1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: So a couple weeks ago for our classic episode, we 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: looked into our older topic of prohibition conspiracies. And it's 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: funny because looking back at our past selves, we can 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: see when we were on trends. I can definitely see 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: where the younger Ben was going. Let me, let me 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: use some of this stuff from here to also connect 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: to this, because we didn't have time to do that thing. Uh. 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: But now, man, we talked about illegal drugs at length, 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: but we didn't talk about legal drugs until today's classic episode. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: That's right, the good old pharmaceutical industry. Well, what are 11 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 1: they getting up to? How do they make those dollars? Um? 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: There's just so many different kinds of drugs and classes 13 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: of drugs that exist out there that you can get 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 1: from your doctor. And that's the only way you can 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: get them, a little note from your doctor and a 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: little pad of paper. Yeah, well, let's talk about those 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: a minute. You don't do you remember when marijuana was 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: first being decriminalized or medical marijuana was allowed, I should say, 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: in different states, and all the sudden hundreds of thousands 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: and then millions of people discovered their cataracts in the 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: back pain o glaucoma was just a national epidemic a glaucoma. 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: That's the one. Here we go legal drugs in America, 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: from UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is 24 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 25 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, 26 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show you. My name is Matt, 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: I met, my name is Ben. I'd like to introduce 28 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: you to our super producer Noel Brown, who is on 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: the ones and two's with us today and that makes 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. Yes, absolutely, 31 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: and today we are talking about a subject that will 32 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: probably interest a lot of you. Now we want to 33 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: go ahead and say at the top that this this 34 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: topic deals with a lot of stuff that is US centric. Yes, 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: but we think you'll find there's a larger trend across 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 1: the globe. So even if you don't live in the 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: United States, we hope that you find this as fascinating 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: and possibly as frightening as we do. So I guess 39 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: let's just start out with some statistics. Well, yeah, let's 40 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: start out with a statement. All right, we're pretty sure 41 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: that the US overall has a pretty serious drug problem, right, Yeah, 42 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: it's not to the point where the three of us 43 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: and all of you out there listeners could collectively hold 44 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 1: an intervention for the United States. Uh so don't don't 45 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: write those letters for that reality show. Yeah, but it's true. 46 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: The US has a pretty serious drug problem. And this 47 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: drug problem is not crack. It's not cocaine, it's not marijuana, 48 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: it's not heroin, and well technically it's not alcohol. So 49 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: what is it. It's prescription drugs or medicine, right, Yeah, 50 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: And we can't air quote hard enough on that one. 51 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 1: Checked this out, ladies and gentlemen. The United States has 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: five percent of the world's population but consumes around seventy 53 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: five percent of prescription drugs. Yes, in two thousand and ten, 54 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: enough pain killers were prescribed to medicate every American adult 55 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: every four hours for one month. Fifty two million people 56 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: in the United States over twelve years old have used 57 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: prescription drugs, not as medicine, but recreationally for funzies sometime 58 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: in their life. That's right. Every day in the States, 59 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: about two thousand five teens abused pain killers for the 60 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: first time, So that's the first time they've ever gone. 61 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: You know, I hear that this pain Killer Act is 62 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: really fun. Man. It's not just for pain, it's for 63 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: fun or and this is something we'll talk about later. Uh, 64 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: if you are a teenager, you may find yourself in 65 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: a position where you and your buddies want to drink booze, 66 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: but it's much more difficult to buy alcohol. And you say, oh, well, 67 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: we'll find some painkillers or some tranquilizers. And you know 68 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: also that maybe some illegal drug like marijuana or something. 69 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: But it leads us to this, a grand total of 70 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: an estimated eight point seven six million prescription drug abusers 71 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: in the United States. And we're not talking about people 72 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 1: who have to be on prescription drugs for any reason 73 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 1: and take them regularly. We're specifically talking about people who 74 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: use them in a way that's not prescribed by a doctor. 75 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: Now we're looking again, mostly at pain killers, we're looking 76 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: at tranquilizers, and then a little less we're looking at stimulants. 77 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: And here's an interesting thing. I'm sure that some of 78 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: you out there, uh had your ears perk up when 79 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: we said eight point seven six million abusers, because the 80 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 1: population of the United States and the hundreds of millions 81 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: makes that seem like as cold as it may sound, 82 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: A relatively small number. So consider this, fatal overdose rates 83 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: have more than tripled since nineteen and it's as we 84 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: record this. That's right, And the CDC officially declared that 85 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: prescription drug abuse is an epidemic in the United States. 86 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: So here's here's a question that I think a lot 87 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: of people I want to ask, but maybe they don't 88 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: get around to it because they don't want to feel 89 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: like they're asking a stupid question. But it's actually it's 90 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: a great question. Why are some drugs legal and other 91 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: drugs are illegal? That is a great question and one 92 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: that we're going to attempt to answer here. But well, 93 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: would probably and will I'm gonna say, absolutely require you 94 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: to do some more research on your own and even 95 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: talking to people around you about this object because it's dense, 96 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: and it's also it's very gray. Yeah, gray area, that's true. Uh, Matt. 97 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: I just want to say that we have done a 98 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: lot of stuff on h different types of drugs. Right. 99 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 1: We did a little bit on the crack cocaine epidemic 100 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: and whether the US government was involved in helping um 101 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: helping terrorist groups in South America fund their activities via 102 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: the drug trade. We looked at marijuana conspiracy theories, and 103 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: we looked at most recently alcohol prohibition and pharmaceutical companies. 104 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: We've looked at and the profits that are involved there, 105 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: and then lobbying and how associated with politics. We've touched 106 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: on a lot of this stuff, but this is the 107 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 1: first time we're compiling it in an audio episode. Yeah, 108 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: and this is the first time that we're really talking 109 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: about this. This strange, uh, this strange position that prescription 110 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: drugs hold in the United States. Now, in the US, 111 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: we have something called the Controlled Substance Act, and this 112 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: list drugs in terms of a schedule. Uh, don't let 113 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: the weird nomenclature fool you. A schedule just means several 114 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: different lists, several different categories. It's not like M, D, 115 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: M T or anything, right, So, how do we break 116 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: down this thing? There are five categories. Schedule one is 117 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: the most dangerous, and how do they define Schedule one? 118 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: For a drug or medicine to be considered Schedule one, 119 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: it has to meet some criteria and here are four 120 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: of the main things. It has to have a high 121 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: potential for abuse. It has to have no currently accepted 122 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,239 Speaker 1: medical use, a lack of safety for use of the drug. 123 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: And also no prescriptions can be written for this drug 124 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: by a doctor, right, And some of these are a 125 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: little bit trick. There's a debate over what should and 126 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: shouldn't be legal. They continues today. Uh you know, they 127 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: controlled substance SACKED, for example, exempts tobacco and booze, despite 128 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: the fact that these have proven uh dangerous effects. Critics 129 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: believe that a lot of the decisions regarding some of 130 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: these drugs are somewhats politically motivated, or at least motivated. Yes, Oh, Matt, 131 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: I cooked up word recently that I thought you might 132 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: enjoy while we were working on the prohibition video series 133 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: that just came out past few weeks. What do you 134 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: call someone who not only doesn't drink, but doesn't believe 135 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: anybody else should be allowed to drink either? Oh? Um? 136 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: A teetotal all close, a teetotalitariat. Yeah right, I'm a 137 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: little happy with that one. I was saving it for this. Wow. No, 138 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: what what do you think? No? What do you think? Teetotalitarian? 139 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: It's funny. Yeah, that's all right, all right, Well I've 140 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: got the no vote, ladies. We have just coined a phrase. 141 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: But yes, politically motivated financially motivated, not just ideologically motivated. 142 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: There are several conspiracies, several conspiracy theories, some with more 143 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: plausibility than others. Right, like, here we go, Like marijuana 144 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: Schedule one, right, despite the fact that studies prove it 145 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: does not have the same high potential for abuse. Right. Yeah. 146 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: The the d e AS interpretation of the c s A, 147 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: the Control Substances Act, states that a drug doesn't necessarily 148 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: have to have the same high potential for abuse like heroin, 149 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: which is another Schedule one drug, for it to merit 150 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: its placement inside Schedule one. And that is that's interesting, right, 151 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: There's got to be a reason behind that. So if 152 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: you dig a little deeper, we found this quote. Should 153 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: we just go through something? Um do a voice? Oh gosh, okay, 154 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: all right, here we go. When it comes to a 155 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: drug that is currently scheduled as a Schedule one, if 156 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: it is undisputed that such drug has no currently accepted 157 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: medical use for treatment in the US and a lack 158 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, it is 159 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: further undisputed that the drug has at least some potential 160 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: for abuse sufficient to warrant control. Under the c s A, 161 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: the drug must remain in Schedule one. In such circumstances, 162 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: placement of the drug and schedules two through five would 163 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 1: conflict with the c s A, since such a drug 164 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: would not meet the criterion of a currently accepted medical 165 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: use and treatment in the US. So that's from the 166 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 1: d e A and their denial of a petition to 167 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: reschedule marijuana. And as you hear in that quotation, Schedules 168 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: two through five contain drugs that are con sider to 169 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: have some sort of benefit when prescribed, but they also 170 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: have either a potential for rebuse so they can be addictive. 171 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: There are a couple other things in there. There may 172 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: be proven side effects over some certain amount of time 173 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: that that could later come to bear. We we know 174 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: that the other conspiracies just a laundry list them real 175 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: quick about why marijuana stays at Schedule one. Uh, there's 176 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: there's the old story of hemp right and uh, the 177 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: textile manufacturing. Textile manufacturing, absolutely, and it is true if 178 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: you haven't checked out our marijuana podcast with the audio 179 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: and the video, we do have some interesting stuff in 180 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: there about the original campaign to make marijuana illegal in 181 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: the United States. Because it wasn't for a very long time. 182 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: And you know, for my money, usually don't talk about 183 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: our opinions here, Ben, but for my money, the amount 184 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: of money that you make from having it illegal is 185 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: just too much. It's interesting when we talk about that. 186 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: One of our questions with prohibition was is prohibition working? 187 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: Is the war on drugs working? But it depends on 188 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: your definition of the players and their goals. The money 189 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: just goes to different places. If if these drugs were legal, 190 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: say as alcohol and tobacco are, then the drug the money, 191 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: the drug money goes I mean it goes to companies 192 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: and then it also is gained through taxes on those things. Yeah, arguably, 193 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: we'll see what We'll see how this stuff shakes out 194 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: in some of the states that have, um to one 195 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: degree or another, decriminalized you completely legalized marijuana. We know 196 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: that Portugal, which had a wildly different drug policy in 197 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: the past few years, has experienced what are being portrayed 198 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: as some positive benefits. But again, you know, these kind 199 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: of things may have ripple effects that we don't see 200 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: for ten years. Sure, just just to finish that point, then, 201 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: I just want to say, right now, the money from 202 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: having something like marijuana illegal or these other drugs illegal. 203 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 1: The money goes to police departments, and it goes to 204 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: black markets, and in my that's what I believe. It 205 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: goes to larger than a larger scale than just police departments, though, 206 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: it goes to law enforcement in general, to the legal system. 207 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: We we've talked about this. Yeah, I'm just you know, 208 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: just saying, just saying, the money goes in places where 209 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:38,959 Speaker 1: maybe some people want it to go right now, right, 210 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: And we we've seen some other we've seen some other 211 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: conspiracies about you know, crack and cocaine. Um. That's a 212 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: great example of how the drug schedules can can seem 213 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: contradictory because while cracking cocaine are derived from the same substance, 214 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: we know that for a long time there has been 215 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: a glaring discrepancy in sentencing laws for cocaine versus crack cocaine, 216 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: possibly because of which segments of the population use each drug. Right. 217 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: And then there's the returning Uh, there's the returning idea 218 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: that we hear fairly often about the c i A 219 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 1: purposely putting crack cocaine on the American market in hopes 220 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: of economically destabilizing or damaging the black and Latino population 221 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: of certain urban areas, particularly California. But search yes, search 222 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: Gary Web anyway, I don't want to derail is further 223 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 1: than I already here. So here's here's how drugs become legit. 224 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Here's the difference between the method and don't mean you'd 225 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: buy from uh a cameo character and breaking bad versus 226 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: the quote unquote prescription diet pill or focus drugs that 227 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: you would get from a doctor. Before gaining the approval 228 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: of the Food and Drug Administration the FDA, which is 229 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: our head hancho for this kind of stuff in the States, 230 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: a new substance or drug has to be put through 231 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: extensive and expensive testing. Now, if it passes through these tests, 232 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: this test with flying colors, it doesn't mean that this 233 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: drug safe, of course, it just means that it's made. 234 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: It's meant the requirements that the FDA has set out right, 235 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: and it also will typically be only approved for one 236 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: or two very specific uses. UH. Funny story which you 237 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: probably heard before, ladies and gentlemen, Viagra did not start 238 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: out as an erectile dysfunction drug. It was heart related. 239 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: I believe it was a side effect. It was Can 240 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: you imagine being in that being in that research experiment, 241 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: especially if you're on the end that's taking a little 242 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: bit of the higher dosage levels of whatever drug. Yeah, 243 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: I always I don't. I don't know, man, this isn't 244 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: really doing what I thought it was gonna do. And 245 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: there's a there's some other things like, oh, there's an 246 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: anti smoking drug that will apparently get you off smoking, 247 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: but we'll give you incredibly strange and vivid dreams. Yeah, 248 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: is that the one that makes you feel sick when 249 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: you want to take a smoke or if you get 250 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: any tobacco in your lungs? Maybe I don't know, forget 251 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: exactly which one. That sounds crazy, but okay, so there's 252 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: still going to be some side effects. Pharmaceutical companies will 253 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: only be allowed to sell a drug for a specific reason. 254 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: But despite these legal restrictions, there is no way around it. 255 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: Pharmaceutical companies make a lot of money. They make so 256 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: much money, they make more money than hmm, I don't. 257 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: I don't know what a good metric for comparison would be. Well, 258 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: you just have to. If you have seen Breaking Bad, 259 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: just imagine the amount of money that Walter White accrued 260 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: over the amount of time, and then imagine that that's 261 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: a massive worldwide corporation. Right. Yeah. So here here are 262 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: a couple of things that if you live outside the 263 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 1: United States, this might be weird to you. Matt, can 264 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 1: you can you describe this one? Okay? So, first of all, 265 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: the top twelve pharmaceutical companies in the world half our 266 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: US based of those so six, and these pharmaceutical let's 267 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: say conglomerates, they rake in billions and the US is 268 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: their biggest market by a large margin. Aside from New Zealand. 269 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: The US is the only country to allow prescription drug 270 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: commercials on television. Wait what yeah, so you can I 271 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: mean think think about that that we have such restricts 272 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,360 Speaker 1: for alcohol commercials, sure where you can't want you can't 273 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: see someone drinking a beer or any liquor. And people 274 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: don't smoke cigarettes on television, even in shows like Constantine, 275 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: which I hope doesn't get canceled. Really, I watched one episode. Yeah, 276 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: I have to say, I'm trying to feel my way 277 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: through it. Oh, you're gonna give it a chance, You're 278 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: too kind. I only like it because I'm a huge 279 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: fan of the graphic novels. Same here, dude, I've watched that. 280 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: I own that movie when it came out, that guy. 281 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 1: But the guy is always smoking, right, but even on 282 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 1: television with cigarettes which are legal and you don't need 283 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: a prescription, you just have to be old enough to 284 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: buy them. Even then, he's always about to smoke. He 285 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: was just just finishing or you see a little bit 286 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: of the smoke rising. It's it's a weird thing, but 287 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: it's got to be strange to come from a different 288 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: country and see the weirdest, vaguest commercials ever. Yeah, and 289 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: then at the end the side effects that have to 290 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: be by law listed man. And you know, we kind 291 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: of lampoon that a little bit when we I mean, 292 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: when Illumination Global and Limited does their commercials with us, 293 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: oh for prohibit all. Yeah, for well, for all these 294 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: commercials we have the side effects and or a little 295 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: at the end. I mean that's essentially what it stemmed 296 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: from those kinds of ads. Yeah, And you can see 297 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: this lampooned in other things American comedy and so forth. 298 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: But at the heart of it, it's kind of weird 299 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: to see just like a lady running through a field 300 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: and then a kid throwing a brightly lit ball to 301 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: another kid, and then an old guy petting a dog, 302 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: and then this list of side effects, and you you 303 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: don't know what the drug actually does. Well, there will 304 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: be a vague description of you know, do you have 305 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: problems with urinating while you sleep or something like that, 306 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: and or you know, dry mouth? Do you have constant 307 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: dry mouth all the time? Are you afraid of your feet? Yeah, 308 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. And and those diseases might 309 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: sound a little bit made up, but we'll get to that. 310 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: Hold on. So, these companies have been repeatedly accused of 311 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: doing things like bribing government officials via things like lobbying 312 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: that are completely legal, giving gifts or trips or even 313 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: cold hard cash to different senators, different people in in 314 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: positions in the government, and that's totally illegal. The other 315 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: stuff is kind of a gray area, and the lobbying 316 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: is well, the lobbying is legal, and we've talked about that. 317 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: Check it out. Um. They've also been accused of bribing 318 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: doctors in the same way. So, and and I've actually 319 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: seen this a lot. If you go to a doctor's office, 320 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: you've probably seen it too. There will be specific prescriptions 321 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: and like samples set up in places, and the doctor 322 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,479 Speaker 1: maybe will recommend a certain thing, a certain drug to you, 323 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: even if there are if you're aware of multiple things 324 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: that you could be taking, or prescriptions, there's one that 325 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: your doctor tells you you should use, and you can 326 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: request that eric one. That's true, but some doctors will 327 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: say no, the only thing they can fix your chronic 328 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: fear of your feet is uh, specifical or whatever the insistence. 329 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: Even things like vitamins, there are prescription vitamins that are 330 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: made by these manufacturing these drug companies. Now, also, to 331 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: be fair, we know that this this kind of business 332 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: is legal as well. It's it's arguably unethical, but it's 333 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: also part of a business that they've been doing. They're 334 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: not breaking the law when they do this necessarily. But 335 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: despite these numerous fines, because they do get fined for 336 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: ethic violations, big pharma soldiers on and well, yeah, because 337 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: they get find a certain amount of money and you 338 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: can just facture that into your cost of doing business. Right, yeah, 339 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: So what is what is for instance, a thirty million 340 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: dollar fine to a company that is making hundreds of 341 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: millions off of that one slightly unethical action, right, Yeah, 342 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: it's nothing. And the d o J, the Department of 343 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: Justice is has repeatedly it seemed like it was going 344 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: to come down hard on some of these companies, and 345 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: they have received fines, but those are just proven cases 346 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: against pharmaceutical companies. So, Matt, what about the crazy stuff. Well, 347 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: some people would pose it that drug companies maybe aren't 348 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: necessarily just manufacturing the cure for a for a disease, 349 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: but they're also manufacturing a problem or disease itself. Ah. 350 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: And this goes back to some very old theories, the 351 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: idea that a cure for cancer or that a cure 352 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: for HIV exist, but that due to a need or 353 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: desire for consistent revenue, instead of introducing that cure, there 354 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: are treatments introduced. That's right, and I hate to keep 355 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: harping on this, but it goes back to the conspiracies 356 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: that a lot of the law enforcement budgeting and and 357 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: money that goes into that comes from keeping a controlled 358 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: opposition that is always there that they need to fight. Um, 359 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: these are music conspiracies about the prohibition of marijuana and 360 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: other drugs. So you're comparing them this comparing the structure exactly, 361 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: because if you don't have something out there that you 362 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: have to fight, that you have to spend money to fight, 363 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: then you know, how are you going to get that 364 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: revenue or at least increased revenue over time. I see 365 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,719 Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I think that often when we 366 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: hear these kinds of ideas. One of one of the 367 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: things is a pet peeve of mine, is when you 368 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,439 Speaker 1: hear this idea of a cure for cancer. Cancer is 369 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: such an umbrella term for so many very different things, 370 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: and we're still finding out what exactly it is. Right. Yeah, Well, 371 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: we did our series on immortality and we found that 372 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: the closest thing there is to a living, immortal human 373 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: being is the cancer cells of Henrietta Lacks. Yes, the 374 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: Helis cells. And several of our other partners on the 375 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: House of Works channels have done some episodes on this 376 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: stuff to blow your mind. Stuff you should know. But 377 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: with that being said, it is conceivable the motivation is 378 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: there in theory to say, uh, we're not going to 379 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: give you a pill that will fix this chronic condition 380 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: or an injection that will fix this. What we will 381 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: give you, however, there's a prescription for a series of 382 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: injections and a pill you can take every day. Yep, 383 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: five bucks a pill at thirty bucks a pill two 384 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: seven dollars per pill. And this goes in my mind 385 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: from everything from the idea that there's halitosis or you know, 386 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: that's a something that's talked about a lot of sure platosis, 387 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: this idea of bad breath, but are just things that 388 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: decompose in your mouth and then you get bad breath 389 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: and that's what happens. It's not a thing that you 390 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: can really combat in that way. It's not a thing 391 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: you take a drug for at least most of the time. Uh. 392 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: That then you look at things like what if the 393 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: side effects of the drug that you're already prescribed to 394 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: then need a prescription and then it begins to stack 395 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: on each each one has a side effect that you 396 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: have to take. And you know, my grandfather when he 397 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: was around, he took so many prescription pills and he 398 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: went through one time and told me, well, I take 399 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: this one specifically from my heart, and then this one 400 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: is to combat this because of my heart special or something. Yeah, 401 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: And it's insane how it stacks up that way. Yeah, 402 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: and it's a it's not necessarily Look, guys, the best 403 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: way to say this is not that we are accusing 404 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: Eli Lily or fights or anybody like that of purposefully 405 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: doing stuff like this, because again we know that when 406 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: the f A approves to drug, get approves it for 407 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 1: very specific things. Uh. Both the government and the corporations 408 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: do their best to figure out if they're going to 409 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: be side effects. But if you get to a point 410 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: where you're saving somebody's life, right, Uh, and the way 411 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: that you're saving their life endangers their life in some 412 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: other way, right, Like there are drugs that are good 413 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: for some conditions, but hell on your kidneys, right, and 414 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: then you have to take something for that. Uh. We're 415 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: not saying that people are purposely over medicating others, but 416 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: we are saying that the numbers show that people are 417 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 1: over medicated. Yeah. Absolutely, And those aren't people that are 418 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: abusing the drugs. Those are the people that need some 419 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: type of medication, like the bgs, they're just staying alive. Yes, 420 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: that's true. Thank you, Ben. Put a little light in there. Yeah, 421 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: my my head goes to dark places when I think 422 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 1: about this stuff. Um, and again I I want to 423 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: put a copy out in there too. It sounds like 424 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,239 Speaker 1: I don't know, really gung hope for this when I'm 425 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: hearing myself talk on this podcast. But um, there's you know, 426 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: there's a lot of research to be done here. There's 427 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: a lot more information that we're not even talking about. 428 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: And I don't want you to get from what I'm 429 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: saying a view that we're saying any of those things 430 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: that we're attacking these people right on, because to me, 431 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: you even have to look at the f d A, 432 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: and you have to look at revolving door policies, and 433 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: you have to look at there's a lot of stuff 434 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: to cover in there, and we have those on our videos. 435 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: But not to paraphrase inception, we have to go darker. 436 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: So let's talk about the other so far unproven case 437 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: against many different pharmaceutical companies, and that is the idea 438 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: of manufacturing disease or disease mongering. Now go with me 439 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: on this for a little bit of an anecdote. Okay, 440 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: all right, all right, So listeners, I want you to 441 00:27:54,080 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: imagine yourself as the vice president or an executive at 442 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: a pharmaceutical company, and global health is increasing. Several of 443 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 1: the charitable initiatives that your company has taken in the 444 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: developing world are doing gangbusters. People are living longer, people 445 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: are healthier, people have less disease. Ah, but wait, technically, 446 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: medicine is a business that you could cure yourself out of, 447 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: right to the poorhouse and right to the streets. So 448 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: in an ideal world, that's what would happen. Right. So 449 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: the boardroom gets together and says, we're running out of 450 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: diseases or we're running out of uses for drugs that 451 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: we have already sunk so much money in. And now 452 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: this part is truladies and gentlemen, We, if we are 453 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: the average pharmaceutical company, spend more money on marketing than 454 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: we do on research and development, which is strange, but 455 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: if you consider the sunk costs involved with research, you 456 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: want something to be useful, right, So this goes too. 457 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: This is all hypothetical and it's not a specific company 458 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: in mind, but this goes to the accusation that pharmaceutical 459 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: companies have gone from treating disease to creating it. And 460 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: even if it's only a in your mind, So, what 461 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: are some diseases that people might create? Alright, So let's 462 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: look at one S E R M deficiency. What is that? 463 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, let's talk about it. So let's say 464 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: there's a pill that you could take to prevent post 465 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: menopausal osteoporosis. Okay, and let's say that this pill packs 466 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: the magic three. Now, this is something that we got 467 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: from AlterNet and uh, the magic three according to that 468 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: article for drug sales at least our fear, forever and faith. Okay. 469 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: So this is interesting because again this comes from a 470 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: sales perspective, not a money perspective. Uh, I fear what 471 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: will happened to me if I stopped taking this drug. 472 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: I must take it forever to make sure that that 473 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: fear is never realized. I have faith that this is working, 474 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: even if I don't see any discernible improvement. Just the 475 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: thing I fear happening is not happening, because yeah, in 476 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: this case, you are taking a pill to prevent popausal osteoporosis. Right. 477 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 1: So the thing the Alternate is accusing pharmaceutical companies of 478 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: manufacturing is something called s E r M deficiency or 479 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: select of estrogen receptor modulator deficiency. Now I want to 480 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: be very cautious with this, Matt, You're not a doctor. 481 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. Nol is not a doctor. Are 482 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: you a doctor? Are you a doctor? Okay? Definitely not 483 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: a doctor. Agents Scully, Despite the rumors is not a doctrine, sorry, Fox. 484 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: But the point we're making is that we are not 485 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: in any way trying to cast dispersion on you if 486 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: you feel like you have one of those conditions, right, 487 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: But we are saying that this is just an example, well, 488 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: something that people look at as a a manufactured disease. 489 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: And here's something that I wanted to ask you about, Matt, 490 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: because if we skip down this list, you can read 491 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: the whole article and see some of the stuff they have, 492 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: But skip down this list, we'll see one of these 493 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: is adult autism, a d h D, and social interaction difficulties. Now, 494 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: this is something that we know has uh that we 495 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: know has become tremendously controversial, and you and I have 496 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: received a lot of email and a lot of Facebook 497 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: messages over the years about the nature of this stuff, right, Yeah. Well, 498 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: and I also have a little personal experience. My I 499 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: think I've said this before. My wife is a school 500 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: psychologist and works with a lot of children who are 501 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: prescribed drugs for a d h D and people with 502 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: autism as well. And there are a whole host of 503 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: drugs that these kids and adults are on, and uh, 504 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. All this stuff throws up a lot 505 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: of red flags for me. But I've also heard, specifically 506 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: from my wife, that there are massive benefits from these 507 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: drugs that they're taking. So is this a case of 508 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 1: is this the case of trying to make the best 509 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: out of something that we don't completely understand? In my mind, 510 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: it's there's no doubt that these drugs work for some people, 511 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: but that maybe not across the board. For me. There's 512 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: also no doubt that, and I think a lot of 513 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: doctors will back me up on this, that children especially 514 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: are being overprescribed a lot of these drugs because they're 515 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: being diagnosed earlier and earlier, and perhaps that diagnosis is 516 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: a bit premature. You know. I noticed that you and 517 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: I are of the generation where psychoactive drugs began being 518 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: prescribed to children and younger and younger ages, you know, 519 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: And these were heavy hitting things like zoloft. Riddling was 520 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: huge when I was coming, Riddling was huge. A little 521 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: was huge. I don't know what the statute of limitations 522 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: are on this kind of thing, but one time when 523 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: I was when I was just a wee young type, 524 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 1: someone tried to sell me riddling on the school bus nice, 525 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: I I didn't. I didn't buy it. I was saving 526 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 1: so dumb. I was saving money for g I Joe. Yeah, 527 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: but I felt super cool and I felt like I 528 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: had my wits about me enough that I knew not 529 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: to say I can't buy drugs because I'm saving up 530 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: for a G I Joe said no. I just said no, 531 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: and like coolly looked out the window. I wish I 532 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: had shades. Anyhow, uh we Anyhow, regarding regarding this idea 533 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: that there would be aggressive, overly aggressive prescribing that there 534 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: were be UM manufactured diseases, I love that you pointed 535 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: out holatosis because that is one of the big ones. UM. 536 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: The idea of listering is often voiced upon things. And 537 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,440 Speaker 1: if anybody has not seen again UM any of our 538 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: stuff about Edward Burnet's he was the king of this 539 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:28,240 Speaker 1: kind of inventing the market, right and at the current time, 540 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: that's where this stands. This is a multibillion dollar industry. 541 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: Uh the United States is one of the biggest markets. 542 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: We haven't even touched upon the huge battle that's going 543 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: on between pharmaceutical companies and drug manufacturers in the developing 544 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,240 Speaker 1: world who want to be able to manufacture generic versions 545 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 1: of drugs like retroviral stuff for HIV um because you know, frankly, 546 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: quite a few of the people with these diseases cannot 547 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: afford the fees and will never be able to afford 548 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: the fees. And it's so I mean, that's a whole 549 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: another debate just about the humanity where and and you know, 550 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: that's a question we have to ask ourselves, where is 551 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: that line between a company that needs to make profits 552 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: off of their thing and then saving human beings from 553 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: a problem, from a serious issue that you do have 554 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: a way to save them. And it also goes into 555 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: disease targeting. You know, are there certain diseases that will 556 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,880 Speaker 1: never receive R and D because either not enough people 557 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 1: have it, it's too rare, or not the right sort 558 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: of drug buying demographic has it. And and we you know, 559 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: we see a lot of stuff that that comes and 560 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: goes their medical fads, their medical scares. There are serious 561 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,320 Speaker 1: medical conditions that are often widely ignored for a long time, 562 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: right and we you and I have talked before off 563 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: air about whether there is a rise in mental illness 564 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: in the United States due to the environment in which 565 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: people live, right or whether there are just more sophisticated 566 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,399 Speaker 1: diagnostic tools, right, Yeah, and currently that's another great area 567 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: where it's kind of both at least if you take 568 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: a hard look at it. Yeah, yeah, it's weird. It's 569 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: the there's the same thing with the internet, right. There 570 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: are no more skeletons, there are no more closets. It's 571 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: just easier to see inside. Yeah, we didn't even talk 572 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: about that creepy salt Lake City. I know it's totally 573 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: a really, but just the last thing. This Salt Lake 574 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: City daycare center or is it. It's very bright and green. 575 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: It looks nice and happy, but nobody seems to be 576 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: going in and out. Ben, Yeah, and shout out to 577 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: uh of course the conspiracy subreddit there and reddit for 578 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 1: Hippinus to this. We're gonna look into it and maybe 579 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,319 Speaker 1: get back to you on it. That's just a little 580 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: bit of a teaser. I just have to say that 581 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 1: we are moving away from this place. We're leaving mykhead. 582 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 1: This is the last podcast you're gonna hear that was 583 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,879 Speaker 1: recorded in this space, so really, you know what, Let's 584 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: just take in the ambiance sounds okay, just for let's 585 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: give it five seconds spin you're ready. That's the last 586 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,479 Speaker 1: time you're gonna hear that. That's the last time. It's okay, Really, 587 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: you don't have to Please don't cry. Yeah, agents Scully, 588 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: come on your skeleton. It looks weird, well fake cryme aside. 589 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: We hope you guys enjoyed the show. We're looking to 590 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: get some new T shirt designs out at our website. 591 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know dot spreadshirt, dot com, 592 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: dot biz, which is still hilarious y um. And shout 593 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: out to the people who wrote to us and said, 594 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 1: you guys had a chance to pick a shorter name. 595 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: We really didn't you know it was it was. It 596 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: was given to us. But we hope the We hope 597 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: the shirts make up for it, because we're working on 598 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: them ourselves, all right. And the last thing, if you 599 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 1: want to research more of this stuff, type in some 600 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: keywords like, uh, I think it's drugging. The American male 601 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: is a good thing. There are a lot there's a 602 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: lot of great research that's being done in this field 603 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: right now. Good disease monger, Yeah, disease monger. The that 604 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: alternate article is pretty great because that'll send you down 605 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: a nice little rabbit hole. Just there's a ton of 606 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: information about this, and we just encourage you to do 607 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: your own research because that's the only way you're really 608 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 1: gonna learn, and more importantly, to write to us and 609 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: tell us what you think, tell us what you find right. 610 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: Is uh, Is it, in your opinion true that pharmaceutical 611 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 1: companies are um it's one degree or another manufacturing diseases? 612 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: And if so, which ones? 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