Speaker 1: On today's episode of Take of the Draft podcast, Fred
Speaker 1: smoot is our special guest.
Speaker 2: At list top Cup of Special List.
Speaker 1: That's right, we're talking safeties, cornerbacks, all the dbs. Fred
Speaker 1: gives you what he's looking for when he's watching film.
Speaker 1: We talked Travis Hunter wide receiver dB and then number
Speaker 1: Fred's number one defensive back might surprise you.
Speaker 2: It all starts right now.
Speaker 3: Welcome Innute Tick of the Draft Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with just the guy Jason, and
Speaker 1: today is a special day because we have the mouth
Speaker 1: of the South, Fred smoot and we're here talking defensive backs.
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Speaker 1: now that that housekeeping is taken care of.
Speaker 4: Fred Smootie, Now he got comedy this time of year.
Speaker 4: What do I tell you when I get it to
Speaker 4: my zine? All right, when I get into this this
Speaker 4: draft process, when the computer store what to work and
Speaker 4: still have to compute, I go by smoothy mcshae moody.
Speaker 3: I want to write that down smoothie mix shade. I
Speaker 3: thought was uh Fred Kuiper.
Speaker 4: And you know, the one thing about Kayper is he's
Speaker 4: just like the local weather man. Uh he's wrong most
Speaker 4: of the time, and nobody seems to care.
Speaker 3: So, uh, Jason, you got anything you want to say?
Speaker 5: What I wanted to say is that Fred is our
Speaker 5: favorite guest on this show because you and him get
Speaker 5: into it about who is the real draft guru for
Speaker 5: a command center, right, Fred definitely thinks it's him. Logan,
Speaker 5: You're like, it's clearly men that if anybody listened to
Speaker 5: our podcast last year, we did an episode that we're
Speaker 5: going to do another one this year, but last year's
Speaker 5: it was called Guaranteed Ballers, and each one of you
Speaker 5: drafted six guys that you were like, they're going to
Speaker 5: guarantee ball out this upcoming year.
Speaker 3: Well, guess what. The year's over. We saw how they did.
Speaker 2: I think not.
Speaker 5: Here's what you guys put up on the line, do
Speaker 5: you reader, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Okay, nope, nope.
Speaker 5: One of you had to get on a knee and
Speaker 5: say to the other you are the true draft guru
Speaker 5: and I personally am nothing and nothing. That's what you
Speaker 5: had to do. So here's what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: Guys, I think interrupt, but I think two of my
Speaker 3: guys got hurt last year.
Speaker 5: They got nothing to do, all right, So here's what
Speaker 5: we're gonna I've already talked to producers of our other shows,
Speaker 5: and this feels like something needs to be.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: So one our Command Center, the one right before the draft.
Speaker 2: Reveal the results right before right.
Speaker 5: It will be on that show. The commandser at least
Speaker 5: releases right before the drift April or something or another. Right,
Speaker 5: we will reveal it live on Command Center, and we
Speaker 5: will have either Fred or Logan getting down on one
Speaker 5: knee bring and they're saying you, so, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to tell you the results yet. I find out why.
Speaker 5: So everybody needs a tune into that, and we're gonna
Speaker 5: do that. We're going to do this again too. Fred
Speaker 5: you already said he'll come back on for one of
Speaker 5: our next pots. We'll do guarantee draft ballers for the
Speaker 5: next year, and we'll have to find another penalty for
Speaker 5: getting that wrong this time. But I already know the results.
Speaker 5: I'm super exer I'm telling you, I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: It's okay, So let's get it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna get out of here because I don't know
Speaker 5: anything at all, being just a guy about DB's and
Speaker 5: we have one of the best to ever put on
Speaker 5: the Burgundy and gold at dB here with us, Fred Smoot.
Speaker 5: So he's going to break it down with you, Logan
Speaker 5: the draft guru, Right.
Speaker 3: No, at least for the time being super conflict.
Speaker 4: Myself the draft guru. He's the draft professor. Gotcha, Yeah,
Speaker 4: draft that's a great take it away.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's see, let's get into defensive backs and
Speaker 1: so let's just super high level friend. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: some things We're going to talk about some definitions here
Speaker 1: in a second, but let's start trades.
Speaker 3: You're looking for a DV just super high light rights.
Speaker 4: First of all, I'm looking for high football IQ. Everybody
Speaker 4: wants to go first into the athletic ability. You wouldn't
Speaker 4: You wouldn't be here if you want athlete, all right,
Speaker 4: I'm looking for a high IQ. That means can I
Speaker 4: play all coverages? Can I make my plays within the coverage?
Speaker 4: And can I manipulate players to do what I want
Speaker 4: them to do?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So I'm looking for guys that then played a lot
Speaker 4: of downs a lot of snaps. Hopefully guys thatn't line
Speaker 4: up left right inside outside show me some versatility. So
Speaker 4: I'm also looking for length. I love length, and sometimes
Speaker 4: length come in different ways. Sometimes you can get a
Speaker 4: fivelem dude with a six three wingspan, and that length
Speaker 4: proves itself through un length and reach. I just think
Speaker 4: this get out of trouble ability right there. It gives
Speaker 4: you the ability when you do make a bad decision,
Speaker 4: It helps you get out.
Speaker 2: Of trouble having that length.
Speaker 4: And to me, it stops the number one route that
Speaker 4: people like to go, and it's to go route.
Speaker 2: You've got long ums.
Speaker 4: It kind of prohibits people from running go routes on you.
Speaker 2: So I also love lint. I also love.
Speaker 4: Quick twitch and sticky people. And the quick twitch is
Speaker 4: the ability to go from zero to one hundred. It's
Speaker 4: like driving a corvette. You want to know what the
Speaker 4: corvette does in the ten to twenty and thirty seconds,
Speaker 4: all right, And I want guy that can move in
Speaker 4: a box, so that means quicker than fat sometime, because
Speaker 4: I think your plays are going to be made in
Speaker 4: a box than it is in a hundred year a
Speaker 4: field most of the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about a couple things. Let's double
Speaker 1: click on it real quick. So, like the high football
Speaker 1: like Q one, I think is really really interesting because
Speaker 1: it's something that's incredibly important for corner, probably more so
Speaker 1: than maybe linebacker maybe is more important, but it's incredibly
Speaker 1: important for defensive back. On when you're watching film, how
Speaker 1: do you determine whether someone's got good football? Like, I
Speaker 1: know you mentioned that line up in multiple spots. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good way. Is there anything else you're
Speaker 1: looking for?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: To see them play route combinations? Anticipation. That's telling me. One,
Speaker 4: you study because you don't jump routes that you haven't
Speaker 4: studied like two. This telling me you taking what you
Speaker 4: studied on film and you're taking it to the field.
Speaker 4: So not only are your study of but you trust
Speaker 4: what you study and you also trust what you see.
Speaker 4: If you line up through yours outside the numbers and
Speaker 4: the slot guys right there out in the numbers, he's
Speaker 4: gonna take me outside. Once I see the slot guy
Speaker 4: go out, I mean go outside, I'm going inside regardless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the route combination.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting looking at your description of you're listening
Speaker 1: to your description of what you're looking for. Then looking
Speaker 1: at your list, and I'm like, all the guys on
Speaker 1: your list really fit your vision, fits your ranking at
Speaker 1: a high level. So I really can't wait to talk
Speaker 1: about that. So let's talk about a couple term like definition,
Speaker 1: clarification things. So for me with a DV, let's just
Speaker 1: get out of the way. I also look for length.
Speaker 1: I look for kind of awareness. I look for like
Speaker 1: a competitive toughness. I probably value that more than you.
Speaker 2: I would say, no, no, I love a competitor.
Speaker 4: Like the one thing about being a competitive what it
Speaker 4: does is it's telling me, no matter what happens in
Speaker 4: this game, good bad in between, you're gonna keep competing
Speaker 4: and you have to be that way because you're gonna
Speaker 4: get burned in the NFL. So competitor goes very high
Speaker 4: on my list cause this mentality that's part of the
Speaker 4: coneback's mentality.
Speaker 2: I got to have that, but go I got to
Speaker 2: have a dog.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I also look and I also and we friend
Speaker 1: and I have talked about this before, and this is
Speaker 1: one area where we I don't think we differ on
Speaker 1: but I probably value it more than you. Is I
Speaker 1: need to see like a physical courage I need to
Speaker 1: see a guy who's willing to tackle put his face
Speaker 1: in there. Just that to me, because like, ultimately, football
Speaker 1: is a physical game. Yeah, and you got to show
Speaker 1: me you can do it.
Speaker 3: So that's one thing.
Speaker 1: That's one thing that I, again, I value pretty heavily.
Speaker 1: So those are some things that I'm looking at. I
Speaker 1: agree with Fred. The situational awareness stuff is so important
Speaker 1: for corner. Yeah, you just got to be smart down.
Speaker 4: It's where we on the field, fifty yard line. It's
Speaker 4: time for them to throw go routes. Just knowing that
Speaker 4: the small stuff that you should know automatically. If it's
Speaker 4: three by one and I'm on the back side, I'm
Speaker 4: probably gonna get attacked.
Speaker 2: Like just understanding the game awareness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one.
Speaker 1: So Okay, that's kind of high level stuff and I
Speaker 1: think that's all really good. And there's something all subjective
Speaker 1: about all these things and that's why the drafts so hard.
Speaker 3: But let's talk about these terms. Are you're familiar?
Speaker 1: So one of the terms that I hear thrown around
Speaker 1: a lot, and Fred mentioned it with the short area
Speaker 1: quickness stuff, which is also very important, is the clicking
Speaker 1: closed stuff.
Speaker 3: You hear that term all the time.
Speaker 1: You're listening to any draft analyst talk about TV there
Speaker 1: like he's got great clicking clothes, Yes, Fred, Yes, what
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: That's seeing it and going getting it?
Speaker 4: Like, if you want me to put it in lameish terms,
Speaker 4: he closes to the ball and he takes the air
Speaker 4: out of it. He understands angles. I see most people
Speaker 4: they can see something, but they take the wrong angle
Speaker 4: to go make the play like they having the ability
Speaker 4: to close is one thing is being quick. Two things
Speaker 4: is believing what you see. Three things is going getting it.
Speaker 4: And this has got to be tenth of a second. Now,
Speaker 4: this is not a two second thing. Like you have
Speaker 4: to close this gap very quickly, and some guys are
Speaker 4: better at it than other guys. This is what I
Speaker 4: love about a guy like Will Johnson in this group,
Speaker 4: you're talking about clicking and closing. This guy right here,
Speaker 4: and that's why I got him as the best he
Speaker 4: be in his class. I know they gonna shine a
Speaker 4: lot of people, but I'm sorry he is.
Speaker 1: And we're definitely going to talk about that more in detail.
Speaker 1: And you know, again who's my number one and where
Speaker 1: the rest of the list falls. But I also think
Speaker 1: clicking clothes to me is like when I see that,
Speaker 1: there's that there's the recognition, there's the mental element of it,
Speaker 1: but there's also the physical element where you see the footwork.
Speaker 1: Is the footwork tight? Are they getting kind of off balance?
Speaker 1: Another guy really high on this list for both of us,
Speaker 1: that is a little bit all over the place with
Speaker 1: the footwork, right, Can that get cleaned up? Because at
Speaker 1: the NFL level, those missteps, those.
Speaker 4: Gotta be like you gotta be very feeline like in
Speaker 4: the feelane always laying on his feet. And one thing
Speaker 4: about it is the quick twitch and it are you
Speaker 4: taking a t step?
Speaker 2: Like? What how are you getting there?
Speaker 3: Are you balance?
Speaker 4: As a defensive beat coach, I can clean up you,
Speaker 4: I can make you a technician, but I got to
Speaker 4: have something to work with.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 1: I think that's a great that's a great differentiator there,
Speaker 1: all right. The other one that if people say all
Speaker 1: the time is he's sticky in coverage. Now this can
Speaker 1: me in my opinion, be a bad thing. It can
Speaker 1: be a good thing.
Speaker 2: Now that's a different between me and sticky and handsy.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, they are two different things.
Speaker 4: Sticky mean you're never floating, You're never too far away
Speaker 4: from your guy. No matter what route he runs, Like
Speaker 4: if he's running that post, I'm right here on his
Speaker 4: back hip he's running that dig route. Because we got
Speaker 4: a couple of guys in this draft that they play
Speaker 4: over and under routs better than any corners I've seen
Speaker 4: in a couple of years, Like listens Reveale Junior does
Speaker 4: that at a high level.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about I'm chopping.
Speaker 4: They got me going because the more and more I
Speaker 4: started to study this group, I was like, my god,
Speaker 4: it's something literally game changes. Then I start to write down, Mike,
Speaker 4: who I'm comparing them to, because I think everybody got
Speaker 4: a little bit of somebody we have seen already.
Speaker 2: And I just I looked at it.
Speaker 4: I like, I can't keep writing these bowlers, Like why
Speaker 4: am I keep saying Pro Bowl?
Speaker 2: And then I said, maybe in this group is a
Speaker 2: group that has these type guys.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's that's one hundred percent right. So sticky, proximity, handsy.
Speaker 1: The thing about all these college and bess are all
Speaker 1: a little bit handsy. And so what I remember that
Speaker 1: is there's no illegal contact downfield. Yeah, right, so they
Speaker 1: tend to be a little bit more pully, a little
Speaker 1: bit more gravvy. There's a guy that is very high
Speaker 1: on my list that I almost didn't put there because
Speaker 1: he's so handsy. But I think that's something like I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that that they can get cleaned up at the
Speaker 1: next level.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's where the coaching comes in. That's where
Speaker 4: the coaching comes in at and the veterance that's on
Speaker 4: the team, because you learn a lot from the veterans.
Speaker 4: Like everybody won't have a treasure trove of knowledge like
Speaker 4: I had with Dion sanders Dale Green and Champ Bailey.
Speaker 2: I basically walked into DBU.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right. And then the last one, which I
Speaker 1: think is very important but not as important as people
Speaker 1: think it is, is closing speed.
Speaker 4: Well, you only need closing speed when you're getting yourself
Speaker 4: in trouble, when you're technically not there early.
Speaker 2: Like they always say, either dB, you're gonna win early?
Speaker 2: Are you gonna win late?
Speaker 4: You only need to strove closing speed when you when
Speaker 4: you then lost. All right, closing speed comes when you
Speaker 4: recognize when recognition kicks in and I got to go
Speaker 4: get this out route like he go to different between college.
Speaker 4: You could be you could be just better than somebody
Speaker 4: where I can break up this slant route, and then
Speaker 4: in the league you learn I have to tackle this
Speaker 4: slant route right, So it's a different because of the
Speaker 4: aptalytic ability of the guys on the other side. So
Speaker 4: these are the small thing that you learn from closing speed.
Speaker 4: Closing speed is the ability to get out of trouble.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it, and they think about it like
Speaker 1: closing to make the tackle or closing on a slant
Speaker 1: or you're in off coverage and you got to rally
Speaker 1: to a hitch like that's kind of what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: So now I think the moment we've all been waiting
Speaker 1: for is this top ten quarterbacks list, And so we're
Speaker 1: gonna do is We're gonna stop start at ten, go
Speaker 1: to one. We've got a couple of names that are
Speaker 1: floating around that are a little bit different, so we're excited.
Speaker 1: I guess, Fred, why don't you give me your ten
Speaker 1: to ten to eight and then I'll give you my
Speaker 1: ten day we can talk about it.
Speaker 2: We're going to start with Trey Amos from O Me reason.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't like too much from Old Miseries,
Speaker 4: but they do JJ Pergeze, they big Dtac, I do
Speaker 4: like him, but uh, trade is first of all, competitor,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say that. And we talked about being a competitor. Two,
Speaker 4: he's played against high notch competition.
Speaker 3: He's been in a bunch of different schools.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's traveled.
Speaker 4: He understands like when I look at some DB's and
Speaker 4: it's a couple of DB's on my list that if
Speaker 4: you look at them mathematically and chrammatically and how they
Speaker 4: test it, they not test the best. But what they
Speaker 4: do is they what I call a jack of all trades.
Speaker 4: They're not grated no one thing, but they're good at
Speaker 4: a lot. And Trey ain't is epitomizes that my flaws
Speaker 4: are minimal, but my great things are minimal, if you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Dude, I kind of feel the same way. So he's
Speaker 1: just off my list. So he would have been like
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve for me. And we'll talk about some
Speaker 1: other guys that just didn't quite make it, but he's
Speaker 1: one of them. And he's the guy that I felt
Speaker 1: like was was line, like he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was in the right position. I felt like some
Speaker 1: of his clicking clothes stuff was a little bit sluggish, right,
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 3: A little bit off balance, right, I didn't feel nothing.
Speaker 2: You can clean up though, yes, And.
Speaker 3: That's why I would defer to you.
Speaker 1: Like, that's why I'm watching him, like he's a little
Speaker 1: off bounds, he's a little bit sluggish. His immediate reaction
Speaker 1: isn't there. Yeah, he tracks the ball really well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he sees the ball well. The other thing that bugged
Speaker 1: me about him is like, there wasn't this urgency to
Speaker 1: the football.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He's kind of like a hidden confidence. I get there.
Speaker 2: When I get there, I totally understand.
Speaker 4: But also he showed me why receiver traits and that's
Speaker 4: what I'd like to see in my BBS because you
Speaker 4: got two type of cornerbacks. You got your cornerbacks that
Speaker 4: used to play running back and you got your cornerbacks
Speaker 4: that used to play wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I tend to go with the why receive.
Speaker 4: A group because now you think like a wide receiver
Speaker 4: aka Mikey Sanders Steele. I'm a guy that used to
Speaker 4: play wide receiving, so now I'm going to do at
Speaker 4: the cornerback. Was this year's play a more physical brand
Speaker 4: of why I receive? And think about him as a
Speaker 4: a NI Son ultimate. I'm telling you I can put
Speaker 4: two hundred thousand miles on it in dependable. Look for
Speaker 4: him to get drafted to a play a parental playoff
Speaker 4: team like a Pittsburgh stealer, and then he becomes a
Speaker 4: ten year of Pittsburgh stealer. He's that type of guy.
Speaker 4: Will he ever make it to All pro status? I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that, but could he be a Pro Bowl
Speaker 4: of one or two years on the team that's winning.
Speaker 2: I think he could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, he's a big guy.
Speaker 1: He's about six one. He's like I think he's six
Speaker 1: and three quarters. If I found got long arm, he
Speaker 1: was one of the bigger guys. Ran a four four
Speaker 1: at the COMBA. He's got some juice, man. And again
Speaker 1: like this is not to me. There was just that
Speaker 1: that that lack of urgency always makes me a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous.
Speaker 3: Who's your ninth guy?
Speaker 2: Fro Exavier Wise now notre dame.
Speaker 3: Listen, safety for safety.
Speaker 2: For another dame?
Speaker 4: Do you pity me of what we just talked about?
Speaker 4: Good at everything, great at nothing but ball. I Q
Speaker 4: through the roof, I see it through his plane.
Speaker 1: He's a fun he's so I'm really glad you put
Speaker 1: him on here. He's a really fun player.
Speaker 4: To I've been saying when I watched him, he jumps
Speaker 4: off the screen and when I watched DB's, especially when
Speaker 4: it's safety. Do I ever see you just fly into
Speaker 4: the screen? Do I see you do that on downhill runs?
Speaker 4: Do I see you do that on slint routes? Do
Speaker 4: I see you do that on tight ends? This anticipation,
Speaker 4: this physicality, that understanding my assignment. This is an assignment based, dude,
Speaker 4: This is a coach's dream. Listen, when a coach get
Speaker 4: a guy like Exavier, watch you say here, go to playbook,
Speaker 4: can't wait to see you at practice themorrow, and you
Speaker 4: worry about nothing because you know the interlactor is there
Speaker 4: and you know professionalism.
Speaker 2: This is what this guy's about.
Speaker 3: So I don't disagree that anything you said. The one.
Speaker 1: He's a he's a heck of a ball player, man
Speaker 1: like he gets he's around the football, always balls out,
Speaker 1: he's recovering fumbles, he gets interceptions. He's a tough he's
Speaker 1: a he's a very sound, competent tackler, all the things
Speaker 1: you want to see. I think he's better near the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage in the post. The one thing I
Speaker 1: have on him, the one thing that really kind of
Speaker 1: made me nervous. I think he's a subpar athlete, and
Speaker 1: subpar athletes in the NFL at dB specifically, yeah, tend
Speaker 1: not to figure it out right.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I would not say that because I played with a
Speaker 4: lot of safeties that was never the greatest athlete, but
Speaker 4: they was Ryan Clark, for instance.
Speaker 1: But I think think about Ryan for example, was Ryan
Speaker 1: was a psycho coming towards the line of scrimma.
Speaker 3: This guy's not that.
Speaker 1: And then when you watch him the post, he doesn't
Speaker 1: cover the same kind of ground.
Speaker 2: I think he's a bad angle steam And I.
Speaker 4: Think it's that's that's the thing though, But also I
Speaker 4: think it's also I seen him kind of lay away
Speaker 4: from one guy that's on your list, and Benjamin Morrison.
Speaker 4: I've seen him sometime you go away from player that
Speaker 4: you don't worry about, and I would see him lean
Speaker 4: to the other side sometimes because this way he figured
Speaker 4: the ball was going. So I see him trying to
Speaker 4: play the mental game inside the game. But when I
Speaker 4: say a pros pro and the reason I out of
Speaker 4: Ryan Clark anybody that played with ryand Clark could tell you.
Speaker 2: Had never met a better pro.
Speaker 4: You had never met a guy that literally the chicks
Speaker 4: all the boxes besize I'm not the greatest athlete.
Speaker 1: And again Ryan was special in terms of physical violence. Again, like,
Speaker 1: this guy is a fun football he's a football players
Speaker 1: football player. But I just worry that the angle thing
Speaker 1: bothers me a little bit. The lack of top shelf athleticism.
Speaker 4: I think early on in his career he a package guy.
Speaker 4: He'll be a part of and then he can hopefully
Speaker 4: turn into the player that he was in college.
Speaker 1: Okay, and this so number eight I'm really excited for
Speaker 1: you to talking about because I actually in my breakdown
Speaker 1: I wrote this is a young Fred Smooth.
Speaker 4: So and get what in my breakdown is I got
Speaker 4: ritten right here in my iPhone three when I first
Speaker 4: watched him play first team jumped off the screen.
Speaker 2: He's a competitor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he ain't scared to yeap and he is
Speaker 4: just long is you can see and he makes listen.
Speaker 4: I should put the signature right there, Fred Smooth. Like,
Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch the DRE because you know
Speaker 4: they always do comps. They'll probably have to comfort to
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. He plays with an intensity, he plays with
Speaker 4: a swagger.
Speaker 2: He makes plays too.
Speaker 4: Now, like we're not just talking about got it because
Speaker 4: the one thing I don't like is hollow dB Like
Speaker 4: I need to see some numbers. I need to see
Speaker 4: you make an impact on the game. This guy makes
Speaker 4: an impact on the game. Allah, Fred smooth, two point zero.
Speaker 4: That's what you got. He's gonna get the ball back.
Speaker 4: He ain't scared to throw it in there and tackle.
Speaker 4: He'll be good and special teams from the door. This guy, right,
Speaker 4: he'll make slaves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so you're watching versus Louisville playing off coverage man,
Speaker 1: his ability to read kind of bait the quarterback they're
Speaker 1: running like a smash concepts a five yard hitch corner
Speaker 1: behind you. Yeah, he intentionally hugs the hitch knowing I'm
Speaker 1: jetting me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he jets back. Makes a great player in
Speaker 3: the football.
Speaker 1: He's competitive in man coverage at times, a little handsy,
Speaker 1: but in college member, all these guys are little bit here.
Speaker 3: I think he's competent in run support.
Speaker 1: There's times on screens and stuff where he gets a
Speaker 1: little bit, but like he's gonna fit his gap and
Speaker 1: do what he's supposed to do. The Again, he wasn't
Speaker 1: on my list. And this is again one of those
Speaker 1: things that the analytics snurd in me does not like
Speaker 1: about the drafts because he's a good football player. But
Speaker 1: usually outside corners who runs slower than four or five
Speaker 1: are not successful long term outside So he ran a
Speaker 1: four five three four five four at the combine.
Speaker 3: That's legit time.
Speaker 2: Plays faster, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He's a good play like him.
Speaker 1: These So these two guys right here, And I'm glad
Speaker 1: that's why we're having you on, yeah, because I get
Speaker 1: a caught up in the draft stuff. You said, I'm
Speaker 1: a professor, right, I got my math, my numbers, my formulas.
Speaker 1: So eight and nine or nine to eight are good
Speaker 1: football players, objectively good football players. They're tough, they're competitive,
Speaker 1: they're what you want on the team. I worry about
Speaker 1: physical threshold here a little bit, and I think that's
Speaker 1: just to give you a different perspective.
Speaker 2: I'm more of a guru and glaru goes with fields.
Speaker 2: It goes with fields.
Speaker 5: Hey do me a favor. Are who are we talking
Speaker 5: about here?
Speaker 1: So this is this is Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant from
Speaker 1: Kansas dB plays outside corner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good football player.
Speaker 2: I think he's and he's basically he's a Frenchman.
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a better pro than
Speaker 4: he is A he was a college player.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Again, like the tape, the
Speaker 1: tape is the tape. Yeah it's to me, it's the
Speaker 1: athletic threshold.
Speaker 3: There is not a long history.
Speaker 1: Just like with offensive lineman tackles with under thirty two
Speaker 1: in charms, they tend not to play outside and maybe
Speaker 1: you feel like you could move him in the nickel.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's got that skill set. It's
Speaker 1: a different skill set.
Speaker 4: I think you would survive more outside because he knows
Speaker 4: how to play the high i Q game.
Speaker 2: He understands.
Speaker 4: He reminds me a lot of Sale Madison also, and
Speaker 4: how he plays his out man like. He has some
Speaker 4: qualities and that's what I want. His DNA says, I
Speaker 4: can survive. Runda Barber ran a four five forty. He's
Speaker 4: a he's a nickel, but he was a nickel that
Speaker 4: played outside. He only played nickel when they when they
Speaker 4: went into the die package out of nickel package. But
Speaker 4: other than that run day he played outside and it
Speaker 4: survive wheel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a fun guy to watch.
Speaker 1: He's a little again, Like I know, people compare like
Speaker 1: I've seen National comps to him to like Emmanuel Forbes.
Speaker 3: He's much more physical.
Speaker 2: No, he plays strong, going at the top of the
Speaker 2: route all of day.
Speaker 1: And his techniques better, like we talked about that clicking codes.
Speaker 1: Like his footwork's really tight. He's very balanced. He's a
Speaker 1: heck of a heck of a football player. Sorry, now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my ten nine eight and we'll
Speaker 1: do a little analysis on each one.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: This one was tough for me. Yeah, I didn't want
Speaker 1: to put him on here, but I couldn't resist.
Speaker 2: Like what one thing forced you to put him on?
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you about hi right now. So Darren Porter,
Speaker 1: cornerback Iowa State. If you're a Commander's fan, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've heard about him. He's six two and a half,
Speaker 1: he's two hundred pounds. He ran up four to two
Speaker 1: eight at the combine, got a forty inch vertical. He
Speaker 1: had the fastest three cone. Like, dude's a physical freak.
Speaker 2: And it scares me. He's been in doesn't match out
Speaker 2: of task.
Speaker 3: So he's been in college for six years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is his first year playing dB and physically
Speaker 1: you can do anything you want. Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: The film is not always there. The thing that got
Speaker 1: me on there is when I looked at the three cone,
Speaker 1: when I looked at the forty, when I looked at
Speaker 1: the vertical, and he did the head. There was a
Speaker 1: dig he was playing. I forget which team they were playing.
Speaker 1: There was a dig route and he got himself in
Speaker 1: bad position. Guy's running a dig and his ability to
Speaker 1: turn his hips drive the dig.
Speaker 3: Yeah, close the window. I'm like this, dude, someone's gonna
Speaker 3: look at this guy.
Speaker 4: It's going to be a team that can has the chance. Yes, right,
Speaker 4: And I hate to say it, I'm about to throw
Speaker 4: up in my mouth. Sounds like something had Roseman to do.
Speaker 4: Get this guy, draft this guy stashing for two years,
Speaker 4: teach him how to play the cornerback position, how to
Speaker 4: save the position, and before you know it, he's out
Speaker 4: there like he has all the miserables. Yeah, and I
Speaker 4: see this all the time. But these guys has this
Speaker 4: miserable but don't have the fund.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And again I don't disagree with what Fred said, Like
Speaker 1: he's got some good plays, he got some flash plays,
Speaker 1: but it's a little inconsistent.
Speaker 2: It's the routine play. He's there.
Speaker 1: That's the thing is I don't I'm not there with
Speaker 1: it right, But I just think you look at the athlete,
Speaker 1: you look at the physicality, you look at the length.
Speaker 1: He had three inch arms, and he's like an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman out there, like and when you look at it
Speaker 1: and pressed situations with hands on receivers, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: dude can cover anybody.
Speaker 3: But he's not always balanced. His footwork's not always great.
Speaker 1: So for me again, I just was like, and I
Speaker 1: think the other thing I'll say about him is I
Speaker 1: think there's a want to there that I submitt you
Speaker 1: that I.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I think you at the lead over IQ,
Speaker 4: and I think I'm IQ.
Speaker 1: This is the only one for me that I was like,
Speaker 1: this is this is I am acknowledging, Like this is a.
Speaker 3: Hail Mary for me.
Speaker 1: I In terms of football player film, I like Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant better. I like Trey Amos better on film. But
Speaker 1: I just thought, like, if you're looking upside here because
Speaker 1: you're projecting, there's not a player in this class that
Speaker 1: has more upside this I think we see him the
Speaker 1: same way. I just rated him a little bit differently.
Speaker 1: But if the situation is right and you can develop him,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great I did.
Speaker 4: Say it if I'm a dB coach, in which if
Speaker 4: you a dB coach, your job he is on the line.
Speaker 2: I'm taking Kobe Bryant because.
Speaker 3: He's he's ready, He's he's more developed.
Speaker 1: But if you if you can sit for a year
Speaker 1: and understand what you're going to get out of him,
Speaker 1: he's an older prospect when you're playing dB. Just thought
Speaker 1: i'd throw that name in there. The next one, number
Speaker 1: nine for me is Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame, cornerback
Speaker 1: outside player, coming off a hip surgery. This is his
Speaker 1: second hip surgery since he's been in college. He only
Speaker 1: played five games I think five games in college show guys.
Speaker 2: On this list.
Speaker 1: The thing about him is, I think he's very consistent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he plays good man coverage. I think he's
Speaker 1: got a solid fielding zone. But the thing that really
Speaker 1: sold me was his ability to play man like he.
Speaker 2: In his size.
Speaker 4: Dude, Liz, be honest, he is a Dan Queen's delight.
Speaker 2: I'm talking. But he's sixty three.
Speaker 3: No, he's he's six to one. I think I think
Speaker 3: he measured its six and five eightsps just under it.
Speaker 3: But he big guy, long arm Lon long long long.
Speaker 4: Arms, Like you say, Chris man Delight, like he he
Speaker 4: understands how to get it done.
Speaker 2: Are you worried about a dB with two heel pens?
Speaker 4: This was what This was hard for me because why
Speaker 4: he didn't make my least there's a dude.
Speaker 3: I'm worried about it.
Speaker 1: But then I look at the other guys on this
Speaker 1: list and we'll talk about that when we get there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that were really banged up
Speaker 1: in this class, like that are good football players banged up?
Speaker 1: And I just said, like based on the film, like
Speaker 1: when he's playing, I don't know anything about the medical,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. We don't know anything about the
Speaker 1: medical right now. But he is a guy that to
Speaker 1: me really stuck out in a in a positive way
Speaker 1: from the competitor.
Speaker 3: The ability to play it. Again, like we didn't talk
Speaker 3: about this, we were talking about trace.
Speaker 1: I'm looking for in dB because of how much man
Speaker 1: people play in the NFL I really value man coverage
Speaker 1: traits and you think the risk is worth the reward.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the medical. I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about the medical. That's all I'm saying. But like
Speaker 1: you see it right, his ability to click and close,
Speaker 1: play game, he can tackle, he takes plays in big games.
Speaker 1: He covered dude, he went one on one. They put
Speaker 1: him one on one with Marvin Errison Junior. Yeah, most
Speaker 1: definitely last year and he locked him down. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he is a he's a football player. I like him
Speaker 1: a lot, but again, the injury history is really tough there,
Speaker 1: and I think he would make a lot of sense
Speaker 1: based on what I just said. The man covers thing
Speaker 1: A zari A. Thomas from Florida State talk about big dude. Now,
Speaker 1: he's like six one and a half. He's got long arms,
Speaker 1: thirty two inch arms. He's a big dude. He's two
Speaker 1: hundred and five pounds. He's physical outdoors. He's got that
Speaker 1: dog in front. He's got that dog.
Speaker 4: When I think of him, I just think of a
Speaker 4: football play. Yeah, dude, like football player. I could probably
Speaker 4: end up at safety before my career. Thover, Like I
Speaker 4: am a football player.
Speaker 2: He's one of them. Coach. What you need me to do,
Speaker 2: I've got.
Speaker 1: And again the reason he's lower on my list because
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people say, oh, I've heard
Speaker 1: he's going to be in the first round. I heard
Speaker 1: he's going to be the fourth to be. He's not
Speaker 1: the fourth one.
Speaker 3: BB.
Speaker 1: I don't know because he doesn't. There's zero zone coverage
Speaker 1: on his tape.
Speaker 2: I can say they didn't x him to do it.
Speaker 2: I can't get may it.
Speaker 1: And so you watch him at the Senior Bowl. He
Speaker 1: does a great job and man situations, locking everybody down.
Speaker 1: Like he's big, he's physically, he's long. He understands how
Speaker 1: to play press, he understands how to play man, just period.
Speaker 1: He is a violent tackler, which I love. Like he
Speaker 1: had sixty eight tackles this year. Yeah for a receiver
Speaker 1: or corn Yeah, which is insane. So like, again, my
Speaker 1: guy's different from Fred, Darren Porter obviously upside play, but
Speaker 1: Benjamin Morris the man coverage as Ari Thomas de man
Speaker 1: and man coverage and the physicality in the run game.
Speaker 1: They are again not overly instinctive. The thing that Fred
Speaker 1: talked about most in his lists or at the top
Speaker 1: was like instincts, Yeah, Benjamin Morris.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but the other guys are physical freaks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I think project better to be NFL pros
Speaker 1: because of their ability to play man coverage. Yep, all right,
Speaker 1: I want to go seven six 'y five for me
Speaker 1: here real quick.
Speaker 4: Friends, Well, I'm gonna start it at seven right there,
Speaker 4: Max seven, Yeah, Harriston, I think both us level his key.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Maxwell Harrison from Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Tech from Kentucky, jess a doll.
Speaker 4: You open his chests up, He's got to be a
Speaker 4: chatchaw some dagar wolf inside this kid.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about film, jump off the film.
Speaker 2: Watching his film is.
Speaker 4: Just a delight me because this guy one looks like
Speaker 4: he enjoyed playing the game. You know, I love traits
Speaker 4: of high IQ and instinct. He has it all like
Speaker 4: he understands the game of football. And you know how
Speaker 4: we talked about, uh, Trey am is not playing with
Speaker 4: his hair on fire like, well, this guy, to me
Speaker 4: plays with his hair on fire. And I think that's
Speaker 4: the difference in this guy. So I think only if
Speaker 4: you draft this guy, are you getting testing well topeach,
Speaker 4: I mean top knock actually, but you also getting somebody
Speaker 4: I think gonna bring a locker room presence because I'm
Speaker 4: just I want to see his personality a little bit.
Speaker 4: So I went YouTube him a little bit, seeing a
Speaker 4: little bit of this person So now I'm also I
Speaker 4: like to get people into a locker room. And when
Speaker 4: you talk about this guy, Mike's he was one of
Speaker 4: the best, the funniest films I watched.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maxel Harrison. Again, I agree he's he's a little undersized,
Speaker 1: but he ran that. Fortunately, I don't worry about size,
Speaker 1: and he's got decent length. He's got he's about six
Speaker 1: foot like. He's not a small guy. He's a little
Speaker 1: bit skinny like, but he's one hundred and eighty five
Speaker 1: pound andy seven pounds, so not ninety.
Speaker 3: Right, So it's all all takes and weights.
Speaker 1: You see him running, it's impressive. He's not afraid to tackle.
Speaker 1: That's also good. Only played seven games last year because
Speaker 1: of a solid shoulder injury. So a little bit concerning
Speaker 1: the thing Fred that I wanted to bring up to
Speaker 1: because again with Maxwell Harrison, I see a guy who
Speaker 1: understands coverage.
Speaker 3: Yes, good in zone coverage.
Speaker 2: Yes, round combination, he gets him up.
Speaker 3: He gets it, Yeah, he gets it.
Speaker 1: The thing about Maxwell that I couldn't get my head around.
Speaker 1: Is every hen't he doesn't play man coverage, well, he.
Speaker 4: Go to think about it because he's technique. It's off
Speaker 4: at times he don't. I always tell a player that
Speaker 4: trusts his technique and leans on his technique, especially win
Speaker 4: he gets hard and a player they say, I'm gonna
Speaker 4: lean on my athletic ability and when you run a
Speaker 4: four to two you can't help but say I can
Speaker 4: do it with my speed instead of saying no, I
Speaker 4: need to stay square and stay in his back pedal
Speaker 4: until he turns his hip and dips his shoulder like
Speaker 4: so trusting technique and this is nothing but like I said,
Speaker 4: an NFL coach to clean up because it's a lot
Speaker 4: to work with with this kid.
Speaker 1: So again, in off coverage, Maxwell Hurston is a beast
Speaker 1: like he does a great job anticipating rock concepts, interceptions,
Speaker 1: the man coverage stuff. And also I didn't think I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up Fredick because and you understand this
Speaker 1: because you played dB versus the bigger receivers. I felt
Speaker 1: got like a little bit quiet, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He just he didn't have the physicality to deal with it. Again,
Speaker 1: he's like I think twelve on my list, right, So
Speaker 1: just just off the.
Speaker 3: Customer, right.
Speaker 4: I just think it's just so much to work with
Speaker 4: him that he's one of those things where dB coach
Speaker 4: can't wait to get him in the room. Yeah, because
Speaker 4: whatever he doesn't do well, I feel like I can clean.
Speaker 2: Up as a coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And again like film's good. I actually like Kobe Bryant
Speaker 1: film a little bit better. But I think the athletic
Speaker 1: upside of hers.
Speaker 4: I would say the athlete sticks out yes on him
Speaker 4: ever since.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, the next guy.
Speaker 4: In number six, man, he could have easily been my
Speaker 4: number three. I'm just gonna keep it one hundred like
Speaker 4: this is how this is how.
Speaker 2: High I am on.
Speaker 3: From Carolina, East Carolina, small school guy.
Speaker 2: Listen, my man is a dog. Listen to your dog.
Speaker 4: This is when I always tell people, if you really
Speaker 4: want to know a good DV. They like probably picking
Speaker 4: off go route. That mean you didn't get me deep
Speaker 4: and you were faster than the receiver you got that. No,
Speaker 4: when I see you picking off crossing routes over and
Speaker 4: over and over again, and not only does he pick
Speaker 4: them off routinely, like the angles that he taken our
Speaker 4: special when he when he makes his mind up to
Speaker 4: put his foot on the gas and get down hill
Speaker 4: with that left. Oh my god, listen to me. This
Speaker 4: kid is I put him to. I compare him to
Speaker 4: Antonio Kramar.
Speaker 3: Dude, love that.
Speaker 1: It's a great com Yes, sir, but I will say
Speaker 1: this and this is a good thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, my man wants to tackle.
Speaker 4: Crow was tackling when he first got a lead. Crow
Speaker 4: was tackling when he first got lead. But you know
Speaker 4: that lyft Crow gat the ball skiels. Yeah, when I
Speaker 4: first out, like this is this one of his masks? Huh?
Speaker 4: Because I'm there serious logan. This dude jumped off the tape.
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, I would this will be
Speaker 4: the third d being taken for me.
Speaker 1: Dude, Well, we'll talk about some other guy. But he
Speaker 1: so acl this last year. Yeah, only played three games.
Speaker 1: He hasn't done any testing this offseason. That's the thing
Speaker 1: that pushed me down.
Speaker 2: But watching his tape, he runs a four to three.
Speaker 3: Dude, he is so I'll tell you, so this is it? Wait,
Speaker 3: like we Shavon Revel, we love him. He does the
Speaker 3: things I like.
Speaker 1: He tackles, he's physical, he plays man covered at a crazy,
Speaker 1: high level.
Speaker 3: He's instinctive. A couple of things that make me a
Speaker 3: little bit worried. The injury. Obviously, he's playing at East Carolina.
Speaker 2: They don't bother me.
Speaker 3: But against if you watch him against Michigan, Yes.
Speaker 2: He played ball dog a dog.
Speaker 4: Listen to me, he got that dog getting And guess what.
Speaker 4: I love small school guy because they play with a
Speaker 4: chip on their shoulder from the time they get to
Speaker 4: the NFL to the time that they leave this guy
Speaker 4: right here, Like, as a matter of fact, I'm sorry
Speaker 4: to you, Schauvelle. I'm sorry for the hate. I'm sorry
Speaker 4: for the disrespect. I should replace Baron at three with
Speaker 4: shavel That's how I feel. I mean, we reveil, That's
Speaker 4: how I feel. I'm sorry, that's how I feel. I'm
Speaker 4: starting to feel icky because I didn't do.
Speaker 1: It to me. I feel the same way. I wanted
Speaker 1: to put him above some of those other guys. But
Speaker 1: the injury, the uncertainty. You didn't see it this year
Speaker 1: from him. Yeah that's again Fred and nine. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: six for me too. Yeah he's exactly six. Because I
Speaker 1: love him, but I was like, I can't put him
Speaker 1: above healthy people that have done the process.
Speaker 4: Yes, I can't do it, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But that's why he wasn't at three. I really want
Speaker 4: to put him ahead of Baron because I just feel like,
Speaker 4: because I'm trying to project as a pro now I
Speaker 4: know what you're being in college, I'm saying, who's gonna
Speaker 4: click with the pro game faster? And now that I'm
Speaker 4: really really thinking about it in my head, he should
Speaker 4: have been three and I should have been talking about
Speaker 4: Bearing right there at six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so let's talk about your number five real quick?
Speaker 3: Who I also love? Yes, the cash Starks from Georgia Place.
Speaker 2: Safety eety most definitely. Now you want to talk about
Speaker 2: mental warfare?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 4: Could you do you like this comparison Earl Thomas. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's that fast instinct. Yeah, you're saying, you're
Speaker 4: saying the intelligence.
Speaker 2: Intelligence, the size, ye, the move he fluent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like when he moves it's no wasted steps.
Speaker 1: So I'll say this about him, like he's a big dude.
Speaker 1: He's like six to one and a half. He's two
Speaker 1: hundred and five, two hundred ten pounds, a big big guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he plays like Nickel.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm telling you he minds me of Branch
Speaker 4: from Detroit.
Speaker 1: Dude, I think that's a better comp for me. Branch
Speaker 1: is a little bit more physically violent. You can play nickel,
Speaker 1: you can play posts, you can play the linebacker in
Speaker 1: a time situation.
Speaker 2: We don't know where you're going to be when the
Speaker 2: play starts.
Speaker 4: And he didn't play some big tame football against some
Speaker 4: big time whie receives the big stage is not too
Speaker 4: big for him. He's He's one of another one of
Speaker 4: these guys I do everything good, nothing great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The thing that I love about him, yeah, it's I
Speaker 1: feel like he just is a He's a.
Speaker 3: Good football player.
Speaker 2: You get out to the Keyston.
Speaker 1: And he can play man coverage, which is important to me.
Speaker 1: He's a great tackler. Yeah, Like he's so consistent, instinctive,
Speaker 1: and he's good at wrapping up. He gets you on
Speaker 1: the ground, He's not afraid of it. He takes good angles.
Speaker 1: So I know people like I wanted to put him higher,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'll explain why when we get to the
Speaker 1: other person that's a little bit higher on the list.
Speaker 3: Is he is He's just such a high floor player.
Speaker 1: People are criticizing him because he doesn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of ball production, doesn't really bother me that much.
Speaker 2: Cut the ball fouls funny, right, all right?
Speaker 3: But I like both those guys.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about my I've been through seven to
Speaker 1: five Brock. So Jacob Parish from Kansas say, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you watch this guy.
Speaker 2: Did watch him, dude?
Speaker 1: He's a ballplayer, man, He's probably gonna play Nickel.
Speaker 2: He's a ball playing Jesse. But you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: move him inside. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I think he's just got a great feel like
Speaker 1: in man coverage, he's got a great feel. He matches
Speaker 1: up against people. He plays outside corner at Kansas State.
Speaker 1: He I think he has got a good field for
Speaker 1: playing bigger guys. He plays through the hands, He's got
Speaker 1: a good feel for the balls in the air. He's
Speaker 1: physical in the run game, he can blitz, he can
Speaker 1: play Nickel like he's just a physical Mikey Sanders reminds
Speaker 1: me of Mikey Center.
Speaker 3: That's exactly. That's exactly reminds me.
Speaker 4: I'm just asking because when I was watching the field,
Speaker 4: like I've seen this player before, you know, I've seen it, and.
Speaker 1: That that's because I love Mikey coming out.
Speaker 3: And that's how I feel about this guy.
Speaker 1: And I think you'd be talking about Jacob Parrish if
Speaker 1: he went to a bigger if he went to Michigan
Speaker 1: in the same way you're talking about Mikey Sander So
Speaker 1: like he just does.
Speaker 3: He's he ran a four to three at the time.
Speaker 4: No, no, this is why I say it, Mikeyy Sanders. It's
Speaker 4: like that new doctor Pepper Blue Beery. He just explodes
Speaker 4: in your mouth right there watching this guy. He just
Speaker 4: explodes off the field. He's very instinctive, don't waste motion.
Speaker 4: That I love a dB that doesn't waste motion. He
Speaker 4: plays angles very good and with the right coaching, he
Speaker 4: could be a high end player like he was.
Speaker 2: He missed my list, yeah, by that much.
Speaker 1: And I get why because he is probably a true
Speaker 1: nickel at the next of what he's converting.
Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of risk there.
Speaker 1: But like you said, Fred, like his footwork's tight, he's
Speaker 1: on balance, he tackles well, he's good, and he's comfortable
Speaker 1: in man cover. He can run with anybody, anybody, and
Speaker 1: he's tough. He's just a tough, tough little.
Speaker 2: Bastard, right. Yeah, Like he did close for making the
Speaker 2: list now.
Speaker 1: So he's number seven for me, and then obviously number
Speaker 1: six is Shavon Revel from East Carolina, who we talked
Speaker 1: about for about ten minutes.
Speaker 3: And then this one. Fred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to get your take on this
Speaker 1: because I did not know what to do with this guy.
Speaker 4: And you know what, I battled and I just said
Speaker 4: that I was gonna move him the sixth.
Speaker 1: Move, let's let's leave, let's let's keep the end of
Speaker 1: suspense Baron from Texas.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did not know what to do with him.
Speaker 2: That's because.
Speaker 4: He he is an issuv.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: You know how they make these new sports suv They
Speaker 4: title but grab a couple of kids in there. Not
Speaker 4: quite a sports car, if you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 4: he doesn't show elite quickness.
Speaker 3: But that's that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Just a football.
Speaker 1: He didn't show lead quickness, but he ran a four
Speaker 1: to three at the time. But he don't play he
Speaker 1: doesn't play that way.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't say he don't play that way because
Speaker 4: he's not really out of phase.
Speaker 1: But that's exactly right. All the things you're saying are true.
Speaker 1: It's like you're in good position, you're playing man coverage. Well,
Speaker 1: you look a little bit apathetic. Sometimes you don't look
Speaker 1: like you're that fast, but you made this play.
Speaker 4: So I thought to myself, Logan, who have I seen
Speaker 4: that plays? This just relaxed and it was Derel Reeves. Okay,
Speaker 4: And I said, why did Dreil play like that? Because
Speaker 4: he won so early he never worked late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's why.
Speaker 2: I had him at three on mine.
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's why he's he's winning, uh
Speaker 4: at the first Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Like, so I can't flag him for being that smart.
Speaker 4: So maybe he uses more of his IQ than he
Speaker 4: does his athletic ability.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's so again, let's just let's just
Speaker 1: peel this back. He's a really interesting prospect. So I
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying. Like he's good in coverage,
Speaker 1: he's got good clicking clothes. He played outside this year.
Speaker 1: I think he probably plays nickel. And again, like I
Speaker 1: think there's other players. I almost put Jacob Parrish above him,
Speaker 1: but I don't think Jacob Parish gonna play outside. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he's physical enough to play full time nickel.
Speaker 6: Like his timing's good, is insign he tackle well on feel,
Speaker 6: he didn't like, Listen, this is what I tried to do.
Speaker 6: I said, let me go down here and figure it
Speaker 6: out through red flags. Okay, all right, because every time
Speaker 6: I was trying to give him a green I mean
Speaker 6: a green flag, I was just giving him green flag.
Speaker 2: So the effort is always there. Q was there, I
Speaker 2: couldn't find no red flag.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, dude, I yeah, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: To tell you. It's a weird.
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing for me because I didn't love
Speaker 1: him so but there's nothing wrong with him.
Speaker 4: So maybe I said, maybe he won so early the
Speaker 4: challenges wasn't there.
Speaker 2: Maybe, so maybe I just need to see him get
Speaker 2: challenged in the lead. Yeah, and so that's why I
Speaker 2: put him.
Speaker 3: Witherspoon was my coma.
Speaker 1: And again like I like with Witherspoon, that's a just
Speaker 1: sh comp actually, because the Witherspoon had this fire, yes,
Speaker 1: fire to it.
Speaker 3: He's just kind of chilling something.
Speaker 6: But he make plays in big game, I know.
Speaker 3: But that's why he's fine for me. That's why.
Speaker 2: But he's three from me because.
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, I've seen the real Reeves play at
Speaker 4: this methodical pace before.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really, you would know better than
Speaker 1: me because you watch more film, you watch more dB
Speaker 1: film than I do.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's go four and three.
Speaker 1: We'll save two and one for the last little bit
Speaker 1: of conversation because that's really interesting. But let's go four
Speaker 1: and three. You already talked about your three. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about your four.
Speaker 2: All right? My four is nick em and you were
Speaker 2: Did I say that em and Warry?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Listen, man from South Carolina, big safety. Everyone probably remembers
Speaker 1: him from the combine.
Speaker 2: I can say, come by beasts.
Speaker 4: He is physically mathematically at sixty three. I think he
Speaker 4: did the bench press with twenty five times. You got
Speaker 4: long arms four three, the closest thing on paper I've
Speaker 4: seen to Shun Taylor.
Speaker 3: Dude, Anywhere's twenty works twenty one?
Speaker 2: Yes, and listen to me.
Speaker 4: I just watched the film over and over and I
Speaker 4: was like, now he go to thing. He doesn't have
Speaker 4: this shut hands. He doesn't pray with the physical prisons.
Speaker 3: Dude of Preach Fred Preach.
Speaker 2: He doesn't.
Speaker 4: He doesn't come downhill with the bad attentions of Seun
Speaker 4: tas How, he's wired. So maybe somebody he meets somebody
Speaker 4: in the league that get that dog, true dog out
Speaker 4: of him and say, you know what your ceiling is,
Speaker 4: could be here if you take this part of your
Speaker 4: game to the next level. But no problem with him
Speaker 4: in coverage, plays well in space. When this hosse get
Speaker 4: his head on the ball, town he dropped that thing
Speaker 4: in the fifth gil and he is out of there,
Speaker 4: shot out of a cannon.
Speaker 2: He is.
Speaker 4: Usually these workout warriors don't play with that on film,
Speaker 4: Like I watched John Ross Runner four to two and
Speaker 4: to come by and never could stop in the league.
Speaker 4: Like this kid right here, ceiling is through the roof.
Speaker 4: He could have easily been the number one guy on
Speaker 4: this paper right here. He is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm so glad because again, when you watch him
Speaker 1: catch the football, when you watch him run with people
Speaker 1: in man coverage, you're like.
Speaker 3: Who is that guy?
Speaker 2: Like tight ends?
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the league, he's having no problem with that chance.
Speaker 1: And he's got good man coverage in since he's got
Speaker 1: great range of safeties, a little tightening, little tight in
Speaker 1: the hips, so like you don't want him, like you just.
Speaker 2: Want them to play lord, that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's all there.
Speaker 1: The one thing I almost did I almost put him
Speaker 1: at eight, almost put him at eight, but I was
Speaker 1: like the physical upside too much.
Speaker 3: Because he's not a great tackler. Like remember watching Colin Hilton,
Speaker 3: you watched watch Compton was a dog. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: take on blocks. He it runs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could cover a little bit. He's not super fast,
Speaker 1: but like that's something that you watch enough.
Speaker 3: Db'st red.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If you don't tackle well, like you're out of here man,
Speaker 1: because I can't trust you, especially playing.
Speaker 3: Safety, to make that play.
Speaker 4: I think, like I say, I think you get to
Speaker 4: the league, somebody can reprogram me. I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 4: like this, he reminded me of dB I played with
Speaker 4: in Minnesota, and it's Darren Shop Okay, Hall of Fame
Speaker 4: defensive back, can go find the ball, can out run
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people, good size, can play down here.
Speaker 4: But he just wasn't the most physical safety for his size.
Speaker 4: So this, if you're telling me this the production I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get, I'm with it. Like then what I say,
Speaker 4: he could easily be the number one guy on my list,
Speaker 4: like film is unbelievable. I just wanted him to be
Speaker 4: more physical at that size and that speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I did watch the Alabama game, which was
Speaker 1: his worst game. Yeah, and that makes you a little
Speaker 1: bit nervous. Then you watch like Texas A and M
Speaker 1: and he's like all over the field. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 1: He's number four for me also, just to give you
Speaker 1: an idea, like where I'm at with him, but like
Speaker 1: he's he's a heck of an athlete, heck of a
Speaker 1: heck of his ceiling is all over the place.
Speaker 4: Is enticing, Yeah, most definitely a little a little Darwin
Speaker 4: James in there also, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Darwin is more physical, That's what I'm saying. But the
Speaker 2: echo lip profile.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the physical, the physicality makes If there's one
Speaker 1: thing that makes me, it's he's not overly physical, and
Speaker 1: it makes me nervous a little bit.
Speaker 3: And he's not a great tackler, So everything else is there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's all there.
Speaker 1: That's something I'm always gonna be like if I'm in
Speaker 1: the draft meeting, I'm like, I like him, but we
Speaker 1: got to make sure he gets with someone who can
Speaker 1: teach about a tackle.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: So you said Johade barn was your three.
Speaker 1: My three was Malachi Starks from Georgia, who we talked
Speaker 1: about earlier with you again. I just think his floor
Speaker 1: is treetop high. I think he's an NFL starting player
Speaker 1: right now. His film's good. You can play man coverage
Speaker 1: in the more Ball production, and I can live with
Speaker 1: that because all the things that like Nick Emmin Warry does,
Speaker 1: like the movement skills, like Starks isn't the best mover,
Speaker 1: but he.
Speaker 3: Just every tackle I want to make an emotion.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be where I got to be and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you know, like, so that's where like I
Speaker 1: just think that's a that's a football player, Johnny.
Speaker 3: That's my kind of guy. Right now.
Speaker 1: I can't wait, honestly talk about one and two with you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I had I was tossed and turning about this
Speaker 1: my man, about who is gonna go where? And so
Speaker 1: let's start with you and then I'll tell you my.
Speaker 4: I know, once you seen one, you like he did it.
Speaker 4: He did it, he did it alright. First of all,
Speaker 4: I was starting with my two. My two is Travis Hunter,
Speaker 4: the Heisman Trophy window from Colorado cornerback, wide receiver. I
Speaker 4: have to look through dB eyes. When I looked through
Speaker 4: dbiyes to me, he was the number two best corner
Speaker 4: in this draft.
Speaker 1: So talk okay, and this this conversation makes no sense. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're talking about you're number one. Also we're talking about
Speaker 1: it together, yeah, Will Johnson from Michigan.
Speaker 3: Yes, And just for the record, my two.
Speaker 1: Is Will Johnson from Michigan and my number one is
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. And it was razor thin close.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna tell you what made it for me
Speaker 4: was the physicality, right, Will Johnson's physicality. Will Johnson is
Speaker 4: basically a faster version of Charles Woodson. Will Johnson at
Speaker 4: six to two hundred pounds, it's a length, is.
Speaker 2: A specimen of a corner. Will Johnston.
Speaker 4: Right, we look at this and we see Travis Hunter,
Speaker 4: and we'll be like, who's the most explosive guy with
Speaker 4: the ball in his hand?
Speaker 2: Will jumpson? All right, listen to me, Will justin might
Speaker 2: be a step faster.
Speaker 4: He's bigger, He's more equipped to be an NFL cornerback
Speaker 4: right now than Travis h And it's aying a lot
Speaker 4: because I compare Travis to a skin of your Champ Bailey. Right.
Speaker 4: His ball Travis Hunter's ball skills are undeniable. He had
Speaker 4: some of the best ball skills I've ever seen, but
Speaker 4: I have never seen somebody put his foot in the
Speaker 4: ground and come down here like Will just Will Justson
Speaker 4: has played high end football to the peak of it.
Speaker 2: He's tackling.
Speaker 4: That's why I thought you were gonna go Will Judson
Speaker 4: because of the physicality.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why so Will Johnson when you watch
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty three and he only played seven games
Speaker 1: aside shir kids.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the injury was, but mister back
Speaker 3: two to that. Yeah, he off ball, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Is unbelievable, Like all the stuff you talk talked about,
Speaker 1: like what would you high football like Q. His ability
Speaker 1: to match concepts, well, Johnson does a great.
Speaker 3: Job of that.
Speaker 1: His ability to debate guys, he does a great job
Speaker 1: of his ability to anticipate throws. Well, Johnson does a
Speaker 1: great job of that. Like it's all like that stuff.
Speaker 1: It was so good, And this is what I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about. Yeah, because he's a good tackler too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. The thing that I couldn't get past, I
Speaker 1: couldn't find one snap him playing man coverage.
Speaker 2: All right, he was. They was playing this off matches.
Speaker 3: It's like off match zone.
Speaker 2: That's what they was that's what he was.
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna penalize a player for being xd to
Speaker 4: do something and mastering it.
Speaker 2: I'm just not. But with his.
Speaker 4: Athletic profile and those long arms and that strength at
Speaker 4: the point, I have no.
Speaker 2: Doubt he could play mate. I have no doubt he
Speaker 2: could play every coverage.
Speaker 3: So that was the thing I was.
Speaker 1: So I was watching him, and this is again like
Speaker 1: the off ball stuff is maybe the best I've watched
Speaker 1: last two years.
Speaker 3: Three years. It's really, really, really good.
Speaker 1: The thing that I kept coming back to is like,
Speaker 1: and this is where I would defer to you, because
Speaker 1: you watch TV's more than me, is how fast is he?
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't look like he's that fast.
Speaker 4: I know I see a four to three easily. I
Speaker 4: see a guy I can always tell.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is another thing I had first three four steps,
Speaker 1: I can tell. I had a scout tell me that
Speaker 1: they thought he was gonna run four six? Does that
Speaker 1: change the narrative for you? Knowing me knowing that information,
Speaker 1: He's still number.
Speaker 2: Nine for that now.
Speaker 4: I know Indianapolis is very close to Kentucky and Tennessee.
Speaker 4: But what kind of whiskey was he drinking? I don't
Speaker 4: see nothing. This kid probably ran a four or five
Speaker 4: in middle school. Look, I see pure speed.
Speaker 2: I see. I hate to say, this hurts so bad.
Speaker 4: I see the profile of Shun Springs when he came
Speaker 4: out of mission.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: So bad, so bad.
Speaker 4: Shun was six one and a half, two hundred pounds specimen,
Speaker 4: highest dB ever drafted. I see will when I say,
Speaker 4: I see a faster child whistle?
Speaker 2: What does that tell you?
Speaker 4: Why Kyle Travis a skinny your chump bag, and this
Speaker 4: kid just I'm sorry. He's God's gift to cornerback. He's
Speaker 4: that good to me. He's better than Devil Winn Spoon.
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be better than Spoon.
Speaker 2: I think he got what is you say his weakness?
Speaker 2: You think is speed? I see no weakness.
Speaker 1: So so that was my only that was only thing
Speaker 1: is that I didn't see him play a lot of
Speaker 1: man really any man coverage, because thinking that's not his fault.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I'm also like man coverage is an
Speaker 1: important part of.
Speaker 4: I think made me feel a lot more comfortable. He
Speaker 4: was the best dB on the field. While Saban said
Speaker 4: last year that Mikey Sanders Steel was, pound for pound,
Speaker 4: the best dB in that draft, Well, this guy jumps
Speaker 4: off on that fence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I like him. I don't like him.
Speaker 3: I love him.
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned about like I want to see
Speaker 1: him run because I want to I want to fill
Speaker 1: my little formula out and do all that math stuff.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see him play a ton of man,
Speaker 1: and I know that can be a hard transition for
Speaker 1: people who he's playing in an NFL defense, So like,
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted, like he's doing high level stuff.
Speaker 1: And again he's the second guy on my list, and
Speaker 1: it's very, very close.
Speaker 4: I remembers having an argument last year about Cooper the genie.
Speaker 4: I think I turned out to be right because you
Speaker 4: said I don't know if he can run.
Speaker 1: I mean I said he wasn't gonna play outside. That's
Speaker 1: what I said. And I was right about that too.
Speaker 1: And you were also right about that because you thought
Speaker 1: he was a true outside corner.
Speaker 3: I thought he was.
Speaker 2: We gonta see next year because he's gonna be asked
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 3: That's he could be a down fair.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I never penalized players when they not
Speaker 4: actually do something, but Travis Hunter tackling in the NFL
Speaker 4: do you not think there's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1: So Travis Hunter is very raw when you watch him
Speaker 1: play quarterback.
Speaker 3: He's a little all over the place.
Speaker 2: Case at the lead peeple in the league.
Speaker 3: He's very handsy.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that great an athlete, Like he's
Speaker 1: a great athlete.
Speaker 3: That's gonna sound weird, like I don't think.
Speaker 1: He's great from like an explosive like like he's not
Speaker 1: gonna run a four to two.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna run a four four.
Speaker 4: I think he run a four to three, but I'm
Speaker 4: not I wouldn't feel good today matching him up against
Speaker 4: a J.
Speaker 2: Brown. Yeah, I feel good matching Will Johnson up against him.
Speaker 4: And that's why I got wheel number one, because when
Speaker 4: it comes to the more physical receivers that don't need
Speaker 4: to run past him, like, I don't know how he's
Speaker 4: going to do with the with Mike Evans, Like I
Speaker 4: just don't see him having a good day with Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: That's a great that's a great way to characterize it,
Speaker 1: because it's it's if you think about it that way, obviously,
Speaker 1: I think then Will Johnson again the speed slol issue.
Speaker 1: But I will say this about Travis Hunter. He plays
Speaker 1: stronger than he looks when he's got his hands on receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a great feel for reading routes in man coverage,
Speaker 1: miss ball skills and his ball skills and his anticipation
Speaker 1: is crazy.
Speaker 3: Like again, Will Johnson from off is better.
Speaker 1: But his ability, like he had to play against UCLA
Speaker 1: where he's you know, they're running the outside, go there,
Speaker 1: running the five yard out. He acts like he's in
Speaker 1: man coverage, puts his foot.
Speaker 2: In the ground, remember the play and go get.
Speaker 1: It, and and so that that playmaking ability is special.
Speaker 1: And I'm also banking on this to friend a little bit.
Speaker 1: And this is this is where you get hurt. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be mad at myself because I tell other
Speaker 1: people not to do this. Is I think when he
Speaker 1: gets with a coach and he's playing dB full time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be all right, is what I think.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be alright because they don't think he's
Speaker 1: not a bad tackle. He's not like a super he's
Speaker 1: not like gonna kill you, but like he's he's willing.
Speaker 2: Well he go to think about it. You got two
Speaker 2: type of tackles. You got a hitter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's somebody that's gonna pose a wheel on
Speaker 4: you and you got to tackle it.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get you to the ground.
Speaker 3: I think he's.
Speaker 2: Most definitely a tackler.
Speaker 4: I just don't know is he going to be a
Speaker 4: tackler in the third quarter of five minutes?
Speaker 3: A great question. It's a great question.
Speaker 4: And this is why I said, who's the most complete dB,
Speaker 4: not the complete football player?
Speaker 2: And the complete dB was real Junts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everything you Fred said I agree with, except
Speaker 1: I'm worried. I'm a little bit more dubious about They
Speaker 1: didn't see him play man coverage. Ford thinks you can coach.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna defer to Fred and his overall speed. Travis
Speaker 1: Hunter is raw, he's but he's competitive as all out door.
Speaker 1: He's hyper competitive. His ball steals are excellent.
Speaker 2: Technician, I gotta need more technique from him.
Speaker 4: And I also fear how's he gonna fare against the
Speaker 4: bigger t Higgins of the world. How is he gonna
Speaker 4: fare against size and strength?
Speaker 1: And obviously there are one and two, so they're both
Speaker 1: really good and we feel really good about him.
Speaker 4: But like no, no at the league comes with dot flaws.
Speaker 4: That's what I want you all to know. It ain't
Speaker 4: been many perfect guys to come out to draft.
Speaker 5: All Right, I'm gonna ask you a couple more questions
Speaker 5: about Travis Hunter because he's one of the hottest topics
Speaker 5: right in this draft class. So is he gonna play
Speaker 5: wide receiver and cornerback in the league?
Speaker 2: Can you do it?
Speaker 5: Will he do it?
Speaker 2: I think he has to master the cornerback first.
Speaker 4: I think right now, if I was drafting him, I
Speaker 4: got him picked as my number two corner in the draft.
Speaker 4: If I was drafting him as a wide receiver, he'll
Speaker 4: probably be like my number five or six, right, So
Speaker 4: he's better at the corner position. I need you to
Speaker 4: master this one before I give you permission to go
Speaker 4: learn another playbook. I need you to master the nuance
Speaker 4: of the cornerback position to tackling, taking on screens, taking
Speaker 4: on talk suites. I need you to master this side
Speaker 4: before I give you permission to go do the other side.
Speaker 4: But if he's with a terrible team like a New
Speaker 4: England Patriots or something, they're going to experiment, whynot.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think for me it's I actually like this film
Speaker 1: better at dB honestly than I did a receiver. Like
Speaker 1: I think he's more raw there. And it's hard. It's
Speaker 1: really hard watching this film because he does kind of
Speaker 1: pay himself.
Speaker 3: You know, he's off playing hard all the time.
Speaker 1: And then again he's playing one hundred and fifty snaps,
Speaker 1: so like that's.
Speaker 3: Not like a knock on him.
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like you're you're hoping I'm projecting
Speaker 1: a little bit to like when he gets to the league,
Speaker 1: he'll be playing one spot, he'll be better coached. And again,
Speaker 1: just that dog competitor, that ball skill stuff comes out,
Speaker 1: and I do think it's a little bit more valuable
Speaker 1: at dB, especially with the way he plays the football.
Speaker 1: He plays the football crazy man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I think if he walks in any wide
Speaker 4: receiver room right now in the league, he had bits
Speaker 4: the number three or four receiver.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't see him as a number two.
Speaker 4: Like if he came on this team right now, he
Speaker 4: would not beat in the top two receiver.
Speaker 2: I see.
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's hard for me with the receiver
Speaker 1: thing is like he does the traits are there, his change,
Speaker 1: the direction is there, the way he tracks the ball.
Speaker 2: Is there is it any wide receiver.
Speaker 4: He reminds you of prison pass that he plays like
Speaker 4: I got you one Ted gain.
Speaker 2: He reminded me of Ted again with not the high
Speaker 2: end speed.
Speaker 1: He's better that he's better. He catches the football better
Speaker 1: than Ted. And I think he's got a better change
Speaker 1: direction than Ted. So and as we've talked about, those
Speaker 1: things are really important and valuable. Like for me, he
Speaker 1: was the second rode receiver after touch up McMillan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he's just there's something about the athlete that
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to overlook. He's just so special
Speaker 1: and unique. And the way he tacks the football with
Speaker 1: his hands, you've seen it in the dB film Man
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, he can torts and finds a way to
Speaker 1: make these.
Speaker 2: Crazy plays, kind of like George Pickings when it comes
Speaker 2: to I like that.
Speaker 1: Actually that's a pretty good comp like a raw route runner.
Speaker 1: But like you just at tracked the ball.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: So, Fred, let's say you're a GM for whatever and
Speaker 5: you're you're picking in the top all right, is Travis
Speaker 5: Hunter on your board? Because one of the one of the.
Speaker 2: Top three you say, I'm in the top three.
Speaker 5: Top five like, where are you picking him? Where are
Speaker 5: you feeling comfortable enough to pick him? And the reason
Speaker 5: I'm asking is because a lot of the big name
Speaker 5: draft analysts that do this, and the biggest name had
Speaker 5: him going number three overall. But if he's not your
Speaker 5: number one corner, he's your number five wive receiver. You
Speaker 5: don't think he's playing both ways? Why is he going
Speaker 5: up so high? Just as a compared he would be
Speaker 5: tied with one of the highest draft of DB's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I say, Sean Spring was number three and
Speaker 4: Jeff Okuda was number three, like Eric Stingly, That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Their film was.
Speaker 4: Their Stingley film blows his film away? I'm sorry, right,
Speaker 4: So he's not these guys. The fourth overall was a
Speaker 4: Sauce Gardner. Fifth, Devin Willis, Spion Jaden and Ramsey, Patrick Peterson, Airberry,
Speaker 4: Sean Taylor went there, there are all DB's, So I'm
Speaker 4: trading down, so you're not take you where do you
Speaker 4: feel comfortable? I feel comfortable taking him around seven, around
Speaker 4: seven to ten. Yeah, that's where I would take him at.
Speaker 4: And I would come in saying what do like? The
Speaker 4: thing is, what's our plan for him? Like we got
Speaker 4: to have a legit plan for him because I do
Speaker 4: not want to put too much on his plate. And
Speaker 4: I think that could be the worst thing they could
Speaker 4: actually do with this kid is try to double spoon
Speaker 4: feed him from the door.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna fail at both positions.
Speaker 4: If they try to do that, he's going to fail
Speaker 4: it both because he can go on the defensive side
Speaker 4: and get his confidence to go back to the offensive
Speaker 4: side and them dB he's he's a pro dB and
Speaker 4: they gonna take his lunch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, uh, I think that's a great point.
Speaker 3: Like it's like a dB.
Speaker 1: I'd probably take him at ten at the receiver, I'd
Speaker 1: probably take him at fifteen, yeah, fourteen fifty like that,
Speaker 1: Like he's a good player, Like I'm not.
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound like you.
Speaker 2: Gotta put both players to get Yeah, he is one.
Speaker 1: He's an excellent player. But like if you just said, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm drafting a dB.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's maybe ten, eleven whatever, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But he's not he's not that.
Speaker 1: He's not this guy that we've seen these like other
Speaker 1: high level prospects at the position. And he's a good receiver,
Speaker 1: but like there's risk associated with it, and usually in
Speaker 1: the draft about mitigating risk. And I think I said
Speaker 1: this to you, Jason, like, maybe you're mitigating risk because
Speaker 1: he can play both.
Speaker 3: But I think Fred bought a probably a great point.
Speaker 1: If you force feed him both things, he's I think
Speaker 1: he's for sure gonna fail because it's just so much
Speaker 1: more challenging at the NFL level. The schemes are more complicated,
Speaker 1: the physicality is more intense, the seasons longer, like he's
Speaker 1: just gonna get beat up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And let me ask you this. If I told you
Speaker 4: he got drafted, we turned the page. He got drafted
Speaker 4: to the Tennessee Tides with the Mayonnaise Man will live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, do we see him?
Speaker 4: Because that's a team that would say we gotta say tickets,
Speaker 4: we need you to play both.
Speaker 2: They'll force feed him. Now.
Speaker 4: If he goes to New England with Drake may yeah,
Speaker 4: maybe you got a shot. Maybe maybe you got a
Speaker 4: shot now. So sometimes it ain't just about the player,
Speaker 4: it's about the destination.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And if you at the top of the draft, you
Speaker 4: already know you're going to a terrible team.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think, yeah, man, And I.
Speaker 1: Think it's just the way he tackles and the way
Speaker 1: he plays like he's not refined like you watch those
Speaker 1: other guys like they're more physical, they're more And.
Speaker 4: That's why I had to take wheel jes because when
Speaker 4: he just more refined in every aspect of dB.
Speaker 1: Yep, no, I agree, man, dude, Fred, this was a
Speaker 1: lot of fun mantime.
Speaker 2: Many time I can prove you wrong, Professor, I am
Speaker 2: with it.
Speaker 3: Well, I would defer to you on this.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: You've got a really good feel for for defensive back play,
Speaker 1: obviously because you were a really good player in your
Speaker 1: time here, obviously. So that's gonna do it for today show.
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