1 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome savor prediction of iHeartRadio. I'm Annie Reese. 2 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: And I'm Lord Vocal bamb and today we have a 3 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: classic episode for you about What's to shear sauce. 4 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: Oh no, I still don't know how to pronounce it, 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: and I still always think of Scooby Doo. It's the 6 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 1: first thing I think of. 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: It's one of the first things I think of now too. 8 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: So there you go. 9 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: That's uh, you're welcome. Yeah, sure, okay. 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 2: So this episode originally aired in June of twenty eighteen. 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 2: It's a really fun one. 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: I had forgotten. 13 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: It goes a lot of places, It runs around a lot, 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: you know, just like the Scooby Gang. 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I will say I don't know why necessarily, 16 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: but I have been using more Worcester sauce. You did 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: a good job in things like spaghetti sauce. I've been 18 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: using it just to kind of add a little bit 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: of something else to sauces. So I've been on a kick. 20 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: I've been on a kick lately. That's fun. 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: Heck yeah, heck yeah, I yeah. I don't have any 22 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: deep updates. I will say that we have done full 23 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: episodes about a few of the ingredients that we're going 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: to talk about, so see those for more information. Tamarind 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 2: pops up for sure, Uh some of some of those. Oh, garam, 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: we did one on garam. Yeah yeah, which is that 27 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 2: ancient Roman fish sauce and uh yeah. The news update 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: that I have for you is that just a few 29 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: days ago. Actually not why I chose this as a classic, 30 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: but it does. Coincidentally, leading brand Lead Parents launched a 31 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 2: Bloody Marry mix in partnership with this brand called George's 32 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 2: Beverage Company, and for the launch of this product, they 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: are pairing with a few BLT restaurant locations around the 34 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: country to to do a branded cocktail plus themed and 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: entree dinner. The cocktails it is a Bloody Mary and 36 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: made with this mix, and the meal plays on some 37 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: of the toppings that are given to Bloody Mary's. The 38 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: the garnishes including a steak marinated in the wister shoe 39 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 2: sauce and then a skewer of shrimp and bacon and 40 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: grape tomatoes. 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: Oh well that sounds good. I mean, if anyone. 42 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 2: Goes yeah, please yeah, not a not a sponsor, I 43 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: think I think as of I think if if you 44 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: listen to this like the day that it airs. You 45 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: might have like two days left to go check this out. 46 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: I think it's only running the end of September through 47 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 2: like the first week of October. But you know, yeah, yeah, 48 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: if you have experienced it, let us know. 49 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Yes, please let us. But in the meantime, I guess 50 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: let's let pass. Danny and Lauren take it away. Hello, 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Annie Reese. 52 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: And I'm Lauren Vocal Bomb. And today, okay, we're talking 53 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: about Rochester. That's the take, isn't it It is, folks, 54 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: we're talking about Worcestershire sauce. Yes, yes, and we're probably 55 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: going to pronounce it differently every single time we say 56 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: it throughout this episode. 57 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. I also jokingly in the outline call this this episode? 58 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: How many times must I use spell check? In one? 59 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: In one outline? 60 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: I can't say it, but for some reason I can 61 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: spell it real good. I'm not sure. I'm not sure 62 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: what that's about. But okay, Whatster your sauce? 63 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: Worcester your sauce? If if you listeners remember the Bloody 64 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Merry episode, Oh yeah, you might remember that. 65 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: I got like, like I do, remember that. 66 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: I vaguely recall I mentioned a story about Scooby Doo 67 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: that no one I'm pretty sure no one ever gets. 68 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: So every time I hear Worcester sauce or it comes 69 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: up in conversation, I always say, Worcester your sauce. I 70 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: hate Worcester sauce, and then the people are like, really why, 71 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,239 Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a Scooby Doo quote. My mom every 72 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: time I do that, she's like, I thought you loved 73 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: Worcester sauce, And every time I have to explain it's 74 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: from Scooby Doo and uh. I would like to include 75 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: the clip so that you can enjoy the beautifultural moment, 76 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: very very important, share it with us. 77 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, sir, give me some more of this hereauce. 78 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: I hate. 79 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: It's yeah. Yeah. 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: That's a clip of a villain from the New Adventures 81 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 2: of Scooby and Scrappy Doo who is found out because 82 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: of his immense hatred for Worcestershire sauce. 83 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I recommend looking it up, both because I 84 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: love it and also because he does quite the hand 85 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: body gestures, body flail yeah when he says that it's 86 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: admirable sauce. Oh yeah, absolutely, but we're not the only 87 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: ones that struggle to pronounce it. Then. Also, there's a 88 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:48,119 Speaker 1: gag about this in South Park. Yes, in the first 89 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: season there's an episode called Pinky where Kenny is turned 90 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: into a zombie after a mortician accidentally spills Worcester Sauce 91 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: into the embalming fluid. 92 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: And it's not scientifically accurate by the way. 93 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: No, but in the show, they the only reason to stop, 94 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: like the zombie outbreak, the only reason, the only way 95 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: is I can't remember oh to kill the original zombie. 96 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: But they only find that out after they call the 97 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: Worcester Sauce Hotline. There's a number on the back that's 98 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: like for any comments, complaints, concerns or if there's a 99 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: zombie outbreak, please call the Worcester Sauce hot hot Line. 100 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: And they do and there's a great, like two minute 101 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: bit where they're on the phone talking about their zombie 102 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: outbreak and what to do. It's really funny, it's really gay. 103 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: And it was originally instead of Worcechester Sauce, it was 104 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: going to be Doctor Pepper, but Doctor Pepper was like, nah, no, 105 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: how about nah yeah, So it became Worcechester Sauce. Yeah. 106 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 2: Which is not an official copyright. 107 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: No, and we will talk about that a little bit. 108 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 1: But okay, now this brings us to our Worcester sauce. 109 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: What is it? Bit? 110 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: Yes, well, Worcester sauce is a thin brown colored liquid 111 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: seasoning slash sauce that tastes sort of salty, savory, sweet, tart, earthy, spiced. 112 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 2: And I know that that might sound like I just 113 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 2: said everything like all of the flavors that you can 114 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 2: experience in a list. Yeah, but that is what it 115 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: tastes like. 116 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: It is as a fun little exercise. I would love 117 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: for everyone to like stop them think what do you 118 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: think Worcester sauce is? Just get that in your head 119 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: and U I suspect you might be in for a surprise. 120 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I was surprised. I was 121 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. The most popular maker of Worcester sauce 122 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: is Lee and Parents. The sauce is British in origins, 123 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: but interestingly the British and US recipes are different. Instead 124 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: of malt vinegar, the US version calls for distilled white 125 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: to vinegar, which is gluten free and three times the 126 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: salt per one third ounce, and subs out the sugar 127 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: for high fruitose corn syrup. 128 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: Not really a surprise there no. Also missing from the 129 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: US formula is pork liver yo. 130 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. Well, there's one thing that you 131 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: might be surprised about in the US as serving size 132 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: as a tea spoon. In the UK and Canada, it's 133 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: one tablespoon. You can find Worcester sauce esque type of 134 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: sauces all around the world under different names. Japan's Tongukcat 135 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: su sauce is an example similar. Yes, yeah, it can 136 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: be used for a lot of things, but I mainly 137 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: think of it as an ingredient in Bloody Mary's or 138 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: a marinade for steak or burgers or something. It's also 139 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: a common ingredient in deviled eggs, caesar salads, and Welsh 140 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: rare bits. 141 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 2: Or rabbits, depending on how you want to pronounce it. 142 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 2: Also cocktail sauce, meat loaf, sloppy joes, crabcakes, meat pies, 143 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: checks mix and barbecue sauces. Freeze dried Worcester sauce shows 144 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: up in a lot of barbecue spice rubes. Actually, it 145 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 2: also pairs well with oyster, and it is a flavor 146 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 2: of chip. 147 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: Of course, it is it is. My mom does love 148 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Worcester sauce. I do too, but she uses it a lot. 149 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: But let's talk about how it's made. Let's get into 150 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: this how exciting part of it. 151 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Well, so first of all, this this 152 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 2: is one of our the many products that we talk 153 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 2: about on the show that tastes the way it does 154 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: largely thanks to bacteria and yeast and they're poop. 155 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: Yep, huzzah. 156 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 2: It is a fermented product. The original Lea and parent 157 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: sauce is made like this. First, you pickle onions and 158 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: garlic and melt vinegar for one to two years. 159 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,839 Speaker 1: One to two years, yep. 160 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: Towards the end of that, you start carrying some anchovies 161 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: in salt for a few months. 162 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: You heard anchovies everyone. 163 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 2: Yep, anchovies, cured anchovies. Then you take those things. You 164 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: add some salt, some sugar, some white vinegar, some malt vinegar, 165 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: some tamarind concentrate, some molasses, and a bunch of other 166 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 2: flavorings and spices which are secret but possibly include clove, sherry, brandy, lemons, 167 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 2: soy sauce, pickles, hot peppers, and walnut and mushroom ketchups. 168 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:04,559 Speaker 1: Hmmm. 169 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: You mix all this together and let the whole mess 170 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 2: ferment for another several months, then strain, blend past your eyes, 171 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: and bottle. 172 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah I really did not. 173 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a fermented fish sauce. 174 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: It's a fermented fish sauce. I've never given it much thought, 175 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: but I always assumed it was kind of a like 176 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: soy sauce, but with something added in I think flavorings. 177 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I thought it was just like like spices, yeah, 178 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 2: and soy sauce. 179 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 1: That's not what it is. Nope, nope, nope. 180 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: Fascinating, Yeah, super fascinating. The show How It's Made, which 181 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: has stuff works is not. 182 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: No, we get confused for that all the time. 183 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 2: The show How It's Made has an episode about how 184 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: It's made, and honestly, it's like a real gross looking 185 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 2: I totally recommend looking it up. It'll it's it's pretty cool, 186 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: and you can make this stuff at home. It won't 187 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: be quite the same as most rest peas do skip 188 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: the fermentation part, but you can come up with a 189 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: pretty decent version by slow cooking similar ingredients to the 190 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 2: manufactured version. And of course, if you're doing it at home, 191 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: you can leave out the anchovies. If you if you're vegetarian, 192 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: for example, or you can leave out the glutenous products 193 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: like the malt vinegar. 194 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So if anyone gives that a try, let 195 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: us know. 196 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, please do yes, especially if you do 197 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 2: the fermented version. With the answer. 198 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: Two years later we get a listener mail it's finally happening. 199 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: Sauce is ready. 200 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 2: I want it so much? 201 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, yeah, Well we'll hold on hope that 202 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: in two years we hear from someone. 203 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: But in the meanwhile, we're going to get into the 204 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 2: history of what's just your sauce. But first going to 205 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: get into a quick break for a word from our sponsor, 206 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 2: and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes. 207 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: Thank you. The history on this one is surprisingly suspiciously 208 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: perhaps straightforward. Why what Yeah, if we go back to 209 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: fermented sauces, fermented sauce is based around fish and specifically anchovies. 210 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Chase back all the way to ancient Rome. 211 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 212 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: One of the first sauces, groom and or Liquomen, was 213 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: an extremely pungent fish sauce of smaller fish like anchovies, 214 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: then fermented alongside the intestines of larger fish. These fish 215 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: parts got a healthy marinate of salt and then we're 216 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: left in the sun for about two months, then drained 217 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: of all the resulting liquid. It originated in the ancient 218 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: Rome and was fairly well known in the Mediterranean by 219 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: fifth century BCE, as indicated by the remains found in 220 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: excavations from salteries in the region. Many recipes in the Epiciose, 221 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 1: one of the first cookbooks called for garam liquimen, including 222 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: in sweets. From there you'd find sauces like essence of 223 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: anchovy and anchovy sauce. We could include catch up in 224 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: this discussion of early fermented fish sauces as well. Oh yeah, 225 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: but Worcester sauce as we know it comes out of 226 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: England in the eighteen hundreds. The story is that a 227 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: posh nobleman went on holiday to Bengal in the nineteenth 228 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: century and developed quite a taste for the spices he 229 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: encountered there, or or possibly it was the one time 230 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: governor of Bengal, Lord Sandis. When he returned to England, 231 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: he sought out a way to capture some of these 232 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: flavors and ended up hiring two chemists for the job, 233 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: John Lee and William Parns. Their first attempts were not successful. 234 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: According to the Lee and Parens website quote, Lee and 235 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: parents were not impressed with their initial results. The pair 236 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: found the taste unpalatable and simply left the jars or 237 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: possibly the barrel in their cellar to gather dust. A 238 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: few years later, they stumbled across them and decided to 239 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: taste the contents again. To they their delight, the aging 240 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: process had turned it into a delicious savory sauce. Now 241 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: the whole Rich Fellow request thing might be totally foff, 242 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: more of a marketing ploy than anything else. 243 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 2: There are actually no records of Lord Sandis ever being 244 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: in India, and certainly not indicating that he was the 245 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: governor of Bengal, so there's. 246 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: Some fishy parts of this story. 247 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: Another story goes that Lord Sanders's wife had a taste 248 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: for curry, and a friend of hers who had an 249 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 2: uncle who'd served as Chief Justice in India, gave her 250 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: a recipe and even recommended two chemists to help her 251 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: try it out or that could be completely made up 252 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: to at any rate. 253 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: At any rate, The first batchman on sale in eighteen 254 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: thirty seven out of the Lean Parrin's Pharmacy in Worcester, England, 255 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: he's the name. It's not the only Worcester sauce from 256 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: the area either. The success of the lean Paren Sauce 257 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: led to over thirty competitor sauces just out of Worcester. 258 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: Part of the popularity of these sauces was not only 259 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: flavorizing bland food, but also tenderizing tough cuts of meat 260 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: and a fun gin and tonic throwback our gin and 261 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: tonic episode. Lee and parents also produced Quinine wine and 262 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: the purportedly anti malarial Quinn sauce or Quine sauce in 263 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty from an eighteen thirty cookbook. Two wine glasses 264 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: of port and two of walnut pickle, four of mushroom ketchup, 265 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: half a dozen anchovies pounded, the like number of shallots, 266 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: sliced and pounded, a tablespoonful of soy, and half a 267 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: dram of cayenne pepper. Let them simmer gently for ten minutes, 268 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: strain it, and when cold, put it into bottles well 269 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: corked and sealed over. It will keep for considerable time. 270 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: Ops This is commonly called Quinn sauce, and was given 271 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: to me by a very sagacious sauce makerous Say Jacious goodness. 272 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: This is fun with pronunciation should be the other title 273 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: of this show. Absolutely also this note in a recipe 274 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: for essence of anchovy. I found quote fresh pickle mixed 275 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: with red paint. H I think maybe this met wine 276 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: read the pain. 277 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 2: I hope it met wine. 278 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: I really I do as well. Hmmm. Worcester sauce was 279 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: pretty much an instant hit in its home region, and 280 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: one of the first steps liam parents took to spread 281 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: their sauce was getting it on dining tables of British 282 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: passenger ships. They wrapped the bottles in paper to keep 283 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: them from breaking, and to this day some of the 284 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: bottles are packaged that way. It didn't take long for 285 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 1: it to become a British staple, particularly as a sauce 286 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: for steaks. Some of the first ads for this stuff 287 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: were great, hailing it as digestive and that it would 288 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: make your hair beautiful, among many other medicinal uses. Worcester 289 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: sauce arrived in America via New York in eighteen thirty nine. 290 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: A New York entrepreneur had ordered a bit to test out. 291 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: It was supposedly the first commercially bottle condiment in the 292 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: United States, and it was a huge hit. 293 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: As the sauce grew in popularity, Lion parents were able 294 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: to give up their chemistry shop and start selling the 295 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: sauce full time by eighteen sixty six. Not too long after, though, 296 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy six, Liam Parens lost the copyright to 297 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Worcester Sauce, allowing it to be used generically. The Lean 298 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: Parens variety is labeled as the original Worcester sauce. 299 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: In the early to mid nineteen hundreds, Worcester sauce made 300 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 2: its way to Japan, along with a bunch of other 301 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: Western foods, where it was adapted into the thicker, sweeter sauce, 302 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: often literally just called sauce sausu, to be served with 303 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: foods like tankatsu, okonomiyaki, and takayaki. Sometime probably in the 304 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 2: late twentieth century, the original Lean Parrin's recipe, thought to 305 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: have been lost to the ages, was found by a 306 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 2: company accountant written in cepia ink in two leather folios 307 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: and a dumpster. Oh no, he rescued. 308 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: Them that that is a heartwarming tale of triumph right there. 309 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: Uh huh. And in two thousand and five, Hinz Company 310 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 2: acquired HP Foods Group, including Leeann Parens and their original 311 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 2: sauce for some eight hundred and twenty million dollars United States. 312 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 2: I mean that was for the whole group. 313 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: But like still, I just did like a dramatic cartoonish 314 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: like shock mouth a gatee. Wow. Yeah, minds showing up again. 315 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: Yes, sauces are Sauces are big business, that's true. I 316 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: mean condiments, y'all. 317 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, put them on my My family is a big 318 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: condiment family. So yeah, I mean I guess you use 319 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: them a lot, you put them on different things, wow, 320 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: lean parents all right, mm hmm. So that's the history. 321 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, and we do have a little bit of science 322 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: for you. But first we've got another quick break for 323 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: a word. 324 00:18:51,680 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: From our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 325 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 3: thank you. 326 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: There is just an amazing amount of flavor science involved 327 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: in every wee little bottle of oyster sauce. I mean 328 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 2: you're starting out with some of the most strongly flavorful 329 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: objects that I personally know of. Yeah, and their fermentation 330 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: does all sorts of really interesting things. Okay, this is 331 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: also another section full of pronunciations, So we're we're making 332 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 2: it happen this episode. We are all right, fermented anchovies 333 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 2: release iosinate, which is a savory flavor compound, and onions 334 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: add glutamic acid, another savory note. Those garlic and onions 335 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: bring some sulfurous compounds, including alison and dialyl disulfate, which 336 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: pin your pain receptors. That's actually why garlic and onions 337 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 2: taste a little bit like spicy. Yeah, it's that burn. Yeah, 338 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 2: it's totally pain receptors that are just going, oh oh yeah. 339 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: There's also probably a little bit of ethanol in there 340 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: from the fermentation process, which does more of the same 341 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: as we have talked about in our alcohol related episode. Tamarind, 342 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: molasses and sugar or high frictose corn syrup add some sweetness, 343 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: plus the tamarind gives it the tart twinge, tamarind being 344 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 2: a tropical fruit that tastes sort of sweetened sour. If 345 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: you've never had pure tamarind, a I recommend it. It's 346 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: really interesting. But b it's one of the primary ingredients 347 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: in pad thaie sauce. If that helps you place the flavor. 348 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 2: There's also kepsaiusin from hot peppers and eugenol from cloves 349 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: to provide a little bit more of that bite. 350 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, and of. 351 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: Course, the specific yeasts and or bacteria that you're using 352 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: for your fermentation are going to make a huge difference 353 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: in the flavor profile. Good old Sacharomics Sera vizier is 354 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: a common one. It also makes stuff like beer and 355 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: sour dough bread happen, thank you, yeah, thank Indeed it 356 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 2: can also add iso amyl alcohol aka banana flavor. 357 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: Oh uh huh. 358 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: And it and Britanno mices, which we talked about in 359 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: our sour Beer episode, provide ethylphenol aka a like barnyard 360 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 2: or earthy savory. 361 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: Flavor, barnyard flavor. 362 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, no, seriously, Like think in your mental 363 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 2: catalog about Worcester shear sauce and you will find banana 364 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: in there. 365 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: I go try some after this. 366 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: I had never thought about it before, but it's that's 367 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 2: definitely a flavor that is in there. 368 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't wait. Wait, And then now 369 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: I'm interested because I never would have thought that it 370 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: had roots in India, and now I want to try it, 371 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: like with that context in mine. Well, sure if I 372 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: can pick out different kind of those flavors. 373 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: From those spices, from those spice road spices. 374 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, yeah, that is Worcester sauce. It's this was 375 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: a fun, surprising one. It is. 376 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: It's as fun to read about as it is difficult 377 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: to pronounce. 378 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: This is true, We've been. It's actually kind of fun 379 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: to say. If you can get it right, there's something 380 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of fun about it. Worcester Share. Yeah, we're gonna 381 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 1: get people writing in and be like, actually, actually. 382 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: There are at least four accepted pronunciations. 383 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: Okay, I hope we got one of them. I mean 384 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: we had to have. I did watch a video on 385 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Huffington Post that was like almost every article I found 386 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: about Orchester sauce started with this. One's hard to say. 387 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: Here's this video. Go watch people trying to pronounce it. 388 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: It does not look to my eye that that is 389 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 1: the way you should pronounce it. But that does not 390 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: mean English is fun that way. I'd say war estics here. Okay. 391 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: I was looking at this earlier because it was driving 392 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 2: me nuts about how it could possibly be pronounced to 393 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: the way that it is. And I think that the 394 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 2: problem is is that we're looking at the syllables wrong, 395 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: Like we're looking at war chester Shire and it's not 396 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 2: war Chester. It's worse Esther. 397 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: Okay, like like the w r. 398 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 2: CE Sure is one sound unit. It's war Yeah, christer 399 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 2: Sure Okay. 400 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: I remember the first time I was in London, I 401 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: made a fool of myself pronouncing oh god, now I 402 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: can't even remember to pronounce it Leicester. 403 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 2: Oh Leicester, it's just lester see. 404 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Yeah okay, oh still oh. 405 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: Old German words that made their way into English. Fun 406 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 2: with words, Thanks Chaucer. Yeah, thanks Printing Press for cementing 407 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: our language while the verbal part was still evolving. 408 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: No, thanks, it's more like and that brings us to 409 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: the end of this classic episode. We hope that you 410 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: enjoyed it as much as we did. We had fun 411 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: making this one. For sure. I got to bring my 412 00:23:53,040 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: obscure Scooby Doo reference to light. Finally, it was fun. 413 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: And yes, if you have any recipes or ways you 414 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: like to use worceh to sure cells, you should hear 415 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: how my mom pronounces it is the most Southern pronunciation. 416 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: It's very cute. But yes, if you have any of 417 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 1: those recipes uses, please let us know. You can write in. 418 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: Our email is hello at savorpod dot com. 419 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 2: We are also on social media. 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