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Speaker 1: you know. This is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 1: have said that already. I don't know, like I said,

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Speaker 1: too many motherfucking podcasts, but this is the last school

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Speaker 1: office right now. Maskless is a protest against the mask

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Speaker 1: man Garrison David's it's fine, it's fine, Garrison. I understand

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Speaker 1: That's right, That's that's fine. You use chaos magic to

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Speaker 1: We were looking for for spooky content for Spooky Week

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Speaker 1: It took me like five minutes. It used to be

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Speaker 1: Angry about it, but man, it just is like it's

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Speaker 1: this amazing book. Okay, so this is wow. The cover

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Speaker 1: The title is Helloween Satan's New Year by Dr Billy Dimily.

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Speaker 1: It's not a real name. Is not a real name,

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Speaker 1: But the last nay, it was just as bad. Dimily.

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Speaker 1: and and Bible paraphrase Bible scriptures on the doctrines of

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Speaker 1: they're doing like a sabot. They're going to They're going

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Speaker 1: to basically do like blood libel with children and with

424
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Speaker 1: the devil, which is which is which is what a

425
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: lot of witches are about, like finding children and stuff,

426
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: because it actually is tied to all the stuff. Now,

427
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm not saying we have to cancel witchcraft, which if

428
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: is totally fine, you can do all this stuff. It

429
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: is really cool. But the a lot of the origins

430
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 1: of which hunting is tied to these antis anti Semitic tropes. UM.

431
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: So anyway, she she goes to describe different like pagan

432
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: like festivals throughout the years, um with like like le

433
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff, Midsummer blah blah blah

434
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: blah blah. And the last one the eighth one. It's

435
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: October three one or Halloween, because she calls the the

436
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: unholy Satanic New Year. UM. She says that the rights

437
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: and ceremonies and which Halloween was originally observed had their

438
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: origin among the Druids. In the course of time, there

439
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: were added to them some of the rights, particular to

440
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: the Roman festival of Panama, which is which presided over

441
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: the harvests. November first among the Druids was the beginning

442
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 1: of the year and the festival of the Sun God.

443
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: They lighted fires in honor of their false god. They

444
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: believe that October thirty one, to the end of the

445
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: old year, the Lord of Death, which she puts in

446
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: apprentices the devil. Oh good, I'm really, I'm really again

447
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: very appreciative of how of how clear her writing is.

448
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: So the Lord of Death gather gathered together all the

449
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: souls of the dead who had been allowed to enter

450
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: the body of another human being. The belief is that

451
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: the root this belief is the root of the false

452
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: belief and reincarnation. Now I did not fact fact check

453
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 1: any of this, so I have no idea how how

454
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 1: accurate these these claims are for what she views as

455
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: the origin of Halloween. But I think they're pretty funny. Um,

456
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: I know, like there is Halloween like Halloween kind of

457
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: traditions are are there is like stuff around this time

458
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: throughout a lot of like old pagan stuff. Like the

459
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: modern notion of Halloween is pretty pretty modern, like the

460
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: whole like tricker treating thing and all. Like the way

461
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 1: we modernly think of Halloween is pretty it's pretty new,

462
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: because I mean there was of course, like All Hallow's

463
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: Day or like All Saints Day and the Eva which

464
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: other people would do Shenanigans, which is what we currently

465
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Speaker 1: have as Halloween. That's the day before All Saints Day.

466
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: All Saints Day is November one. Um, Like, you know,

467
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 1: the modern notion of Halloween is not it's not super old.

468
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not quite sure how tied these old harvest

469
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: festivals really are to our modern Halloween. That's something I

470
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: could look into later, But I just picked up this

471
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: book and I'm reading right from it because that's easier.

472
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, so she views Halloween now as like a

473
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: as a pagan the pagan holiday. Um, this pagan festival,

474
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: Halloween is it broadly celebrated throughout the Christian nations as

475
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 1: a major holiday. In America, Halloween has become a kind

476
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: of saturnalia for children, a night in which the rules

477
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 1: are suspended and children venture out to demand streets and

478
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: certain reprisals against the dingy. Yeah, okay, I mean that

479
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: is a cooler way of looking at Halloween. If it

480
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: were literally the saturnality a children would actually take the

481
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: role of the parents and make decisions for the family

482
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 1: and demand Yeah, I mean parents would have to go

483
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: to school, kids would have to go to work. That

484
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: would actually be an incredible that would be that would

485
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: so many people would die in plane crash, but it

486
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: would be especially if you enforced it, Like you don't

487
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: have a choice. You're you are piloting the plane today,

488
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: a bunch of other kids are getting on it to

489
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: go on work. The kids on air traffic ConTroll they

490
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing either. Forcing all of the

491
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 1: soldiers out of the various countries we put them in and

492
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: and having like the children of Special Forces guys conduct

493
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: raids in the Midia, It is pretty easy for a

494
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: kids to use an AK so it is a rs

495
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: even easier. Yeah, it would be funny. Yeah, a lot

496
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: of people are not going to have very successful heart

497
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: surgeries that, but it will be very funny in like

498
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: a cosmic sense. Increasingly and alarmingly, this celebration is assuming

499
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: dreadful expressions of evil and harmful acts are perpetuated against

500
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: the children themselves. In serious proportions. The treats are increasingly

501
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: found to contain drugs, poisons, razor blades, needles, ground grass,

502
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: and many other harms. Oh I I didn't. I didn't

503
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: even think of that, because that's like needles and grass. Yeah,

504
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: oh no, grass, So yeah, she she, she does seem really,

505
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: really really thrilled with this idea that the people are

506
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: giving out free drugs, which, man, what a dream I wish. Um. Halloween,

507
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: like Christmas, is also highly commercialized and it's part of

508
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: a major money making event for the merchants. Okay, breaking

509
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: in at the present time second only to Christmas in

510
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: that vein. Halloween is the Satanic New Year, and as

511
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: a celebration of the devil and is he's using the

512
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: world today to gain greater acceptance of the perversity as

513
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: he continues to prol mate his doctrine of demons. So

514
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 1: that that is fun um. Then she has a very

515
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: small section on old world Halloween traditions, which I'm not

516
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: going to read tons of because again, I don't know

517
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: how verified these things are. But I am going to

518
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 1: read like and she she goes on to talk about

519
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 1: like how like the laws against witchcraft and like the

520
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: six hundreds and stuff. Um she was, she was, but

521
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: I do I will read just the first sentence of

522
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: the Old World Halloween Traditions section Irish Traditions Devilition. Yeah,

523
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: here that Irish We're coming for you. Bring it on,

524
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: devil origin, various methods of finding the future and Halloween

525
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: we're accepted as tradition. So that that's really all I'm

526
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: gonna say, because I just love the line Irish traditions

527
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: devilition in Richards. Yeah, I mean that's I think every

528
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: Irish person I know would agree with that. That's really

529
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: all you gotta say. Yeah, oh man, it is it is. Wow,

530
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: what a what a book. It just keeps going on.

531
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: So she talks about like the basically like the people's

532
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: different Honestly, this there's not even tons about Halloween and

533
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: more about different people's belief in witchcraft. So like she

534
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: goes through like all the laws against witchcraft in Britain,

535
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: she goes against, like she goes she she talks around

536
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: the witch trials in America, um, saying that there were

537
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: witches but she doesn't talk about all the like, come on,

538
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: you coward. Yeah. Uh, it's it's pretty she she has.

539
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of I okay, I'm actually gonna

540
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: read some of the stuff on on on America. Belief

541
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: in witchcraft was common to the early settlers in America,

542
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: but which is, were charged with making wex and images

543
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 1: of their victims and causing their illnesses by sticking pins

544
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: in the image or making by sticking pins in the image,

545
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: or making them waste away by melting the images before

546
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: the fire. This belief is held by the peoples of Africa,

547
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: as well as other pagan people in a and widely

548
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: varieting in widely varying civilizations and localities. The early settlers

549
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: do not initiate this belief in America, but found it

550
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: already to be belief in the American Indians who populated

551
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: this country. So that that's her little section on that,

552
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: which is I don't know, hashtag problematic, Yeah, I would,

553
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I would call that slightly problemat I would call it

554
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: slightly problems. You know what's not problematic? Garrison the products

555
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: and services that are gonna hopefully sell candy kids. We

556
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: we guarantee that less than a third of them are

557
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: responsible for the disappearance of a million children, million children.

558
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: That's the behind the bastards guaranteed less than a third

559
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: of our sponsors who are undocumented too, well, yeah, but

560
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: which is making them so much more. It's likely much more.

561
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: But anyway, here's the ads, here's the ads. Ah, we're back,

562
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: we are all right. Bring it home, Garrison, bring it home.

563
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, she she does mention that the devil likes

564
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: to withhold the fact of existence of witchcraft, like the

565
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: devil likes to height. So most people kind of live

566
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: in the dark. Um, she says. Although the imps which

567
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: frolic on Halloween and now are small children raping on

568
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: doors and gleefully seeving treats, wrapping on doors, wrapping on doors,

569
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: not raping on doors. That's a very different, very different holiday. Well,

570
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: who knows, that might be Canadian things. That's Canadian Halloween.

571
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: The night which was formally accepted as the time when

572
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: witches met and demons in the form of ghosts and

573
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: ghoules who are likely to wander about, has come to

574
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: be regarded that's a time of merrymaking and frolic. The

575
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: majority of people are so engaged and are unaware if

576
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: they satanic consultation of the magic oracles and the Covin's

577
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: and groves on this night. I say, cons that's not

578
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: how you say it, Well, that's how I say it.

579
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: You just you just got COVID on the brain. COVID

580
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: is what you call a coven that meets during COVID

581
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: because they're not properly socially distancing. All right, right, there

582
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: we go. But basically she thinks that basically these all

583
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: of the witches and magic doors are meeting, all these

584
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: ghouls and Halloween and people are unaware of this, very

585
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: extremely concerned that children might like walk in on a

586
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: ceremony and it didn't get murdered. Very funny when you

587
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: realize like how isolated these people are from the real

588
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: world because they've never just like stepped outside during Halloween,

589
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: not really like especially I mean Halloween and two that's

590
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: in six I was eighteen then, So maybe I'm wrong,

591
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: but I think there was. It wasn't huge then, like

592
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: it's gotten kind of smaller every year. The biggest fear

593
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: back then was like traffic accidents. Yeah, that's always the biggest.

594
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: That's like the number one thing. Every year. Thinking back

595
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: on it, my parents shouldn't have let me be a

596
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: ninja as often as they, But I made it through. Yeah,

597
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: it's like we're saying so many the same words. Again,

598
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: that's the most of the book is. But Halloween Satan's

599
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: New Year. Halloween has a long and dark history of

600
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: devilish traditions, which has survived both Christianity and the science

601
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: for two thousand years. Is to be considered the chief

602
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: festival for the worship of the devil which begins his

603
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: new year. Halloweena witchcraft for the means by which the

604
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: devil seems to reintroduce the worship of old false gods

605
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: by a synthesis of polytheism and feminism. Yeah, that's what halloweenas.

606
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: Polyphism and feminism, two sides of the same devil coin.

607
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: I love to worship multiple gods and respect women. Just really,

608
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: that is my That's my way to spend a night

609
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: with my ghoul friends. Incredible, there's also a real here's

610
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: a real here's a real. Good quote. Um, there is

611
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: no question of the existence of modern witchcraft. It has

612
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: been admitted. It has been admitted of by thousands upon

613
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: thousands worldwide, and growing rapidly in the Western countries, particularly America.

614
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: The word of God makes it undeniably clear that witchcraft

615
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: is real. It has existed at least six thousand years,

616
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: and it still exists today. Oh good, yeah, that's good.

617
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: Six thousand years going good. Good for happy six thousands.

618
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: Just like that, she add so that it's a little

619
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: been around for all these six happy six thousands, six

620
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: six thousand years witchcraft on. I'm guessing because it's the

621
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: new year, this is also the birthday of witchcraft. I

622
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: mean also just the birthday of the world. Because if

623
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: the world as we know was, if the world as

624
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: we know it was when Eve ate the fruit and

625
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: was Adam and Eve went into the greater world, if

626
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: that's like the birth of Dawn, which has been here

627
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: since the very beginning, well since the beginning of like

628
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: the fallen world, because you have to assume that they

629
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,720
Speaker 1: had a hundred years or so beforehand. It's real unclear

630
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: this it depends on what It depends on what denomination

631
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: you're in and what kind of theological viewpoint you have

632
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: on whether there were people outside the garden there as

633
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: people who believe that some people just don't um that

634
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: is up for debate among different congregations. Yeah, so and

635
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: and and the other thing that she's really concerned with

636
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: is that witchcraft is making more people have sex, because

637
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: she she thinks that most of witchcraft is practicing sexual

638
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: orgies on quote every continent of the world. Um. And

639
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: that's what that's what, that's that's what black masses to her,

640
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: So she is she's very concerned. I mean, there's are

641
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: and sometimes in black masses sexual elements to them, I hope.

642
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: So that is that it does sound much better, but

643
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: she she thinks that that's another one of the main

644
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: catalysts of her being fearful of of paganism and witchcraft

645
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: is that is making more people have sex. Um. And

646
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: again she reiterates that this is just a new form

647
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: of paganism, saying that Satan's current day revival of paganism

648
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: it's a sure sign of Christ's second coming and it's

649
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Oh. This this is the section where

650
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: she where she complains that magic doesn't use the Bible,

651
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: even though previously she said that white magic does. Because

652
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: some magic some which is drawn other false religions such

653
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: as the Kabbala, uh Sufism, or various Eastern religions, but

654
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: never the Holy Bible, the Word of God, or is

655
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: employed in their beliefs or practices, except in a paradoxical

656
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: counterfeit imaginative magic, rites and rituals performed in the in

657
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: the Covin's in the initiation of the converts and their

658
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: celebrations of Halloween and other Satanic sabots. So that's that's

659
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: that's that's what she thinks I mean. But honestly, I'm

660
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: pretty sure it's like the Shabbas, it's the Sabbath, it's

661
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I've I've heard Covin and Saba in the stuff, right,

662
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: So alright, alright, let's have let's have a debate everyone,

663
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: everyone at no, don't don't do that. Um. She also

664
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: claims that this is this is this is very exciting.

665
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: Several universities in America offer a bachelor's degree in magic.

666
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: I was unaware. Oh I would love a bat unaware

667
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: of because this will read now, well, this will make

668
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: me consider going to college. Now a bachelor's degree? Is

669
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: that a a b A or is that a BS? Like?

670
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: Is that like? Is it a Bachelor of Arts or

671
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: of science? And really that's a that's a key question.

672
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: About how the school match magic is both in our science.

673
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, well that's why I'm wondering. And she doesn't say,

674
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: she doesn't say what university she claims does this. I mean,

675
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to open a witchcraft store, so I

676
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: made to get a b a in or a bs

677
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: in witchcraft along with my m f A. What's the

678
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: business thing? What they don't I don't want to fill

679
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: it in with the acronym from the is a misdegree.

680
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: Whatever you get, I don't know we I've dropped out

681
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: of college. Garrison hasn't gone. Yeah, I went to I

682
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: went to film school. That doesn't count though it doesn't

683
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: it absolutely does not. Um. Yeah. And then in this

684
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,280
Speaker 1: last section she really ties modern witchcraft to the rise

685
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: of feminism UM, specifically starting in the sixties. She says

686
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: the pre eminence of the goddess and witchcraft hasn't made

687
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: an attractive to some feminists. In nineteen sixty eight, which

688
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: the Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell, funded as a

689
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: great acronym, AMAZING was founded as a political protist group

690
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: who who purport who purportedly justified their name as mere

691
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: jest ah it is what a what a good name,

692
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: which women international. Quite an exciting um, quite an exciting

693
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: back when we could have fun and activism. That does

694
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: sound amazing. Many of the members of this feminist movement

695
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: are unaware of the cultural movement within the political and

696
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: many are are more, and many more are entirely unaware

697
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: of the spiritualist movement within the cultural moment. So a

698
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: whole bunch of weird stuff around. How whiches are using

699
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: political feminism to inject cultural feminism, to inject cultural witchcraft

700
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: into the mainstream. This is all what the goal of

701
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: feminism is. Um so yeah, and she has this whole

702
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: whole pair of feminist feminist witches. Feminist witchcraft is at

703
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: present the most rapidly growing segment in the Witchcraft revival.

704
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: And it is from the spiritual core at the heart

705
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: of the feminist movement that the political and philosophical women's

706
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: rights tenants as a whole emerge. To name what to

707
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: name one such tenant the rights to abortion, or more

708
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: correctly phrased, the might the rights to murder children not

709
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: yet born. This this coincides with the which is present

710
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: ritual practice of murdering children already born. So she thinks

711
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: that abortion is just a way for which is to

712
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: to speed up the ritual process. Yeah, that that is

713
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: what that is her that that's her main bomb at

714
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: the That sounds that sounds accurate. Um, she doesn't just

715
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: have a great section describing the different tools which is used.

716
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: Um and and uh. An athlete. A phallic penis symbol

717
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: of the liberated, unbridled, auto lawful sex represents the power

718
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: of self will. It's pretty pretty good. Sexual symbols are

719
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: common in witchcraft and which is, are unrepressed by God's

720
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: mortal law in their sexuality. Their use of sex symbols

721
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: is rooted in paganism. So again, she's very scary that

722
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: people are having sex and enjoying it, specifically women. She's

723
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: very scared that women are having sex and enjoying it.

724
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: Sounds right. I hate it when the people pushing this

725
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: line are themselves women, But it does. I mean, that's

726
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: a huge part of the evangelical propaganda movement. Yeah, see

727
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of ship, Margaret Atwood wrote. You know, now

728
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: she gets to describe some some of the coolest parts here.

729
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 1: A typical which is Sabbath celebration will have a sky

730
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 1: i clad parenthesis, nude pentis, which is gathered in an

731
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: isolated place a grove of trees, if possible, around an

732
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: altar which holds an icon or statuary of a false

733
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: goddess and or God's, and candles for fire, a child's

734
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: for water or wine, a container of salt and a

735
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: container for earth rather than the bread, and a sword

736
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: or a wand which sounds amazing to just have a

737
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: whole bunch of naked which is in the forest around

738
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 1: a ritual altar fire. This sounds like the best best

739
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: time ever. It does sound like a good Saturday night.

740
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: This does sound like a good who knows we can?

741
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 1: We can, we can get wild? So yeah. She She

742
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: goes in to describe what she thinks magical rituals are

743
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: and different things that she could do again. She is

744
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: very concerned. Ritual sex is engaged in to intensify the

745
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: magical power raised in the cone of power combined wheels

746
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: of the coffin Witches is symbolized with a code shaped

747
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: hats see the typical pictures of which is in literature.

748
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Are you fucking at me? Because nobody wearing one of

749
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 1: those hats has ever gotten fucked? I feel confident say

750
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: I wear that hat. All right, let's let's move forward, Garrison.

751
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: That's not fair, allegedly, let's move forward. The Cone of Power.

752
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Yeah, the Cone of Power is is incredible

753
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: after raising, and it is phallic, so it must be

754
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: for fucking After the raising and release of the Cone

755
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: of Power, a ritual covid communication with cakes and wine

756
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: which the priestess or priest has consecrated by dipping into

757
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: the chalice and touching the cakes with other unholy tools,

758
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: are passed on from a kiss from the priestess to

759
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: the priest. Um. Basically, this just sounds like a fun time. Um. Yeah,

760
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: but I do love the Cone of Power, which I've

761
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: not read in any other magic book. No, I have

762
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: not ever heard of. I've read a decent amount, and

763
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: I've never heard of the Cone of Power. Yeah. That

764
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: feels like pure her. That feels like somebody who's deeply

765
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: sexually frustrated seeing so happy it's kind of shape like

766
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 1: a dick, and being like, that's got to be poor lady.

767
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: And then she she has a small section on Satanism,

768
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 1: particularly like the iron Rand version of Satanism, So I'm

769
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: not even gonna get into that. I find that boring

770
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter, and and and and she even

771
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: says that these Satanists don't believe in an actual devil,

772
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: just a little the evil. So I'm not even gonna

773
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: bother with this section because it's just talking about the dumb,

774
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: iron rand version of Satanism. And I don't care about that. Um,

775
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: if you like it, I mean whatever. It has an

776
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: anarchistic stuff kind of but it's also very randy and

777
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: and it has it has a lot of like, not

778
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: great stuff either. I don't I it's fine and all

779
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: it all is more effort than I want to put

780
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: into thinking about the universe. And then I think, I

781
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 1: think this this could be. I think this is our last,

782
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: our last paragraph favorite. This section is called titled the

783
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: End of the Witches, Witches, our children of the Devil,

784
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: The end of the witches, sorry, the end of the witches.

785
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: Already before their idolterous altars, that they're depraved spots where

786
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: they eat and drink and play their gross music and

787
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: sing and dance, naked and shameless and corrupt and defile

788
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 1: themselves and desecrate God's holy Sabbath, shall surely be accomplished

789
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: by God, who will put them, who'll put them to

790
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: death and cut off their souls forever among his children.

791
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: So that's that's the end of the Witches. Everybody, We're

792
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: gonna be dancing naked, shamelessly, like having like an undeniably

793
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: good time, being able to dance naked and shame listening

794
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: to gross music and singing, what a time. Sounds like

795
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: the ideal weekend. And then and then God will put

796
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: us to death. And it does sound a little bit

797
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: like our last weekend. But it was very cold, so

798
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: people were wearing Yeah, that is that is that is

799
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: most of that is most of the good parts of

800
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: the book. Again, it gets two pages. Yeah, it's a

801
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: nice easy read. Grab it, you know this weekend. It's

802
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: only ten bucks on Amazon. What a deal, what a steal? Yeah,

803
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: And it is fun that she she does, Um, there

804
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: is one there is one section where she like outlines

805
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 1: what all she thinks like magic is like all like

806
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: all of like the different groups. Um, she puts them

807
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: into a really nice little package. But I don't think

808
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: I can find that because again there's two hundred pages

809
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: and I did not mark off that section. But I

810
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: think I think we decently got the gist of the

811
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 1: main main parts of this book. Um, again, most of

812
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: it is just her talking about Jesus and and and

813
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: and the Christian soul. Um. But the one which which

814
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: is of indoor section is pretty good and honestly worth

815
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: the read. So that is my first book report of her.

816
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: It could happen here. All of you Satan's New Year

817
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: beloved children, enjoyed this this this book and are are

818
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: properly warned about the dangers of witchcraft which is coming

819
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: to make your children have a pretty red time. You're

820
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: gonna dance in the woods listening to gross music. So

821
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: I hope everyone on this Halloween danced in the woods

822
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: listening to gross music. I hope those of you who

823
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: climactically could did so naked. Um. I hope none of

824
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: you got hit by cars while dressed as Ninja's and

825
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: I I also hope that most of you weren't out

826
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: trick or treating, because I think the average age of

827
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: our listeners is sometime in the mid twenties. That would

828
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: be a little bit of a little awkward, a little

829
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: bit weird, but hey, whatever, it's your life, your thing.

830
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: Do you think, hello, everyone, Garrison here just going to

831
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: be adding in one quick correction for our Halloween Satan's

832
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: New Year episode. So towards the end we made some

833
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: assumptions about the the Code of Power which were apparently incorrect.

834
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: So the Code of Power does actually seem to be

835
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: a thing inside ritual magic um, but particularly Wika. So

836
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: I'm not super familiar with Wika. This is not this

837
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: is not my system of choice, so I was unaware

838
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: that this is actually a thing, but apparently apparently it is.

839
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: It is. It is a method for centering or directing

840
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: or like raising energy. Um, well it is. It is

841
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: less tied to the which is had those so that

842
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: part is is more um made up. I cannot find

843
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: much tying the Cone of Power directly to like the

844
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: cone shape, which is hats. This is mainly an invention

845
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 1: of of of Doctor Billy from at least from from

846
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: what I can tell. But apologies for assuming that the

847
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: Cone of Power was completely made up and when in

848
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: fact it is a part of Worker. So sorry, sorry

849
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: to the Wickens and the more proper witches for that,

850
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: for that, for that gross assumption on mine and Robert's part. Anyway,

851
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: this wraps up our spooky week of content. I hope

852
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: you had a good Halloween. This episode should be releasing

853
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: on Halloween itself, so I I hope you are having

854
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: or had a good time, and hopefully you were able

855
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: to celebrate Halloween Satan style just like it was designed to.

856
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: So goodbye everybody, see you on the other side and

857
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: hopefully we can do Spooky Week again next year. Goodbye.

858
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh welcome to it could happen here a podcast about

859
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: well mostly it's about how things are bad, but it

860
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: is also sometimes about what you can do about it.

861
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: And today we have two people who are in fact

862
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: doing things about it. So with me we have a

863
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: Bra and Shanine, who are part of the Common Humanity Collective,

864
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: which is a mutual a group out of California, um

865
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: clogen and Club Bra. How how are how are you

866
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: doing today? Doing well? Thank you? Doing pretty good? Thank you.

867
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, we wanted to have you too on to

868
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:50,959
Speaker 1: talk about basically your mutual aid work and then also

869
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: the sort of political aspect of that because I know

870
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: about something YouTube and wanting to talk about that. I've

871
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: read the media coverage of it in it does not

872
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: ever make it into the interview. So yeah, I guess

873
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: I guess to start. So you two started doing mutual

874
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: aid stuff with with this group, specifically around the beginning

875
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. As I understand you know what, can

876
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: you walk us through how it started and what you

877
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: guys are up to? Absolutely, and I think it's interesting

878
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: to trace out the different stages of this work because

879
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: it's very much BEND, a kind of evolution. So let

880
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: me go back to the very very early days, and

881
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: this is really the first day of lockdown UM in

882
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: the Bay Area where we live. I'm a PhD student

883
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: at UC Berkeley and UM. As COVID was spreading from

884
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: the East coast to the west, we knew that things

885
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 1: would quickly get shut down in California UM. And there

886
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 1: was someone in my lab, a good friend named Yvonne,

887
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: and she and I just quickly realized that this pandemic

888
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: was going to hit UM. Given the sort of crumbling

889
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: public health infrastructure, the poorest among us, the elderly dispossessed UM,

890
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: these people would be vulnerable and as PPE just completely

891
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: disappeared from store shelves. These people UM, especially those living

892
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: in cramped housing conditions, those with essential work UH, those

893
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: in nursing homes just would not have access to UM

894
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: the tools they needed to protect themselves from this disease. UM.

895
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: And in the very early days, when we thought that

896
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: the stuff was transmitted via surfaces, UM, all of the

897
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: attention was focused on hand washing hand sanitizer. The problem

898
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: was you couldn't even find hand sanitizer anywhere. So here

899
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: we were in our labs and UM, you know, our

900
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,919
Speaker 1: few moths weren't being used and everyone was getting sent home.

901
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: UM and UH, we realized that we could pull ethanol

902
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: from the scientific re agent supply chains and stir up

903
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: some hand sanitizer ourselves in lab and distribute it UM

904
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: just to homeless shelters, to people who needed it in

905
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: the city, etcetera. UM. So this began as a very

906
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: sort of low key, quiet under the cover UM effort.

907
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: And UM, you know, we didn't have a name. We

908
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 1: didn't even know what mutual Aid was. I think we

909
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: were just following our basic instincts UM. And fast forward

910
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: a week or two, and suddenly a whole lot of

911
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: people got involved. UM. We had this elaborate distribution infrastructure

912
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: which started sort of self assembling. UM. Lots of people

913
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: came to find ways of getting the sanitizer to everyone

914
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: who needed it in the meantime, we realized that as

915
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: the demand was enormous, we need to come up with

916
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: ways of procuring the supplies UM and mixing it at

917
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: scales that we didn't have to turn anyone down. So

918
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: we called upon lots of different labs on campus and

919
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: asked them if they could do this, if they could

920
00:50:55,719 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 1: shift some of their discretionary funds towards getting these chemicals UM.

921
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: And you know again, within a few weeks after that,

922
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: we were mixing hundreds of gallons of hand sanitizer and

923
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: delivering it to absolutely everyone who needed it. My phone

924
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 1: was just getting UH called NonStop from the moment I

925
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: woke up to when I went to sleep, I was

926
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: forgetting to eat. I was barely sleeping. UM. Just responding

927
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: to these cries for help from all over the Bay area. UM.

928
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: And in that time we met so many people UM

929
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: and we figured out how to do this work efficiently

930
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,919
Speaker 1: and effectively. But also UM, as the attention shifted from

931
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: surface transmission to aerosol transmission UM, everyone started realizing that,

932
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: in fact, masks were probably the primary way in which

933
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: we protect ourselves from the coronavirus UM. And that's when

934
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: a good friend of ours Chris, who was a PhD

935
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: student that he's now a post a brilliant, brilliant creative guy,

936
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: came up with ways of that actually making sub micron

937
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: masks out of just UH supply chains that weren't getting

938
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: tapped UM. So initially these were shop towels, and then

939
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: he started looking at NANI fiber material UM and he

940
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: found ways of for around sixty cents making a mass

941
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: that was basically the quality of an N ninety five

942
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 1: mass that could be made in just a few minutes

943
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: at home UM. And so we suddenly just integrated that

944
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 1: whole effort into our own and started just recruiting volunteers,

945
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: sharing all of our resources, and UM this large assembly

946
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: network of these little pods situated all across the Bay Area,

947
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: each of them with a team lead with a little army,

948
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: a battalion of assembly volunteers and dedicated drivers were just

949
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: making thousands of these mass every week, which we were

950
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: then distributing through the the distribution infrastructure that we had

951
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: UH sort of put together earlier on in the pandemic.

952
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: And so we found ourselves and this was still very

953
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,280
Speaker 1: much in a time when you couldn't even find cloth

954
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: masks or surgical masks and shops, we found ourselves astonishingly

955
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: being the primary source of this essential ppe for tens

956
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: and tens of thousands of people in the Bay Area.

957
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: And as we were covered in the early days by

958
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: the Chronicle in the l A Times, loads of people

959
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: started joining the volunteer network, we started getting donations and uh,

960
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: that was the earlier stage of what we did, and

961
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: I'll pass it on to Jinine to talk about what

962
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: we did next. Yeah, So, kind of as UM Common

963
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: Humanity Collective was working on this project up Bar, myself

964
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: and a couple other folks started adopting kind of a

965
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: Democratic Socialists of America or East by d S A

966
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: side of what was happening UM. And through this project

967
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: our intent was to UM have a little bit more

968
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: political education and think really critically about how we could

969
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 1: make this true mutual aid, which A Row and I

970
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: have learned is really really difficult to do, especially under capitalism. UM.

971
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: And so because we started this project around December, so

972
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: kind of the height of the pandemic, we wanted to

973
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: make it accessible for people who were really COVID cautious UM,

974
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: and so we would assemble kits of masks in a

975
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: park with a couple of folks outside, and then we

976
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: would drive these kits to people's homes and get on

977
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: zoom UM and we would have a breakout room for

978
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: people to learn how to make masks. UM. People oftentimes

979
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: people who had only come to the build a couple

980
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: of times started teaching new folks how to build these masks.

981
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: And in the other room we were doing readings. UM.

982
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: We were reading you know, Panna Cook and Jane mciwy

983
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: b side by side talking about you know, trade unions

984
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 1: and solidarity unionism. We were reading about tenant organizing. UM

985
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: a bar. Do you want to talk about Rosa Luxemburg

986
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: a little bit? Yeah, I mean it was an amazing thing.

987
00:54:53,080 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: We were trying to sort of expand our own political consciousness,

988
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 1: and we did things like host to three part series

989
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 1: just discussing, examining, analyzing the political theory of Rosa Luxembourg UM.

990
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: And we had huge participation. And this was at a

991
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: time where in our d SA chapter UM and many

992
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: of the different committees people were panicking because no one

993
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: was showing up UM, and yet we found an enormous

994
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: number of people joining our effort in these discussions were

995
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: so energetic and so enthusiastic. Um. And you know, this

996
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: was a lonely time. It was a difficult time, and

997
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: people seemed to find something and what we were doing.

998
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: What do you think about that, Jennie, Yeah, and I

999
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: think you know, not only were people coming and participating, right,

1000
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: we had high school students. We had people who had

1001
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: dedicated the pandemic to reading political theory, right, and so

1002
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: you have this huge breath of knowledge. We have more

1003
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: liberal people joining. We have like anarchists and communists right, like,

1004
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: all in this space that are actually talking together. And

1005
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: what was so empowering to me was everyone felt like

1006
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 1: they could speak. We had people that were really introverted,

1007
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: um then in the beginning didn't talk at all, slowly

1008
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: start to open up. We had high schoolers asking really

1009
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: incredible questions, right like is revolution even possible right now? Um?

1010
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: And kind of getting into some of this. And I

1011
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: think one of the most impactful things was that we

1012
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: had these calls from seven to nine at night, and

1013
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: after that we had what we called late night, where

1014
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: folks would stay on till like twelve at night and

1015
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: talk to each other. And in this time of like

1016
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: isolation and depression, I don't think anyone that I know

1017
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: at least was having a good time in December, January, February, right,

1018
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: people were coming together on Zoom and actually staying on

1019
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: Zoom after what we were doing to feel some type

1020
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: of camaraderie, to feel like they were part of a community. Um.

1021
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: And we were able to actually create that space. And

1022
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 1: I think that that was something that to me was

1023
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: really incredible. UM. And I think, you know, framing this

1024
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: also from the George Floyd protests that happened over the

1025
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: summer and thinking you know, more about abolition, right, thinking

1026
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: more about community building. I don't think you can truly

1027
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: or I can't imagine the future without the prison industrial

1028
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: complex that doesn't involve communities of care, that doesn't involve

1029
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 1: giving people both the resources and the like love that

1030
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: they need to be able to not be pushed into

1031
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: situations where they have to commit crimes, and also having

1032
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: accountability amongst each other. Um. Not to mention, right, this

1033
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: work is really really hard. People burn out, like we

1034
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: are exhausted to be able to create a space where

1035
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: everyone cares for each other or we're checking in with

1036
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: each other where you know, in the beginning of this

1037
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 1: virtual mask builds, I think, you know, a bar, myself

1038
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: and a couple other folks were doing the majority of

1039
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 1: the work and by the end we were doing none

1040
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: of it. We had like been able to reallocate those tasks,

1041
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: we had been able to develop leaders, and we had

1042
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: essentially organized ourselves out of a job, which to me

1043
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 1: is like the organizer's dream, right, Like that's what you

1044
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: really want to see happen, UM. And so that's kind

1045
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: of what was happening on the production side of the

1046
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: Mask builds. On the distribution side, again, we're thinking, how

1047
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: can we act really make this true mutual aid UM,

1048
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: and so we started to partner with Tank Tenant and

1049
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: Neighborhood Councils, which is one of the main tenant groups

1050
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: in the Bay Area UM and working with them to

1051
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: go to food banks right places where people are generally

1052
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 1: low income, where they might not be able to have

1053
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: the resources to get masks, and we're distributing masks asking

1054
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: them are you having trouble with your rent or your landlord? Right?

1055
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: The goal in this is to give people the tools

1056
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: to organize around issues that are deeply pertinent and urgent

1057
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: to them, especially with an impending fiction moratorium. Right, and

1058
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: so UM, we learned a lot through this. We went

1059
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: to a lot of different food banks we found, um,

1060
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: you know, some of them were places where people primarily

1061
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: spoke Cantonese and Mandarin, and so we you know, used

1062
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: our networks again that we had created through this project,

1063
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: these relationships of trust to find people that spoke Mandarin

1064
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: and we're willing to come out, um and talk with folks. Um.

1065
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: We found people that spoke Spanish that we're willing to

1066
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 1: come out and talk with folks. And we started to

1067
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: develop relationships at these food banks where we are able

1068
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: to distribute masks to people, talk to them, understand what

1069
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: issues they were having, UM, and invite them to come

1070
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: to meetings where they could actually get their resources to

1071
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: try and tackle some of these issues that they're facing.

1072
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: Abrought you have more to add on the MASS project, Yeah,

1073
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: I think it's worth saying that. UM, we're all very busy.

1074
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm a PhD student. While we were doing this work, UM,

1075
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, in d s A, I was teaching a

1076
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: class and I was doing research, and Janine is a

1077
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: extremely busy union organizer. UM, And normally, you know, we'd

1078
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: come home after work and be absolutely exhausted, UM, and

1079
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: this was very tiring, but we felt somehow energized, We

1080
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: felt driven to do this, and we found that lots

1081
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: of the other people who participated were also busy with

1082
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: their jobs and yet would make time to do this

1083
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: and UM in terms of our actual practice, in terms

1084
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: of trying to develop the political dimension of the distribution

1085
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: aspect of our mutual aid, there was a constant interplay

1086
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: between what we were reading and what we were practicing.

1087
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: So as we began working with this radical tenant organizing

1088
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: group tank that Jinin mentioned, whose aim is to give

1089
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: tenants the tools to form tenant councils and tenant unions

1090
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: in order to use tools such as rent strikes to

1091
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: rebalance power between themselves and their landlords and real estate companies, etcetera. UM.

1092
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: During that time, during our mask builds, we would then

1093
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: go and read articles in newspaper clippings from you know,

1094
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: early twentieth century, when there were examples of twenty year

1095
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 1: old factory girls in Lower Manhattan organizing groups of apartment

1096
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: buildings to go on rent strike, you know, ten thousand

1097
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: families in one case, to go on rent strike. These incredible,

1098
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 1: deeply inspiring stories, UM where people uh suddenly became UH

1099
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 1: subjects of history and not merely objects. And I think

1100
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 1: part of what's stained our own work in this group

1101
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: was some UH similar feeling and UM At the same time,

1102
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: when we were trying to imagine future beyond capitalism, we

1103
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: were looking at moments when that future seemed within reach,

1104
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: and so we were studying, for example, Paris in ninety,

1105
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: which is a moment within many people's living memory, all

1106
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 1: although not our own, UM and studying how it was

1107
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: that these protests began with the student movement and then

1108
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: spilled out into these massive strikes and all the sort

1109
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: of self activity that emerged from that. And there was

1110
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 1: such a wide, wide breath of people who came to

1111
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: these builds. There were people as young as high schoolers,

1112
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 1: were also much older, people in their seventies and eighties.

1113
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: And when we were having this discussion, someone who lived

1114
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: through the sixties and witnessed these things very up close

1115
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: came to talk about Paris in n and shared the

1116
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: wealth of his own experience. And again, all of this

1117
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: was driving what we were actually doing with our hands,

1118
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: what we were doing on the streets, what we were

1119
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: doing at these food bank lines, UM and so it

1120
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: was very critical that everything we were reading was somehow

1121
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: feeding into our practice. Yeah, and I think, you know,

1122
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: we had over a hundred people participate in these masks builds.

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01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: And I think one of the things that I really

1124
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: took away from this is again, people were craving that community,

1125
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,440
Speaker 1: They were craving relationships, and people came back because they

1126
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: felt that in this group, UM. And that translated also

1127
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,680
Speaker 1: as we transitioned, right, we had built a culture of

1128
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: friendship and of caring for each other that people wanted

1129
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: to continue working on this. They wanted to continue to

1130
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: be a part of this project. As we transitioned UM

1131
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: to building air purifiers, right as the um you know,

1132
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: vaccines became more prevalent, masks were still being worn, but

1133
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: to a lesser degree. UM, and we started turning to

1134
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: fire season UM. As these disasters right continue to strike,

1135
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: especially with climate change only getting worse and worse, one

1136
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: of the things that I think is really powerful about

1137
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: mutual aid, and is really powerful about communities is that

1138
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: these disasters have been happening and continue to happen at

1139
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: a greater and greater frequency. And I think what I've

1140
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: learned from looking at you know, the heat waves that

1141
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: recently took many lives across the Pacific Northwest. The UM

1142
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: really really freezing temperatures that happened in Texas about a

1143
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: year ago, and especially COVID is that you know, the government,

1144
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: local or federal is not stepping in to help people.

1145
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: Billionaires are not really stepping in to help people. It's

1146
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: really only communities and networks of relationships that are keeping

1147
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: people alive. And the only way you know that we're

1148
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: going to get through this is through having those relationships,

1149
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: through understanding where people need support. And we started to

1150
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 1: do this with the distribution of masks, right is build

1151
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: relationships with community members in you know, fruit Vale in Oakland,

1152
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: which is not a large, not a place that many

1153
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: people from d SA or from TANK are living currently, right,

1154
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 1: and starting to build relationships with people that do need

1155
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: these resources in times of crisis UM, so that we

1156
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: know where we can plug in and also build relationships

1157
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: amongst our fellow organizers so that we can support each

1158
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: other through these disasters. UM. And so as we transitioned

1159
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 1: to the air purifiers, we started, you know, thinking about

1160
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: everything we have learned from the Mass project and kind

1161
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: of making that even bigger and better, and how can

1162
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: we you know, continue to take what we've learned and

1163
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: change it and turn it into something really really incredible.

1164
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: And UM we you know Chris who Abar mentioned before,

1165
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: who came up with the masks, came up with a

1166
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: really incredible way to make air purifiers that like ridiculously efficient.

1167
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: UM is really really useful, especially for wildfire smoke, but

1168
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 1: also for just people with asthma. There's a lot of

1169
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: environmental pollution in the Bay area, right these things can

1170
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: be used UM year round. And we began to build

1171
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: these air purifiers out of you know, box fans and

1172
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: help a filters UM with a shroud with weather stripping

1173
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: right to make the air like only go through the

1174
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: fan to make it extremely efficient. And UM started to

1175
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: think about how can we make this like community aspect

1176
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: even bigger at least this is what I was thinking of,

1177
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: because I started to realize, right, I think the only

1178
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: thing that we can rely on is each other right now,

1179
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: especially UM. And so we started bringing in a bunch

1180
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: of different groups to come to these builds. So we

1181
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: have you know, East Bay d s A. We started

1182
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 1: working really closely with Sunrise and developed a level of

1183
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: trust and reciprocity in that relationship that has you know,

1184
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: continued to be really beneficial to us UM and really helpful.

1185
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: We met amazing people that came out. You know, they've

1186
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: helped fundraise for US as our funding has gotten really

1187
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: really low because these air purifiers are not cheap those

1188
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: they are much cheaper than commercially available, but we're you know,

1189
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: giving them to folks for free because we want this

1190
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: to be mutual aid UM and so working with Sunrise,

1191
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: we're working with Asians for Black Lives UM, Berkeley Mutual

1192
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:13,480
Speaker 1: Aid MASK Oakland UM who both came out to our

1193
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: builds but also helped us distribute air purifiers to Reno

1194
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: and to places that had you know a qu i

1195
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: s of five hundred right when fire season was so bad,

1196
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: when the smoke there was just like unlivable. UM. We

1197
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: were able to work with them to distribute these air

1198
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: purifiers where people really needed them most. UM we were

1199
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: able to you know, continue to work with tank UM.

1200
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: Some folks from the i w W came out. We

1201
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: were able to distribute these air purifiers to the Sagorata

1202
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: Land Trust, which is UM a land trust that is

1203
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 1: run by Indigenous women UM and is working on essentially

1204
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: giving um indigenous land back to Indigenous people. We were

1205
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: able to distribute with Critical Resistance and amazing abolitionist groups

1206
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: started by Ruth Wilson Gilmore and Angela dave Us in Oakland.

1207
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: We were able to distribute UM to s r oh UM,

1208
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,040
Speaker 1: a group that is working with UM low income Chinese

1209
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 1: immigrants in San Francisco who are generally living in single

1210
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,440
Speaker 1: family homes right with really bad air quality UM and

1211
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: work with like all of these different groups, you know,

1212
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: Berkeley Mutual Aid. We're pulling in people from just countless

1213
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: networks to come and build air purifiers together. UM. And

1214
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: we had you know, an ex black panther talking to

1215
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: someone from Sunrise from San Francisco, right Like these just

1216
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: wild connections, UM that are happening at these builds of

1217
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: people who are deeply political and people who are barely

1218
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: understanding um you know what socialism means, but are wanting

1219
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: to come out and do something for their community. UM.

1220
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: And through these relationships and networks again, like we're able

1221
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 1: to hang out after the builds, people are able to

1222
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: enjoy themselves. Everyone said they were having a really fun

1223
01:07:57,040 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 1: time even though we were like literally doing work this

1224
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: satur Day. People were still like, this is so fun.

1225
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: We had you know, people baking bread and like fruit

1226
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: tarts and cheesecakes and bringing it. We had so we

1227
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: had music. It was like a very fun atmosphere and environment.

1228
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: And despite the fact that you know, it was physical

1229
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: labor and it was taxing and a lot of times

1230
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: it was on hot days. Um, people stayed for you know,

1231
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: four hours to help do this and to do this

1232
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 1: work because they cared, because they wanted to see, um,

1233
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, what they could be able to do. And

1234
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: they also I think started to build relationships. Um. I know,

1235
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, countless people talked to a Bra and I

1236
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: and had no idea. You know, we've known each other

1237
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 1: for less than a year now, um, and they thought

1238
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 1: we'd known each other our whole lives. And I think

1239
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: that that really speaks, right. I think that speaks so

1240
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,599
Speaker 1: much to the relationships that we've been able to build

1241
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: through this. And you know, I think a Bra and

1242
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: I have met countless people and have developed like an

1243
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: incredible community through this work. Um. That definitely helps me

1244
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: keep going. I would definitely be able to continue to

1245
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,759
Speaker 1: do this work if I couldn't, you know, call Librara,

1246
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: but nine pm and we talked for three hours, and

1247
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 1: we complain, but we also talked through like what are

1248
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: we doing and how can it be better? And how

1249
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: can we you know, get through this roadblock UM And

1250
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: I saw that in countless places UM as we moved

1251
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: to our own distribution, So we're partnering with these organizations,

1252
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 1: but we're also doing our own distribution UM, which I

1253
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 1: think is like a huge experiment. And how to actually

1254
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 1: do mutual aid which UM is something that you know,

1255
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,320
Speaker 1: when we talked to the organizers in our circles, we

1256
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: weren't finding answers too, and so we kind of realized

1257
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: like we just have to kind of try and figure

1258
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 1: this out. But we would go out and do these

1259
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: distributions and afterwards, you know, have lunch with people and

1260
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: talk to each other like what could we do better?

1261
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: What are we doing wrong? Is this mutual aid? Like

1262
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: these are questions we're having right after we've been standing

1263
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: in the sun talking to people for three hours. Like

1264
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: the dedication of the people involved in this, like of

1265
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: our said, most of us are working forty fifty sixty

1266
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: hour weeks and yet we're dedicating constant time during the

1267
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: week and at least one day every weekend to either

1268
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: distribution or a build. UM is incredible. I feel like

1269
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,320
Speaker 1: incredibly honored to be able to work with the people

1270
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:11,560
Speaker 1: that we've been working with UM. But in our distribution,

1271
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 1: we started thinking about, you know, how can we invite

1272
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: some of these people to come to our builds. Maybe

1273
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: that's the reciprocity. I think true mutual aid is really

1274
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: about believing that the people that were distributing to can

1275
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: also give back to us, rather than seeing them as

1276
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: like helpless UM. And so we continue to do some

1277
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: of our distributions with tank UM and actually we were

1278
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: able to do some of these distributions in a way

1279
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: that helped new buildings who were just starting to form

1280
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: tenant councils. UM. You know, use the air purifiers as

1281
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: a way to open up conversation with some of these

1282
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: people and say, hey, you're building is being organized. Remember

1283
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: how the fire season was last year, right, Like, this

1284
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: is something that you can use, and let's talk more

1285
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 1: about other tools that we can use coming together to

1286
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: really fight for changes that we can't necessarily make on

1287
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: our own. UM. So that was happening, and then we

1288
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: also decided to look at data around where in Oakland

1289
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: or asthma rates really high, where in Oakland is air

1290
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: pollution really bad, and where in Oakland is it primarily

1291
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: lower income folks? Right? We want to be giving these

1292
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: air purifiers to people who can't generally afford a hundred

1293
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: to two hundred dollar air purifier. UM. And so East

1294
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,800
Speaker 1: Oakland was one of those places. And again through this

1295
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: network that we had built through the Mask build, we

1296
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: had a connection in East Oakland someone that had UM

1297
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: that is part of East Bay ds A right, that

1298
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 1: had done a lot of community organizing, and someone that

1299
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,759
Speaker 1: was actually able to, you know, send out an email

1300
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 1: to her neighborhood and say, hey, we have air purifiers.

1301
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 1: And so we had people posting up at her house. UM.

1302
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: So you know, we were coming into a neighborhood that

1303
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 1: was not our own, which in some ways UM you know,

1304
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,800
Speaker 1: there's a lot of complications to that, UM, but we

1305
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: were also able to do it at someone's house that

1306
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: we knew UM. And our goal in this was to

1307
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 1: get people to come to our builds to make air

1308
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: purifiers for themselves and for their family, their community, their friends,

1309
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: so that we then don't have to go into those neighborhoods, right,

1310
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: so that they can then start to own that distribution

1311
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: and own this project and like feel an autonomy over it. Um.

1312
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: And so we also kind of door knocked around the

1313
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:18,759
Speaker 1: neighborhood talking to people about the air purifiers, about wildfire smoke,

1314
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: about coming out to a build, you know, about why

1315
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: this is really important, um, why we need people to

1316
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: engage in this project. Um. And we distributed almost a

1317
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: hundred air purifiers that day, I think folks in that community.

1318
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: And after that that week UM, so we distributed on

1319
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: Sunday and then um a week later on Saturday, we

1320
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: would have a build. So within that week, right, we're

1321
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: calling everyone that we distributed to saying, hey, how is

1322
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 1: your air porifier working? Can you come out to a build.

1323
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: It's really really valuable that you come out to a

1324
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,040
Speaker 1: build so that you can make sure that your community

1325
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,799
Speaker 1: has clean air to breathe, especially during fire season. UM.

1326
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 1: And through these calls, right, I talked to someone who

1327
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: lived in East Oakland for an hour, UM, and this

1328
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: person just started opening up and was so touched that

1329
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: we had done this and basically said, you know, no

1330
01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: one has ever cared for my community like this. No

1331
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: one has ever even thought about us, right, And you see,

1332
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: like there are nonprofits right California was giving out air

1333
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: purifiers to certain people, like there's a semblance of the structure.

1334
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: And yet we were actually interfacing with these people who

1335
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: seemed to have no idea that any of this was

1336
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 1: happening right there, saying, you know, no one else has

1337
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,640
Speaker 1: been able to do this, UM, and we're starting to

1338
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: form relationships and develop connections in these neighborhoods and make

1339
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: people feel cared for and follow up UM. And despite

1340
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: all of this work, right, no one shows up to

1341
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: our bill that week UM, And I think Obra and

1342
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: I both felt pretty defeated, right, Like is mutually possible?

1343
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: What are we're doing wrong? Clearly? Like class and racial

1344
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: barriers are really hard to overcome in this UM. And

1345
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking to our ex black panther friend

1346
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 1: that has continued to be a huge part of this project,

1347
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: and he was like, you're you know, you have to

1348
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 1: keep trying. You're doing the right things. And so we

1349
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: went to West Oakland again where we had a connection

1350
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 1: from our Mass project that helped us set up in

1351
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: front of this corner next to UM, a vegan cafe

1352
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: that serves trans poc for free UM and has really

1353
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: wonderful food. We're able to talk with them give them

1354
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: air purifier as they allowed us to. UM kind of

1355
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: set up shop in front of their store. And there's

1356
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: also like a liquor store on this corner. It's like

1357
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: a very busy corner in West Oakland. UM and kind

1358
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,480
Speaker 1: of did the same thing. We're handing out air purifiers,

1359
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: talking to people about the build, talking to people about

1360
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:40,120
Speaker 1: UM you know why this is important. And we're also

1361
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: door knocking in the neighborhood, talking to folks UM at

1362
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: their homes, UM asking people, you know, who needs an

1363
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,760
Speaker 1: air purifier? Right, Like, these communities generally know each other

1364
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,640
Speaker 1: really well, and we're able to talk to people who

1365
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: are like, oh my gosh, you know, like my aunt

1366
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 1: lives over there and her kid has asthma, and like

1367
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: you should go talk with her. UM. And so we

1368
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: start to develop these connections and kind of map out

1369
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: the neighborhood and UM you know, again we're following up.

1370
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 1: We're talking to these people on the phone, we're asking

1371
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: them to come out to the build. And we went

1372
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:11,320
Speaker 1: out to this neighborhood again. So the second time we

1373
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: went out. Um. I started to recognize people, right, and

1374
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,639
Speaker 1: I started to be able to talk with people, and um,

1375
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: through I was kind of like door knocking, um, while

1376
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 1: people were posted up by the liquor store and this

1377
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: beacon cafe and uh, there was like a church service

1378
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: going on and I recognized one of the people there,

1379
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 1: and he recognized me, and we were able to talk

1380
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: and he was really grateful for the work that we

1381
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: were doing. And he started calling his friends over and

1382
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: be like, hey, you know, do you all need an

1383
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 1: air purifier? Remember how a bad fire season was last year,

1384
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 1: And also like we should all go to this build

1385
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,840
Speaker 1: next time. Um, you know we should actually be showing

1386
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 1: up and helping out um. And words spread so quickly,

1387
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,120
Speaker 1: like these communities are so deeply connected, um, at least

1388
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: from what I like witnessed. And um that week again, right,

1389
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: we called everyone. We said, like, you know, we really

1390
01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: think it's valuable for you all to come out to

1391
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: a build. We want to give you like ownership and

1392
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 1: autonomy over this in a world where I think so

1393
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: often you feel so little autonomy, um, and so little

1394
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: power when everything feels like it's crumbling. Right to have

1395
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 1: some semblance of ownership and autonomy. To be able to

1396
01:16:13,439 --> 01:16:17,599
Speaker 1: um do something that is immediately like visible and real

1397
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 1: UM feels really powerful, right when sometimes you know, uh,

1398
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 1: talking to elected officials is moving too slowly because disasters

1399
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,879
Speaker 1: are happening so quickly. There is a need to balance

1400
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: immediate need and system change, right, and I think you

1401
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: have to constantly hold both. Um. But you know, we're

1402
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: talking to these folks, were asking them to come to

1403
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: the build and UM, we actually had a couple of

1404
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: people come out to our build from our distribution, people

1405
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: that had a really amazing time, People that you know

1406
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 1: said that they enjoyed being there um and took air

1407
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: purifiers back and gave them out to their friends and family. UM.

1408
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: And we're able to say, you know, I made this right,

1409
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 1: like this is something valuable, but also I understand how

1410
01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 1: it works. And I talked to one of these people.

1411
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: Our next build is actually on his birthday, and he

1412
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 1: was like, I really want to come out on my birthday.

1413
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: I really want to come out and help people and

1414
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: do this thing that has been enjoyable um and is

1415
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 1: also like helping people. And that to me was someone right,

1416
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: like that someone wants to come on their birthday to

1417
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: like build air purifiers on a Saturday, when most of

1418
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 1: these people are you know, working forty two however many

1419
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:30,719
Speaker 1: hours a week that they're willing to continue to even

1420
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: work on a Saturday, I think is a huge feat UM,

1421
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: and it's something that's definitely felt really really powerful in

1422
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 1: this Yeah. I think something that Janine brings out is

1423
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 1: really important, which is that UM, at every stage we've

1424
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: been sort of interrogating and examining the work we're doing

1425
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: and asking whether we are truly drawing out the full

1426
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: political potential of our work. So in the earlier days

1427
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: when we were just stirring up that sanitizer and getting

1428
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 1: out these masks, you know, we did a lot, and

1429
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: you know, this network of volunteers comprised well over two

1430
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: hundred people, and it was sort of consuming all of

1431
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 1: our time. But eventually we realized that to a large degree,

1432
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:20,600
Speaker 1: we were basically just acting as a stopgap measure for

1433
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: government austerity, for the big gaps left behind by this

1434
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: extremely problematic nonprofit industrial complex, and the work we were

1435
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 1: doing then we realized, was sort of susceptible to co

1436
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 1: optation UM, and it didn't necessarily represent too much of

1437
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: a threat to capitalist hegemony and um. At that point,

1438
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, we shifted into d s A and we

1439
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: started bringing in a very sort of explicit political education

1440
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: component and started associating with an organization like Tank, which

1441
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:02,240
Speaker 1: is already been doing um, really incredible radical organizing in

1442
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: the Bay Area, but eventually ran up against the limits

1443
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: of that as well. And you know, d Essay is

1444
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 1: an organization where a lot of us initially learned our politics,

1445
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 1: but you know, and its current sort of stage, it's

1446
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: characterized by a strong degree in our chapter of sort

1447
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 1: of democratic centralism, and most of the effort is being

1448
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 1: put toward electoral work and reform work, and everything that

1449
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:28,440
Speaker 1: we were reading about seemed to point towards the extreme

1450
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: limits of that form of organizing and how these forms

1451
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: of organizing in fact represented sometimes the more reactionary elements

1452
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: of the left in earlier moments in history, and we

1453
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: wanted to go beyond that. And so we realized that

1454
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: we were spending a lot of time having to just

1455
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: sort of defend the work that we were doing. So

1456
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 1: eventually we just decided to uh sort of reassert our autonomy.

1457
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: And as we shifted into the air Purifier chapter of

1458
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: our work, that's what we were doing, and um our

1459
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 1: inspirations are manifold. And as we were reading about these

1460
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:07,560
Speaker 1: earlier moments in history, something which UM had an extraordinary

1461
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,879
Speaker 1: effect on me was studying the example of the Spanish

1462
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: Revolution in six and suddenly I was reading about this

1463
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:20,200
Speaker 1: moment in history that's been more or less erased from

1464
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: most of our textbooks are presented UM in a very

1465
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: kind of dishonest form UM. And what these workers and

1466
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: peasants had done in the midst of fascist takeover was

1467
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: create on an enormous scale UM the perhaps the most

1468
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: egalitarian society that I've ever read about, which truly represented

1469
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 1: UM a sort of liberatory, radical, early form of anti

1470
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: authoritarian socialism that stands in tremendous contrast to the much

1471
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:01,840
Speaker 1: uglier forms of so called so acitialism that we've seen

1472
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: appear in the twentieth century. And what I noticed was

1473
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: that this society in Spain in n six was absolutely

1474
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: replete with mutual aid, and these kind of anarchist tendencies

1475
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: had UM sort of penetrated the consciousness of many of

1476
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:23,440
Speaker 1: the workers and peasants in Spain, you know, sixty years

1477
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: before the revolution, after UM Bakunin in the first International

1478
01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: sent out an emissary to start spreading these ideas, and

1479
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: they took whole like wildfire and spread across the country.

1480
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: I think, I think one of one of the most

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Speaker 1: incredible things about that story is the the guy they

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01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 1: gets sent from Italy, like from as as the representative now,

1483
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 1: because yeah, he doesn't speak Spanish, right, he only speaks Italian,

1484
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: and he he he should stove at this place, right,

1485
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: and he's he's he's such a sort of brilliant order

1486
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: and and the sort of like the power of the

1487
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: ideas that he has is so strong that you know

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01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: it it breaks through the language here, and it's it's

1489
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 1: this sort of I think it's just this incredible moments

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01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: that you know, I think, I think comes into a

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01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of WHI the two were running

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01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 1: into with, you know, I mean, we still live in

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01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: a place that's you know, incredibly defined by language bears,

1494
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,400
Speaker 1: and just the the ability to break through that becomes

1495
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 1: it gives you this just incredible potential of power and organization. Yeah, Chase,

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01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: you don't know how much it means to me to

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01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: hear someone who's as familiar with this as most of

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01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 1: the time when I talked about it, just total blank faces,

1499
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: even among my friends and comrades on the left. And unfortunately,

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01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean reading about Finelli, who didn't speak

1501
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: a word of Spanish and he just went and with

1502
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 1: his wild gesticulations and his passionate rhetoric was able to

1503
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 1: basically inspire people with the radical politics that he came

1504
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,479
Speaker 1: there to represent. And it somehow then took on a

1505
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: life of its own. Is kind of an extraordinary thing.

1506
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 1: And what I would do to take a time machine

1507
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:59,639
Speaker 1: back and just see what this guy, you know, stuck

1508
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: on rains and basically lived as a tramp as he

1509
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,519
Speaker 1: went from village to village, spreading the word what what

1510
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: this looked like? What was he doing? Um? And yet

1511
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: these ideas took hold in a only deep way. And UM,

1512
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: these notions of solidarity, mutual aid, cooperation, free association existed

1513
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:25,719
Speaker 1: by the time of the Spanish Revolution in nineteen thirty six.

1514
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,680
Speaker 1: So these sort of dual power counter institutions were more

1515
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 1: or less in place. And these are the things which,

1516
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: um were the basis the precondition for this sweeping egalitarian

1517
01:23:38,439 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: social revolution that then unfolded, which was unfortunately destroyed by force. UM.

1518
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: But this was the sort of society that I imagined

1519
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:50,960
Speaker 1: I might actually want to live. Um and and uh

1520
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 1: and and what you see is that there is a

1521
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: deep element to UM, a sort of shared consciousness that

1522
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 1: existed at that time. And it was quite an effort

1523
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 1: for people to bring that consciousness from sort of the

1524
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: countryside where it took hold more nash naturally into sort

1525
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: of the industrial um centers, the metropolitan areas where people

1526
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: working in factories were um, you know, found it a

1527
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:20,839
Speaker 1: lot more difficult to sort of exercise these UM values

1528
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: because these things are effectively bled out of them as

1529
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: a work on the factory floor. And UM. That brought

1530
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:31,760
Speaker 1: a whole different meaning to the work that we were

1531
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: doing now. And we wondered, what can we do to

1532
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: uh inculcate, to nurture this kind of consciousness among the

1533
01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 1: people with whom we're interacting as we do our mutual aid,

1534
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: as we do our distributions, as we hold these builds

1535
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: that you know, even though we had trouble getting initially

1536
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 1: a few of the people from our distributions to show up,

1537
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: there were still you know, sixty seventy people showing up

1538
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: every other weekend. And now we finally started having the

1539
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 1: people that were distributing extraordinarily surprising and exciting and yeah,

1540
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: this has been It could Happen Here. Join us tomorrow

1541
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: for part two of this interview, where we'll go more

1542
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:12,759
Speaker 1: in death in the political side Common Humanity Collectives work. Meanwhile,

1543
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: you can find us on Twitter That Happened Here pod

1544
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 1: and also on Instagram in the same place, and you

1545
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,719
Speaker 1: can find the rest of her worker cools and media

1546
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 1: in the same places. Welcome it could Happen Here podcast

1547
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: about things falling apart and about how we can put

1548
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: them back together in a way better than they originally were.

1549
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,759
Speaker 1: And today we're going to continue our interview with Janina

1550
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: Abrar from the Common Humanity Collective. We've been talking about

1551
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,600
Speaker 1: their work. We've been talking about the origin of the

1552
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:54,200
Speaker 1: mutual aid products. We've been talking specifically about the political

1553
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: aspect of their work and how they're reading this sort

1554
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 1: of anarchists. The history of anarchists Ruckle in Spain and

1555
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 1: particularly bbitual agere in the Spanish Civil War helped impact

1556
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: and shape the politics and work that they've been doing.

1557
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: One thing I wanted, I wanted to sort of circle

1558
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:11,720
Speaker 1: back all the way too from the beginning was the

1559
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: stuff you got you were doing at the very beginning

1560
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: of the pandemic. Because I think that this is I've

1561
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: talked about this before on here, but you know, the

1562
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: difference between a country like the US where what seven

1563
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:28,080
Speaker 1: hundreds and undifty people are dead and places where that

1564
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: didn't happen was the degree your community mobilization. And I

1565
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: talked about this with the Chinese example, is that like, yeah,

1566
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: I mean like that the reason that China that the

1567
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: pandemic sort of got contained there, it wasn't because the

1568
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: state stepped in and was like, we're going to do this.

1569
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 1: It was because hundreds of thousands of ordinary people just

1570
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: took to the streets and we're like, okay, we're doing

1571
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,000
Speaker 1: a lockdown now. And you know, and it takes a

1572
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: different form in China because you know, there's there's a

1573
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:51,680
Speaker 1: lot of different sort of things going on there, but

1574
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 1: that kind of mass community mobilization in the beginning of

1575
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,120
Speaker 1: it's just like it. It didn't happen that much in

1576
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,280
Speaker 1: the US. And I think, like, you know, the the

1577
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: world where we don't all die in the pandemic, right

1578
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: is the one where the things that you all were

1579
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 1: doing happen. I mean, one the way the things. I

1580
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 1: remember my sister is a bios grad student, and she

1581
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 1: was telling me about how, you know, so so the

1582
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: you know, one of one of the things, one of

1583
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,559
Speaker 1: the bottlenecks beginning of a pandemic, and it's still kind

1584
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: of a bottleneck, was it was about being able to

1585
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: being able to do COVID tests. And you know, bio

1586
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: grad students can do PCR tests like it's easy. This

1587
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: is you know, this is one of the first things

1588
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: they teach you. And that capacity just was never used.

1589
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: It just it was just sort of left and like

1590
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 1: sat there and rotted, and it sat there and rotted

1591
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:39,640
Speaker 1: because you know, the actual pandemic response was run by

1592
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,439
Speaker 1: a state that just didn't care. Any bureaucracy that even

1593
01:27:42,439 --> 01:27:44,280
Speaker 1: when it did care, was sort of you know, I

1594
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: didn't have this capacity to mobilize. You know, it's it's

1595
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: its entire existence is about making sure that sort of

1596
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: the capacity for a tonics mobibilization never happens. And I

1597
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,519
Speaker 1: think that that was one of the most interesting and

1598
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 1: powerful parts of what y'all were doing, was that you

1599
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 1: just did it and it just it kept spreading. Yeah, No,

1600
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,960
Speaker 1: I think it's a that's a really good and important

1601
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 1: point you're bringing up. And I should mention that before

1602
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: we started doing any of the stuff with PPE, I

1603
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: was actually you know, as word as as as the

1604
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 1: um uh, the fear of the pandemic started spreading, and

1605
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: we finally had a picture of what the US would

1606
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:28,719
Speaker 1: soon look like. I remember going to a union meeting

1607
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: among my Spellow grad student workers and talking some people

1608
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:35,439
Speaker 1: afterwards and saying like, hey, um, I don't think that

1609
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: we have anywhere near the kind of testing infrastructure that

1610
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 1: we're going to need to prevent the spread of this stuff,

1611
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 1: Like why don't we just is there any way that

1612
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: we can just take pc art machines and set up

1613
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: these little guerrilla operators and start testing people for free?

1614
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, one of the things I noticed was that people,

1615
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, we're just very confused by this idea. They

1616
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: had much more faith in the state's ability to um

1617
01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 1: assemble these infrastructures, and I just realized that was not

1618
01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: the way in which I was going to be able

1619
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 1: to help out. And so it's it's unfortunate, but a

1620
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:13,520
Speaker 1: lot of people have even though they have these instincts

1621
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 1: for sort of mutual aid and for this kind of

1622
01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 1: autonomous organized. This stuff lies just below the surface. Often

1623
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: they don't feel actually capable of it. And I think

1624
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 1: more than anything, what we've done with this project is

1625
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,719
Speaker 1: we've created a context and atmosphere in which things which

1626
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 1: people typically feel like they cannot do they suddenly realize

1627
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:34,280
Speaker 1: they can do again. It's just to come back to

1628
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,920
Speaker 1: that idea that most of us, you know, we live

1629
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: our lives, We sell our labor for wages. A few

1630
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:43,560
Speaker 1: people who own the means of production, you know, accumulate

1631
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:48,400
Speaker 1: profits and use them to manipulate the state for their

1632
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:52,760
Speaker 1: own purposes. Um. And this has an effect on us.

1633
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,960
Speaker 1: I mean, this has an effect on dulling our consciousness

1634
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: um And it's an extraordinary transfer asian in our social relations,

1635
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: in our sense of our own individuality when we do

1636
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: realize in these moments that we can be um subjects.

1637
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:13,559
Speaker 1: And so unfortunately my initial to try to stimulate some

1638
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: of this activity around testing didn't work out. Um But

1639
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: uh yeah, it just presents this recurring problem, which is

1640
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,960
Speaker 1: that people are not used to doing this kind of work.

1641
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: And Janine and I have found many many times that

1642
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:31,639
Speaker 1: you know, people are willing to come and use their

1643
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 1: hands and build something for a few hours. But then

1644
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:36,040
Speaker 1: what we try to do is get them involved. We say,

1645
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,640
Speaker 1: come to the meetings. You have decision making power. You

1646
01:30:39,680 --> 01:30:43,280
Speaker 1: can determine the trajectory of this work. And that's always

1647
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:47,040
Speaker 1: a very very difficult thing to be doing now, given

1648
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: the way that sort of people have been conditioned, um

1649
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,440
Speaker 1: right now. And I think that's something which is concerning

1650
01:30:53,560 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: because these uh traits of subservience and sort of submission

1651
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 1: and I think are incompatible. If there were a moment

1652
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,760
Speaker 1: of revolutionary rupture, I'm not sure that that would necessarily

1653
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 1: lead to any better sort of society. So I think

1654
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:13,400
Speaker 1: this stuff is deeply, deeply important to get people involved

1655
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: in this kind of work. I just want to go

1656
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 1: back to one of the things you said, Like you

1657
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: mentioned the community aspect and like those relationships, and I

1658
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: think that I know I've said this so many times,

1659
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:26,280
Speaker 1: both in my organizing space and even on this podcast today,

1660
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 1: but I truly have felt like building community is one

1661
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: of the most powerful ways to organize. And I think

1662
01:31:32,520 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: so many people in leftist spaces right now see organizing

1663
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,639
Speaker 1: as like a place where you just do work, um,

1664
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: And I actually think that that's a really terrible way

1665
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: to organize. I don't think that you're gonna have people

1666
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: come back, right, Like I don't think that UM, anyone

1667
01:31:46,600 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: is going to feel empowered. And you know, kind of

1668
01:31:49,320 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: through talking to a bra I've started reading this book

1669
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 1: on the Free Women of Spain and like thinking more

1670
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: about this also right and thinking about how they're talking

1671
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:01,640
Speaker 1: about community building and how they're talking about like community

1672
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 1: is believing in each other and like helping each other

1673
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 1: realize their full potential UM and as a way to

1674
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:12,320
Speaker 1: actually find equity and equality through like horizontalist structures, through

1675
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: allowing people to reach their full potential UM And I think,

1676
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, these are some of the politics that have

1677
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: informed what we're doing, that have informed how we're trying

1678
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 1: to allow people to grow. And so many people have

1679
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,120
Speaker 1: come to us and said, you know, these mass builds

1680
01:32:28,160 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: or these air purifier builds are like the highlight of

1681
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: my week or the highlight of my month, UM or

1682
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the like the way that you're structuring

1683
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 1: UM your distributions and thinking about how I can implement

1684
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: that into the work that we're doing UM And I

1685
01:32:41,479 --> 01:32:43,719
Speaker 1: think that those things are so powerful when you're able

1686
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,679
Speaker 1: to create these spaces again where people care for each other,

1687
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 1: and like you're saying, that goes a long way towards

1688
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: being able to mobilize um when there are disasters, to

1689
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: being able to mobilize around protests, to being able to

1690
01:32:56,320 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: mobilize around these ruptures because you have solid air that's

1691
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: built through relationships and that is allowing you to build power.

1692
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:07,280
Speaker 1: One of the things that that YouTube sort of getting

1693
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 1: it is that you know, there's it's hard in a

1694
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 1: lot of ways because yeah, I mean, the US has

1695
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,479
Speaker 1: and you baked into just to every single part of

1696
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: your life is there's going to be someone who is

1697
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: above you, who can order you and tell you what

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01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,760
Speaker 1: to do. And that's you know, that's that's that's that's

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01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:27,280
Speaker 1: the defining characteristic of life in the United States. And

1700
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: the second defining characteristic is if you don't do what

1701
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: they tell you, a person with the gun shows up

1702
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 1: and either beats you or haulds you away and slaves you.

1703
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: And you know that that that has these enormous sort

1704
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:42,400
Speaker 1: of psychological consequences that you know, create creates this culture

1705
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 1: where people you know, I mean, and that this goes

1706
01:33:45,160 --> 01:33:47,639
Speaker 1: along with there's there's this whole skilling process that that's

1707
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: been a sort of part of the broad arch of

1708
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: capitalism that you all trying to reverse. But even even yeah,

1709
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's like about even the people who have

1710
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: the skills just don't sort of they don't believe in

1711
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: our own autonomy in a way, and that that that

1712
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: becomes this incredibly powerful, you know, tool of of keeping

1713
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: people in line. But when that breaks and when when

1714
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 1: people start to see it, it can take time. But yeah,

1715
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,680
Speaker 1: you know that the the kinds of power in the

1716
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:17,680
Speaker 1: depth of the sort of organization that you build isn't

1717
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,120
Speaker 1: from that is incredible. And I think this is only

1718
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 1: everything is about the Spanish example that people tend to forget,

1719
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 1: which is that you know, okay, so that the c

1720
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 1: NT which is the sort of giant c n T.

1721
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:29,639
Speaker 1: F Ayes, the giants sort of anacaust the union that's

1722
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: that's running a lot of this stuff. You know, they're

1723
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 1: almost completely destroyed at the dream, like over the course

1724
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: of the spanis civil war, and they're you know, distruber

1725
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,120
Speaker 1: the Stalus, disruber the Fascist at the end. By the

1726
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: end of the war, you know that the Fascist control

1727
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:45,320
Speaker 1: Spain for about forty years. But even that, you know,

1728
01:34:45,360 --> 01:34:48,599
Speaker 1: I mean, they kill hundreds of thousands of people. They like,

1729
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,720
Speaker 1: there's massacres is you know, it turns into literally a

1730
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: fascist police state. But the moment that, the moment the

1731
01:34:57,320 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: fascist a tatorship collapses, the CNT reappears. And they even

1732
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: even in you know, in seventies Spain, in a place

1733
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,559
Speaker 1: that is in a lot of ways industrialized, they still

1734
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:10,000
Speaker 1: almost overthrow the government one more time. And you know,

1735
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're still around the sort of much

1736
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: reduced form to this day. But I mean, once, once

1737
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 1: you build that kind of power, right, even you know,

1738
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 1: even forty years of fascist dictatorship was not enough to

1739
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,760
Speaker 1: completely destroy it. It was you know, it was it

1740
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: was still there, sort of waiting underground, and then the

1741
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: moment there was a rupture reappears. This is a really

1742
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: important thing that you're bringing up, Chris, because I think

1743
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: it has um a lot to do with how we

1744
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:38,479
Speaker 1: just measure and talk about success on the left. Um,

1745
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: what you're describing, which you know, Spain is typically by

1746
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 1: many people on the left described as kind of a

1747
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 1: failed experiment. Oh it was nice, but it ultimately failed.

1748
01:35:47,960 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 1: So let's look at Russia, you know, Um, but uh,

1749
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: some people have argued and I think very correctly that

1750
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Once

1751
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 1: something like this happens, it's there that energies are there,

1752
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 1: they are not forgotten, they're not lost. And there's you know,

1753
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:11,679
Speaker 1: a very vigorous sort of left wing radical anarchist movement

1754
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 1: that's resonant um uh and very sort of consistent with

1755
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: with the earlier movement during the thirties. And UM, I

1756
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 1: think that's that's an extraordinarily important thing to think about.

1757
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,679
Speaker 1: We tend to measure these projects in these very sort

1758
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:31,639
Speaker 1: of linear sort of status terms, and we discovered, especially

1759
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: when we were doing work in d say, that a

1760
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: lot of people were trying to frame our own project

1761
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: in that way. You know, what are the demands that

1762
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: you're making, what are the what pressure are you exerting

1763
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: on the state? Um? And so there's these criteria that

1764
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: people use to evaluate kind of the efficacy or success

1765
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: of projects like these, And the Spanish example tells you,

1766
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 1: UM that the way that these things work is in

1767
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: fact much more complicated and much more interesting UM. And

1768
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 1: that by assembling these structures, these organizations, even if at

1769
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:04,680
Speaker 1: sometime or another they don't necessarily exist anymore, all of

1770
01:37:04,720 --> 01:37:07,920
Speaker 1: those people who participated in them are transformed, and the

1771
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: people that they interact with might then also be transformed.

1772
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: And so something like the c n T, which is,

1773
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,800
Speaker 1: you know, an extraordinary organization, the f AI is what

1774
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,679
Speaker 1: you know, really gave it the kind of anarchosymbical list

1775
01:37:21,120 --> 01:37:25,040
Speaker 1: content that defined the quality of that revolution. Um, that

1776
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:27,800
Speaker 1: never got lost, that never went away, even when it

1777
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 1: seems to have disappeared. UM. And so I think we

1778
01:37:30,760 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 1: have to learn to think about success in failure um,

1779
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, as we very simplistically use these terms very

1780
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,439
Speaker 1: very um differently, and this is something which informs our

1781
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:44,320
Speaker 1: own work when we're asking was this successful? Was this

1782
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: not successful? Um? I think that's a much more difficult

1783
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,559
Speaker 1: and complicated question than we often make it out to be. Yeah,

1784
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: and I think there's something very specific about you know,

1785
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:56,400
Speaker 1: I think we can go into sort of d s

1786
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 1: A factional politics for a little bit, but like I

1787
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,680
Speaker 1: think like in some ways you see this shallowness of

1788
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the approaches that was happening in the

1789
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:06,120
Speaker 1: d s A where you know, like if if you

1790
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:07,519
Speaker 1: if you look at a lot of how the sort

1791
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 1: of medicare for all stuff went or a lot of

1792
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 1: how the sort of Bernie campaigning stuff went. Right, it

1793
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,880
Speaker 1: was okay, you know, you have these you have these

1794
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 1: organizations that are like a mile wide and inch deep,

1795
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, they're they're capable of mobilizing people

1796
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: to vote one time, but you know, then they lose

1797
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: the election, and then what right, so that they don't

1798
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: they don't don't they don't have you know, there's they're

1799
01:38:26,439 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be this whole thing of like Bernie being

1800
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 1: an organizer in chief and this whole sort of plan

1801
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:33,639
Speaker 1: to use the sort of lists de developers and organize anything.

1802
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: And it's never happened. And you know, it didn't happen

1803
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways because it was just sort

1804
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 1: of they treated the whole process of building power as

1805
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 1: essentially a bureacratic exercise. Right, it's how many people are

1806
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: on this list, how many people are showing up to

1807
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 1: state like you know, and like how how many how

1808
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:51,760
Speaker 1: many how many doors have we knocked on? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1809
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 1: it's it's just you know, and that's the that's the

1810
01:38:53,439 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 1: other thing you're talking about with the fact that organizing

1811
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: spaces have to be more than just another just another

1812
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: place you go to work, right is if you know,

1813
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 1: if if all you're doing is just replicating these sort

1814
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: of beercrarect things, you're you're going to watch them fail

1815
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,599
Speaker 1: exactly the same way the burocracies do. Except you know,

1816
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 1: you're you're you're not the American State, you're not a

1817
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,960
Speaker 1: Democratic party. You don't have an infinite amount of money

1818
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 1: or the ability to sort of you know, you don't

1819
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:15,880
Speaker 1: you don't have the ability to call an arm to

1820
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:17,840
Speaker 1: enforce what you need to do, right, You don't. You

1821
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:22,080
Speaker 1: don't have you do you don't have the fallback of

1822
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,919
Speaker 1: bad methods of organizing, which is violence. And when that happens,

1823
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, and and suddenly and you can't confront your

1824
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 1: own failures because you're stuck in this, things just start

1825
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: to sort of implode, and you start to lose people,

1826
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: and you start to sort of, you know, you see

1827
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 1: this sort of stagnation and decline that I think, you know,

1828
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:44,519
Speaker 1: talking about, Yeah, without getting exactly too much into what's

1829
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: going on in East Bay, like that's that that, that's

1830
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: been everything I've seen out of it. Yeah, And I

1831
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 1: think to go kind of off of what a bro

1832
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: was talking about to kind of put this into terms

1833
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: of the work that we've been doing right, you know,

1834
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,800
Speaker 1: through the Mask builds UM. As they were winding down,

1835
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 1: weren't quite sure what our next project was, and you know,

1836
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:06,160
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about like how do we keep

1837
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:09,160
Speaker 1: this energy going, like we don't want to just lose this.

1838
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: And I also felt, you know, a certain amount of

1839
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: social obligation to you know, keep this community together that

1840
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:19,680
Speaker 1: had formed during the pandemic. And so we started a

1841
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:22,759
Speaker 1: book group kind of in the interim reading How Europe

1842
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,639
Speaker 1: Underdeveloped Africa by Walter Rodney, and you know, had around

1843
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,599
Speaker 1: thirty people show up to that UM And I think,

1844
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: as you know, you're talking about the importance of once

1845
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, these relationships are formed, once these ideologies start

1846
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: to percolate, that they don't just go away, right. These

1847
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,840
Speaker 1: people that we you know, brought into D s A

1848
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of ways these by D s A

1849
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:48,120
Speaker 1: came to join this book group and later came to

1850
01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: join the Air Purifier project. Despite the fact that it

1851
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: was more outside of D s A. A lot of

1852
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,360
Speaker 1: these people because of you know, what we had built

1853
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: and what we had created, continued to be such a

1854
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: huge part take on incredible leadership Roles um and you know,

1855
01:41:04,120 --> 01:41:06,800
Speaker 1: facilitate this project in a way that it would not

1856
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: at all look like what it does without you know,

1857
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 1: these people dedicating so much of their time and energy

1858
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 1: to this project kind of throughout the process. Yeah, and Chris,

1859
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: I'm going back to what you're saying earlier. I think,

1860
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: um M, I've seen a very interesting, um a kind

1861
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 1: of reflection come out of some of these organizations, and

1862
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 1: you see these different splits and sort of uh wings developing.

1863
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I Janine is a very sort

1864
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 1: of organic, radical and revolutionary who I've learned an enormous

1865
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 1: amount from. But I think my own trajectory was much

1866
01:41:46,240 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 1: more characteristic of what you described earlier, which is that

1867
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 1: you know, I put all my eggs in this basket.

1868
01:41:51,479 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, Bernie Sanders, like, that's that is, that

1869
01:41:55,000 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: is the that is the beginning of how we undergo

1870
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:02,479
Speaker 1: a sort of democratic social transformation. And then, you know,

1871
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 1: in a few snaps of the finger, even though I

1872
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,479
Speaker 1: had spent just like hundreds of hours just knocking doors

1873
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: and promising all these things to people who might you know,

1874
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: vote for him at their door, and and all this

1875
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:18,760
Speaker 1: stuff that and and and just sort of regurgitating all

1876
01:42:18,800 --> 01:42:24,360
Speaker 1: these slogans and and talking, you know, rapturously about these

1877
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 1: welfare programs. UM. I saw all that dissolved in a moment,

1878
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: and I realized that I didn't leave anything behind. And

1879
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:36,759
Speaker 1: there was, you know, in D s A and our chapter,

1880
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: you saw that there was a large group of people

1881
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: who just wanted to keep that flame burning and just

1882
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 1: say we'll do better next time, you know, we'll do

1883
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,559
Speaker 1: more work at the local level to elect representatives. But

1884
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 1: then there was another group of people, it was much

1885
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:54,320
Speaker 1: more disillusioned UM and really started wondering is this what

1886
01:42:54,360 --> 01:42:56,800
Speaker 1: we should be doing, or at least is this all

1887
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 1: that we should be doing? UM. And you see the

1888
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,840
Speaker 1: same thing coming out of a group like Sunrise, which

1889
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 1: whose primary sort of mandate is to just put pressure

1890
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:09,439
Speaker 1: onto Congress UM to urge the necessity of a green

1891
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 1: new Deal or whatever. And nevertheless, out of Sunrise, we've

1892
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: met people who, after the George Floyd protests, after the

1893
01:43:16,120 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: dissolution of the Bernie campaign, have been led down the

1894
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: same radical path as as some of us UM found

1895
01:43:23,600 --> 01:43:28,600
Speaker 1: ourselves traveling UM in in East by D s A.

1896
01:43:29,120 --> 01:43:31,400
Speaker 1: And they're the ones who have now come to help

1897
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:35,760
Speaker 1: our project, and you know, using whatever autonomy they have

1898
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: at the sort of UM hub level in Sunrise, because

1899
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Speaker 1: even though it's an organization with sort of paid staff

1900
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Speaker 1: and something of this bureaucracy right now in this moment,

1901
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Speaker 1: the individual little local hubs actually have a surprising amount

1902
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Speaker 1: of autonomy, and I really hope they're going to fight

1903
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:53,599
Speaker 1: for protect that autonomy. So they've been able to use

1904
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,519
Speaker 1: that autonomy to actually put a lot of effort towards

1905
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: raise money thousands of dollars our work at c HC

1906
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,640
Speaker 1: and come to our organizer meetings, become a part of

1907
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Speaker 1: the effort, and urge upon their own UM friends and

1908
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: co organizers and people they know in Sunrise to shift

1909
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,920
Speaker 1: the direction of their work of their branches towards doing

1910
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Speaker 1: more work like this. So there are these kind of

1911
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: interesting different uh splinterings that you see happening, which give

1912
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Speaker 1: me some hope that we're not just going to keep

1913
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Speaker 1: running the same tape over and over again. So one

1914
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Speaker 1: of the other interviews we did on this show was

1915
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Speaker 1: with a bunch of people who were working with the

1916
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Speaker 1: basically this giant effort in Atlanta to stop this like

1917
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Speaker 1: just atrocious sort of destruct this destruction of a bunch

1918
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Speaker 1: of forests to create this like weird teaching cops, how

1919
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Speaker 1: did you counter terrorism? Enormous academy thing that's being funded

1920
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Speaker 1: by a bunch of the adalytic corporations in Atlanta, And

1921
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Speaker 1: they were describing you know, they didn't talk about sort

1922
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 1: of the exacting process of solution, but you know, you

1923
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 1: saw they were like, you know, one of the people

1924
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Speaker 1: with the hair was from Sunrise, and they were also

1925
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: talking about how they pulled together. That's just like enormous

1926
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Speaker 1: coalition of a bunch of community groups that was you know,

1927
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Speaker 1: and like the their their initial goal was just they're

1928
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Speaker 1: trying to pressure the city council into stopping the into

1929
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Speaker 1: you know, not approving and that doesn't work. But you know,

1930
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Speaker 1: you know some of some of the other groups that

1931
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Speaker 1: were that were involved in this, you're talking about like okay,

1932
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Speaker 1: well you know that they're they're planning is like if

1933
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Speaker 1: this fails, we're gonna go stop it ourselves. And I

1934
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:34,719
Speaker 1: think that pivot right is one of the most crucial

1935
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Speaker 1: things that is happening right now, because you know, okay,

1936
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Speaker 1: if if you if you you know, if if you,

1937
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 1: if you you you pull out your like Polly, your

1938
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:44,200
Speaker 1: policy like policy space diagrams, right, like it's it's the

1939
01:45:44,240 --> 01:45:46,800
Speaker 1: United States. The policy that's enacted is the one that

1940
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: is the policy decided aby the sixtieth senator. And it's like, okay,

1941
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:53,640
Speaker 1: so you know, even even if if even if you're

1942
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 1: gonna try to do an electoral thing, right, you need six,

1943
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 1: you need sixty votes in the Senate, there is one

1944
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: arguably socialist senator and we've never elected another one, so

1945
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, and you're just looking at this right and

1946
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 1: it's like okay, like you know, we we elect like

1947
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:15,559
Speaker 1: to maybe three socialists in in the House every year,

1948
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: and if you know, if you continue at the same rate,

1949
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 1: they'll be like what like like two hundred years before

1950
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 1: we have a majority there. And it's like yeah, you know,

1951
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:25,439
Speaker 1: and at a certain points like yeah, I mean, we're

1952
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:28,160
Speaker 1: like we're not gonna be around because we'll be dead,

1953
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: but like most of most most of the stuff on

1954
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:33,120
Speaker 1: earth will also not be around because it would have

1955
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 1: been obliteral black climate change there, and you know, and

1956
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:37,880
Speaker 1: at some point you have to get to we're gonna

1957
01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:39,920
Speaker 1: have to do it ourselves because no one, no one

1958
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:42,200
Speaker 1: else is going to do it for us. And I

1959
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:44,880
Speaker 1: think the work you two have been doing is just incredible,

1960
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,320
Speaker 1: is just an incredible example of how that can actually

1961
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Speaker 1: happen and what what that looks like. Thank you. Yeah.

1962
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Speaker 1: I think that it is so important, and I think

1963
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Speaker 1: that that's one of the reasons that to me, it

1964
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,479
Speaker 1: was also so important to get all of these groups

1965
01:46:56,520 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 1: at these air purifier pips because I think oftentimes organizing

1966
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:05,160
Speaker 1: is so siloed and it really frustrates me, and people

1967
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 1: seem very like loyal at least I've found this in

1968
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,280
Speaker 1: East by d s A to like their particular organization,

1969
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 1: any other organization they don't even really want to talk

1970
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 1: about or they don't even know still exist. UM. And

1971
01:47:16,840 --> 01:47:19,280
Speaker 1: to me, like, if we can give people the tools

1972
01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 1: to organize, I don't care who their organizing, UM, but

1973
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 1: if we can also like have these groups communicate with

1974
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 1: each other, right, Like different groups are doing exactly the

1975
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: same thing. Right. We have the Ecosocialist group UM in

1976
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:36,720
Speaker 1: d s A, Right, you have Sunrise, you have the

1977
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:39,120
Speaker 1: I w W, and then you have the Labor Committee

1978
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 1: of d s A. And it's like sometimes there is

1979
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 1: cross communication, right, But to me, it never feels like

1980
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 1: it's quite enough. It never feels like we're really all

1981
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: working on this or we're really all in it together,

1982
01:47:48,439 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: and I think we really should be, because, like you're saying,

1983
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: like there's kind of a ticking clock. We only have

1984
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,120
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time to actually make the changes

1985
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:58,960
Speaker 1: that we want to see, and when we're not willing

1986
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,880
Speaker 1: to actually work with each other and communicate with each other,

1987
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 1: things are not going to happen as quickly. UM. And

1988
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 1: so being able to have, like, you know, a table

1989
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: of people assembling purifiers from d S a Sunrise tank

1990
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 1: right and they're all talking about the organizing work that

1991
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 1: they're doing and sharing stories and strategies, so that we're

1992
01:48:18,120 --> 01:48:21,719
Speaker 1: not all constantly reinventing the wheel. That actually working together

1993
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 1: on this I think is so so valuable. And this

1994
01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:26,920
Speaker 1: is something that we've seen. You know, one of our

1995
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:31,240
Speaker 1: friends who's helping lead one of the tank locals has

1996
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:33,200
Speaker 1: come to a number of our events and was telling

1997
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 1: us how he's actually tried to bring things that he's

1998
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,599
Speaker 1: seen that we're doing into his own local and we've

1999
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:43,360
Speaker 1: heard this in other contexts as well. So things spread

2000
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 1: and that's I think a really important thing that um,

2001
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, especially because of Janine's Um, you know, just

2002
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 1: just uh attempts to try to get all these groups

2003
01:48:55,600 --> 01:49:00,000
Speaker 1: together into one place to communicate, to build relationships. Um,

2004
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: we're now seeing what we've built sort of emanating elsewhere.

2005
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:06,519
Speaker 1: And we're also learning a lot from all these different

2006
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 1: people in groups who come to our builds and then

2007
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:12,599
Speaker 1: become organizers in the effort. And you know, to mention

2008
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: someone like you know, Gerald Jennine referred to earlier, who

2009
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:25,080
Speaker 1: is this uh wonderful UM Cantanker is uh ex black panther,

2010
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, who has such an enormous history of experience.

2011
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:31,639
Speaker 1: For him to give us that historical perspective for everything

2012
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: that we're doing, um has been an enormous boost of confidence,

2013
01:49:35,760 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 1: and it's allowed us to focus and you know, just

2014
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:41,560
Speaker 1: to reiterate what she said earlier, we were really depressed

2015
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,360
Speaker 1: when we went out and we were talking to people

2016
01:49:43,400 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 1: in West Oakland and East Oakland and everyone was telling

2017
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: us we're gonna come, Yeah, we'll show up, we'll be there.

2018
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:51,240
Speaker 1: And then, you know, while many other people showed up

2019
01:49:51,240 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 1: from Sunrise, D, S, A, C, HD elsewhere, none of

2020
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:56,799
Speaker 1: those people showed up. And we said, Gerald, they're not coming,

2021
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 1: what's going on? And he said, you know, keep going,

2022
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: keep trying, keep doing it, do not give up. Do

2023
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 1: not judge from that one experience. This is really hard work.

2024
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 1: And these people have had the door shot on them

2025
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 1: over and over and over again, and they're tired, and

2026
01:50:15,160 --> 01:50:17,960
Speaker 1: it's the weekend. But you keep doing it and they

2027
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 1: will come. And then the next time they came, we

2028
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,720
Speaker 1: may not have gone there again had it not been

2029
01:50:22,760 --> 01:50:27,440
Speaker 1: for Gerald bringing in this enormous um breath of experience

2030
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 1: to share with us. You know, at the end of

2031
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: our previous bill, there's this there's this quote that I

2032
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:36,000
Speaker 1: remember from Frey who was it was one of the

2033
01:50:36,040 --> 01:50:37,560
Speaker 1: one of the people who've been heavily involved in the

2034
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 1: Egyptian Revolution. She Dousan eleven had this quote and she's

2035
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, I should be doing this for decades, right,

2036
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, because you have a protest and

2037
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 1: if if a hundred people show up, you're happy, and

2038
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:49,720
Speaker 1: if a hundred people show up, you're depressed. And then

2039
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 1: one day, eight hundred thousand people show up and you

2040
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:55,120
Speaker 1: kind of just forgot that could happen. And yeah, I

2041
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 1: mean that that is something that you know, Yeah, like

2042
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: organizing is not easy. There you're you're gonna spend a

2043
01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: lot of time like not winning. You're gonna spent a

2044
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,720
Speaker 1: lot of time feeling like you're barely treading water. There's

2045
01:51:06,720 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of time where you know, nothing

2046
01:51:09,240 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 1: works and everything seems to be falling apart. But you know,

2047
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 1: if you keep pushing, people show up and you know,

2048
01:51:17,280 --> 01:51:20,800
Speaker 1: and suddenly the regime is like taking like you know,

2049
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 1: trying trying to catch planes out of the country. And yeah,

2050
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 1: and you know, and you get to that that CLR.

2051
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,360
Speaker 1: James line about how the ruling classes not defeeding until

2052
01:51:29,360 --> 01:51:31,600
Speaker 1: it's ruling until it's running for its lives. But you

2053
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: know they do run for their lives. This is the

2054
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:37,120
Speaker 1: thing that happens. Yeah, and you know, if if we

2055
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 1: do this together, we can get there totally. And I think,

2056
01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, what a bar saying is so true. And

2057
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:47,080
Speaker 1: we also, you know, in doing these distributions, talk to

2058
01:51:47,120 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: people and I literally would say, like what, we'll get

2059
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:52,719
Speaker 1: people to show up, right, there's kind of like honesty

2060
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:56,000
Speaker 1: in these conversations of like, you know, this is what

2061
01:51:56,040 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: we're trying to do, Like there's a reciprocal relationship here again,

2062
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,360
Speaker 1: like help us understand Also, like what we need to

2063
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,880
Speaker 1: do in order to make sure that the reciprocal relationship

2064
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 1: is actually realized and actually happening. UM And I think

2065
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 1: that that was kind of an exciting moment of like

2066
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 1: having people have some autonomy and like say and like,

2067
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, they know this community better than we do, right,

2068
01:52:18,240 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 1: they know like how people are going to show up

2069
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:24,519
Speaker 1: and how maybe they won't. But Chris, Uh, just to

2070
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: bring it back to what you were saying, I think

2071
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 1: describing the kind of nonlinear trajectory of uh popular movements

2072
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 1: in history is something that we try to keep always

2073
01:52:36,120 --> 01:52:39,760
Speaker 1: in our minds. Um, things may begin small, things may

2074
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:42,639
Speaker 1: seem small, even when you study the examples in Spain

2075
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:45,760
Speaker 1: of sort of the groups of people who formed sort

2076
01:52:45,800 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 1: of the early f AI who were just sort of

2077
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:51,040
Speaker 1: discussing these ideas around the fire before they tried to

2078
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:53,880
Speaker 1: sort of infiltrate the CNT, and then this became the

2079
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 1: sort of predominant UM mood and sort of ideology that

2080
01:52:58,320 --> 01:53:01,760
Speaker 1: that that that characterized the CNT, which then you know,

2081
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:04,800
Speaker 1: spread out and sort of characterized the Spanish Revolution at

2082
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:09,240
Speaker 1: large and massive numbers millions of people, you know. Um

2083
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 1: And and just seeing what happened with the George Floyd

2084
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 1: protests and studying the examples of you know, Paris in

2085
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 1: where it at first just seems like small groups of

2086
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: students and then you know, just a few days and

2087
01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:24,799
Speaker 1: weeks later, you know there's thousands and thousands and thousands

2088
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,120
Speaker 1: and thousands of workers, um, you know, who are out

2089
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: literally just pulling out cobblestones from the street, you know,

2090
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 1: up against the police. And and the way that these

2091
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 1: things happen is very unpredictable. And I think that's also

2092
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 1: a very important thing to keep in mind as we're

2093
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 1: trying to evaluate, you know, what we're doing in a

2094
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:48,479
Speaker 1: given moment. Yeah, I think, I think I think that's

2095
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,800
Speaker 1: that's that's a very good note to end on. It's

2096
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, every the struggle we have embarked in is

2097
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 1: an incredibly difficult one, and we're not going to know

2098
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:03,519
Speaker 1: how it ends for a long long time. But that

2099
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,120
Speaker 1: doesn't yeah, you know, that doesn't necessarily means it ends badly.

2100
01:54:06,160 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 1: And the kind of resiliency we can build is incredibly

2101
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:12,640
Speaker 1: deep and incredibly powerful. Okay, plugs time, Where do you

2102
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 1: too want people to go? What do you want people

2103
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,040
Speaker 1: to know? And yeah, we can we can link stuff

2104
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 1: if you want to send it to us in the

2105
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:23,599
Speaker 1: in the in the chat chat, we can we can,

2106
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:26,040
Speaker 1: we can link stuff. We can we can we can

2107
01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 1: link stuff. In the description of this episode, this is

2108
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: why we have editors. Yeah, UM, I think definitely like

2109
01:54:37,200 --> 01:54:41,400
Speaker 1: our social media UM so Twitter and Instagram is see Humanity,

2110
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 1: see UM for folks to be able to donate UM,

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Speaker 1: to visit our website, to be able to plug in.

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Speaker 1: If they are in the Bay area and want to

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01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,600
Speaker 1: get involved, they can find ways to do that through

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01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: those social media channels. You know, they can message us

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01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 1: UM and then our fundraiser a bar. I don't know

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01:54:57,440 --> 01:54:59,240
Speaker 1: if we should just send the link or what the

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01:54:59,240 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: best way to do at it. If you go to

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Speaker 1: a Common Humanity collective dot org, there's a donate button

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Speaker 1: which leads to the fundraisers. You can find it also,

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01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:08,120
Speaker 1: so if you if you go there, you can see

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01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:09,960
Speaker 1: how they You can see instructions are how to make

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01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:13,200
Speaker 1: the fans and they are so cool, like they're awesome,

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01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 1: it's it's sweet, it's so go do go do that

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01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,360
Speaker 1: too because it's sick. And there's also instructions for how

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01:55:19,400 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 1: you can make them as well. And we hope people

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01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:25,520
Speaker 1: do this elsewhere please reach out to us. We want

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01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:29,160
Speaker 1: to not be the only ones doing and so this

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01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 1: is why we've tried to just put everything online that

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Speaker 1: others can replicate this model. And this is why we're

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01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,040
Speaker 1: coming on a show like this and going into so

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01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 1: much detail into our history just that uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't have to keep reinventing the wheel. I think,

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01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, a bar and I have learned so much

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Speaker 1: from this project, UM, and a lot of it really

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01:55:48,600 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 1: did feel like reinventing the wheel, which is unfortunate because

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Speaker 1: I know that you know, mutually it has been done elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: But with the organizers that we were talking to, a

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Speaker 1: lot of the things that we were doing, we were

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Speaker 1: having to kind of start from scratch. And at least

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Speaker 1: my goal is like we're both very accessible people, like

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01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:05,400
Speaker 1: if there are questions, you know, to be able to

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01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: reach out so that we can you know, explain our

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01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 1: experience to other folks, UM and talk through you know.

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Speaker 1: Our relationship with Sunrise started because they heard about the

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Speaker 1: mutual aid work that we were doing and they said,

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Speaker 1: we want to do that also, and we're like great,

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01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:19,840
Speaker 1: and you know a bra are co organizer Joe and

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01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I and this woman from Sunrise met in a park

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Speaker 1: and eat dinner and just talked about mutulateing, you know,

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Speaker 1: the pitfalls that had happened and what went well and

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01:56:28,920 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 1: how we could do it in the future. And then

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01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:33,920
Speaker 1: like this beautiful collaboration began like a bar was talking

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01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,680
Speaker 1: about so um, I think, you know, we're really happy

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Speaker 1: to talk about where things have gone awry and what

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01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 1: we've learned from this project and thankfully at this point

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01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 1: to like what successes we've had. So yeah, go go everyone,

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Speaker 1: go go go go find them, go out of your communities,

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Speaker 1: go do this theirselves, and yeah, go go go get

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Speaker 1: us another Spanish revolution. We need another one. Yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank thank you to much for joining us. I s

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Speaker 1: agread Chris. This has been such an huge pleasure for

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01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:09,200
Speaker 1: talking to you. We've we've been covered by a lot

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01:57:09,240 --> 01:57:12,720
Speaker 1: of places, but never quite like just thank you so

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01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:15,120
Speaker 1: much for doing this, and thank you. Such an honor

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Speaker 1: to be here and so much fun to talk with

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Speaker 1: you both. Thank you so much for having us and yeah,

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Speaker 1: so this this has been it could happen here pod.

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Speaker 1: You can find us at Happened Here Pod, on Twitter, Instagram,

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01:57:26,520 --> 01:57:29,480
Speaker 1: and at cool Zone. For just the rest of the

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Speaker 1: stuff that we do. Alright, bye, everyone, whats critical my

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Speaker 1: race theories? UM? Well, all right, that's not a great introduction,

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Speaker 1: but it's not a great time in America. I'm Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: This is it could happen here with me tonight as

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Speaker 1: often but not always is is Garrison Davis UH and

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Speaker 1: our good friend Christopher Wong. Uh. We're here to talk about,

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Speaker 1: um a bunch of stuff. Largely, we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: increasing and escalating attacks on school boards and attempts to

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Speaker 1: take over and dominate school boards by far right activists.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of this is centered around critical race theory,

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Speaker 1: a lot of it centered around vaccine mandates. It all

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Speaker 1: kind of blends together like a good gumbo UM or

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Speaker 1: like fascist syncretism UM. One of the things that I

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Speaker 1: would say, that's that's kind of most relevant right now

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Speaker 1: as we're recording this. I don't think the race has

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Speaker 1: been officially called, but it's become an increasingly obvious that

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Speaker 1: UH Terry mccauliffe has lost his re election bid and

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Speaker 1: the uh new governor of Virginia will be a Republican who,

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Speaker 1: among other things, as like homist and based a huge

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Speaker 1: amount of his campaign on banning critical race theory and

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Speaker 1: specifically like banning books and ship from being taught in

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Speaker 1: Virginia schools. Um and this is all the result of

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Speaker 1: a pretty far reaching, um and and complex and honestly

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Speaker 1: pretty pretty scary campaign. And we're gonna talk about that tonight, Garrison.

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Speaker 1: Do you wanna do you wanna take it from here? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'll do a little bit then we can move over

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Speaker 1: to telegram. But yeah, you like the getty lee of this,

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Speaker 1: So so this is your drum solo time. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: we decided we needed to do an episode on this

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01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 1: sinn and later when a few weeks ago a large

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Speaker 1: number of of of of anti Vacts and anti mask

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Speaker 1: protesters took over a school board meeting in uh Portland.

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Speaker 1: And the reason why that is special in it of

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Speaker 1: itself because this has been happening across the country for

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Speaker 1: a long time. But that but the fact that they

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Speaker 1: were able to overwhelm and shut down an entire school

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Speaker 1: board meeting with hundreds of people, like invading this building

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Speaker 1: then shutting this down with just the essurement of like

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Speaker 1: power that the people had there was it was It's

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Speaker 1: notable because it's like it's it's a liberal ish city, right,

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Speaker 1: It's that's generally how people view it as. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we're used to this happening, you know, more like southern

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Speaker 1: states and states that are more like overwhelmingly conservative. But

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Speaker 1: when like a Portland school board me to get shut down,

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Speaker 1: people were like, oh wow, this is like extra important

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Speaker 1: because this is showing that it's not this isn't isolated

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Speaker 1: to like quote unquote red states, right, this can this

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Speaker 1: can spread out everywhere now, you know. With Portland it

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Speaker 1: was it was a mix of like hippie types who

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Speaker 1: are like anti vax but there was a good deal

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Speaker 1: of like actual proud boys there as well. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: it was partly organized through an organization run by the

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Speaker 1: Bundies UM, and there were some direct ties and they

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Speaker 1: helped to advertise it. So it's there's a lot of UM.

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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the things that was so unsettling

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Speaker 1: is that a lot of these people were not Portland's

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Speaker 1: resident but they were showing up and we're able to

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Speaker 1: effectively like take over and dominate at Portland's school board meeting.

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Speaker 1: UM in part because law enforcement is never ever willing

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Speaker 1: to do anything against There's there's a there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of a lot of points here, so like, yeah, one

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Speaker 1: of it being is like these like these big mobs

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Speaker 1: are definitely able to benefit from being you know, white,

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Speaker 1: mostly middle class like parents and stuff, or maybe not

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Speaker 1: maybe not not even parents. They're gonna be white middle

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Speaker 1: class um, which means they can like storm buildings and

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Speaker 1: shut stuff down without any real consequence because police aren't

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Speaker 1: police and security aren't really going to get involved that much,

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Speaker 1: and the like the libs are not gonna like really

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Speaker 1: be pushing back on this in any kind of me

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Speaker 1: They'll just make fun of these people if they misspell

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Speaker 1: something on a sign. Yeah. So, like basically the idea

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Speaker 1: for this episode as we want to talk about why

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Speaker 1: and how school boards have become kind of the new

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Speaker 1: front lines for pushing far right stuff into the culturals

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Speaker 1: like guyst because they've really become the new, the new,

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Speaker 1: the new like space that people on the right are

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Speaker 1: able to push things that are that are more that

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Speaker 1: are more extreme, and push things that are gonna you know,

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Speaker 1: hurt you know, kids mostly m So looking for this,

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Speaker 1: we put together a decent amount of stuff from organizing

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Speaker 1: chats for how basically the right is talking about these

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Speaker 1: things and how they're trying to organize it. UM. And

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Speaker 1: one really interesting kind of thing of not which will

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Speaker 1: come up later in the telegram stuff, is that in

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Speaker 1: I think it was when was it It was late September, UM,

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Speaker 1: the National school Boards Associations like that, the National school

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Speaker 1: Board Union UM put in a request for federal assistance

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Speaker 1: to stop ongoing threats and acts of violence against UH

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Speaker 1: school boards like meeting members and people president at school

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Speaker 1: boards because this has been ramping up. You know this

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Speaker 1: that this was happening the last last school season as well,

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Speaker 1: but really the past few months, the the prevalence and

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Speaker 1: the number of these types of like mobs based overtaking

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Speaker 1: these school boards has become so much more common, UM

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Speaker 1: that the school Board Union put in like sent like

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Speaker 1: a letter directly to the president saying, hey, we kind

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Speaker 1: of need help here. UM. So it's it's not just

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Speaker 1: it's this is this is a problem that's recognized widely

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Speaker 1: even among people like on school boards, because yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: getting like carasped, they're getting death threats. UM. This is

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Speaker 1: becoming like unsafe to hold school board meetings. UM. And

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Speaker 1: whether or not you like our modern school system or not,

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Speaker 1: the resulting effect to this is that it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: hurting like kids. Like, like, it's a good whether it

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Speaker 1: be through like COVID, whether it be through teaching them

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Speaker 1: racist like curriculums, or whether it be to you know,

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Speaker 1: making trans kids have make their lives a whole lot harder. Right,

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Speaker 1: all of this kind of stuff is gonna be worse

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Speaker 1: by this happening. So it is something definitely worth caring about. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's worth caring about all. Like, it's clearly an attempt

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Speaker 1: in order to to to arrest the kind of progressive

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02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 1: tilt that that society has gone through. All of this

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02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:14,120
Speaker 1: is a reaction both too. I mean, the religious right

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02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 1: was initially, more than anything, a reaction to desegregation and

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02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:20,760
Speaker 1: the women's liberation movement UM. And what we're seeing now

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02:04:20,840 --> 02:04:24,280
Speaker 1: is a reaction to primarily the gains that LGBT people

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Speaker 1: have made in the last like twenty years, including the

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Speaker 1: legalization of gay marriage UM. And so the ultimate goal

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Speaker 1: of all of this is to stop progress towards racial justice,

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Speaker 1: to roll back gay rights, UM, to enshrine white supremacy

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Speaker 1: using violence. And that's why that's why all of these

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Speaker 1: different school board meetings, like the the threat of violence

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Speaker 1: from these people is a constant factor. Um, there's regular

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Speaker 1: discussion of it. There's like, I mean, that's why the

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Speaker 1: Proud Boys are showing up is to be a of

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Speaker 1: like is to be a death squad. Um, you know,

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02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:01,920
Speaker 1: a little precursor death squad. They're not quite willing to

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02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:05,360
Speaker 1: start start pulling triggers yet, but they want people to

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02:05:05,440 --> 02:05:07,680
Speaker 1: know that it's possible. They want to scare people away

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Speaker 1: from getting involved in local politics unless they adhere to

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Speaker 1: a very specific far right political ideas. It's working because

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Speaker 1: a lot of these school boards are getting these school

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Speaker 1: meanings are just getting shut down, like they just can't

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Speaker 1: have them in person or sometimes not at all because

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Speaker 1: they'll just they'll like zoom bom. Like it's not like

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Speaker 1: they're just shutting down so they cannot take place or

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Speaker 1: at school by members are afraid to go out in

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Speaker 1: public because these people are are going to hurt them. Um.

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Speaker 1: And this is like a lot of people involved in

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Speaker 1: this are maybe not themselves like Proud Boys, like they

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're they're not super like they're individually are

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Speaker 1: more kind of regular Republicans in these states. But the

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Speaker 1: reason why it gets so extreme and accelerate so quickly

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Speaker 1: is mostly because of how these organizing efforts take place,

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Speaker 1: and also because of stuff like Fox News and news

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02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:56,720
Speaker 1: Max and Ona and o An like pushing people further

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Speaker 1: right in the past few years, but like specifically the

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Speaker 1: method of organized zing on apps like Telegram and Facebook groups.

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Speaker 1: This this is, this is the thing common on the Internet,

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Speaker 1: but like it rewards accelerationism, it rewards the most extreme,

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Speaker 1: takes those the ones to get shared the most. So

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Speaker 1: even if you know this is just some mom in

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Speaker 1: her forties who's not a proud boy by any means

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Speaker 1: she's she still poses a threat in this in this

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Speaker 1: way because she's poo boosting this same rhetoric and as

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Speaker 1: part of these same organizing channels that are full of

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Speaker 1: like actual fascists. Uh, there's a decent amount of very

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Speaker 1: popular posts from very popular channels I pulled that talks

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Speaker 1: about the Jews in the school boards and we'll we'll

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Speaker 1: get to that kind of stuff shortly. Um, So there, Robert,

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Speaker 1: do you wanna start on the telegram with the whole

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Speaker 1: the whole school board telegram channel that is popped up

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Speaker 1: by no means the most popular to Telegram channel for organizing,

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Speaker 1: but it is specifically dedicated to school boards. And because

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Speaker 1: of how Telegram works, this channel gets it around a

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Speaker 1: lot in other much bigger channels. Yeah, and and just

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02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:06,080
Speaker 1: so you know, So the way Telegram works. If you're

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Speaker 1: a decent person um and you don't live in a

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02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:13,320
Speaker 1: country where Telegram is a legitimately good choice for you,

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02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:15,920
Speaker 1: there some areas where it's perfectly normal social media network,

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02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,280
Speaker 1: but for the most part, in the United States it's

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02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:22,320
Speaker 1: used by fascists and weirdos um. So if you're fortunate

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02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:24,800
Speaker 1: enough to not use Telegram, the way it works is

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02:07:24,840 --> 02:07:28,280
Speaker 1: you have open groups and closed groups. Open groups are

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02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:31,680
Speaker 1: anyone can view them. Uh, you don't expose yourself by

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02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:36,400
Speaker 1: looking at them, and people largely just kind of post images, memes,

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02:07:36,520 --> 02:07:38,960
Speaker 1: videos and then can comment on them. And a lot

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02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:41,480
Speaker 1: of what's posted in any given Telegram channel is shared

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02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:44,480
Speaker 1: from another Telegram channel. So for people like Garrison and

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02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:47,520
Speaker 1: I who research extremism, one of the uses of telegram

2351
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:50,440
Speaker 1: is that by looking at what's being shared in one

2352
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 1: group from other groups, you can actually start to build

2353
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:55,920
Speaker 1: networks and see, oh, there's affinity between these two groups.

2354
02:07:56,000 --> 02:07:59,880
Speaker 1: Because this group may claim that they're just concerned conservatives.

2355
02:08:00,040 --> 02:08:03,280
Speaker 1: They're sharing all of this all of this content from

2356
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:05,960
Speaker 1: this far right you know Pepe group that's also sharing

2357
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,280
Speaker 1: a lot of neo Nazi content, and you can see

2358
02:08:08,320 --> 02:08:10,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of affinity between the other thing that

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02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:13,200
Speaker 1: happens is that these channels that are getting big and

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02:08:13,240 --> 02:08:15,400
Speaker 1: being you and you're being used for this kind of

2361
02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:18,280
Speaker 1: like right wing organizing who present themselves as more just

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02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 1: like regular conservative channels. If you I've been in this

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02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:24,360
Speaker 1: channel for like years at this point, and this channel

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02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:26,880
Speaker 1: used to be a like proud Boy channel. They just

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02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:30,200
Speaker 1: changed their name. Like It's like that happens all the time,

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02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:32,440
Speaker 1: where a lot of the big organizing channels used to

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Speaker 1: be like openly violent organizing, like for different mobs to

2368
02:08:36,120 --> 02:08:40,200
Speaker 1: go beat up people, and now they've rebranded to make

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02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:44,040
Speaker 1: them appeal more to like just regular Trump voters. That

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Speaker 1: is the other thing that happens all the time. And

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Speaker 1: one of the main channels that we're talking about today

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02:08:48,200 --> 02:08:50,880
Speaker 1: is one of these one of these channels that used

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02:08:50,880 --> 02:08:52,800
Speaker 1: to be a Proud Boy thing and is now just

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02:08:53,040 --> 02:08:56,480
Speaker 1: kind of right wing organizing in general. Yeah, and it's um,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just gonna get into it. So actually,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm to get into before I start

2377
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:06,360
Speaker 1: talking about fascists on telegram trying to destroy the concept

2378
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:10,200
Speaker 1: of democracy. You know what else is trying to destroy

2379
02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:13,840
Speaker 1: the concept of democracy. That's right, Chris, products and services,

2380
02:09:14,080 --> 02:09:17,800
Speaker 1: that's right. Oh my god, we are just having a

2381
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:20,520
Speaker 1: great time here. So let's talk about stand for Students,

2382
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,040
Speaker 1: which is a telegram channel that Garrison pointed out to me,

2383
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:27,920
Speaker 1: and I spent more time than I really wanted to. Yeah,

2384
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:30,960
Speaker 1: that's never, never, never a good idea. So the stuff

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02:09:31,000 --> 02:09:33,600
Speaker 1: in here, this is number one, on the surface, a

2386
02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:36,160
Speaker 1: much more moderate group. These people are not ranting about

2387
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:40,920
Speaker 1: like Jews destroying civilization or the need to like execute

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02:09:42,280 --> 02:09:46,240
Speaker 1: black people or something like that. Um, the stuff in

2389
02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 1: here runs the gamut from like one of the first

2390
02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:52,760
Speaker 1: things I found was a clip from Jesse Ventura, wrestler,

2391
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:56,680
Speaker 1: predator star and former governor once had a conspiracy TV show.

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02:09:56,960 --> 02:10:00,400
Speaker 1: There's a popular clip in anti vaccine Circle is from

2393
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:03,640
Speaker 1: it where he's talking with Alex Jones about the Builderberg

2394
02:10:03,640 --> 02:10:05,600
Speaker 1: group and stuff. So I found that in there, which

2395
02:10:05,640 --> 02:10:10,600
Speaker 1: is like pretty garden variety, like early two thousands conspiracy nonsense.

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02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:13,960
Speaker 1: Definitely like, oh yeah, these are like older people like

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02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't think what mostly boomers, but definitely gen X

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02:10:17,080 --> 02:10:19,200
Speaker 1: and stuff like folks who were in like their forties

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02:10:19,240 --> 02:10:21,760
Speaker 1: and fifties. Um, this is the kind of ship that

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02:10:21,800 --> 02:10:24,080
Speaker 1: they would have been like exposed to in their late

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02:10:24,080 --> 02:10:28,360
Speaker 1: twenties and whatnot. Um. One of the posters I found

2402
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:32,120
Speaker 1: commenting on that video said, quote aired onto TV in two,

2403
02:10:32,120 --> 02:10:34,440
Speaker 1: that's a nine about a plan for depopulation through a

2404
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:38,160
Speaker 1: virus and injections. Too much of a coincidence, and another

2405
02:10:38,200 --> 02:10:40,880
Speaker 1: responded to this. I was never a huge Alex Jones fan,

2406
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:43,560
Speaker 1: but he was right all along. My kids were born

2407
02:10:43,600 --> 02:10:45,920
Speaker 1: in the early eighties and I refused their vaxes way

2408
02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:48,320
Speaker 1: back then. Unfortunately, one of them is now a late

2409
02:10:48,360 --> 02:10:51,640
Speaker 1: thirties CNN jabbed zombie and has infected my grandkids with

2410
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:58,360
Speaker 1: this inspiric experimental treatment. I'm done, um, which is silly,

2411
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:01,000
Speaker 1: but it also keeps you in like the are it's

2412
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:02,760
Speaker 1: it's what you see a lot with Q and on right.

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02:11:02,760 --> 02:11:06,840
Speaker 1: It's these folks who are getting brought in onto telegraph. Yeah,

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02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,880
Speaker 1: it's great. It's terrible that this person, this lady who

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02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:14,120
Speaker 1: has to be what in her fifties sixties, My parents

2416
02:11:14,200 --> 02:11:18,800
Speaker 1: age the boomer um is on Telegram, which two years

2417
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:22,040
Speaker 1: ago even was the only Americans you were would find

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02:11:22,040 --> 02:11:26,600
Speaker 1: were like extremely online nazi weirdos. Um. Yeah, I remember

2419
02:11:26,640 --> 02:11:29,200
Speaker 1: doing like old training. It's like, yeah, I was like

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02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:32,200
Speaker 1: over over two years ago, and Telegram was nowhere near

2421
02:11:32,240 --> 02:11:35,680
Speaker 1: this prevallem for like regular organizing. And this is a

2422
02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:39,040
Speaker 1: result of of the d platforming of folks in the

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02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:41,920
Speaker 1: wake of the capital attack. But anyway, we don't need

2424
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:43,840
Speaker 1: to get too much into that right now, So I

2425
02:11:43,880 --> 02:11:45,280
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit more about some of

2426
02:11:45,320 --> 02:11:47,840
Speaker 1: the things folks are sharing in this in this channel,

2427
02:11:47,840 --> 02:11:50,080
Speaker 1: which is again kind of like I'm gonna guess everyone

2428
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:53,680
Speaker 1: here is kind of late thirties to maybe sixties, fifties, sixties.

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Speaker 1: There's one local story that it was actually very popular

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02:11:57,800 --> 02:12:00,520
Speaker 1: among a lot of like lefty folks on Twitter of

2431
02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:03,080
Speaker 1: this like group of dads who showed up to stop

2432
02:12:03,120 --> 02:12:05,520
Speaker 1: there's like an epidemic of fighting in their school or something,

2433
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:07,600
Speaker 1: and they showed up to do like a community policing

2434
02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:10,560
Speaker 1: or a community self defense sort of thing. It was

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02:12:10,560 --> 02:12:13,080
Speaker 1: celebrated by a lot of folks because it was like, oh, hey,

2436
02:12:13,120 --> 02:12:15,680
Speaker 1: this is you know, a way that communities can protect

2437
02:12:15,720 --> 02:12:18,360
Speaker 1: themselves without cops YadA YadA, YadA, which is a nice

2438
02:12:18,440 --> 02:12:23,680
Speaker 1: thing to see. It was also celebrated um by these people, um,

2439
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:26,640
Speaker 1: by by people in this channel, and specifically the clip

2440
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:29,240
Speaker 1: of the news story covering this I found was from

2441
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:33,040
Speaker 1: the Pepe Lives Matter channel, which is, um, you know,

2442
02:12:33,120 --> 02:12:36,520
Speaker 1: an alt right channel like it. Again, as we were

2443
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:39,520
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, the Pepe Lives isn't all like the

2444
02:12:39,560 --> 02:12:43,240
Speaker 1: way full Nazi pilled stuff, um, but it shares a

2445
02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:45,839
Speaker 1: lot of stuff from the channels that are straight up Nazis,

2446
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:48,160
Speaker 1: and so you can you can see already this like

2447
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:51,480
Speaker 1: lady in her sixties who's probably was some pretty normal

2448
02:12:51,480 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 1: boomer three years ago, is now two steps away from

2449
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:59,600
Speaker 1: Adam often type motherfucker's that's just the way telegram works, um,

2450
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:03,000
Speaker 1: and all kind of bonding over again, this is not

2451
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:05,560
Speaker 1: a bad story what these local dads did, but it

2452
02:13:05,640 --> 02:13:08,440
Speaker 1: very much ties into this idea of like we gotta

2453
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:10,960
Speaker 1: get all these parents together and take action in the

2454
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,760
Speaker 1: real world, like and that's gonna that's gonna go towards

2455
02:13:13,800 --> 02:13:16,080
Speaker 1: taking action against the people you don't want showing up

2456
02:13:16,080 --> 02:13:22,000
Speaker 1: in your school, meaning like black children and like children, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2457
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:25,839
Speaker 1: community self defense is great, but also it really depends

2458
02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:30,360
Speaker 1: on what community is defending itself from what. UM. So

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02:13:30,560 --> 02:13:33,120
Speaker 1: that's uh, we'll probably we'll have to talk about that

2460
02:13:33,160 --> 02:13:36,400
Speaker 1: more at some point in the future. But Yeah, Another

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02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:39,000
Speaker 1: thing I found on that channel was video this. This

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02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:41,760
Speaker 1: I dug into a bit. So there was this video

2463
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:44,440
Speaker 1: that was claimed to be an ad. It was, in

2464
02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:47,680
Speaker 1: fact an ad that Comcast had refused to air. UM

2465
02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:51,080
Speaker 1: and the video this, this unaired ad claimed that it

2466
02:13:51,120 --> 02:13:53,560
Speaker 1: was about. It was telling the story of a thirteen

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02:13:53,600 --> 02:13:57,720
Speaker 1: year old girl, Maddie de Garay Um, who was vaccinated.

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02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:00,920
Speaker 1: She was part of a FASER trial and had she claims,

2469
02:14:00,920 --> 02:14:04,840
Speaker 1: like a disastrously bad reaction. UM an ad about her

2470
02:14:04,840 --> 02:14:08,680
Speaker 1: situation was rejected by Comcast. UM and this girl like

2471
02:14:08,720 --> 02:14:10,960
Speaker 1: has done the whole right wing in her I'm I'm

2472
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:13,080
Speaker 1: guessing her parents are the driver's done the whole right

2473
02:14:13,080 --> 02:14:16,760
Speaker 1: wing media kind of circuit at this point. UM. The

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02:14:16,800 --> 02:14:19,160
Speaker 1: fact that Comcast banned the ad is what the people

2475
02:14:19,160 --> 02:14:22,040
Speaker 1: in this telegram channel were yelling about. UM. And I

2476
02:14:22,080 --> 02:14:25,400
Speaker 1: want to actually quote from the an article about why

2477
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:28,320
Speaker 1: Comcast rejected it, because it makes clear what's actually happening here.

2478
02:14:28,720 --> 02:14:30,640
Speaker 1: Comcast is said to have told the ads buyer it

2479
02:14:30,680 --> 02:14:33,839
Speaker 1: was rejected because it needed substantiation at all. Graphic images

2480
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:37,600
Speaker 1: needed to be removed. Documents reportedly submitted for substantiation included

2481
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:39,720
Speaker 1: the girl's complete medical records, which are said to have

2482
02:14:39,720 --> 02:14:43,320
Speaker 1: outlined symptoms such as erratic blood pressure and pulse, muscle spasms,

2483
02:14:43,400 --> 02:14:45,840
Speaker 1: muscle tremors, headaches, brain fog, mixing up words, and the

2484
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:49,200
Speaker 1: inability to walk and cough. Um. So you've got this

2485
02:14:49,240 --> 02:14:52,560
Speaker 1: case where number one there's graphic images, um, and number

2486
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:56,720
Speaker 1: two there's documentations that this girl has symptoms, but there's

2487
02:14:56,720 --> 02:14:59,400
Speaker 1: not documentation that they're tied in any way to the vaccine,

2488
02:14:59,400 --> 02:15:03,000
Speaker 1: Like it's just one these The comcast is being careful

2489
02:15:03,000 --> 02:15:09,560
Speaker 1: to not spread unsubstantiated shit about vaccine reactions and stuff. Um.

2490
02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:12,920
Speaker 1: But within the telegram channel, the focus is entirely on

2491
02:15:13,000 --> 02:15:16,680
Speaker 1: like how this is evidence of this conspiracy there suppressing

2492
02:15:16,720 --> 02:15:21,480
Speaker 1: the information, suppressing information. UM. One response was, why in

2493
02:15:21,520 --> 02:15:24,480
Speaker 1: Heaven's name don't these parents do their research before having

2494
02:15:24,520 --> 02:15:27,600
Speaker 1: their kids vaccinated? My heart goes out to the precious

2495
02:15:27,640 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 1: child and family. What a lesson to learn for so

2496
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:34,000
Speaker 1: many parents. Never too late to educate yourselves people. UM.

2497
02:15:34,080 --> 02:15:35,919
Speaker 1: Also I want to point it just that the spelling

2498
02:15:36,080 --> 02:15:41,879
Speaker 1: and the area incredible. There's an upsetting amount of emojis

2499
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:45,360
Speaker 1: that Yeah, honestly I couldn't never never two with one

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02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:50,040
Speaker 1: oh late to educate your space selves. Uh, it's just

2501
02:15:50,720 --> 02:15:53,400
Speaker 1: again and now I'm doing the doing the thing. I'm

2502
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:55,840
Speaker 1: doing the thing I tried not to. I did try

2503
02:15:55,880 --> 02:15:58,240
Speaker 1: to give it a straight read through. You can be

2504
02:15:58,400 --> 02:16:01,640
Speaker 1: challenging with it. It's like a very content it's it's

2505
02:16:01,800 --> 02:16:04,360
Speaker 1: very funny. Yeah, but but but I think you know this,

2506
02:16:04,640 --> 02:16:07,280
Speaker 1: this is this goes back to the whole point about

2507
02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:09,520
Speaker 1: how this pradicalization works, right, which is you know you have,

2508
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:13,720
Speaker 1: especially with anti vax stuff that has this sort of

2509
02:16:14,480 --> 02:16:18,480
Speaker 1: larger base from just like regular peer like hard right

2510
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:22,400
Speaker 1: Nazi stuff. You get to see people who you know,

2511
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:25,680
Speaker 1: otherwise probably would be a vaguely normal person, very very

2512
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:27,560
Speaker 1: quickly get all this stuff and very quickly just go

2513
02:16:27,600 --> 02:16:30,320
Speaker 1: off the deep end. They're not like, yeah, it's these

2514
02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:32,920
Speaker 1: it is it's hard to like say like these are

2515
02:16:32,959 --> 02:16:36,439
Speaker 1: all extremists because like they themselves aren't extremists. There's surrounded

2516
02:16:36,440 --> 02:16:39,360
Speaker 1: by so much content that is made by extremists that

2517
02:16:39,440 --> 02:16:41,520
Speaker 1: it's making them do these things, which is how which

2518
02:16:41,520 --> 02:16:44,320
Speaker 1: is how extremism works, right. But it's it's challenging because

2519
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:46,320
Speaker 1: like when you try to explain this to someone, you're like, no,

2520
02:16:46,440 --> 02:16:49,120
Speaker 1: this is obviously just like a regular grandma or something, right,

2521
02:16:49,480 --> 02:16:51,240
Speaker 1: And it's hard to explain to them how fast this

2522
02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:53,480
Speaker 1: thing can move to the point where they're showing up

2523
02:16:53,520 --> 02:16:56,040
Speaker 1: at a school board with their grand killed children yelling

2524
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:58,640
Speaker 1: at like teachers and stuff. Yeah, and it's not that

2525
02:16:58,920 --> 02:17:02,520
Speaker 1: this lady is a Nazi. It's that this lady can be,

2526
02:17:02,720 --> 02:17:05,680
Speaker 1: through the process you just outlined, convinced to stand up

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Speaker 1: next to a Nazi and like, uh, defend his his

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02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,720
Speaker 1: right to do violence to people. She has been convinced

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02:17:13,840 --> 02:17:17,360
Speaker 1: are president a threat to the lives of her, her grandchildren,

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02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:21,000
Speaker 1: which is people may say like the whole like, oh,

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02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:23,280
Speaker 1: it's not worth parsing out that much if you're standing

2532
02:17:23,320 --> 02:17:24,800
Speaker 1: next to a Nazi or a Nazi, but like I

2533
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:28,920
Speaker 1: would argue, no, what's actually the logistics of what is

2534
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:32,280
Speaker 1: happening here are much more dangerous than a grandma got

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02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:37,080
Speaker 1: radicalized into national socialism. Anyway. Another meme I found it

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Speaker 1: was a screen grab from fucking um Shawshank Redemption with

2537
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,800
Speaker 1: Morgan Freeman and I don't know whatever. One of the

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02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:46,720
Speaker 1: white dudes in that movie in prison jumpsuits sitting next

2539
02:17:46,760 --> 02:17:48,760
Speaker 1: to each other, and it's the text on it is

2540
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:50,680
Speaker 1: what are you in for? I spoke of at a

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02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:52,960
Speaker 1: school board meeting, which you she see a lot of

2542
02:17:53,040 --> 02:17:55,360
Speaker 1: stuff like this, this idea that they're going to jail,

2543
02:17:55,360 --> 02:17:57,520
Speaker 1: they're going to get rated by the FBI because they're

2544
02:17:57,560 --> 02:18:01,000
Speaker 1: like showing up at school boards to pro test vaccine

2545
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:05,440
Speaker 1: mandates and mask mandates. Um. And then like in the

2546
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:08,680
Speaker 1: middle of all this stuff, mostly talking about like anti vaction,

2547
02:18:08,879 --> 02:18:13,280
Speaker 1: there's also this post talking about how this post that's

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02:18:13,320 --> 02:18:16,520
Speaker 1: a video of a woman at a school board talking

2549
02:18:16,560 --> 02:18:19,800
Speaker 1: about how a book needed to be banned, and she's reading.

2550
02:18:20,040 --> 02:18:23,160
Speaker 1: The book she's reading is a queer memoir. Um. And

2551
02:18:23,400 --> 02:18:25,720
Speaker 1: I'll talk about I'll talk about this more at the end,

2552
02:18:25,800 --> 02:18:27,640
Speaker 1: but you can definitely mention it here because it gets

2553
02:18:27,720 --> 02:18:29,800
Speaker 1: up a lot. It's it's a gay it's a gay

2554
02:18:29,840 --> 02:18:31,800
Speaker 1: coming of age story, right, And as a result, there's

2555
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:35,280
Speaker 1: a couple of semi graphic scenes in it. And she

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02:18:35,480 --> 02:18:36,960
Speaker 1: like gets up in front of the school board and

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02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:40,600
Speaker 1: reads this and argues that it's basically like pornography. The children.

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02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:43,720
Speaker 1: They think it's child pornography. Yeah, that's what they're marching

2559
02:18:45,000 --> 02:18:47,879
Speaker 1: mistaken what child pornography is. They're trying to they're trying

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02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:49,640
Speaker 1: to get all the people at the school board either

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02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:53,000
Speaker 1: killed or arrested over this. That is that is their goal.

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02:18:53,160 --> 02:18:55,240
Speaker 1: And I'll talk about this specific instance later because it

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02:18:55,360 --> 02:18:57,560
Speaker 1: keeps coming up with all of these channels, and it's

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02:18:57,600 --> 02:19:00,240
Speaker 1: one of the main things that links someone from like

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02:19:00,320 --> 02:19:02,240
Speaker 1: a sodden red channel to a channel like this. This

2566
02:19:02,360 --> 02:19:04,040
Speaker 1: is like one of the main things they've been using

2567
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,160
Speaker 1: the past few weeks, like this is the current, this

2568
02:19:06,280 --> 02:19:08,480
Speaker 1: is like the past, and and this is this though

2569
02:19:08,520 --> 02:19:10,240
Speaker 1: has been going on for a while. You've seen a

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02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:12,160
Speaker 1: lot of like the libertarian right wing, a lot of

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02:19:12,200 --> 02:19:15,640
Speaker 1: like kill your local pedophile shirts because who's gonna Most

2572
02:19:15,680 --> 02:19:20,120
Speaker 1: people don't think, like, who's going to defend a pedophile pedophiles? Yeah,

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02:19:20,560 --> 02:19:22,600
Speaker 1: the proud boy at the Portland school Board who was

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02:19:22,680 --> 02:19:25,240
Speaker 1: standing and ready to fight, the ready to fight security

2575
02:19:25,240 --> 02:19:28,240
Speaker 1: guards and stuff, he was wearing a kill your local pedophile. Uh,

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02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:30,600
Speaker 1: it's this is this is the thing. This is the

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02:19:30,600 --> 02:19:32,080
Speaker 1: thing the right wing figured out. And if they figured

2578
02:19:32,120 --> 02:19:34,240
Speaker 1: this out a long time ago, which is that Okay,

2579
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:37,560
Speaker 1: if you want to get a bunch of people who

2580
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:41,600
Speaker 1: are vaguely normal to do like absolutely horrible violence, the

2581
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:43,200
Speaker 1: way you do it is to tell them that they're

2582
02:19:43,200 --> 02:19:46,560
Speaker 1: threatening kids and it doesn't matter what you went on

2583
02:19:46,640 --> 02:19:50,480
Speaker 1: works so well yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and you know,

2584
02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:54,360
Speaker 1: and this once and once you've convinced you know, like this,

2585
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:55,640
Speaker 1: this is this is just a very I think a

2586
02:19:55,720 --> 02:19:57,880
Speaker 1: very important thing about media messaging in general is that

2587
02:19:58,440 --> 02:20:01,520
Speaker 1: the literally the instant someone says think of the children,

2588
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:05,080
Speaker 1: you need to stop and you need to disregard everything

2589
02:20:05,160 --> 02:20:10,040
Speaker 1: they're about to say after that with a stick. Yeah,

2590
02:20:10,160 --> 02:20:14,520
Speaker 1: Like of the time that person is like about to

2591
02:20:14,640 --> 02:20:17,240
Speaker 1: try to convince you that like you need to like

2592
02:20:17,400 --> 02:20:18,920
Speaker 1: we need to murder the gauge or something like that.

2593
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:21,920
Speaker 1: Like That's that. That's the thing that follows from I

2594
02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:26,120
Speaker 1: feel confident saying no one has ever advocated thinking of

2595
02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:28,760
Speaker 1: the children and meant anything, but I want to kill

2596
02:20:28,879 --> 02:20:33,400
Speaker 1: this specific group of people. Um just like I that's

2597
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:37,640
Speaker 1: not even really hyperbole. It's it's a a trite and

2598
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:40,280
Speaker 1: true organizing tactic for these people. And it's part of

2599
02:20:40,320 --> 02:20:44,280
Speaker 1: the reason why, like the famous white nationalist catchphrase is

2600
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:47,280
Speaker 1: focused around we need to secure a future for white children, right, Like,

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02:20:47,400 --> 02:20:49,920
Speaker 1: that's what they're always talking about with all of this

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02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:53,520
Speaker 1: ship and it's it's about being able to demonize a

2603
02:20:53,560 --> 02:20:55,400
Speaker 1: group in a way that they can't be defended. It's

2604
02:20:55,400 --> 02:20:58,680
Speaker 1: about ending any sort of debate or conversation, and it's

2605
02:20:58,720 --> 02:21:03,960
Speaker 1: about justifying thoughtless violence because it's you're protecting children. Um,

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02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:07,720
Speaker 1: you know who else protects children? Robert definitely not the

2607
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:11,560
Speaker 1: advertisers of this show, um, because we are sponsored by

2608
02:21:12,040 --> 02:21:16,240
Speaker 1: raytheon brand. School bus seeking missiles the only missiles that

2609
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:19,640
Speaker 1: only seek school buses. You cannot shoot them at a tank,

2610
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:21,920
Speaker 1: at a at a technical at a at a terrorist

2611
02:21:22,280 --> 02:21:24,879
Speaker 1: training camp. They go right for school buses no matter

2612
02:21:24,959 --> 02:21:26,560
Speaker 1: where you aim them. So in that way, they are

2613
02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:28,600
Speaker 1: a fire and forget kind of weapon as long as

2614
02:21:28,959 --> 02:21:32,000
Speaker 1: you're willing to forget anything but hitting a child's school

2615
02:21:32,040 --> 02:21:34,360
Speaker 1: bus with a with a missile. Okay, here's here's some

2616
02:21:34,959 --> 02:21:38,200
Speaker 1: check it out. All right, Well we're back still talking

2617
02:21:38,200 --> 02:21:41,520
Speaker 1: about this. Uh yeah, so last segment for this episode.

2618
02:21:42,040 --> 02:21:43,640
Speaker 1: As we as we as I was talking about that,

2619
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:46,720
Speaker 1: there's a post that In the post is a video

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02:21:46,840 --> 02:21:49,000
Speaker 1: of a woman from a different school board meeting reading

2621
02:21:49,040 --> 02:21:52,800
Speaker 1: out a graphics, graphic ish sex scene from this queer memoir,

2622
02:21:53,240 --> 02:21:58,760
Speaker 1: and ranting about how it's it's child pornography. Comments include

2623
02:21:59,000 --> 02:22:03,880
Speaker 1: fucking monsters running these schools, satanic and disgusting an elementary school. Unreal.

2624
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:07,640
Speaker 1: Why aren't charges brought against the school for distributing pornography

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02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:12,520
Speaker 1: to minors? It's not even reading, they could, It's just

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02:22:12,640 --> 02:22:16,840
Speaker 1: available from some other library. It's like, because you can

2627
02:22:16,920 --> 02:22:20,199
Speaker 1: request a lot of books at libraries in all caps.

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02:22:20,360 --> 02:22:23,000
Speaker 1: Where's the sheriffs, where are the city, county, state and

2629
02:22:23,120 --> 02:22:27,959
Speaker 1: federal task forces? And uh yeah, it's I'll talk about

2630
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:30,040
Speaker 1: this more in the next episode. Tied to just the

2631
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:34,800
Speaker 1: overarching anti anti queer, anti trans, anti gay school board

2632
02:22:35,480 --> 02:22:37,800
Speaker 1: side of things, and of course other things I found.

2633
02:22:37,840 --> 02:22:41,360
Speaker 1: There's like video of them celebrating Capital rioters, celebrating Josh

2634
02:22:41,440 --> 02:22:44,360
Speaker 1: Holly for defending Capital rioters. Um. I went into some

2635
02:22:44,480 --> 02:22:47,480
Speaker 1: other channels that were adjacent that I saw shared, you know,

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02:22:47,640 --> 02:22:50,840
Speaker 1: in this channel. One of them was Oscar's midnight writer

2637
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:54,279
Speaker 1: Patriot Post channel, which actually has thousands and thousands of followers.

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02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:57,680
Speaker 1: Average post would get two to three thousand views. Um,

2639
02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:00,800
Speaker 1: here's one. I'm considered a domestic terrorist if I tell

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02:23:00,840 --> 02:23:02,440
Speaker 1: a school board that I don't want my eight year

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02:23:02,480 --> 02:23:05,879
Speaker 1: old daughter watching sex videos in her third grade classroom. Um,

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02:23:06,040 --> 02:23:08,840
Speaker 1: And that post was right above this post. The Constitution

2643
02:23:08,959 --> 02:23:11,600
Speaker 1: actually says you can legally overthrow your government if they

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02:23:11,640 --> 02:23:14,560
Speaker 1: are tyrannical. And that post was right above this post,

2645
02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:17,640
Speaker 1: which was a screen which was a screen grab from

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02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:21,199
Speaker 1: a Twitter account for a guy who calls himself Murray

2647
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:25,240
Speaker 1: Rothbard's seventeen seventy six The FBI didn't rate Epstein Island

2648
02:23:25,320 --> 02:23:27,760
Speaker 1: or protect hundreds of young female gymnasts from being sexually

2649
02:23:27,800 --> 02:23:30,480
Speaker 1: assaulted for years, but they'll raid your PTA meetings when

2650
02:23:30,520 --> 02:23:33,120
Speaker 1: you question the curriculum and on scientific mask mandates and

2651
02:23:33,160 --> 02:23:37,080
Speaker 1: their indoctrination camps, I mean public schools. And of course

2652
02:23:37,440 --> 02:23:40,600
Speaker 1: this from Twitter user named Emerald Robinson. And again this

2653
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:42,920
Speaker 1: is all shared in that channel. It's like a screen

2654
02:23:42,959 --> 02:23:45,760
Speaker 1: grab from Twitter. When the FBI starts arresting parents at

2655
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:48,360
Speaker 1: school board meetings, just remember the GOP senators who made

2656
02:23:48,400 --> 02:23:51,080
Speaker 1: it happen by confirming Merritt Gardland as Attorney General. And

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02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:55,240
Speaker 1: then it's a list of Republican u Emerald Emerald Robinson

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Speaker 1: is the White House correspondent for news Max. Oh right,

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02:23:58,840 --> 02:24:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, you're right. Uh huh great great.

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02:24:02,920 --> 02:24:06,960
Speaker 1: So I don't know, that's probably all I should get into. Well, no,

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02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:11,800
Speaker 1: there's a wen one more things. So Oscar's Midnight Writer,

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02:24:11,959 --> 02:24:15,000
Speaker 1: which was shared in in that uh that school board

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02:24:15,080 --> 02:24:18,360
Speaker 1: channel took me to the Western Chauvinist school Board channel,

2664
02:24:18,560 --> 02:24:20,880
Speaker 1: which took me to a post which with a video

2665
02:24:21,440 --> 02:24:23,600
Speaker 1: UM with a link to a video. The text with

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02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:26,080
Speaker 1: the video was woman at school board meeting calls out

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02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:29,600
Speaker 1: Jewish power by name um and it's a woman ranting

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02:24:29,640 --> 02:24:31,640
Speaker 1: about how the Jews are behind all of the critical

2669
02:24:31,720 --> 02:24:35,720
Speaker 1: race theory in schools. Um. So again not hard to

2670
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:38,960
Speaker 1: get to this kind of ship. Another post was it

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02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:41,520
Speaker 1: was in the Western Chauvinist Telegram. It was sharing a

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02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:44,080
Speaker 1: post from the Murder the Media Telegram, who were part

2673
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:47,240
Speaker 1: of the Capital riot. UM. That post from Murder the

2674
02:24:47,320 --> 02:24:50,920
Speaker 1: Media was National school Board Association apology letter for calling

2675
02:24:50,959 --> 02:24:53,720
Speaker 1: you domestic terrorist. It was we'll talk about this later,

2676
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:56,400
Speaker 1: but the comment in the Western Chauvinist was like, we

2677
02:24:56,480 --> 02:25:00,280
Speaker 1: don't apologize for being like for being domestic terror rists.

2678
02:25:00,360 --> 02:25:02,959
Speaker 1: Like we're yeah, we we think it's rad that they

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02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:05,680
Speaker 1: called us domestic terrorists. Because in this channel by the

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02:25:05,720 --> 02:25:09,040
Speaker 1: Way has over fifty subscribers UM and used to be

2681
02:25:09,040 --> 02:25:11,560
Speaker 1: a Proud Boy channel, which is now just a general

2682
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:15,560
Speaker 1: kind of farther right wing organizing channel that it's probably

2683
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:18,560
Speaker 1: it's one of the most shared Telegram channels in this

2684
02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:22,920
Speaker 1: whole network. UM and they are really good at creating

2685
02:25:23,000 --> 02:25:26,000
Speaker 1: propaganda that appeals to Trump voters while slipping in a

2686
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:30,080
Speaker 1: lot of accelerationist talking points UM to slowly lead people

2687
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:32,200
Speaker 1: on that redcrumb trail to make them be okay with

2688
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:36,400
Speaker 1: mass violence. There was a comment in there, forwarded from

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02:25:36,760 --> 02:25:39,600
Speaker 1: another from the telegram account of a guy named Eric Striker,

2690
02:25:40,320 --> 02:25:43,640
Speaker 1: UM and this was a post Striker made commenting on

2691
02:25:43,720 --> 02:25:45,840
Speaker 1: a video of a father being dragged out of a

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02:25:45,920 --> 02:25:51,200
Speaker 1: quote woke school board meeting. UM for uh complaining of

2693
02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:55,760
Speaker 1: complaining about this kind of ship UM. The post from

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02:25:55,879 --> 02:25:58,400
Speaker 1: Eric Striker I think is worth reading, and I'm going

2695
02:25:58,440 --> 02:26:00,600
Speaker 1: to read it now. For now, all we can do

2696
02:26:00,760 --> 02:26:04,199
Speaker 1: is impotently watch injustices like this unfold. This is really upsetting.

2697
02:26:04,280 --> 02:26:06,760
Speaker 1: We must build our political organization to the point where

2698
02:26:06,760 --> 02:26:10,680
Speaker 1: we can rapidly mobilize to defend this man, including physical demonstrations,

2699
02:26:10,920 --> 02:26:13,320
Speaker 1: sent him free legal support and make people realize that

2700
02:26:13,360 --> 02:26:15,600
Speaker 1: the time of fucking with whites is over. We need

2701
02:26:15,640 --> 02:26:18,440
Speaker 1: our own media, civil society groups and activists. We need

2702
02:26:18,520 --> 02:26:21,400
Speaker 1: money and volunteers. It's not the Republican Party or anything

2703
02:26:21,480 --> 02:26:24,000
Speaker 1: in the conservative movement. It never will be. We need

2704
02:26:24,040 --> 02:26:26,760
Speaker 1: to build it from scratch. We are well underway National

2705
02:26:26,879 --> 02:26:30,560
Speaker 1: Justice Party. We must quietly and patiently build. Eventually we

2706
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,480
Speaker 1: will have the capacity to come on the scene when

2707
02:26:32,520 --> 02:26:34,520
Speaker 1: they least expect it and will be and we will

2708
02:26:34,520 --> 02:26:37,760
Speaker 1: be too powerful to stop. And that's probably where we

2709
02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:43,040
Speaker 1: should end for today. Yep, that's a good part on

2710
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:47,480
Speaker 1: good sad intro into the current problem of schoolbar meetings.

2711
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:50,520
Speaker 1: We'll get into a lot more like accelerating rhetoric in

2712
02:26:50,560 --> 02:26:52,080
Speaker 1: the next bit and then talk about kind where the

2713
02:26:52,120 --> 02:26:55,400
Speaker 1: stuff originated from and the other other side of things beyond,

2714
02:26:55,560 --> 02:26:58,320
Speaker 1: just like the CRT and UH and and mask stuff,

2715
02:26:58,320 --> 02:27:00,160
Speaker 1: because it branches out into a lot of other kind

2716
02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:05,560
Speaker 1: of adjacent cultural war bullshit issues. Um. Anyway, Yeah, we'll

2717
02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:09,200
Speaker 1: do that tomorrow. Um. You can follow the show on

2718
02:27:09,560 --> 02:27:11,880
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, it happen here, pod and cool zone

2719
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:13,879
Speaker 1: Media if you want to be on those apps, which

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02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't know why you would. Yeah, don't be on

2721
02:27:16,040 --> 02:27:18,640
Speaker 1: those apps. Get you know, I just found out they'll

2722
02:27:18,680 --> 02:27:21,840
Speaker 1: deliver skinned gators to your door. Get into cooking gators.

2723
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,280
Speaker 1: That's what I plan to do. Getting off Twitter and

2724
02:27:24,360 --> 02:27:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm Gator is the new social network. So ga gator?

2725
02:27:43,200 --> 02:27:49,640
Speaker 1: What second? My part of this episode on right wing

2726
02:27:49,879 --> 02:27:54,240
Speaker 1: attempts to attack and dominate school board meetings in order

2727
02:27:54,360 --> 02:27:58,360
Speaker 1: to further their ability to do violence on marginalized groups.

2728
02:27:58,600 --> 02:28:02,720
Speaker 1: And also it rode democratic institutions from the ground. Uh

2729
02:28:04,600 --> 02:28:09,920
Speaker 1: statue title, Yeah, yeah, that'll that'll click. Well. Ah, I'm

2730
02:28:09,959 --> 02:28:13,879
Speaker 1: so glad we don't have to worry about clicking and titles.

2731
02:28:13,920 --> 02:28:16,360
Speaker 1: And that took up a lot of my mind back

2732
02:28:16,400 --> 02:28:19,040
Speaker 1: in the day, Garrison, back when, back when the internet

2733
02:28:19,160 --> 02:28:21,600
Speaker 1: was different. Now we don't have to worry about that anymore.

2734
02:28:21,640 --> 02:28:23,520
Speaker 1: But we do have to worry about our mobs of

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02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:27,520
Speaker 1: fascists attacking school board meetings. It happens every week, keeps

2736
02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:30,879
Speaker 1: happening more often. Boards are calling for assistance. That they

2737
02:28:30,959 --> 02:28:34,119
Speaker 1: seem pretty, they seem pretty, not thrilled. Yeah, they seem

2738
02:28:34,400 --> 02:28:39,800
Speaker 1: not psyched about. So where we're where? When we left off,

2739
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:42,280
Speaker 1: I was talking about some things I found on the

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02:28:42,400 --> 02:28:47,880
Speaker 1: gram telegram. Uh, Garrison. What's next. I'll go into my

2741
02:28:48,120 --> 02:28:52,320
Speaker 1: preliminary research on Telegram and particularly response. Basically, I looked

2742
02:28:52,320 --> 02:28:54,520
Speaker 1: through every single Telegram post and all of the main

2743
02:28:54,600 --> 02:28:57,960
Speaker 1: fascist channels I lurk on that mentioned school boards from

2744
02:28:58,040 --> 02:29:01,080
Speaker 1: like the past two weeks. Um, so like yeah, this

2745
02:29:01,200 --> 02:29:05,640
Speaker 1: is like current current stuff on ongoing. UM. I got

2746
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:07,520
Speaker 1: to a lot of the channels I was already familiar with,

2747
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:10,520
Speaker 1: like you know, the Western Chavenist channel, which is uh

2748
02:29:11,000 --> 02:29:14,360
Speaker 1: subs um, the Standard Students channel, which was a when

2749
02:29:14,360 --> 02:29:18,279
Speaker 1: I was less familiar with, specifically dedicated to this school

2750
02:29:18,320 --> 02:29:20,840
Speaker 1: board issue. Um. One of one of the posts we

2751
02:29:20,959 --> 02:29:24,760
Speaker 1: have on there is UH says your enemy isn't some

2752
02:29:25,200 --> 02:29:27,520
Speaker 1: far off ship whole country. Your enemy is just down

2753
02:29:27,560 --> 02:29:30,959
Speaker 1: the street at your local school board meeting, teaching your

2754
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:35,240
Speaker 1: kids to hate their ancestors, you and themselves. So like again,

2755
02:29:35,400 --> 02:29:37,920
Speaker 1: that is a very much white supremacist dog whistle just

2756
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:42,080
Speaker 1: right there, um talking about producing Hollywood movies writing they're

2757
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:47,680
Speaker 1: basically it's basically just a whistle. Um. So yeah. They

2758
02:29:47,720 --> 02:29:49,440
Speaker 1: then they, you know, the same post talks about you know,

2759
02:29:49,720 --> 02:29:52,760
Speaker 1: masks and shutting down businesses and the vaccines and stuff,

2760
02:29:53,000 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 1: and saying the fight is here and the fight is

2761
02:29:54,680 --> 02:29:57,240
Speaker 1: now so just in terms of like, yeah, they're really

2762
02:29:57,320 --> 02:30:00,240
Speaker 1: wanting to hype people up for doing this thing at

2763
02:30:00,320 --> 02:30:03,040
Speaker 1: school boards. They're trying to really hammer down the school

2764
02:30:03,080 --> 02:30:05,480
Speaker 1: board points. So like I found this, I found this post.

2765
02:30:06,040 --> 02:30:08,680
Speaker 1: This is this is a post from the Standford Students channel.

2766
02:30:09,040 --> 02:30:11,240
Speaker 1: Um and I saw this one re shared in a

2767
02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:13,680
Speaker 1: lot of different channels. One of the other first ones

2768
02:30:13,720 --> 02:30:17,760
Speaker 1: that I saw pop off was from Ron Watkins channel

2769
02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:20,240
Speaker 1: like Code monkey Z. He is one of the one

2770
02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:21,840
Speaker 1: of the architects or one of the you know people

2771
02:30:21,879 --> 02:30:25,680
Speaker 1: who really pushed Q and on stuff into He's the

2772
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:30,560
Speaker 1: guy who ran like the physical infrastructure of Chan chan

2773
02:30:30,680 --> 02:30:33,200
Speaker 1: in eight Coon for years. Yeah. He and he's trying

2774
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:35,840
Speaker 1: to pivot into being like having his just his face

2775
02:30:35,959 --> 02:30:39,400
Speaker 1: be like a kind of alternative right wing figure right now. Uh,

2776
02:30:39,560 --> 02:30:43,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna be running for office in Arizona, I believe. Anyway,

2777
02:30:44,320 --> 02:30:46,760
Speaker 1: he has a very popular telegram channel, um and he

2778
02:30:47,040 --> 02:30:49,280
Speaker 1: made he made this post that had over a thousand,

2779
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:51,440
Speaker 1: over a thousand comments on it, which is a lot

2780
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:55,119
Speaker 1: for telegram. A thousand comments on telegram post, especially telegram

2781
02:30:55,160 --> 02:30:59,000
Speaker 1: post of of code mackeyzs size. I ever see how

2782
02:30:59,000 --> 02:31:01,920
Speaker 1: how many subs doesn't so Ron just as context, Ron

2783
02:31:02,000 --> 02:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Watkins has four hundred and thirty two thousand subscribers on

2784
02:31:06,360 --> 02:31:12,600
Speaker 1: his on his telegram channel. So yeah, anyway, Uh, CRT

2785
02:31:12,840 --> 02:31:18,640
Speaker 1: is being rebranded as s e L a social emotional learning.

2786
02:31:18,879 --> 02:31:21,480
Speaker 1: If you are attending school board meetings as you should be,

2787
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:23,520
Speaker 1: do what you can to make sure you stop both

2788
02:31:23,800 --> 02:31:26,840
Speaker 1: s e L and CRT and keep them and make

2789
02:31:26,879 --> 02:31:30,760
Speaker 1: sure that they are banned in your school districts. So again,

2790
02:31:30,879 --> 02:31:33,840
Speaker 1: just direct calls to action for getting people to show

2791
02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:36,920
Speaker 1: up to these school boards. And also, social emotional learning

2792
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:39,520
Speaker 1: is not CRT, and of course SCRT is not even

2793
02:31:39,560 --> 02:31:41,520
Speaker 1: taught in schools. I think everyone who listens to this

2794
02:31:41,959 --> 02:31:45,000
Speaker 1: podcast knows that sr T, actually critical ray theory isn't

2795
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:47,360
Speaker 1: taught in schools. This isn't an actual thing. It's it

2796
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:49,360
Speaker 1: is like a legal theory. We'll get into more of

2797
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:51,360
Speaker 1: how this got like pushed towards the end. I think

2798
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:54,600
Speaker 1: Chris has some stuff prepared on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2799
02:31:54,840 --> 02:31:57,080
Speaker 1: it's again these none of these things are actually real.

2800
02:31:57,480 --> 02:32:00,200
Speaker 1: It's a complex legal theory. What they're really mad about

2801
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:03,120
Speaker 1: is their people are teaching that racism is like an

2802
02:32:03,160 --> 02:32:05,680
Speaker 1: issue that's built into a lot of American institutions, and

2803
02:32:05,720 --> 02:32:07,520
Speaker 1: it's an ongoing thing. It's not a thing of the past.

2804
02:32:07,600 --> 02:32:09,320
Speaker 1: That's what they're actually mad about, and they just call

2805
02:32:09,400 --> 02:32:12,560
Speaker 1: that crt. Some some of the comments from the Ron

2806
02:32:12,600 --> 02:32:16,560
Speaker 1: Watkins post, stuff like these snowflakes are so annoying. I'm

2807
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:18,520
Speaker 1: about to start cutting power to any school in my

2808
02:32:18,600 --> 02:32:23,520
Speaker 1: community that teaches this. Um so yeah, more Again, that's

2809
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:26,400
Speaker 1: just a direct, direct threat of doing terrorism. Should like,

2810
02:32:27,560 --> 02:32:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, less of a threat and more of a promise. Yeah,

2811
02:32:32,680 --> 02:32:36,800
Speaker 1: does that? No? Sure it doesn't. Alright, Well I don't

2812
02:32:36,959 --> 02:32:40,040
Speaker 1: understand things the same way you zoomers do. Please continue. Yeah,

2813
02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:42,480
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of posts being a shipped

2814
02:32:42,480 --> 02:32:45,440
Speaker 1: around from channel to channel, including this full Nazi channels

2815
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:48,480
Speaker 1: were like trying to trying to of course, like lots

2816
02:32:48,480 --> 02:32:50,080
Speaker 1: of Nazis are actually you know, I thought it was

2817
02:32:50,120 --> 02:32:52,720
Speaker 1: pretty funny that the that the school board union put

2818
02:32:52,800 --> 02:32:55,200
Speaker 1: in a call to assistance to the federal government to

2819
02:32:55,280 --> 02:32:57,080
Speaker 1: deal with this issue. They of course they thought that

2820
02:32:57,160 --> 02:32:58,880
Speaker 1: was funny. But they're going to use this to like

2821
02:32:59,080 --> 02:33:01,800
Speaker 1: spread networks to be like, hey, the government wants to

2822
02:33:01,840 --> 02:33:04,520
Speaker 1: stop you. They're calling you a terrorist. You like regular

2823
02:33:04,600 --> 02:33:06,640
Speaker 1: folk are being called terrorist because you're showing up the

2824
02:33:06,640 --> 02:33:08,480
Speaker 1: school boards, right, that's the kind of message that they're

2825
02:33:08,480 --> 02:33:10,760
Speaker 1: going to shoot out. So they a lot of Nazi

2826
02:33:10,840 --> 02:33:12,960
Speaker 1: channels crafted a lot of posts like that that got

2827
02:33:13,080 --> 02:33:17,520
Speaker 1: shared around a lot. Yeah, in trying to basically all

2828
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:20,920
Speaker 1: time critical race theory and if you approached against critical

2829
02:33:21,000 --> 02:33:23,400
Speaker 1: race theory, they're calling you a domestic terrorist. That that

2830
02:33:23,560 --> 02:33:26,120
Speaker 1: type of thing. And this got this got shared in

2831
02:33:26,240 --> 02:33:28,160
Speaker 1: the school boards channel, and a whole bunch of whole

2832
02:33:28,200 --> 02:33:31,080
Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff being being talking about how if

2833
02:33:31,360 --> 02:33:33,480
Speaker 1: you if you stand up, you're gonna be a domestic terrorist.

2834
02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:35,520
Speaker 1: You have to be brave and do this. A few

2835
02:33:35,640 --> 02:33:38,400
Speaker 1: days after the school board Uh, not a few days,

2836
02:33:38,400 --> 02:33:39,880
Speaker 1: I guess this. This was this was in like in

2837
02:33:40,040 --> 02:33:45,240
Speaker 1: October um, the school Association retracted some of the some

2838
02:33:45,400 --> 02:33:47,760
Speaker 1: of the words that they used in their letter because

2839
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:51,080
Speaker 1: of this backlash that was created. And this was also

2840
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:54,680
Speaker 1: shared in shared in uh lots of fascist channels. The

2841
02:33:54,760 --> 02:33:56,720
Speaker 1: main one who is shared in that I saw was

2842
02:33:56,879 --> 02:34:00,360
Speaker 1: the Honk Pills channel UM, which is just another type

2843
02:34:00,400 --> 02:34:04,560
Speaker 1: of Peppe meme Um, one of the other one of

2844
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:07,680
Speaker 1: the other big big kind of groups active in this.

2845
02:34:08,800 --> 02:34:10,520
Speaker 1: In this whole sphere. And this this has been a

2846
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:12,400
Speaker 1: group going on for a while and we haven't talked

2847
02:34:12,440 --> 02:34:14,640
Speaker 1: about on the pod, but we probably should do something eventually.

2848
02:34:15,000 --> 02:34:17,440
Speaker 1: Is this group called White Rose, So this is a

2849
02:34:17,560 --> 02:34:21,039
Speaker 1: White Rose is a COVID conspiracy group that has been

2850
02:34:21,160 --> 02:34:25,680
Speaker 1: very uh successful in creating on the ground organizers who

2851
02:34:25,680 --> 02:34:27,879
Speaker 1: are regular people. They do a lot of like sticker

2852
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:30,360
Speaker 1: bombs and lots of neighborhoods. If you have if you

2853
02:34:30,480 --> 02:34:33,400
Speaker 1: ever seen anti like COVID or COVID conspiracy stickers in

2854
02:34:33,440 --> 02:34:36,160
Speaker 1: your neighborhood, it was probably a White Rose sticker. UM.

2855
02:34:36,280 --> 02:34:38,360
Speaker 1: These are all over the States and basically every time.

2856
02:34:39,240 --> 02:34:42,280
Speaker 1: As a quick heads up, the original White Rose was

2857
02:34:42,480 --> 02:34:46,840
Speaker 1: a student protest organization that existed in Nazi Germany UM

2858
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:52,279
Speaker 1: and protested illegally and its organizers were executed by the Nazis.

2859
02:34:52,320 --> 02:34:53,520
Speaker 1: And I think it was the mid forty I mean

2860
02:34:53,520 --> 02:34:57,240
Speaker 1: it would be like like forty three, maybe maybe forty four. UM.

2861
02:34:57,320 --> 02:35:01,040
Speaker 1: Sophie Shoal was the person most associated with them. So

2862
02:35:01,120 --> 02:35:05,600
Speaker 1: they they're they're they've taken the names of these these heroes,

2863
02:35:05,959 --> 02:35:10,160
Speaker 1: UM in order to it's just disgusting, it's very gross.

2864
02:35:10,320 --> 02:35:13,080
Speaker 1: There's there's a decent amount of decent amount of researchers

2865
02:35:13,080 --> 02:35:16,520
Speaker 1: in this field. Thinks that there's like actual bad people

2866
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:18,440
Speaker 1: behind White Rose of course, with like like bad people

2867
02:35:18,440 --> 02:35:20,680
Speaker 1: because they're spending COVID stuff, but like like wait, like

2868
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:24,000
Speaker 1: like more like bad actors use basically astroturfing this thing,

2869
02:35:24,840 --> 02:35:28,240
Speaker 1: but at White rosterserves its own piece later. But because

2870
02:35:28,280 --> 02:35:30,880
Speaker 1: they have such a big following on telegram, they are

2871
02:35:30,959 --> 02:35:35,480
Speaker 1: of course using using this to using the school board

2872
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:37,039
Speaker 1: thing to gain more support, and they have about fifty

2873
02:35:37,400 --> 02:35:40,920
Speaker 1: subscribers to their specific telegram channel. They showed a post

2874
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:44,280
Speaker 1: a few weeks ago saying thank you to all the

2875
02:35:44,320 --> 02:35:46,400
Speaker 1: brave parents going out to their school boards and standing

2876
02:35:46,520 --> 02:35:49,960
Speaker 1: up for the children. Um. And they try that, you know,

2877
02:35:50,040 --> 02:35:52,080
Speaker 1: get people to do sticker bombs and stuff, but the

2878
02:35:52,160 --> 02:35:54,360
Speaker 1: fact that there's like specifically calling out people in school

2879
02:35:54,360 --> 02:35:57,560
Speaker 1: boards is like an extra step of like beyond just

2880
02:35:57,640 --> 02:36:02,200
Speaker 1: putting stickers up in your neighborhood. Um. Another another another

2881
02:36:02,320 --> 02:36:06,160
Speaker 1: White Right Rose post. They shared a shared a video

2882
02:36:07,240 --> 02:36:11,680
Speaker 1: UM that was captioned as concerned parent absolutely destroys school

2883
02:36:11,720 --> 02:36:14,600
Speaker 1: board with facts. The school boards are the battlefield of

2884
02:36:14,680 --> 02:36:17,880
Speaker 1: our time. This is how it's done. And just the

2885
02:36:18,000 --> 02:36:20,840
Speaker 1: increasing rhetoric around like battlefields. This is where like the

2886
02:36:20,920 --> 02:36:24,800
Speaker 1: fight is at all that kind of stuff. Um. There

2887
02:36:24,879 --> 02:36:28,279
Speaker 1: was another another, Uh, the White White Chauvinist Channel shared

2888
02:36:28,360 --> 02:36:31,840
Speaker 1: a video from Fox News UM and they they the

2889
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:34,880
Speaker 1: Western Chauvinist Channel, which is again it's one of the

2890
02:36:34,959 --> 02:36:37,640
Speaker 1: most shared ones in this whole network. They captioned this

2891
02:36:37,720 --> 02:36:40,120
Speaker 1: saying parents and Virginia are trying to fight back against

2892
02:36:40,320 --> 02:36:44,000
Speaker 1: the school board that is anti white. Um. Every every

2893
02:36:44,040 --> 02:36:46,879
Speaker 1: school district in America needs to have an anti mandate

2894
02:36:47,160 --> 02:36:51,240
Speaker 1: pro right parents running for the school board. So that's

2895
02:36:51,280 --> 02:36:53,760
Speaker 1: just the It's this type of stuff all over and

2896
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:57,360
Speaker 1: this this this post was got it has like an

2897
02:36:57,440 --> 02:37:03,320
Speaker 1: eleven eleven thousand, eleven thousand views. Um. So these things

2898
02:37:03,360 --> 02:37:04,800
Speaker 1: are spreading to a lot of a lot of these

2899
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:07,040
Speaker 1: specific networks. And I mean, I I have so many

2900
02:37:07,080 --> 02:37:08,320
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff. I'm not going to go

2901
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:10,760
Speaker 1: through every single one in detail. There's ones that are

2902
02:37:10,800 --> 02:37:13,560
Speaker 1: way more like openly anti Semitic, uh, you know saying,

2903
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:16,160
Speaker 1: you know the Jews that run you know, ex school board,

2904
02:37:16,680 --> 02:37:20,560
Speaker 1: um are trying to force vaccinations on every student over twelve. Um.

2905
02:37:21,400 --> 02:37:24,640
Speaker 1: Other another Uh, there's this fake this is this this

2906
02:37:24,760 --> 02:37:28,160
Speaker 1: fake Clint Eastwood channel on Telegram. That's pretty popular. Someone

2907
02:37:28,200 --> 02:37:32,960
Speaker 1: who's pretending to be Clint Eastwood that spreads far right stuff. Um.

2908
02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:34,960
Speaker 1: He had a post that was shared a lot that

2909
02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:37,879
Speaker 1: started by saying, start taking over school boards, start taking

2910
02:37:37,879 --> 02:37:41,199
Speaker 1: over city council, start taking over city boards. Um, start

2911
02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:44,600
Speaker 1: to start being poll watchers, start being poll workers, start

2912
02:37:44,680 --> 02:37:47,600
Speaker 1: taking over sheriff's departments. It's not enough just to vote.

2913
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:49,360
Speaker 1: So this, this is the other thing that we're going

2914
02:37:49,400 --> 02:37:52,279
Speaker 1: to see a lot more of, is rhetoric around voting.

2915
02:37:52,360 --> 02:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Isn't enough. You need to start doing more things. Um,

2916
02:37:55,680 --> 02:37:58,760
Speaker 1: there is one of it. Yeah, here, here's here's one.

2917
02:37:59,200 --> 02:38:01,560
Speaker 1: This is gonna this is referencing some of the trans stuff.

2918
02:38:01,560 --> 02:38:02,880
Speaker 1: I'll discussing a bit, but I just want to tie

2919
02:38:02,920 --> 02:38:05,959
Speaker 1: it in now. A post from the Western Chauvinist Channel

2920
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:10,440
Speaker 1: saying there is no political solution, which is a direct Nazi,

2921
02:38:10,800 --> 02:38:14,200
Speaker 1: a direct Nazi lie. I mean that, That's what I

2922
02:38:14,280 --> 02:38:16,720
Speaker 1: did an article early this year on Riley Williams, the

2923
02:38:16,840 --> 02:38:20,160
Speaker 1: Nazi who stole Pelosi's laptop during the Capitol riot, and

2924
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:23,039
Speaker 1: then like the video that we were able to identify

2925
02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:25,760
Speaker 1: her as a sig hiling Nazi and That's how she

2926
02:38:25,879 --> 02:38:28,280
Speaker 1: opened her quote. There is no political solution. It's a

2927
02:38:28,480 --> 02:38:33,520
Speaker 1: very common catchphrase among like the the fast right. Yeah,

2928
02:38:34,120 --> 02:38:36,520
Speaker 1: So there's been a lot of stuff around harassing like

2929
02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:39,760
Speaker 1: specific school board members, harassing specific teachers. There was this

2930
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:42,160
Speaker 1: teacher in I think in California that was trying to

2931
02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:45,800
Speaker 1: like introduced like like anti fascist type rhetoric and talking

2932
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:48,240
Speaker 1: about how fascism is a modern thing. They got absolutely

2933
02:38:48,320 --> 02:38:52,160
Speaker 1: bashed um and like docs um, and they got it

2934
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:54,480
Speaker 1: I think fired because there was like hundreds of of

2935
02:38:54,600 --> 02:38:57,440
Speaker 1: parents organizing on on apps like telegram to harass this

2936
02:38:57,520 --> 02:38:59,360
Speaker 1: one teacher at school board's that you know, they took

2937
02:38:59,400 --> 02:39:01,880
Speaker 1: over massive goool board meetings and just talked about this

2938
02:39:01,920 --> 02:39:06,160
Speaker 1: one teacher endlessly um. And it was even It's interesting

2939
02:39:06,160 --> 02:39:07,640
Speaker 1: because like all the parents were like, yeah, Mike, my

2940
02:39:08,320 --> 02:39:11,240
Speaker 1: I got worried because my student actually really like liked

2941
02:39:11,280 --> 02:39:13,280
Speaker 1: the teacher and said that they were doing like giving

2942
02:39:13,320 --> 02:39:16,840
Speaker 1: really interesting points about like systemic issues. And the parents

2943
02:39:16,879 --> 02:39:18,320
Speaker 1: were like and they like brought their kids to the

2944
02:39:18,360 --> 02:39:20,280
Speaker 1: school board meetings. There's the kids are standing in the

2945
02:39:20,320 --> 02:39:22,400
Speaker 1: back as their parents are ranting about this and talking

2946
02:39:22,440 --> 02:39:24,880
Speaker 1: about how the kids actually like I thought they were

2947
02:39:24,959 --> 02:39:29,320
Speaker 1: learning things about systemic issues and then that got people mad.

2948
02:39:31,000 --> 02:39:36,080
Speaker 1: So you know what else gets people mad? Uh? This

2949
02:39:36,200 --> 02:39:44,199
Speaker 1: is advertisements. Yeah, and we're bad. We're gonna we're gonna

2950
02:39:44,280 --> 02:39:48,120
Speaker 1: touch on the uh, the specifics, like all the stuff

2951
02:39:48,120 --> 02:39:51,200
Speaker 1: we've been talking about. Most of the modern most most

2952
02:39:51,240 --> 02:39:54,040
Speaker 1: of the current organizing is a lot of it's around

2953
02:39:54,080 --> 02:39:56,640
Speaker 1: like mask mandates and vaccine mandates. Um, Like all of

2954
02:39:56,680 --> 02:39:59,320
Speaker 1: this stuff called like you know, the the school board channel.

2955
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:02,360
Speaker 1: All of this kind of stuff is usually around vaccine,

2956
02:40:02,520 --> 02:40:06,119
Speaker 1: vaccines and masks stuff. Uh. Of course there's critical Royce

2957
02:40:06,120 --> 02:40:08,680
Speaker 1: theory was the way more popular thing a few months ago.

2958
02:40:08,840 --> 02:40:10,720
Speaker 1: Right now is the vaccine thing. The other kind of

2959
02:40:10,840 --> 02:40:16,039
Speaker 1: like ever present thing is being upset that trans kids

2960
02:40:16,080 --> 02:40:19,160
Speaker 1: exist and being very fearful that that there are trans

2961
02:40:19,320 --> 02:40:22,840
Speaker 1: kids around your kids. Uh. This is a thing that's been,

2962
02:40:22,920 --> 02:40:25,440
Speaker 1: you know, a thing for years that people have been

2963
02:40:25,720 --> 02:40:29,520
Speaker 1: fighting against, and since the school board thing is becoming

2964
02:40:29,560 --> 02:40:34,520
Speaker 1: more popular, people are are starting to uh bring lastly,

2965
02:40:34,600 --> 02:40:38,280
Speaker 1: do these kind of flash mobs specifically around trans issues. Um.

2966
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:40,800
Speaker 1: One of like the more like astro turf type things

2967
02:40:41,320 --> 02:40:44,040
Speaker 1: was people getting mad that there were like two specific

2968
02:40:44,120 --> 02:40:47,920
Speaker 1: books available in certain high school and some middle school libraries.

2969
02:40:48,520 --> 02:40:52,080
Speaker 1: UM that one of it was like a like one

2970
02:40:52,120 --> 02:40:54,720
Speaker 1: of it was the memoir that Robert mentioned. The other

2971
02:40:54,800 --> 02:41:00,600
Speaker 1: one was like a graphic novel memorial about someone realizing

2972
02:41:00,600 --> 02:41:02,920
Speaker 1: their gender queer. So these are books that are not

2973
02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:05,280
Speaker 1: in curriculums. These are just books that are available at

2974
02:41:05,560 --> 02:41:09,560
Speaker 1: the library. UM. And basically there was people who just

2975
02:41:09,879 --> 02:41:12,240
Speaker 1: who found these out and got turned it into like

2976
02:41:12,440 --> 02:41:14,680
Speaker 1: like a meme on telegram essentially, like people like sharing

2977
02:41:14,680 --> 02:41:16,680
Speaker 1: information about this, then you like look it up, see

2978
02:41:16,680 --> 02:41:18,640
Speaker 1: if it's in your library. So then we have all

2979
02:41:18,720 --> 02:41:21,720
Speaker 1: of these like coordinated attacks on school boards by these

2980
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:24,760
Speaker 1: models of people all about these same two books. UM.

2981
02:41:24,879 --> 02:41:26,640
Speaker 1: And the goals to not only just get the books

2982
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:29,520
Speaker 1: like banned, but they're also trying to like fire or

2983
02:41:29,680 --> 02:41:33,280
Speaker 1: arrest the teachers and school remembers for allowing these books

2984
02:41:33,320 --> 02:41:35,440
Speaker 1: to happen. There has been school members who have like

2985
02:41:35,480 --> 02:41:38,000
Speaker 1: stepped down because of just how much harassment is about

2986
02:41:38,160 --> 02:41:41,920
Speaker 1: these things. Quote from the Western Chapnist channel, Jesus Christ

2987
02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:44,960
Speaker 1: straight up pedophile books in our children's schools. Once again,

2988
02:41:45,000 --> 02:41:46,680
Speaker 1: the Jewish school boar member gets mad and trying to

2989
02:41:46,680 --> 02:41:48,800
Speaker 1: shut them down. How can you not connect the dots here.

2990
02:41:48,879 --> 02:41:51,840
Speaker 1: There's no political solution. Voting will not remove these people. Um.

2991
02:41:52,920 --> 02:41:56,920
Speaker 1: There was the mayor of Houston, uh So, in the

2992
02:41:57,200 --> 02:42:00,920
Speaker 1: mayor of Houston, Ohio heard about this, and he went

2993
02:42:00,959 --> 02:42:03,160
Speaker 1: to a school board meeting and instructed all of them,

2994
02:42:03,200 --> 02:42:06,880
Speaker 1: all of the board members to resign um quoting the

2995
02:42:07,360 --> 02:42:10,320
Speaker 1: quoting the Proud Boy right wing organizing channel Western Chavenista.

2996
02:42:10,560 --> 02:42:12,920
Speaker 1: This comes after some of the degenerate parasites in the

2997
02:42:13,000 --> 02:42:15,760
Speaker 1: system called educators, instructed kids to describe a sex scene

2998
02:42:15,760 --> 02:42:18,280
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't show their mom. Of course this didn't happen.

2999
02:42:18,440 --> 02:42:21,400
Speaker 1: This is this is they these these things are not

3000
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:23,920
Speaker 1: are not These books are not used in any kind

3001
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:26,880
Speaker 1: of curriculum anyway. So even even if they were that

3002
02:42:27,160 --> 02:42:30,800
Speaker 1: that we not even we're not even in that reality. Um. So,

3003
02:42:31,160 --> 02:42:35,800
Speaker 1: the mayor of this town basically got these instructed these

3004
02:42:35,879 --> 02:42:39,320
Speaker 1: instructed all of these people to resign. Um. Earlier, I

3005
02:42:39,360 --> 02:42:43,920
Speaker 1: think in mark No. In August of this year, pride

3006
02:42:43,959 --> 02:42:48,480
Speaker 1: flags were banned at a at a school school district

3007
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:53,039
Speaker 1: inside south west Oregon. Um I think around I think

3008
02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:56,680
Speaker 1: around Newburgh. The Newberg school district banned but banded pride flags.

3009
02:42:56,959 --> 02:42:59,440
Speaker 1: So all this kind of stuff and and of course

3010
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:01,320
Speaker 1: that is in a lot of states. But the yeah,

3011
02:43:01,360 --> 02:43:03,680
Speaker 1: the fact that it's in like Oregon, a blue state

3012
02:43:03,800 --> 02:43:05,800
Speaker 1: is people got made. Like you know, there's like you know,

3013
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:08,400
Speaker 1: NBC articles about it because it's it's Oregon. It's not

3014
02:43:08,480 --> 02:43:10,199
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not it's it's not a red state.

3015
02:43:10,400 --> 02:43:12,800
Speaker 1: So it's all big, it's all Portland, it's all Antifa,

3016
02:43:12,920 --> 02:43:15,520
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, so again the stuff is not not

3017
02:43:16,160 --> 02:43:19,360
Speaker 1: not like contained to one thing. And like yeah, if

3018
02:43:19,400 --> 02:43:22,000
Speaker 1: you google the stuff around these books, if you google

3019
02:43:22,040 --> 02:43:26,240
Speaker 1: like gender Queer Book, uh school boards, you'll find this

3020
02:43:26,480 --> 02:43:29,360
Speaker 1: in so many school districts. You'll see just mobs of

3021
02:43:29,440 --> 02:43:33,880
Speaker 1: people lined up yelling and screaming um and like like

3022
02:43:34,000 --> 02:43:38,560
Speaker 1: printing out giant, like giant cardboard prints of of this

3023
02:43:38,640 --> 02:43:42,560
Speaker 1: comic book showing like like with like you know, there's

3024
02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:44,480
Speaker 1: like a dick on it, Like there's like a drawn

3025
02:43:44,879 --> 02:43:48,040
Speaker 1: a drawn dick, because that's what human bodies look like.

3026
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:51,039
Speaker 1: Like you can look at like a lot of like yeah,

3027
02:43:51,280 --> 02:43:53,160
Speaker 1: like what are you gonna band the statue of David

3028
02:43:53,480 --> 02:43:55,800
Speaker 1: because he has his dick out too, like like come on.

3029
02:43:56,200 --> 02:43:58,760
Speaker 1: And also these are the same people who talk about

3030
02:43:58,840 --> 02:44:02,480
Speaker 1: like oh they're you know, banning books, burning books, you know, right,

3031
02:44:02,520 --> 02:44:04,280
Speaker 1: there was that. There was that tweet from like James

3032
02:44:04,320 --> 02:44:06,840
Speaker 1: Woods about like these are the books that people want banned.

3033
02:44:07,080 --> 02:44:09,040
Speaker 1: That means they're the most important ones. But these people love.

3034
02:44:09,160 --> 02:44:12,080
Speaker 1: These people love like burning books. These people love banning books.

3035
02:44:12,360 --> 02:44:14,840
Speaker 1: They love cancel culture. That the cultures that I was

3036
02:44:15,000 --> 02:44:16,320
Speaker 1: that I was in as a kid, they would have

3037
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:19,400
Speaker 1: like massive like book and like c D and DVD

3038
02:44:19,520 --> 02:44:22,880
Speaker 1: burnings for like unlike unholy and sinful media that you

3039
02:44:22,879 --> 02:44:25,480
Speaker 1: would like bring in and like throw like your sinful

3040
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:28,760
Speaker 1: music onto this giant fight. Like these people love love

3041
02:44:28,840 --> 02:44:31,280
Speaker 1: burning books, they love they love banning stuff, they love

3042
02:44:31,360 --> 02:44:35,959
Speaker 1: cancel culture. Um, but they just laugh about it. Yeah,

3043
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:39,080
Speaker 1: So that was that was most of my stuff around

3044
02:44:39,240 --> 02:44:42,000
Speaker 1: the kind of the ongoing queer and trans stuff. Of course,

3045
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:43,959
Speaker 1: they know this ties into like bathroom stuff as well,

3046
02:44:44,400 --> 02:44:46,360
Speaker 1: with the people showing up to school board meetings to

3047
02:44:46,760 --> 02:44:50,200
Speaker 1: scream about you know, kids going ship in the bathroom

3048
02:44:50,240 --> 02:44:53,760
Speaker 1: that they want to and feel comfortable in. Um, you know,

3049
02:44:53,879 --> 02:44:55,760
Speaker 1: and again like it doesn't it's not gonna stop with

3050
02:44:55,800 --> 02:44:57,920
Speaker 1: trans people either. Right as soon as they banned trans people,

3051
02:44:57,959 --> 02:44:59,920
Speaker 1: the next thing is going to be oh, gay students. Right,

3052
02:45:00,120 --> 02:45:03,560
Speaker 1: this is it never it's never stops, it always keeps going. Um,

3053
02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:06,160
Speaker 1: and it's just an ever present problem that it's gonna

3054
02:45:06,800 --> 02:45:10,000
Speaker 1: require a lot more a lot more dealing with. And

3055
02:45:10,320 --> 02:45:13,440
Speaker 1: again with all of these flash mobs, like no one,

3056
02:45:13,680 --> 02:45:16,320
Speaker 1: no one's gonna stop them because they're like the people

3057
02:45:16,400 --> 02:45:18,400
Speaker 1: in power, they're the people that have all of the privilege.

3058
02:45:18,640 --> 02:45:21,520
Speaker 1: There's no really effective counter organizing for these school board

3059
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:24,360
Speaker 1: meetings right now. Um, the cops aren't gonna do ship.

3060
02:45:24,440 --> 02:45:27,520
Speaker 1: Security guards aren't gonna do ship. Uh And regular libs

3061
02:45:27,800 --> 02:45:30,080
Speaker 1: and regular regular people aren't gonna do sh it either.

3062
02:45:30,160 --> 02:45:33,480
Speaker 1: And it's hard to figure out how to actually combat

3063
02:45:33,600 --> 02:45:35,240
Speaker 1: this because there's a lot of times that the people

3064
02:45:35,280 --> 02:45:37,440
Speaker 1: in school boards really like, no, we don't want this

3065
02:45:37,560 --> 02:45:39,959
Speaker 1: to turn into a giant like fist fights, Like, don't

3066
02:45:40,280 --> 02:45:42,640
Speaker 1: don't come in mass to start fistfighting them. But there

3067
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:45,880
Speaker 1: needs to be something to combat, whether that be you know,

3068
02:45:46,040 --> 02:45:49,000
Speaker 1: running running for school boards, just showing up outside school boards,

3069
02:45:49,200 --> 02:45:53,200
Speaker 1: having just more people there in, having more presence there, uh,

3070
02:45:53,400 --> 02:45:56,240
Speaker 1: so that it's not as overwhelmed by like a mob

3071
02:45:56,320 --> 02:45:58,920
Speaker 1: of two hundred anti mask people showing up. Right. There

3072
02:45:58,959 --> 02:46:03,360
Speaker 1: needs to be some type of thing happening because no

3073
02:46:03,400 --> 02:46:05,960
Speaker 1: one else needs to be countered, And yeah, you know what,

3074
02:46:06,400 --> 02:46:08,160
Speaker 1: they might need to get the ship kicked out of them.

3075
02:46:08,320 --> 02:46:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like I don't like, I don't think

3076
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:13,160
Speaker 1: that would actually help in this instance. Probably, but like

3077
02:46:13,800 --> 02:46:16,879
Speaker 1: they needs to be fucking something like they they are.

3078
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:22,640
Speaker 1: The level of boldness that they have is evidence that

3079
02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:26,680
Speaker 1: they feel they are confident that there is no counter

3080
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:30,039
Speaker 1: to what there is going to be done. And perhaps

3081
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:33,560
Speaker 1: if they were being met by a wall of people

3082
02:46:33,640 --> 02:46:35,960
Speaker 1: in the community who were willing, if they tried to

3083
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:38,560
Speaker 1: force their way into fucking throw down, you know, to say,

3084
02:46:38,600 --> 02:46:41,039
Speaker 1: you're not entering this building without a goddamn mask, you're

3085
02:46:41,040 --> 02:46:44,400
Speaker 1: not shutting down this meeting. Um, I don't know, maybe

3086
02:46:44,440 --> 02:46:46,280
Speaker 1: that would do something. I don't actually know what would

3087
02:46:46,320 --> 02:46:50,039
Speaker 1: do something. If it was people just as regular people,

3088
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:51,959
Speaker 1: I think that would be. Yeah, it's certainly not going

3089
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:54,560
Speaker 1: to help of its antifa. Um, for the love of God,

3090
02:46:54,879 --> 02:46:57,240
Speaker 1: don't show up in fucking black block at a school

3091
02:46:57,280 --> 02:47:00,400
Speaker 1: board meeting. Um, Like what would work is a bunch

3092
02:47:00,440 --> 02:47:03,400
Speaker 1: of other middle aged parents showing up and being willing

3093
02:47:03,480 --> 02:47:07,680
Speaker 1: to confront these people, and like everything that is worth

3094
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:09,720
Speaker 1: mentioning is that a lot of the people at these

3095
02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:13,600
Speaker 1: protests like are not parents at all, Like they're not

3096
02:47:13,600 --> 02:47:15,240
Speaker 1: they're not they're not eve from the same school district.

3097
02:47:15,240 --> 02:47:17,879
Speaker 1: They're just sort of like this this is just how

3098
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:20,920
Speaker 1: this is just how the sort of right wing outrage

3099
02:47:20,959 --> 02:47:24,640
Speaker 1: machine has worked. This is where they're drawing people. Yeah,

3100
02:47:24,760 --> 02:47:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean and again, like it's it's a lot of

3101
02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:29,640
Speaker 1: the people and there there's gonna be big dudes who

3102
02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:31,320
Speaker 1: want to fight, but a lot of the people like

3103
02:47:31,520 --> 02:47:34,720
Speaker 1: screaming are are like you know, middle aged women. The

3104
02:47:34,760 --> 02:47:36,480
Speaker 1: people who are like really like leading the charge on

3105
02:47:36,560 --> 02:47:40,040
Speaker 1: this because they're able to use their privilege because like

3106
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:41,720
Speaker 1: no one's gonna stop them, right, So that that's like

3107
02:47:41,959 --> 02:47:44,840
Speaker 1: when they're leading the charge of two people who are

3108
02:47:44,959 --> 02:47:48,039
Speaker 1: gonna like scream and harass and chase how black security

3109
02:47:48,080 --> 02:47:51,200
Speaker 1: guards chase out, chase out the all of this, all

3110
02:47:51,240 --> 02:47:54,720
Speaker 1: the school remembers no one's they're they're very effective at

3111
02:47:54,800 --> 02:47:58,080
Speaker 1: using their privilege to gain political ground by just like

3112
02:47:58,240 --> 02:47:59,720
Speaker 1: doing stuff on the ground. It's like, you know, this

3113
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:01,320
Speaker 1: is like this is like the January six thing. It's

3114
02:48:01,360 --> 02:48:03,160
Speaker 1: like the January six thing. This is the new future

3115
02:48:03,160 --> 02:48:05,840
Speaker 1: of political action is just showing up in mass two

3116
02:48:05,959 --> 02:48:09,160
Speaker 1: places where no one's gonna stop you because you're like

3117
02:48:09,320 --> 02:48:13,360
Speaker 1: you're the you know, the good, relatable, you know every

3118
02:48:13,440 --> 02:48:18,320
Speaker 1: day Yeah, you're anyway, That's that's the stuff I had.

3119
02:48:18,680 --> 02:48:21,440
Speaker 1: Will probably have an ad break and then talk about

3120
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:26,160
Speaker 1: maybe some of how this stuff started. Speaking of using

3121
02:48:26,240 --> 02:48:31,600
Speaker 1: your privilege, you know, what is the greatest privilege? Being

3122
02:48:31,640 --> 02:48:34,800
Speaker 1: able to purchase the products that Yeah, that's exactly right.

3123
02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:38,440
Speaker 1: There's no privilege higher than being able to engage with

3124
02:48:39,080 --> 02:48:46,040
Speaker 1: these consumables. Yeah, and we're back, all right, Chris, you

3125
02:48:46,120 --> 02:48:48,120
Speaker 1: want to close this out. Yeah, So the last thing

3126
02:48:48,160 --> 02:48:51,000
Speaker 1: I want to talk about that is interesting about this

3127
02:48:51,080 --> 02:48:52,920
Speaker 1: whole thing is, you know, we we've we've mostly been

3128
02:48:52,959 --> 02:48:56,720
Speaker 1: focusing on the very furthest right elements of this, but

3129
02:48:57,320 --> 02:49:01,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the school board stuff is tied to

3130
02:49:02,200 --> 02:49:05,160
Speaker 1: i mean just trade, a Republican party operatives and people

3131
02:49:05,200 --> 02:49:07,640
Speaker 1: who work in this sort of you know, I mean

3132
02:49:07,800 --> 02:49:09,240
Speaker 1: there's there's literally a bunch of people who work for

3133
02:49:09,280 --> 02:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Republican parties will get into it, and there's also this

3134
02:49:11,000 --> 02:49:14,520
Speaker 1: sort of network of of Republican think tanks, Republicans sort

3135
02:49:14,560 --> 02:49:17,520
Speaker 1: of dark money dumps. That's a lot of a lot

3136
02:49:17,520 --> 02:49:20,000
Speaker 1: of AstroTurf groups and that kind of stuff. Yeah, and

3137
02:49:20,160 --> 02:49:22,000
Speaker 1: and so I want to talk about a few of

3138
02:49:22,040 --> 02:49:27,000
Speaker 1: these people because I think they're interesting. Um, I think

3139
02:49:27,040 --> 02:49:30,000
Speaker 1: we can start with Nicole Nelly, who's an interesting person.

3140
02:49:30,440 --> 02:49:34,600
Speaker 1: She's so she she most recently founded Parents Defending Education.

3141
02:49:34,760 --> 02:49:36,760
Speaker 1: Who are They're They're one of the big groups to

3142
02:49:36,920 --> 02:49:39,960
Speaker 1: sort of like spreads this this sort of attack on

3143
02:49:40,040 --> 02:49:42,280
Speaker 1: school board stuff over the country. They have chapters, they

3144
02:49:42,360 --> 02:49:44,560
Speaker 1: organize people, and they also, you know, they do this

3145
02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:47,880
Speaker 1: thing where they collect co incident reports from from school

3146
02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:49,960
Speaker 1: districts that they you know, just distribute to all these

3147
02:49:49,959 --> 02:49:51,560
Speaker 1: people and they put it online. They have all of

3148
02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:55,840
Speaker 1: these they they they have a lot of stuff they do.

3149
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:58,160
Speaker 1: They do a lot of anti mask mandate stuff. So

3150
02:49:58,200 --> 02:50:00,960
Speaker 1: they have these like template letters, like template like fakely

3151
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:03,280
Speaker 1: performed letter things that you can send to schools that

3152
02:50:03,320 --> 02:50:04,480
Speaker 1: if you don't want to wear a masks that is

3153
02:50:05,000 --> 02:50:07,360
Speaker 1: that's a staple of this type of organizing. Now. Yeah,

3154
02:50:07,480 --> 02:50:09,760
Speaker 1: and and the interesting thing about Nickolenelly is that so

3155
02:50:09,920 --> 02:50:13,000
Speaker 1: this is not like her first organ like three years

3156
02:50:13,560 --> 02:50:19,520
Speaker 1: eighteen back in the Halcyon days of all right, you know,

3157
02:50:20,120 --> 02:50:22,800
Speaker 1: I'm not quite going to say it was before the

3158
02:50:22,879 --> 02:50:24,680
Speaker 1: mask fully came off, but it was well, the mask

3159
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:27,199
Speaker 1: was like a little bit more on. She she previously

3160
02:50:27,440 --> 02:50:30,760
Speaker 1: founded a speech first Yeah you might remember, yeah as

3161
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:33,240
Speaker 1: the Republic when free speech was the big talking point.

3162
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and so she ran that

3163
02:50:35,720 --> 02:50:38,520
Speaker 1: for a while. Now she's you know, organizing with the

3164
02:50:38,520 --> 02:50:41,400
Speaker 1: holy people who just wants to Yeah, they just move on,

3165
02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:43,480
Speaker 1: they move on to the new things. It was it

3166
02:50:43,560 --> 02:50:46,280
Speaker 1: was free speech, it was christ theory. Right now it's

3167
02:50:46,560 --> 02:50:49,320
Speaker 1: anti mask stuff. Next up is gonna be trans stuff

3168
02:50:49,400 --> 02:50:54,040
Speaker 1: going real hard. Just today we had the fucking person

3169
02:50:54,120 --> 02:50:59,080
Speaker 1: who BBC platforms the fucking lincum. Yeah, Lily the rapist

3170
02:50:59,240 --> 02:51:04,000
Speaker 1: Lily Kade manifesto where she details which specific trans women

3171
02:51:04,080 --> 02:51:07,960
Speaker 1: she wants to personally kill. Yeah, I used to know

3172
02:51:08,120 --> 02:51:13,760
Speaker 1: Lily um. Oh yeah yeah yeah, uh real dark turned Um.

3173
02:51:13,920 --> 02:51:15,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's not super surprising. She

3174
02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:19,520
Speaker 1: was definitely interviewed her for a documentary and it was

3175
02:51:20,160 --> 02:51:22,480
Speaker 1: she was a bit off putting. Uh, I didn't realize

3176
02:51:22,520 --> 02:51:24,360
Speaker 1: this was going on. I mean, yeah, there's there's a

3177
02:51:24,400 --> 02:51:26,640
Speaker 1: lot of a lot a lot of reports of people

3178
02:51:26,760 --> 02:51:29,680
Speaker 1: in like the sex book industry of talking about her,

3179
02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:33,520
Speaker 1: like raping people in bathrooms, which again it's like, yeah,

3180
02:51:33,600 --> 02:51:36,200
Speaker 1: the people that's always screaming about oh no trans women

3181
02:51:36,280 --> 02:51:38,240
Speaker 1: or in bathrooms. Yeah, the people the person screaming about

3182
02:51:38,280 --> 02:51:41,600
Speaker 1: this is an actual rapist. Like like when when when

3183
02:51:41,640 --> 02:51:44,480
Speaker 1: we say rapists here like she she she raped so

3184
02:51:44,600 --> 02:51:48,120
Speaker 1: many people that, like on Twitter, like I was scrolling

3185
02:51:48,160 --> 02:51:50,400
Speaker 1: through my feet and I saw multiple people who were like, oh,

3186
02:51:50,480 --> 02:51:53,480
Speaker 1: I know this person she assaulted me. Yeah, it's really bad.

3187
02:51:53,560 --> 02:51:55,640
Speaker 1: The people who the turfs are like pushing. Yeah, this

3188
02:51:55,720 --> 02:51:59,279
Speaker 1: is the BBC was platform. So like, yeah, like trans

3189
02:51:59,320 --> 02:52:01,480
Speaker 1: stuff is as soon as as soon as the anti

3190
02:52:01,560 --> 02:52:04,800
Speaker 1: mask anti vax stuff like dies down in the next

3191
02:52:05,280 --> 02:52:08,440
Speaker 1: five months or whatever. Uh I I foresee a massive

3192
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:12,800
Speaker 1: pivot towards specifically anti anti trans antiqueer antique stuff because

3193
02:52:12,840 --> 02:52:15,800
Speaker 1: that's going to be the new thing. Yep. And and

3194
02:52:15,920 --> 02:52:17,640
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's worth bearing in mind that

3195
02:52:18,120 --> 02:52:20,720
Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, and you know, with with the Coldnelly specifically,

3196
02:52:21,000 --> 02:52:23,720
Speaker 1: so she she worked she like worked at the Cato Institute,

3197
02:52:24,120 --> 02:52:26,680
Speaker 1: which is like Murray Rothbart and Charles Cokes. Now it's

3198
02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:30,120
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's it's it's basically it's basically this is

3199
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:32,440
Speaker 1: a slight oversupplication, but it's basically one of the cokes

3200
02:52:32,480 --> 02:52:35,760
Speaker 1: sort of like money laundering like money operation things. She

3201
02:52:35,800 --> 02:52:39,760
Speaker 1: also worked at Freedom Works, who oh yeah, yeah this

3202
02:52:39,879 --> 02:52:41,640
Speaker 1: is great. So um this is this is one of

3203
02:52:41,680 --> 02:52:44,120
Speaker 1: the fun parts of this which is that so freedom

3204
02:52:44,160 --> 02:52:46,520
Speaker 1: Works is another one of the Coke's sort of dark

3205
02:52:46,600 --> 02:52:50,720
Speaker 1: money laundering machine things. And Freedom Works are basically the

3206
02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:52,800
Speaker 1: people who created the Tea Party. Like there are the

3207
02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:55,080
Speaker 1: people who turned the Tea Party from like a bunch

3208
02:52:55,160 --> 02:52:58,560
Speaker 1: of weird guy just like like six weirdos into like,

3209
02:52:59,560 --> 02:53:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, the the basically the the the the entirety

3210
02:53:03,360 --> 02:53:06,119
Speaker 1: of the pre Trump conservative political machine who like built

3211
02:53:06,120 --> 02:53:08,760
Speaker 1: a Republican party after it was like completely discredited, um

3212
02:53:08,920 --> 02:53:12,520
Speaker 1: into two thousand's. And this is true of a lot

3213
02:53:12,640 --> 02:53:14,640
Speaker 1: of the people who are in charge of these big

3214
02:53:14,840 --> 02:53:18,840
Speaker 1: organs have connections like this. Um, the person you found

3215
02:53:18,879 --> 02:53:23,360
Speaker 1: in No Left Turn, which is No Left Turn know

3216
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:25,200
Speaker 1: for an education, They're they're they're they're not one of

3217
02:53:25,240 --> 02:53:26,960
Speaker 1: these big sort of anti school board things. I mean

3218
02:53:27,040 --> 02:53:28,760
Speaker 1: they they are the people. They're one of people who

3219
02:53:28,879 --> 02:53:30,560
Speaker 1: like they have a list of books on their website

3220
02:53:30,560 --> 02:53:34,400
Speaker 1: that they want banned. Wow. Yeah it's great. And their

3221
02:53:34,480 --> 02:53:38,879
Speaker 1: founder rights for the Heritage foundations like magazine. So they're there,

3222
02:53:39,000 --> 02:53:41,840
Speaker 1: there's there's all of this stuff, and I think maybe

3223
02:53:41,879 --> 02:53:43,920
Speaker 1: the most implematic one is this guy is Mark Ruffo,

3224
02:53:44,040 --> 02:53:48,400
Speaker 1: who Yeah, so so he's he's the guy who just

3225
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:50,840
Speaker 1: created the whole critical race theory thing out of nothing.

3226
02:53:51,400 --> 02:53:55,280
Speaker 1: He like threw together a bunch of like inc just

3227
02:53:55,400 --> 02:53:59,120
Speaker 1: like these incredibly tenuous connections. Like there's a bunch of

3228
02:53:59,200 --> 02:54:04,520
Speaker 1: sort of old uh cultural Marxism conspiracy stuff in there. Yeah,

3229
02:54:04,560 --> 02:54:07,840
Speaker 1: it's a lot of like Frankfurt's school type ship. Yeah yeah,

3230
02:54:07,959 --> 02:54:10,120
Speaker 1: and and but but what I think is interesting about him,

3231
02:54:10,160 --> 02:54:14,360
Speaker 1: it's less his ideas, which are just pseudo intellectual. Yeah,

3232
02:54:14,440 --> 02:54:16,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't he's not actually super smart in what he

3233
02:54:16,959 --> 02:54:18,840
Speaker 1: says that there's a lot of videos of him talking

3234
02:54:18,879 --> 02:54:22,520
Speaker 1: to actual philosopher is getting schooled about what rice theory is. Like,

3235
02:54:22,600 --> 02:54:25,119
Speaker 1: he's actually not that intelligent in this in this side

3236
02:54:25,120 --> 02:54:27,080
Speaker 1: of things. But but you know that the thing is

3237
02:54:27,160 --> 02:54:29,640
Speaker 1: that there's nothing more dangerous than an idiot with a

3238
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:32,120
Speaker 1: trick up his sleeve, exactly. And you know, and then

3239
02:54:32,680 --> 02:54:35,320
Speaker 1: the trick basically is Fox News. And you know, the

3240
02:54:35,360 --> 02:54:37,320
Speaker 1: reason the reason this whole thing exists is that this

3241
02:54:37,560 --> 02:54:41,680
Speaker 1: was you know, Mark Ruffo. He's very very explicit about

3242
02:54:41,680 --> 02:54:43,440
Speaker 1: this that this this, this was his solution to the

3243
02:54:43,879 --> 02:54:46,720
Speaker 1: George Floyd up rising. Yea, was that, oh, we we

3244
02:54:46,760 --> 02:54:48,160
Speaker 1: need we need to we need to find this thing

3245
02:54:48,280 --> 02:54:50,360
Speaker 1: to stop the medicum of this uprising. And this is

3246
02:54:50,440 --> 02:54:52,200
Speaker 1: this is who Tucker Carlson brings on and starts bring

3247
02:54:52,280 --> 02:54:54,920
Speaker 1: onwenty and this blows up. He immediately gets hired by

3248
02:54:55,640 --> 02:54:58,080
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Institute, which is a very not that old

3249
02:54:58,120 --> 02:55:00,400
Speaker 1: but there from the eighties, but a very an old,

3250
02:55:00,520 --> 02:55:03,800
Speaker 1: extremely powerful conservative think tank that I don't think. I

3251
02:55:03,840 --> 02:55:06,640
Speaker 1: think it's less known than things like the Heritage Foundation

3252
02:55:07,080 --> 02:55:08,920
Speaker 1: or the kid who wants to Yeah, I would say

3253
02:55:08,959 --> 02:55:11,960
Speaker 1: so yeah. But he gets they hired him like immediately

3254
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:14,760
Speaker 1: because you know, the sort of mainline at the Republican

3255
02:55:14,800 --> 02:55:17,440
Speaker 1: Party very quickly is like, this is the thing that

3256
02:55:17,560 --> 02:55:19,840
Speaker 1: we can use as like a hammer, right, and so

3257
02:55:19,920 --> 02:55:23,320
Speaker 1: the Manhattan Institute publishes this roop o work for them. Now.

3258
02:55:23,360 --> 02:55:27,080
Speaker 1: I can't I'm not actually sure if you. I don't

3259
02:55:27,120 --> 02:55:29,080
Speaker 1: know if he specifically wrote this or he was just

3260
02:55:29,240 --> 02:55:32,200
Speaker 1: involved in it. I think it's it's the bye line

3261
02:55:32,280 --> 02:55:34,600
Speaker 1: is just the Manhattan Institute. But they have this incredibly

3262
02:55:34,680 --> 02:55:39,000
Speaker 1: detailed tool kit explaining how you know, both both explaining

3263
02:55:39,120 --> 02:55:42,840
Speaker 1: what the sort of right wing like line on critical

3264
02:55:42,920 --> 02:55:44,800
Speaker 1: race theory is. And they have like a bunch of explainers,

3265
02:55:44,840 --> 02:55:48,240
Speaker 1: have like list of terms have you ever seen Yeah, yeah,

3266
02:55:48,600 --> 02:55:50,280
Speaker 1: it's actually yeah, if you've ever seen like list of

3267
02:55:50,360 --> 02:55:52,280
Speaker 1: terms of people want banned, Like it's all just pulled

3268
02:55:52,320 --> 02:55:55,600
Speaker 1: from this document, right, so I add stuff. Um, But

3269
02:55:55,720 --> 02:55:57,200
Speaker 1: but the interesting part of about this is the other

3270
02:55:57,280 --> 02:55:59,280
Speaker 1: thing is this this is an organizing manual, right, It's

3271
02:55:59,360 --> 02:56:01,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a thing that tells you how to go

3272
02:56:01,360 --> 02:56:03,680
Speaker 1: and how to find other people, like other other people.

3273
02:56:04,040 --> 02:56:05,800
Speaker 1: You know, if if you're like an incensed right wing

3274
02:56:06,040 --> 02:56:08,320
Speaker 1: like freaking one of these school districts, It's like, okay,

3275
02:56:08,360 --> 02:56:11,080
Speaker 1: well here's here's how you like talk to other people

3276
02:56:11,120 --> 02:56:13,680
Speaker 1: in your districts. Here's here's a list of options of

3277
02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:16,960
Speaker 1: like things you can do going public. And then there's

3278
02:56:17,000 --> 02:56:19,120
Speaker 1: a very interesting thing part of this that that I

3279
02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:23,600
Speaker 1: think is really disturbing and outlines like really what's going

3280
02:56:23,640 --> 02:56:26,440
Speaker 1: on here, which is there's this whole like freak out

3281
02:56:26,520 --> 02:56:29,280
Speaker 1: thing about this thing called minority rule, where like, oh,

3282
02:56:29,400 --> 02:56:31,680
Speaker 1: the left has this like they have this like militant

3283
02:56:31,760 --> 02:56:34,520
Speaker 1: minority that that will compel the majority to follow them

3284
02:56:34,680 --> 02:56:37,920
Speaker 1: by because they keep on showing up and they keep

3285
02:56:37,920 --> 02:56:41,920
Speaker 1: on doing things. And if if this minority like it keeps,

3286
02:56:42,040 --> 02:56:45,480
Speaker 1: keep keeps, you know, being more in transient than everyone else,

3287
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:49,360
Speaker 1: then they will inevitably win. And this the three quarters

3288
02:56:49,400 --> 02:56:51,400
Speaker 1: of this section is this like weird fear mongering thing

3289
02:56:51,440 --> 02:56:53,920
Speaker 1: about it. But then the last part of it is

3290
02:56:53,959 --> 02:56:55,360
Speaker 1: a bunch is the thing us saying, oh, we need

3291
02:56:55,400 --> 02:56:57,200
Speaker 1: to do this ourselves, right, this is how we win.

3292
02:56:57,320 --> 02:56:59,080
Speaker 1: We win by being more in transient. We win by

3293
02:56:59,120 --> 02:57:01,240
Speaker 1: showing up more often of course. Yeah, and you know,

3294
02:57:01,320 --> 02:57:02,600
Speaker 1: and this is this is the other thing is this

3295
02:57:02,720 --> 02:57:06,360
Speaker 1: is from like last year. I think this is like

3296
02:57:06,640 --> 02:57:09,720
Speaker 1: the kid this summer. Yeah, okay, that's sorry. This is

3297
02:57:09,800 --> 02:57:11,120
Speaker 1: this is one. Yeah, this is really the ship. But

3298
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:14,360
Speaker 1: it's interesting because it's like this is the sort of

3299
02:57:14,920 --> 02:57:18,520
Speaker 1: you know this, this is this is the Republican Party essentially,

3300
02:57:18,560 --> 02:57:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean institute, very very mainstre Republican Party. This, yeah,

3301
02:57:21,320 --> 02:57:23,680
Speaker 1: this is this is how they do aspective in person organizing.

3302
02:57:23,720 --> 02:57:26,200
Speaker 1: We we talked about this a bit in our episodes

3303
02:57:26,600 --> 02:57:29,680
Speaker 1: um about the like in the aftermath of the abortion ruling,

3304
02:57:29,760 --> 02:57:32,240
Speaker 1: in Texas and how and how like the religious righting

3305
02:57:32,360 --> 02:57:35,320
Speaker 1: organizing has worked in local districts. Yeah, this, this is

3306
02:57:35,360 --> 02:57:36,760
Speaker 1: how they are able to get things done, which is

3307
02:57:36,800 --> 02:57:38,720
Speaker 1: why there's been so many school by members who either

3308
02:57:38,760 --> 02:57:41,000
Speaker 1: got fired, who have had to step down, who have

3309
02:57:41,240 --> 02:57:44,119
Speaker 1: been harassed off the job, and are now there's people,

3310
02:57:44,200 --> 02:57:46,240
Speaker 1: you know a lot of a lot of like people

3311
02:57:46,280 --> 02:57:49,640
Speaker 1: I would describe as people holding very extreme views are

3312
02:57:49,720 --> 02:57:53,080
Speaker 1: now running and taking these spots um because if you

3313
02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:54,880
Speaker 1: can do if you can do this type of like

3314
02:57:54,959 --> 02:57:57,560
Speaker 1: again it's not grassroots, but it's it's it is it

3315
02:57:57,720 --> 02:58:00,160
Speaker 1: is like astroturp, so like it appears grassroots. But if

3316
02:58:00,160 --> 02:58:02,680
Speaker 1: can do this type of like fox grassroots organizing, you

3317
02:58:02,760 --> 02:58:04,880
Speaker 1: can gain a lot of power over specific areas and

3318
02:58:05,000 --> 02:58:07,640
Speaker 1: make a lot of people's lives a lot more miserable.

3319
02:58:07,800 --> 02:58:09,560
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's what the goal is, right, the

3320
02:58:09,600 --> 02:58:12,320
Speaker 1: goal is to make trans kids lives miserable. The goals

3321
02:58:12,360 --> 02:58:14,640
Speaker 1: they get people to not wear masks and dive of

3322
02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:18,760
Speaker 1: COVID like that those are the results of these actions. Well,

3323
02:58:18,800 --> 02:58:22,360
Speaker 1: I think I think there's an interesting interplay here though,

3324
02:58:22,480 --> 02:58:25,280
Speaker 1: because I think because so freedom works, like like even

3325
02:58:25,360 --> 02:58:27,480
Speaker 1: even a lot of the specific protests that are happening.

3326
02:58:27,920 --> 02:58:30,160
Speaker 1: And this is especially true of of the very earlier,

3327
02:58:30,400 --> 02:58:32,840
Speaker 1: earliest ones. I think like when when like the very

3328
02:58:32,959 --> 02:58:35,360
Speaker 1: first school board protests that were happening. Yeah, like like

3329
02:58:35,440 --> 02:58:38,320
Speaker 1: a lot of these summer to follow was when they

3330
02:58:38,320 --> 02:58:40,760
Speaker 1: started to start up. Yeah, and and those a lot

3331
02:58:40,879 --> 02:58:43,560
Speaker 1: of those were directly organized by by people who work

3332
02:58:43,600 --> 02:58:46,880
Speaker 1: for Freedom Works. And and this is this is what

3333
02:58:47,000 --> 02:58:48,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the c RT ones yeah, yeah, yeah,

3334
02:58:48,879 --> 02:58:51,640
Speaker 1: they see the CRT one very specifically freedom works. And

3335
02:58:51,800 --> 02:58:53,160
Speaker 1: this is what I think is interesting about this is

3336
02:58:53,240 --> 02:58:55,520
Speaker 1: that you know, okay, freedom works. It's like, okay, so

3337
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:57,320
Speaker 1: what does freedom works out of this? Freedom Works wants

3338
02:58:57,320 --> 02:59:00,160
Speaker 1: the T party again, right, because you know this, this

3339
02:59:00,240 --> 02:59:02,160
Speaker 1: is what freedom Works does. Right there. They're they're they're

3340
02:59:02,200 --> 02:59:04,280
Speaker 1: basically the group that comes in when when the Republicans

3341
02:59:04,320 --> 02:59:06,160
Speaker 1: start losing election cycles. They're like, Okay, well now we

3342
02:59:06,240 --> 02:59:08,000
Speaker 1: need to get the balance of power back, we need

3343
02:59:08,040 --> 02:59:09,879
Speaker 1: to bring drawn the Democrats out. So they're they're they're

3344
02:59:10,360 --> 02:59:13,280
Speaker 1: largely trying to build a sort of electoral base. And

3345
02:59:13,440 --> 02:59:15,040
Speaker 1: and again like this, this this will look familiar to

3346
02:59:15,080 --> 02:59:17,240
Speaker 1: people who remember two thousand and ten because it's the

3347
02:59:17,280 --> 02:59:21,280
Speaker 1: same thing, except And this is the thing that I

3348
02:59:21,480 --> 02:59:23,039
Speaker 1: I I this is the part where I genuinely they

3349
02:59:23,080 --> 02:59:27,279
Speaker 1: can't tell whether the Freedom Works people, whether the Cokes,

3350
02:59:27,360 --> 02:59:30,160
Speaker 1: whether that, whether this sort of dark wning network either

3351
02:59:30,280 --> 02:59:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't tell whether they understand what they're

3352
02:59:32,200 --> 02:59:36,960
Speaker 1: doing and like it or they're just incredibly naive. But

3353
02:59:37,160 --> 02:59:39,640
Speaker 1: you know this is not two thousand ten, right, You

3354
02:59:39,800 --> 02:59:44,080
Speaker 1: can't when when when you start mobilizing people like mobilizing

3355
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:45,920
Speaker 1: people on the right wing to go to a place,

3356
02:59:46,400 --> 02:59:48,720
Speaker 1: they don't just like sit there and hold signs anymore.

3357
02:59:48,920 --> 02:59:52,280
Speaker 1: They cannot you cannot contain them at this point. You

3358
02:59:52,360 --> 02:59:55,480
Speaker 1: cannot control the spread like you have once you've you've

3359
02:59:55,560 --> 02:59:57,880
Speaker 1: opened this can, and there's no way of putting them

3360
02:59:57,879 --> 03:00:00,040
Speaker 1: back in because as soon as they start organized is

3361
03:00:00,080 --> 03:00:03,400
Speaker 1: it on appside telegram, they're one step away from skull masks.

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Speaker 1: And then they're being okay with cheering around people that

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03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:08,960
Speaker 1: are going to go beat up that are going to

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03:00:09,000 --> 03:00:10,960
Speaker 1: go beat up people in these meetings. Yeah, And this

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03:00:11,120 --> 03:00:13,480
Speaker 1: is this is this is really the thing that I

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Speaker 1: think it's not just January six that we live in

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Speaker 1: the shadow January six, but it's also about you know,

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03:00:17,800 --> 03:00:19,920
Speaker 1: if you look at how how the anti lockdown protest

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03:00:20,040 --> 03:00:22,560
Speaker 1: went in. Right, you have a bunch of people showing

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03:00:22,640 --> 03:00:26,440
Speaker 1: up with guns the capitals and that stuff was extremely effective.

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03:00:26,520 --> 03:00:29,120
Speaker 1: And that in the conformation between that in January six

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03:00:29,879 --> 03:00:32,960
Speaker 1: has you know, it's open the floodgates and now that

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03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:35,320
Speaker 1: was that was to January six being possible. Is the

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03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:38,760
Speaker 1: more and more protests around capitals of people showing up

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03:00:38,760 --> 03:00:41,560
Speaker 1: in mass to overwhelm anyone. And because they're all white,

3376
03:00:41,640 --> 03:00:43,840
Speaker 1: because they're all like middle class conservatives, no one's gonna

3377
03:00:43,840 --> 03:00:46,240
Speaker 1: stop them. Yeah, and and you know, and this is

3378
03:00:46,320 --> 03:00:51,959
Speaker 1: the thing, right, you know, the Cokes. I I genuinely

3379
03:00:52,040 --> 03:00:54,760
Speaker 1: don't know what the Cokes want out of this. My

3380
03:00:54,879 --> 03:00:56,600
Speaker 1: guess is that the thing that they want is a

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03:00:56,640 --> 03:00:58,720
Speaker 1: new based Republican voters. But that's not what they're creating.

3382
03:00:58,760 --> 03:01:00,680
Speaker 1: The thing that they're creating is a new core fascist

3383
03:01:00,680 --> 03:01:04,440
Speaker 1: street fighters. And you know it, at some point, it

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03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:07,400
Speaker 1: doesn't it literally doesn't matter whether or not this is

3385
03:01:07,440 --> 03:01:09,280
Speaker 1: what the coachs are trying to do or like not

3386
03:01:09,480 --> 03:01:12,760
Speaker 1: trying to do, because they're in the end it's it's

3387
03:01:12,840 --> 03:01:15,680
Speaker 1: just pushing people towards thinking there's no political solution. It's

3388
03:01:15,720 --> 03:01:19,800
Speaker 1: still only only violence. And overwhelming people in mass is

3389
03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:21,800
Speaker 1: the only way to get the change that they want.

3390
03:01:22,320 --> 03:01:26,960
Speaker 1: The change they want is to have trans kids not exists.

3391
03:01:27,200 --> 03:01:31,640
Speaker 1: And yeah, just more, more and more like fascistic policies. Um,

3392
03:01:31,760 --> 03:01:34,360
Speaker 1: whether that be you know, banning books that mentioned gay

3393
03:01:34,440 --> 03:01:36,520
Speaker 1: people existing or what it's like to be a gay person,

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03:01:36,920 --> 03:01:40,120
Speaker 1: whether that be teaching people that racism is still an

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03:01:40,120 --> 03:01:43,400
Speaker 1: actual thing that exists, or that be putting a mask

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03:01:43,520 --> 03:01:47,440
Speaker 1: on so you don't kill your grandma or whatever. Yep. Well,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and I think I think one last thing, right,

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03:01:50,000 --> 03:01:52,280
Speaker 1: you know, we saw what happened last time they were

3399
03:01:52,320 --> 03:01:57,240
Speaker 1: in power, right, and it was you know, and like

3400
03:01:57,480 --> 03:01:59,320
Speaker 1: you can you can talk about how a lot of

3401
03:01:59,360 --> 03:02:01,400
Speaker 1: the worst stuff were still happening. Was like, yeah, they

3402
03:02:01,440 --> 03:02:04,800
Speaker 1: put a bunch of people in concentration camps. Right, and

3403
03:02:05,600 --> 03:02:08,160
Speaker 1: if they if they take back power again, and there's

3404
03:02:08,200 --> 03:02:10,280
Speaker 1: a good chance that they're going to because you know,

3405
03:02:10,520 --> 03:02:15,400
Speaker 1: the Democrats are being they they you know, the Democrats

3406
03:02:15,480 --> 03:02:16,879
Speaker 1: never want to be in power. The thing they want

3407
03:02:16,879 --> 03:02:20,000
Speaker 1: to be minority opposition so they can do fundraising, right,

3408
03:02:21,560 --> 03:02:23,800
Speaker 1: and if you know, when when when these people, if

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03:02:23,840 --> 03:02:26,320
Speaker 1: these people take power again, it's going to be even

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Speaker 1: worse than it was last time. Yeah, the thing looking

3411
03:02:28,760 --> 03:02:30,880
Speaker 1: at looking at the Virginia election the night of recording

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03:02:30,959 --> 03:02:34,000
Speaker 1: is a great example of that. Yeah uh In terms

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03:02:34,040 --> 03:02:35,840
Speaker 1: of yeah, it turns out when Democrats just do nothing

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03:02:36,080 --> 03:02:38,360
Speaker 1: and just sit around in office, you don't convince young

3415
03:02:38,400 --> 03:02:40,080
Speaker 1: people to want to vote for them because they're not

3416
03:02:40,120 --> 03:02:42,240
Speaker 1: actually doing anything. So then they just sit out. Then

3417
03:02:42,280 --> 03:02:45,200
Speaker 1: the Republicans actually do vote in people, then we get

3418
03:02:45,480 --> 03:02:49,600
Speaker 1: uh we anti CRT person elected to be the governor

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Speaker 1: of Virginia. And that's the episode. Good times. Well, I

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03:02:56,440 --> 03:03:00,440
Speaker 1: hope everybody's optimistic feeling nice. Well, um, we'll be back

3421
03:03:00,480 --> 03:03:03,480
Speaker 1: with something else. Research your school boards, who's in it,

3422
03:03:03,800 --> 03:03:06,680
Speaker 1: and just protests around it and maybe show up with

3423
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:10,800
Speaker 1: some of your I don't know buddies with your lattes

3424
03:03:10,840 --> 03:03:12,760
Speaker 1: and stand in front of the building and be like, no,

3425
03:03:12,920 --> 03:03:14,760
Speaker 1: we don't want you, we don't want you to shut

3426
03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:17,120
Speaker 1: stuff down because no one else is going to stop them.

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03:03:17,240 --> 03:03:20,480
Speaker 1: It has to be just like regular people. You can't cops,

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03:03:20,560 --> 03:03:22,960
Speaker 1: it's not going to be any elected democrat and honestly,

3429
03:03:23,040 --> 03:03:25,320
Speaker 1: like you can't rely on teens and black block to

3430
03:03:25,400 --> 03:03:27,640
Speaker 1: do this. That is this isn't this isn't what they

3431
03:03:27,800 --> 03:03:30,200
Speaker 1: need to be doing. It should be like yeah, it'd

3432
03:03:30,240 --> 03:03:32,880
Speaker 1: be like millennials and Gen X need to be like, Hey, no,

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03:03:33,160 --> 03:03:37,119
Speaker 1: we're not gonna We're not gonna have you doing this. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the episode. Hey, we'll be back Monday,

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Speaker 1: with more episodes every week from now until the heat

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Speaker 1: death of the Universe. It Could Happen Here is a

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Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from cool

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Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com,

3439
03:04:04,160 --> 03:04:05,920
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3440
03:04:05,959 --> 03:04:09,280
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Speaker 1: find sources for It Could Happen Here, updated monthly at

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