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Speaker 1: This is Jenna Fisher, I played Pam Beasley. Hello, folks,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me here today. That's right,

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Speaker 1: she's back. Uh. This is the office Deep Dive and

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Brian baum Gartner. Today I am

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Speaker 1: so thrilled to be bringing you the second half of

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Speaker 1: my conversation with Jenna, and this time we are diving

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Speaker 1: right in to the good stuff. That's right, the real

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Speaker 1: reason you're all here Jim and Pam, p B and

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Speaker 1: freaking Jay. Now, over the years, Jenna and John have

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Speaker 1: been asked approximately eight billion questions about Jim and Pam's relationship.

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Speaker 1: So I have to say I almost didn't even want

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Speaker 1: to ask them about it, but but I did, and

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Speaker 1: I was blown away by how interesting it was to

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Speaker 1: talk about Jenna in particular, shared so many incredible insights

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Speaker 1: into their relationship and and what made it unique on television,

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Speaker 1: and why she and John are actually not a couple

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Speaker 1: in real life, and trust me, they are not anyway.

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Speaker 1: That is just the beginning. This conversation was so fascinating,

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Speaker 1: as every conversation with Jenna is. I cannot say enough

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Speaker 1: good things about her. So go ahead and welcome to

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Speaker 1: your ear holes. Miss Jenna Fisher, Bubble and Squeak. I

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Speaker 1: love it, Bubble and Squeaker, Bubble and Squeaker cooking at

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Speaker 1: every More lived from the I was literally laying in

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Speaker 1: bed last night thinking about this, Like if you think

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Speaker 1: about the office as like a person or a body

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Speaker 1: or something, Pam was the heart and your relationship with

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Speaker 1: so many different people, well, with everybody, but really those three,

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Speaker 1: you know, Jim and Dwight and Michael, obviously the relationship

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Speaker 1: with Jim. Why do you think that that relationship resonated

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Speaker 1: so much with with audiences? Oh, I think it's the

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Speaker 1: unrequited love. I think we've all been there. We've all

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Speaker 1: been in love with someone who either didn't love us

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Speaker 1: or couldn't love us, or because of circumstances or distance

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Speaker 1: or whatever these things were, we're keeping us from being

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Speaker 1: able to fully express our feelings. The longing. And then

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Speaker 1: I think additionally the clear chemistry between the characters that

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Speaker 1: you could see that they were meant to be together

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Speaker 1: and you just rooted for them absolutely. But I think

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Speaker 1: that there was also something about your performance and John's performance.

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Speaker 1: You showed such heart and vulnerability that I think people

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Speaker 1: were really rooting for you, whether they had found what

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Speaker 1: they wanted to or not. Well. I think both Pam

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Speaker 1: of the reasons why it takes them so long. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I think you always want the good guy to win,

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Speaker 1: so I think you did want them to find one

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Speaker 1: another and be together. It's hopeful, right. Um, Nothing throughout

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Speaker 1: the entire his tree of the show brought production to

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Speaker 1: a screeching halt, like a big Jim Pam moment. It's true,

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Speaker 1: and I say that with love and also with utter frustration.

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Speaker 1: It Um, Yeah, we really really cared. I mean John

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Speaker 1: we were usually on the same page with Jim and Pam.

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Speaker 1: We were had like a singular mind when it came

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Speaker 1: to Jim and Pam. For the most part, there was

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Speaker 1: often one Jim Pam moment per episode, and it was

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Speaker 1: either where they're going to connect in some super special

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Speaker 1: swoony way, or they're gonna misstep in some way where

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Speaker 1: Or should he kiss her cheek? Before all of these

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Speaker 1: I mean we would we would spend hours debating and

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Speaker 1: shooting alternates of these Jim Pam scenes and ours is

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Speaker 1: not an exaggeration. But what's amazing is this wasn't like

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Speaker 1: mystical producers in another land talking about it. This was

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Speaker 1: you and John who are in there in question? No, No,

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Speaker 1: not at all. No. I mean, I think it speaks

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Speaker 1: This was one of the most fun elements of working

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Speaker 1: his way out of it. So that is so fun

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Speaker 1: to play. And similarly with Jim and Pam, how do

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Speaker 1: absolutely loved those nuances. Those were some of the most

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Speaker 1: But there was a moment later on season eight, Kathy

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Speaker 1: It's taking place in Jim's bedroom and we had to shoot.

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Speaker 1: we ultimately wanted. But then there was a phone call

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Speaker 1: memory of being there when Jim was a smug bedbug?

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Speaker 1: Was that your episode smug Bedbugs? I have a memory

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Speaker 1: were involved in what the interaction was between Kathy and Jim,

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Speaker 1: and how that interaction, what that meant for your relationship

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Speaker 1: wanting to get it right. Yeah, we cared on this

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Speaker 1: When did you When did you start realizing or noticing

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Speaker 1: people outside and was it infringing on your real life? Well,

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Speaker 1: They don't understand it. And I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: as in real life. Why would you not just say that?

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Speaker 1: But that's weird. I have to. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: real life we're mismatched. He is perfectly matched with Emily

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Speaker 1: not imagined real life because you know us both. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think that that's a great description. I also think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite moment or moments between the

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Speaker 1: too much like John Krasinski, if that would feel like Pam,

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00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like all this stuff,

430
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: and so anyway, I liked that storyline. I thought it

431
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: was really interesting because another part of season nine was

432
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: that we were going to release the documentary that you

433
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: were going to see what how it affects these people's

434
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: lives for them to see themselves in a documentary, And

435
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: I think that's really great closure for the show as well.

436
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: Perfect I think it was an underrated ending of the show.

437
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 1: I felt like Greg very clearly had a story that

438
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: he wanted to tell. Yeah, And I think that when

439
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 1: you're live that you're anticipate and there's almost nothing that

440
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: can meet your expectations. But I think if you go

441
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: back and you watch it, you see just the brilliance

442
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:12,360
Speaker 1: of how he tied it all up truly. Um, when

443
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: did you find out that Steve was coming back for

444
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: the finale? Did you know early on? I feel like

445
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: I almost always knew, because John and I had been

446
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: up in the writer's room talking about the finale and

447
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: we were sworn secrecy. So I feel like I knew

448
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: for a pretty long time, and I knew that there

449
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: was a lot of trickery going on that he was

450
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: not written into the final script. At the final table read,

451
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: there was a scene between Dwight and Steve, but it

452
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: was written between White and Creed, and Creed read the

453
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: lines at the final table read. And that was because

454
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: they did not want anyone at the network to know

455
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: that Steve was coming back. It was huge secret. They

456
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: didn't want NBCPR to like, yeah, please it and and

457
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: to ruin the surprise of Steve being in the finale. UM,

458
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: what's your memory from that? Were do you more laughy

459
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: or cry like in the table reads? Oh? I think

460
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I cried a little bit every single day. I was

461
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: a crier at the table read. I was crying. That

462
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: was really emotional. That last table read. Chris Workman, our

463
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: camera operator assistant, took a photo of that last table

464
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: read that Angela has blown up in her house on

465
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: her wall. That is fantastic of that last moment right

466
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: after we said the last line. And then I remember

467
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: that Pam has the last line of the show, and

468
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: they had originally scheduled it so that that would be

469
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: the very last thing we shoot. And I think it

470
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: was John or some other people said, oh, man, well,

471
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: we don't all want to be wrapped. And then Jenna

472
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: has this talking head and and Greg said something like,

473
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, we got to have the last scene

474
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: be with everybody. And after I finished my talking head,

475
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: we shot the b roll of me taking the picture

476
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: off the wall and all of us walking out the door.

477
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: And we did it, I don't know how many times,

478
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: five or six, but we would take the thing off

479
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: the wall and all walk out and then we would

480
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: all stand off camera by the elevator, all of us,

481
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: many of us crammed by this elevator, and there would

482
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: be this moment where we would wait to see if

483
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: they were going to say cut going again or cut

484
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: that's a wrap. And I'm getting choked up just thinking

485
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: about that because those seconds of waiting and every time

486
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: I just wanted them to say cut going again, because

487
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: I knew when they said that's a wrap, that that

488
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: was a wrap up. That was it. I'd never shoot

489
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: the office again. And when they said that's a wrap,

490
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: I just burst into tears and started hugging the closest

491
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: people that I could find. And and it was it

492
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: was really, it was just really really crazy and emotional. Yeah,

493
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: will you play that. I thought it was weird when

494
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: you picked us to make a documentary, But all in all,

495
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: I think an ordinary paper company like dunder Mifflin was

496
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: a great subject for a documentary. There's a lot of

497
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: beauty and ordinary things, Isn't that kind of the point

498
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: to me? That's that's what Gregg thinks it was about

499
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of beauty and ordinary things. What

500
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: do you think it was about, Oh, Greg Daniels, I

501
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: think that's what it was about. Yeah, I do. I also, um,

502
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: I always thought selfishly because it was my job to

503
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: view the show through my character. It's not lost on

504
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: me that when Pam was ready to break free of

505
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: dunder Mifflin, the show ended. So I always kind of

506
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: thought it was the journey of a girl becoming a woman,

507
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: finding herself going out into the world. When we meet her,

508
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: she's trapped behind this desk, and she sort of slowly

509
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: moves to sales and then finds the man she loves

510
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: and starts this family. And then when she's really ready,

511
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: she really fights against leaving. And then when she's ready

512
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: to go, it's all over because the documentary doesn't stop

513
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: when Michael leaves, so it's not really a documentary about

514
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: Michael Scott. You know, they decided to stop making the

515
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: documentary when Pam leaves. That's so interesting. Do you think

516
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: The Office could be made today? No, I don't think

517
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: it could. Well, I don't know if it could be

518
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: made today. It's a good question. Well, first of all,

519
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: something I want to point out our question I want

520
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: to ask you is people always ask us if we're

521
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: all really friends in real life, and I don't even

522
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: think saying that we're friends in real life accurately communicates

523
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: how deeply I feel for you and everybody. It's a

524
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: like a love of family, Like I can't explain it.

525
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: Do you think if we've made this show in the

526
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: age of smartphones and whatnot, that we would be as

527
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: deeply connected? Like? Don't you think? Inc like the circumstances

528
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: of us being trapped on that set for the first

529
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: season with no working computers, no phones, no internet, nothing,

530
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: just a troop of actors and artists trapped in a

531
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: room for twelve hours a day playing. We never absorbed

532
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: ourselves and our phones or emails or other work or anything.

533
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: And I think that that lent itself to part of

534
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: the magic. And I just wonder if if you try

535
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: to put us all in a room today, I don't know,

536
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: when we just have our phones and our desks. I

537
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: think that maybe I don't know, Maybe I think that

538
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: we for sure. What I think is we were a

539
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: collective group of people with differing backgrounds and experiences and training.

540
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: It was like we were an old time theater troupe,

541
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: yes stuck together. And we weren't all famous. No, we

542
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: came from a place of just wanting to do good work. Well.

543
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: When Lee and I got married, I had invited a

544
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: girlfriend of mine that I'd gone to high school with

545
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: from St. Louis, and she was so excited to come

546
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: to the wedding and she said, if they're going to

547
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: be famous people there, you know? And I said, no,

548
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: not really, We're not really friends with a lot of

549
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: famous people, you know. And then she's like, well, are

550
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: the cast members from the office going to be there?

551
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, there'll be there, and she

552
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: was like, well they're famous, and I'm like, oh, yeah,

553
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: that's right. I forgot. But even now today, I don't

554
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: think of us that way. I still always think of

555
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: us as the people in the room before anyone cared

556
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: or anyone knew who we were, and so being on

557
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: that journey together as well, I think really bonded us.

558
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: But I don't know if we could make the show today.

559
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: It's it's really hard to say. It was such a

560
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: moment in time. Can you make a show today with

561
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: total unknown? I don't know, Silicon Valley kind of there's

562
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: other shows. Well, let me ask why do you think

563
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: the show is more popular now than it was when

564
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: we was on. My answer is very simple. The show

565
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: is excellent. It's excellent. It is absolutely brilliantly executed, and

566
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: it holds up because it's just that good. Really, But

567
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: you know it's funny. I started this podcast with Angela

568
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: where we watch an episode of the Office. We started

569
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: from the beginning. We break it down. This was not

570
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: my this is not a plug moment. We were about

571
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: to go there in a minute, but anyway, go ahead. Now.

572
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: What I was going to say is Angela and I

573
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: are doing this podcast and we have to watch an

574
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: episode of the Office and then we discuss it. So

575
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: I've been watching the show from the very beginning. Had

576
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: you watched the show since they aired, you had not.

577
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: I had seen a few here and there. I had

578
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: seen the dinner party I had. I had been in

579
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: a trailer on a job and I had a teeny

580
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: tiny television mounted to the wall of my trailer. Was

581
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: so small. She'm not joking right now. She just held

582
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: up her fingers and showed three inches. I don't think

583
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: the now, it's more like five inches. It was smaller

584
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: than a laptop screen. It was very tiny, and it's

585
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 1: so I was so that's what she said. I was

586
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: so tickled by it that I took a picture and

587
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: I sent it to Steve and John and Ed and

588
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: Angela and all of us who had been in that

589
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: scene where we were laughing so hard at Michael's tiny

590
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: flat screen TV. And then that made me want to

591
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 1: watch that episode. So then I went and watched the

592
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: dinner Party episode, and then a few examples of things

593
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: like that where you're flipping through and you an episode

594
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: comes on or something like that. But no, I have

595
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: not seen most of these episodes since they aired, so

596
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: it's been really cool for me. And I have to say,

597
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: I really get why people are so excited about the show. Like,

598
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: as I watch it again, I'm really watching it almost

599
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: as a fan, and it's weird that I'm on it

600
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: in some ways. When I'm watching myself, I've always thought

601
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: it was real. I is that a fact? I don't know.

602
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: But before I started doing that, I was on Greg

603
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: to do a reunion special or revived the office in

604
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: some way, selfishly because I just want to work with

605
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: all you all again, and because I know Steve has

606
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: a really good idea, and I thought, let's get Steve's

607
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: idea going. Come on, Greg, come on, Greg, you gotta

608
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: do it. Well, now that I've been rewatching the show,

609
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: I wrote Greg and email recently and I said, Greg, Um,

610
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: I don't think you should reopen the show. It's it

611
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: is so perfect just as it is. Like, I don't

612
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: think we should now. I was such a champion for

613
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: doing it for so long, and now I'm realizing maybe

614
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: it's exactly perfect just as it is, and you don't

615
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: want to have this weird extra seven years later episode

616
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: that we made. Um, I don't know. Well, he do have.

617
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Here's the beauty is I have the ability to edit

618
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: out whatever I say right now. I have no interest

619
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: in it in doing it in a reunion episode. But

620
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: have you heard Steve's idea. It's a great idea. It

621
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: has a good idea. But if we did it in Scranton, Brian,

622
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: what if that's the thing that we come back for,

623
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: is we shoot an episode finally in Scranton. Steve's idea?

624
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I'm tempting you. But at the same time,

625
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: I think the show is just perfect as it is.

626
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: Although we do have an unproduced episode pet Day. There's

627
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: one episode of the office called pet Day. Well it

628
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: wasn't shot that we never shot. That's right, I have

629
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the script. I have let you do. In fact, I

630
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: signed scripts, obviously to give away to charity. I have

631
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: a gigantic box of scripts that because we would get

632
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: multiple per week. It was not great for the environment,

633
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 1: but we would get more, and they're in my garage

634
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: and boxes. And I reached in and grabbed one and

635
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: it was pet Day pet Day? And I thought, what

636
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: if I had signed that? And I mean, thank goodness,

637
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: I looked at what the title was, because that could

638
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: have been true. I could have gotten in trouble for that. Well.

639
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: I said to Greg, what if we do a special

640
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: where we just do a staged reading of pet Day

641
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: and we all come together and we read pet Day.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't there a reason we didn't do pet Day? Animal cruelty?

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Speaker 1: I believe it was the reason we didn't do pet

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Speaker 1: Day because there's some awful bird death in it or

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Speaker 1: something I can't remember death and a porcupine in Dwight's

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Speaker 1: desk we did, and Angela throws a cat and a

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Speaker 1: cat and one gets frozen. And no, there's Greg must

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Speaker 1: not like animals. Um, is there anything else anything else

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Speaker 1: that you want covered that you feel like we didn't?

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's so much I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know you did. You were very good. I

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Speaker 1: can't think of anything, really, I think something that's really

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Speaker 1: interesting to talk about two, because you talk about how

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Speaker 1: there were like the theater people and the comedians, and

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Speaker 1: then there were the improv people, but there were also

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Speaker 1: all of these ways that we were weirdly connected like that.

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Speaker 1: Phillis and I both grew up in St. Louis, as

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Speaker 1: did Ken kuoppas he grew up in Belleville, Illinois, which

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Speaker 1: rusty mom mood grew up in St. Louis. So there

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Speaker 1: bunch of those Boston guys. You've got John and Steve

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Speaker 1: school and high school, you and Ed went to the

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Speaker 1: same high school. And Angela and Oscar were in an

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Speaker 1: improv group together, and she walked on set and was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, Oscar, you got cast in this. It

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Speaker 1: was a complete shock to her. She'd done improv with Kate.

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Speaker 1: So there were these ways where we'd all been kind

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Speaker 1: of circling each other in this weird way, and then

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Speaker 1: all finally came together. There were so many coincidences in

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Speaker 1: how we were connected to Yes. I remember shooting a

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Speaker 1: scene for webisodes and was in the annex camera on me.

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Speaker 1: I was shooting a talking head and suddenly I saw

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Speaker 1: Ed Helms walking behind the I was like, Ed, what

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Speaker 1: what are you? And he was there to meet with

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Speaker 1: Greg and about joining the show. This is between season

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Speaker 1: two and three. Yeah, it's crazy. Um, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I love you, Brian. I appreciate you coming. I hope

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Speaker 1: this has been some fun. I could talk for hours

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Speaker 1: about our show. I love that you're doing this because

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what everybody says. Yeah, well there

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Speaker 1: you go. I love you, I love you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That is a rap on Jenna Fisher here at the

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Speaker 1: office deep dive Jenna, thank you so much for sharing

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Speaker 1: your time with us. I mean, look, I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to say this to your face, but I think that

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Speaker 1: we all know Kevin was the real emotional core of

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Speaker 1: the office. I mean, you can keep thinking Pam, but

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Speaker 1: I say it's keV Dog. But you were so great here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you have it. I'll even forgive the

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Speaker 1: fact that you're a Cardinals fan. Go Dodgers listeners. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, even all your Cardinals fans,

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Speaker 1: and get ready because next week. Oh it's the big one, folks,

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Speaker 1: It's the Big ConA, the big Cheese, the big guy upstairs,

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Speaker 1: Steve Correl. Have a great week. The Office. Deep Dive

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Speaker 1: is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside

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Speaker 1: our executive producer, Langlee. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer,

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Speaker 1: our associate producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant edit

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Speaker 1: is Diego Tapia. My main man in the booth is

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Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by

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Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed

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Speaker 1: by Seth Olandsky