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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, January twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, Season twenty,

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Speaker 2: episode number one oh one. Welcome to the latest edition

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Speaker 2: around here at the Star. A lot going on, more

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Speaker 2: happening this morning. We're going to get you caught up

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Speaker 2: on all that, give you our thoughts on all the

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Speaker 2: things that have transpired from the world of coaching here

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Speaker 2: at the Star over the last several days. Let's start

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Speaker 2: first with the news that broke here this morning before

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Speaker 2: we went on the air. Will McClay, vice president of

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Speaker 2: player Personnel, has been signed to a multi year extension.

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Speaker 2: My question for you guys, I'll say I've been on

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Speaker 2: most important signing the Cowboys needed to make this offseason

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Speaker 2: was Will McClay based on how they do business. If

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Speaker 2: you're not going to be as active in free agency,

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Speaker 2: then it is imperative that you hit on the draft.

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Speaker 2: And I think looking at his record, everything isn't perfect,

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Speaker 2: which you know, Brian, in the scouting world, there is

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Speaker 2: no such thing as perfect, but he's as close to

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Speaker 2: And if you're going to rely on that, I think

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Speaker 2: you got to have Will McClay. What's your thought on

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Speaker 2: the resigning.

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Speaker 3: Will McLay is a huge part of what the Dallas

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Speaker 3: Cowboys do overall. When you look at personnel, and and

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Speaker 3: I've talked with Will about this before, is the he

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Speaker 3: likes to call it the triangle, where you know, he

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Speaker 3: when you you have the Jones family at the top,

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Speaker 3: be almost a almost a diplomat when you're when you're

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Speaker 3: I've worked with, I've seen, you know, with Larry Lacewell

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Speaker 3: to him, make feelings feel better, you know, encourage. You know,

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Speaker 3: that's something you have to be able to do. It

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Speaker 3: takes a special person to navigate the triangle because somebody's

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Speaker 3: that's where Will does a great job of making sure

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Speaker 3: You know, your feelings are going to get hurt. Will

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Speaker 3: Here's where we need to we need your help here.

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Speaker 3: So it's really it's really like anything like in government

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Speaker 3: very good evaluator. He is an outstanding evaluator. He knows

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Speaker 6: He he has the right kind of personality to be

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Speaker 6: I think they've hit more than they've missed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of their cap has gone to resign

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Speaker 3: and you wonder if that is in fact to be about.

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Speaker 3: Is will going to have have to navigate? Listen, maybe

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Speaker 2: and I'm interested to hear what you think. It's just

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Speaker 2: I do think Will has lots of options. Let's be clear,

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Speaker 3: because you're now the experiences, the questions, the reactions. You

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Speaker 3: to and when it comes to how much more authority

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Speaker 6: He's a very respectable voice around here, and even for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's starting to make me feel a lot more

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Speaker 3: No, you're right about that, that you know the buy

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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott. It's I think it's no coincidence that Schottenheimer's

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Speaker 3: I think there's I think there's no coincidence to that

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Speaker 3: Schottenheimer to hire the type of staff that's you know,

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting I actually heard you mentioning similar thing

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to text you a million show I

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Speaker 2: We've seen it. We saw with the Chargers this year.

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Speaker 3: That's really the key, the key, the real key to this,

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Speaker 3: Now and now they get it. Yeah, they get him cheap.

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Speaker 2: about Brian schottenheim Er. He had his opening press conference

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Speaker 2: as new Dallas Cowboys head coach. First, let's just get

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Speaker 2: some thoughts on that that press conference. Was there anything

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Speaker 2: that popped out to you about the press conference? Any

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Speaker 2: impressions that you were left with as you listen to

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Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer or Jerry and Stephen talk during the press conference.

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Speaker 6: It's we're talking about it again because we did not

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Speaker 6: show the emergency. Emergency Oh my goodness, you guys.

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Speaker 3: Weren't at lunch when it happened.

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Speaker 2: No, well, well, there were people that were moving around.

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Speaker 2: It was like, oh, well, okay, so let's pull everybody

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Speaker 2: back together. There go, you know.

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Speaker 3: No, but.

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Speaker 6: To repeat myself a little bit, I loved everything that

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Speaker 6: I said that I heard from him. He's a very

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Speaker 6: very likable guy. And if you listen to the whole

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Speaker 6: press conference, I feel like some people probably didn't even

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Speaker 6: care to listen to it or stick around through the

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Speaker 6: whole thing, But if you actually go and watch it,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna find most likely than not liking the guy

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Speaker 6: as well, because of the way he speaks and the

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Speaker 6: kind of compassion and like emotions that he shows again

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Speaker 6: the support that he had from the players. A few

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Speaker 6: players showed up, some of the staff members showed up

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Speaker 6: as well to give support. Dak Prescott was sitting there

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Speaker 6: to giving him that support as well. And just like

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Speaker 6: you mentioned, Derek, he was a big part of this

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Speaker 6: hire as well. So everything was very very beautiful, very

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Speaker 6: nice and cute and sweet and tears here and there,

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Speaker 6: and I loved it. But at the same time, we

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Speaker 6: gotta wait and see what actually happens because this is

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Speaker 6: a brand new position for him. He's never done this before,

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Speaker 6: although he has like twenty five years of experience in

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Speaker 6: the NFL. He had a dad that was very respectable

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Speaker 6: around and he's grown all his life around that. And

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Speaker 6: he mentioned in there he feels like this is his moment,

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Speaker 6: this is the moment for him to come in. And

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Speaker 6: it helps that there's that continuity. I can never say

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Speaker 6: that word, but he's been around, he knows everything around

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Speaker 6: the building and the players. There's that relationship there and

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Speaker 6: I like the fact. And I said that on that

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Speaker 6: other show, even though Jerry mentioned that sometimes he bit

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Speaker 6: his tongue in meetings and things like that. You know,

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Speaker 6: it gives me the hope that the fact that he

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Speaker 6: had to bite his tongue and knowing his position at

533
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Speaker 6: the time sometimes is not always the right moment or

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Speaker 6: your place to be talking or saying some things. But

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Speaker 6: that gives me the hope that he was able to

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Speaker 6: see things that bother him or that he was not

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Speaker 6: I'm okay with, and that he has a different vision

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Speaker 6: that will be better for this team overall and especially

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Speaker 6: the offense. So I'm eager to see what he brings

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Speaker 6: to the table, but it's hard to tell at the

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Speaker 6: moment because he has nothing to show for that because

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Speaker 6: he's never been in the head coach position. But everyone

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Speaker 6: supports him, everyone likes him around here, so let's let's

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Speaker 6: kind of it's one of those that, yeah, you're rooting

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Speaker 6: for the guy, but you gotta wait and see what

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Speaker 6: actually happens because there's no history there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple of things that and Ambar, you're absolutely

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Speaker 3: right about that. The thing that, yeah, I mean, he

549
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Speaker 3: he learned a lesson I didn't learn when I worked here.

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Speaker 3: He learned to keep his mouth shut, and I didn't

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Speaker 3: learn that. And that's a problem if you go in

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Speaker 3: there and you're always fighting, fighting, fighting, you know, for things,

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Speaker 3: or trying to fight for things. Sometimes you're going to

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Speaker 3: get in trouble doing that. You're going to be considered

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Speaker 3: as like, Okay, why am I always fighting with this guy?

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Speaker 3: And you know, and that that has to be your

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Speaker 3: hope if you're a Cowboy fan, that you know there

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Speaker 3: was some things that he saw. Now what makes me

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Speaker 3: feel worse about it is the fact that maybe that

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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy and again this is just a thought if

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Speaker 3: he's biting his lip talking about things, did were there

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Speaker 3: things that Mike just completely dismissed. Were their ideas that

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Speaker 3: Schottenheimer had during the season and Mike, and this is

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Speaker 3: not Pylon Mike time. I mean, I'm just saying when

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Speaker 3: somebody says something, when the general manager says, bite his lip,

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking, Okay, there's some ideas that he had. There

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Speaker 3: were times when the Jones family were watching tape with

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Speaker 3: the coaches and they asked a question of why this,

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Speaker 3: why this? And you know and there and really Mike

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Speaker 3: gave an answer. And in other words, Schottenheimer might have

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Speaker 3: been sitting there and thinking, yeah, we could have done

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Speaker 3: this differently. We could have thought about Dutt the dut

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Speaker 3: dut the dut and then you know, but then he

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Speaker 3: bit his tongue, bit his you know lip, whatever you

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Speaker 3: want to you're not going to show his boss exactly exactly.

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Speaker 3: And so but it makes me, It makes me ill

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Speaker 3: if I was working in the front office and one

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Speaker 3: of our coaches had an idea or maybe to make

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Speaker 3: us better, but he was dismissed. And it got to

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Speaker 3: the point where he was dismissed that he couldn't say

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Speaker 3: something that should hurt you in your soul, you know

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Speaker 3: about that. It was not pylon on Mike McCarthy, but

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Speaker 3: was he so just no, no, no, that it made

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Speaker 3: other coaches not want to be that way, you know,

585
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Speaker 3: want to step up and say, like I did in scouting,

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Speaker 3: Hey we need to sign this guy. Brian, sit down

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Speaker 3: and shut up. You know I've heard that, so you know,

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Speaker 3: he learned I didn't. He obviously closed his door, took

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Speaker 3: down his notes, and this is where it circled back

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Speaker 3: for him. This is why a guy like that gets

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Speaker 3: this job, because he remembers all the days of sitting

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Speaker 3: in that meeting and watching Jerry and Steven go, now,

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Speaker 3: why are we doing this? What's tell me why what

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Speaker 3: was the thought here, why are we trying to block what?

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Speaker 3: And then you know, and then then what what shot?

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Speaker 3: He's able to do as he walks into remember the

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Speaker 3: time against Atlanta when we were trying to throw the

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Speaker 3: ball and we couldn't really you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: He's able to go back and remind the Joneses of

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Speaker 3: all the things that he thought they could have changed

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Speaker 3: and got better. And that's why I think he got

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Speaker 3: this job, because him being in the building and knowing

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Speaker 3: and kind of having an understanding of how this all works.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not just talking about how the team work.

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Speaker 3: I'm talking about what was going on in the coaching

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Speaker 3: staff this year. You know, when you keep your mouth shut,

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Speaker 3: you know you're you're, you're you can and you're given

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Speaker 3: a chance to unload, you will do it.

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Speaker 2: But you know I will say this too, it and again,

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Speaker 2: and I want to be clear, just like you said,

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Speaker 2: is it it's not day? Because no, I think Mike

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Speaker 2: McCarthy was a good coach here.

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Speaker 7: He was.

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Speaker 2: He was good, he was, But I do it made

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Speaker 2: me question as I heard that. It made me question

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Speaker 2: the kind of culture that had been created there. Because

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Speaker 2: if you ever have a situation in a work environment

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Speaker 2: where people feel like they can't really be transparent about

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Speaker 2: what they're thinking and feeling. That says to me the

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Speaker 2: culture isn't a true collaborative environment. And you want a

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Speaker 2: true collaborative environment and all that all with Will McClay

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Speaker 2: just talked about, right, So if you got a if

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Speaker 2: you got a coach who is the offensive coordinator that's

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Speaker 2: having to bite his tongue with the head coach. Cause

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Speaker 2: my assumption it wasn't biting his chung with Jerry, because

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Speaker 2: Jerry said if it was fighting his tongue with him,

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Speaker 2: it says to me that maybe the culture wasn't one

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Speaker 2: that valued the opinions everybody on on the staff to

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Speaker 2: feel free to be able to say, hey, man, I

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Speaker 2: disagree with this. I think this is a better way

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Speaker 2: to do it, and people would actually listen and say,

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Speaker 2: you know what, let's get that a try, and then

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Speaker 2: you go back and try to marry that up with

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Speaker 2: the results. And it makes me say, we remember twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three and remember how it was going in the

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Speaker 2: first part of season. If we remember about the conversations

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Speaker 2: that were having across the hall meetings that happened in

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Speaker 2: that bye week and then the changes that were made,

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Speaker 2: and we didn't see that in twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 2: that's we're left to make some assumptions here. But it

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Speaker 2: does make me question what was the culture among the

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Speaker 2: coaches for him not to feel like he could speak

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Speaker 2: up and say this is where I think we should

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Speaker 2: be doing whatever.

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Speaker 6: I share that sentiment with you guys as well, but

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Speaker 6: just and not to justify this, but just to give

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Speaker 6: a different perspective as human nature. You look at the

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Speaker 6: way that Green Bay game ended. There's so much pressure

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Speaker 6: on you. This is your last year on your contract.

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Speaker 6: So with him calling the place, I feel like, maybe,

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Speaker 6: and I'm just saying, maybe you go into this mode

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Speaker 6: where you feel like you have to take everything, like

653
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Speaker 6: you have more control of your destiny, just listening and

654
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 6: worrying about yourself and you think you can figure it

655
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Speaker 6: out by yourself. And maybe that because of the pressure

656
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 6: that that year brought, the last year and all of

657
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 6: that and what you're trying to do, it prevented him.

658
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 6: And maybe he wasn't doing it on purpose, but maybe

659
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 6: that prevented him to allowing other opinions to come in

660
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 6: and just be like, no, I know what I got

661
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 6: to do, I know how to do it, and like

662
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 6: try to do it himself. That's just something that maybe

663
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 6: that year was unique in that way where it maybe

664
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 6: it prevented some of those opinions to come through.

665
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: Most times. I would agree with you on that. That's

666
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: a selfish play on Mike McCarthy's part if he did that,

667
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: because the rest of his coaches were on one year

668
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: deals too, this should have been it's us again.

669
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 6: This is not what happened.

670
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 5: I don't know.

671
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just but yeah, we're just but I'm

672
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's very selfish on Mike McCarthy's part, if,

673
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 3: in fact, was if he takes on all the thing

674
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 3: like I'm going to do it my way because if

675
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 3: I get fired, I'm going out on my own. You know,

676
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 3: that's very selfish way of looking at things, especially when

677
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: you have all your other coaches on you know, it

678
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: should be hey, guys, listen, they really don't believe in

679
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: us right now, Okay, we got to find a way

680
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: to pull this thing together. Ideas ideas ideas. You know,

681
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: that's where it should have been. Hey, we're going to

682
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: survive this together. We're not going to and we're not

683
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 3: going to let it just fall on me. Yeah, ultimately

684
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: he is the head coach and yeah, but everybody else

685
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: in that room was on one year deals too.

686
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 6: And also you made him your coordinator yourself like that.

687
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 6: You know, you brought him into the staff for a reason.

688
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 6: So it's it's I mean, at this point, we just

689
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 6: got to look forward to the future. But it's a

690
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 6: lot of things, and I agree with you it's definitely

691
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 6: selfish in that way if that was the case. But

692
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 6: always remember just a humans. Yeah, we're all humans too,

693
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 6: and things like that come into naturation.

694
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, if our show here relied on us, we're all

695
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: on one year deals, and but I'm going to take

696
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 3: over the show because I don't think Derek's doing a

697
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: good job. And you know that kind of thing that's

698
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 3: selfish on me, you know, because it's really it's all

699
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: of us. We're all we're either going to survive it,

700
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: because at the end of it, when you if you

701
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 3: do survive it, it's even you just kind of bring

702
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 3: everybody together and now you work on other things and

703
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: but if it, if it falls apart, then you can

704
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: look at each other. Guys, we did the best we could,

705
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: it just wasn't good enough, and you walk out of

706
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: here heads high and that that way instead of, you know,

707
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: a coach having to feel like like Derek's talking about,

708
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: with the culture, you never want working with him, working

709
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: with you. Derek, I always felt like I could walk

710
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 3: in and tell you how fed up something was and

711
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: you would listen, But then you would tell me like, hey,

712
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: but you got to think about it this way. But

713
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: at least you gave me the opportunity to maybe make change,

714
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: you know, And that is there a reason Well no,

715
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: I mean, but that's but that you have to be

716
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: able to Always we always laugh when somebody I have

717
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: an open door policy. When you really have an open

718
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: door policy, you get things done because people feel responsible

719
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 3: for how the product looks, you know. And so Mike

720
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: took if he took it on thinking hey, I'm going

721
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: to go out my way, then then shame on him

722
00:33:58,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: for that.

723
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Speaker 2: Well we'll say that. If there's one thing about that

724
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,479
Speaker 2: press conference that made me have some hope that this

725
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: thing can work is when I heard him talk about

726
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: what his specific traits are and what he brings to

727
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 2: the job. He talked about words like he's a collaborative guy.

728
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: He is a guy it's going to be all They

729
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: love that him talking about how good of communicator he is,

730
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: and we've heard that from other people around the building,

731
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Speaker 2: how good of a communicator is. He's a bridge builder,

732
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: he brings people together. Like when you start talking about

733
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 2: all those things have nothing whatsoever to do with x's

734
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: and o's. That's a whole different ballgame, right, But sometimes

735
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: I think what gets lost in looking for a head

736
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: coach are these skills, Because these skills are about leadership

737
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: and leading those men into a game and ultimate leading

738
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Speaker 2: them to victory. It's about more than just the x's

739
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 2: and o's. It has a lot to do with all

740
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,280
Speaker 2: these other things and building that cohesive culture. Everybody feels

741
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: like they're heard, everybody's contributing, and then everybody has a

742
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: part in it. Right when you make sure that everybody's

743
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 2: being heard, now they have a vested interest in really

744
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: seeing it through because they know their boy is a

745
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: part of that as well. And so I love that

746
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: about it. We'll see if the x's and o's work,

747
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 2: will see if he ends up being a great head coach.

748
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody really knows right now, but It

749
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: certainly gave me some hope listening to him during that

750
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Speaker 2: press conference. All Right, we're gonna take our final break.

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Speaker 2: We'll come back talk about some assistants who have been

752
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Speaker 2: about some assistants who have been hired. A new defensive

814
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: coordinator who is a god's been here before guy that

815
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: we're familiar with. Matt Eberflus joins his staff. Give me

816
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: your thoughts on the higher I'll tell you what.

817
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 3: Uh you know, knowing flues for when I was with

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00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 3: you guys with Dallas Cowboys dot Com. When he came in,

819
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 3: we remember him part of the Rob Ryan administration.

820
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: And then my backs coach.

821
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, when Rob left, Uh then Rod Marinelli took over,

822
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: and you know, or was said Monty Kiffin was it

823
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: was Rod Marinelli.

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00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Kiffin was a defense yeah.

826
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Speaker 3: Never, but but yeah, but he was what do you hear?

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Speaker 2: Was? Yeah you should know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, on your lap, my shoulder, I was typing, got beat,

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Speaker 3: got beating Kansas City. I'm typing a report like a

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Speaker 3: right Mani's defense played well. I I was just kept

831
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: typing and I didn't care. Uh but yeah, he uh so,

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00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, he Flus was part of that. He was

833
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: kind of a holdover guy. So he was like initially

834
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 3: an odd front or three four front guy, and then

835
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 3: he came in and he you know, worked with Rod

836
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: and Rod really really really liked him, and so then

837
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: he started to learning some of the four to three principles,

838
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 3: the stuff the Tampa two stuff that was made famous

839
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: by that crew, and and so he but he's kind

840
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 3: of developed that as his repertoire.

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00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: You know, that's he's gonna be a four man front.

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00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: He's gonna be a four man front, and and so Yeah,

843
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 3: and but everywhere he's been, it's been he creates turnovers. Uh,

844
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: his teams have always been really good scoring defense wise.

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00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: You know, there's things like that, to me, is he

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00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: going to gamble as much as say we saw from

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Speaker 3: Zimmer You know.

848
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 2: Probably not as far as blitzing.

849
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: Blitzing and things like that. But he's but he's a

850
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: really really really sound coach and very respected around the league.

851
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 3: Talking to some offensive coordinators that I know, they're like, listen,

852
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 3: hard guy to prepare for, because he's going to put

853
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: up He's going to take things away from you. And

854
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: so you know that's going to be the challenge I

855
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 3: this defense. You know, will see how the draft works.

856
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: I have a feeling you're going to see a lot

857
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: of these players for the twenty twenty five season. Defensive

858
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 3: starters that are going to be young players. I mean

859
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: rookie players, second year players, you know, when it's a

860
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: shame you don't have the overshowns and people like that.

861
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: But they need Carson to play well. They're gonna need

862
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 3: some guys to really really step up. And that's gonna

863
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: be the challenge because sometimes you get a coaching change

864
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: and the defense is a veteran defense. This is going

865
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Speaker 3: to be a new coach with a lot of different personnel.

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Speaker 3: The guys you're going to have Micah Hooker, Wilson Diggs

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Speaker 3: is not going to play probably the early part of

868
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: the season, so you're gonna have to kind of figure out.

869
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: But a lot of young guys are going to have

870
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 3: to play on this defense. So Leah felt, Yes, so

871
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of where are the young guy? Yeah,

872
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: and then plus plus whatever defensive tackles you Drab Mazie,

873
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: whatever defensive tackles or edges or linebackers or safeties or corners,

874
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: I mean, take your pick. You could you could help

875
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: this defense in a lot of different ways. So new

876
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 3: coordinator likely a big, big, big turnover on defense. When

877
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 3: we get to Oxnart, Yeah.

878
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 6: Huge change. But I like his repertoire he has. He's

879
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 6: been top ten in the top ten and takeaways in

880
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 6: the in six of the seven years that he was

881
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 6: as defensive coordinators, so that's a huge thing. And also

882
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 6: one of the other things that he's been known for

883
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 6: is being able to stop the run. And that's something

884
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 6: that the Cowboys, you know, we all consistently talk about

885
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 6: that you need to be able to stop the run.

886
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 3: So that wasn't always a money that wasn't always a

887
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: Rod Marinelli thing that was always run up the field

888
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: and get gashed, you know kind of thing.

889
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 6: But when you talk about him and look about him

890
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 6: and look him up, those are the two things that

891
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 6: pop out, is just the takeaways and defending the runs.

892
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 6: So two huge things that you definitely want to see

893
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 6: in your defense. But like you're you said, Brian, I

894
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 6: think it's gonna be potentially challenging at the beginning trying

895
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 6: to get everyone on the same page because of the

896
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 6: moving targets that you have, all the guys that are

897
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 6: coming back from injury, then acquiring whoever you're gonna get

898
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 6: during free agency, figuring that out, and then the younger

899
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 6: talent trying to get everyone on the same page. And

900
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 6: pace so. But but I have I'm sad to see

901
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 6: simm ergo because I did want to see a second

902
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 6: year from him. But at the same time, I think

903
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 6: this guy seems to be a good hire for the Cowboys.

904
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: The interesting thing is, you guys, it's gonna be the

905
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: third year now that the defense will be having a new,

906
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 2: new system, and that that's always something you keep in eye.

907
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: It's one of the things I think why the Jones

908
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: always talk about continuity, because it is hard when you're made.

909
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: We saw it last year at the beginning of the

910
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: year for the defense. As the season one, they got better,

911
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 2: but at the beginning of the season it was tough.

912
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: And it's tough to get a defense moving in a

913
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: different direction, doing different things when you're asking them to

914
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: different things and figuring out who's capable of doing those

915
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: different things and who's not, and then trying to make

916
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: the defense kind of morph around them in that way.

917
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: So we'll see how that goes. Let's real quick before

918
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 2: we end the show. Nick Sorenson added as a special

919
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: teams coach. Yeah, what do we know about him?

920
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 3: All right? Talk to my gang of seven guys. There's

921
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: several of my guys, general managers, people like that player

922
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: personal guys that have worked with this guy. So it's

923
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 3: kind of it helped me a lot. Earlier you said

924
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 3: about about Brian Schottenheimer being a people person something he

925
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: takes a lot of pride in something a trade. He

926
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: talks about his ability to connect with people. When I

927
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: asked people about Nick Sorenson, they you know, he was

928
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: a first year coordinator defensive coordinator with the forty nine ers.

929
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: It didn't go well. They struggled with health that the

930
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: team just you know, the offense they didn't it just

931
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 3: was not good enough. And he he he took the

932
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 3: he felt he fell on the sword for that one.

933
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: For their you know, somebody had to go and they

934
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: moved on. But they didn't want him to leave the organization.

935
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: They were willing to kind of put him in another

936
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 3: spot and keep him around. They felt that much. They

937
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: liked him that much. But everybody that I talked to

938
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: about him was talking about what a what a good

939
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 3: coach he really is. And you got to be able

940
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 3: to you got to be able to connect. And that

941
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: was one of the things that my guys were telling me, goes,

942
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 3: this guy will come into a room and he goes.

943
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: The front office will love him, the players will love

944
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 3: him because his ability to interact and connect with people.

945
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: And as a special teams coach, you have to be able.

946
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: You're coaching the whole team. You know, you're not just

947
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: coaching a position. You're coaching the field goal block, the

948
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 3: field goal team, the punt, the punt return, the kickoff return,

949
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: the kick you're coaching at all. So you have to

950
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: interact with all fifty three players. So for for this

951
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: guy to come in and I heard nothing but positive

952
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: things about him, and but that the negative things were that, like,

953
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: hey might have been a little bit over his head

954
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: on the defensive.

955
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: And that was his first time, and that's his first

956
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: special teams coordinator exactly.

957
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: They took a chance that maybe this guy could be it.

958
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: He but everything about him as a coach, as a

959
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: person and as a person that connects with other people.

960
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: And I think that's what Brian Schottenheimer's trying to do.

961
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: I think he's going to try and build a staff

962
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: of guys or gals that connect with the team and

963
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: that they can have that as they go through these things.

964
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 3: So very very positive about him in that regard, positive

965
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: him about a coach and and but the negative was

966
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 3: probably over his head when it came to the defensive

967
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 3: coordinator stuff.

968
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 2: He won't be doing here.

969
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: He won't be doing here.

970
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 2: All right, that's a wrap. We will be back next week.

971
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: I think maybe we'll be at a point where we

972
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: would be done with all the breaking news and we

973
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,479
Speaker 2: might actually be able.

974
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 3: To I might not be doing with you.

975
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're not with us. You've got super Bowl.

976
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: I'm at the super Bowl.

977
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: Least you know what, we might actually call you up,

978
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: see if you can give us a little ring, and

979
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: maybe we'll pull you in for a fele minutes and

980
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 2: I'll be happy what's going on out there. Hopefully you'll

981
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: you won't get a y'all won't get too crazy. I

982
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: know y'all's crew, y'all get a little wild out there.

983
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: But I know the police in that city.

984
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: Good. That's perfect. That's a good thing. That's a good thing.

985
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: Let me know. The wife has the barcards. You can

986
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 2: always come help you.

987
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 3: I appreciate that.

988
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna we appreciate you, guys. Jones. We'll

989
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: be back next week for Amber Garcia. Brian brought us

990
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 2: some Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break live on

991
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992
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