WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 8 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.480 Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted to let 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:06.160 you know. This is a compilation episode. So every episode 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.360 of the week that just happened is here in one 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:13.240 convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.760 listen to in a long stretch if you want. If 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.720 you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.919 there's gonna be nothing new here for you, but you 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:30.520 can make your own decisions. Well, I'm Robert Evans may 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:32.520 have said that already. I don't know, like I said, 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.239 too many motherfucking podcasts, but this is the last school 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:42.040 week episode. Um and and with me actually in the 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:46.440 office right now. Maskless is a protest against the mask 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:52.840 man Garrison David's it's fine, it's fine, Garrison. I understand 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.880 that that you don't believe in health mandates. We have 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.080 to respect each other's differences. I have magic to protect myself. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.080 That's right, That's that's fine. You use chaos magic to 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.800 protect yourself from COVID? What do you got for me? 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.080 We're doing we're doing the first it could happen here 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:14.560 daily book episode excellent, um sexy and so I Irotic. 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.680 We were looking for for spooky content for Spooky Week 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:21.400 and around Halloween, and I wanted to find a book 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:25.479 written by an unhinged like Christian writer about what they 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.600 think Halloween is. And I found I found one with 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:31.399 very very little browsing. It took It was very quick. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.559 It took me like five minutes. It used to be 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.759 you were too wrong. Well, no, because you did grow 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:37.600 up in the cold, but you were tooting to remember 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:39.920 this being a super mainstream I mean, I wasn't like 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:41.520 we had no Halloween when I was a kid. We 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:43.480 couldn't got treating. We had like we had, like we 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:45.600 had like a we had like a harvest party. The 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.680 church put off, but like we had we had, I couldn't. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:50.920 I didn't. The first time I went tricker treating was 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.200 when I was like twelve and I moved to Portland. No, 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:55.480 I was like thirteen, was the first time I went 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.120 trick or treating? Yeah, it's um. I mean it used 0:01:58.120 --> 0:01:59.720 to be like it used to be something that got 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.520 more mainstream play. The like anti Halloween thing, um kind 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:05.440 of tied in with a satanic panic. I remember the 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:07.920 early nineties. That's what this book is going to be about. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:11.959 Angry about it, but man, it just is like it's 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.919 it's it almost feels like homey and comforting. Thinking back 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.880 to that as this book has been oddly comforting because 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.280 it just reminds me people with childhood. Was like, that's 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.560 just all the same stuff. Yeah, I want you, I 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.920 want you to read the title and the author of 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:30.760 this amazing book. Okay, so this is wow. The cover 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.960 is honestly just looks like a normal jack. It looks 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.840 like a regular a bat into a Jack Lanard, but 0:02:37.880 --> 0:02:41.320 it's got like spooky white smoke coming out of it. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:48.720 The title is Helloween Satan's New Year by Dr Billy Dimily. 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.119 It's not a real name. Is not a real name, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:56.280 Billy Billy like it's I swear to God listeners, b 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.280 I L L y E. That is not a name. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.800 And the last it is certainly not Billy, that's Billy. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:04.800 But the last nay, it was just as bad. Dimily. 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:07.720 Yeah d y M A L L y dim ally 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:13.799 ally don't know nonsense. So we have Whenever you find 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.119 a Christian book written by someone with doctor and from 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:17.480 their first name, you know it. You know it's gonna 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:19.320 be good. You gotta figure out what kind of doctor. 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:22.359 Guess what? Guess what kind of doctor. So, first of all, 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.840 for the maybe so, Billy dim Ley, the author earned 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.079 earned a theological doctorate of ministry in the mid eighties 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.800 at the Honolulu extension of the of the Western Conservative 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:39.360 Baptist Theological Seminary headquartered in Portland, Oregon. So that's fine. 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:43.840 The Honolulu one headquarters. The branch was in Hollelululu, but 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:46.160 the headquarters was apparently Importland, Oregon in the eighties, And 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.920 that makes sense much if it's still here. But you know, 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:54.360 sister cities Portland and Honolulu. She wrote at least fifteen 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.360 original manuscripts her word manuscript UM, on a wide range 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.200 of biblical doctrines. And so he is a lady, I believe, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.240 So I mean, has she her pronounces I gotta, I gotta, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.960 can't continue. I'm gonna look this up. So yeah, but Billy, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.320 So then the book that we're looking at is is 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:16.039 one one of her fifteen manuscripts UM self published by 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:20.760 Infinity Publishing. Um. Yeah, this was in the publish in 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:24.520 two thousand six. That gives that's a lady. And if 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.320 that's her actual picture on the front, she just kind 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:28.240 of looks like a looks like a white lady like 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:30.480 a white lady. So yeah. So one of my favorite 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:31.920 parts of the book so far is right when you 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.919 opened up to the title page, it says, you know, Halloween, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:35.880 satans know you're a the titled the book, and then 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:37.839 as a as a brief description of what the book is, 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:43.800 it says, a systematic compilation and narrative of paraphrased Bible scriptures. 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:45.960 Oh whoa, No, that is not her on the cover 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.000 because she is not a white lady, is she not? 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.000 So that's her? Oh? She she's like a black conservative 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.000 bath Yeah, just like she looks like kind of like 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:59.000 a judge. She does look a lot like a strong judge, 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:02.840 does Judge Jennery? Yeah? Okay, well I do. I do 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:07.320 love the systematic compilation narrative of paraphrased Bible scriptures, not 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:13.480 actual Bibles. Not actual Bible scriptures. Wow, Garrison, Uh, you 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.320 want to guess what she has as her as her 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:21.159 place of employment on Facebook? Well, let me thank I 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.960 don't know. I'm gonna read it verbatim. Works at in 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:29.000 and this is all caps now the service of God. Alright, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.159 she works at in the service of She who doesn't 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.080 work at in the service of God? Am I right 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.480 fucking incredible. Based on this book, I'm guessing she got real, 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.480 real into Q and on. But that's just based on 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.599 what I read. I think she may have died. Oh 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:49.719 really well, her last post is in February. I wonder 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:53.920 what happened around in February. Maybe she's just not super 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:59.919 into Facebook but just posting quite a lot. No, she's not. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.920 She's actually not super He's a decent chance COVID got her. Yeah, 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.000 maybe she just doesn't use a lot of social media. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:08.800 That's fine. Con So, yeah, I do like that. She 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.680 describes the book as paraphrase Bible scriptures, not actual par paraphrase, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.560 and and Bible paraphrase Bible scriptures on the doctrines of 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:21.640 good and evil, including an expose on the practice of witchcraft, magic, occultism, divination, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.599 and Satan worship. So that that is how she describes 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:27.159 the book. Now, the book is like almost the book 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.080 is two pages long, and it is mostly the same 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:34.160 sentence rewritten in like twelve ways. Um, it's all saying 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.560 about how good Jesus is and how evil Satan is 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.120 and how people using magic our servants of Satan. Basically, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.120 it's just that for for two hundred pages, and she 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.640 includes like a lot of a lot of like again 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:50.280 paraphrase Bible scriptures about you know, basically like really classic 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:54.599 evangelical kind of conservative Baptist Christianity type stuff. Um, so 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:56.520 that's how most of the book is. There's there's not 0:06:56.720 --> 0:07:00.240 much Halloween content in this Halloween book that doesn't sup rise. 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.800 That's often the case with these weird like yeah, it's 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:06.120 just it's they've got some bizarre theological grife that's only 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:09.240 potentially related to the culture ward stuff on, like like 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:12.600 they have like stuff on like Zionism and the Holy Spirit. Yeah, 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:17.440 I bet she's got great takes on sacred books, Baptism. Like, 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.240 it's a whole bunch of the whole bunch of just 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.480 like regular kind of conservative Christian stuff. Except there is 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.760 one chapter that is pure gold. It's called the Witch 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:30.000 of Endor and it is this is this is the 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.520 explos day on witchcraft and Halloween. I'm very excited. It's 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:35.360 it is. It is the best part of the book. 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.760 And I'm hand it's it's like at least like thirty pages. 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:40.680 I'm not gonna we can't read the whole thing because honestly, again, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.080 it is mostly the same kind of sentences. But I 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.200 have highlighted a few a few key passages from the 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:50.320 witches of endor Um to to distill out to us. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:52.840 So first the first thing, That first thing for when 0:07:53.360 --> 0:08:00.520 when a billy billy billy so, and in the section 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.040 called what is a witch? Uh is a question says 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.920 which is a sorcerer? Which is a Satanist? Which is 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.600 worship ancient false gods and practice magic. Magic is the 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:12.600 divinely forbidden black heart of bringing about the results beyond 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:16.720 the human power by use of evil spirits and including 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.400 the devil and his demons. Magic always brings Satan's diabolical 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.560 power into play. So it's it's it's really good, um. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.560 She She goes on. She goes on to to describe 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.920 the practice of witchcraft using like a cult, formulations, incantations, 0:08:30.960 --> 0:08:36.360 magical mutterings, peeping and chirping. Now it says, it says chirping, parenthesis, 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:42.480 criminal hypnosis, parenthesis. Oh okay, that's chirping. That's what I'm glad, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:44.719 she clar up. That's what makes a good writer is 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:51.199 when you you you anticipate the questions chirping, criminal hypnosis. Yeah, 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:55.640 that great writer would have further explained, is that hypnosis 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.600 that is itself criminal? It is that is hypnosis on 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.559 a criminal as it nosis that makes you criminal, not 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:05.240 it does not give you any indication real mystery. Yeah, 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.960 so uh she she she basically rounds up all all 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.080 different types of of kind of magic and hildism into this, 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:15.920 into this banner of witchcraft. Um. She said that there's 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.400 there's no distinction to be made between witchcraft and sorcery, 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.280 despite the erroneous claims that sorcery is diabolical and witchcraft 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.480 is creative art. Both are diabolical and devilish. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.520 I guess I I do agree with her that I 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.480 don't feel like there's a meaningful distinction between craft and 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:36.280 sorcery um, and that they're both things from from from 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.360 your books that you read as a kid. But so 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.000 the first thing she gets into in witchcraft, I think 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.360 is this. It is a weird intro, but I guess 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.520 it makes sense from like her perspective is demon possession. 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.280 So this is the first the first like technique that 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.240 she gets into. Demon demon possession is a result of 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:57.600 which is of witchcraft. Incantation in diabolical whichcraft the which 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.480 voluntarily invites the devil and his and his demon spirits, 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.520 who are sometimes referred to as the goddess or god 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:06.280 or the host of a particular names of a particular 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.640 deity for each society, However, there's a difference between demon 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:15.360 possession through deliberate invocation than demon possession by demonic internal 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:19.160 attack up on helpless and often unsuspecting suspects. Possession is 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.680 often a common aftermath of certain illness, of certain forms 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.400 of certain illnesses, such as strokes. So she says that 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.120 the most that one of the easiest ways to figure 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.440 out if you're possessed if you have a stroke, also 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.800 if you have if you have epilepsy or coma. This 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.920 is really you know, my my, my, my grandpa was 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:43.760 pretty hard into demonology. There at the end, I's man. 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:49.760 And one of the fun things about this book though, 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.520 is that she really tries to hammer down in all 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:56.240 of like the biblical examples of witchcraft, which there is 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.800 like a few. Ye, it's the Bible. There's lots of 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:03.000 wacky magic. She really tries to convince like her Christian readers, 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.400 that witchcraft is a current problem to be worried with 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.840 um because she is, she's kind of upset that people 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.679 view it as like a fake thing. She's like, no, 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.720 it's real. It's in the Bible. You have to be 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.080 scared of it. Um, the God's word authenticates the reality. 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:19.160 Witchcraft therefore is not mere superstition. So a lot of 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.400 a lot of this is her trying to her trying 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.760 to scare people into believing that witchcraft is actually is 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:29.280 a is an ongoing problem. Yeah. She says that the 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.040 familiar spirits of witches spoken of in the Bible are 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.800 referred to in folk history as dwarfs, fairies, trolls. I 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:37.280 don't know where this one is. What what's was this 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:43.280 was this? I don't Well, they're usually like a cr 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.880 one or less little monster, a little bit of reptilian 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.120 things often found in dungeons. If you've got a low 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:50.959 level party you want to bring them up against. I mean, 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:52.760 Cobalds are one of the things that you could have 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.319 them go up against. Personally. I have not encountered them 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.680 weird games. Yeah, they're they're little little little little lizard 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:03.480 tye type goblin things. Yeah. So those guys, dwarves, fairies, trolls, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.320 and other small spirits of Northern folklore. They can be 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.920 friendly mischievous or malignant. In folklore, they were purported as 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.280 nature spirits. This is the other thing she really hammers 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.679 down on is that if you like nature, that means 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:20.640 that you're actually a Satanist. That that does remind me 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.960 of my explore Nature, Hail Satan shirt, which is my 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.440 favorite shirt. Yeah, that is mean that that you do. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.600 That is a very good shirt. It's pretty good. So 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.840 she she traces back the origin of magic to the 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.280 fall of man at the beginning of human history, as 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.720 as said in the book, is that where we got magic. 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:41.160 That's what she says. Um, she says so bracically. The 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:45.640 way she explains it is that you know magic and 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:47.120 this is something actual kind of a group. It's like 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.920 magic is the idea of like that you are kind 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.800 of on your way to become God in some way. Um, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.319 this is this, Wait, you believe that, all right, we 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.000 don't need to get in terms of like in terms 0:12:58.040 --> 0:12:59.760 of like in terms of like chaos. Magic it's like 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.720 you're trying to like increase your own ability to have 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.760 power over you, like your own life and that of 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.840 the idea. So what she says is that basically in 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.320 the fall of in Genesis, when Eve tried to eat 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.240 the try to eat the fruit fruit of the knowledge 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.880 of the of good and evil. This was her attach like, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.200 this was her attemption to like gain god like power. 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.040 God can see good and evil. At the time, man 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.880 could only see good. So when Eve ate the fruit, 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.960 she was trying to become like God. She was taking 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:31.000 agency over her existence and her fact eating the fruit 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.160 to gave her the magic power to see good and evil, right, 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:35.280 which is what which we have now. So this is how, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:37.240 this is how she tricks back the origin of magic. 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.719 She's a biblical she's obviously because you know she's a 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.040 conservative Baptist. She has a biblical literalist. She reads The 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.160 Garden of Bean as a literal historical tale, not as 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:47.960 like a piece of poetry or art meant to like 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.360 symbolize things and culture, like it was obviously written as 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.640 Um okay, I mean, there's a lot of a lot 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:02.360 of misogyny in this book. Um sorry, Dr Billy Sorry, 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.520 there is a lot. She rails against feminism later on, 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:08.000 and there's a lot of hatred because like Eve was 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.679 the one that ate the fruit, so the woman's fault, 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.000 like the woman is like the tempter of man. It's 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.400 always their fault. That's that's very well tread evangelical ground. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:18.520 Although it is extra fun when it's a woman who 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.280 is hating on ye. And it's easier because this whole 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.520 chapter is about witches and which is a typically feminine um. 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.960 But she she does say that there's like wizards and warlocks, 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.200 but she just kind of ropes them all together. They 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.120 searched a second ago and I couldn't find any evidence 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.120 that she wrote books about Harry Potter. M This was 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.200 written to us in six so from what I've read, 0:14:40.320 --> 0:14:42.560 I have not seen Harry Potter mentioned in this. So 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:45.280 far fascinating, is boy? That piste off a lot of 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.200 people who are otherwise very similar to Yeah, it sure did. Yeah, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:54.240 So yeah, let's see she is. She she is very 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:58.320 concerned that that satanism and witchcraft is basically a re 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.560 re in vention of paganism um. And she finds this 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:04.560 to be incredibly disturbing and tied into a whole bunch 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.360 of like all like the woo woo spiritual stuff of 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.960 the nineties. Is also very concerned about She says millions 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.520 are now involved in some manner of ancient magical practice 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:13.800 and rights ranging from walking on hot coals with no 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:16.680 ill effect, to booking knives through flesh without creating wounds, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.640 to reading from blind eye sockets or from sighted eyes 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:22.000 which have been masks, to magically filling the cade teeth 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.040 with gold, which I don't know is that is that 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:27.680 just dentistry? What is she referring to? Yeah, seem like 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.280 I have parents who have like gold filings. A lot 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:35.240 of people that doesn't, Um, that's witchcraft. I don't think 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:40.480 that is witchcraft. Well in a way that it it 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.400 makes money disappear. Also, it's I would I would compare 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.480 most dentistry to more like armed robbery. But sure, I 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:51.800 haven't had great dentist experiences. Yeah, I mean I'm not 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.040 a big dentist. Dentists or bastards would be my contention. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.320 So yeah, she she She says that basically, the sign 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.080 of the of the new uptick magic around this is 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.080 a round to us, and six this is random. Panic 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.040 was the sign of the end times. Magic is the 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.200 colossal revolt against God, whose satanic purpose is to instill 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.760 in fallen man the desire to be a god. Try 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.720 to say, cool, that sounds rash, Yeah, I mean that 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:18.160 is that's also the Mormon faith more or less. I'm 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.680 sure she has opinions about more. We're gonna at her 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:27.400 opinions on the Irish Lader so good, oh good, oh fantastic. Yeah, 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:30.520 she has a lot of that. She's real, real punchy 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:34.320 towards the Papists. So she does break down the difference 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.680 that she she sees between black magic, white magic, and 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:39.480 what she calls a neutral magic. Um. She says that 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.040 the term black magic refers to the direct league with 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.040 Satan himself, often involving an actual blood pact of allegiance, 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.360 so that she she thinks that the black magic is 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:53.920 when you directly involve Satan, okay, and white magic is 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:57.320 merely black magic in a in a in a mask. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.840 It may it may deceptively employ the names of Jesus, Christ, 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.640 the Father, and the Holy Spirit magically, along with other 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:06.720 Bible phrases and the Christian terminology, but this facade is 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.520 covering its demonic character, so she thinks that even though 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.040 they may use so this is interesting. Like she she 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.480 complains here that white magic uses the names of God 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.960 and Jesus and in its magic, but later on in 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:22.200 in the book she complains that no magic uses God's name. 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:25.119 So that's the fun thing that we'll talk about, um. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:28.520 And then and then for neutral magic UM, she says, 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.520 the devil shrouds himself with nature. He is referred to 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.880 he is. Oh boy, he's that. That's that's her take 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:39.320 on Wicca. Huh, he is. He has revered as Mother 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.760 Nature and worship in the door by which is under 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:48.119 this deluding guy's neutral magic. Satan just stresses up as 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.240 leaves and that's how Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, Wicca 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.480 only gets one mention in this actually, Yeah, but she's 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:55.280 clearly like that's what she's talking about. I mean, she 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.400 talks about a lot of like she she uses these 0:17:57.480 --> 0:18:00.520 terms very loose. She's got a lot of gradients. Yeah, 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:06.160 a lot of gradients. Yeah. Uh. She has a small 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.080 section on magical ceremonies and symbolism and kind of actually 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:11.600 lays out kind of how magic works in terms of 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.960 like using like like like this, like symbolic objects and 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.960 incantation and like calling upon powers, which is a more 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:21.600 like traditional magic. UM. I find it more fun to 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:23.800 call on fake characters because it's very silly, which is 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.399 more of a more of a chaos magic thing, UM, 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.240 because the more silly again, I think the more fun 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.920 it is. Then she does have a nice section on initiation, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:36.480 rites and rituals, which gets into the really good Satanic 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:40.840 panic stuff. So she she she describes the you know, 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.639 a covid of of which is coming together to have 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:48.320 sex with the devil um usually maybe in like symbolically 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:50.200 with like a male leader of a cult or something. 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.840 But then she says, when the initiation has been completed, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.359 the devil worship takes part in a parody of the sacrament, 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.200 many times bringing in the bodies of children who the 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.520 who whom they have murdered. Good. Yeah, that's the good ship. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.760 That's the good ship. In America alone, there are over 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:09.920 one million missing children at any time. Many of these 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:12.439 children who are never found or seen again are victims 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.760 of satanically controlled perverts who do the grossest forms of evil. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.320 Of many more are the victims of witchcraft and incantations 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:24.320 and other rights. Oh that's great. These children who are 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.880 being stolen at an astonishingly at an astonishing rate each day, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.000 may be stolen from unbelievers homes or they maybe children 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.520 can see by the witches themselves at regularly held sexual orgies. 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.080 Witches are that that's an old one, that witches are 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:42.200 having orgy babies and like not reporting them to Yeah, 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.840 the children are often offered up a sacrifice to the devil, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.679 and some ceremonies that which has may boil the children's bodies, 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.280 mix them with lobes and substances, or then they consume 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.919 the children's bodies in the blood ritual parody of the 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:57.399 Lord's supper. So that's fun. And I do like that 0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.920 this idea never went anywhere and is not and as 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.119 not an important part of the USS politics now No, no, no, 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:09.919 of course not nope. Um, yeah, you love to hear it. 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:12.120 That's pretty good. That is that is that is fun. 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.280 She she does have a small section on a pagan music. Magic, religion, 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:19.879 and sorcery are some of the means used by the 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:21.840 devil for the purpose of luring men away from the 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.560 Christian truth. The heavy metal, punk, hip hop and other 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:33.280 such abuse of confining the Western European world. Okay, yeah, no, no, yeah, 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:39.280 I remember it actually gets quite more racist and not 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:46.480 it's counterpart of the hypnotic traits inducing inducing drum rhythms 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.960 employed throughout the whole world by the African nations through 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.760 the millions, which the insidious and evil MSR the devil 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.280 and setting them to sexual lust in Satan worship. It 0:20:57.400 --> 0:20:59.720 is incredible that in two thousand six she's doing the 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.919 people music is the Devil and she is also like 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.600 black which is very safe. That's incredible. Yeah, it's uh yeah, 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:09.639 unfortunate would be a word for it. Yeah, well I 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:11.800 is it? Is it time for an AD break? I'm 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:13.640 not looking at the close. Yeah, it's probably about time 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:23.080 for an ad break. Speaking of oh oh boy, yeah, 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.959 speaking of millions of missing children. Maybe some of them 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:30.159 are in these ads. We're back putting more children in 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:34.200 the cauldron. Oh we're recording. Sorry, anyway, back to back 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:38.040 to reading this magnificent two hundred page book by dr 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:45.240 I've read the first hundred pages because after that it's 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:47.879 just the same words rewritten again and again in different 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:51.760 in different combinations. Like it's just it's just the same stuff. Um. 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.880 So the next section is this is this is again 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.680 I'm skipping over a lot of stuff, but this is 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:58.879 like the rough this is the most fun sections of 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.879 her stuff on magic and which is um. Now we 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.359 have her section called Halloween Satan's New Year. Um. She 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.280 she starts by explanning, which is, celebrate eight major festivals 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:12.120 or sabbats each year. Halloween is the primary annual festival 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:16.000 commemorating Satan's new year. Yeah. She then goes on to 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.480 explain that the Sabbat is a parody of the holy 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.399 Sabbath of God. Now, this is actually really interesting kind 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.240 of historical tidbits. So, yes, the words Sabbat in terms 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.760 of which is does come from does come from like 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:34.800 the Sabbath, This actually probably comes from, uh, the persecution 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.439 of which is being heavily tied to anti Semitism in 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.119 the Middle Ages. The first witch hunting book was called 0:22:41.119 --> 0:22:45.520 The Hammer of the Witches Um and it is Yeah, 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:48.200 and it is large port large portions of which are 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:51.360 plagiarized from a previous book called Hammer of the Jews. 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.840 Entire sections are copying paste. But they just change the 0:22:55.880 --> 0:22:58.480 word Jews to which And you really had to put 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:04.240 the effort into plagiarism back because your hand hand. No, 0:23:04.400 --> 0:23:06.520 you're doing the whole thing yourself. This is also where 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:09.000 like a lot of like the pointy hat, which stuff 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:11.720 a lot of like the big nose with like like 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.280 like a really big nose, green oily skin like all 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:16.800 the stuff kind of comes from anti Semitic tropes because 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:20.400 the persecution of Jews and the Semitism was heavily tied 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.000 to the persecusion of which is often one of the 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:24.119 same things. So when they would so then when they 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.679 would do Sabbath, uh, they would they would say, like 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.080 they're doing like a sabot. They're going to They're going 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:32.439 to basically do like blood libel with children and with 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:33.960 the devil, which is which is which is what a 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:36.960 lot of witches are about, like finding children and stuff, 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:38.600 because it actually is tied to all the stuff. Now, 0:23:38.600 --> 0:23:40.520 I'm not saying we have to cancel witchcraft, which if 0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:42.280 is totally fine, you can do all this stuff. It 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.520 is really cool. But the a lot of the origins 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:49.320 of which hunting is tied to these antis anti Semitic tropes. UM. 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.520 So anyway, she she goes to describe different like pagan 0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:56.359 like festivals throughout the years, um with like like le 0:23:56.480 --> 0:23:58.320 and all this kind of stuff, Midsummer blah blah blah 0:23:58.320 --> 0:24:01.080 blah blah. And the last one the eighth one. It's 0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.879 October three one or Halloween, because she calls the the 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:09.120 unholy Satanic New Year. UM. She says that the rights 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.920 and ceremonies and which Halloween was originally observed had their 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.000 origin among the Druids. In the course of time, there 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:17.600 were added to them some of the rights, particular to 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.440 the Roman festival of Panama, which is which presided over 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.520 the harvests. November first among the Druids was the beginning 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:26.320 of the year and the festival of the Sun God. 0:24:26.359 --> 0:24:28.800 They lighted fires in honor of their false god. They 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:30.679 believe that October thirty one, to the end of the 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.480 old year, the Lord of Death, which she puts in 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.320 apprentices the devil. Oh good, I'm really, I'm really again 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:40.480 very appreciative of how of how clear her writing is. 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:42.639 So the Lord of Death gather gathered together all the 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:44.320 souls of the dead who had been allowed to enter 0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:46.960 the body of another human being. The belief is that 0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:49.440 the root this belief is the root of the false 0:24:49.480 --> 0:24:52.440 belief and reincarnation. Now I did not fact fact check 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.680 any of this, so I have no idea how how 0:24:54.720 --> 0:24:57.320 accurate these these claims are for what she views as 0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:00.840 the origin of Halloween. But I think they're pretty funny. Um, 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:02.639 I know, like there is Halloween like Halloween kind of 0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:04.920 traditions are are there is like stuff around this time 0:25:04.960 --> 0:25:07.199 throughout a lot of like old pagan stuff. Like the 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:11.000 modern notion of Halloween is pretty pretty modern, like the 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.880 whole like tricker treating thing and all. Like the way 0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.520 we modernly think of Halloween is pretty it's pretty new, 0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:18.639 because I mean there was of course, like All Hallow's 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:21.480 Day or like All Saints Day and the Eva which 0:25:21.880 --> 0:25:24.879 other people would do Shenanigans, which is what we currently 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:26.840 have as Halloween. That's the day before All Saints Day. 0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.399 All Saints Day is November one. Um, Like, you know, 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:31.919 the modern notion of Halloween is not it's not super old. 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:36.200 So I'm not quite sure how tied these old harvest 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.879 festivals really are to our modern Halloween. That's something I 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:40.840 could look into later, But I just picked up this 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.280 book and I'm reading right from it because that's easier. 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.520 So yeah, so she views Halloween now as like a 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:51.439 as a pagan the pagan holiday. Um, this pagan festival, 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.080 Halloween is it broadly celebrated throughout the Christian nations as 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:57.359 a major holiday. In America, Halloween has become a kind 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:01.800 of saturnalia for children, a night in which the rules 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.639 are suspended and children venture out to demand streets and 0:26:04.720 --> 0:26:08.639 certain reprisals against the dingy. Yeah, okay, I mean that 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:11.840 is a cooler way of looking at Halloween. If it 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.960 were literally the saturnality a children would actually take the 0:26:15.080 --> 0:26:17.720 role of the parents and make decisions for the family 0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:20.679 and demand Yeah, I mean parents would have to go 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.840 to school, kids would have to go to work. That 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.800 would actually be an incredible that would be that would 0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.760 so many people would die in plane crash, but it 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:30.840 would be especially if you enforced it, Like you don't 0:26:30.840 --> 0:26:35.000 have a choice. You're you are piloting the plane today, 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.520 a bunch of other kids are getting on it to 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:39.800 go on work. The kids on air traffic ConTroll they 0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:41.919 don't know what they're doing either. Forcing all of the 0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:44.399 soldiers out of the various countries we put them in and 0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:47.040 and having like the children of Special Forces guys conduct 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.000 raids in the Midia, It is pretty easy for a 0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:51.520 kids to use an AK so it is a rs 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.000 even easier. Yeah, it would be funny. Yeah, a lot 0:26:54.000 --> 0:26:55.919 of people are not going to have very successful heart 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:58.800 surgeries that, but it will be very funny in like 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:02.920 a cosmic sense. Increasingly and alarmingly, this celebration is assuming 0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:07.040 dreadful expressions of evil and harmful acts are perpetuated against 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:11.080 the children themselves. In serious proportions. The treats are increasingly 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:15.760 found to contain drugs, poisons, razor blades, needles, ground grass, 0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:21.800 and many other harms. Oh I I didn't. I didn't 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.440 even think of that, because that's like needles and grass. Yeah, 0:27:25.440 --> 0:27:29.520 oh no, grass, So yeah, she she, she does seem really, 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.919 really really thrilled with this idea that the people are 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:38.120 giving out free drugs, which, man, what a dream I wish. Um. Halloween, 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.240 like Christmas, is also highly commercialized and it's part of 0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:45.199 a major money making event for the merchants. Okay, breaking 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.119 in at the present time second only to Christmas in 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:52.160 that vein. Halloween is the Satanic New Year, and as 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:54.320 a celebration of the devil and is he's using the 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:58.200 world today to gain greater acceptance of the perversity as 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:02.359 he continues to prol mate his doctrine of demons. So 0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.120 that that is fun um. Then she has a very 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:08.080 small section on old world Halloween traditions, which I'm not 0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.320 going to read tons of because again, I don't know 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.600 how verified these things are. But I am going to 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:14.639 read like and she she goes on to talk about 0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:16.760 like how like the laws against witchcraft and like the 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:22.000 six hundreds and stuff. Um she was, she was, but 0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.520 I do I will read just the first sentence of 0:28:24.560 --> 0:28:30.840 the Old World Halloween Traditions section Irish Traditions Devilition. Yeah, 0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.159 here that Irish We're coming for you. Bring it on, 0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:37.920 devil origin, various methods of finding the future and Halloween 0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.120 we're accepted as tradition. So that that's really all I'm 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.160 gonna say, because I just love the line Irish traditions 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.120 devilition in Richards. Yeah, I mean that's I think every 0:28:45.160 --> 0:28:47.640 Irish person I know would agree with that. That's really 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:53.280 all you gotta say. Yeah, oh man, it is it is. Wow, 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.040 what a what a book. It just keeps going on. 0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.640 So she talks about like the basically like the people's 0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:01.400 different Honestly, this there's not even tons about Halloween and 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.600 more about different people's belief in witchcraft. So like she 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.440 goes through like all the laws against witchcraft in Britain, 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:09.760 she goes against, like she goes she she talks around 0:29:09.920 --> 0:29:13.200 the witch trials in America, um, saying that there were 0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:17.960 witches but she doesn't talk about all the like, come on, 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:24.240 you coward. Yeah. Uh, it's it's pretty she she has. 0:29:24.000 --> 0:29:26.120 It's a little bit of I okay, I'm actually gonna 0:29:26.120 --> 0:29:29.680 read some of the stuff on on on America. Belief 0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:32.080 in witchcraft was common to the early settlers in America, 0:29:32.320 --> 0:29:34.720 but which is, were charged with making wex and images 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.959 of their victims and causing their illnesses by sticking pins 0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.200 in the image or making by sticking pins in the image, 0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:43.520 or making them waste away by melting the images before 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.120 the fire. This belief is held by the peoples of Africa, 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.040 as well as other pagan people in a and widely 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:53.720 varieting in widely varying civilizations and localities. The early settlers 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:56.680 do not initiate this belief in America, but found it 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.560 already to be belief in the American Indians who populated 0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.760 this country. So that that's her little section on that, 0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.920 which is I don't know, hashtag problematic, Yeah, I would, 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:08.680 I would call that slightly problemat I would call it 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:12.880 slightly problems. You know what's not problematic? Garrison the products 0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:17.440 and services that are gonna hopefully sell candy kids. We 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.800 we guarantee that less than a third of them are 0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:25.280 responsible for the disappearance of a million children, million children. 0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.760 That's the behind the bastards guaranteed less than a third 0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:31.040 of our sponsors who are undocumented too, well, yeah, but 0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.800 which is making them so much more. It's likely much more. 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:38.000 But anyway, here's the ads, here's the ads. Ah, we're back, 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:41.880 we are all right. Bring it home, Garrison, bring it home. 0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.240 So yeah, she she does mention that the devil likes 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.800 to withhold the fact of existence of witchcraft, like the 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:52.040 devil likes to height. So most people kind of live 0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:55.560 in the dark. Um, she says. Although the imps which 0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.680 frolic on Halloween and now are small children raping on 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:03.120 doors and gleefully seeving treats, wrapping on doors, wrapping on doors, 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:07.520 not raping on doors. That's a very different, very different holiday. Well, 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:12.280 who knows, that might be Canadian things. That's Canadian Halloween. 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:15.560 The night which was formally accepted as the time when 0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:17.720 witches met and demons in the form of ghosts and 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.080 ghoules who are likely to wander about, has come to 0:31:20.080 --> 0:31:23.120 be regarded that's a time of merrymaking and frolic. The 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:26.160 majority of people are so engaged and are unaware if 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:29.840 they satanic consultation of the magic oracles and the Covin's 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:35.800 and groves on this night. I say, cons that's not 0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:38.200 how you say it, Well, that's how I say it. 0:31:38.280 --> 0:31:41.200 You just you just got COVID on the brain. COVID 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.640 is what you call a coven that meets during COVID 0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:48.200 because they're not properly socially distancing. All right, right, there 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:52.400 we go. But basically she thinks that basically these all 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:54.360 of the witches and magic doors are meeting, all these 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:59.560 ghouls and Halloween and people are unaware of this, very 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:03.520 extremely concerned that children might like walk in on a 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.200 ceremony and it didn't get murdered. Very funny when you 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:08.400 realize like how isolated these people are from the real 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:11.120 world because they've never just like stepped outside during Halloween, 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.640 not really like especially I mean Halloween and two that's 0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.120 in six I was eighteen then, So maybe I'm wrong, 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.520 but I think there was. It wasn't huge then, like 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.680 it's gotten kind of smaller every year. The biggest fear 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.440 back then was like traffic accidents. Yeah, that's always the biggest. 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.720 That's like the number one thing. Every year. Thinking back 0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:30.400 on it, my parents shouldn't have let me be a 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:34.880 ninja as often as they, But I made it through. Yeah, 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:36.880 it's like we're saying so many the same words. Again, 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:38.880 that's the most of the book is. But Halloween Satan's 0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.080 New Year. Halloween has a long and dark history of 0:32:42.120 --> 0:32:45.200 devilish traditions, which has survived both Christianity and the science 0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:47.640 for two thousand years. Is to be considered the chief 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:49.840 festival for the worship of the devil which begins his 0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:52.400 new year. Halloweena witchcraft for the means by which the 0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.280 devil seems to reintroduce the worship of old false gods 0:32:55.520 --> 0:33:01.560 by a synthesis of polytheism and feminism. Yeah, that's what halloweenas. 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:05.400 Polyphism and feminism, two sides of the same devil coin. 0:33:07.120 --> 0:33:10.720 I love to worship multiple gods and respect women. Just really, 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.680 that is my That's my way to spend a night 0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:17.800 with my ghoul friends. Incredible, there's also a real here's 0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.480 a real here's a real. Good quote. Um, there is 0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:23.280 no question of the existence of modern witchcraft. It has 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.280 been admitted. It has been admitted of by thousands upon 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:30.160 thousands worldwide, and growing rapidly in the Western countries, particularly America. 0:33:30.600 --> 0:33:33.280 The word of God makes it undeniably clear that witchcraft 0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:35.920 is real. It has existed at least six thousand years, 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.760 and it still exists today. Oh good, yeah, that's good. 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.720 Six thousand years going good. Good for happy six thousands. 0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.040 Just like that, she add so that it's a little 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.040 been around for all these six happy six thousands, six 0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:49.960 six thousand years witchcraft on. I'm guessing because it's the 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.680 new year, this is also the birthday of witchcraft. I 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:56.320 mean also just the birthday of the world. Because if 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.320 the world as we know was, if the world as 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:01.520 we know it was when Eve ate the fruit and 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.760 was Adam and Eve went into the greater world, if 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.000 that's like the birth of Dawn, which has been here 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:08.279 since the very beginning, well since the beginning of like 0:34:08.480 --> 0:34:10.960 the fallen world, because you have to assume that they 0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.720 had a hundred years or so beforehand. It's real unclear 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.360 this it depends on what It depends on what denomination 0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:19.640 you're in and what kind of theological viewpoint you have 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:22.319 on whether there were people outside the garden there as 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.480 people who believe that some people just don't um that 0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:30.719 is up for debate among different congregations. Yeah, so and 0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.640 and and the other thing that she's really concerned with 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.120 is that witchcraft is making more people have sex, because 0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:39.120 she she thinks that most of witchcraft is practicing sexual 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.759 orgies on quote every continent of the world. Um. And 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:44.080 that's what that's what, that's that's what black masses to her, 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.960 So she is she's very concerned. I mean, there's are 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:52.200 and sometimes in black masses sexual elements to them, I hope. 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:54.880 So that is that it does sound much better, but 0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.200 she she thinks that that's another one of the main 0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.239 catalysts of her being fearful of of paganism and witchcraft 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.759 is that is making more people have sex. Um. And 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.120 again she reiterates that this is just a new form 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.080 of paganism, saying that Satan's current day revival of paganism 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:14.920 it's a sure sign of Christ's second coming and it's 0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:16.960 it's pretty good. Oh. This this is the section where 0:35:16.960 --> 0:35:19.880 she where she complains that magic doesn't use the Bible, 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:22.640 even though previously she said that white magic does. Because 0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:25.279 some magic some which is drawn other false religions such 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:29.279 as the Kabbala, uh Sufism, or various Eastern religions, but 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.440 never the Holy Bible, the Word of God, or is 0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.360 employed in their beliefs or practices, except in a paradoxical 0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:39.200 counterfeit imaginative magic, rites and rituals performed in the in 0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:43.640 the Covin's in the initiation of the converts and their 0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.839 celebrations of Halloween and other Satanic sabots. So that's that's 0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:52.360 that's that's what she thinks I mean. But honestly, I'm 0:35:52.360 --> 0:35:57.160 pretty sure it's like the Shabbas, it's the Sabbath, it's 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.680 I've I've heard Covin and Saba in the stuff, right, 0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.920 So alright, alright, let's have let's have a debate everyone, 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.400 everyone at no, don't don't do that. Um. She also 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:10.640 claims that this is this is this is very exciting. 0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.600 Several universities in America offer a bachelor's degree in magic. 0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:18.719 I was unaware. Oh I would love a bat unaware 0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.560 of because this will read now, well, this will make 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.200 me consider going to college. Now a bachelor's degree? Is 0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:28.719 that a a b A or is that a BS? Like? 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:30.520 Is that like? Is it a Bachelor of Arts or 0:36:30.560 --> 0:36:32.760 of science? And really that's a that's a key question. 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:35.880 About how the school match magic is both in our science. 0:36:36.000 --> 0:36:38.640 So yeah, well that's why I'm wondering. And she doesn't say, 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:41.960 she doesn't say what university she claims does this. I mean, 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:44.719 I've always wanted to open a witchcraft store, so I 0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:48.840 made to get a b a in or a bs 0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:54.759 in witchcraft along with my m f A. What's the 0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:58.680 business thing? What they don't I don't want to fill 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.640 it in with the acronym from the is a misdegree. 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:02.560 Whatever you get, I don't know we I've dropped out 0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:04.800 of college. Garrison hasn't gone. Yeah, I went to I 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.879 went to film school. That doesn't count though it doesn't 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:13.160 it absolutely does not. Um. Yeah. And then in this 0:37:13.239 --> 0:37:16.280 last section she really ties modern witchcraft to the rise 0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:19.799 of feminism UM, specifically starting in the sixties. She says 0:37:19.840 --> 0:37:22.279 the pre eminence of the goddess and witchcraft hasn't made 0:37:22.280 --> 0:37:25.960 an attractive to some feminists. In nineteen sixty eight, which 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:30.560 the Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell, funded as a 0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:35.080 great acronym, AMAZING was founded as a political protist group 0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:38.759 who who purport who purportedly justified their name as mere 0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:42.000 jest ah it is what a what a good name, 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:47.280 which women international. Quite an exciting um, quite an exciting 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:50.799 back when we could have fun and activism. That does 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.320 sound amazing. Many of the members of this feminist movement 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:57.400 are unaware of the cultural movement within the political and 0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.880 many are are more, and many more are entirely unaware 0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:04.400 of the spiritualist movement within the cultural moment. So a 0:38:04.440 --> 0:38:07.880 whole bunch of weird stuff around. How whiches are using 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:13.000 political feminism to inject cultural feminism, to inject cultural witchcraft 0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:15.080 into the mainstream. This is all what the goal of 0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:19.160 feminism is. Um so yeah, and she has this whole 0:38:19.239 --> 0:38:24.000 whole pair of feminist feminist witches. Feminist witchcraft is at 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.160 present the most rapidly growing segment in the Witchcraft revival. 0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.040 And it is from the spiritual core at the heart 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.480 of the feminist movement that the political and philosophical women's 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:35.480 rights tenants as a whole emerge. To name what to 0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:38.960 name one such tenant the rights to abortion, or more 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.640 correctly phrased, the might the rights to murder children not 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:44.480 yet born. This this coincides with the which is present 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.759 ritual practice of murdering children already born. So she thinks 0:38:47.800 --> 0:38:54.200 that abortion is just a way for which is to 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:56.719 to speed up the ritual process. Yeah, that that is 0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.440 what that is her that that's her main bomb at 0:38:59.440 --> 0:39:03.800 the That sounds that sounds accurate. Um, she doesn't just 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:06.720 have a great section describing the different tools which is used. 0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:13.920 Um and and uh. An athlete. A phallic penis symbol 0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:17.800 of the liberated, unbridled, auto lawful sex represents the power 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:23.080 of self will. It's pretty pretty good. Sexual symbols are 0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.440 common in witchcraft and which is, are unrepressed by God's 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:30.000 mortal law in their sexuality. Their use of sex symbols 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.080 is rooted in paganism. So again, she's very scary that 0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.799 people are having sex and enjoying it, specifically women. She's 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:37.960 very scared that women are having sex and enjoying it. 0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:43.640 Sounds right. I hate it when the people pushing this 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.120 line are themselves women, But it does. I mean, that's 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:50.520 a huge part of the evangelical propaganda movement. Yeah, see 0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.160 a bunch of ship, Margaret Atwood wrote. You know, now 0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:56.560 she gets to describe some some of the coolest parts here. 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.959 A typical which is Sabbath celebration will have a sky 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.920 i clad parenthesis, nude pentis, which is gathered in an 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.239 isolated place a grove of trees, if possible, around an 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:10.200 altar which holds an icon or statuary of a false 0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.520 goddess and or God's, and candles for fire, a child's 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.640 for water or wine, a container of salt and a 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:20.200 container for earth rather than the bread, and a sword 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.880 or a wand which sounds amazing to just have a 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:26.080 whole bunch of naked which is in the forest around 0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:30.280 a ritual altar fire. This sounds like the best best 0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:32.719 time ever. It does sound like a good Saturday night. 0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:36.239 This does sound like a good who knows we can? 0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.560 We can, we can get wild? So yeah. She She 0:40:38.680 --> 0:40:41.239 goes in to describe what she thinks magical rituals are 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:43.239 and different things that she could do again. She is 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.560 very concerned. Ritual sex is engaged in to intensify the 0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:50.480 magical power raised in the cone of power combined wheels 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:54.880 of the coffin Witches is symbolized with a code shaped 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.000 hats see the typical pictures of which is in literature. 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:02.960 Are you fucking at me? Because nobody wearing one of 0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:05.920 those hats has ever gotten fucked? I feel confident say 0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:09.600 I wear that hat. All right, let's let's move forward, Garrison. 0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.800 That's not fair, allegedly, let's move forward. The Cone of Power. 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:20.480 Mm hmm, Yeah, the Cone of Power is is incredible 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:23.880 after raising, and it is phallic, so it must be 0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:26.680 for fucking After the raising and release of the Cone 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:29.560 of Power, a ritual covid communication with cakes and wine 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.799 which the priestess or priest has consecrated by dipping into 0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.120 the chalice and touching the cakes with other unholy tools, 0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.440 are passed on from a kiss from the priestess to 0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:43.400 the priest. Um. Basically, this just sounds like a fun time. Um. Yeah, 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.000 but I do love the Cone of Power, which I've 0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:48.040 not read in any other magic book. No, I have 0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:51.400 not ever heard of. I've read a decent amount, and 0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:54.880 I've never heard of the Cone of Power. Yeah. That 0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.360 feels like pure her. That feels like somebody who's deeply 0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.560 sexually frustrated seeing so happy it's kind of shape like 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:06.240 a dick, and being like, that's got to be poor lady. 0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.239 And then she she has a small section on Satanism, 0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.759 particularly like the iron Rand version of Satanism, So I'm 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.600 not even gonna get into that. I find that boring 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:17.799 and it doesn't matter, and and and and she even 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:20.200 says that these Satanists don't believe in an actual devil, 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:26.200 just a little the evil. So I'm not even gonna 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.439 bother with this section because it's just talking about the dumb, 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.359 iron rand version of Satanism. And I don't care about that. Um, 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.600 if you like it, I mean whatever. It has an 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:37.560 anarchistic stuff kind of but it's also very randy and 0:42:37.560 --> 0:42:39.000 and it has it has a lot of like, not 0:42:39.080 --> 0:42:42.040 great stuff either. I don't I it's fine and all 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:43.680 it all is more effort than I want to put 0:42:43.719 --> 0:42:47.600 into thinking about the universe. And then I think, I 0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:49.399 think this this could be. I think this is our last, 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.640 our last paragraph favorite. This section is called titled the 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:57.040 End of the Witches, Witches, our children of the Devil, 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:04.000 The end of the witches, sorry, the end of the witches. 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:08.200 Already before their idolterous altars, that they're depraved spots where 0:43:08.200 --> 0:43:11.440 they eat and drink and play their gross music and 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:16.080 sing and dance, naked and shameless and corrupt and defile 0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.839 themselves and desecrate God's holy Sabbath, shall surely be accomplished 0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:23.160 by God, who will put them, who'll put them to 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.960 death and cut off their souls forever among his children. 0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:32.600 So that's that's the end of the Witches. Everybody, We're 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:36.759 gonna be dancing naked, shamelessly, like having like an undeniably 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.240 good time, being able to dance naked and shame listening 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.400 to gross music and singing, what a time. Sounds like 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.480 the ideal weekend. And then and then God will put 0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:47.480 us to death. And it does sound a little bit 0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.640 like our last weekend. But it was very cold, so 0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:55.080 people were wearing Yeah, that is that is that is 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.000 most of that is most of the good parts of 0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.560 the book. Again, it gets two pages. Yeah, it's a 0:43:59.640 --> 0:44:02.799 nice easy read. Grab it, you know this weekend. It's 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:06.520 only ten bucks on Amazon. What a deal, what a steal? Yeah, 0:44:06.560 --> 0:44:08.839 And it is fun that she she does, Um, there 0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:12.440 is one there is one section where she like outlines 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.319 what all she thinks like magic is like all like 0:44:15.360 --> 0:44:17.960 all of like the different groups. Um, she puts them 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.120 into a really nice little package. But I don't think 0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:21.719 I can find that because again there's two hundred pages 0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:23.680 and I did not mark off that section. But I 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:26.759 think I think we decently got the gist of the 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:31.440 main main parts of this book. Um, again, most of 0:44:31.440 --> 0:44:34.759 it is just her talking about Jesus and and and 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.919 and the Christian soul. Um. But the one which which 0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:40.120 is of indoor section is pretty good and honestly worth 0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:43.160 the read. So that is my first book report of her. 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:45.520 It could happen here. All of you Satan's New Year 0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:50.200 beloved children, enjoyed this this this book and are are 0:44:50.280 --> 0:44:53.640 properly warned about the dangers of witchcraft which is coming 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.680 to make your children have a pretty red time. You're 0:44:56.680 --> 0:44:59.440 gonna dance in the woods listening to gross music. So 0:44:59.600 --> 0:45:02.320 I hope everyone on this Halloween danced in the woods 0:45:02.360 --> 0:45:04.680 listening to gross music. I hope those of you who 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:08.560 climactically could did so naked. Um. I hope none of 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.160 you got hit by cars while dressed as Ninja's and 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.319 I I also hope that most of you weren't out 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:15.480 trick or treating, because I think the average age of 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:17.839 our listeners is sometime in the mid twenties. That would 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:19.520 be a little bit of a little awkward, a little 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:22.120 bit weird, but hey, whatever, it's your life, your thing. 0:45:22.360 --> 0:45:26.120 Do you think, hello, everyone, Garrison here just going to 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:29.800 be adding in one quick correction for our Halloween Satan's 0:45:29.840 --> 0:45:33.239 New Year episode. So towards the end we made some 0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:38.400 assumptions about the the Code of Power which were apparently incorrect. 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:40.960 So the Code of Power does actually seem to be 0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:45.200 a thing inside ritual magic um, but particularly Wika. So 0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:47.960 I'm not super familiar with Wika. This is not this 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.240 is not my system of choice, so I was unaware 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:52.840 that this is actually a thing, but apparently apparently it is. 0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:54.880 It is. It is a method for centering or directing 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.000 or like raising energy. Um, well it is. It is 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.319 less tied to the which is had those so that 0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:05.040 part is is more um made up. I cannot find 0:46:05.160 --> 0:46:08.560 much tying the Cone of Power directly to like the 0:46:08.600 --> 0:46:11.200 cone shape, which is hats. This is mainly an invention 0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.359 of of of Doctor Billy from at least from from 0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:18.200 what I can tell. But apologies for assuming that the 0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:20.560 Cone of Power was completely made up and when in 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.360 fact it is a part of Worker. So sorry, sorry 0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.399 to the Wickens and the more proper witches for that, 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:32.400 for that, for that gross assumption on mine and Robert's part. Anyway, 0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:37.239 this wraps up our spooky week of content. I hope 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.560 you had a good Halloween. This episode should be releasing 0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:43.080 on Halloween itself, so I I hope you are having 0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:46.120 or had a good time, and hopefully you were able 0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:50.040 to celebrate Halloween Satan style just like it was designed to. 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:54.120 So goodbye everybody, see you on the other side and 0:46:54.560 --> 0:47:12.320 hopefully we can do Spooky Week again next year. Goodbye. 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:16.640 Oh welcome to it could happen here a podcast about 0:47:17.320 --> 0:47:19.319 well mostly it's about how things are bad, but it 0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:21.560 is also sometimes about what you can do about it. 0:47:22.080 --> 0:47:25.000 And today we have two people who are in fact 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.400 doing things about it. So with me we have a 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:32.000 Bra and Shanine, who are part of the Common Humanity Collective, 0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:36.040 which is a mutual a group out of California, um 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:37.759 clogen and Club Bra. How how are how are you 0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:43.160 doing today? Doing well? Thank you? Doing pretty good? Thank you. 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:46.400 So yeah, we wanted to have you too on to 0:47:46.440 --> 0:47:50.959 talk about basically your mutual aid work and then also 0:47:51.000 --> 0:47:52.560 the sort of political aspect of that because I know 0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.880 about something YouTube and wanting to talk about that. I've 0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.560 read the media coverage of it in it does not 0:47:58.719 --> 0:48:02.439 ever make it into the interview. So yeah, I guess 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:06.640 I guess to start. So you two started doing mutual 0:48:06.680 --> 0:48:10.120 aid stuff with with this group, specifically around the beginning 0:48:10.120 --> 0:48:11.839 of the pandemic. As I understand you know what, can 0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:13.960 you walk us through how it started and what you 0:48:13.960 --> 0:48:18.280 guys are up to? Absolutely, and I think it's interesting 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.560 to trace out the different stages of this work because 0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.319 it's very much BEND, a kind of evolution. So let 0:48:23.320 --> 0:48:25.640 me go back to the very very early days, and 0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:29.319 this is really the first day of lockdown UM in 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:32.280 the Bay Area where we live. I'm a PhD student 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:36.319 at UC Berkeley and UM. As COVID was spreading from 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.480 the East coast to the west, we knew that things 0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:43.319 would quickly get shut down in California UM. And there 0:48:43.400 --> 0:48:47.200 was someone in my lab, a good friend named Yvonne, 0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:52.600 and she and I just quickly realized that this pandemic 0:48:52.920 --> 0:48:56.360 was going to hit UM. Given the sort of crumbling 0:48:56.440 --> 0:49:03.320 public health infrastructure, the poorest among us, the elderly dispossessed UM, 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.560 these people would be vulnerable and as PPE just completely 0:49:07.840 --> 0:49:12.400 disappeared from store shelves. These people UM, especially those living 0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:17.359 in cramped housing conditions, those with essential work UH, those 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:21.160 in nursing homes just would not have access to UM 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:25.600 the tools they needed to protect themselves from this disease. UM. 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:27.880 And in the very early days, when we thought that 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.400 the stuff was transmitted via surfaces, UM, all of the 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:35.080 attention was focused on hand washing hand sanitizer. The problem 0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:38.399 was you couldn't even find hand sanitizer anywhere. So here 0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:42.000 we were in our labs and UM, you know, our 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:44.919 few moths weren't being used and everyone was getting sent home. 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:51.400 UM and UH, we realized that we could pull ethanol 0:49:51.520 --> 0:49:56.440 from the scientific re agent supply chains and stir up 0:49:56.480 --> 0:50:01.839 some hand sanitizer ourselves in lab and distribute it UM 0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.520 just to homeless shelters, to people who needed it in 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.520 the city, etcetera. UM. So this began as a very 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:11.840 sort of low key, quiet under the cover UM effort. 0:50:12.000 --> 0:50:14.960 And UM, you know, we didn't have a name. We 0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.399 didn't even know what mutual Aid was. I think we 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:21.440 were just following our basic instincts UM. And fast forward 0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:24.799 a week or two, and suddenly a whole lot of 0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:31.160 people got involved. UM. We had this elaborate distribution infrastructure 0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:34.920 which started sort of self assembling. UM. Lots of people 0:50:35.000 --> 0:50:38.360 came to find ways of getting the sanitizer to everyone 0:50:38.360 --> 0:50:41.520 who needed it in the meantime, we realized that as 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.839 the demand was enormous, we need to come up with 0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:48.279 ways of procuring the supplies UM and mixing it at 0:50:48.320 --> 0:50:51.399 scales that we didn't have to turn anyone down. So 0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.120 we called upon lots of different labs on campus and 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:55.719 asked them if they could do this, if they could 0:50:55.719 --> 0:51:00.759 shift some of their discretionary funds towards getting these chemicals UM. 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:05.160 And you know again, within a few weeks after that, 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.239 we were mixing hundreds of gallons of hand sanitizer and 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:12.520 delivering it to absolutely everyone who needed it. My phone 0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:17.360 was just getting UH called NonStop from the moment I 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.840 woke up to when I went to sleep, I was 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:23.480 forgetting to eat. I was barely sleeping. UM. Just responding 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:27.799 to these cries for help from all over the Bay area. UM. 0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:31.880 And in that time we met so many people UM 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:34.520 and we figured out how to do this work efficiently 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:38.919 and effectively. But also UM, as the attention shifted from 0:51:39.200 --> 0:51:44.480 surface transmission to aerosol transmission UM, everyone started realizing that, 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.799 in fact, masks were probably the primary way in which 0:51:46.800 --> 0:51:50.879 we protect ourselves from the coronavirus UM. And that's when 0:51:50.920 --> 0:51:53.560 a good friend of ours Chris, who was a PhD 0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:58.080 student that he's now a post a brilliant, brilliant creative guy, 0:51:58.360 --> 0:52:01.880 came up with ways of that actually making sub micron 0:52:02.360 --> 0:52:06.680 masks out of just UH supply chains that weren't getting 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:10.120 tapped UM. So initially these were shop towels, and then 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:13.480 he started looking at NANI fiber material UM and he 0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:16.840 found ways of for around sixty cents making a mass 0:52:16.920 --> 0:52:19.319 that was basically the quality of an N ninety five 0:52:19.440 --> 0:52:21.360 mass that could be made in just a few minutes 0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:25.799 at home UM. And so we suddenly just integrated that 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:29.839 whole effort into our own and started just recruiting volunteers, 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:36.160 sharing all of our resources, and UM this large assembly 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:40.560 network of these little pods situated all across the Bay Area, 0:52:40.680 --> 0:52:43.439 each of them with a team lead with a little army, 0:52:43.520 --> 0:52:47.680 a battalion of assembly volunteers and dedicated drivers were just 0:52:47.800 --> 0:52:51.160 making thousands of these mass every week, which we were 0:52:51.200 --> 0:52:55.399 then distributing through the the distribution infrastructure that we had 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:59.440 UH sort of put together earlier on in the pandemic. 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.040 And so we found ourselves and this was still very 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.280 much in a time when you couldn't even find cloth 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:08.800 masks or surgical masks and shops, we found ourselves astonishingly 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:14.200 being the primary source of this essential ppe for tens 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:17.160 and tens of thousands of people in the Bay Area. 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.600 And as we were covered in the early days by 0:53:19.600 --> 0:53:22.280 the Chronicle in the l A Times, loads of people 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:27.200 started joining the volunteer network, we started getting donations and uh, 0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:30.799 that was the earlier stage of what we did, and 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.200 I'll pass it on to Jinine to talk about what 0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:37.280 we did next. Yeah, So, kind of as UM Common 0:53:37.360 --> 0:53:41.520 Humanity Collective was working on this project up Bar, myself 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:44.759 and a couple other folks started adopting kind of a 0:53:44.840 --> 0:53:47.360 Democratic Socialists of America or East by d S A 0:53:47.480 --> 0:53:50.440 side of what was happening UM. And through this project 0:53:50.560 --> 0:53:53.960 our intent was to UM have a little bit more 0:53:54.000 --> 0:53:57.560 political education and think really critically about how we could 0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.360 make this true mutual aid, which A Row and I 0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:04.960 have learned is really really difficult to do, especially under capitalism. UM. 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:09.160 And so because we started this project around December, so 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:11.440 kind of the height of the pandemic, we wanted to 0:54:11.440 --> 0:54:15.080 make it accessible for people who were really COVID cautious UM, 0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:17.600 and so we would assemble kits of masks in a 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.640 park with a couple of folks outside, and then we 0:54:20.680 --> 0:54:23.759 would drive these kits to people's homes and get on 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.640 zoom UM and we would have a breakout room for 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:30.239 people to learn how to make masks. UM. People oftentimes 0:54:30.239 --> 0:54:32.200 people who had only come to the build a couple 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:35.400 of times started teaching new folks how to build these masks. 0:54:35.880 --> 0:54:38.040 And in the other room we were doing readings. UM. 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:41.080 We were reading you know, Panna Cook and Jane mciwy 0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:43.920 b side by side talking about you know, trade unions 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:48.359 and solidarity unionism. We were reading about tenant organizing. UM 0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:50.440 a bar. Do you want to talk about Rosa Luxemburg 0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.960 a little bit? Yeah, I mean it was an amazing thing. 0:54:53.080 --> 0:55:00.160 We were trying to sort of expand our own political consciousness, 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:04.160 and we did things like host to three part series 0:55:04.440 --> 0:55:11.439 just discussing, examining, analyzing the political theory of Rosa Luxembourg UM. 0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:13.960 And we had huge participation. And this was at a 0:55:14.000 --> 0:55:17.080 time where in our d SA chapter UM and many 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:19.600 of the different committees people were panicking because no one 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:23.920 was showing up UM, and yet we found an enormous 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:27.759 number of people joining our effort in these discussions were 0:55:27.840 --> 0:55:32.880 so energetic and so enthusiastic. Um. And you know, this 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:34.920 was a lonely time. It was a difficult time, and 0:55:34.960 --> 0:55:37.359 people seemed to find something and what we were doing. 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.120 What do you think about that, Jennie, Yeah, and I 0:55:40.160 --> 0:55:42.920 think you know, not only were people coming and participating, right, 0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:45.319 we had high school students. We had people who had 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:48.640 dedicated the pandemic to reading political theory, right, and so 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.040 you have this huge breath of knowledge. We have more 0:55:51.160 --> 0:55:55.400 liberal people joining. We have like anarchists and communists right, like, 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:58.000 all in this space that are actually talking together. And 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:01.000 what was so empowering to me was everyone felt like 0:56:01.040 --> 0:56:04.399 they could speak. We had people that were really introverted, 0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:06.560 um then in the beginning didn't talk at all, slowly 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.040 start to open up. We had high schoolers asking really 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:13.840 incredible questions, right like is revolution even possible right now? Um? 0:56:13.880 --> 0:56:15.640 And kind of getting into some of this. And I 0:56:15.680 --> 0:56:18.480 think one of the most impactful things was that we 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.040 had these calls from seven to nine at night, and 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:23.160 after that we had what we called late night, where 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:26.360 folks would stay on till like twelve at night and 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.880 talk to each other. And in this time of like 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:32.480 isolation and depression, I don't think anyone that I know 0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:36.200 at least was having a good time in December, January, February, right, 0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.120 people were coming together on Zoom and actually staying on 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:42.520 Zoom after what we were doing to feel some type 0:56:42.520 --> 0:56:45.759 of camaraderie, to feel like they were part of a community. Um. 0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.040 And we were able to actually create that space. And 0:56:48.080 --> 0:56:49.719 I think that that was something that to me was 0:56:49.760 --> 0:56:53.360 really incredible. UM. And I think, you know, framing this 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:56.360 also from the George Floyd protests that happened over the 0:56:56.400 --> 0:56:59.200 summer and thinking you know, more about abolition, right, thinking 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:02.000 more about community building. I don't think you can truly 0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:06.440 or I can't imagine the future without the prison industrial 0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:09.760 complex that doesn't involve communities of care, that doesn't involve 0:57:09.800 --> 0:57:13.360 giving people both the resources and the like love that 0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.399 they need to be able to not be pushed into 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:17.920 situations where they have to commit crimes, and also having 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:21.600 accountability amongst each other. Um. Not to mention, right, this 0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.560 work is really really hard. People burn out, like we 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:27.120 are exhausted to be able to create a space where 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:29.080 everyone cares for each other or we're checking in with 0:57:29.240 --> 0:57:31.920 each other where you know, in the beginning of this 0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:35.640 virtual mask builds, I think, you know, a bar, myself 0:57:35.680 --> 0:57:37.800 and a couple other folks were doing the majority of 0:57:37.840 --> 0:57:40.120 the work and by the end we were doing none 0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:43.320 of it. We had like been able to reallocate those tasks, 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.080 we had been able to develop leaders, and we had 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:47.640 essentially organized ourselves out of a job, which to me 0:57:47.760 --> 0:57:50.080 is like the organizer's dream, right, Like that's what you 0:57:50.120 --> 0:57:53.880 really want to see happen, UM. And so that's kind 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:55.640 of what was happening on the production side of the 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:59.480 Mask builds. On the distribution side, again, we're thinking, how 0:57:59.520 --> 0:58:01.960 can we act really make this true mutual aid UM, 0:58:01.960 --> 0:58:04.240 and so we started to partner with Tank Tenant and 0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.080 Neighborhood Councils, which is one of the main tenant groups 0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.920 in the Bay Area UM and working with them to 0:58:10.000 --> 0:58:12.880 go to food banks right places where people are generally 0:58:12.880 --> 0:58:15.440 low income, where they might not be able to have 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:19.520 the resources to get masks, and we're distributing masks asking 0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:21.960 them are you having trouble with your rent or your landlord? Right? 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:24.160 The goal in this is to give people the tools 0:58:24.200 --> 0:58:27.760 to organize around issues that are deeply pertinent and urgent 0:58:27.800 --> 0:58:31.800 to them, especially with an impending fiction moratorium. Right, and 0:58:31.880 --> 0:58:35.400 so UM, we learned a lot through this. We went 0:58:35.440 --> 0:58:38.600 to a lot of different food banks we found, um, 0:58:38.640 --> 0:58:41.120 you know, some of them were places where people primarily 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:44.040 spoke Cantonese and Mandarin, and so we you know, used 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.520 our networks again that we had created through this project, 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:50.200 these relationships of trust to find people that spoke Mandarin 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:53.200 and we're willing to come out, um and talk with folks. Um. 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:55.640 We found people that spoke Spanish that we're willing to 0:58:55.640 --> 0:58:57.600 come out and talk with folks. And we started to 0:58:57.640 --> 0:59:00.360 develop relationships at these food banks where we are able 0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.680 to distribute masks to people, talk to them, understand what 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:06.280 issues they were having, UM, and invite them to come 0:59:06.320 --> 0:59:08.960 to meetings where they could actually get their resources to 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:11.200 try and tackle some of these issues that they're facing. 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:15.360 Abrought you have more to add on the MASS project, Yeah, 0:59:15.400 --> 0:59:19.760 I think it's worth saying that. UM, we're all very busy. 0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:23.720 I'm a PhD student. While we were doing this work, UM, 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:27.480 you know, in d s A, I was teaching a 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.280 class and I was doing research, and Janine is a 0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:35.600 extremely busy union organizer. UM, And normally, you know, we'd 0:59:35.680 --> 0:59:38.600 come home after work and be absolutely exhausted, UM, and 0:59:38.680 --> 0:59:42.200 this was very tiring, but we felt somehow energized, We 0:59:42.240 --> 0:59:44.680 felt driven to do this, and we found that lots 0:59:44.720 --> 0:59:47.880 of the other people who participated were also busy with 0:59:47.920 --> 0:59:50.120 their jobs and yet would make time to do this 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:54.200 and UM in terms of our actual practice, in terms 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:58.640 of trying to develop the political dimension of the distribution 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:02.440 aspect of our mutual aid, there was a constant interplay 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:05.520 between what we were reading and what we were practicing. 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:08.720 So as we began working with this radical tenant organizing 1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:12.560 group tank that Jinin mentioned, whose aim is to give 1:00:13.080 --> 1:00:16.920 tenants the tools to form tenant councils and tenant unions 1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:20.120 in order to use tools such as rent strikes to 1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:26.480 rebalance power between themselves and their landlords and real estate companies, etcetera. UM. 1:00:26.600 --> 1:00:29.520 During that time, during our mask builds, we would then 1:00:29.640 --> 1:00:33.160 go and read articles in newspaper clippings from you know, 1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:37.200 early twentieth century, when there were examples of twenty year 1:00:37.240 --> 1:00:42.560 old factory girls in Lower Manhattan organizing groups of apartment 1:00:42.600 --> 1:00:45.360 buildings to go on rent strike, you know, ten thousand 1:00:45.480 --> 1:00:49.040 families in one case, to go on rent strike. These incredible, 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:55.959 deeply inspiring stories, UM where people uh suddenly became UH 1:00:56.160 --> 1:00:59.240 subjects of history and not merely objects. And I think 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:02.400 part of what's stained our own work in this group 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:07.760 was some UH similar feeling and UM At the same time, 1:01:08.280 --> 1:01:13.400 when we were trying to imagine future beyond capitalism, we 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:17.960 were looking at moments when that future seemed within reach, 1:01:18.160 --> 1:01:21.880 and so we were studying, for example, Paris in ninety, 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:25.800 which is a moment within many people's living memory, all 1:01:25.920 --> 1:01:28.800 although not our own, UM and studying how it was 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:31.560 that these protests began with the student movement and then 1:01:31.640 --> 1:01:35.320 spilled out into these massive strikes and all the sort 1:01:35.360 --> 1:01:38.560 of self activity that emerged from that. And there was 1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:42.040 such a wide, wide breath of people who came to 1:01:42.080 --> 1:01:44.800 these builds. There were people as young as high schoolers, 1:01:44.800 --> 1:01:47.360 were also much older, people in their seventies and eighties. 1:01:47.440 --> 1:01:51.720 And when we were having this discussion, someone who lived 1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:54.440 through the sixties and witnessed these things very up close 1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:57.920 came to talk about Paris in n and shared the 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:01.320 wealth of his own experience. And again, all of this 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:05.080 was driving what we were actually doing with our hands, 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:07.080 what we were doing on the streets, what we were 1:02:07.080 --> 1:02:10.880 doing at these food bank lines, UM and so it 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.760 was very critical that everything we were reading was somehow 1:02:13.800 --> 1:02:18.040 feeding into our practice. Yeah, and I think, you know, 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.600 we had over a hundred people participate in these masks builds. 1:02:21.640 --> 1:02:24.040 And I think one of the things that I really 1:02:24.040 --> 1:02:28.080 took away from this is again, people were craving that community, 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:31.440 They were craving relationships, and people came back because they 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:34.840 felt that in this group, UM. And that translated also 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:37.680 as we transitioned, right, we had built a culture of 1:02:38.040 --> 1:02:41.000 friendship and of caring for each other that people wanted 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.440 to continue working on this. They wanted to continue to 1:02:43.640 --> 1:02:46.960 be a part of this project. As we transitioned UM 1:02:47.000 --> 1:02:50.120 to building air purifiers, right as the um you know, 1:02:50.200 --> 1:02:53.880 vaccines became more prevalent, masks were still being worn, but 1:02:54.000 --> 1:02:56.640 to a lesser degree. UM, and we started turning to 1:02:56.720 --> 1:03:01.160 fire season UM. As these disasters right continue to strike, 1:03:01.440 --> 1:03:04.640 especially with climate change only getting worse and worse, one 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:06.760 of the things that I think is really powerful about 1:03:07.040 --> 1:03:09.720 mutual aid, and is really powerful about communities is that 1:03:10.600 --> 1:03:13.560 these disasters have been happening and continue to happen at 1:03:13.560 --> 1:03:15.600 a greater and greater frequency. And I think what I've 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:17.560 learned from looking at you know, the heat waves that 1:03:17.640 --> 1:03:22.840 recently took many lives across the Pacific Northwest. The UM 1:03:23.040 --> 1:03:25.680 really really freezing temperatures that happened in Texas about a 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:29.760 year ago, and especially COVID is that you know, the government, 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.480 local or federal is not stepping in to help people. 1:03:32.800 --> 1:03:35.600 Billionaires are not really stepping in to help people. It's 1:03:35.640 --> 1:03:39.560 really only communities and networks of relationships that are keeping 1:03:39.560 --> 1:03:42.960 people alive. And the only way you know that we're 1:03:42.960 --> 1:03:46.800 going to get through this is through having those relationships, 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:50.120 through understanding where people need support. And we started to 1:03:50.160 --> 1:03:52.760 do this with the distribution of masks, right is build 1:03:52.760 --> 1:03:56.880 relationships with community members in you know, fruit Vale in Oakland, 1:03:56.920 --> 1:03:59.919 which is not a large, not a place that many 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:03.240 people from d SA or from TANK are living currently, right, 1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:07.560 and starting to build relationships with people that do need 1:04:07.640 --> 1:04:10.520 these resources in times of crisis UM, so that we 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:13.240 know where we can plug in and also build relationships 1:04:13.240 --> 1:04:15.720 amongst our fellow organizers so that we can support each 1:04:15.760 --> 1:04:20.080 other through these disasters. UM. And so as we transitioned 1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:23.760 to the air purifiers, we started, you know, thinking about 1:04:23.800 --> 1:04:26.440 everything we have learned from the Mass project and kind 1:04:26.440 --> 1:04:29.400 of making that even bigger and better, and how can 1:04:29.440 --> 1:04:32.480 we you know, continue to take what we've learned and 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:36.240 change it and turn it into something really really incredible. 1:04:36.360 --> 1:04:41.160 And UM we you know Chris who Abar mentioned before, 1:04:41.160 --> 1:04:43.160 who came up with the masks, came up with a 1:04:43.200 --> 1:04:48.880 really incredible way to make air purifiers that like ridiculously efficient. 1:04:49.280 --> 1:04:53.920 UM is really really useful, especially for wildfire smoke, but 1:04:54.000 --> 1:04:56.720 also for just people with asthma. There's a lot of 1:04:56.800 --> 1:04:59.280 environmental pollution in the Bay area, right these things can 1:04:59.320 --> 1:05:04.080 be used UM year round. And we began to build 1:05:04.120 --> 1:05:06.560 these air purifiers out of you know, box fans and 1:05:06.600 --> 1:05:09.840 help a filters UM with a shroud with weather stripping 1:05:09.920 --> 1:05:12.520 right to make the air like only go through the 1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:16.680 fan to make it extremely efficient. And UM started to 1:05:16.720 --> 1:05:20.800 think about how can we make this like community aspect 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:22.840 even bigger at least this is what I was thinking of, 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:24.880 because I started to realize, right, I think the only 1:05:24.920 --> 1:05:26.800 thing that we can rely on is each other right now, 1:05:26.920 --> 1:05:30.400 especially UM. And so we started bringing in a bunch 1:05:30.440 --> 1:05:32.920 of different groups to come to these builds. So we 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:34.680 have you know, East Bay d s A. We started 1:05:34.720 --> 1:05:37.400 working really closely with Sunrise and developed a level of 1:05:37.440 --> 1:05:41.240 trust and reciprocity in that relationship that has you know, 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:45.080 continued to be really beneficial to us UM and really helpful. 1:05:45.160 --> 1:05:47.320 We met amazing people that came out. You know, they've 1:05:47.320 --> 1:05:50.880 helped fundraise for US as our funding has gotten really 1:05:50.880 --> 1:05:54.000 really low because these air purifiers are not cheap those 1:05:54.040 --> 1:05:56.960 they are much cheaper than commercially available, but we're you know, 1:05:57.000 --> 1:05:59.200 giving them to folks for free because we want this 1:05:59.280 --> 1:06:04.800 to be mutual aid UM and so working with Sunrise, 1:06:05.200 --> 1:06:09.120 we're working with Asians for Black Lives UM, Berkeley Mutual 1:06:09.160 --> 1:06:13.480 Aid MASK Oakland UM who both came out to our 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:16.840 builds but also helped us distribute air purifiers to Reno 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:18.720 and to places that had you know a qu i 1:06:18.840 --> 1:06:22.040 s of five hundred right when fire season was so bad, 1:06:22.160 --> 1:06:25.680 when the smoke there was just like unlivable. UM. We 1:06:25.680 --> 1:06:28.200 were able to work with them to distribute these air 1:06:28.240 --> 1:06:31.920 purifiers where people really needed them most. UM we were 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:34.880 able to you know, continue to work with tank UM. 1:06:34.960 --> 1:06:38.240 Some folks from the i w W came out. We 1:06:38.240 --> 1:06:41.840 were able to distribute these air purifiers to the Sagorata 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:45.200 Land Trust, which is UM a land trust that is 1:06:45.320 --> 1:06:49.320 run by Indigenous women UM and is working on essentially 1:06:49.400 --> 1:06:53.080 giving um indigenous land back to Indigenous people. We were 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:57.560 able to distribute with Critical Resistance and amazing abolitionist groups 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:00.880 started by Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Angela dave Us in Oakland. 1:07:01.200 --> 1:07:04.320 We were able to distribute UM to s r oh UM, 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:08.040 a group that is working with UM low income Chinese 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:10.840 immigrants in San Francisco who are generally living in single 1:07:10.920 --> 1:07:15.440 family homes right with really bad air quality UM and 1:07:16.080 --> 1:07:18.360 work with like all of these different groups, you know, 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:22.600 Berkeley Mutual Aid. We're pulling in people from just countless 1:07:22.640 --> 1:07:26.720 networks to come and build air purifiers together. UM. And 1:07:26.800 --> 1:07:29.520 we had you know, an ex black panther talking to 1:07:30.080 --> 1:07:33.840 someone from Sunrise from San Francisco, right Like these just 1:07:34.040 --> 1:07:37.840 wild connections, UM that are happening at these builds of 1:07:37.880 --> 1:07:41.480 people who are deeply political and people who are barely 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:45.560 understanding um you know what socialism means, but are wanting 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:48.760 to come out and do something for their community. UM. 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:51.960 And through these relationships and networks again, like we're able 1:07:52.000 --> 1:07:54.240 to hang out after the builds, people are able to 1:07:54.440 --> 1:07:57.000 enjoy themselves. Everyone said they were having a really fun 1:07:57.040 --> 1:08:00.080 time even though we were like literally doing work this 1:08:00.160 --> 1:08:03.880 satur Day. People were still like, this is so fun. 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:07.120 We had you know, people baking bread and like fruit 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:10.440 tarts and cheesecakes and bringing it. We had so we 1:08:10.480 --> 1:08:14.080 had music. It was like a very fun atmosphere and environment. 1:08:14.080 --> 1:08:16.479 And despite the fact that you know, it was physical 1:08:16.560 --> 1:08:18.479 labor and it was taxing and a lot of times 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:21.720 it was on hot days. Um, people stayed for you know, 1:08:21.760 --> 1:08:25.160 four hours to help do this and to do this 1:08:25.240 --> 1:08:28.760 work because they cared, because they wanted to see, um, 1:08:28.800 --> 1:08:31.160 you know, what they could be able to do. And 1:08:31.320 --> 1:08:34.280 they also I think started to build relationships. Um. I know, 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:36.360 you know, countless people talked to a Bra and I 1:08:36.439 --> 1:08:38.559 and had no idea. You know, we've known each other 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:40.599 for less than a year now, um, and they thought 1:08:40.640 --> 1:08:42.439 we'd known each other our whole lives. And I think 1:08:42.479 --> 1:08:45.519 that that really speaks, right. I think that speaks so 1:08:45.640 --> 1:08:48.599 much to the relationships that we've been able to build 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:50.880 through this. And you know, I think a Bra and 1:08:50.880 --> 1:08:53.200 I have met countless people and have developed like an 1:08:53.200 --> 1:08:57.760 incredible community through this work. Um. That definitely helps me 1:08:58.000 --> 1:09:01.200 keep going. I would definitely be able to continue to 1:09:01.240 --> 1:09:03.759 do this work if I couldn't, you know, call Librara, 1:09:03.920 --> 1:09:06.160 but nine pm and we talked for three hours, and 1:09:06.200 --> 1:09:08.479 we complain, but we also talked through like what are 1:09:08.479 --> 1:09:10.519 we doing and how can it be better? And how 1:09:10.560 --> 1:09:13.439 can we you know, get through this roadblock UM And 1:09:13.479 --> 1:09:16.599 I saw that in countless places UM as we moved 1:09:16.680 --> 1:09:20.360 to our own distribution, So we're partnering with these organizations, 1:09:20.360 --> 1:09:23.320 but we're also doing our own distribution UM, which I 1:09:23.320 --> 1:09:25.799 think is like a huge experiment. And how to actually 1:09:25.800 --> 1:09:28.920 do mutual aid which UM is something that you know, 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:31.320 when we talked to the organizers in our circles, we 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:33.599 weren't finding answers too, and so we kind of realized 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:35.200 like we just have to kind of try and figure 1:09:35.240 --> 1:09:37.280 this out. But we would go out and do these 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:40.040 distributions and afterwards, you know, have lunch with people and 1:09:40.080 --> 1:09:42.080 talk to each other like what could we do better? 1:09:42.200 --> 1:09:44.680 What are we doing wrong? Is this mutual aid? Like 1:09:44.720 --> 1:09:47.040 these are questions we're having right after we've been standing 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:49.320 in the sun talking to people for three hours. Like 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:51.960 the dedication of the people involved in this, like of 1:09:52.040 --> 1:09:55.360 our said, most of us are working forty fifty sixty 1:09:55.400 --> 1:09:58.680 hour weeks and yet we're dedicating constant time during the 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:01.200 week and at least one day every weekend to either 1:10:01.280 --> 1:10:05.000 distribution or a build. UM is incredible. I feel like 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:07.320 incredibly honored to be able to work with the people 1:10:07.320 --> 1:10:11.560 that we've been working with UM. But in our distribution, 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:15.200 we started thinking about, you know, how can we invite 1:10:15.479 --> 1:10:17.639 some of these people to come to our builds. Maybe 1:10:17.680 --> 1:10:20.439 that's the reciprocity. I think true mutual aid is really 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:24.479 about believing that the people that were distributing to can 1:10:24.520 --> 1:10:26.960 also give back to us, rather than seeing them as 1:10:27.000 --> 1:10:30.800 like helpless UM. And so we continue to do some 1:10:30.880 --> 1:10:33.639 of our distributions with tank UM and actually we were 1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:36.240 able to do some of these distributions in a way 1:10:36.240 --> 1:10:39.320 that helped new buildings who were just starting to form 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:42.760 tenant councils. UM. You know, use the air purifiers as 1:10:42.760 --> 1:10:44.840 a way to open up conversation with some of these 1:10:44.840 --> 1:10:47.599 people and say, hey, you're building is being organized. Remember 1:10:47.640 --> 1:10:50.200 how the fire season was last year, right, Like, this 1:10:50.280 --> 1:10:52.200 is something that you can use, and let's talk more 1:10:52.240 --> 1:10:54.800 about other tools that we can use coming together to 1:10:54.880 --> 1:10:57.519 really fight for changes that we can't necessarily make on 1:10:57.560 --> 1:11:00.880 our own. UM. So that was happening, and then we 1:11:00.920 --> 1:11:05.639 also decided to look at data around where in Oakland 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:08.080 or asthma rates really high, where in Oakland is air 1:11:08.080 --> 1:11:11.120 pollution really bad, and where in Oakland is it primarily 1:11:11.160 --> 1:11:13.160 lower income folks? Right? We want to be giving these 1:11:13.160 --> 1:11:16.479 air purifiers to people who can't generally afford a hundred 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:19.920 to two hundred dollar air purifier. UM. And so East 1:11:19.920 --> 1:11:22.800 Oakland was one of those places. And again through this 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:25.519 network that we had built through the Mask build, we 1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:28.680 had a connection in East Oakland someone that had UM 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:30.320 that is part of East Bay ds A right, that 1:11:30.360 --> 1:11:33.200 had done a lot of community organizing, and someone that 1:11:33.280 --> 1:11:35.759 was actually able to, you know, send out an email 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:39.240 to her neighborhood and say, hey, we have air purifiers. 1:11:39.240 --> 1:11:42.719 And so we had people posting up at her house. UM. 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:45.240 So you know, we were coming into a neighborhood that 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:47.439 was not our own, which in some ways UM you know, 1:11:47.479 --> 1:11:49.800 there's a lot of complications to that, UM, but we 1:11:49.800 --> 1:11:51.600 were also able to do it at someone's house that 1:11:51.680 --> 1:11:54.200 we knew UM. And our goal in this was to 1:11:54.240 --> 1:11:56.960 get people to come to our builds to make air 1:11:57.000 --> 1:12:01.160 purifiers for themselves and for their family, their community, their friends, 1:12:01.520 --> 1:12:03.920 so that we then don't have to go into those neighborhoods, right, 1:12:03.960 --> 1:12:06.280 so that they can then start to own that distribution 1:12:06.400 --> 1:12:10.559 and own this project and like feel an autonomy over it. Um. 1:12:10.680 --> 1:12:13.160 And so we also kind of door knocked around the 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:18.759 neighborhood talking to people about the air purifiers, about wildfire smoke, 1:12:19.320 --> 1:12:21.599 about coming out to a build, you know, about why 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:24.400 this is really important, um, why we need people to 1:12:24.880 --> 1:12:30.000 engage in this project. Um. And we distributed almost a 1:12:30.040 --> 1:12:33.920 hundred air purifiers that day, I think folks in that community. 1:12:34.400 --> 1:12:37.720 And after that that week UM, so we distributed on 1:12:37.760 --> 1:12:40.880 Sunday and then um a week later on Saturday, we 1:12:40.920 --> 1:12:43.040 would have a build. So within that week, right, we're 1:12:43.080 --> 1:12:45.920 calling everyone that we distributed to saying, hey, how is 1:12:45.960 --> 1:12:48.799 your air porifier working? Can you come out to a build. 1:12:49.000 --> 1:12:50.960 It's really really valuable that you come out to a 1:12:51.000 --> 1:12:53.040 build so that you can make sure that your community 1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:56.799 has clean air to breathe, especially during fire season. UM. 1:12:56.880 --> 1:12:58.920 And through these calls, right, I talked to someone who 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:01.559 lived in East Oakland for an hour, UM, and this 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:04.200 person just started opening up and was so touched that 1:13:04.240 --> 1:13:06.439 we had done this and basically said, you know, no 1:13:06.479 --> 1:13:08.720 one has ever cared for my community like this. No 1:13:08.720 --> 1:13:11.320 one has ever even thought about us, right, And you see, 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:15.439 like there are nonprofits right California was giving out air 1:13:15.520 --> 1:13:19.439 purifiers to certain people, like there's a semblance of the structure. 1:13:19.439 --> 1:13:22.000 And yet we were actually interfacing with these people who 1:13:22.000 --> 1:13:23.760 seemed to have no idea that any of this was 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:25.680 happening right there, saying, you know, no one else has 1:13:25.680 --> 1:13:27.640 been able to do this, UM, and we're starting to 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:31.519 form relationships and develop connections in these neighborhoods and make 1:13:31.600 --> 1:13:35.479 people feel cared for and follow up UM. And despite 1:13:35.479 --> 1:13:37.439 all of this work, right, no one shows up to 1:13:37.520 --> 1:13:39.720 our bill that week UM, And I think Obra and 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:43.360 I both felt pretty defeated, right, Like is mutually possible? 1:13:43.520 --> 1:13:46.639 What are we're doing wrong? Clearly? Like class and racial 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:50.639 barriers are really hard to overcome in this UM. And 1:13:50.720 --> 1:13:53.800 you know, we're talking to our ex black panther friend 1:13:53.800 --> 1:13:56.839 that has continued to be a huge part of this project, 1:13:56.880 --> 1:13:58.559 and he was like, you're you know, you have to 1:13:58.640 --> 1:14:01.800 keep trying. You're doing the right things. And so we 1:14:01.840 --> 1:14:05.280 went to West Oakland again where we had a connection 1:14:05.360 --> 1:14:09.240 from our Mass project that helped us set up in 1:14:09.280 --> 1:14:13.479 front of this corner next to UM, a vegan cafe 1:14:13.560 --> 1:14:17.960 that serves trans poc for free UM and has really 1:14:17.960 --> 1:14:20.360 wonderful food. We're able to talk with them give them 1:14:20.360 --> 1:14:23.360 air purifier as they allowed us to. UM kind of 1:14:23.400 --> 1:14:26.320 set up shop in front of their store. And there's 1:14:26.320 --> 1:14:28.200 also like a liquor store on this corner. It's like 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:31.720 a very busy corner in West Oakland. UM and kind 1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:34.480 of did the same thing. We're handing out air purifiers, 1:14:34.520 --> 1:14:37.439 talking to people about the build, talking to people about 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.120 UM you know why this is important. And we're also 1:14:40.200 --> 1:14:42.680 door knocking in the neighborhood, talking to folks UM at 1:14:42.680 --> 1:14:45.960 their homes, UM asking people, you know, who needs an 1:14:45.960 --> 1:14:48.760 air purifier? Right, Like, these communities generally know each other 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:50.640 really well, and we're able to talk to people who 1:14:50.640 --> 1:14:51.960 are like, oh my gosh, you know, like my aunt 1:14:52.000 --> 1:14:54.200 lives over there and her kid has asthma, and like 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:57.040 you should go talk with her. UM. And so we 1:14:57.120 --> 1:14:59.360 start to develop these connections and kind of map out 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:03.519 the neighborhood and UM you know, again we're following up. 1:15:03.520 --> 1:15:05.719 We're talking to these people on the phone, we're asking 1:15:05.760 --> 1:15:09.120 them to come out to the build. And we went 1:15:09.160 --> 1:15:11.320 out to this neighborhood again. So the second time we 1:15:11.360 --> 1:15:14.120 went out. Um. I started to recognize people, right, and 1:15:14.160 --> 1:15:16.639 I started to be able to talk with people, and um, 1:15:16.760 --> 1:15:19.320 through I was kind of like door knocking, um, while 1:15:19.479 --> 1:15:21.439 people were posted up by the liquor store and this 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:25.080 beacon cafe and uh, there was like a church service 1:15:25.160 --> 1:15:27.400 going on and I recognized one of the people there, 1:15:27.439 --> 1:15:29.400 and he recognized me, and we were able to talk 1:15:29.439 --> 1:15:31.080 and he was really grateful for the work that we 1:15:31.080 --> 1:15:33.599 were doing. And he started calling his friends over and 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:35.479 be like, hey, you know, do you all need an 1:15:35.520 --> 1:15:38.760 air purifier? Remember how a bad fire season was last year, 1:15:39.120 --> 1:15:41.240 And also like we should all go to this build 1:15:41.280 --> 1:15:43.840 next time. Um, you know we should actually be showing 1:15:43.920 --> 1:15:47.040 up and helping out um. And words spread so quickly, 1:15:47.120 --> 1:15:51.120 like these communities are so deeply connected, um, at least 1:15:51.160 --> 1:15:55.559 from what I like witnessed. And um that week again, right, 1:15:55.600 --> 1:15:57.920 we called everyone. We said, like, you know, we really 1:15:58.040 --> 1:15:59.680 think it's valuable for you all to come out to 1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:01.640 a build. We want to give you like ownership and 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:04.280 autonomy over this in a world where I think so 1:16:04.400 --> 1:16:07.280 often you feel so little autonomy, um, and so little 1:16:07.320 --> 1:16:09.840 power when everything feels like it's crumbling. Right to have 1:16:09.920 --> 1:16:12.720 some semblance of ownership and autonomy. To be able to 1:16:13.439 --> 1:16:17.599 um do something that is immediately like visible and real 1:16:17.960 --> 1:16:21.479 UM feels really powerful, right when sometimes you know, uh, 1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:25.360 talking to elected officials is moving too slowly because disasters 1:16:25.400 --> 1:16:28.879 are happening so quickly. There is a need to balance 1:16:28.920 --> 1:16:31.320 immediate need and system change, right, and I think you 1:16:31.320 --> 1:16:34.599 have to constantly hold both. Um. But you know, we're 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:36.559 talking to these folks, were asking them to come to 1:16:36.600 --> 1:16:40.439 the build and UM, we actually had a couple of 1:16:40.479 --> 1:16:43.679 people come out to our build from our distribution, people 1:16:43.680 --> 1:16:46.280 that had a really amazing time, People that you know 1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:49.920 said that they enjoyed being there um and took air 1:16:49.960 --> 1:16:53.479 purifiers back and gave them out to their friends and family. UM. 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:55.800 And we're able to say, you know, I made this right, 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.840 like this is something valuable, but also I understand how 1:16:58.880 --> 1:17:01.320 it works. And I talked to one of these people. 1:17:01.360 --> 1:17:04.439 Our next build is actually on his birthday, and he 1:17:04.600 --> 1:17:07.280 was like, I really want to come out on my birthday. 1:17:07.320 --> 1:17:09.439 I really want to come out and help people and 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.240 do this thing that has been enjoyable um and is 1:17:12.280 --> 1:17:17.400 also like helping people. And that to me was someone right, 1:17:17.600 --> 1:17:20.960 like that someone wants to come on their birthday to 1:17:21.439 --> 1:17:24.240 like build air purifiers on a Saturday, when most of 1:17:24.240 --> 1:17:27.679 these people are you know, working forty two however many 1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:30.719 hours a week that they're willing to continue to even 1:17:30.760 --> 1:17:34.120 work on a Saturday, I think is a huge feat UM, 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.200 and it's something that's definitely felt really really powerful in 1:17:37.280 --> 1:17:40.519 this Yeah. I think something that Janine brings out is 1:17:40.520 --> 1:17:45.320 really important, which is that UM, at every stage we've 1:17:45.360 --> 1:17:49.400 been sort of interrogating and examining the work we're doing 1:17:49.479 --> 1:17:52.920 and asking whether we are truly drawing out the full 1:17:53.080 --> 1:17:56.960 political potential of our work. So in the earlier days 1:17:56.960 --> 1:18:00.479 when we were just stirring up that sanitizer and getting 1:18:00.479 --> 1:18:04.160 out these masks, you know, we did a lot, and 1:18:04.400 --> 1:18:09.840 you know, this network of volunteers comprised well over two 1:18:09.920 --> 1:18:13.280 hundred people, and it was sort of consuming all of 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:17.880 our time. But eventually we realized that to a large degree, 1:18:17.920 --> 1:18:20.600 we were basically just acting as a stopgap measure for 1:18:20.800 --> 1:18:25.120 government austerity, for the big gaps left behind by this 1:18:25.360 --> 1:18:31.479 extremely problematic nonprofit industrial complex, and the work we were 1:18:31.479 --> 1:18:34.760 doing then we realized, was sort of susceptible to co 1:18:34.840 --> 1:18:38.880 optation UM, and it didn't necessarily represent too much of 1:18:38.920 --> 1:18:45.880 a threat to capitalist hegemony and um. At that point, 1:18:45.920 --> 1:18:48.320 you know, we shifted into d s A and we 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:52.880 started bringing in a very sort of explicit political education 1:18:52.960 --> 1:18:57.240 component and started associating with an organization like Tank, which 1:18:57.320 --> 1:19:02.240 is already been doing um, really incredible radical organizing in 1:19:02.240 --> 1:19:05.639 the Bay Area, but eventually ran up against the limits 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:07.840 of that as well. And you know, d Essay is 1:19:07.880 --> 1:19:11.880 an organization where a lot of us initially learned our politics, 1:19:11.920 --> 1:19:14.960 but you know, and its current sort of stage, it's 1:19:15.080 --> 1:19:17.960 characterized by a strong degree in our chapter of sort 1:19:18.000 --> 1:19:20.880 of democratic centralism, and most of the effort is being 1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:24.720 put toward electoral work and reform work, and everything that 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:28.440 we were reading about seemed to point towards the extreme 1:19:28.560 --> 1:19:31.960 limits of that form of organizing and how these forms 1:19:32.000 --> 1:19:36.800 of organizing in fact represented sometimes the more reactionary elements 1:19:36.840 --> 1:19:39.320 of the left in earlier moments in history, and we 1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:41.960 wanted to go beyond that. And so we realized that 1:19:42.000 --> 1:19:43.640 we were spending a lot of time having to just 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:45.760 sort of defend the work that we were doing. So 1:19:45.840 --> 1:19:49.960 eventually we just decided to uh sort of reassert our autonomy. 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:53.040 And as we shifted into the air Purifier chapter of 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:57.200 our work, that's what we were doing, and um our 1:19:57.560 --> 1:20:02.639 inspirations are manifold. And as we were reading about these 1:20:02.640 --> 1:20:07.560 earlier moments in history, something which UM had an extraordinary 1:20:08.439 --> 1:20:11.879 effect on me was studying the example of the Spanish 1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:17.080 Revolution in six and suddenly I was reading about this 1:20:17.160 --> 1:20:20.200 moment in history that's been more or less erased from 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:24.080 most of our textbooks are presented UM in a very 1:20:24.200 --> 1:20:28.400 kind of dishonest form UM. And what these workers and 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:32.800 peasants had done in the midst of fascist takeover was 1:20:32.920 --> 1:20:38.880 create on an enormous scale UM the perhaps the most 1:20:39.160 --> 1:20:45.240 egalitarian society that I've ever read about, which truly represented 1:20:46.040 --> 1:20:51.599 UM a sort of liberatory, radical, early form of anti 1:20:51.640 --> 1:20:56.360 authoritarian socialism that stands in tremendous contrast to the much 1:20:56.479 --> 1:21:01.840 uglier forms of so called so acitialism that we've seen 1:21:01.920 --> 1:21:05.439 appear in the twentieth century. And what I noticed was 1:21:05.479 --> 1:21:10.280 that this society in Spain in n six was absolutely 1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:15.360 replete with mutual aid, and these kind of anarchist tendencies 1:21:15.560 --> 1:21:19.400 had UM sort of penetrated the consciousness of many of 1:21:19.400 --> 1:21:23.440 the workers and peasants in Spain, you know, sixty years 1:21:23.479 --> 1:21:28.400 before the revolution, after UM Bakunin in the first International 1:21:28.520 --> 1:21:31.519 sent out an emissary to start spreading these ideas, and 1:21:31.560 --> 1:21:35.519 they took whole like wildfire and spread across the country. 1:21:35.760 --> 1:21:36.920 I think, I think one of one of the most 1:21:36.920 --> 1:21:40.080 incredible things about that story is the the guy they 1:21:40.080 --> 1:21:43.040 gets sent from Italy, like from as as the representative now, 1:21:43.400 --> 1:21:46.599 because yeah, he doesn't speak Spanish, right, he only speaks Italian, 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:48.960 and he he he should stove at this place, right, 1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:53.240 and he's he's he's such a sort of brilliant order 1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:55.559 and and the sort of like the power of the 1:21:55.640 --> 1:21:58.000 ideas that he has is so strong that you know 1:21:58.040 --> 1:22:00.840 it it breaks through the language here, and it's it's 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:03.799 this sort of I think it's just this incredible moments 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:05.519 that you know, I think, I think comes into a 1:22:05.560 --> 1:22:07.320 lot of a lot of WHI the two were running 1:22:07.320 --> 1:22:09.880 into with, you know, I mean, we still live in 1:22:09.920 --> 1:22:12.280 a place that's you know, incredibly defined by language bears, 1:22:12.280 --> 1:22:14.400 and just the the ability to break through that becomes 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:20.639 it gives you this just incredible potential of power and organization. Yeah, Chase, 1:22:20.680 --> 1:22:22.360 you don't know how much it means to me to 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:26.240 hear someone who's as familiar with this as most of 1:22:26.240 --> 1:22:29.200 the time when I talked about it, just total blank faces, 1:22:29.280 --> 1:22:32.920 even among my friends and comrades on the left. And unfortunately, 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:36.160 but yeah, I mean reading about Finelli, who didn't speak 1:22:36.160 --> 1:22:38.880 a word of Spanish and he just went and with 1:22:38.960 --> 1:22:43.600 his wild gesticulations and his passionate rhetoric was able to 1:22:44.280 --> 1:22:49.599 basically inspire people with the radical politics that he came 1:22:49.640 --> 1:22:52.479 there to represent. And it somehow then took on a 1:22:52.520 --> 1:22:54.800 life of its own. Is kind of an extraordinary thing. 1:22:54.840 --> 1:22:56.639 And what I would do to take a time machine 1:22:56.680 --> 1:22:59.639 back and just see what this guy, you know, stuck 1:22:59.720 --> 1:23:02.120 on rains and basically lived as a tramp as he 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:05.519 went from village to village, spreading the word what what 1:23:05.600 --> 1:23:08.439 this looked like? What was he doing? Um? And yet 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:13.760 these ideas took hold in a only deep way. And UM, 1:23:13.920 --> 1:23:21.760 these notions of solidarity, mutual aid, cooperation, free association existed 1:23:21.760 --> 1:23:25.719 by the time of the Spanish Revolution in nineteen thirty six. 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.680 So these sort of dual power counter institutions were more 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:32.160 or less in place. And these are the things which, 1:23:32.800 --> 1:23:38.200 um were the basis the precondition for this sweeping egalitarian 1:23:38.439 --> 1:23:43.720 social revolution that then unfolded, which was unfortunately destroyed by force. UM. 1:23:43.760 --> 1:23:46.080 But this was the sort of society that I imagined 1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:50.960 I might actually want to live. Um and and uh 1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:53.880 and and what you see is that there is a 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:58.479 deep element to UM, a sort of shared consciousness that 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:02.040 existed at that time. And it was quite an effort 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:04.960 for people to bring that consciousness from sort of the 1:24:05.000 --> 1:24:08.840 countryside where it took hold more nash naturally into sort 1:24:08.880 --> 1:24:14.240 of the industrial um centers, the metropolitan areas where people 1:24:14.280 --> 1:24:16.880 working in factories were um, you know, found it a 1:24:16.960 --> 1:24:20.839 lot more difficult to sort of exercise these UM values 1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:23.840 because these things are effectively bled out of them as 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:29.080 a work on the factory floor. And UM. That brought 1:24:29.080 --> 1:24:31.760 a whole different meaning to the work that we were 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:34.280 doing now. And we wondered, what can we do to 1:24:35.120 --> 1:24:39.160 uh inculcate, to nurture this kind of consciousness among the 1:24:39.200 --> 1:24:42.920 people with whom we're interacting as we do our mutual aid, 1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:45.719 as we do our distributions, as we hold these builds 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:48.720 that you know, even though we had trouble getting initially 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:50.880 a few of the people from our distributions to show up, 1:24:50.920 --> 1:24:54.000 there were still you know, sixty seventy people showing up 1:24:54.040 --> 1:24:56.960 every other weekend. And now we finally started having the 1:24:57.000 --> 1:25:03.320 people that were distributing extraordinarily surprising and exciting and yeah, 1:25:04.000 --> 1:25:06.280 this has been It could Happen Here. Join us tomorrow 1:25:06.320 --> 1:25:08.960 for part two of this interview, where we'll go more 1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:12.759 in death in the political side Common Humanity Collectives work. Meanwhile, 1:25:12.800 --> 1:25:15.160 you can find us on Twitter That Happened Here pod 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:17.720 and also on Instagram in the same place, and you 1:25:17.760 --> 1:25:19.719 can find the rest of her worker cools and media 1:25:19.760 --> 1:25:36.240 in the same places. Welcome it could Happen Here podcast 1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:38.559 about things falling apart and about how we can put 1:25:38.600 --> 1:25:40.840 them back together in a way better than they originally were. 1:25:41.479 --> 1:25:44.759 And today we're going to continue our interview with Janina 1:25:44.840 --> 1:25:47.960 Abrar from the Common Humanity Collective. We've been talking about 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:50.600 their work. We've been talking about the origin of the 1:25:50.640 --> 1:25:54.200 mutual aid products. We've been talking specifically about the political 1:25:54.520 --> 1:25:58.280 aspect of their work and how they're reading this sort 1:25:58.320 --> 1:26:00.720 of anarchists. The history of anarchists Ruckle in Spain and 1:26:00.760 --> 1:26:04.439 particularly bbitual agere in the Spanish Civil War helped impact 1:26:04.479 --> 1:26:06.559 and shape the politics and work that they've been doing. 1:26:07.960 --> 1:26:10.040 One thing I wanted, I wanted to sort of circle 1:26:10.120 --> 1:26:11.720 back all the way too from the beginning was the 1:26:11.720 --> 1:26:13.280 stuff you got you were doing at the very beginning 1:26:13.280 --> 1:26:16.439 of the pandemic. Because I think that this is I've 1:26:16.439 --> 1:26:19.519 talked about this before on here, but you know, the 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:24.400 difference between a country like the US where what seven 1:26:24.479 --> 1:26:28.080 hundreds and undifty people are dead and places where that 1:26:28.120 --> 1:26:31.120 didn't happen was the degree your community mobilization. And I 1:26:31.200 --> 1:26:33.080 talked about this with the Chinese example, is that like, yeah, 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:35.479 I mean like that the reason that China that the 1:26:35.520 --> 1:26:38.320 pandemic sort of got contained there, it wasn't because the 1:26:38.360 --> 1:26:39.960 state stepped in and was like, we're going to do this. 1:26:40.000 --> 1:26:43.120 It was because hundreds of thousands of ordinary people just 1:26:43.560 --> 1:26:45.120 took to the streets and we're like, okay, we're doing 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:48.000 a lockdown now. And you know, and it takes a 1:26:48.000 --> 1:26:50.120 different form in China because you know, there's there's a 1:26:50.120 --> 1:26:51.680 lot of different sort of things going on there, but 1:26:52.520 --> 1:26:54.840 that kind of mass community mobilization in the beginning of 1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:57.120 it's just like it. It didn't happen that much in 1:26:57.120 --> 1:27:00.280 the US. And I think, like, you know, the the 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:03.400 world where we don't all die in the pandemic, right 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:06.200 is the one where the things that you all were 1:27:06.200 --> 1:27:07.479 doing happen. I mean, one the way the things. I 1:27:07.479 --> 1:27:11.360 remember my sister is a bios grad student, and she 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:13.720 was telling me about how, you know, so so the 1:27:14.640 --> 1:27:15.519 you know, one of one of the things, one of 1:27:15.520 --> 1:27:17.559 the bottlenecks beginning of a pandemic, and it's still kind 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:20.320 of a bottleneck, was it was about being able to 1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:23.479 being able to do COVID tests. And you know, bio 1:27:23.560 --> 1:27:26.000 grad students can do PCR tests like it's easy. This 1:27:26.040 --> 1:27:27.040 is you know, this is one of the first things 1:27:27.040 --> 1:27:30.679 they teach you. And that capacity just was never used. 1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:32.600 It just it was just sort of left and like 1:27:32.920 --> 1:27:35.200 sat there and rotted, and it sat there and rotted 1:27:35.240 --> 1:27:39.640 because you know, the actual pandemic response was run by 1:27:39.840 --> 1:27:42.439 a state that just didn't care. Any bureaucracy that even 1:27:42.439 --> 1:27:44.280 when it did care, was sort of you know, I 1:27:44.320 --> 1:27:47.960 didn't have this capacity to mobilize. You know, it's it's 1:27:48.000 --> 1:27:50.200 its entire existence is about making sure that sort of 1:27:50.240 --> 1:27:53.479 the capacity for a tonics mobibilization never happens. And I 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:56.519 think that that was one of the most interesting and 1:27:56.520 --> 1:27:58.760 powerful parts of what y'all were doing, was that you 1:27:58.840 --> 1:28:03.240 just did it and it just it kept spreading. Yeah, No, 1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:05.960 I think it's a that's a really good and important 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.960 point you're bringing up. And I should mention that before 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:11.360 we started doing any of the stuff with PPE, I 1:28:11.439 --> 1:28:15.320 was actually you know, as word as as as the 1:28:16.560 --> 1:28:22.160 um uh, the fear of the pandemic started spreading, and 1:28:22.160 --> 1:28:24.320 we finally had a picture of what the US would 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:28.719 soon look like. I remember going to a union meeting 1:28:28.760 --> 1:28:32.120 among my Spellow grad student workers and talking some people 1:28:32.160 --> 1:28:35.439 afterwards and saying like, hey, um, I don't think that 1:28:35.479 --> 1:28:38.880 we have anywhere near the kind of testing infrastructure that 1:28:38.920 --> 1:28:40.960 we're going to need to prevent the spread of this stuff, 1:28:41.000 --> 1:28:43.519 Like why don't we just is there any way that 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:45.800 we can just take pc art machines and set up 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:49.200 these little guerrilla operators and start testing people for free? 1:28:49.680 --> 1:28:52.559 And unfortunately, one of the things I noticed was that people, 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:55.360 you know, we're just very confused by this idea. They 1:28:55.400 --> 1:28:59.320 had much more faith in the state's ability to um 1:29:00.160 --> 1:29:03.120 assemble these infrastructures, and I just realized that was not 1:29:03.200 --> 1:29:05.080 the way in which I was going to be able 1:29:05.120 --> 1:29:09.200 to help out. And so it's it's unfortunate, but a 1:29:09.280 --> 1:29:13.520 lot of people have even though they have these instincts 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:16.320 for sort of mutual aid and for this kind of 1:29:16.360 --> 1:29:19.759 autonomous organized. This stuff lies just below the surface. Often 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:22.200 they don't feel actually capable of it. And I think 1:29:22.240 --> 1:29:24.600 more than anything, what we've done with this project is 1:29:24.640 --> 1:29:28.719 we've created a context and atmosphere in which things which 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.759 people typically feel like they cannot do they suddenly realize 1:29:31.800 --> 1:29:34.280 they can do again. It's just to come back to 1:29:34.320 --> 1:29:36.920 that idea that most of us, you know, we live 1:29:36.960 --> 1:29:40.120 our lives, We sell our labor for wages. A few 1:29:40.160 --> 1:29:43.560 people who own the means of production, you know, accumulate 1:29:44.400 --> 1:29:48.400 profits and use them to manipulate the state for their 1:29:48.439 --> 1:29:52.760 own purposes. Um. And this has an effect on us. 1:29:52.920 --> 1:29:55.960 I mean, this has an effect on dulling our consciousness 1:29:56.560 --> 1:30:02.320 um And it's an extraordinary transfer asian in our social relations, 1:30:02.320 --> 1:30:04.519 in our sense of our own individuality when we do 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:08.360 realize in these moments that we can be um subjects. 1:30:08.680 --> 1:30:13.559 And so unfortunately my initial to try to stimulate some 1:30:13.600 --> 1:30:18.160 of this activity around testing didn't work out. Um But 1:30:18.400 --> 1:30:22.160 uh yeah, it just presents this recurring problem, which is 1:30:22.160 --> 1:30:24.960 that people are not used to doing this kind of work. 1:30:25.280 --> 1:30:29.080 And Janine and I have found many many times that 1:30:29.320 --> 1:30:31.639 you know, people are willing to come and use their 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:34.000 hands and build something for a few hours. But then 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:36.040 what we try to do is get them involved. We say, 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:39.640 come to the meetings. You have decision making power. You 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:43.280 can determine the trajectory of this work. And that's always 1:30:43.320 --> 1:30:47.040 a very very difficult thing to be doing now, given 1:30:47.080 --> 1:30:50.599 the way that sort of people have been conditioned, um 1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:53.440 right now. And I think that's something which is concerning 1:30:53.560 --> 1:31:00.000 because these uh traits of subservience and sort of submission 1:31:00.000 --> 1:31:02.880 and I think are incompatible. If there were a moment 1:31:03.000 --> 1:31:06.760 of revolutionary rupture, I'm not sure that that would necessarily 1:31:06.840 --> 1:31:10.120 lead to any better sort of society. So I think 1:31:10.120 --> 1:31:13.400 this stuff is deeply, deeply important to get people involved 1:31:13.439 --> 1:31:15.800 in this kind of work. I just want to go 1:31:15.840 --> 1:31:17.479 back to one of the things you said, Like you 1:31:17.560 --> 1:31:21.000 mentioned the community aspect and like those relationships, and I 1:31:21.000 --> 1:31:23.320 think that I know I've said this so many times, 1:31:23.439 --> 1:31:26.280 both in my organizing space and even on this podcast today, 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:29.680 but I truly have felt like building community is one 1:31:29.720 --> 1:31:32.479 of the most powerful ways to organize. And I think 1:31:32.520 --> 1:31:36.000 so many people in leftist spaces right now see organizing 1:31:36.280 --> 1:31:38.639 as like a place where you just do work, um, 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:41.000 And I actually think that that's a really terrible way 1:31:41.040 --> 1:31:43.320 to organize. I don't think that you're gonna have people 1:31:43.400 --> 1:31:46.519 come back, right, Like I don't think that UM, anyone 1:31:46.600 --> 1:31:49.000 is going to feel empowered. And you know, kind of 1:31:49.320 --> 1:31:51.960 through talking to a bra I've started reading this book 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:54.639 on the Free Women of Spain and like thinking more 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:58.160 about this also right and thinking about how they're talking 1:31:58.160 --> 1:32:01.640 about community building and how they're talking about like community 1:32:01.760 --> 1:32:04.040 is believing in each other and like helping each other 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:07.280 realize their full potential UM and as a way to 1:32:07.320 --> 1:32:12.320 actually find equity and equality through like horizontalist structures, through 1:32:12.360 --> 1:32:16.360 allowing people to reach their full potential UM And I think, 1:32:16.439 --> 1:32:18.160 you know, these are some of the politics that have 1:32:18.240 --> 1:32:20.599 informed what we're doing, that have informed how we're trying 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:24.240 to allow people to grow. And so many people have 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:28.120 come to us and said, you know, these mass builds 1:32:28.160 --> 1:32:31.240 or these air purifier builds are like the highlight of 1:32:31.240 --> 1:32:33.519 my week or the highlight of my month, UM or 1:32:33.560 --> 1:32:36.080 I'm thinking about the like the way that you're structuring 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:39.400 UM your distributions and thinking about how I can implement 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:41.479 that into the work that we're doing UM And I 1:32:41.479 --> 1:32:43.719 think that those things are so powerful when you're able 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:47.679 to create these spaces again where people care for each other, 1:32:47.800 --> 1:32:50.880 and like you're saying, that goes a long way towards 1:32:50.880 --> 1:32:53.840 being able to mobilize um when there are disasters, to 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:56.320 being able to mobilize around protests, to being able to 1:32:56.320 --> 1:33:00.479 mobilize around these ruptures because you have solid air that's 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:04.160 built through relationships and that is allowing you to build power. 1:33:05.320 --> 1:33:07.280 One of the things that that YouTube sort of getting 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:11.360 it is that you know, there's it's hard in a 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:15.080 lot of ways because yeah, I mean, the US has 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:18.479 and you baked into just to every single part of 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:21.360 your life is there's going to be someone who is 1:33:21.360 --> 1:33:22.920 above you, who can order you and tell you what 1:33:22.960 --> 1:33:24.760 to do. And that's you know, that's that's that's that's 1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:27.280 the defining characteristic of life in the United States. And 1:33:27.320 --> 1:33:29.200 the second defining characteristic is if you don't do what 1:33:29.240 --> 1:33:31.000 they tell you, a person with the gun shows up 1:33:31.000 --> 1:33:34.200 and either beats you or haulds you away and slaves you. 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.559 And you know that that that has these enormous sort 1:33:37.560 --> 1:33:42.400 of psychological consequences that you know, create creates this culture 1:33:42.400 --> 1:33:45.120 where people you know, I mean, and that this goes 1:33:45.160 --> 1:33:47.639 along with there's there's this whole skilling process that that's 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:49.360 been a sort of part of the broad arch of 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:52.840 capitalism that you all trying to reverse. But even even yeah, 1:33:52.880 --> 1:33:54.200 you know, it's like about even the people who have 1:33:54.280 --> 1:33:59.880 the skills just don't sort of they don't believe in 1:34:00.000 --> 1:34:01.800 our own autonomy in a way, and that that that 1:34:01.800 --> 1:34:05.920 becomes this incredibly powerful, you know, tool of of keeping 1:34:05.920 --> 1:34:09.200 people in line. But when that breaks and when when 1:34:09.200 --> 1:34:11.599 people start to see it, it can take time. But yeah, 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:14.680 you know that the the kinds of power in the 1:34:15.240 --> 1:34:17.680 depth of the sort of organization that you build isn't 1:34:17.720 --> 1:34:19.120 from that is incredible. And I think this is only 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:21.280 everything is about the Spanish example that people tend to forget, 1:34:21.320 --> 1:34:23.519 which is that you know, okay, so that the c 1:34:23.680 --> 1:34:25.479 NT which is the sort of giant c n T. 1:34:25.600 --> 1:34:29.639 F Ayes, the giants sort of anacaust the union that's 1:34:29.680 --> 1:34:32.120 that's running a lot of this stuff. You know, they're 1:34:32.280 --> 1:34:35.479 almost completely destroyed at the dream, like over the course 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:37.360 of the spanis civil war, and they're you know, distruber 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:39.120 the Stalus, disruber the Fascist at the end. By the 1:34:39.160 --> 1:34:40.800 end of the war, you know that the Fascist control 1:34:40.840 --> 1:34:45.320 Spain for about forty years. But even that, you know, 1:34:45.360 --> 1:34:48.599 I mean, they kill hundreds of thousands of people. They like, 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:51.720 there's massacres is you know, it turns into literally a 1:34:51.720 --> 1:34:57.320 fascist police state. But the moment that, the moment the 1:34:57.320 --> 1:35:01.800 fascist a tatorship collapses, the CNT reappears. And they even 1:35:01.840 --> 1:35:04.200 even in you know, in seventies Spain, in a place 1:35:04.200 --> 1:35:06.559 that is in a lot of ways industrialized, they still 1:35:06.600 --> 1:35:10.000 almost overthrow the government one more time. And you know, 1:35:10.040 --> 1:35:12.200 I mean they're they're still around the sort of much 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:14.679 reduced form to this day. But I mean, once, once 1:35:14.720 --> 1:35:17.920 you build that kind of power, right, even you know, 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:20.840 even forty years of fascist dictatorship was not enough to 1:35:20.840 --> 1:35:22.760 completely destroy it. It was you know, it was it 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:25.400 was still there, sort of waiting underground, and then the 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:28.160 moment there was a rupture reappears. This is a really 1:35:28.160 --> 1:35:30.479 important thing that you're bringing up, Chris, because I think 1:35:30.640 --> 1:35:34.240 it has um a lot to do with how we 1:35:34.280 --> 1:35:38.479 just measure and talk about success on the left. Um, 1:35:38.520 --> 1:35:42.200 what you're describing, which you know, Spain is typically by 1:35:42.240 --> 1:35:44.160 many people on the left described as kind of a 1:35:44.240 --> 1:35:47.920 failed experiment. Oh it was nice, but it ultimately failed. 1:35:47.960 --> 1:35:52.040 So let's look at Russia, you know, Um, but uh, 1:35:52.200 --> 1:35:54.880 some people have argued and I think very correctly that 1:35:54.920 --> 1:35:57.599 you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Once 1:35:57.680 --> 1:36:01.040 something like this happens, it's there that energies are there, 1:36:01.040 --> 1:36:04.760 they are not forgotten, they're not lost. And there's you know, 1:36:04.840 --> 1:36:11.679 a very vigorous sort of left wing radical anarchist movement 1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:15.719 that's resonant um uh and very sort of consistent with 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:20.760 with the earlier movement during the thirties. And UM, I 1:36:20.760 --> 1:36:24.439 think that's that's an extraordinarily important thing to think about. 1:36:24.479 --> 1:36:27.679 We tend to measure these projects in these very sort 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:31.639 of linear sort of status terms, and we discovered, especially 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:33.120 when we were doing work in d say, that a 1:36:33.160 --> 1:36:35.240 lot of people were trying to frame our own project 1:36:35.360 --> 1:36:37.360 in that way. You know, what are the demands that 1:36:37.400 --> 1:36:40.439 you're making, what are the what pressure are you exerting 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:43.479 on the state? Um? And so there's these criteria that 1:36:43.520 --> 1:36:47.280 people use to evaluate kind of the efficacy or success 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:50.280 of projects like these, And the Spanish example tells you, 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:52.760 UM that the way that these things work is in 1:36:52.800 --> 1:36:56.599 fact much more complicated and much more interesting UM. And 1:36:56.640 --> 1:37:00.479 that by assembling these structures, these organizations, even if at 1:37:00.560 --> 1:37:04.680 sometime or another they don't necessarily exist anymore, all of 1:37:04.720 --> 1:37:07.920 those people who participated in them are transformed, and the 1:37:07.960 --> 1:37:12.080 people that they interact with might then also be transformed. 1:37:12.160 --> 1:37:15.000 And so something like the c n T, which is, 1:37:15.040 --> 1:37:17.800 you know, an extraordinary organization, the f AI is what 1:37:17.960 --> 1:37:20.679 you know, really gave it the kind of anarchosymbical list 1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:25.040 content that defined the quality of that revolution. Um, that 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:27.800 never got lost, that never went away, even when it 1:37:27.880 --> 1:37:30.720 seems to have disappeared. UM. And so I think we 1:37:30.760 --> 1:37:34.759 have to learn to think about success in failure um, 1:37:34.800 --> 1:37:38.160 you know, as we very simplistically use these terms very 1:37:38.280 --> 1:37:41.439 very um differently, and this is something which informs our 1:37:41.479 --> 1:37:44.320 own work when we're asking was this successful? Was this 1:37:44.439 --> 1:37:47.479 not successful? Um? I think that's a much more difficult 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:50.559 and complicated question than we often make it out to be. Yeah, 1:37:50.600 --> 1:37:53.479 and I think there's something very specific about you know, 1:37:53.720 --> 1:37:56.400 I think we can go into sort of d s 1:37:56.479 --> 1:37:58.360 A factional politics for a little bit, but like I 1:37:58.360 --> 1:38:00.680 think like in some ways you see this shallowness of 1:38:00.880 --> 1:38:02.680 a lot of the approaches that was happening in the 1:38:02.760 --> 1:38:06.120 d s A where you know, like if if you 1:38:06.160 --> 1:38:07.519 if you look at a lot of how the sort 1:38:07.520 --> 1:38:09.040 of medicare for all stuff went or a lot of 1:38:09.080 --> 1:38:11.680 how the sort of Bernie campaigning stuff went. Right, it 1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:14.880 was okay, you know, you have these you have these 1:38:14.960 --> 1:38:17.360 organizations that are like a mile wide and inch deep, 1:38:17.600 --> 1:38:19.920 and it's like, okay, they're they're capable of mobilizing people 1:38:19.920 --> 1:38:23.000 to vote one time, but you know, then they lose 1:38:23.000 --> 1:38:24.760 the election, and then what right, so that they don't 1:38:24.760 --> 1:38:26.439 they don't don't they don't have you know, there's they're 1:38:26.439 --> 1:38:28.160 supposed to be this whole thing of like Bernie being 1:38:28.160 --> 1:38:30.160 an organizer in chief and this whole sort of plan 1:38:30.320 --> 1:38:33.639 to use the sort of lists de developers and organize anything. 1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:36.519 And it's never happened. And you know, it didn't happen 1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:38.240 in a lot of ways because it was just sort 1:38:38.280 --> 1:38:41.320 of they treated the whole process of building power as 1:38:41.400 --> 1:38:43.640 essentially a bureacratic exercise. Right, it's how many people are 1:38:43.640 --> 1:38:45.680 on this list, how many people are showing up to 1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:47.680 state like you know, and like how how many how 1:38:47.680 --> 1:38:51.760 many how many doors have we knocked on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:53.439 it's it's just you know, and that's the that's the 1:38:53.439 --> 1:38:55.960 other thing you're talking about with the fact that organizing 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:58.080 spaces have to be more than just another just another 1:38:58.080 --> 1:39:00.519 place you go to work, right is if you know, 1:39:00.640 --> 1:39:03.360 if if all you're doing is just replicating these sort 1:39:03.360 --> 1:39:05.559 of beercrarect things, you're you're going to watch them fail 1:39:05.640 --> 1:39:07.599 exactly the same way the burocracies do. Except you know, 1:39:08.080 --> 1:39:09.800 you're you're you're not the American State, you're not a 1:39:09.840 --> 1:39:11.960 Democratic party. You don't have an infinite amount of money 1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:14.400 or the ability to sort of you know, you don't 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:15.880 you don't have the ability to call an arm to 1:39:16.000 --> 1:39:17.840 enforce what you need to do, right, You don't. You 1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:22.080 don't have you do you don't have the fallback of 1:39:22.160 --> 1:39:25.919 bad methods of organizing, which is violence. And when that happens, 1:39:26.760 --> 1:39:30.720 you know, and and suddenly and you can't confront your 1:39:30.760 --> 1:39:33.000 own failures because you're stuck in this, things just start 1:39:33.000 --> 1:39:34.400 to sort of implode, and you start to lose people, 1:39:34.439 --> 1:39:36.519 and you start to sort of, you know, you see 1:39:36.520 --> 1:39:40.000 this sort of stagnation and decline that I think, you know, 1:39:40.600 --> 1:39:44.519 talking about, Yeah, without getting exactly too much into what's 1:39:44.520 --> 1:39:47.439 going on in East Bay, like that's that that, that's 1:39:47.439 --> 1:39:49.720 been everything I've seen out of it. Yeah, And I 1:39:49.760 --> 1:39:51.639 think to go kind of off of what a bro 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:54.439 was talking about to kind of put this into terms 1:39:54.520 --> 1:39:57.080 of the work that we've been doing right, you know, 1:39:57.120 --> 1:39:59.800 through the Mask builds UM. As they were winding down, 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:02.880 weren't quite sure what our next project was, and you know, 1:40:03.400 --> 1:40:06.160 we talked a lot about like how do we keep 1:40:06.200 --> 1:40:09.160 this energy going, like we don't want to just lose this. 1:40:09.320 --> 1:40:11.280 And I also felt, you know, a certain amount of 1:40:11.640 --> 1:40:15.880 social obligation to you know, keep this community together that 1:40:15.960 --> 1:40:19.680 had formed during the pandemic. And so we started a 1:40:19.720 --> 1:40:22.759 book group kind of in the interim reading How Europe 1:40:22.800 --> 1:40:26.639 Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney, and you know, had around 1:40:26.680 --> 1:40:29.599 thirty people show up to that UM And I think, 1:40:30.200 --> 1:40:34.800 as you know, you're talking about the importance of once 1:40:34.840 --> 1:40:37.719 you know, these relationships are formed, once these ideologies start 1:40:37.760 --> 1:40:40.559 to percolate, that they don't just go away, right. These 1:40:40.600 --> 1:40:43.840 people that we you know, brought into D s A 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:45.600 and a lot of ways these by D s A 1:40:46.120 --> 1:40:48.120 came to join this book group and later came to 1:40:48.200 --> 1:40:51.240 join the Air Purifier project. Despite the fact that it 1:40:51.360 --> 1:40:53.519 was more outside of D s A. A lot of 1:40:53.560 --> 1:40:56.360 these people because of you know, what we had built 1:40:56.360 --> 1:40:59.160 and what we had created, continued to be such a 1:40:59.240 --> 1:41:03.960 huge part take on incredible leadership Roles um and you know, 1:41:04.120 --> 1:41:06.800 facilitate this project in a way that it would not 1:41:06.840 --> 1:41:09.280 at all look like what it does without you know, 1:41:09.360 --> 1:41:12.080 these people dedicating so much of their time and energy 1:41:12.120 --> 1:41:16.080 to this project kind of throughout the process. Yeah, and Chris, 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:18.439 I'm going back to what you're saying earlier. I think, 1:41:18.800 --> 1:41:27.800 um M, I've seen a very interesting, um a kind 1:41:27.800 --> 1:41:31.240 of reflection come out of some of these organizations, and 1:41:31.240 --> 1:41:36.040 you see these different splits and sort of uh wings developing. 1:41:36.240 --> 1:41:38.880 But yeah, I mean, I Janine is a very sort 1:41:38.920 --> 1:41:43.280 of organic, radical and revolutionary who I've learned an enormous 1:41:43.320 --> 1:41:46.200 amount from. But I think my own trajectory was much 1:41:46.240 --> 1:41:48.720 more characteristic of what you described earlier, which is that 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:51.400 you know, I put all my eggs in this basket. 1:41:51.479 --> 1:41:54.840 I thought, Okay, Bernie Sanders, like, that's that is, that 1:41:55.000 --> 1:41:58.320 is the that is the beginning of how we undergo 1:41:58.479 --> 1:42:02.479 a sort of democratic social transformation. And then, you know, 1:42:02.640 --> 1:42:05.120 in a few snaps of the finger, even though I 1:42:05.120 --> 1:42:08.479 had spent just like hundreds of hours just knocking doors 1:42:08.560 --> 1:42:12.280 and promising all these things to people who might you know, 1:42:12.360 --> 1:42:14.840 vote for him at their door, and and all this 1:42:14.960 --> 1:42:18.760 stuff that and and and just sort of regurgitating all 1:42:18.800 --> 1:42:24.360 these slogans and and talking, you know, rapturously about these 1:42:24.400 --> 1:42:28.920 welfare programs. UM. I saw all that dissolved in a moment, 1:42:29.120 --> 1:42:33.280 and I realized that I didn't leave anything behind. And 1:42:33.400 --> 1:42:36.759 there was, you know, in D s A and our chapter, 1:42:36.880 --> 1:42:38.840 you saw that there was a large group of people 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:41.920 who just wanted to keep that flame burning and just 1:42:41.960 --> 1:42:44.640 say we'll do better next time, you know, we'll do 1:42:44.720 --> 1:42:47.559 more work at the local level to elect representatives. But 1:42:47.640 --> 1:42:50.080 then there was another group of people, it was much 1:42:50.120 --> 1:42:54.320 more disillusioned UM and really started wondering is this what 1:42:54.360 --> 1:42:56.800 we should be doing, or at least is this all 1:42:56.840 --> 1:42:59.200 that we should be doing? UM. And you see the 1:42:59.240 --> 1:43:01.840 same thing coming out of a group like Sunrise, which 1:43:02.000 --> 1:43:05.559 whose primary sort of mandate is to just put pressure 1:43:05.640 --> 1:43:09.439 onto Congress UM to urge the necessity of a green 1:43:09.479 --> 1:43:12.800 new Deal or whatever. And nevertheless, out of Sunrise, we've 1:43:12.800 --> 1:43:16.080 met people who, after the George Floyd protests, after the 1:43:16.120 --> 1:43:19.920 dissolution of the Bernie campaign, have been led down the 1:43:20.080 --> 1:43:23.599 same radical path as as some of us UM found 1:43:23.600 --> 1:43:28.600 ourselves traveling UM in in East by D s A. 1:43:29.120 --> 1:43:31.400 And they're the ones who have now come to help 1:43:31.520 --> 1:43:35.760 our project, and you know, using whatever autonomy they have 1:43:36.000 --> 1:43:39.479 at the sort of UM hub level in Sunrise, because 1:43:39.479 --> 1:43:42.080 even though it's an organization with sort of paid staff 1:43:42.120 --> 1:43:44.920 and something of this bureaucracy right now in this moment, 1:43:45.320 --> 1:43:48.719 the individual little local hubs actually have a surprising amount 1:43:48.720 --> 1:43:50.639 of autonomy, and I really hope they're going to fight 1:43:50.680 --> 1:43:53.599 for protect that autonomy. So they've been able to use 1:43:53.640 --> 1:43:57.519 that autonomy to actually put a lot of effort towards 1:43:57.680 --> 1:44:01.519 raise money thousands of dollars our work at c HC 1:44:01.880 --> 1:44:04.640 and come to our organizer meetings, become a part of 1:44:04.640 --> 1:44:09.160 the effort, and urge upon their own UM friends and 1:44:09.200 --> 1:44:13.280 co organizers and people they know in Sunrise to shift 1:44:13.320 --> 1:44:16.920 the direction of their work of their branches towards doing 1:44:16.960 --> 1:44:19.479 more work like this. So there are these kind of 1:44:19.560 --> 1:44:24.240 interesting different uh splinterings that you see happening, which give 1:44:24.320 --> 1:44:26.880 me some hope that we're not just going to keep 1:44:27.439 --> 1:44:30.280 running the same tape over and over again. So one 1:44:30.280 --> 1:44:31.920 of the other interviews we did on this show was 1:44:32.000 --> 1:44:35.920 with a bunch of people who were working with the 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:39.280 basically this giant effort in Atlanta to stop this like 1:44:41.360 --> 1:44:45.800 just atrocious sort of destruct this destruction of a bunch 1:44:45.840 --> 1:44:50.400 of forests to create this like weird teaching cops, how 1:44:50.439 --> 1:44:54.240 did you counter terrorism? Enormous academy thing that's being funded 1:44:54.280 --> 1:44:58.080 by a bunch of the adalytic corporations in Atlanta, And 1:44:58.200 --> 1:45:00.960 they were describing you know, they didn't talk about sort 1:45:01.000 --> 1:45:02.559 of the exacting process of solution, but you know, you 1:45:02.600 --> 1:45:03.920 saw they were like, you know, one of the people 1:45:03.920 --> 1:45:05.960 with the hair was from Sunrise, and they were also 1:45:06.000 --> 1:45:08.559 talking about how they pulled together. That's just like enormous 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:12.519 coalition of a bunch of community groups that was you know, 1:45:12.600 --> 1:45:14.960 and like the their their initial goal was just they're 1:45:14.960 --> 1:45:18.240 trying to pressure the city council into stopping the into 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:21.360 you know, not approving and that doesn't work. But you know, 1:45:22.800 --> 1:45:24.640 you know some of some of the other groups that 1:45:24.680 --> 1:45:26.439 were that were involved in this, you're talking about like okay, 1:45:26.439 --> 1:45:28.439 well you know that they're they're planning is like if 1:45:28.439 --> 1:45:30.760 this fails, we're gonna go stop it ourselves. And I 1:45:30.800 --> 1:45:34.719 think that pivot right is one of the most crucial 1:45:34.760 --> 1:45:37.960 things that is happening right now, because you know, okay, 1:45:38.000 --> 1:45:39.320 if if you if you you know, if if you, 1:45:39.400 --> 1:45:41.400 if you you you pull out your like Polly, your 1:45:41.439 --> 1:45:44.200 policy like policy space diagrams, right, like it's it's the 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:46.800 United States. The policy that's enacted is the one that 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:51.439 is the policy decided aby the sixtieth senator. And it's like, okay, 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:53.640 so you know, even even if if even if you're 1:45:53.680 --> 1:45:56.599 gonna try to do an electoral thing, right, you need six, 1:45:56.640 --> 1:45:59.759 you need sixty votes in the Senate, there is one 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:05.439 arguably socialist senator and we've never elected another one, so 1:46:05.520 --> 1:46:06.720 you know, and you're just looking at this right and 1:46:06.720 --> 1:46:08.439 it's like okay, like you know, we we elect like 1:46:08.680 --> 1:46:15.559 to maybe three socialists in in the House every year, 1:46:16.160 --> 1:46:17.960 and if you know, if you continue at the same rate, 1:46:18.640 --> 1:46:21.960 they'll be like what like like two hundred years before 1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:23.479 we have a majority there. And it's like yeah, you know, 1:46:23.760 --> 1:46:25.439 and at a certain points like yeah, I mean, we're 1:46:25.960 --> 1:46:28.160 like we're not gonna be around because we'll be dead, 1:46:28.360 --> 1:46:30.920 but like most of most most of the stuff on 1:46:31.000 --> 1:46:33.120 earth will also not be around because it would have 1:46:33.160 --> 1:46:34.800 been obliteral black climate change there, and you know, and 1:46:35.280 --> 1:46:37.880 at some point you have to get to we're gonna 1:46:37.880 --> 1:46:39.920 have to do it ourselves because no one, no one 1:46:39.960 --> 1:46:42.200 else is going to do it for us. And I 1:46:42.240 --> 1:46:44.880 think the work you two have been doing is just incredible, 1:46:45.000 --> 1:46:47.320 is just an incredible example of how that can actually 1:46:47.400 --> 1:46:50.080 happen and what what that looks like. Thank you. Yeah. 1:46:50.080 --> 1:46:52.280 I think that it is so important, and I think 1:46:52.320 --> 1:46:53.840 that that's one of the reasons that to me, it 1:46:53.920 --> 1:46:56.479 was also so important to get all of these groups 1:46:56.520 --> 1:47:01.320 at these air purifier pips because I think oftentimes organizing 1:47:01.560 --> 1:47:05.160 is so siloed and it really frustrates me, and people 1:47:05.240 --> 1:47:08.479 seem very like loyal at least I've found this in 1:47:08.520 --> 1:47:11.280 East by d s A to like their particular organization, 1:47:11.520 --> 1:47:13.760 any other organization they don't even really want to talk 1:47:13.800 --> 1:47:16.760 about or they don't even know still exist. UM. And 1:47:16.840 --> 1:47:19.280 to me, like, if we can give people the tools 1:47:19.320 --> 1:47:23.519 to organize, I don't care who their organizing, UM, but 1:47:23.760 --> 1:47:26.960 if we can also like have these groups communicate with 1:47:27.000 --> 1:47:30.240 each other, right, Like different groups are doing exactly the 1:47:30.320 --> 1:47:33.360 same thing. Right. We have the Ecosocialist group UM in 1:47:33.760 --> 1:47:36.720 d s A, Right, you have Sunrise, you have the 1:47:36.760 --> 1:47:39.120 I w W, and then you have the Labor Committee 1:47:39.160 --> 1:47:41.160 of d s A. And it's like sometimes there is 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:43.479 cross communication, right, But to me, it never feels like 1:47:43.520 --> 1:47:46.320 it's quite enough. It never feels like we're really all 1:47:46.360 --> 1:47:48.320 working on this or we're really all in it together, 1:47:48.439 --> 1:47:51.240 and I think we really should be, because, like you're saying, 1:47:51.280 --> 1:47:53.800 like there's kind of a ticking clock. We only have 1:47:53.880 --> 1:47:56.120 a certain amount of time to actually make the changes 1:47:56.160 --> 1:47:58.960 that we want to see, and when we're not willing 1:47:59.000 --> 1:48:01.880 to actually work with each other and communicate with each other, 1:48:02.680 --> 1:48:05.479 things are not going to happen as quickly. UM. And 1:48:05.520 --> 1:48:07.880 so being able to have, like, you know, a table 1:48:07.920 --> 1:48:12.400 of people assembling purifiers from d S a Sunrise tank 1:48:12.600 --> 1:48:14.800 right and they're all talking about the organizing work that 1:48:14.840 --> 1:48:18.080 they're doing and sharing stories and strategies, so that we're 1:48:18.120 --> 1:48:21.719 not all constantly reinventing the wheel. That actually working together 1:48:21.840 --> 1:48:25.080 on this I think is so so valuable. And this 1:48:25.160 --> 1:48:26.920 is something that we've seen. You know, one of our 1:48:27.000 --> 1:48:31.240 friends who's helping lead one of the tank locals has 1:48:31.280 --> 1:48:33.200 come to a number of our events and was telling 1:48:33.320 --> 1:48:35.599 us how he's actually tried to bring things that he's 1:48:35.640 --> 1:48:38.599 seen that we're doing into his own local and we've 1:48:38.600 --> 1:48:43.360 heard this in other contexts as well. So things spread 1:48:43.600 --> 1:48:46.519 and that's I think a really important thing that um, 1:48:46.720 --> 1:48:51.160 you know, especially because of Janine's Um, you know, just 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:55.559 just uh attempts to try to get all these groups 1:48:55.600 --> 1:49:00.000 together into one place to communicate, to build relationships. Um, 1:49:00.040 --> 1:49:03.840 we're now seeing what we've built sort of emanating elsewhere. 1:49:03.880 --> 1:49:06.519 And we're also learning a lot from all these different 1:49:06.560 --> 1:49:08.639 people in groups who come to our builds and then 1:49:08.680 --> 1:49:12.599 become organizers in the effort. And you know, to mention 1:49:12.680 --> 1:49:16.040 someone like you know, Gerald Jennine referred to earlier, who 1:49:16.160 --> 1:49:25.080 is this uh wonderful UM Cantanker is uh ex black panther, 1:49:25.400 --> 1:49:28.520 you know, who has such an enormous history of experience. 1:49:28.600 --> 1:49:31.639 For him to give us that historical perspective for everything 1:49:31.680 --> 1:49:35.760 that we're doing, um has been an enormous boost of confidence, 1:49:35.760 --> 1:49:38.439 and it's allowed us to focus and you know, just 1:49:38.520 --> 1:49:41.560 to reiterate what she said earlier, we were really depressed 1:49:41.600 --> 1:49:43.360 when we went out and we were talking to people 1:49:43.400 --> 1:49:45.920 in West Oakland and East Oakland and everyone was telling 1:49:46.000 --> 1:49:48.320 us we're gonna come, Yeah, we'll show up, we'll be there. 1:49:48.600 --> 1:49:51.240 And then, you know, while many other people showed up 1:49:51.240 --> 1:49:54.080 from Sunrise, D, S, A, C, HD elsewhere, none of 1:49:54.080 --> 1:49:56.799 those people showed up. And we said, Gerald, they're not coming, 1:49:56.880 --> 1:49:59.760 what's going on? And he said, you know, keep going, 1:50:00.200 --> 1:50:03.920 keep trying, keep doing it, do not give up. Do 1:50:04.040 --> 1:50:08.880 not judge from that one experience. This is really hard work. 1:50:08.960 --> 1:50:11.920 And these people have had the door shot on them 1:50:12.040 --> 1:50:15.120 over and over and over again, and they're tired, and 1:50:15.160 --> 1:50:17.960 it's the weekend. But you keep doing it and they 1:50:18.000 --> 1:50:20.000 will come. And then the next time they came, we 1:50:20.080 --> 1:50:22.720 may not have gone there again had it not been 1:50:22.760 --> 1:50:27.440 for Gerald bringing in this enormous um breath of experience 1:50:27.520 --> 1:50:29.439 to share with us. You know, at the end of 1:50:29.479 --> 1:50:33.240 our previous bill, there's this there's this quote that I 1:50:33.280 --> 1:50:36.000 remember from Frey who was it was one of the 1:50:36.040 --> 1:50:37.560 one of the people who've been heavily involved in the 1:50:37.560 --> 1:50:40.040 Egyptian Revolution. She Dousan eleven had this quote and she's 1:50:40.040 --> 1:50:42.680 talking about, you know, I should be doing this for decades, right, 1:50:42.680 --> 1:50:44.240 And she's like, yeah, because you have a protest and 1:50:44.240 --> 1:50:47.479 if if a hundred people show up, you're happy, and 1:50:47.479 --> 1:50:49.720 if a hundred people show up, you're depressed. And then 1:50:49.760 --> 1:50:51.760 one day, eight hundred thousand people show up and you 1:50:51.800 --> 1:50:55.120 kind of just forgot that could happen. And yeah, I 1:50:55.120 --> 1:50:57.479 mean that that is something that you know, Yeah, like 1:50:58.560 --> 1:51:01.200 organizing is not easy. There you're you're gonna spend a 1:51:01.200 --> 1:51:04.200 lot of time like not winning. You're gonna spent a 1:51:04.200 --> 1:51:06.720 lot of time feeling like you're barely treading water. There's 1:51:06.720 --> 1:51:09.200 gonna be a lot of time where you know, nothing 1:51:09.240 --> 1:51:12.720 works and everything seems to be falling apart. But you know, 1:51:12.800 --> 1:51:17.120 if you keep pushing, people show up and you know, 1:51:17.280 --> 1:51:20.800 and suddenly the regime is like taking like you know, 1:51:21.000 --> 1:51:24.479 trying trying to catch planes out of the country. And yeah, 1:51:24.520 --> 1:51:26.240 and you know, and you get to that that CLR. 1:51:26.320 --> 1:51:29.360 James line about how the ruling classes not defeeding until 1:51:29.360 --> 1:51:31.600 it's ruling until it's running for its lives. But you 1:51:31.640 --> 1:51:33.400 know they do run for their lives. This is the 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:37.120 thing that happens. Yeah, and you know, if if we 1:51:37.160 --> 1:51:40.200 do this together, we can get there totally. And I think, 1:51:40.360 --> 1:51:43.200 you know, what a bar saying is so true. And 1:51:43.320 --> 1:51:47.080 we also, you know, in doing these distributions, talk to 1:51:47.120 --> 1:51:49.439 people and I literally would say, like what, we'll get 1:51:49.520 --> 1:51:52.719 people to show up, right, there's kind of like honesty 1:51:52.720 --> 1:51:56.000 in these conversations of like, you know, this is what 1:51:56.040 --> 1:52:00.240 we're trying to do, Like there's a reciprocal relationship here again, 1:52:00.400 --> 1:52:03.360 like help us understand Also, like what we need to 1:52:03.400 --> 1:52:06.880 do in order to make sure that the reciprocal relationship 1:52:06.920 --> 1:52:10.120 is actually realized and actually happening. UM And I think 1:52:10.120 --> 1:52:12.519 that that was kind of an exciting moment of like 1:52:12.600 --> 1:52:15.800 having people have some autonomy and like say and like, 1:52:15.880 --> 1:52:18.200 you know, they know this community better than we do, right, 1:52:18.240 --> 1:52:20.800 they know like how people are going to show up 1:52:20.840 --> 1:52:24.519 and how maybe they won't. But Chris, Uh, just to 1:52:24.560 --> 1:52:26.320 bring it back to what you were saying, I think 1:52:26.479 --> 1:52:33.439 describing the kind of nonlinear trajectory of uh popular movements 1:52:33.439 --> 1:52:35.960 in history is something that we try to keep always 1:52:36.120 --> 1:52:39.760 in our minds. Um, things may begin small, things may 1:52:39.800 --> 1:52:42.639 seem small, even when you study the examples in Spain 1:52:42.720 --> 1:52:45.760 of sort of the groups of people who formed sort 1:52:45.800 --> 1:52:48.080 of the early f AI who were just sort of 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:51.040 discussing these ideas around the fire before they tried to 1:52:51.040 --> 1:52:53.880 sort of infiltrate the CNT, and then this became the 1:52:53.920 --> 1:52:58.320 sort of predominant UM mood and sort of ideology that 1:52:58.320 --> 1:53:01.760 that that that characterized the CNT, which then you know, 1:53:01.840 --> 1:53:04.800 spread out and sort of characterized the Spanish Revolution at 1:53:04.920 --> 1:53:09.240 large and massive numbers millions of people, you know. Um 1:53:09.320 --> 1:53:11.599 And and just seeing what happened with the George Floyd 1:53:11.600 --> 1:53:14.519 protests and studying the examples of you know, Paris in 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:17.559 where it at first just seems like small groups of 1:53:17.600 --> 1:53:21.040 students and then you know, just a few days and 1:53:21.080 --> 1:53:24.799 weeks later, you know there's thousands and thousands and thousands 1:53:24.800 --> 1:53:28.120 and thousands of workers, um, you know, who are out 1:53:28.800 --> 1:53:32.519 literally just pulling out cobblestones from the street, you know, 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:35.559 up against the police. And and the way that these 1:53:35.560 --> 1:53:39.120 things happen is very unpredictable. And I think that's also 1:53:39.600 --> 1:53:42.280 a very important thing to keep in mind as we're 1:53:42.360 --> 1:53:45.360 trying to evaluate, you know, what we're doing in a 1:53:45.360 --> 1:53:48.479 given moment. Yeah, I think, I think I think that's 1:53:48.479 --> 1:53:50.800 that's that's a very good note to end on. It's 1:53:51.640 --> 1:53:54.880 you know, every the struggle we have embarked in is 1:53:54.880 --> 1:53:57.880 an incredibly difficult one, and we're not going to know 1:53:58.280 --> 1:54:03.519 how it ends for a long long time. But that 1:54:03.600 --> 1:54:06.120 doesn't yeah, you know, that doesn't necessarily means it ends badly. 1:54:06.160 --> 1:54:08.880 And the kind of resiliency we can build is incredibly 1:54:08.880 --> 1:54:12.640 deep and incredibly powerful. Okay, plugs time, Where do you 1:54:12.760 --> 1:54:14.840 too want people to go? What do you want people 1:54:14.880 --> 1:54:18.040 to know? And yeah, we can we can link stuff 1:54:18.080 --> 1:54:20.320 if you want to send it to us in the 1:54:20.120 --> 1:54:23.599 in the in the chat chat, we can we can, 1:54:23.640 --> 1:54:26.040 we can link stuff. We can we can we can 1:54:26.120 --> 1:54:28.760 link stuff. In the description of this episode, this is 1:54:28.800 --> 1:54:37.120 why we have editors. Yeah, UM, I think definitely like 1:54:37.200 --> 1:54:41.400 our social media UM so Twitter and Instagram is see Humanity, 1:54:41.480 --> 1:54:44.760 see UM for folks to be able to donate UM, 1:54:44.800 --> 1:54:47.960 to visit our website, to be able to plug in. 1:54:48.000 --> 1:54:49.680 If they are in the Bay area and want to 1:54:49.680 --> 1:54:52.600 get involved, they can find ways to do that through 1:54:52.680 --> 1:54:55.040 those social media channels. You know, they can message us 1:54:55.480 --> 1:54:57.400 UM and then our fundraiser a bar. I don't know 1:54:57.440 --> 1:54:59.240 if we should just send the link or what the 1:54:59.240 --> 1:55:00.840 best way to do at it. If you go to 1:55:00.840 --> 1:55:04.200 a Common Humanity collective dot org, there's a donate button 1:55:04.280 --> 1:55:06.960 which leads to the fundraisers. You can find it also, 1:55:06.840 --> 1:55:08.120 so if you if you go there, you can see 1:55:08.120 --> 1:55:09.960 how they You can see instructions are how to make 1:55:09.960 --> 1:55:13.200 the fans and they are so cool, like they're awesome, 1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:16.840 it's it's sweet, it's so go do go do that 1:55:16.880 --> 1:55:19.360 too because it's sick. And there's also instructions for how 1:55:19.400 --> 1:55:22.600 you can make them as well. And we hope people 1:55:22.640 --> 1:55:25.520 do this elsewhere please reach out to us. We want 1:55:25.680 --> 1:55:29.160 to not be the only ones doing and so this 1:55:29.240 --> 1:55:32.400 is why we've tried to just put everything online that 1:55:32.440 --> 1:55:34.560 others can replicate this model. And this is why we're 1:55:34.560 --> 1:55:37.040 coming on a show like this and going into so 1:55:37.120 --> 1:55:40.480 much detail into our history just that uh, you know, 1:55:40.880 --> 1:55:43.600 we don't have to keep reinventing the wheel. I think, 1:55:43.800 --> 1:55:45.920 you know, a bar and I have learned so much 1:55:45.960 --> 1:55:48.560 from this project, UM, and a lot of it really 1:55:48.600 --> 1:55:51.040 did feel like reinventing the wheel, which is unfortunate because 1:55:51.080 --> 1:55:53.240 I know that you know, mutually it has been done elsewhere. 1:55:53.280 --> 1:55:55.960 But with the organizers that we were talking to, a 1:55:56.000 --> 1:55:57.560 lot of the things that we were doing, we were 1:55:57.560 --> 1:56:00.520 having to kind of start from scratch. And at least 1:56:00.520 --> 1:56:03.360 my goal is like we're both very accessible people, like 1:56:03.640 --> 1:56:05.400 if there are questions, you know, to be able to 1:56:05.400 --> 1:56:08.160 reach out so that we can you know, explain our 1:56:08.200 --> 1:56:10.840 experience to other folks, UM and talk through you know. 1:56:11.040 --> 1:56:13.600 Our relationship with Sunrise started because they heard about the 1:56:13.680 --> 1:56:15.560 mutual aid work that we were doing and they said, 1:56:15.600 --> 1:56:17.560 we want to do that also, and we're like great, 1:56:17.760 --> 1:56:19.840 and you know a bra are co organizer Joe and 1:56:19.880 --> 1:56:22.680 I and this woman from Sunrise met in a park 1:56:22.880 --> 1:56:26.520 and eat dinner and just talked about mutulateing, you know, 1:56:26.560 --> 1:56:28.920 the pitfalls that had happened and what went well and 1:56:28.920 --> 1:56:30.560 how we could do it in the future. And then 1:56:30.800 --> 1:56:33.920 like this beautiful collaboration began like a bar was talking 1:56:33.960 --> 1:56:36.680 about so um, I think, you know, we're really happy 1:56:36.720 --> 1:56:39.240 to talk about where things have gone awry and what 1:56:39.320 --> 1:56:42.080 we've learned from this project and thankfully at this point 1:56:42.120 --> 1:56:47.000 to like what successes we've had. So yeah, go go everyone, 1:56:47.800 --> 1:56:50.600 go go go go find them, go out of your communities, 1:56:50.640 --> 1:56:54.200 go do this theirselves, and yeah, go go go get 1:56:54.240 --> 1:56:59.040 us another Spanish revolution. We need another one. Yeah, thank you, 1:56:59.080 --> 1:57:02.120 thank thank you to much for joining us. I s 1:57:02.280 --> 1:57:05.920 agread Chris. This has been such an huge pleasure for 1:57:06.600 --> 1:57:09.200 talking to you. We've we've been covered by a lot 1:57:09.240 --> 1:57:12.720 of places, but never quite like just thank you so 1:57:12.840 --> 1:57:15.120 much for doing this, and thank you. Such an honor 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:16.880 to be here and so much fun to talk with 1:57:16.880 --> 1:57:20.680 you both. Thank you so much for having us and yeah, 1:57:20.680 --> 1:57:22.560 so this this has been it could happen here pod. 1:57:23.000 --> 1:57:26.480 You can find us at Happened Here Pod, on Twitter, Instagram, 1:57:26.520 --> 1:57:29.480 and at cool Zone. For just the rest of the 1:57:29.520 --> 1:57:49.320 stuff that we do. Alright, bye, everyone, whats critical my 1:57:50.600 --> 1:57:56.560 race theories? UM? Well, all right, that's not a great introduction, 1:57:56.600 --> 1:58:00.000 but it's not a great time in America. I'm Robert Evans. 1:58:00.080 --> 1:58:04.280 This is it could happen here with me tonight as 1:58:04.320 --> 1:58:08.720 often but not always is is Garrison Davis UH and 1:58:09.000 --> 1:58:12.680 our good friend Christopher Wong. Uh. We're here to talk about, 1:58:13.280 --> 1:58:16.960 um a bunch of stuff. Largely, we're talking about the 1:58:17.040 --> 1:58:21.800 increasing and escalating attacks on school boards and attempts to 1:58:21.880 --> 1:58:25.920 take over and dominate school boards by far right activists. 1:58:26.560 --> 1:58:29.000 And a lot of this is centered around critical race theory, 1:58:29.000 --> 1:58:31.200 a lot of it centered around vaccine mandates. It all 1:58:31.280 --> 1:58:35.080 kind of blends together like a good gumbo UM or 1:58:35.160 --> 1:58:38.800 like fascist syncretism UM. One of the things that I 1:58:38.840 --> 1:58:41.920 would say, that's that's kind of most relevant right now 1:58:41.960 --> 1:58:44.400 as we're recording this. I don't think the race has 1:58:44.440 --> 1:58:48.760 been officially called, but it's become an increasingly obvious that 1:58:48.960 --> 1:58:52.800 UH Terry mccauliffe has lost his re election bid and 1:58:53.040 --> 1:58:57.960 the uh new governor of Virginia will be a Republican who, 1:58:58.000 --> 1:59:01.120 among other things, as like homist and based a huge 1:59:01.120 --> 1:59:03.760 amount of his campaign on banning critical race theory and 1:59:03.840 --> 1:59:06.840 specifically like banning books and ship from being taught in 1:59:06.920 --> 1:59:12.240 Virginia schools. Um and this is all the result of 1:59:12.240 --> 1:59:17.480 a pretty far reaching, um and and complex and honestly 1:59:17.560 --> 1:59:21.160 pretty pretty scary campaign. And we're gonna talk about that tonight, Garrison. 1:59:21.240 --> 1:59:24.600 Do you wanna do you wanna take it from here? Yeah? Yeah, 1:59:24.600 --> 1:59:26.400 I'll do a little bit then we can move over 1:59:26.520 --> 1:59:30.240 to telegram. But yeah, you like the getty lee of this, 1:59:30.440 --> 1:59:33.480 So so this is your drum solo time. Yeah, we 1:59:33.480 --> 1:59:35.640 we decided we needed to do an episode on this 1:59:35.840 --> 1:59:39.720 sinn and later when a few weeks ago a large 1:59:39.800 --> 1:59:43.000 number of of of of anti Vacts and anti mask 1:59:43.120 --> 1:59:48.480 protesters took over a school board meeting in uh Portland. 1:59:48.520 --> 1:59:50.000 And the reason why that is special in it of 1:59:50.040 --> 1:59:51.800 itself because this has been happening across the country for 1:59:51.800 --> 1:59:54.320 a long time. But that but the fact that they 1:59:54.360 --> 1:59:56.760 were able to overwhelm and shut down an entire school 1:59:56.760 --> 1:59:59.480 board meeting with hundreds of people, like invading this building 2:00:00.080 --> 2:00:02.160 then shutting this down with just the essurement of like 2:00:02.360 --> 2:00:06.120 power that the people had there was it was It's 2:00:06.160 --> 2:00:10.280 notable because it's like it's it's a liberal ish city, right, 2:00:10.280 --> 2:00:12.960 It's that's generally how people view it as. And you know, 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:15.440 we're used to this happening, you know, more like southern 2:00:15.480 --> 2:00:18.960 states and states that are more like overwhelmingly conservative. But 2:00:19.040 --> 2:00:21.400 when like a Portland school board me to get shut down, 2:00:21.400 --> 2:00:25.240 people were like, oh wow, this is like extra important 2:00:25.360 --> 2:00:28.880 because this is showing that it's not this isn't isolated 2:00:29.240 --> 2:00:32.240 to like quote unquote red states, right, this can this 2:00:32.320 --> 2:00:35.600 can spread out everywhere now, you know. With Portland it 2:00:35.680 --> 2:00:39.600 was it was a mix of like hippie types who 2:00:39.640 --> 2:00:42.000 are like anti vax but there was a good deal 2:00:42.040 --> 2:00:44.520 of like actual proud boys there as well. Yes, and 2:00:44.560 --> 2:00:48.400 it was partly organized through an organization run by the 2:00:48.400 --> 2:00:51.040 Bundies UM, and there were some direct ties and they 2:00:51.120 --> 2:00:54.600 helped to advertise it. So it's there's a lot of UM. 2:00:54.640 --> 2:00:56.840 I mean, one of the things that was so unsettling 2:00:56.920 --> 2:00:59.560 is that a lot of these people were not Portland's 2:00:59.600 --> 2:01:02.360 resident but they were showing up and we're able to 2:01:02.400 --> 2:01:06.040 effectively like take over and dominate at Portland's school board meeting. 2:01:06.680 --> 2:01:10.400 UM in part because law enforcement is never ever willing 2:01:10.480 --> 2:01:12.840 to do anything against There's there's a there's a lot 2:01:12.840 --> 2:01:15.760 of a lot of points here, so like, yeah, one 2:01:15.760 --> 2:01:18.000 of it being is like these like these big mobs 2:01:18.000 --> 2:01:21.040 are definitely able to benefit from being you know, white, 2:01:21.160 --> 2:01:24.280 mostly middle class like parents and stuff, or maybe not 2:01:24.440 --> 2:01:26.280 maybe not not even parents. They're gonna be white middle 2:01:26.320 --> 2:01:29.080 class um, which means they can like storm buildings and 2:01:29.160 --> 2:01:33.040 shut stuff down without any real consequence because police aren't 2:01:33.080 --> 2:01:35.320 police and security aren't really going to get involved that much, 2:01:35.680 --> 2:01:38.680 and the like the libs are not gonna like really 2:01:38.680 --> 2:01:41.320 be pushing back on this in any kind of me 2:01:41.720 --> 2:01:43.879 They'll just make fun of these people if they misspell 2:01:44.000 --> 2:01:47.640 something on a sign. Yeah. So, like basically the idea 2:01:47.680 --> 2:01:50.000 for this episode as we want to talk about why 2:01:50.120 --> 2:01:53.160 and how school boards have become kind of the new 2:01:53.240 --> 2:01:58.000 front lines for pushing far right stuff into the culturals 2:01:58.000 --> 2:02:00.840 like guyst because they've really become the new, the new, 2:02:01.320 --> 2:02:06.160 the new like space that people on the right are 2:02:06.200 --> 2:02:09.240 able to push things that are that are more that 2:02:09.280 --> 2:02:11.760 are more extreme, and push things that are gonna you know, 2:02:12.000 --> 2:02:18.040 hurt you know, kids mostly m So looking for this, 2:02:18.160 --> 2:02:21.560 we put together a decent amount of stuff from organizing 2:02:21.640 --> 2:02:23.920 chats for how basically the right is talking about these 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:26.240 things and how they're trying to organize it. UM. And 2:02:26.320 --> 2:02:28.680 one really interesting kind of thing of not which will 2:02:28.680 --> 2:02:31.440 come up later in the telegram stuff, is that in 2:02:31.800 --> 2:02:37.640 I think it was when was it It was late September, UM, 2:02:37.720 --> 2:02:40.640 the National school Boards Associations like that, the National school 2:02:40.640 --> 2:02:44.800 Board Union UM put in a request for federal assistance 2:02:44.840 --> 2:02:48.440 to stop ongoing threats and acts of violence against UH 2:02:48.440 --> 2:02:51.720 school boards like meeting members and people president at school 2:02:51.720 --> 2:02:54.720 boards because this has been ramping up. You know this 2:02:54.800 --> 2:02:57.200 that this was happening the last last school season as well, 2:02:57.360 --> 2:03:01.360 but really the past few months, the the prevalence and 2:03:01.560 --> 2:03:05.680 the number of these types of like mobs based overtaking 2:03:05.680 --> 2:03:09.040 these school boards has become so much more common, UM 2:03:09.080 --> 2:03:11.600 that the school Board Union put in like sent like 2:03:11.600 --> 2:03:14.600 a letter directly to the president saying, hey, we kind 2:03:14.640 --> 2:03:17.720 of need help here. UM. So it's it's not just 2:03:18.120 --> 2:03:22.040 it's this is this is a problem that's recognized widely 2:03:22.120 --> 2:03:24.440 even among people like on school boards, because yeah, they're 2:03:24.560 --> 2:03:27.800 getting like carasped, they're getting death threats. UM. This is 2:03:27.840 --> 2:03:31.720 becoming like unsafe to hold school board meetings. UM. And 2:03:31.840 --> 2:03:34.160 whether or not you like our modern school system or not, 2:03:34.440 --> 2:03:37.080 the resulting effect to this is that it's gonna be 2:03:37.200 --> 2:03:41.040 hurting like kids. Like, like, it's a good whether it 2:03:41.040 --> 2:03:44.000 be through like COVID, whether it be through teaching them 2:03:44.120 --> 2:03:47.760 racist like curriculums, or whether it be to you know, 2:03:48.200 --> 2:03:51.280 making trans kids have make their lives a whole lot harder. Right, 2:03:51.440 --> 2:03:53.760 all of this kind of stuff is gonna be worse 2:03:53.840 --> 2:03:57.400 by this happening. So it is something definitely worth caring about. Yeah, 2:03:57.600 --> 2:04:01.800 it's worth caring about all. Like, it's clearly an attempt 2:04:02.200 --> 2:04:07.680 in order to to to arrest the kind of progressive 2:04:07.720 --> 2:04:10.400 tilt that that society has gone through. All of this 2:04:10.440 --> 2:04:14.120 is a reaction both too. I mean, the religious right 2:04:14.160 --> 2:04:17.400 was initially, more than anything, a reaction to desegregation and 2:04:17.440 --> 2:04:20.760 the women's liberation movement UM. And what we're seeing now 2:04:20.840 --> 2:04:24.280 is a reaction to primarily the gains that LGBT people 2:04:24.320 --> 2:04:26.680 have made in the last like twenty years, including the 2:04:26.760 --> 2:04:31.040 legalization of gay marriage UM. And so the ultimate goal 2:04:31.320 --> 2:04:35.240 of all of this is to stop progress towards racial justice, 2:04:35.560 --> 2:04:40.280 to roll back gay rights, UM, to enshrine white supremacy 2:04:40.440 --> 2:04:44.120 using violence. And that's why that's why all of these 2:04:44.120 --> 2:04:47.040 different school board meetings, like the the threat of violence 2:04:47.080 --> 2:04:51.320 from these people is a constant factor. Um, there's regular 2:04:51.400 --> 2:04:53.360 discussion of it. There's like, I mean, that's why the 2:04:53.360 --> 2:04:57.080 Proud Boys are showing up is to be a of 2:04:57.480 --> 2:04:59.560 like is to be a death squad. Um, you know, 2:04:59.600 --> 2:05:01.920 a little precursor death squad. They're not quite willing to 2:05:01.960 --> 2:05:05.360 start start pulling triggers yet, but they want people to 2:05:05.440 --> 2:05:07.680 know that it's possible. They want to scare people away 2:05:07.720 --> 2:05:11.640 from getting involved in local politics unless they adhere to 2:05:11.680 --> 2:05:14.960 a very specific far right political ideas. It's working because 2:05:14.960 --> 2:05:16.520 a lot of these school boards are getting these school 2:05:16.640 --> 2:05:18.400 meanings are just getting shut down, like they just can't 2:05:18.440 --> 2:05:20.760 have them in person or sometimes not at all because 2:05:20.760 --> 2:05:22.560 they'll just they'll like zoom bom. Like it's not like 2:05:22.760 --> 2:05:25.560 they're just shutting down so they cannot take place or 2:05:25.560 --> 2:05:27.480 at school by members are afraid to go out in 2:05:27.560 --> 2:05:32.400 public because these people are are going to hurt them. Um. 2:05:32.440 --> 2:05:36.040 And this is like a lot of people involved in 2:05:36.080 --> 2:05:39.320 this are maybe not themselves like Proud Boys, like they 2:05:39.360 --> 2:05:42.800 they're they're they're they're not super like they're individually are 2:05:42.960 --> 2:05:46.080 more kind of regular Republicans in these states. But the 2:05:46.120 --> 2:05:48.920 reason why it gets so extreme and accelerate so quickly 2:05:49.320 --> 2:05:52.120 is mostly because of how these organizing efforts take place, 2:05:52.160 --> 2:05:54.080 and also because of stuff like Fox News and news 2:05:54.080 --> 2:05:56.720 Max and Ona and o An like pushing people further 2:05:56.800 --> 2:05:58.840 right in the past few years, but like specifically the 2:05:59.240 --> 2:06:02.080 method of organized zing on apps like Telegram and Facebook groups. 2:06:02.840 --> 2:06:04.640 This this is, this is the thing common on the Internet, 2:06:04.680 --> 2:06:09.400 but like it rewards accelerationism, it rewards the most extreme, 2:06:09.400 --> 2:06:11.400 takes those the ones to get shared the most. So 2:06:11.480 --> 2:06:14.440 even if you know this is just some mom in 2:06:14.480 --> 2:06:18.120 her forties who's not a proud boy by any means 2:06:18.120 --> 2:06:21.440 she's she still poses a threat in this in this 2:06:21.480 --> 2:06:24.400 way because she's poo boosting this same rhetoric and as 2:06:24.440 --> 2:06:28.000 part of these same organizing channels that are full of 2:06:28.520 --> 2:06:32.640 like actual fascists. Uh, there's a decent amount of very 2:06:32.680 --> 2:06:36.240 popular posts from very popular channels I pulled that talks 2:06:36.280 --> 2:06:38.880 about the Jews in the school boards and we'll we'll 2:06:38.920 --> 2:06:44.040 get to that kind of stuff shortly. Um, So there, Robert, 2:06:44.080 --> 2:06:49.520 do you wanna start on the telegram with the whole 2:06:49.600 --> 2:06:52.640 the whole school board telegram channel that is popped up 2:06:52.720 --> 2:06:55.360 by no means the most popular to Telegram channel for organizing, 2:06:55.560 --> 2:06:58.160 but it is specifically dedicated to school boards. And because 2:06:58.160 --> 2:07:00.600 of how Telegram works, this channel gets it around a 2:07:00.600 --> 2:07:03.960 lot in other much bigger channels. Yeah, and and just 2:07:04.040 --> 2:07:06.080 so you know, So the way Telegram works. If you're 2:07:06.560 --> 2:07:10.160 a decent person um and you don't live in a 2:07:10.160 --> 2:07:13.320 country where Telegram is a legitimately good choice for you, 2:07:13.360 --> 2:07:15.920 there some areas where it's perfectly normal social media network, 2:07:16.000 --> 2:07:18.280 but for the most part, in the United States it's 2:07:18.400 --> 2:07:22.320 used by fascists and weirdos um. So if you're fortunate 2:07:22.400 --> 2:07:24.800 enough to not use Telegram, the way it works is 2:07:24.840 --> 2:07:28.280 you have open groups and closed groups. Open groups are 2:07:28.440 --> 2:07:31.680 anyone can view them. Uh, you don't expose yourself by 2:07:31.720 --> 2:07:36.400 looking at them, and people largely just kind of post images, memes, 2:07:36.520 --> 2:07:38.960 videos and then can comment on them. And a lot 2:07:39.000 --> 2:07:41.480 of what's posted in any given Telegram channel is shared 2:07:41.520 --> 2:07:44.480 from another Telegram channel. So for people like Garrison and 2:07:44.520 --> 2:07:47.520 I who research extremism, one of the uses of telegram 2:07:47.640 --> 2:07:50.440 is that by looking at what's being shared in one 2:07:50.480 --> 2:07:52.560 group from other groups, you can actually start to build 2:07:52.600 --> 2:07:55.920 networks and see, oh, there's affinity between these two groups. 2:07:56.000 --> 2:07:59.880 Because this group may claim that they're just concerned conservatives. 2:08:00.040 --> 2:08:03.280 They're sharing all of this all of this content from 2:08:03.280 --> 2:08:05.960 this far right you know Pepe group that's also sharing 2:08:06.000 --> 2:08:08.280 a lot of neo Nazi content, and you can see 2:08:08.320 --> 2:08:10.640 there's a lot of affinity between the other thing that 2:08:10.680 --> 2:08:13.200 happens is that these channels that are getting big and 2:08:13.240 --> 2:08:15.400 being you and you're being used for this kind of 2:08:15.440 --> 2:08:18.280 like right wing organizing who present themselves as more just 2:08:18.400 --> 2:08:21.640 like regular conservative channels. If you I've been in this 2:08:21.760 --> 2:08:24.360 channel for like years at this point, and this channel 2:08:24.480 --> 2:08:26.880 used to be a like proud Boy channel. They just 2:08:26.960 --> 2:08:30.200 changed their name. Like It's like that happens all the time, 2:08:30.240 --> 2:08:32.440 where a lot of the big organizing channels used to 2:08:32.480 --> 2:08:36.120 be like openly violent organizing, like for different mobs to 2:08:36.120 --> 2:08:40.200 go beat up people, and now they've rebranded to make 2:08:40.200 --> 2:08:44.040 them appeal more to like just regular Trump voters. That 2:08:44.120 --> 2:08:45.720 is the other thing that happens all the time. And 2:08:45.800 --> 2:08:47.720 one of the main channels that we're talking about today 2:08:48.200 --> 2:08:50.880 is one of these one of these channels that used 2:08:50.880 --> 2:08:52.800 to be a Proud Boy thing and is now just 2:08:53.040 --> 2:08:56.480 kind of right wing organizing in general. Yeah, and it's um, 2:08:56.600 --> 2:08:59.320 I don't know, I'm just gonna get into it. So actually, 2:08:59.440 --> 2:09:01.480 you know what I'm to get into before I start 2:09:01.560 --> 2:09:06.360 talking about fascists on telegram trying to destroy the concept 2:09:06.400 --> 2:09:10.200 of democracy. You know what else is trying to destroy 2:09:10.200 --> 2:09:13.840 the concept of democracy. That's right, Chris, products and services, 2:09:14.080 --> 2:09:17.800 that's right. Oh my god, we are just having a 2:09:17.800 --> 2:09:20.520 great time here. So let's talk about stand for Students, 2:09:20.560 --> 2:09:24.040 which is a telegram channel that Garrison pointed out to me, 2:09:24.080 --> 2:09:27.920 and I spent more time than I really wanted to. Yeah, 2:09:28.040 --> 2:09:30.960 that's never, never, never a good idea. So the stuff 2:09:31.000 --> 2:09:33.600 in here, this is number one, on the surface, a 2:09:33.680 --> 2:09:36.160 much more moderate group. These people are not ranting about 2:09:36.200 --> 2:09:40.920 like Jews destroying civilization or the need to like execute 2:09:42.280 --> 2:09:46.240 black people or something like that. Um, the stuff in 2:09:46.280 --> 2:09:48.120 here runs the gamut from like one of the first 2:09:48.120 --> 2:09:52.760 things I found was a clip from Jesse Ventura, wrestler, 2:09:53.280 --> 2:09:56.680 predator star and former governor once had a conspiracy TV show. 2:09:56.960 --> 2:10:00.400 There's a popular clip in anti vaccine Circle is from 2:10:00.400 --> 2:10:03.640 it where he's talking with Alex Jones about the Builderberg 2:10:03.640 --> 2:10:05.600 group and stuff. So I found that in there, which 2:10:05.640 --> 2:10:10.600 is like pretty garden variety, like early two thousands conspiracy nonsense. 2:10:10.680 --> 2:10:13.960 Definitely like, oh yeah, these are like older people like 2:10:14.000 --> 2:10:17.040 I don't think what mostly boomers, but definitely gen X 2:10:17.080 --> 2:10:19.200 and stuff like folks who were in like their forties 2:10:19.240 --> 2:10:21.760 and fifties. Um, this is the kind of ship that 2:10:21.800 --> 2:10:24.080 they would have been like exposed to in their late 2:10:24.080 --> 2:10:28.360 twenties and whatnot. Um. One of the posters I found 2:10:28.800 --> 2:10:32.120 commenting on that video said, quote aired onto TV in two, 2:10:32.120 --> 2:10:34.440 that's a nine about a plan for depopulation through a 2:10:34.520 --> 2:10:38.160 virus and injections. Too much of a coincidence, and another 2:10:38.200 --> 2:10:40.880 responded to this. I was never a huge Alex Jones fan, 2:10:40.960 --> 2:10:43.560 but he was right all along. My kids were born 2:10:43.600 --> 2:10:45.920 in the early eighties and I refused their vaxes way 2:10:45.920 --> 2:10:48.320 back then. Unfortunately, one of them is now a late 2:10:48.360 --> 2:10:51.640 thirties CNN jabbed zombie and has infected my grandkids with 2:10:51.640 --> 2:10:58.360 this inspiric experimental treatment. I'm done, um, which is silly, 2:10:58.400 --> 2:11:01.000 but it also keeps you in like the are it's 2:11:01.080 --> 2:11:02.760 it's what you see a lot with Q and on right. 2:11:02.760 --> 2:11:06.840 It's these folks who are getting brought in onto telegraph. Yeah, 2:11:06.880 --> 2:11:09.880 it's great. It's terrible that this person, this lady who 2:11:09.920 --> 2:11:14.120 has to be what in her fifties sixties, My parents 2:11:14.200 --> 2:11:18.800 age the boomer um is on Telegram, which two years 2:11:18.800 --> 2:11:22.040 ago even was the only Americans you were would find 2:11:22.040 --> 2:11:26.600 were like extremely online nazi weirdos. Um. Yeah, I remember 2:11:26.640 --> 2:11:29.200 doing like old training. It's like, yeah, I was like 2:11:29.280 --> 2:11:32.200 over over two years ago, and Telegram was nowhere near 2:11:32.240 --> 2:11:35.680 this prevallem for like regular organizing. And this is a 2:11:35.760 --> 2:11:39.040 result of of the d platforming of folks in the 2:11:39.040 --> 2:11:41.920 wake of the capital attack. But anyway, we don't need 2:11:41.920 --> 2:11:43.840 to get too much into that right now, So I 2:11:43.880 --> 2:11:45.280 want to talk a little bit more about some of 2:11:45.320 --> 2:11:47.840 the things folks are sharing in this in this channel, 2:11:47.840 --> 2:11:50.080 which is again kind of like I'm gonna guess everyone 2:11:50.160 --> 2:11:53.680 here is kind of late thirties to maybe sixties, fifties, sixties. 2:11:54.240 --> 2:11:57.680 There's one local story that it was actually very popular 2:11:57.800 --> 2:12:00.520 among a lot of like lefty folks on Twitter of 2:12:00.560 --> 2:12:03.080 this like group of dads who showed up to stop 2:12:03.120 --> 2:12:05.520 there's like an epidemic of fighting in their school or something, 2:12:05.520 --> 2:12:07.600 and they showed up to do like a community policing 2:12:07.800 --> 2:12:10.560 or a community self defense sort of thing. It was 2:12:10.560 --> 2:12:13.080 celebrated by a lot of folks because it was like, oh, hey, 2:12:13.120 --> 2:12:15.680 this is you know, a way that communities can protect 2:12:15.720 --> 2:12:18.360 themselves without cops YadA YadA, YadA, which is a nice 2:12:18.440 --> 2:12:23.680 thing to see. It was also celebrated um by these people, um, 2:12:23.760 --> 2:12:26.640 by by people in this channel, and specifically the clip 2:12:26.720 --> 2:12:29.240 of the news story covering this I found was from 2:12:29.280 --> 2:12:33.040 the Pepe Lives Matter channel, which is, um, you know, 2:12:33.120 --> 2:12:36.520 an alt right channel like it. Again, as we were 2:12:36.560 --> 2:12:39.520 talking about earlier, the Pepe Lives isn't all like the 2:12:39.560 --> 2:12:43.240 way full Nazi pilled stuff, um, but it shares a 2:12:43.280 --> 2:12:45.839 lot of stuff from the channels that are straight up Nazis, 2:12:45.840 --> 2:12:48.160 and so you can you can see already this like 2:12:48.800 --> 2:12:51.480 lady in her sixties who's probably was some pretty normal 2:12:51.480 --> 2:12:55.040 boomer three years ago, is now two steps away from 2:12:55.280 --> 2:12:59.600 Adam often type motherfucker's that's just the way telegram works, um, 2:12:59.720 --> 2:13:03.000 and all kind of bonding over again, this is not 2:13:03.080 --> 2:13:05.560 a bad story what these local dads did, but it 2:13:05.640 --> 2:13:08.440 very much ties into this idea of like we gotta 2:13:08.480 --> 2:13:10.960 get all these parents together and take action in the 2:13:11.000 --> 2:13:13.760 real world, like and that's gonna that's gonna go towards 2:13:13.800 --> 2:13:16.080 taking action against the people you don't want showing up 2:13:16.080 --> 2:13:22.000 in your school, meaning like black children and like children, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:13:22.000 --> 2:13:25.839 community self defense is great, but also it really depends 2:13:25.880 --> 2:13:30.360 on what community is defending itself from what. UM. So 2:13:30.560 --> 2:13:33.120 that's uh, we'll probably we'll have to talk about that 2:13:33.160 --> 2:13:36.400 more at some point in the future. But Yeah, Another 2:13:36.440 --> 2:13:39.000 thing I found on that channel was video this. This 2:13:39.080 --> 2:13:41.760 I dug into a bit. So there was this video 2:13:42.240 --> 2:13:44.440 that was claimed to be an ad. It was, in 2:13:44.480 --> 2:13:47.680 fact an ad that Comcast had refused to air. UM 2:13:47.680 --> 2:13:51.080 and the video this, this unaired ad claimed that it 2:13:51.120 --> 2:13:53.560 was about. It was telling the story of a thirteen 2:13:53.600 --> 2:13:57.720 year old girl, Maddie de Garay Um, who was vaccinated. 2:13:57.760 --> 2:14:00.920 She was part of a FASER trial and had she claims, 2:14:00.920 --> 2:14:04.840 like a disastrously bad reaction. UM an ad about her 2:14:04.840 --> 2:14:08.680 situation was rejected by Comcast. UM and this girl like 2:14:08.720 --> 2:14:10.960 has done the whole right wing in her I'm I'm 2:14:11.000 --> 2:14:13.080 guessing her parents are the driver's done the whole right 2:14:13.080 --> 2:14:16.760 wing media kind of circuit at this point. UM. The 2:14:16.800 --> 2:14:19.160 fact that Comcast banned the ad is what the people 2:14:19.160 --> 2:14:22.040 in this telegram channel were yelling about. UM. And I 2:14:22.080 --> 2:14:25.400 want to actually quote from the an article about why 2:14:25.520 --> 2:14:28.320 Comcast rejected it, because it makes clear what's actually happening here. 2:14:28.720 --> 2:14:30.640 Comcast is said to have told the ads buyer it 2:14:30.680 --> 2:14:33.839 was rejected because it needed substantiation at all. Graphic images 2:14:33.880 --> 2:14:37.600 needed to be removed. Documents reportedly submitted for substantiation included 2:14:37.640 --> 2:14:39.720 the girl's complete medical records, which are said to have 2:14:39.720 --> 2:14:43.320 outlined symptoms such as erratic blood pressure and pulse, muscle spasms, 2:14:43.400 --> 2:14:45.840 muscle tremors, headaches, brain fog, mixing up words, and the 2:14:45.840 --> 2:14:49.200 inability to walk and cough. Um. So you've got this 2:14:49.240 --> 2:14:52.560 case where number one there's graphic images, um, and number 2:14:52.560 --> 2:14:56.720 two there's documentations that this girl has symptoms, but there's 2:14:56.720 --> 2:14:59.400 not documentation that they're tied in any way to the vaccine, 2:14:59.400 --> 2:15:03.000 Like it's just one these The comcast is being careful 2:15:03.000 --> 2:15:09.560 to not spread unsubstantiated shit about vaccine reactions and stuff. Um. 2:15:09.600 --> 2:15:12.920 But within the telegram channel, the focus is entirely on 2:15:13.000 --> 2:15:16.680 like how this is evidence of this conspiracy there suppressing 2:15:16.720 --> 2:15:21.480 the information, suppressing information. UM. One response was, why in 2:15:21.520 --> 2:15:24.480 Heaven's name don't these parents do their research before having 2:15:24.520 --> 2:15:27.600 their kids vaccinated? My heart goes out to the precious 2:15:27.640 --> 2:15:29.840 child and family. What a lesson to learn for so 2:15:29.880 --> 2:15:34.000 many parents. Never too late to educate yourselves people. UM. 2:15:34.080 --> 2:15:35.919 Also I want to point it just that the spelling 2:15:36.080 --> 2:15:41.879 and the area incredible. There's an upsetting amount of emojis 2:15:41.960 --> 2:15:45.360 that Yeah, honestly I couldn't never never two with one 2:15:45.440 --> 2:15:50.040 oh late to educate your space selves. Uh, it's just 2:15:50.720 --> 2:15:53.400 again and now I'm doing the doing the thing. I'm 2:15:53.440 --> 2:15:55.840 doing the thing I tried not to. I did try 2:15:55.880 --> 2:15:58.240 to give it a straight read through. You can be 2:15:58.400 --> 2:16:01.640 challenging with it. It's like a very content it's it's 2:16:01.800 --> 2:16:04.360 very funny. Yeah, but but but I think you know this, 2:16:04.640 --> 2:16:07.280 this is this goes back to the whole point about 2:16:07.280 --> 2:16:09.520 how this pradicalization works, right, which is you know you have, 2:16:11.440 --> 2:16:13.720 especially with anti vax stuff that has this sort of 2:16:14.480 --> 2:16:18.480 larger base from just like regular peer like hard right 2:16:18.600 --> 2:16:22.400 Nazi stuff. You get to see people who you know, 2:16:22.760 --> 2:16:25.680 otherwise probably would be a vaguely normal person, very very 2:16:25.760 --> 2:16:27.560 quickly get all this stuff and very quickly just go 2:16:27.600 --> 2:16:30.320 off the deep end. They're not like, yeah, it's these 2:16:30.560 --> 2:16:32.920 it is it's hard to like say like these are 2:16:32.959 --> 2:16:36.439 all extremists because like they themselves aren't extremists. There's surrounded 2:16:36.440 --> 2:16:39.360 by so much content that is made by extremists that 2:16:39.440 --> 2:16:41.520 it's making them do these things, which is how which 2:16:41.520 --> 2:16:44.320 is how extremism works, right. But it's it's challenging because 2:16:44.360 --> 2:16:46.320 like when you try to explain this to someone, you're like, no, 2:16:46.440 --> 2:16:49.120 this is obviously just like a regular grandma or something, right, 2:16:49.480 --> 2:16:51.240 And it's hard to explain to them how fast this 2:16:51.360 --> 2:16:53.480 thing can move to the point where they're showing up 2:16:53.520 --> 2:16:56.040 at a school board with their grand killed children yelling 2:16:56.160 --> 2:16:58.640 at like teachers and stuff. Yeah, and it's not that 2:16:58.920 --> 2:17:02.520 this lady is a Nazi. It's that this lady can be, 2:17:02.720 --> 2:17:05.680 through the process you just outlined, convinced to stand up 2:17:06.160 --> 2:17:10.960 next to a Nazi and like, uh, defend his his 2:17:11.120 --> 2:17:13.720 right to do violence to people. She has been convinced 2:17:13.840 --> 2:17:17.360 are president a threat to the lives of her, her grandchildren, 2:17:18.000 --> 2:17:21.000 which is people may say like the whole like, oh, 2:17:21.080 --> 2:17:23.280 it's not worth parsing out that much if you're standing 2:17:23.320 --> 2:17:24.800 next to a Nazi or a Nazi, but like I 2:17:24.840 --> 2:17:28.920 would argue, no, what's actually the logistics of what is 2:17:29.000 --> 2:17:32.280 happening here are much more dangerous than a grandma got 2:17:32.400 --> 2:17:37.080 radicalized into national socialism. Anyway. Another meme I found it 2:17:37.240 --> 2:17:40.720 was a screen grab from fucking um Shawshank Redemption with 2:17:41.280 --> 2:17:43.800 Morgan Freeman and I don't know whatever. One of the 2:17:43.840 --> 2:17:46.720 white dudes in that movie in prison jumpsuits sitting next 2:17:46.760 --> 2:17:48.760 to each other, and it's the text on it is 2:17:48.800 --> 2:17:50.680 what are you in for? I spoke of at a 2:17:50.720 --> 2:17:52.960 school board meeting, which you she see a lot of 2:17:53.040 --> 2:17:55.360 stuff like this, this idea that they're going to jail, 2:17:55.360 --> 2:17:57.520 they're going to get rated by the FBI because they're 2:17:57.560 --> 2:18:01.000 like showing up at school boards to pro test vaccine 2:18:01.040 --> 2:18:05.440 mandates and mask mandates. Um. And then like in the 2:18:05.520 --> 2:18:08.680 middle of all this stuff, mostly talking about like anti vaction, 2:18:08.879 --> 2:18:13.280 there's also this post talking about how this post that's 2:18:13.320 --> 2:18:16.520 a video of a woman at a school board talking 2:18:16.560 --> 2:18:19.800 about how a book needed to be banned, and she's reading. 2:18:20.040 --> 2:18:23.160 The book she's reading is a queer memoir. Um. And 2:18:23.400 --> 2:18:25.720 I'll talk about I'll talk about this more at the end, 2:18:25.800 --> 2:18:27.640 but you can definitely mention it here because it gets 2:18:27.720 --> 2:18:29.800 up a lot. It's it's a gay it's a gay 2:18:29.840 --> 2:18:31.800 coming of age story, right, And as a result, there's 2:18:31.800 --> 2:18:35.280 a couple of semi graphic scenes in it. And she 2:18:35.480 --> 2:18:36.960 like gets up in front of the school board and 2:18:37.000 --> 2:18:40.600 reads this and argues that it's basically like pornography. The children. 2:18:40.800 --> 2:18:43.720 They think it's child pornography. Yeah, that's what they're marching 2:18:45.000 --> 2:18:47.879 mistaken what child pornography is. They're trying to they're trying 2:18:47.920 --> 2:18:49.640 to get all the people at the school board either 2:18:49.760 --> 2:18:53.000 killed or arrested over this. That is that is their goal. 2:18:53.160 --> 2:18:55.240 And I'll talk about this specific instance later because it 2:18:55.360 --> 2:18:57.560 keeps coming up with all of these channels, and it's 2:18:57.600 --> 2:19:00.240 one of the main things that links someone from like 2:19:00.320 --> 2:19:02.240 a sodden red channel to a channel like this. This 2:19:02.360 --> 2:19:04.040 is like one of the main things they've been using 2:19:04.080 --> 2:19:06.160 the past few weeks, like this is the current, this 2:19:06.280 --> 2:19:08.480 is like the past, and and this is this though 2:19:08.520 --> 2:19:10.240 has been going on for a while. You've seen a 2:19:10.320 --> 2:19:12.160 lot of like the libertarian right wing, a lot of 2:19:12.200 --> 2:19:15.640 like kill your local pedophile shirts because who's gonna Most 2:19:15.680 --> 2:19:20.120 people don't think, like, who's going to defend a pedophile pedophiles? Yeah, 2:19:20.560 --> 2:19:22.600 the proud boy at the Portland school Board who was 2:19:22.680 --> 2:19:25.240 standing and ready to fight, the ready to fight security 2:19:25.240 --> 2:19:28.240 guards and stuff, he was wearing a kill your local pedophile. Uh, 2:19:29.280 --> 2:19:30.600 it's this is this is the thing. This is the 2:19:30.600 --> 2:19:32.080 thing the right wing figured out. And if they figured 2:19:32.120 --> 2:19:34.240 this out a long time ago, which is that Okay, 2:19:34.360 --> 2:19:37.560 if you want to get a bunch of people who 2:19:37.600 --> 2:19:41.600 are vaguely normal to do like absolutely horrible violence, the 2:19:41.680 --> 2:19:43.200 way you do it is to tell them that they're 2:19:43.200 --> 2:19:46.560 threatening kids and it doesn't matter what you went on 2:19:46.640 --> 2:19:50.480 works so well yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and you know, 2:19:50.560 --> 2:19:54.360 and this once and once you've convinced you know, like this, 2:19:54.560 --> 2:19:55.640 this is this is just a very I think a 2:19:55.720 --> 2:19:57.880 very important thing about media messaging in general is that 2:19:58.440 --> 2:20:01.520 the literally the instant someone says think of the children, 2:20:02.040 --> 2:20:05.080 you need to stop and you need to disregard everything 2:20:05.160 --> 2:20:10.040 they're about to say after that with a stick. Yeah, 2:20:10.160 --> 2:20:14.520 Like of the time that person is like about to 2:20:14.640 --> 2:20:17.240 try to convince you that like you need to like 2:20:17.400 --> 2:20:18.920 we need to murder the gauge or something like that. 2:20:19.000 --> 2:20:21.920 Like That's that. That's the thing that follows from I 2:20:22.040 --> 2:20:26.120 feel confident saying no one has ever advocated thinking of 2:20:26.240 --> 2:20:28.760 the children and meant anything, but I want to kill 2:20:28.879 --> 2:20:33.400 this specific group of people. Um just like I that's 2:20:33.760 --> 2:20:37.640 not even really hyperbole. It's it's a a trite and 2:20:37.680 --> 2:20:40.280 true organizing tactic for these people. And it's part of 2:20:40.320 --> 2:20:44.280 the reason why, like the famous white nationalist catchphrase is 2:20:44.360 --> 2:20:47.280 focused around we need to secure a future for white children, right, Like, 2:20:47.400 --> 2:20:49.920 that's what they're always talking about with all of this 2:20:50.080 --> 2:20:53.520 ship and it's it's about being able to demonize a 2:20:53.560 --> 2:20:55.400 group in a way that they can't be defended. It's 2:20:55.400 --> 2:20:58.680 about ending any sort of debate or conversation, and it's 2:20:58.720 --> 2:21:03.960 about justifying thoughtless violence because it's you're protecting children. Um, 2:21:04.680 --> 2:21:07.720 you know who else protects children? Robert definitely not the 2:21:07.800 --> 2:21:11.560 advertisers of this show, um, because we are sponsored by 2:21:12.040 --> 2:21:16.240 raytheon brand. School bus seeking missiles the only missiles that 2:21:16.400 --> 2:21:19.640 only seek school buses. You cannot shoot them at a tank, 2:21:19.760 --> 2:21:21.920 at a at a technical at a at a terrorist 2:21:22.280 --> 2:21:24.879 training camp. They go right for school buses no matter 2:21:24.959 --> 2:21:26.560 where you aim them. So in that way, they are 2:21:26.560 --> 2:21:28.600 a fire and forget kind of weapon as long as 2:21:28.959 --> 2:21:32.000 you're willing to forget anything but hitting a child's school 2:21:32.040 --> 2:21:34.360 bus with a with a missile. Okay, here's here's some 2:21:34.959 --> 2:21:38.200 check it out. All right, Well we're back still talking 2:21:38.200 --> 2:21:41.520 about this. Uh yeah, so last segment for this episode. 2:21:42.040 --> 2:21:43.640 As we as we as I was talking about that, 2:21:44.080 --> 2:21:46.720 there's a post that In the post is a video 2:21:46.840 --> 2:21:49.000 of a woman from a different school board meeting reading 2:21:49.040 --> 2:21:52.800 out a graphics, graphic ish sex scene from this queer memoir, 2:21:53.240 --> 2:21:58.760 and ranting about how it's it's child pornography. Comments include 2:21:59.000 --> 2:22:03.880 fucking monsters running these schools, satanic and disgusting an elementary school. Unreal. 2:22:04.560 --> 2:22:07.640 Why aren't charges brought against the school for distributing pornography 2:22:07.680 --> 2:22:12.520 to minors? It's not even reading, they could, It's just 2:22:12.640 --> 2:22:16.840 available from some other library. It's like, because you can 2:22:16.920 --> 2:22:20.199 request a lot of books at libraries in all caps. 2:22:20.360 --> 2:22:23.000 Where's the sheriffs, where are the city, county, state and 2:22:23.120 --> 2:22:27.959 federal task forces? And uh yeah, it's I'll talk about 2:22:28.000 --> 2:22:30.040 this more in the next episode. Tied to just the 2:22:30.160 --> 2:22:34.800 overarching anti anti queer, anti trans, anti gay school board 2:22:35.480 --> 2:22:37.800 side of things, and of course other things I found. 2:22:37.840 --> 2:22:41.360 There's like video of them celebrating Capital rioters, celebrating Josh 2:22:41.440 --> 2:22:44.360 Holly for defending Capital rioters. Um. I went into some 2:22:44.480 --> 2:22:47.480 other channels that were adjacent that I saw shared, you know, 2:22:47.640 --> 2:22:50.840 in this channel. One of them was Oscar's midnight writer 2:22:51.000 --> 2:22:54.279 Patriot Post channel, which actually has thousands and thousands of followers. 2:22:54.320 --> 2:22:57.680 Average post would get two to three thousand views. Um, 2:22:57.920 --> 2:23:00.800 here's one. I'm considered a domestic terrorist if I tell 2:23:00.840 --> 2:23:02.440 a school board that I don't want my eight year 2:23:02.480 --> 2:23:05.879 old daughter watching sex videos in her third grade classroom. Um, 2:23:06.040 --> 2:23:08.840 And that post was right above this post. The Constitution 2:23:08.959 --> 2:23:11.600 actually says you can legally overthrow your government if they 2:23:11.640 --> 2:23:14.560 are tyrannical. And that post was right above this post, 2:23:14.640 --> 2:23:17.640 which was a screen which was a screen grab from 2:23:17.840 --> 2:23:21.199 a Twitter account for a guy who calls himself Murray 2:23:21.280 --> 2:23:25.240 Rothbard's seventeen seventy six The FBI didn't rate Epstein Island 2:23:25.320 --> 2:23:27.760 or protect hundreds of young female gymnasts from being sexually 2:23:27.800 --> 2:23:30.480 assaulted for years, but they'll raid your PTA meetings when 2:23:30.520 --> 2:23:33.120 you question the curriculum and on scientific mask mandates and 2:23:33.160 --> 2:23:37.080 their indoctrination camps, I mean public schools. And of course 2:23:37.440 --> 2:23:40.600 this from Twitter user named Emerald Robinson. And again this 2:23:40.720 --> 2:23:42.920 is all shared in that channel. It's like a screen 2:23:42.959 --> 2:23:45.760 grab from Twitter. When the FBI starts arresting parents at 2:23:45.760 --> 2:23:48.360 school board meetings, just remember the GOP senators who made 2:23:48.400 --> 2:23:51.080 it happen by confirming Merritt Gardland as Attorney General. And 2:23:51.120 --> 2:23:55.240 then it's a list of Republican u Emerald Emerald Robinson 2:23:55.360 --> 2:23:58.720 is the White House correspondent for news Max. Oh right, 2:23:58.840 --> 2:24:02.640 Oh my god. Yeah, you're right. Uh huh great great. 2:24:02.920 --> 2:24:06.960 So I don't know, that's probably all I should get into. Well, no, 2:24:07.120 --> 2:24:11.800 there's a wen one more things. So Oscar's Midnight Writer, 2:24:11.959 --> 2:24:15.000 which was shared in in that uh that school board 2:24:15.080 --> 2:24:18.360 channel took me to the Western Chauvinist school Board channel, 2:24:18.560 --> 2:24:20.880 which took me to a post which with a video 2:24:21.440 --> 2:24:23.600 UM with a link to a video. The text with 2:24:23.760 --> 2:24:26.080 the video was woman at school board meeting calls out 2:24:26.160 --> 2:24:29.600 Jewish power by name um and it's a woman ranting 2:24:29.640 --> 2:24:31.640 about how the Jews are behind all of the critical 2:24:31.720 --> 2:24:35.720 race theory in schools. Um. So again not hard to 2:24:35.760 --> 2:24:38.960 get to this kind of ship. Another post was it 2:24:39.120 --> 2:24:41.520 was in the Western Chauvinist Telegram. It was sharing a 2:24:41.600 --> 2:24:44.080 post from the Murder the Media Telegram, who were part 2:24:44.160 --> 2:24:47.240 of the Capital riot. UM. That post from Murder the 2:24:47.320 --> 2:24:50.920 Media was National school Board Association apology letter for calling 2:24:50.959 --> 2:24:53.720 you domestic terrorist. It was we'll talk about this later, 2:24:54.040 --> 2:24:56.400 but the comment in the Western Chauvinist was like, we 2:24:56.480 --> 2:25:00.280 don't apologize for being like for being domestic terror rists. 2:25:00.360 --> 2:25:02.959 Like we're yeah, we we think it's rad that they 2:25:03.000 --> 2:25:05.680 called us domestic terrorists. Because in this channel by the 2:25:05.720 --> 2:25:09.040 Way has over fifty subscribers UM and used to be 2:25:09.040 --> 2:25:11.560 a Proud Boy channel, which is now just a general 2:25:11.760 --> 2:25:15.560 kind of farther right wing organizing channel that it's probably 2:25:15.560 --> 2:25:18.560 it's one of the most shared Telegram channels in this 2:25:18.920 --> 2:25:22.920 whole network. UM and they are really good at creating 2:25:23.000 --> 2:25:26.000 propaganda that appeals to Trump voters while slipping in a 2:25:26.080 --> 2:25:30.080 lot of accelerationist talking points UM to slowly lead people 2:25:30.160 --> 2:25:32.200 on that redcrumb trail to make them be okay with 2:25:32.280 --> 2:25:36.400 mass violence. There was a comment in there, forwarded from 2:25:36.760 --> 2:25:39.600 another from the telegram account of a guy named Eric Striker, 2:25:40.320 --> 2:25:43.640 UM and this was a post Striker made commenting on 2:25:43.720 --> 2:25:45.840 a video of a father being dragged out of a 2:25:45.920 --> 2:25:51.200 quote woke school board meeting. UM for uh complaining of 2:25:51.840 --> 2:25:55.760 complaining about this kind of ship UM. The post from 2:25:55.879 --> 2:25:58.400 Eric Striker I think is worth reading, and I'm going 2:25:58.440 --> 2:26:00.600 to read it now. For now, all we can do 2:26:00.760 --> 2:26:04.199 is impotently watch injustices like this unfold. This is really upsetting. 2:26:04.280 --> 2:26:06.760 We must build our political organization to the point where 2:26:06.760 --> 2:26:10.680 we can rapidly mobilize to defend this man, including physical demonstrations, 2:26:10.920 --> 2:26:13.320 sent him free legal support and make people realize that 2:26:13.360 --> 2:26:15.600 the time of fucking with whites is over. We need 2:26:15.640 --> 2:26:18.440 our own media, civil society groups and activists. We need 2:26:18.520 --> 2:26:21.400 money and volunteers. It's not the Republican Party or anything 2:26:21.480 --> 2:26:24.000 in the conservative movement. It never will be. We need 2:26:24.040 --> 2:26:26.760 to build it from scratch. We are well underway National 2:26:26.879 --> 2:26:30.560 Justice Party. We must quietly and patiently build. Eventually we 2:26:30.640 --> 2:26:32.480 will have the capacity to come on the scene when 2:26:32.520 --> 2:26:34.520 they least expect it and will be and we will 2:26:34.520 --> 2:26:37.760 be too powerful to stop. And that's probably where we 2:26:37.800 --> 2:26:43.040 should end for today. Yep, that's a good part on 2:26:44.200 --> 2:26:47.480 good sad intro into the current problem of schoolbar meetings. 2:26:47.680 --> 2:26:50.520 We'll get into a lot more like accelerating rhetoric in 2:26:50.560 --> 2:26:52.080 the next bit and then talk about kind where the 2:26:52.120 --> 2:26:55.400 stuff originated from and the other other side of things beyond, 2:26:55.560 --> 2:26:58.320 just like the CRT and UH and and mask stuff, 2:26:58.320 --> 2:27:00.160 because it branches out into a lot of other kind 2:27:00.160 --> 2:27:05.560 of adjacent cultural war bullshit issues. Um. Anyway, Yeah, we'll 2:27:05.600 --> 2:27:09.200 do that tomorrow. Um. You can follow the show on 2:27:09.560 --> 2:27:11.880 Twitter and Instagram, it happen here, pod and cool zone 2:27:11.920 --> 2:27:13.879 Media if you want to be on those apps, which 2:27:13.920 --> 2:27:15.920 I don't know why you would. Yeah, don't be on 2:27:16.040 --> 2:27:18.640 those apps. Get you know, I just found out they'll 2:27:18.680 --> 2:27:21.840 deliver skinned gators to your door. Get into cooking gators. 2:27:22.240 --> 2:27:24.280 That's what I plan to do. Getting off Twitter and 2:27:24.360 --> 2:27:30.920 I'm Gator is the new social network. So ga gator? 2:27:43.200 --> 2:27:49.640 What second? My part of this episode on right wing 2:27:49.879 --> 2:27:54.240 attempts to attack and dominate school board meetings in order 2:27:54.360 --> 2:27:58.360 to further their ability to do violence on marginalized groups. 2:27:58.600 --> 2:28:02.720 And also it rode democratic institutions from the ground. Uh 2:28:04.600 --> 2:28:09.920 statue title, Yeah, yeah, that'll that'll click. Well. Ah, I'm 2:28:09.959 --> 2:28:13.879 so glad we don't have to worry about clicking and titles. 2:28:13.920 --> 2:28:16.360 And that took up a lot of my mind back 2:28:16.400 --> 2:28:19.040 in the day, Garrison, back when, back when the internet 2:28:19.160 --> 2:28:21.600 was different. Now we don't have to worry about that anymore. 2:28:21.640 --> 2:28:23.520 But we do have to worry about our mobs of 2:28:23.600 --> 2:28:27.520 fascists attacking school board meetings. It happens every week, keeps 2:28:27.520 --> 2:28:30.879 happening more often. Boards are calling for assistance. That they 2:28:30.959 --> 2:28:34.119 seem pretty, they seem pretty, not thrilled. Yeah, they seem 2:28:34.400 --> 2:28:39.800 not psyched about. So where we're where? When we left off, 2:28:39.920 --> 2:28:42.280 I was talking about some things I found on the 2:28:42.400 --> 2:28:47.880 gram telegram. Uh, Garrison. What's next. I'll go into my 2:28:48.120 --> 2:28:52.320 preliminary research on Telegram and particularly response. Basically, I looked 2:28:52.320 --> 2:28:54.520 through every single Telegram post and all of the main 2:28:54.600 --> 2:28:57.960 fascist channels I lurk on that mentioned school boards from 2:28:58.040 --> 2:29:01.080 like the past two weeks. Um, so like yeah, this 2:29:01.200 --> 2:29:05.640 is like current current stuff on ongoing. UM. I got 2:29:05.680 --> 2:29:07.520 to a lot of the channels I was already familiar with, 2:29:07.760 --> 2:29:10.520 like you know, the Western Chavenist channel, which is uh 2:29:11.000 --> 2:29:14.360 subs um, the Standard Students channel, which was a when 2:29:14.360 --> 2:29:18.279 I was less familiar with, specifically dedicated to this school 2:29:18.320 --> 2:29:20.840 board issue. Um. One of one of the posts we 2:29:20.959 --> 2:29:24.760 have on there is UH says your enemy isn't some 2:29:25.200 --> 2:29:27.520 far off ship whole country. Your enemy is just down 2:29:27.560 --> 2:29:30.959 the street at your local school board meeting, teaching your 2:29:31.040 --> 2:29:35.240 kids to hate their ancestors, you and themselves. So like again, 2:29:35.400 --> 2:29:37.920 that is a very much white supremacist dog whistle just 2:29:38.080 --> 2:29:42.080 right there, um talking about producing Hollywood movies writing they're 2:29:44.800 --> 2:29:47.680 basically it's basically just a whistle. Um. So yeah. They 2:29:47.720 --> 2:29:49.440 then they, you know, the same post talks about you know, 2:29:49.720 --> 2:29:52.760 masks and shutting down businesses and the vaccines and stuff, 2:29:53.000 --> 2:29:54.640 and saying the fight is here and the fight is 2:29:54.680 --> 2:29:57.240 now so just in terms of like, yeah, they're really 2:29:57.320 --> 2:30:00.240 wanting to hype people up for doing this thing at 2:30:00.320 --> 2:30:03.040 school boards. They're trying to really hammer down the school 2:30:03.080 --> 2:30:05.480 board points. So like I found this, I found this post. 2:30:06.040 --> 2:30:08.680 This is this is a post from the Standford Students channel. 2:30:09.040 --> 2:30:11.240 Um and I saw this one re shared in a 2:30:11.280 --> 2:30:13.680 lot of different channels. One of the other first ones 2:30:13.720 --> 2:30:17.760 that I saw pop off was from Ron Watkins channel 2:30:17.879 --> 2:30:20.240 like Code monkey Z. He is one of the one 2:30:20.280 --> 2:30:21.840 of the architects or one of the you know people 2:30:21.879 --> 2:30:25.680 who really pushed Q and on stuff into He's the 2:30:25.760 --> 2:30:30.560 guy who ran like the physical infrastructure of Chan chan 2:30:30.680 --> 2:30:33.200 in eight Coon for years. Yeah. He and he's trying 2:30:33.240 --> 2:30:35.840 to pivot into being like having his just his face 2:30:35.959 --> 2:30:39.400 be like a kind of alternative right wing figure right now. Uh, 2:30:39.560 --> 2:30:43.760 he's gonna be running for office in Arizona, I believe. Anyway, 2:30:44.320 --> 2:30:46.760 he has a very popular telegram channel, um and he 2:30:47.040 --> 2:30:49.280 made he made this post that had over a thousand, 2:30:49.520 --> 2:30:51.440 over a thousand comments on it, which is a lot 2:30:51.520 --> 2:30:55.119 for telegram. A thousand comments on telegram post, especially telegram 2:30:55.160 --> 2:30:59.000 post of of code mackeyzs size. I ever see how 2:30:59.000 --> 2:31:01.920 how many subs doesn't so Ron just as context, Ron 2:31:02.000 --> 2:31:06.120 Watkins has four hundred and thirty two thousand subscribers on 2:31:06.360 --> 2:31:12.600 his on his telegram channel. So yeah, anyway, Uh, CRT 2:31:12.840 --> 2:31:18.640 is being rebranded as s e L a social emotional learning. 2:31:18.879 --> 2:31:21.480 If you are attending school board meetings as you should be, 2:31:21.840 --> 2:31:23.520 do what you can to make sure you stop both 2:31:23.800 --> 2:31:26.840 s e L and CRT and keep them and make 2:31:26.879 --> 2:31:30.760 sure that they are banned in your school districts. So again, 2:31:30.879 --> 2:31:33.840 just direct calls to action for getting people to show 2:31:33.920 --> 2:31:36.920 up to these school boards. And also, social emotional learning 2:31:37.200 --> 2:31:39.520 is not CRT, and of course SCRT is not even 2:31:39.560 --> 2:31:41.520 taught in schools. I think everyone who listens to this 2:31:41.959 --> 2:31:45.000 podcast knows that sr T, actually critical ray theory isn't 2:31:45.120 --> 2:31:47.360 taught in schools. This isn't an actual thing. It's it 2:31:47.520 --> 2:31:49.360 is like a legal theory. We'll get into more of 2:31:49.400 --> 2:31:51.360 how this got like pushed towards the end. I think 2:31:51.400 --> 2:31:54.600 Chris has some stuff prepared on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:31:54.840 --> 2:31:57.080 it's again these none of these things are actually real. 2:31:57.480 --> 2:32:00.200 It's a complex legal theory. What they're really mad about 2:32:00.240 --> 2:32:03.120 is their people are teaching that racism is like an 2:32:03.160 --> 2:32:05.680 issue that's built into a lot of American institutions, and 2:32:05.720 --> 2:32:07.520 it's an ongoing thing. It's not a thing of the past. 2:32:07.600 --> 2:32:09.320 That's what they're actually mad about, and they just call 2:32:09.400 --> 2:32:12.560 that crt. Some some of the comments from the Ron 2:32:12.600 --> 2:32:16.560 Watkins post, stuff like these snowflakes are so annoying. I'm 2:32:16.560 --> 2:32:18.520 about to start cutting power to any school in my 2:32:18.600 --> 2:32:23.520 community that teaches this. Um so yeah, more Again, that's 2:32:23.560 --> 2:32:26.400 just a direct, direct threat of doing terrorism. Should like, 2:32:27.560 --> 2:32:32.280 I mean, less of a threat and more of a promise. Yeah, 2:32:32.680 --> 2:32:36.800 does that? No? Sure it doesn't. Alright, Well I don't 2:32:36.959 --> 2:32:40.040 understand things the same way you zoomers do. Please continue. Yeah, 2:32:40.080 --> 2:32:42.480 a lot of a lot of posts being a shipped 2:32:42.480 --> 2:32:45.440 around from channel to channel, including this full Nazi channels 2:32:45.520 --> 2:32:48.480 were like trying to trying to of course, like lots 2:32:48.480 --> 2:32:50.080 of Nazis are actually you know, I thought it was 2:32:50.120 --> 2:32:52.720 pretty funny that the that the school board union put 2:32:52.800 --> 2:32:55.200 in a call to assistance to the federal government to 2:32:55.280 --> 2:32:57.080 deal with this issue. They of course they thought that 2:32:57.160 --> 2:32:58.880 was funny. But they're going to use this to like 2:32:59.080 --> 2:33:01.800 spread networks to be like, hey, the government wants to 2:33:01.840 --> 2:33:04.520 stop you. They're calling you a terrorist. You like regular 2:33:04.600 --> 2:33:06.640 folk are being called terrorist because you're showing up the 2:33:06.640 --> 2:33:08.480 school boards, right, that's the kind of message that they're 2:33:08.480 --> 2:33:10.760 going to shoot out. So they a lot of Nazi 2:33:10.840 --> 2:33:12.960 channels crafted a lot of posts like that that got 2:33:13.080 --> 2:33:17.520 shared around a lot. Yeah, in trying to basically all 2:33:17.600 --> 2:33:20.920 time critical race theory and if you approached against critical 2:33:21.000 --> 2:33:23.400 race theory, they're calling you a domestic terrorist. That that 2:33:23.560 --> 2:33:26.120 type of thing. And this got this got shared in 2:33:26.240 --> 2:33:28.160 the school boards channel, and a whole bunch of whole 2:33:28.200 --> 2:33:31.080 bunch of other stuff being being talking about how if 2:33:31.360 --> 2:33:33.480 you if you stand up, you're gonna be a domestic terrorist. 2:33:33.520 --> 2:33:35.520 You have to be brave and do this. A few 2:33:35.640 --> 2:33:38.400 days after the school board Uh, not a few days, 2:33:38.400 --> 2:33:39.880 I guess this. This was this was in like in 2:33:40.040 --> 2:33:45.240 October um, the school Association retracted some of the some 2:33:45.400 --> 2:33:47.760 of the words that they used in their letter because 2:33:47.840 --> 2:33:51.080 of this backlash that was created. And this was also 2:33:51.200 --> 2:33:54.680 shared in shared in uh lots of fascist channels. The 2:33:54.760 --> 2:33:56.720 main one who is shared in that I saw was 2:33:56.879 --> 2:34:00.360 the Honk Pills channel UM, which is just another type 2:34:00.400 --> 2:34:04.560 of Peppe meme Um, one of the other one of 2:34:04.640 --> 2:34:07.680 the other big big kind of groups active in this. 2:34:08.800 --> 2:34:10.520 In this whole sphere. And this this has been a 2:34:10.560 --> 2:34:12.400 group going on for a while and we haven't talked 2:34:12.440 --> 2:34:14.640 about on the pod, but we probably should do something eventually. 2:34:15.000 --> 2:34:17.440 Is this group called White Rose, So this is a 2:34:17.560 --> 2:34:21.039 White Rose is a COVID conspiracy group that has been 2:34:21.160 --> 2:34:25.680 very uh successful in creating on the ground organizers who 2:34:25.680 --> 2:34:27.879 are regular people. They do a lot of like sticker 2:34:27.920 --> 2:34:30.360 bombs and lots of neighborhoods. If you have if you 2:34:30.480 --> 2:34:33.400 ever seen anti like COVID or COVID conspiracy stickers in 2:34:33.440 --> 2:34:36.160 your neighborhood, it was probably a White Rose sticker. UM. 2:34:36.280 --> 2:34:38.360 These are all over the States and basically every time. 2:34:39.240 --> 2:34:42.280 As a quick heads up, the original White Rose was 2:34:42.480 --> 2:34:46.840 a student protest organization that existed in Nazi Germany UM 2:34:47.040 --> 2:34:52.279 and protested illegally and its organizers were executed by the Nazis. 2:34:52.320 --> 2:34:53.520 And I think it was the mid forty I mean 2:34:53.520 --> 2:34:57.240 it would be like like forty three, maybe maybe forty four. UM. 2:34:57.320 --> 2:35:01.040 Sophie Shoal was the person most associated with them. So 2:35:01.120 --> 2:35:05.600 they they're they're they've taken the names of these these heroes, 2:35:05.959 --> 2:35:10.160 UM in order to it's just disgusting, it's very gross. 2:35:10.320 --> 2:35:13.080 There's there's a decent amount of decent amount of researchers 2:35:13.080 --> 2:35:16.520 in this field. Thinks that there's like actual bad people 2:35:16.640 --> 2:35:18.440 behind White Rose of course, with like like bad people 2:35:18.440 --> 2:35:20.680 because they're spending COVID stuff, but like like wait, like 2:35:20.920 --> 2:35:24.000 like more like bad actors use basically astroturfing this thing, 2:35:24.840 --> 2:35:28.240 but at White rosterserves its own piece later. But because 2:35:28.280 --> 2:35:30.880 they have such a big following on telegram, they are 2:35:30.959 --> 2:35:35.480 of course using using this to using the school board 2:35:35.520 --> 2:35:37.039 thing to gain more support, and they have about fifty 2:35:37.400 --> 2:35:40.920 subscribers to their specific telegram channel. They showed a post 2:35:41.840 --> 2:35:44.280 a few weeks ago saying thank you to all the 2:35:44.320 --> 2:35:46.400 brave parents going out to their school boards and standing 2:35:46.520 --> 2:35:49.960 up for the children. Um. And they try that, you know, 2:35:50.040 --> 2:35:52.080 get people to do sticker bombs and stuff, but the 2:35:52.160 --> 2:35:54.360 fact that there's like specifically calling out people in school 2:35:54.360 --> 2:35:57.560 boards is like an extra step of like beyond just 2:35:57.640 --> 2:36:02.200 putting stickers up in your neighborhood. Um. Another another another 2:36:02.320 --> 2:36:06.160 White Right Rose post. They shared a shared a video 2:36:07.240 --> 2:36:11.680 UM that was captioned as concerned parent absolutely destroys school 2:36:11.720 --> 2:36:14.600 board with facts. The school boards are the battlefield of 2:36:14.680 --> 2:36:17.880 our time. This is how it's done. And just the 2:36:18.000 --> 2:36:20.840 increasing rhetoric around like battlefields. This is where like the 2:36:20.920 --> 2:36:24.800 fight is at all that kind of stuff. Um. There 2:36:24.879 --> 2:36:28.279 was another another, Uh, the White White Chauvinist Channel shared 2:36:28.360 --> 2:36:31.840 a video from Fox News UM and they they the 2:36:32.080 --> 2:36:34.880 Western Chauvinist Channel, which is again it's one of the 2:36:34.959 --> 2:36:37.640 most shared ones in this whole network. They captioned this 2:36:37.720 --> 2:36:40.120 saying parents and Virginia are trying to fight back against 2:36:40.320 --> 2:36:44.000 the school board that is anti white. Um. Every every 2:36:44.040 --> 2:36:46.879 school district in America needs to have an anti mandate 2:36:47.160 --> 2:36:51.240 pro right parents running for the school board. So that's 2:36:51.280 --> 2:36:53.760 just the It's this type of stuff all over and 2:36:53.840 --> 2:36:57.360 this this this post was got it has like an 2:36:57.440 --> 2:37:03.320 eleven eleven thousand, eleven thousand views. Um. So these things 2:37:03.360 --> 2:37:04.800 are spreading to a lot of a lot of these 2:37:04.800 --> 2:37:07.040 specific networks. And I mean, I I have so many 2:37:07.080 --> 2:37:08.320 of this kind of stuff. I'm not going to go 2:37:08.440 --> 2:37:10.760 through every single one in detail. There's ones that are 2:37:10.800 --> 2:37:13.560 way more like openly anti Semitic, uh, you know saying, 2:37:13.600 --> 2:37:16.160 you know the Jews that run you know, ex school board, 2:37:16.680 --> 2:37:20.560 um are trying to force vaccinations on every student over twelve. Um. 2:37:21.400 --> 2:37:24.640 Other another Uh, there's this fake this is this this 2:37:24.760 --> 2:37:28.160 fake Clint Eastwood channel on Telegram. That's pretty popular. Someone 2:37:28.200 --> 2:37:32.960 who's pretending to be Clint Eastwood that spreads far right stuff. Um. 2:37:33.120 --> 2:37:34.960 He had a post that was shared a lot that 2:37:35.040 --> 2:37:37.879 started by saying, start taking over school boards, start taking 2:37:37.879 --> 2:37:41.199 over city council, start taking over city boards. Um, start 2:37:41.240 --> 2:37:44.600 to start being poll watchers, start being poll workers, start 2:37:44.680 --> 2:37:47.600 taking over sheriff's departments. It's not enough just to vote. 2:37:47.800 --> 2:37:49.360 So this, this is the other thing that we're going 2:37:49.400 --> 2:37:52.279 to see a lot more of, is rhetoric around voting. 2:37:52.360 --> 2:37:55.080 Isn't enough. You need to start doing more things. Um, 2:37:55.680 --> 2:37:58.760 there is one of it. Yeah, here, here's here's one. 2:37:59.200 --> 2:38:01.560 This is gonna this is referencing some of the trans stuff. 2:38:01.560 --> 2:38:02.880 I'll discussing a bit, but I just want to tie 2:38:02.920 --> 2:38:05.959 it in now. A post from the Western Chauvinist Channel 2:38:06.000 --> 2:38:10.440 saying there is no political solution, which is a direct Nazi, 2:38:10.800 --> 2:38:14.200 a direct Nazi lie. I mean that, That's what I 2:38:14.280 --> 2:38:16.720 did an article early this year on Riley Williams, the 2:38:16.840 --> 2:38:20.160 Nazi who stole Pelosi's laptop during the Capitol riot, and 2:38:20.240 --> 2:38:23.039 then like the video that we were able to identify 2:38:23.200 --> 2:38:25.760 her as a sig hiling Nazi and That's how she 2:38:25.879 --> 2:38:28.280 opened her quote. There is no political solution. It's a 2:38:28.480 --> 2:38:33.520 very common catchphrase among like the the fast right. Yeah, 2:38:34.120 --> 2:38:36.520 So there's been a lot of stuff around harassing like 2:38:36.560 --> 2:38:39.760 specific school board members, harassing specific teachers. There was this 2:38:39.840 --> 2:38:42.160 teacher in I think in California that was trying to 2:38:42.240 --> 2:38:45.800 like introduced like like anti fascist type rhetoric and talking 2:38:45.800 --> 2:38:48.240 about how fascism is a modern thing. They got absolutely 2:38:48.320 --> 2:38:52.160 bashed um and like docs um, and they got it 2:38:52.240 --> 2:38:54.480 I think fired because there was like hundreds of of 2:38:54.600 --> 2:38:57.440 parents organizing on on apps like telegram to harass this 2:38:57.520 --> 2:38:59.360 one teacher at school board's that you know, they took 2:38:59.400 --> 2:39:01.880 over massive goool board meetings and just talked about this 2:39:01.920 --> 2:39:06.160 one teacher endlessly um. And it was even It's interesting 2:39:06.160 --> 2:39:07.640 because like all the parents were like, yeah, Mike, my 2:39:08.320 --> 2:39:11.240 I got worried because my student actually really like liked 2:39:11.280 --> 2:39:13.280 the teacher and said that they were doing like giving 2:39:13.320 --> 2:39:16.840 really interesting points about like systemic issues. And the parents 2:39:16.879 --> 2:39:18.320 were like and they like brought their kids to the 2:39:18.360 --> 2:39:20.280 school board meetings. There's the kids are standing in the 2:39:20.320 --> 2:39:22.400 back as their parents are ranting about this and talking 2:39:22.440 --> 2:39:24.880 about how the kids actually like I thought they were 2:39:24.959 --> 2:39:29.320 learning things about systemic issues and then that got people mad. 2:39:31.000 --> 2:39:36.080 So you know what else gets people mad? Uh? This 2:39:36.200 --> 2:39:44.199 is advertisements. Yeah, and we're bad. We're gonna we're gonna 2:39:44.280 --> 2:39:48.120 touch on the uh, the specifics, like all the stuff 2:39:48.120 --> 2:39:51.200 we've been talking about. Most of the modern most most 2:39:51.240 --> 2:39:54.040 of the current organizing is a lot of it's around 2:39:54.080 --> 2:39:56.640 like mask mandates and vaccine mandates. Um, Like all of 2:39:56.680 --> 2:39:59.320 this stuff called like you know, the the school board channel. 2:40:00.000 --> 2:40:02.360 All of this kind of stuff is usually around vaccine, 2:40:02.520 --> 2:40:06.119 vaccines and masks stuff. Uh. Of course there's critical Royce 2:40:06.120 --> 2:40:08.680 theory was the way more popular thing a few months ago. 2:40:08.840 --> 2:40:10.720 Right now is the vaccine thing. The other kind of 2:40:10.840 --> 2:40:16.039 like ever present thing is being upset that trans kids 2:40:16.080 --> 2:40:19.160 exist and being very fearful that that there are trans 2:40:19.320 --> 2:40:22.840 kids around your kids. Uh. This is a thing that's been, 2:40:22.920 --> 2:40:25.440 you know, a thing for years that people have been 2:40:25.720 --> 2:40:29.520 fighting against, and since the school board thing is becoming 2:40:29.560 --> 2:40:34.520 more popular, people are are starting to uh bring lastly, 2:40:34.600 --> 2:40:38.280 do these kind of flash mobs specifically around trans issues. Um. 2:40:38.720 --> 2:40:40.800 One of like the more like astro turf type things 2:40:41.320 --> 2:40:44.040 was people getting mad that there were like two specific 2:40:44.120 --> 2:40:47.920 books available in certain high school and some middle school libraries. 2:40:48.520 --> 2:40:52.080 UM that one of it was like a like one 2:40:52.120 --> 2:40:54.720 of it was the memoir that Robert mentioned. The other 2:40:54.800 --> 2:41:00.600 one was like a graphic novel memorial about someone realizing 2:41:00.600 --> 2:41:02.920 their gender queer. So these are books that are not 2:41:02.920 --> 2:41:05.280 in curriculums. These are just books that are available at 2:41:05.560 --> 2:41:09.560 the library. UM. And basically there was people who just 2:41:09.879 --> 2:41:12.240 who found these out and got turned it into like 2:41:12.440 --> 2:41:14.680 like a meme on telegram essentially, like people like sharing 2:41:14.680 --> 2:41:16.680 information about this, then you like look it up, see 2:41:16.680 --> 2:41:18.640 if it's in your library. So then we have all 2:41:18.720 --> 2:41:21.720 of these like coordinated attacks on school boards by these 2:41:21.760 --> 2:41:24.760 models of people all about these same two books. UM. 2:41:24.879 --> 2:41:26.640 And the goals to not only just get the books 2:41:26.720 --> 2:41:29.520 like banned, but they're also trying to like fire or 2:41:29.680 --> 2:41:33.280 arrest the teachers and school remembers for allowing these books 2:41:33.320 --> 2:41:35.440 to happen. There has been school members who have like 2:41:35.480 --> 2:41:38.000 stepped down because of just how much harassment is about 2:41:38.160 --> 2:41:41.920 these things. Quote from the Western Chapnist channel, Jesus Christ 2:41:42.000 --> 2:41:44.960 straight up pedophile books in our children's schools. Once again, 2:41:45.000 --> 2:41:46.680 the Jewish school boar member gets mad and trying to 2:41:46.680 --> 2:41:48.800 shut them down. How can you not connect the dots here. 2:41:48.879 --> 2:41:51.840 There's no political solution. Voting will not remove these people. Um. 2:41:52.920 --> 2:41:56.920 There was the mayor of Houston, uh So, in the 2:41:57.200 --> 2:42:00.920 mayor of Houston, Ohio heard about this, and he went 2:42:00.959 --> 2:42:03.160 to a school board meeting and instructed all of them, 2:42:03.200 --> 2:42:06.880 all of the board members to resign um quoting the 2:42:07.360 --> 2:42:10.320 quoting the Proud Boy right wing organizing channel Western Chavenista. 2:42:10.560 --> 2:42:12.920 This comes after some of the degenerate parasites in the 2:42:13.000 --> 2:42:15.760 system called educators, instructed kids to describe a sex scene 2:42:15.760 --> 2:42:18.280 that they wouldn't show their mom. Of course this didn't happen. 2:42:18.440 --> 2:42:21.400 This is this is they these these things are not 2:42:21.600 --> 2:42:23.920 are not These books are not used in any kind 2:42:23.920 --> 2:42:26.880 of curriculum anyway. So even even if they were that 2:42:27.160 --> 2:42:30.800 that we not even we're not even in that reality. Um. So, 2:42:31.160 --> 2:42:35.800 the mayor of this town basically got these instructed these 2:42:35.879 --> 2:42:39.320 instructed all of these people to resign. Um. Earlier, I 2:42:39.360 --> 2:42:43.920 think in mark No. In August of this year, pride 2:42:43.959 --> 2:42:48.480 flags were banned at a at a school school district 2:42:48.640 --> 2:42:53.039 inside south west Oregon. Um I think around I think 2:42:53.040 --> 2:42:56.680 around Newburgh. The Newberg school district banned but banded pride flags. 2:42:56.959 --> 2:42:59.440 So all this kind of stuff and and of course 2:42:59.520 --> 2:43:01.320 that is in a lot of states. But the yeah, 2:43:01.360 --> 2:43:03.680 the fact that it's in like Oregon, a blue state 2:43:03.800 --> 2:43:05.800 is people got made. Like you know, there's like you know, 2:43:06.000 --> 2:43:08.400 NBC articles about it because it's it's Oregon. It's not 2:43:08.480 --> 2:43:10.199 it's it's it's not it's it's not a red state. 2:43:10.400 --> 2:43:12.800 So it's all big, it's all Portland, it's all Antifa, 2:43:12.920 --> 2:43:15.520 right yeah, yeah, so again the stuff is not not 2:43:16.160 --> 2:43:19.360 not like contained to one thing. And like yeah, if 2:43:19.400 --> 2:43:22.000 you google the stuff around these books, if you google 2:43:22.040 --> 2:43:26.240 like gender Queer Book, uh school boards, you'll find this 2:43:26.480 --> 2:43:29.360 in so many school districts. You'll see just mobs of 2:43:29.440 --> 2:43:33.880 people lined up yelling and screaming um and like like 2:43:34.000 --> 2:43:38.560 printing out giant, like giant cardboard prints of of this 2:43:38.640 --> 2:43:42.560 comic book showing like like with like you know, there's 2:43:42.560 --> 2:43:44.480 like a dick on it, Like there's like a drawn 2:43:44.879 --> 2:43:48.040 a drawn dick, because that's what human bodies look like. 2:43:48.800 --> 2:43:51.039 Like you can look at like a lot of like yeah, 2:43:51.280 --> 2:43:53.160 like what are you gonna band the statue of David 2:43:53.480 --> 2:43:55.800 because he has his dick out too, like like come on. 2:43:56.200 --> 2:43:58.760 And also these are the same people who talk about 2:43:58.840 --> 2:44:02.480 like oh they're you know, banning books, burning books, you know, right, 2:44:02.520 --> 2:44:04.280 there was that. There was that tweet from like James 2:44:04.320 --> 2:44:06.840 Woods about like these are the books that people want banned. 2:44:07.080 --> 2:44:09.040 That means they're the most important ones. But these people love. 2:44:09.160 --> 2:44:12.080 These people love like burning books. These people love banning books. 2:44:12.360 --> 2:44:14.840 They love cancel culture. That the cultures that I was 2:44:15.000 --> 2:44:16.320 that I was in as a kid, they would have 2:44:16.640 --> 2:44:19.400 like massive like book and like c D and DVD 2:44:19.520 --> 2:44:22.880 burnings for like unlike unholy and sinful media that you 2:44:22.879 --> 2:44:25.480 would like bring in and like throw like your sinful 2:44:25.600 --> 2:44:28.760 music onto this giant fight. Like these people love love 2:44:28.840 --> 2:44:31.280 burning books, they love they love banning stuff, they love 2:44:31.360 --> 2:44:35.959 cancel culture. Um, but they just laugh about it. Yeah, 2:44:36.640 --> 2:44:39.080 So that was that was most of my stuff around 2:44:39.240 --> 2:44:42.000 the kind of the ongoing queer and trans stuff. Of course, 2:44:42.080 --> 2:44:43.959 they know this ties into like bathroom stuff as well, 2:44:44.400 --> 2:44:46.360 with the people showing up to school board meetings to 2:44:46.760 --> 2:44:50.200 scream about you know, kids going ship in the bathroom 2:44:50.240 --> 2:44:53.760 that they want to and feel comfortable in. Um, you know, 2:44:53.879 --> 2:44:55.760 and again like it doesn't it's not gonna stop with 2:44:55.800 --> 2:44:57.920 trans people either. Right as soon as they banned trans people, 2:44:57.959 --> 2:44:59.920 the next thing is going to be oh, gay students. Right, 2:45:00.120 --> 2:45:03.560 this is it never it's never stops, it always keeps going. Um, 2:45:03.600 --> 2:45:06.160 and it's just an ever present problem that it's gonna 2:45:06.800 --> 2:45:10.000 require a lot more a lot more dealing with. And 2:45:10.320 --> 2:45:13.440 again with all of these flash mobs, like no one, 2:45:13.680 --> 2:45:16.320 no one's gonna stop them because they're like the people 2:45:16.400 --> 2:45:18.400 in power, they're the people that have all of the privilege. 2:45:18.640 --> 2:45:21.520 There's no really effective counter organizing for these school board 2:45:21.520 --> 2:45:24.360 meetings right now. Um, the cops aren't gonna do ship. 2:45:24.440 --> 2:45:27.520 Security guards aren't gonna do ship. Uh And regular libs 2:45:27.800 --> 2:45:30.080 and regular regular people aren't gonna do sh it either. 2:45:30.160 --> 2:45:33.480 And it's hard to figure out how to actually combat 2:45:33.600 --> 2:45:35.240 this because there's a lot of times that the people 2:45:35.280 --> 2:45:37.440 in school boards really like, no, we don't want this 2:45:37.560 --> 2:45:39.959 to turn into a giant like fist fights, Like, don't 2:45:40.280 --> 2:45:42.640 don't come in mass to start fistfighting them. But there 2:45:42.720 --> 2:45:45.880 needs to be something to combat, whether that be you know, 2:45:46.040 --> 2:45:49.000 running running for school boards, just showing up outside school boards, 2:45:49.200 --> 2:45:53.200 having just more people there in, having more presence there, uh, 2:45:53.400 --> 2:45:56.240 so that it's not as overwhelmed by like a mob 2:45:56.320 --> 2:45:58.920 of two hundred anti mask people showing up. Right. There 2:45:58.959 --> 2:46:03.360 needs to be some type of thing happening because no 2:46:03.400 --> 2:46:05.960 one else needs to be countered, And yeah, you know what, 2:46:06.400 --> 2:46:08.160 they might need to get the ship kicked out of them. 2:46:08.320 --> 2:46:10.160 I'm sorry, but like I don't like, I don't think 2:46:10.240 --> 2:46:13.160 that would actually help in this instance. Probably, but like 2:46:13.800 --> 2:46:16.879 they needs to be fucking something like they they are. 2:46:17.200 --> 2:46:22.640 The level of boldness that they have is evidence that 2:46:22.720 --> 2:46:26.680 they feel they are confident that there is no counter 2:46:26.800 --> 2:46:30.039 to what there is going to be done. And perhaps 2:46:30.240 --> 2:46:33.560 if they were being met by a wall of people 2:46:33.640 --> 2:46:35.960 in the community who were willing, if they tried to 2:46:36.000 --> 2:46:38.560 force their way into fucking throw down, you know, to say, 2:46:38.600 --> 2:46:41.039 you're not entering this building without a goddamn mask, you're 2:46:41.040 --> 2:46:44.400 not shutting down this meeting. Um, I don't know, maybe 2:46:44.440 --> 2:46:46.280 that would do something. I don't actually know what would 2:46:46.320 --> 2:46:50.039 do something. If it was people just as regular people, 2:46:50.080 --> 2:46:51.959 I think that would be. Yeah, it's certainly not going 2:46:52.000 --> 2:46:54.560 to help of its antifa. Um, for the love of God, 2:46:54.879 --> 2:46:57.240 don't show up in fucking black block at a school 2:46:57.280 --> 2:47:00.400 board meeting. Um, Like what would work is a bunch 2:47:00.440 --> 2:47:03.400 of other middle aged parents showing up and being willing 2:47:03.480 --> 2:47:07.680 to confront these people, and like everything that is worth 2:47:07.760 --> 2:47:09.720 mentioning is that a lot of the people at these 2:47:09.760 --> 2:47:13.600 protests like are not parents at all, Like they're not 2:47:13.600 --> 2:47:15.240 they're not they're not eve from the same school district. 2:47:15.240 --> 2:47:17.879 They're just sort of like this this is just how 2:47:18.240 --> 2:47:20.920 this is just how the sort of right wing outrage 2:47:20.959 --> 2:47:24.640 machine has worked. This is where they're drawing people. Yeah, 2:47:24.760 --> 2:47:26.560 I mean and again, like it's it's a lot of 2:47:26.640 --> 2:47:29.640 the people and there there's gonna be big dudes who 2:47:29.680 --> 2:47:31.320 want to fight, but a lot of the people like 2:47:31.520 --> 2:47:34.720 screaming are are like you know, middle aged women. The 2:47:34.760 --> 2:47:36.480 people who are like really like leading the charge on 2:47:36.560 --> 2:47:40.040 this because they're able to use their privilege because like 2:47:40.080 --> 2:47:41.720 no one's gonna stop them, right, So that that's like 2:47:41.959 --> 2:47:44.840 when they're leading the charge of two people who are 2:47:44.959 --> 2:47:48.039 gonna like scream and harass and chase how black security 2:47:48.080 --> 2:47:51.200 guards chase out, chase out the all of this, all 2:47:51.240 --> 2:47:54.720 the school remembers no one's they're they're very effective at 2:47:54.800 --> 2:47:58.080 using their privilege to gain political ground by just like 2:47:58.240 --> 2:47:59.720 doing stuff on the ground. It's like, you know, this 2:47:59.840 --> 2:48:01.320 is like this is like the January six thing. It's 2:48:01.360 --> 2:48:03.160 like the January six thing. This is the new future 2:48:03.160 --> 2:48:05.840 of political action is just showing up in mass two 2:48:05.959 --> 2:48:09.160 places where no one's gonna stop you because you're like 2:48:09.320 --> 2:48:13.360 you're the you know, the good, relatable, you know every 2:48:13.440 --> 2:48:18.320 day Yeah, you're anyway, That's that's the stuff I had. 2:48:18.680 --> 2:48:21.440 Will probably have an ad break and then talk about 2:48:21.600 --> 2:48:26.160 maybe some of how this stuff started. Speaking of using 2:48:26.240 --> 2:48:31.600 your privilege, you know, what is the greatest privilege? Being 2:48:31.640 --> 2:48:34.800 able to purchase the products that Yeah, that's exactly right. 2:48:35.040 --> 2:48:38.440 There's no privilege higher than being able to engage with 2:48:39.080 --> 2:48:46.040 these consumables. Yeah, and we're back, all right, Chris, you 2:48:46.120 --> 2:48:48.120 want to close this out. Yeah, So the last thing 2:48:48.160 --> 2:48:51.000 I want to talk about that is interesting about this 2:48:51.080 --> 2:48:52.920 whole thing is, you know, we we've we've mostly been 2:48:52.959 --> 2:48:56.720 focusing on the very furthest right elements of this, but 2:48:57.320 --> 2:49:01.040 a lot of the school board stuff is tied to 2:49:02.200 --> 2:49:05.160 i mean just trade, a Republican party operatives and people 2:49:05.200 --> 2:49:07.640 who work in this sort of you know, I mean 2:49:07.800 --> 2:49:09.240 there's there's literally a bunch of people who work for 2:49:09.280 --> 2:49:10.960 Republican parties will get into it, and there's also this 2:49:11.000 --> 2:49:14.520 sort of network of of Republican think tanks, Republicans sort 2:49:14.560 --> 2:49:17.520 of dark money dumps. That's a lot of a lot 2:49:17.520 --> 2:49:20.000 of AstroTurf groups and that kind of stuff. Yeah, and 2:49:20.160 --> 2:49:22.000 and so I want to talk about a few of 2:49:22.040 --> 2:49:27.000 these people because I think they're interesting. Um, I think 2:49:27.040 --> 2:49:30.000 we can start with Nicole Nelly, who's an interesting person. 2:49:30.440 --> 2:49:34.600 She's so she she most recently founded Parents Defending Education. 2:49:34.760 --> 2:49:36.760 Who are They're They're one of the big groups to 2:49:36.920 --> 2:49:39.960 sort of like spreads this this sort of attack on 2:49:40.040 --> 2:49:42.280 school board stuff over the country. They have chapters, they 2:49:42.360 --> 2:49:44.560 organize people, and they also, you know, they do this 2:49:44.640 --> 2:49:47.880 thing where they collect co incident reports from from school 2:49:47.920 --> 2:49:49.960 districts that they you know, just distribute to all these 2:49:49.959 --> 2:49:51.560 people and they put it online. They have all of 2:49:51.680 --> 2:49:55.840 these they they they have a lot of stuff they do. 2:49:56.160 --> 2:49:58.160 They do a lot of anti mask mandate stuff. So 2:49:58.200 --> 2:50:00.960 they have these like template letters, like template like fakely 2:50:01.040 --> 2:50:03.280 performed letter things that you can send to schools that 2:50:03.320 --> 2:50:04.480 if you don't want to wear a masks that is 2:50:05.000 --> 2:50:07.360 that's a staple of this type of organizing. Now. Yeah, 2:50:07.480 --> 2:50:09.760 and and the interesting thing about Nickolenelly is that so 2:50:09.920 --> 2:50:13.000 this is not like her first organ like three years 2:50:13.560 --> 2:50:19.520 eighteen back in the Halcyon days of all right, you know, 2:50:20.120 --> 2:50:22.800 I'm not quite going to say it was before the 2:50:22.879 --> 2:50:24.680 mask fully came off, but it was well, the mask 2:50:24.800 --> 2:50:27.199 was like a little bit more on. She she previously 2:50:27.440 --> 2:50:30.760 founded a speech first Yeah you might remember, yeah as 2:50:30.800 --> 2:50:33.240 the Republic when free speech was the big talking point. 2:50:33.360 --> 2:50:35.640 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and so she ran that 2:50:35.720 --> 2:50:38.520 for a while. Now she's you know, organizing with the 2:50:38.520 --> 2:50:41.400 holy people who just wants to Yeah, they just move on, 2:50:41.600 --> 2:50:43.480 they move on to the new things. It was it 2:50:43.560 --> 2:50:46.280 was free speech, it was christ theory. Right now it's 2:50:46.560 --> 2:50:49.320 anti mask stuff. Next up is gonna be trans stuff 2:50:49.400 --> 2:50:54.040 going real hard. Just today we had the fucking person 2:50:54.120 --> 2:50:59.080 who BBC platforms the fucking lincum. Yeah, Lily the rapist 2:50:59.240 --> 2:51:04.000 Lily Kade manifesto where she details which specific trans women 2:51:04.080 --> 2:51:07.960 she wants to personally kill. Yeah, I used to know 2:51:08.120 --> 2:51:13.760 Lily um. Oh yeah yeah yeah, uh real dark turned Um. 2:51:13.920 --> 2:51:15.920 I don't know. I guess it's not super surprising. She 2:51:16.080 --> 2:51:19.520 was definitely interviewed her for a documentary and it was 2:51:20.160 --> 2:51:22.480 she was a bit off putting. Uh, I didn't realize 2:51:22.520 --> 2:51:24.360 this was going on. I mean, yeah, there's there's a 2:51:24.400 --> 2:51:26.640 lot of a lot a lot of reports of people 2:51:26.760 --> 2:51:29.680 in like the sex book industry of talking about her, 2:51:30.080 --> 2:51:33.520 like raping people in bathrooms, which again it's like, yeah, 2:51:33.600 --> 2:51:36.200 the people that's always screaming about oh no trans women 2:51:36.280 --> 2:51:38.240 or in bathrooms. Yeah, the people the person screaming about 2:51:38.280 --> 2:51:41.600 this is an actual rapist. Like like when when when 2:51:41.640 --> 2:51:44.480 we say rapists here like she she she raped so 2:51:44.600 --> 2:51:48.120 many people that, like on Twitter, like I was scrolling 2:51:48.160 --> 2:51:50.400 through my feet and I saw multiple people who were like, oh, 2:51:50.480 --> 2:51:53.480 I know this person she assaulted me. Yeah, it's really bad. 2:51:53.560 --> 2:51:55.640 The people who the turfs are like pushing. Yeah, this 2:51:55.720 --> 2:51:59.279 is the BBC was platform. So like, yeah, like trans 2:51:59.320 --> 2:52:01.480 stuff is as soon as as soon as the anti 2:52:01.560 --> 2:52:04.800 mask anti vax stuff like dies down in the next 2:52:05.280 --> 2:52:08.440 five months or whatever. Uh I I foresee a massive 2:52:08.480 --> 2:52:12.800 pivot towards specifically anti anti trans antiqueer antique stuff because 2:52:12.840 --> 2:52:15.800 that's going to be the new thing. Yep. And and 2:52:15.920 --> 2:52:17.640 and I think it's it's worth bearing in mind that 2:52:18.120 --> 2:52:20.720 this stuff. Yeah, and you know, with with the Coldnelly specifically, 2:52:21.000 --> 2:52:23.720 so she she worked she like worked at the Cato Institute, 2:52:24.120 --> 2:52:26.680 which is like Murray Rothbart and Charles Cokes. Now it's 2:52:26.720 --> 2:52:30.120 it's yeah, it's it's it's basically it's basically this is 2:52:30.160 --> 2:52:32.440 a slight oversupplication, but it's basically one of the cokes 2:52:32.480 --> 2:52:35.760 sort of like money laundering like money operation things. She 2:52:35.800 --> 2:52:39.760 also worked at Freedom Works, who oh yeah, yeah this 2:52:39.879 --> 2:52:41.640 is great. So um this is this is one of 2:52:41.680 --> 2:52:44.120 the fun parts of this which is that so freedom 2:52:44.160 --> 2:52:46.520 Works is another one of the Coke's sort of dark 2:52:46.600 --> 2:52:50.720 money laundering machine things. And Freedom Works are basically the 2:52:50.720 --> 2:52:52.800 people who created the Tea Party. Like there are the 2:52:52.800 --> 2:52:55.080 people who turned the Tea Party from like a bunch 2:52:55.160 --> 2:52:58.560 of weird guy just like like six weirdos into like, 2:52:59.560 --> 2:53:03.320 you know, the the basically the the the the entirety 2:53:03.360 --> 2:53:06.119 of the pre Trump conservative political machine who like built 2:53:06.120 --> 2:53:08.760 a Republican party after it was like completely discredited, um 2:53:08.920 --> 2:53:12.520 into two thousand's. And this is true of a lot 2:53:12.640 --> 2:53:14.640 of the people who are in charge of these big 2:53:14.840 --> 2:53:18.840 organs have connections like this. Um, the person you found 2:53:18.879 --> 2:53:23.360 in No Left Turn, which is No Left Turn know 2:53:23.520 --> 2:53:25.200 for an education, They're they're they're they're not one of 2:53:25.240 --> 2:53:26.960 these big sort of anti school board things. I mean 2:53:27.040 --> 2:53:28.760 they they are the people. They're one of people who 2:53:28.879 --> 2:53:30.560 like they have a list of books on their website 2:53:30.560 --> 2:53:34.400 that they want banned. Wow. Yeah it's great. And their 2:53:34.480 --> 2:53:38.879 founder rights for the Heritage foundations like magazine. So they're there, 2:53:39.000 --> 2:53:41.840 there's there's all of this stuff, and I think maybe 2:53:41.879 --> 2:53:43.920 the most implematic one is this guy is Mark Ruffo, 2:53:44.040 --> 2:53:48.400 who Yeah, so so he's he's the guy who just 2:53:48.560 --> 2:53:50.840 created the whole critical race theory thing out of nothing. 2:53:51.400 --> 2:53:55.280 He like threw together a bunch of like inc just 2:53:55.400 --> 2:53:59.120 like these incredibly tenuous connections. Like there's a bunch of 2:53:59.200 --> 2:54:04.520 sort of old uh cultural Marxism conspiracy stuff in there. Yeah, 2:54:04.560 --> 2:54:07.840 it's a lot of like Frankfurt's school type ship. Yeah yeah, 2:54:07.959 --> 2:54:10.120 and and but but what I think is interesting about him, 2:54:10.160 --> 2:54:14.360 it's less his ideas, which are just pseudo intellectual. Yeah, 2:54:14.440 --> 2:54:16.880 he doesn't he's not actually super smart in what he 2:54:16.959 --> 2:54:18.840 says that there's a lot of videos of him talking 2:54:18.879 --> 2:54:22.520 to actual philosopher is getting schooled about what rice theory is. Like, 2:54:22.600 --> 2:54:25.119 he's actually not that intelligent in this in this side 2:54:25.120 --> 2:54:27.080 of things. But but you know that the thing is 2:54:27.160 --> 2:54:29.640 that there's nothing more dangerous than an idiot with a 2:54:29.680 --> 2:54:32.120 trick up his sleeve, exactly. And you know, and then 2:54:32.680 --> 2:54:35.320 the trick basically is Fox News. And you know, the 2:54:35.360 --> 2:54:37.320 reason the reason this whole thing exists is that this 2:54:37.560 --> 2:54:41.680 was you know, Mark Ruffo. He's very very explicit about 2:54:41.680 --> 2:54:43.440 this that this this, this was his solution to the 2:54:43.879 --> 2:54:46.720 George Floyd up rising. Yea, was that, oh, we we 2:54:46.760 --> 2:54:48.160 need we need to we need to find this thing 2:54:48.280 --> 2:54:50.360 to stop the medicum of this uprising. And this is 2:54:50.440 --> 2:54:52.200 this is who Tucker Carlson brings on and starts bring 2:54:52.280 --> 2:54:54.920 onwenty and this blows up. He immediately gets hired by 2:54:55.640 --> 2:54:58.080 the Manhattan Institute, which is a very not that old 2:54:58.120 --> 2:55:00.400 but there from the eighties, but a very an old, 2:55:00.520 --> 2:55:03.800 extremely powerful conservative think tank that I don't think. I 2:55:03.840 --> 2:55:06.640 think it's less known than things like the Heritage Foundation 2:55:07.080 --> 2:55:08.920 or the kid who wants to Yeah, I would say 2:55:08.959 --> 2:55:11.960 so yeah. But he gets they hired him like immediately 2:55:12.000 --> 2:55:14.760 because you know, the sort of mainline at the Republican 2:55:14.800 --> 2:55:17.440 Party very quickly is like, this is the thing that 2:55:17.560 --> 2:55:19.840 we can use as like a hammer, right, and so 2:55:19.920 --> 2:55:23.320 the Manhattan Institute publishes this roop o work for them. Now. 2:55:23.360 --> 2:55:27.080 I can't I'm not actually sure if you. I don't 2:55:27.120 --> 2:55:29.080 know if he specifically wrote this or he was just 2:55:29.240 --> 2:55:32.200 involved in it. I think it's it's the bye line 2:55:32.280 --> 2:55:34.600 is just the Manhattan Institute. But they have this incredibly 2:55:34.680 --> 2:55:39.000 detailed tool kit explaining how you know, both both explaining 2:55:39.120 --> 2:55:42.840 what the sort of right wing like line on critical 2:55:42.920 --> 2:55:44.800 race theory is. And they have like a bunch of explainers, 2:55:44.840 --> 2:55:48.240 have like list of terms have you ever seen Yeah, yeah, 2:55:48.600 --> 2:55:50.280 it's actually yeah, if you've ever seen like list of 2:55:50.360 --> 2:55:52.280 terms of people want banned, Like it's all just pulled 2:55:52.320 --> 2:55:55.600 from this document, right, so I add stuff. Um, But 2:55:55.720 --> 2:55:57.200 but the interesting part of about this is the other 2:55:57.280 --> 2:55:59.280 thing is this this is an organizing manual, right, It's 2:55:59.360 --> 2:56:01.160 it's it's a thing that tells you how to go 2:56:01.360 --> 2:56:03.680 and how to find other people, like other other people. 2:56:04.040 --> 2:56:05.800 You know, if if you're like an incensed right wing 2:56:06.040 --> 2:56:08.320 like freaking one of these school districts, It's like, okay, 2:56:08.360 --> 2:56:11.080 well here's here's how you like talk to other people 2:56:11.120 --> 2:56:13.680 in your districts. Here's here's a list of options of 2:56:13.840 --> 2:56:16.960 like things you can do going public. And then there's 2:56:17.000 --> 2:56:19.120 a very interesting thing part of this that that I 2:56:19.200 --> 2:56:23.600 think is really disturbing and outlines like really what's going 2:56:23.640 --> 2:56:26.440 on here, which is there's this whole like freak out 2:56:26.520 --> 2:56:29.280 thing about this thing called minority rule, where like, oh, 2:56:29.400 --> 2:56:31.680 the left has this like they have this like militant 2:56:31.760 --> 2:56:34.520 minority that that will compel the majority to follow them 2:56:34.680 --> 2:56:37.920 by because they keep on showing up and they keep 2:56:37.920 --> 2:56:41.920 on doing things. And if if this minority like it keeps, 2:56:42.040 --> 2:56:45.480 keep keeps, you know, being more in transient than everyone else, 2:56:45.600 --> 2:56:49.360 then they will inevitably win. And this the three quarters 2:56:49.400 --> 2:56:51.400 of this section is this like weird fear mongering thing 2:56:51.440 --> 2:56:53.920 about it. But then the last part of it is 2:56:53.959 --> 2:56:55.360 a bunch is the thing us saying, oh, we need 2:56:55.400 --> 2:56:57.200 to do this ourselves, right, this is how we win. 2:56:57.320 --> 2:56:59.080 We win by being more in transient. We win by 2:56:59.120 --> 2:57:01.240 showing up more often of course. Yeah, and you know, 2:57:01.320 --> 2:57:02.600 and this is this is the other thing is this 2:57:02.720 --> 2:57:06.360 is from like last year. I think this is like 2:57:06.640 --> 2:57:09.720 the kid this summer. Yeah, okay, that's sorry. This is 2:57:09.800 --> 2:57:11.120 this is one. Yeah, this is really the ship. But 2:57:11.120 --> 2:57:14.360 it's interesting because it's like this is the sort of 2:57:14.920 --> 2:57:18.520 you know this, this is this is the Republican Party essentially, 2:57:18.560 --> 2:57:21.320 I mean institute, very very mainstre Republican Party. This, yeah, 2:57:21.320 --> 2:57:23.680 this is this is how they do aspective in person organizing. 2:57:23.720 --> 2:57:26.200 We we talked about this a bit in our episodes 2:57:26.600 --> 2:57:29.680 um about the like in the aftermath of the abortion ruling, 2:57:29.760 --> 2:57:32.240 in Texas and how and how like the religious righting 2:57:32.360 --> 2:57:35.320 organizing has worked in local districts. Yeah, this, this is 2:57:35.360 --> 2:57:36.760 how they are able to get things done, which is 2:57:36.800 --> 2:57:38.720 why there's been so many school by members who either 2:57:38.760 --> 2:57:41.000 got fired, who have had to step down, who have 2:57:41.240 --> 2:57:44.119 been harassed off the job, and are now there's people, 2:57:44.200 --> 2:57:46.240 you know a lot of a lot of like people 2:57:46.280 --> 2:57:49.640 I would describe as people holding very extreme views are 2:57:49.720 --> 2:57:53.080 now running and taking these spots um because if you 2:57:53.200 --> 2:57:54.880 can do if you can do this type of like 2:57:54.959 --> 2:57:57.560 again it's not grassroots, but it's it's it is it 2:57:57.720 --> 2:58:00.160 is like astroturp, so like it appears grassroots. But if 2:58:00.160 --> 2:58:02.680 can do this type of like fox grassroots organizing, you 2:58:02.760 --> 2:58:04.880 can gain a lot of power over specific areas and 2:58:05.000 --> 2:58:07.640 make a lot of people's lives a lot more miserable. 2:58:07.800 --> 2:58:09.560 And that's that's that's what the goal is, right, the 2:58:09.600 --> 2:58:12.320 goal is to make trans kids lives miserable. The goals 2:58:12.360 --> 2:58:14.640 they get people to not wear masks and dive of 2:58:14.720 --> 2:58:18.760 COVID like that those are the results of these actions. Well, 2:58:18.800 --> 2:58:22.360 I think I think there's an interesting interplay here though, 2:58:22.480 --> 2:58:25.280 because I think because so freedom works, like like even 2:58:25.360 --> 2:58:27.480 even a lot of the specific protests that are happening. 2:58:27.920 --> 2:58:30.160 And this is especially true of of the very earlier, 2:58:30.400 --> 2:58:32.840 earliest ones. I think like when when like the very 2:58:32.959 --> 2:58:35.360 first school board protests that were happening. Yeah, like like 2:58:35.440 --> 2:58:38.320 a lot of these summer to follow was when they 2:58:38.320 --> 2:58:40.760 started to start up. Yeah, and and those a lot 2:58:40.879 --> 2:58:43.560 of those were directly organized by by people who work 2:58:43.600 --> 2:58:46.880 for Freedom Works. And and this is this is what 2:58:47.000 --> 2:58:48.880 a lot of the c RT ones yeah, yeah, yeah, 2:58:48.879 --> 2:58:51.640 they see the CRT one very specifically freedom works. And 2:58:51.800 --> 2:58:53.160 this is what I think is interesting about this is 2:58:53.240 --> 2:58:55.520 that you know, okay, freedom works. It's like, okay, so 2:58:55.600 --> 2:58:57.320 what does freedom works out of this? Freedom Works wants 2:58:57.320 --> 2:59:00.160 the T party again, right, because you know this, this 2:59:00.240 --> 2:59:02.160 is what freedom Works does. Right there. They're they're they're 2:59:02.200 --> 2:59:04.280 basically the group that comes in when when the Republicans 2:59:04.320 --> 2:59:06.160 start losing election cycles. They're like, Okay, well now we 2:59:06.240 --> 2:59:08.000 need to get the balance of power back, we need 2:59:08.040 --> 2:59:09.879 to bring drawn the Democrats out. So they're they're they're 2:59:10.360 --> 2:59:13.280 largely trying to build a sort of electoral base. And 2:59:13.440 --> 2:59:15.040 and again like this, this this will look familiar to 2:59:15.080 --> 2:59:17.240 people who remember two thousand and ten because it's the 2:59:17.280 --> 2:59:21.280 same thing, except And this is the thing that I 2:59:21.480 --> 2:59:23.039 I I this is the part where I genuinely they 2:59:23.080 --> 2:59:27.279 can't tell whether the Freedom Works people, whether the Cokes, 2:59:27.360 --> 2:59:30.160 whether that, whether this sort of dark wning network either 2:59:30.280 --> 2:59:32.200 I don't. I can't tell whether they understand what they're 2:59:32.200 --> 2:59:36.960 doing and like it or they're just incredibly naive. But 2:59:37.160 --> 2:59:39.640 you know this is not two thousand ten, right, You 2:59:39.800 --> 2:59:44.080 can't when when when you start mobilizing people like mobilizing 2:59:44.160 --> 2:59:45.920 people on the right wing to go to a place, 2:59:46.400 --> 2:59:48.720 they don't just like sit there and hold signs anymore. 2:59:48.920 --> 2:59:52.280 They cannot you cannot contain them at this point. You 2:59:52.360 --> 2:59:55.480 cannot control the spread like you have once you've you've 2:59:55.560 --> 2:59:57.880 opened this can, and there's no way of putting them 2:59:57.879 --> 3:00:00.040 back in because as soon as they start organized is 3:00:00.080 --> 3:00:03.400 it on appside telegram, they're one step away from skull masks. 3:00:03.959 --> 3:00:07.160 And then they're being okay with cheering around people that 3:00:07.200 --> 3:00:08.960 are going to go beat up that are going to 3:00:09.000 --> 3:00:10.960 go beat up people in these meetings. Yeah, And this 3:00:11.120 --> 3:00:13.480 is this is this is really the thing that I 3:00:13.560 --> 3:00:15.160 think it's not just January six that we live in 3:00:15.160 --> 3:00:17.760 the shadow January six, but it's also about you know, 3:00:17.800 --> 3:00:19.920 if you look at how how the anti lockdown protest 3:00:20.040 --> 3:00:22.560 went in. Right, you have a bunch of people showing 3:00:22.640 --> 3:00:26.440 up with guns the capitals and that stuff was extremely effective. 3:00:26.520 --> 3:00:29.120 And that in the conformation between that in January six 3:00:29.879 --> 3:00:32.960 has you know, it's open the floodgates and now that 3:00:33.120 --> 3:00:35.320 was that was to January six being possible. Is the 3:00:35.440 --> 3:00:38.760 more and more protests around capitals of people showing up 3:00:38.760 --> 3:00:41.560 in mass to overwhelm anyone. And because they're all white, 3:00:41.640 --> 3:00:43.840 because they're all like middle class conservatives, no one's gonna 3:00:43.840 --> 3:00:46.240 stop them. Yeah, and and you know, and this is 3:00:46.320 --> 3:00:51.959 the thing, right, you know, the Cokes. I I genuinely 3:00:52.040 --> 3:00:54.760 don't know what the Cokes want out of this. My 3:00:54.879 --> 3:00:56.600 guess is that the thing that they want is a 3:00:56.640 --> 3:00:58.720 new based Republican voters. But that's not what they're creating. 3:00:58.760 --> 3:01:00.680 The thing that they're creating is a new core fascist 3:01:00.680 --> 3:01:04.440 street fighters. And you know it, at some point, it 3:01:04.560 --> 3:01:07.400 doesn't it literally doesn't matter whether or not this is 3:01:07.440 --> 3:01:09.280 what the coachs are trying to do or like not 3:01:09.480 --> 3:01:12.760 trying to do, because they're in the end it's it's 3:01:12.840 --> 3:01:15.680 just pushing people towards thinking there's no political solution. It's 3:01:15.720 --> 3:01:19.800 still only only violence. And overwhelming people in mass is 3:01:19.840 --> 3:01:21.800 the only way to get the change that they want. 3:01:22.320 --> 3:01:26.960 The change they want is to have trans kids not exists. 3:01:27.200 --> 3:01:31.640 And yeah, just more, more and more like fascistic policies. Um, 3:01:31.760 --> 3:01:34.360 whether that be you know, banning books that mentioned gay 3:01:34.440 --> 3:01:36.520 people existing or what it's like to be a gay person, 3:01:36.920 --> 3:01:40.120 whether that be teaching people that racism is still an 3:01:40.120 --> 3:01:43.400 actual thing that exists, or that be putting a mask 3:01:43.520 --> 3:01:47.440 on so you don't kill your grandma or whatever. Yep. Well, 3:01:47.600 --> 3:01:49.840 and you know, and I think I think one last thing, right, 3:01:50.000 --> 3:01:52.280 you know, we saw what happened last time they were 3:01:52.320 --> 3:01:57.240 in power, right, and it was you know, and like 3:01:57.480 --> 3:01:59.320 you can you can talk about how a lot of 3:01:59.360 --> 3:02:01.400 the worst stuff were still happening. Was like, yeah, they 3:02:01.440 --> 3:02:04.800 put a bunch of people in concentration camps. Right, and 3:02:05.600 --> 3:02:08.160 if they if they take back power again, and there's 3:02:08.200 --> 3:02:10.280 a good chance that they're going to because you know, 3:02:10.520 --> 3:02:15.400 the Democrats are being they they you know, the Democrats 3:02:15.480 --> 3:02:16.879 never want to be in power. The thing they want 3:02:16.879 --> 3:02:20.000 to be minority opposition so they can do fundraising, right, 3:02:21.560 --> 3:02:23.800 and if you know, when when when these people, if 3:02:23.840 --> 3:02:26.320 these people take power again, it's going to be even 3:02:26.400 --> 3:02:28.720 worse than it was last time. Yeah, the thing looking 3:02:28.760 --> 3:02:30.880 at looking at the Virginia election the night of recording 3:02:30.959 --> 3:02:34.000 is a great example of that. Yeah uh In terms 3:02:34.040 --> 3:02:35.840 of yeah, it turns out when Democrats just do nothing 3:02:36.080 --> 3:02:38.360 and just sit around in office, you don't convince young 3:02:38.400 --> 3:02:40.080 people to want to vote for them because they're not 3:02:40.120 --> 3:02:42.240 actually doing anything. So then they just sit out. Then 3:02:42.280 --> 3:02:45.200 the Republicans actually do vote in people, then we get 3:02:45.480 --> 3:02:49.600 uh we anti CRT person elected to be the governor 3:02:49.600 --> 3:02:56.360 of Virginia. And that's the episode. Good times. Well, I 3:02:56.440 --> 3:03:00.440 hope everybody's optimistic feeling nice. Well, um, we'll be back 3:03:00.480 --> 3:03:03.480 with something else. Research your school boards, who's in it, 3:03:03.800 --> 3:03:06.680 and just protests around it and maybe show up with 3:03:06.800 --> 3:03:10.800 some of your I don't know buddies with your lattes 3:03:10.840 --> 3:03:12.760 and stand in front of the building and be like, no, 3:03:12.920 --> 3:03:14.760 we don't want you, we don't want you to shut 3:03:14.800 --> 3:03:17.120 stuff down because no one else is going to stop them. 3:03:17.240 --> 3:03:20.480 It has to be just like regular people. You can't cops, 3:03:20.560 --> 3:03:22.960 it's not going to be any elected democrat and honestly, 3:03:23.040 --> 3:03:25.320 like you can't rely on teens and black block to 3:03:25.400 --> 3:03:27.640 do this. That is this isn't this isn't what they 3:03:27.800 --> 3:03:30.200 need to be doing. It should be like yeah, it'd 3:03:30.240 --> 3:03:32.880 be like millennials and Gen X need to be like, Hey, no, 3:03:33.160 --> 3:03:37.119 we're not gonna We're not gonna have you doing this. Well, 3:03:37.240 --> 3:03:52.800 that's the that's the episode. Hey, we'll be back Monday, 3:03:52.920 --> 3:03:55.840 with more episodes every week from now until the heat 3:03:55.879 --> 3:03:58.440 death of the Universe. It Could Happen Here is a 3:03:58.480 --> 3:04:01.320 production of cool Zone Media. 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