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 2: but she passed probably two years before I won the Olympics.

874
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: But she but she knew I was going, She knew

875
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,439
Speaker 2: I was getting prepared for it. She kept my robe

876
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: hanging outside her house. I had a gold rope that

877
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: said t rex on it. And you know, just I

878
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 2: never really more. My grandma passed it until a few

879
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: until a few years ago because it was too hard

880
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: to deal with. But her birthday's coming up, November fifth, six,

881
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 2: and she passed away December twenty first, So November fifth,

882
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: I think it's November fifth or six, one of them days.

883
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: We're gonna set her birthday.

884
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 2: I always had a family come, We're gonna do a

885
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: big we gonna do a big dinner. And then on

886
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: her day that she went to be the Lord, December

887
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 2: twenty first, we let off balloons and everybody say, what's

888
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: their best memory of her? And we all got some

889
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: funny memories with Grandma so and and and I can

890
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: say that I.

891
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 5: Was a favorite. You know, my grandma. My grandma loved me.

892
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: And she she let me know back then, you know,

893
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 2: that I was that I was worth the trouble.

894
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: You know.

895
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: She let me know that even though I was different,

896
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: that I She was always talking about equal rights and

897
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: equal pay for women. This is this is when I

898
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 2: first got in the boxing, and I really didn't understand

899
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 2: why she was preaching it so much to me, but

900
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 2: she was always on it, and it kind of prepared

901
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: me for when I turned pro for the inequality that

902
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: we have to go through and all the fights and

903
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: the challenge that I had to had to overcome. I

904
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: feel like she mentally like she prepared me because the

905
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: stuff that she was saying, I kind of was like

906
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 2: jotting down in my.

907
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 5: Head as notes.

908
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: So and it really helped me in the amateurs to

909
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: get equal pay for the win who was on the

910
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: Olympic team, so it really helped them. But it's just

911
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: something that she kind of instilled in me, like instilled

912
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: in me on stand on your word, finish what you start.

913
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: Losers never quit, and quitters never win. Like my grandma

914
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: is still allot in me, you know. And she just

915
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: was like always, hey, try to talk it out, but

916
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: if you but if you can't lay it out, hey,

917
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: if you can't talk it out, lay him out.

918
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 5: And I was and I'm a true believer in that.

919
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 2: I think that I've tried to squash a whole other

920
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: of beef with people and It's like, you know what,

921
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: we usually got to fight.

922
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 5: This ain't gonna work.

923
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: We can't get along. We will get it on.

924
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: Let's go.

925
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: Glarissa. You you've overcome a lot. I mean, in back

926
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: and researching to you and reading your story. You try

927
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: to commit suicide twice at thirteen and sixteen? What was

928
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: going on so bad in your life that you say,

929
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: you know what, it's better if I go someplace else

930
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: then have to deal with what I'm dealing with here.

931
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: You know, I think that at thirteen, I was just angry,

932
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: you know, kind of confused about like why am I

933
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: kid having to go through all of this stuff? You know?

934
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: But I think at sixteen, when I tried to do

935
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: it, it was simply because heck, I thought my chance to

936
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: go to the Olympics was over. It wasn't because I

937
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: was still undefeated. But I think two or three weeks

938
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: before this big tournament to fight my way to Olympics,

939
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: my mom, you know, being intoxicated, a door fell and

940
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: hit me right on the eye like a corner.

941
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 5: It fell like it was off the hinders and it fell.

942
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 5: It made my eye real big. I couldn't see out

943
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 5: of it.

944
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 2: And this turn one was up in three weeks and

945
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 2: this was my only chance to make it to Olympics.

946
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: So that's when I was like, if I can't go

947
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: to if I can't fight my way up out of here,

948
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: and I gotta stay.

949
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 5: Here because this this.

950
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: Done happened, you know, I would rather just you know,

951
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: just go. And I was I was gonna, I was

952
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: gonna cut my wrist. When I was in a closet

953
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: and I one of my friends, well, I was I

954
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: made a post on Facebook or something and one of

955
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: my close friends, Aliah called me and she was like,

956
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: whatever you're thinking about doing, don't do it. She was

957
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: my best friend, she's still living my best friends now.

958
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: And I was in my closet and she was like, going, well,

959
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: I was sitting down. She was like, go in the closet, going,

960
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: go and pray.

961
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: She was like, what are you doing.

962
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, listen, I got this knife. I'm like, I'm

963
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: tired of being here. Like, if I can't fight my

964
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: way up out of here, I'm not about to live

965
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 2: like this.

966
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 5: It's overWe and.

967
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: She was like, go in your closet and pray, and

968
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: she spoke to me on the phone for hours and

969
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: I fell asleep in the closet, woke up, I still

970
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: clo still big as hell, and I just remember my

971
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: mom being she was sober now. She came, you know.

972
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 5: And asking me what happened to my eye?

973
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: And I was like, you did it the door hit

974
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 2: me in the face when you was acting crazy or whatever.

975
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: And then I just remember from there and then my

976
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: then my coach came and he was like, we're gonna

977
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: have to ice this.

978
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 5: You might not be to be able to go to

979
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 5: the tournament, and blah blah.

980
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: And I believe the first I think my eyes stopped

981
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: being black maybe a day before that tournament started or

982
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: the day of.

983
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 5: But it was like I.

984
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: Still went and fought five days back to back to

985
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: back and fought my way to the Olympics, and that's

986
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 2: all I really wanted to do, you know, at sixteen, I.

987
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: Don't think I looking at it and people to go through. Obviously,

988
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 1: when people decide to take their own life just because

989
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: they're in a lot of pain, but I fact, I

990
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: don't think they realized the pain that they're in. Imagine

991
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: that the pain that you do that the people that's

992
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: left behind, no, absolutely, because they're asking questions, what is

993
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: it what was going on so bad? And now for

994
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, they're asking these questions and

995
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: they're having to deal with the pain that you thought

996
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 1: that you couldn't overcome.

997
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 5: I think that too.

998
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: When I was that young, I felt like I didn't

999
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: know what depression was. You know, we all know what's sad,

1000
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: and it says that when we're mad, but we don't

1001
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 2: know what depression is. And you know, depression is when

1002
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 2: you having them suicidal thoughts, them bad thoughts, you know them.

1003
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: Like for me, when I went through depression, it was

1004
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,640
Speaker 2: like I I'm always a big advocate for myself and

1005
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: always beking positive and up and uplifting, and then it's

1006
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: like when you get depressed, that same work that was

1007
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: being uplifting and that was being positive now is being negative.

1008
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: Now it's being and then it's and then it's your voice.

1009
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: And that's what's hard for me to deal with. But

1010
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: once I, like I said, figured out, listen, you know things.

1011
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,359
Speaker 5: Every day.

1012
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: Every day it's not going to be a sunny day, right,

1013
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: but that doesn't mean that it's like mud either, you know,

1014
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: So I had to differentiate that and then just know

1015
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: that listen, it gets better. It's I mean, I always

1016
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: tell myself when when I'm going through something, I'm like,

1017
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: there's somebody going through something worse. I always tell myself that,

1018
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: and people when they come in with their problem, I say,

1019
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: you know what if somebody don't work anything, I'm being sarcastic.

1020
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm for real, it's somebody doing way worse

1021
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: than you.

1022
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:04,919
Speaker 5: I seen somebody.

1023
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: I've seen somebody sleeping under a bridge with with a

1024
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 2: with a cover, with with like with like dirty clothes on.

1025
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: At least you want somebody house and you able to

1026
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: lay down and get and you know, get some food.

1027
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: Day out there sleep on a concrete and acting people

1028
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 2: strangers for money.

1029
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 5: It's people. There's always some one doing worse than you.

1030
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: And I always try to tell myself that when I

1031
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: when I they's are getting hard, And I tell people

1032
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: that who come to me complaining about things being hard.

1033
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 1: You go to the Olympics, okay, obviously, the swelling goes

1034
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: down your eyes. It's okay. And you go to the

1035
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Olympics and you said, and you had to fight five

1036
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: consecutive days, and you want and you make your way

1037
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. I'm going to the Olympics. Lifelong dreams

1038
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: is a culmination. But I just don't want to go.

1039
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to bring that gold medal back absolutely,

1040
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: So now you switch it like, Okay, I gotta do this.

1041
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: I gotta do this. So now what's what's your what's

1042
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: your mind set?

1043
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: I mean, it was no other option for me. I

1044
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: don't think I would have lived flying home with a

1045
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: silver or bronze medal. I don't think I could have. Yeah,

1046
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 2: I would because it was my dreams since I was

1047
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: thirteen years old to go to the Olympics. So now

1048
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: that it's finally here and at the Olympics.

1049
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 5: I'm like, yo, this is yeah. It was. It was

1050
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: really it was really surreal.

1051
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: And all I remember thinking is everyone around me, even

1052
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: close on the USA team, was doubt me because of

1053
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: my age. But I had the best skills, I had

1054
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: the most power, and I was the most determined and

1055
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: I was one of the hardest workers. And I was like,

1056
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to win this gold medal and having my

1057
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: coach Jason crush fit with me.

1058
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Man, can you know you couldn't lose it?

1059
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, it's impossible. It was impossible then, and it's impossible.

1060
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 2: Now he comes to my fights. Now, I make sure

1061
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: that he got tickets and stuff. But Jason, when I

1062
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: tell you, like a a mass scientist with boxing, and

1063
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: not only that, he was a mass scientist with me.

1064
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: He knows how my brain worked. He knows what to say,

1065
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: when to say it.

1066
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 5: He knows how to communicate with me, even if I

1067
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 5: can't hear, if I can't see, if listen, they get

1068
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 5: me holding up covering my eye because I can't see

1069
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 5: it, and they be like, how many fingers you got up?

1070
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 5: And he'll figure out a way.

1071
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 2: To make me say two, even though even though I

1072
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 2: don't see nothing like he just is a mad scientist.

1073
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 5: And I mean the way that he trained me, the

1074
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 5: belief that we had in each other, really.

1075
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: Made my first Olympic run. I mean it it was hard,

1076
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, but we dominated, you know. And

1077
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 2: I always say we because I don't think I could

1078
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 2: have done it without him. And before my grandmother passed,

1079
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: she told me, she said, whatever you do, you keep

1080
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: on listening to that Jason.

1081
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 5: She always talking about you. Always listen to him.

1082
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: Even though when I was having a bad time or

1083
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: I was in a bad mood, she said, whatever Jason say,

1084
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 2: that's what you do. Always listening to Jason. My grandma

1085
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: was a big she's a big advocate him.

1086
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: Did you you lost the amateur But that was before

1087
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: the Olympics are after limbers, before four Uh, that was China, China.

1088
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 5: She wanted out China.

1089
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: But he didn't go then.

1090
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 5: Nope, he couldn't make it for financial purposes. He had

1091
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 5: no money.

1092
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: You but let me ask you a question, had he

1093
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 1: been there, do you believe you lose that fight?

1094
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: No, I don't believe I would have lost because we

1095
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 2: wouldn't do our homework. We wouldnt knew how tall she was,

1096
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: we wouldn't knew who was the judges. He made sure

1097
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: he did his homework all the time, and we always

1098
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: had a game plan.

1099
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 5: You know. He never let me get comfortable. He'd be like, yeah, yeah,

1100
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 5: this fight was good, but next fight, you gotta fix

1101
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 5: X y Z. You know so.

1102
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: But you know what, even though I feel like I

1103
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: didn't lose that fight against her and the amateurs, I

1104
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 2: feel like it was needed. I never asked God to

1105
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 2: be undefeated and to win the gold medal. You gotta

1106
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: be very specific with your prayers. I asked God that

1107
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: I said, listen, I want to I want a chance

1108
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: to fight for an Olympic gold medal. I didn't say

1109
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: I wanted to be undefeated or unscathed or anything. I

1110
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: just said I want to fight for it, for the

1111
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: gold medal. So this was a tournament before the Olympic

1112
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: gold medal, and I feel like.

1113
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 5: Well before the Olympics. So I feel like had I

1114
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 5: not lost, then I would have lost at the Olympics.

1115
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 2: So it was like, I can take that defeat because

1116
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: it built a different It built a different.

1117
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 5: Fire in me.

1118
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: Like it wasn't even just toward her, you know, like

1119
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: towards Savannah. It was like I literally want to bite

1120
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: off all y'all heads, Like I want to get so

1121
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: in shape and I want to get so strong that

1122
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: even when we get to the Olympics that if the

1123
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: ref don't stop to fight, I knock you out or

1124
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: I beat you so bad to where you quit. Like

1125
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 2: I got in really great shape for the Olympics. And

1126
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: I lost that fight three weeks, three months before the Olympics.

1127
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: And I mean for three months. I ran six miles

1128
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: one day, four miles and neck six miles the next

1129
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: day four miles and necks six four six four, went

1130
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: to the gym twice a day, sparred four or five

1131
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: times a week, like I was a dog. And that's

1132
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 2: what that lost happened again. Yeah, I'm like, this has

1133
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: never happened again. That's why now I still train like

1134
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: a dog.

1135
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: Now. It's like I'm always feeling.

1136
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 2: Like training like I'm the underdog, Like like I don't

1137
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: like I like I have everything to fight for and

1138
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 2: nothing to lose, Like that's how I that's how I train,

1139
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: you know. But that happened then I was like, you

1140
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: know what it made me. It made me a better fighter,

1141
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: and it made me just want to hurt people more,

1142
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: which is part of my job.

1143
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: It seems like you take both the most pleasure out

1144
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: of that part right there.

1145
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, people get hitting, they face shinning, even they face. Man,

1146
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 5: people be talking too much. Listen, listen.

1147
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: To sell it.

1148
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 5: Mike Tyson said, everybody got a game plan till they

1149
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 5: get hitting them out. And you know what a lot

1150
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 5: of a lot of these.

1151
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: Internet folks that be on the internet doing this stuff,

1152
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be doing that if we can reach through

1153
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: that phone and just give them a yeah, give them

1154
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 2: a good old Do.

1155
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: You be wanting to tell some of the people on

1156
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: the internet say, glove up.

1157
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: I do, but you know I have though I have,

1158
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, troll pulled up on me one time. She

1159
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: got the hands hold on you a come on, Clarisse, nah, man,

1160
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 2: come on, no, no, don't listen.

1161
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 5: First of all, the gym is a sanctuary.

1162
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: That's so while I'm training and getting ready, it's best

1163
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: you keep the internet beef on the internet. Don't ever

1164
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 2: come a where I'm at, where I'm getting ready for

1165
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 2: a real world championship fight, fighting for millions of dollars.

1166
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: You want to come up and pull up on me

1167
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: talking that trash to me face to face? Oh no,

1168
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: you want your ass look and I'm give you just

1169
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 2: what you want.

1170
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: That woman they had no skills though.

1171
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 5: She says she was a boxer.

1172
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: She says she could be in the fight, but an astronaut.

1173
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 5: But you know what, No, this girl had been trouled

1174
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 5: me for two years. Now.

1175
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 2: You know when somebody try you so much that you

1176
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: recognize they face. Yeah, that was a situation like that.

1177
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: It wasn't just no Red knew exactly. I said, what

1178
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 2: the what the hell is what the hell going on

1179
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: with me?

1180
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 5: Here? I thought I got set up that man, wasn't

1181
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 5: a minute, it's going out. And then I seen her.

1182
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 5: I said, I walked, I walked, I walked, I walked

1183
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 5: right a tour. I said, what the hell are you

1184
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 5: doing here? She was like, I told you I'm gonna

1185
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 5: give you that work. I'm coming out. She's like, I'm

1186
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 5: she said, I'm here to knock you out. Let's let's go.

1187
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 5: I said what. Yes, Now, in my mind I was

1188
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 5: like what.

1189
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: But I I told her off the jump, I wasn't

1190
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: gonna spark with her. I said, man, I'm not sparring, man,

1191
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: get out, you know, get out my gym.

1192
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 5: I'm finished. Train. I got and it was a sparing that.

1193
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: I had two dudes. They're waiting for me to spar

1194
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 2: with them. I had six rounds of one and three

1195
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: with the other one. I'm like, man, I'm gonna sparre

1196
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: you gone. I'm gonna spar these dudes. And she was like,

1197
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: got the being disrespectful cussing me out. I started cussing

1198
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: her out and.

1199
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: Getting the ring.

1200
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 5: Before I knew it, I just was like, well, glove

1201
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 5: on up. Then I said, I ain't got nothing to say,

1202
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 5: glove on up. She gloved up. I gloved up. Fight

1203
00:52:59,000 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 5: over thirty seconds.

1204
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: You're not that.

1205
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 5: I beat the hell out of her. She quit, she quit.

1206
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 5: I hit her with a big shot.

1207
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 2: She went down. Was no, she was like covering up.

1208
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: I hear it with a big bite shot and I

1209
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 2: hit her in the head again. And then she like

1210
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 2: started doing something. I don't know if she was like

1211
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: taking a knee or what, but she stopped fighting back.

1212
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: And you know me, as a fighter, we don't fight

1213
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: folks who don't fight back.

1214
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 3: No.

1215
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: Did I want to grab her and do some more

1216
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: stuff to her, yes, But the sportsmanship and the classiness

1217
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 2: in me said, let me let this girl go hand

1218
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: live and.

1219
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 5: Get on the fight here. Yeah.

1220
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: But you know what, I would love to do that

1221
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: to a bunch of girls that were talking trash though.

1222
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 2: I mean, if they ever want to come to gym

1223
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: and spar with me, I get in with him just

1224
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: to make him be like you disrespectful, you in your.

1225
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 5: Mouth, You're not.

1226
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: I can't believe.

1227
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 5: I can't I believe it.

1228
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: I know you do, Shannon.

1229
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 5: We live in the world today. Too many folks is

1230
00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 5: okay with being disrespectful.

1231
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,280
Speaker 2: Too many folks they are, And I'm going to sport

1232
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 2: that where listen, you talk it, then you walk it.

1233
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 5: That's what opponies do. I don't even want to talk

1234
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 5: trash back and forth with you. We ain't gonna fight.

1235
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 5: It don't even make sense. That's why a lot of

1236
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 5: the internet beef.

1237
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: I' be like, you know what, let me go ahead

1238
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 2: and just sit this one out, because she's not gonna

1239
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: fight me. She's gonna get on here every day, makes abliminals,

1240
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: make posts, talk trash.

1241
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: She can't really trying to see me.

1242
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: No, she ain't trying to see me because when I

1243
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: when I take this jacket off, these traps and everything

1244
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: by biggie yours.

1245
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 5: You know right now you see my shoulders.

1246
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you win the first American woman to win Olympic

1247
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: gold medal in seventeen.

1248
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I brought it too. I keep my stuff on me.

1249
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 5: That's that gold baby. Yeah, first one, uh huh.

1250
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: This was in London in twenty twelve. Yeah. And then

1251
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: you go back to follow it up in Rio. Yeah,

1252
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen.

1253
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 2: That's real, and they head you that's my own round.

1254
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 2: Keep them in that purse in nationality.

1255
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: So did you when you get back did you go back?

1256
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: So you go back to school and you a gold.

1257
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 5: Medal with yeah in the twelfth grade.

1258
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: Mm hm, you were in high school, so you I

1259
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: was popular? Popular?

1260
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was popular.

1261
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: The guy.

1262
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: They've been trying to holler before the make up and

1263
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 2: the hair, been trying to holler.

1264
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: Trying to get at you, like that Cris oh so

1265
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: coch so that.

1266
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: Coco was hot, you know, But no, I was always

1267
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: too like I was like up and up in school.

1268
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,439
Speaker 5: I was the jock.

1269
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: I was in honest classes. I like, I was a

1270
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: smart kid. I was famous. I had a documentary crew

1271
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: following me around, so it was more of a everybody

1272
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: knew me and I was still at the time I was.

1273
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: At the time, the only thing I was confident.

1274
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 5: About was boxing.

1275
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 2: So I spoke about boxing, holler, knocked people out, beat

1276
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 2: them up. But I wasn't into the whole yeah, because

1277
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: I was in a gym full of guys, and all

1278
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: we cared about is who got who got around the

1279
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: track faster, who sweated the most, who hit the butt

1280
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 2: back harder, and who wanted sparring.

1281
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 5: That's what we cared about.

1282
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 2: We didn't nobody was like, oh, rest you didn't have

1283
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: your lashes done today, or rest you got you know

1284
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: you like, oh, you're sweaty and like your hair's in

1285
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 2: the at for nobody.

1286
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 5: Nobody cared.

1287
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 2: I mean they had seen me look that look that

1288
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 2: same way from the time I was eleven til I

1289
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 2: was seventeen. I mean I went to Olympics and water

1290
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: Queen Latifa, cleup braids to bat like. I wasn't trying

1291
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: to be no glam model. I was just trying to

1292
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: trying to fight and win. That's all that really mattered

1293
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: to me.

1294
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: But your coach would like, you have a boyfriend?

1295
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 5: No boyfriend? I had a boyfriend.

1296
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: How you bore that?

1297
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 5: Well? Lying? But I think of my biopic, I had

1298
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 5: the boyfriend I had. We had been I guess since

1299
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 5: I was fifteen sixteen until I was probably about twenty

1300
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 5: two twenty one, A long time. I was a relationshs

1301
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 5: type person.

1302
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, hey he was when you when you

1303
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: was I mean.

1304
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know how these young boys is y'all

1305
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: the same aid?

1306
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 5: But you know how these young boys is Oh, and

1307
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 5: like I said, I was very stern. I don't play

1308
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 5: under that.

1309
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: And and I'm always too like a girl, like if

1310
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: it's ever, if it's ever a thing between me and

1311
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: another woman.

1312
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 5: I'm gonna always tell you to go with other women.

1313
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the fact you've met thought, you thought about that,

1314
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,479
Speaker 2: You thought about me with another woman.

1315
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 5: In your mind, you thought like, oh, who should I pick?

1316
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 1: Please?

1317
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 5: Don't pick me because I'm a doggie.

1318
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a dog You just oh, you think you

1319
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: like me and her? You want to fight with me

1320
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 2: and her. You want a lie to both of us.

1321
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: All yeah, I'm gonna dog you.

1322
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: Oh come on, don't be like that.

1323
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: No, gotta give it to him how how they want it.

1324
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: But that's why it was like, I'm more of a

1325
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 2: I can't be No. I found out early on that

1326
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: I can't be a pimp, like I can't be.

1327
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 5: Like a girl to have multiple guys.

1328
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: And damn you you're a one guy woman.

1329
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 5: That's it.

1330
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to have multiple men, and I don't

1331
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 2: want multiple men having me and having somebody else like now.

1332
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 1: You gonna feel some type of way.

1333
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 5: Oh no, I'm gonna get rid of you. I don't

1334
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 5: play that it's me or look it's me or nothing. Okay,

1335
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 5: So you like me, We together and we're making this work.

1336
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 5: If you want to go out and cheat and stuff,

1337
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 5: I'm like we don't.

1338
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 2: We don't got to be exclusive because I'm turning down

1339
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 2: all the type people.

1340
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, because they tried to get a Coco too.

1341
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: Now yeah, you know I could have the roster too,

1342
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: but I chose you.

1343
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 2: But exactly so that's why i'd be like back then,

1344
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 2: I was like, no, this ain't this, ain't that. So

1345
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 2: he was there at the beginning, but he just.

1346
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: Did he did he try to come back.

1347
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna put his business something.

1348
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't think that no guy who

1349
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 2: I've ever been with has not. If I've always broken

1350
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 2: up with them, I've never got broken up. I was

1351
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 2: broken up with them. So I feel like, no, god

1352
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: I've ever been what has ever been like? Oh if

1353
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: I tried to get back with them or they want

1354
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: to get back with me like.

1355
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 5: They always tried to. So I mean, but I don't.

1356
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 5: I don't blame them. I'm fine. He find as hell popping. Yeah, Dick,

1357
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 5: you know I'm saying natural, I don't blame them.

1358
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: Are you the first person in your family graduated high school?

1359
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: No, my mom graduated, my grandmother, my aunt. Out of

1360
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: my siblings, I'm the first out of my siblings and

1361
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 2: my Lilder brother got his GED.

1362
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 5: He's the youngest.

1363
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 2: I believe my older brother got his GED when he

1364
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: was in prison, because he did.

1365
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 5: He did a bit too.

1366
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: So I mean you're the first. I mean, think about it.

1367
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: You're the first for your siblings to get to high school.

1368
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: And you mentioned the others and going back and get

1369
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: a GED. But that, well, that was not something that

1370
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: you said. You're the second oldest. That's not something that

1371
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: you're thinking about at the time. You had a singular

1372
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: focus the Olympics. The Olympics, huh, and school is just

1373
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: a part of the you know, I gets Okay, I'm

1374
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm here, I'm gonna go get my high school,

1375
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: my high school diploma. But the main goal, your main focus.

1376
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: And you say you are a student, so similar school

1377
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: came easy to you.

1378
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, except for uh, what what was it? Science?

1379
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 2: I never I never understood science, but everything else came

1380
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 2: pretty easy.

1381
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 5: Listen. I would get all a's and b's, and you're

1382
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 5: like a D in science, damn a C in science.

1383
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: Like I think the highest I got on g P

1384
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 2: A I got a three point I got a B

1385
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: one time, so I got a three point three point

1386
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 2: eight and I was trying to get a four point

1387
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: zero this specific market period because I just like.

1388
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 5: This is this is that, get it. I'm gonna get it.

1389
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: And I got a three point eight because I got

1390
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: a freaking B and science. So I just was like, yes,

1391
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: science sucks for me.

1392
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1393
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: No, you mentioned earlier that you fought your grandmother, you know,

1394
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: you fought for equal pay. Hell, I'm doing I'm boxing.

1395
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: We boxing this same amount. I'm boxing. I'm in here putting,

1396
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: you know, putting my life on the line. I'm practicing,

1397
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm in the gym, I'm running, getting up early in

1398
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: the morning. And in twenty sixteen, the men used to

1399
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: get three times to pay the Olympic. The Training Committee

1400
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: correct with twenty twelve.

1401
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they used to get twice more before

1402
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: we got.

1403
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're like, nah, that's that's ain't right.

1404
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 2: Well, I was winning every tournament, so that didn't make

1405
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: sense to me. Yeah, And you don't really know what

1406
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: the other guys are making until you ask them. So

1407
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 2: when I found that out, I just was like, huh

1408
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 2: So going back from my second Olympic gold medal, I

1409
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: let them know like that I wouldn't go back unless

1410
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 2: these things changed and they were all four because they

1411
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: knew they kind of needed me to want to go. Yeah, yeah,

1412
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think USA boxing has had an

1413
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 2: Olympic gold medalist before me since two thousand and eight,

1414
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 2: which was andre ward or was it four two thousand

1415
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 2: and four andre Warden? I mean, well, we had some

1416
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: bronze melers, some silvers, what gold we don't? Yeah, yeah,

1417
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: I had got twenty twelve and twenty sixteen. I'm the

1418
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: only goal.

1419
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 1: For those years, right, And you know, us a boxing,

1420
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: we used to be the beieve's knees.

1421
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 5: Listen.

1422
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 2: I think I think Shakor Stevenson should be an Olympic

1423
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 2: gold mellonist.

1424
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 5: I was there. I seen the fight.

1425
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: He went against the Cuban, and I think Court is

1426
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: a better fighter than a Cuban. But he came out

1427
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: with the silver. But in my mind, Shakoor is like

1428
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: bomb dot Com, like this dude can really fight. He's

1429
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 2: in shape, he's focused, and he was just young. But

1430
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: I felt that he won the fight. I felt like

1431
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 2: he won the fight, but it was it was so close, right,

1432
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 2: you know, But I felt like Shakurt won it and

1433
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: he should not if anything, even though he got the silver.

1434
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 5: In my mind, he's an Olympic champion.

1435
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: But we've seen a rob too. What Roy Jones just

1436
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 1: got his metal back from the eighty eight.

1437
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw that.

1438
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: That was crazy crazy. I mean I remember watching that.

1439
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 5: No he did, which is like.

1440
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't but it was in soul. Did he having

1441
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: to be safe to be.

1442
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 5: Well that's so Korea?

1443
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, wow man.

1444
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 5: Yes, but you know stuff like that. I just can't

1445
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 5: believe it.

1446
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: Even though even with May wasn't you know what I'm saying,

1447
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: getting le brons, but but that.

1448
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: Was but that was in the US.

1449
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 5: That was in Atlanta, Yeah, in a Lena. But that's

1450
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

1451
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: Like for me, people don't even understand, like how terrified

1452
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 2: I was. I had just to me got robbed right

1453
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 2: before the Olympics, and now I'm going to the Olympics

1454
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh god, these girls is taller, they bigger,

1455
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: they more known, like what I'm gonna do?

1456
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? And the older you're seventeen, Yeah, I think you

1457
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 1: ain't fighting. No, you ain't fight no more teenagers. Them

1458
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: women twenties in the twenties and you fighting them twenties thirties.

1459
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 5: The girl I fought against for the Olympic gold medal

1460
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 5: twenty twelve. She was thirty four. I was seventeen.

1461
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: Theoretically she old up to be your mom.

1462
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 5: Really yeah. But she was strong though.

1463
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: That's when I'm like, ooh, these these older women got

1464
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: some strength on him.

1465
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 5: I'm like, she got that old woman. Hey, you know

1466
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 5: they grabbed me. Hold up, she was strong.

1467
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: So what so what you gain? Okay, you going there

1468
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: and you're fighting a lady that's double your age, your coaches,

1469
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: so so what was your game plan in the gold

1470
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: But you're like, Okay, I've gotten through all this for

1471
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 1: the gold medal. This is everything. This is everything that

1472
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: I prayed for. This is everything that I've hoped for,

1473
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: and this moment is here now. So were you calm?

1474
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: Were you relaxed? So? So give me your thought process

1475
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: up leading to that gold medal match.

1476
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 5: I was very focused. I was calm, and I was ready.

1477
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 2: I knew that the girl I was fighting against had

1478
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 2: hammer fist, she could punch, but awesome knew too.

1479
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 5: I was fast, lightning.

1480
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: I know I had a really good head movement, and

1481
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 2: I knew that if I got in the right distance

1482
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 2: and arrange with her, I would be more stronger than

1483
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 2: her than her against me. So I went in there

1484
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,400
Speaker 2: and just coach told me to have fun. He said,

1485
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: have fun and beat her up. I went here and

1486
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: I had fun and I and I beat her up.

1487
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:02,479
Speaker 2: But I remember the first the first round, she called

1488
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 2: me with a shot, and I remember, oh, that's it.

1489
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1490
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: But she had been putting girls down at the Olympicy.

1491
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 2: She had been dropping them, getting getting.

1492
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 5: A counts on them.

1493
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: And then she hit me and I kind of shook

1494
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: my hair a little bit. I'm like, oh, it's good.

1495
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, yeah, she want to fight.

1496
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: She thinks she's just big like that.

1497
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 5: And I said, okay. But the way that her punches

1498
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 5: were coming so.

1499
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: Slow, you can see them.

1500
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 5: By the time she do two.

1501
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 2: Punchers, I already had landed before six. So I'm gonna

1502
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 2: light her up and then sit on summer. When I

1503
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: started sitting.

1504
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 5: On them, it was over. Yeah, seventeen. But man, I'm

1505
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 5: telling you, like that girl was strong. I wonder what

1506
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 5: she's doing now, you toilet pover.

1507
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: So what country you think have the best fighters?

1508
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 5: America? Really, America has women, even women America.

1509
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: Wow, Now, if we're talking about a lot of these

1510
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: American girls sometime they don't show up on those big senies. Yeah,

1511
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: you know, when you got the world championships in the Olympics,

1512
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 2: these girls won't won't show up, but they'll turn pro

1513
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 2: and become world champions, you know.

1514
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 5: I think America has.

1515
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: Girls who are tough, slick, great upbringing, and we have

1516
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: a great USA Boxing program to help us get prepared

1517
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 2: to win, to win these tournaments. I think that the

1518
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 2: other girls in the other countries they just I don't know,

1519
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 2: maybe they're used to those bigger moments or something. But

1520
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: I feel like as far as in skill and everything,

1521
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: I feel like America.

1522
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 5: Has the best fighters.

1523
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,439
Speaker 2: And then I have to say second is the UK

1524
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 2: and we all know Kay Taylor from Ireland, you know,

1525
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: but the UK and Ireland kind of you know, But yeah,

1526
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 2: I guess it's my top three.

1527
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: But you know, the thing is is that amateur boxing,

1528
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: Olympic boxing is different than pro boxing, way different. And

1529
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: so you I mean, because you see like some of

1530
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: these guys that like didn't have great amateur backs ground

1531
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: become world champ You see some Olympic champions don't do

1532
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: nothing in pro.

1533
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 5: Well, I think that all comes with are you a

1534
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 5: complete fighter. Okay, you know what I'm saying.

1535
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 2: I knew when the amateurs and thems like before I

1536
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: learned about the point system.

1537
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 5: I then used to sit down more on my punches

1538
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 5: and pick my shots more.

1539
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: Well, then you get to Olympics and all they care

1540
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: about is who's laying the most points and who and

1541
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 2: who has the.

1542
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 5: Effect the punching.

1543
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 2: So you have to fight the point system in order

1544
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: for you to win a fight. Now, when you turn pro,

1545
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: it's back to how it was at the beginning, which

1546
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 2: is more taking my time setting my punches. But I've

1547
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 2: been doing something else for the past six six seven years,

1548
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 2: so I have to switch that to turn pro. And

1549
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 2: then you have to adjust to the no heager in

1550
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: the pro yes, And that's difference.

1551
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 1: What because you whither, you seeing your peripheral you.

1552
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 5: Can see more with the head you're off, but you

1553
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 5: feel more too. Absolutely, you know you see amateurs in

1554
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 5: there and fight on the inside and thought the combination.

1555
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: You're not gonna see that in the pros because you

1556
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 2: got you got a head, bud, you got I mean,

1557
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 2: you got elbows, you got listen, I got hit with

1558
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 2: a shoulder in pro box a shoulder you know she

1559
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 2: was doing something and I and I came in that

1560
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: girl and hit me my.

1561
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 5: Jaw her with her damn shoulder.

1562
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: So you ever get mad in there? Oh? You you?

1563
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: Oh you? Oh you're doing that now?

1564
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't get mad how the rain. I may

1565
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 2: look mad, but I'm not. I'm actually very happy and

1566
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: want to show off my skills and show you what

1567
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 2: I got, you know, but I know that I'm very strategic,

1568
01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: so I know that once you get mad, you can't

1569
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: really think. So I don't think I've got mad in

1570
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 2: a professional fight since my pro debut. But that's because

1571
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,639
Speaker 2: she kept pushing me on the floor.

1572
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 1: Damn.

1573
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, but that's really strong.

1574
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: She pushed you down.

1575
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 5: She was rough, but it.

1576
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 2: Was like, you know, you sitting her thumb punches and

1577
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: then you just see somebody just go boom.

1578
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 5: So it was like, what the hell I thought he

1579
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 5: was punching?

1580
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 1: Hey, did you tell you're not gonna say anything?

1581
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's when I got mad. The last time I

1582
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,560
Speaker 5: got mad, like right, hello.

1583
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 1: Last year, the big story in the Olympics would be

1584
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: Algeria Emoni khalif yeh.

1585
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1586
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, transgender?

1587
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:21,520
Speaker 5: Uh is it a transgender?

1588
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 1: That's why I mean, she's a benified her whole life.

1589
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,360
Speaker 1: If I'm reading it correctly, she's identified her whole life

1590
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:30,600
Speaker 1: as a female.

1591
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 5: I think she was born with the.

1592
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: Chrome x y chromatithing like that. Yes.

1593
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: So the reason why I why I still cleared away

1594
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 2: from this because nobody knows the facts. But I don't

1595
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 2: believe that in boxing amateur or professional, that they will

1596
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 2: let in the average, that they will let a male

1597
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 2: fight against women. I just don't believe that. I believe

1598
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: that the story was taking out a proportion. All the

1599
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 2: facts weren't there, and that's what we got. But emon

1600
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,599
Speaker 2: Kalief fights like a girl, so.

1601
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 5: And and I say that, just like not to just

1602
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 5: like she's a gold mellist too. So I said that

1603
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 5: to say, like, if she's.

1604
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:21,839
Speaker 2: Always fought against these girls, why now is it being changed?

1605
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: Yes, her whole life, she grew up fight against women. Yeah,

1606
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: y all of a sudden.

1607
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. So to me, I feel like.

1608
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 2: We we would have to go there to actually see

1609
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: her and talk to her and hear what she has

1610
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 2: to say about it.

1611
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 5: But I don't. I don't think that she identifies as.

1612
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm never identified as a man.

1613
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1614
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: I think that she's she's a girl and that's why

1615
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 2: now people say, oh that they want her to turn program,

1616
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 2: fight against me or whatever whatever. But she from what

1617
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 2: I know is it's a girl.

1618
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: From what I know going to an Olympics. Obviously, when

1619
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: you go to the Olympics, you make the American team

1620
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: and all these the NBA, Michael Phelps is there, you

1621
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: meet Lebron, Jane, I mean, so what, so what is

1622
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: it like to meet like, like, man, I'm most popular.

1623
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody know who theeds, these men are, these

1624
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: people are so so what was that like for What

1625
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: was that moment like for you walking in the opening ceremony.

1626
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 2: Honestly, I had thought to myself and this was such

1627
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: a surreal moment. I thought to myself when I see

1628
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 2: Lebron and everybody, I thought to myself, I said, Yo,

1629
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: I'm with the best athletes in the world. And then

1630
01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 2: the DONA man said, ding Donge, you are here to

1631
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 2: fight to be one of the best athletes in the world.

1632
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,760
Speaker 2: And that's when it hit me, like, yo, I'm really

1633
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: a big deal.

1634
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 5: I know. I thought I was the stuff then, but

1635
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,839
Speaker 5: I'm really the stuff now. Yeah, look.

1636
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: You are but little woman shape like you said you

1637
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: got shoulders, you got the body. I'm sure you've been criticized. Yeah,

1638
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: what I.

1639
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 5: Mean, people it's crazy because they don't want you to

1640
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 5: be a bean pole.

1641
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 1: They want you to be one hundred and five pounds.

1642
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: They want you to be one hundred and twenty pounds

1643
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: and be a Victoria's Secret Motel. What I don't.

1644
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 2: I really get confused because I feel like maybe it's

1645
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: a preference, But I'm built like the bodies that these

1646
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 2: girls in that these girls are getting in buying. Oh yeah,

1647
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm thick at the bottom. I got a

1648
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,400
Speaker 2: big butt and nice legs. I gotta slim waist.

1649
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1650
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 5: I may not be too big in a chest, but

1651
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 5: I don't want to be beat in chests. And I

1652
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 5: can move my.

1653
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:48,680
Speaker 2: Arms, but my back and everything is strong because of

1654
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 2: my sport.

1655
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 5: Yes, but when I put on a dress, I look

1656
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 5: just as femline, just just as pretty, just as fine.

1657
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 2: So I don't really get I think the criticism come

1658
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 2: from haters or people that's jealous, yeah, or wish that they.

1659
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: Were mean or something, which, like you, Serena went through

1660
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. I've seen it Serena, Like, oh she

1661
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: looked like a man or she looked like this. Serena

1662
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: was very muscular. I saw Serena when she was probably

1663
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: in the early twenties, and she was I mean she

1664
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: was in shot and shit, yes, yeah, yes, yes. And

1665
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 1: now I guess you know, now they like, well, I

1666
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: don't know where people. People used to say, oh, she

1667
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: she looked like a man. She all this, and now

1668
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: she she's done a one to eighty wortle body and

1669
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: everybody's like, well, I don't know why she did that.

1670
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 1: I like the old body, Well this is her body.

1671
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 1: Let me.

1672
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 5: They always got something to say.

1673
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:34,120
Speaker 1: Dude.

1674
01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:35,760
Speaker 2: You know, when I was fighting at one hundred and

1675
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 2: fifty four pounds, I was literally all muscled like I

1676
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 2: don't think I had nobody fed on me because it

1677
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 2: wasn't anybody felt left to be there, right, So then

1678
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 2: I go to one sixty my body was kind of

1679
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: still the same. Now sixty eight seventy five, I got

1680
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 2: I had to put on some must.

1681
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 5: To my legs and got a little bigger.

1682
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,799
Speaker 2: I got a little wider in the and the wasting stuff,

1683
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 2: and it's more of a this is what I have

1684
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: to do for the weight class yet, right.

1685
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 5: But I only look really, I don't know I don't.

1686
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,680
Speaker 5: I don't. To me, I don't look strong like you.

1687
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:13,839
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like, I mean, I look strong,

1688
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 2: I look in shape, but I'm not like yeah, nah no,

1689
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: but trying to make.

1690
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 1: It feel like they're feminine, Yes you are. You are

1691
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: a I mean women athletes, they have bodies, they have yeah,

1692
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 1: and they need that to be have functionality.

1693
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1694
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 2: So when I when I hear that stuff, as long

1695
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:33,680
Speaker 2: as I look in the mirror and I like what

1696
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 2: I see, that's what makes me happy. People will say

1697
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 2: that I look like I'm like one for I said,

1698
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 2: that's a beautiful compliment. But I walk around at one

1699
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 2: eighty one hundred eighty five pounds. You know what I'm saying.

1700
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 2: I know that I'm stacked, and when it comes to

1701
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 2: the fight, I lose my weight or whatever. But I

1702
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 2: like walking around with my meat and having my having

1703
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: my stuff, Like, oh, Pat love it.

1704
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 5: I was telling him that I'm a fighter at one sixty.

1705
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 5: He's like, no, you're not. I'm for real. He's like, na,

1706
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 5: we're not going around him on sixty.

1707
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: I mean, but as you get old, as you start,

1708
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: as we start the age, it gets harder to take

1709
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: that weight. Off and you're really trying to go back

1710
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: down to that weight.

1711
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 5: If the competition is there.

1712
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 2: But that's nothing but a diet and nutrition team and

1713
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: just a bit more running. But when when I have

1714
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 2: a fight locked in and I and I have a

1715
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 2: goal like hend age doesn't get in the way. I've

1716
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 2: been working out my entire life. So it's actually easy

1717
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 2: for me to lose weight.

1718
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 5: It's all about am.

1719
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: I going to lock in and focus and make the

1720
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:35,439
Speaker 2: sacrifices to lose the weight? But I went down one

1721
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty four and lost thirty five pounds or six.

1722
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 5: Weeks, So hey, am boss.

1723
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 2: But when you want to make history, I became the

1724
01:15:45,479 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 2: fastest boxer to be three times Unsplitty champion in the

1725
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 2: least fights. Yes, so I did that, But the sacrifice

1726
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,440
Speaker 2: was I had to lose thirty five pounds in six weeks.

1727
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: Is there is there a hereat is you're the head.

1728
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: You're a heavyweight, so there ain't nowhere you can go.

1729
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 2: So now one seventy five and one seventy five plus

1730
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 2: is different, right, So.

1731
01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:07,680
Speaker 1: You can go up another you can take it, you

1732
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,439
Speaker 1: can get another weight, you can get another division.

1733
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 2: Not at well, me and Danielle Perkins for that one

1734
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 2: seventy five plus, right, Okay, so that's heavyweight, right, But

1735
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: then it's weird because all right, we got different organizations, right,

1736
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 2: and for the WBC they call one seventy five heavyweight,

1737
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 2: but then other organizations called one seventy five light heavy.

1738
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 2: So it's like when me and her fought, we fought

1739
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 2: at one seventy five plus because the contract was at one.

1740
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 5: It was at one eighty because Danielle was a big girl.

1741
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 5: I came in wearing won seventy three. Danielle came in

1742
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 5: weighing that one seventy eight, and we fought for the

1743
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Speaker 5: heavyweight under championship.

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01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: Well, if you walk around at one eighty one eighty five,

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01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,000
Speaker 1: she walk around at one ninety and one ninety five

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01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:52,679
Speaker 1: maybe two.

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01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 2: Danielle Perkins is huge. Daniel Perkins is huge. Like, listen,

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 2: I love that girl, okay. But when I was like

1749
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 2: we was facing all for stuff, I'm like, yo, I

1750
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: didn't know. She was just big, Like somebody ain't telling

1751
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: me something. Hold up, I'm looking at her too.

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01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 5: Like, and then she's so calm and trying to be

1753
01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 5: all nice to them. I'm like, don't be nice to me,

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 5: I'm gonna beat you up, and she just like Clarisa

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01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 5: were good.

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01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I ain't know, id you about to

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01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,240
Speaker 2: hit me? We is not we is not cool, but no,

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01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 2: she me fighting against her. Let me know, Like, yo,

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01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 2: even though I only came away in one seventy three

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01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 2: for our fight and I rehired you probably from like

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01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 2: one to one, it was like yo, I was able

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01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 2: to handle her strength, handle her size. Everything about her

1763
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 2: was tough. Her bones was hard, she was tall, she

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01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 2: was strong, she was quicker than what I thought. Yeah,

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01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 2: I mean dan Yelle Perkins was I understand why she

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01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 2: only got six fights. People say, oh, she only had

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01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: five fights when.

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01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 5: We fucked nobody to see yn't want to fight her.

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01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: When I watched her fight and some of her fights,

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01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: these girls came in very confident in the first, second,

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01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 2: third round, But then you got to the fourth round

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,639
Speaker 2: and you see these girls, it's like tired, and then

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01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 2: they face start getting blooded up and bruised, and I'm like,

1774
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 2: this girl punching and this girl is punching for real.

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01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,679
Speaker 2: And then these girls end up quitting or she stop them,

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01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, I gotta I I gotta I

1777
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 2: gotta watch out for this one. And that was the

1778
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 2: only one who I fall so far? Who I said,

1779
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:26,719
Speaker 2: I gotta watch out for this one.

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01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 1: She was you feel like you going in the ring.

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01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 1: You're like, I'm confident I got you.

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01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,160
Speaker 5: Well, I had her too, but not. I was like

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01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 5: I had I had to watch her.

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01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't step up in here, slip up

1785
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: and you missed that one second?

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01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 5: Hey, catch you with a shot. You're like, whoa you

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 5: know and be like.

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Speaker 1: This concludes the first half of my conversation. Part two

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01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,839
Speaker 1: is also posted and you can access it to whichever

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01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: podcast platform you just listen to part one on. Just

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01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: simply go back to Club Sha profile and I'll see

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01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: you there.