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Speaker 1: On today's episode of Take of the Draft podcast, Fred

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Speaker 1: smoot is our special guest.

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Speaker 2: At list top Cup of Special List.

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Speaker 1: That's right, we're talking safeties, cornerbacks, all the dbs. Fred

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Speaker 1: gives you what he's looking for when he's watching film.

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Speaker 1: We talked Travis Hunter wide receiver dB and then number

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Speaker 1: Fred's number one defensive back might surprise you.

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Speaker 2: It all starts right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome Innute Tick of the Draft Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Logan Paulson here with just the guy Jason, and

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Speaker 1: today is a special day because we have the mouth

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Speaker 1: of the South, Fred smoot and we're here talking defensive backs.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into that, make sure you leave a

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Speaker 1: comment makes you like him, subscribe. Those comments really help

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Speaker 1: us kind of dictate future content. Let us know what

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Speaker 1: you like, let us know what you don't like. But

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Speaker 1: now that that housekeeping is taken care of.

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Speaker 4: Fred Smootie, Now he got comedy this time of year.

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Speaker 4: What do I tell you when I get it to

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Speaker 4: my zine? All right, when I get into this this

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Speaker 4: draft process, when the computer store what to work and

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Speaker 4: still have to compute, I go by smoothy mcshae moody.

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Speaker 3: I want to write that down smoothie mix shade. I

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Speaker 3: thought was uh Fred Kuiper.

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Speaker 4: And you know, the one thing about Kayper is he's

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Speaker 4: just like the local weather man. Uh he's wrong most

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Speaker 4: of the time, and nobody seems to care.

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Speaker 3: So, uh, Jason, you got anything you want to say?

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Speaker 5: What I wanted to say is that Fred is our

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Speaker 5: favorite guest on this show because you and him get

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Speaker 5: into it about who is the real draft guru for

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Speaker 5: a command center, right, Fred definitely thinks it's him. Logan,

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Speaker 5: You're like, it's clearly men that if anybody listened to

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Speaker 5: our podcast last year, we did an episode that we're

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Speaker 5: going to do another one this year, but last year's

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Speaker 5: it was called Guaranteed Ballers, and each one of you

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Speaker 5: drafted six guys that you were like, they're going to

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Speaker 5: guarantee ball out this upcoming year.

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Speaker 3: Well, guess what. The year's over. We saw how they did.

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Speaker 2: I think not.

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Speaker 5: Here's what you guys put up on the line, do

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Speaker 5: you reader, I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nope, nope.

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Speaker 5: One of you had to get on a knee and

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Speaker 5: say to the other you are the true draft guru

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Speaker 5: and I personally am nothing and nothing. That's what you

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Speaker 5: had to do. So here's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Guys, I think interrupt, but I think two of my

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Speaker 3: guys got hurt last year.

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Speaker 5: They got nothing to do, all right, So here's what

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Speaker 5: we're gonna I've already talked to producers of our other shows,

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Speaker 5: and this feels like something needs to be.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 5: So one our Command Center, the one right before the draft.

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Speaker 2: Reveal the results right before right.

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Speaker 5: It will be on that show. The commandser at least

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Speaker 5: releases right before the drift April or something or another. Right,

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Speaker 5: we will reveal it live on Command Center, and we

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Speaker 5: will have either Fred or Logan getting down on one

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Speaker 5: knee bring and they're saying you, so, I'm not going

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Speaker 5: to tell you the results yet. I find out why.

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Speaker 5: So everybody needs a tune into that, and we're gonna

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Speaker 5: do that. We're going to do this again too. Fred

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Speaker 5: you already said he'll come back on for one of

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Speaker 5: our next pots. We'll do guarantee draft ballers for the

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Speaker 5: next year, and we'll have to find another penalty for

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Speaker 5: getting that wrong this time. But I already know the results.

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Speaker 5: I'm super exer I'm telling you, I'm so excited.

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Speaker 2: It's okay, So let's get it.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna get out of here because I don't know

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Speaker 5: anything at all, being just a guy about DB's and

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Speaker 5: we have one of the best to ever put on

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Speaker 5: the Burgundy and gold at dB here with us, Fred Smoot.

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Speaker 5: So he's going to break it down with you, Logan

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Speaker 5: the draft guru, Right.

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Speaker 3: No, at least for the time being super conflict.

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Speaker 4: Myself the draft guru. He's the draft professor. Gotcha, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: draft that's a great take it away.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's see, let's get into defensive backs and

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Speaker 1: so let's just super high level friend. Yeah, what are

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Speaker 3: You're looking for a DV just super high light rights.

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Speaker 4: First of all, I'm looking for high football IQ. Everybody

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't be here if you want athlete, all right,

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for a high IQ. That means can I

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Speaker 4: play all coverages? Can I make my plays within the coverage?

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Speaker 4: And can I manipulate players to do what I want

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: So I'm looking for guys that then played a lot

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Speaker 4: I'm also looking for length. I love length, and sometimes

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Speaker 4: this get out of trouble ability right there. It gives

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Speaker 2: Of trouble having that length.

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Speaker 4: And to me, it stops the number one route that

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Speaker 2: You've got long ums.

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Speaker 4: It kind of prohibits people from running go routes on you.

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Speaker 2: So I also love lint. I also love.

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Speaker 4: Quick twitch and sticky people. And the quick twitch is

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Speaker 4: the ability to go from zero to one hundred. It's

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Speaker 4: like driving a corvette. You want to know what the

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Speaker 4: all right, And I want guy that can move in

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Speaker 4: I think your plays are going to be made in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about a couple things. Let's double

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Speaker 1: click on it real quick. So, like the high football

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Speaker 1: important for defensive back. On when you're watching film, how

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Speaker 1: know you mentioned that line up in multiple spots. I

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Speaker 4: To see them play route combinations? Anticipation. That's telling me. One,

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Speaker 4: you study because you don't jump routes that you haven't

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Speaker 4: studied like two. This telling me you taking what you

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Speaker 4: So not only are your study of but you trust

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Speaker 4: If you line up through yours outside the numbers and

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Speaker 4: go out, I mean go outside, I'm going inside regardless.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the route combination.

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Speaker 1: It's so interesting looking at your description of you're listening

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Speaker 1: clarification things. So for me with a DV, let's just

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Speaker 1: a competitive toughness. I probably value that more than you.

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Speaker 2: I would say, no, no, I love a competitor.

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Speaker 4: Like the one thing about being a competitive what it

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Speaker 4: does is it's telling me, no matter what happens in

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Speaker 4: and you have to be that way because you're gonna

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Speaker 4: get burned in the NFL. So competitor goes very high

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Speaker 4: on my list cause this mentality that's part of the

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Speaker 2: I got to have that, but go I got to

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Speaker 1: And I also look and I also and we friend

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Speaker 3: So that's one thing.

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Speaker 1: That's one thing that I, again, I value pretty heavily.

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Speaker 1: So those are some things that I'm looking at. I

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Speaker 1: agree with Fred. The situational awareness stuff is so important

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Speaker 1: for corner. Yeah, you just got to be smart down.

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Speaker 4: It's where we on the field, fifty yard line. It's

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Speaker 2: Like just understanding the game awareness.

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Speaker 1: So Okay, that's kind of high level stuff and I

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Speaker 1: think that's all really good. And there's something all subjective

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Speaker 3: But let's talk about these terms. Are you're familiar?

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Speaker 1: So one of the terms that I hear thrown around

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Speaker 1: You're listening to any draft analyst talk about TV there

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Speaker 1: like he's got great clicking clothes, Yes, Fred, Yes, what

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Speaker 2: That's seeing it and going getting it?

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Speaker 4: Like, if you want me to put it in lameish terms,

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Speaker 4: he closes to the ball and he takes the air

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Speaker 4: out of it. He understands angles. I see most people

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Speaker 4: they can see something, but they take the wrong angle

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Speaker 4: to go make the play like they having the ability

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Speaker 4: And this has got to be tenth of a second. Now,

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Speaker 4: this is not a two second thing. Like you have

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Speaker 4: love about a guy like Will Johnson in this group,

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Speaker 4: you're talking about clicking and closing. This guy right here,

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Speaker 4: and that's why I got him as the best he

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Speaker 4: lot of people, but I'm sorry he is.

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Speaker 1: And we're definitely going to talk about that more in detail.

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Speaker 1: And you know, again who's my number one and where

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Speaker 1: the rest of the list falls. But I also think

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Speaker 1: clicking clothes to me is like when I see that,

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Speaker 1: but there's also the physical element where you see the footwork.

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Speaker 4: As a defensive beat coach, I can clean up you,

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Speaker 2: Now that's a different between me and sticky and handsy.

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Speaker 4: Sticky mean you're never floating, You're never too far away

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about I'm chopping.

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Speaker 4: They got me going because the more and more I

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Speaker 2: And then I said, maybe in this group is a

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's that's one hundred percent right. So sticky, proximity, handsy.

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Speaker 2: I basically walked into DBU.

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Speaker 1: Yeah all right. And then the last one, which I

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Speaker 4: You only need to strove closing speed when you when

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it, and they think about it like

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Speaker 1: So now I think the moment we've all been waiting

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Speaker 1: I guess, Fred, why don't you give me your ten

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Speaker 2: We're going to start with Trey Amos from O Me reason.

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Speaker 4: You know, I don't like too much from Old Miseries,

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Speaker 4: but they do JJ Pergeze, they big Dtac, I do

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say that. And we talked about being a competitor. Two,

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Speaker 4: he's played against high notch competition.

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Speaker 3: He's been in a bunch of different schools.

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Speaker 4: He understands like when I look at some DB's and

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Speaker 4: you look at them mathematically and chrammatically and how they

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Speaker 4: do is they what I call a jack of all trades.

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Speaker 4: They're not grated no one thing, but they're good at

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Speaker 4: a lot. And Trey ain't is epitomizes that my flaws

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Speaker 1: Dude, I kind of feel the same way. So he's

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Speaker 1: other guys that just didn't quite make it, but he's

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Speaker 3: A little bit off balance, right, I didn't feel nothing.

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Speaker 2: You can clean up though, yes, And.

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Speaker 1: Like, that's why I'm watching him, like he's a little

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: He's kind of like a hidden confidence. I get there.

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Speaker 4: But also he showed me why receiver traits and that's

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Speaker 4: what I'd like to see in my BBS because you

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Speaker 4: got two type of cornerbacks. You got your cornerbacks that

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Speaker 4: used to play running back and you got your cornerbacks

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Speaker 2: I tend to go with the why receive.

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Speaker 4: A group because now you think like a wide receiver

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Speaker 4: him to get drafted to a play a parental playoff

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Speaker 4: ten year of Pittsburgh stealer. He's that type of guy.

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Speaker 4: Will he ever make it to All pro status? I'm

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Speaker 4: not saying that, but could he be a Pro Bowl

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Speaker 2: I think he could.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know, he's a big guy.

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Speaker 1: He's about six one. He's like I think he's six

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Speaker 3: Who's your ninth guy?

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Speaker 2: Fro Exavier Wise now notre dame.

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Speaker 3: Listen, safety for safety.

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Speaker 2: For another dame?

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Speaker 4: Do you pity me of what we just talked about?

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Speaker 4: Good at everything, great at nothing but ball. I Q

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Speaker 1: He's a fun he's so I'm really glad you put

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Speaker 4: To I've been saying when I watched him, he jumps

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Speaker 4: Do I see you do that on slint routes? Do

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Speaker 4: This is a coach's dream. Listen, when a coach get

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Speaker 4: can't wait to see you at practice themorrow, and you

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Speaker 4: worry about nothing because you know the interlactor is there

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Speaker 4: and you know professionalism.

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Speaker 2: This is what this guy's about.

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Speaker 3: So I don't disagree that anything you said. The one.

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Speaker 1: He's a he's a heck of a ball player, man

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Speaker 4: I would not say that because I played with a

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Speaker 3: This guy's not that.

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Speaker 1: And then when you watch him the post, he doesn't

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Speaker 4: I've seen him sometime you go away from player that

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Speaker 2: Had never met a better pro.

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Speaker 4: You had never met a guy that literally the chicks

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Speaker 1: And again Ryan was special in terms of physical violence. Again, like,

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Speaker 4: I think early on in his career he a package guy.

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Speaker 4: He'll be a part of and then he can hopefully

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Speaker 1: Okay, and this so number eight I'm really excited for

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Speaker 2: He's a competitor.

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Speaker 4: just long is you can see and he makes listen.

441
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,280
Speaker 4: I should put the signature right there, Fred Smooth. Like,

442
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,000
Speaker 4: I can't wait to watch the DRE because you know

443
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,639
Speaker 4: they always do comps. They'll probably have to comfort to

444
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:15,399
Speaker 4: I'm sorry. He plays with an intensity, he plays with

445
00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 4: a swagger.

446
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 2: He makes plays too.

447
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,200
Speaker 4: Now, like we're not just talking about got it because

448
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,639
Speaker 4: the one thing I don't like is hollow dB Like

449
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 4: I need to see some numbers. I need to see

450
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Speaker 4: you make an impact on the game. This guy makes

451
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Speaker 4: an impact on the game. Allah, Fred smooth, two point zero.

452
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,720
Speaker 4: That's what you got. He's gonna get the ball back.

453
00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,800
Speaker 4: He ain't scared to throw it in there and tackle.

454
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,440
Speaker 4: He'll be good and special teams from the door. This guy, right,

455
00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 4: he'll make slaves.

456
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

457
00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,959
Speaker 1: And so you're watching versus Louisville playing off coverage man,

458
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,400
Speaker 1: his ability to read kind of bait the quarterback they're

459
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,640
Speaker 1: running like a smash concepts a five yard hitch corner

460
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 1: behind you. Yeah, he intentionally hugs the hitch knowing I'm

461
00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 1: jetting me.

462
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he jets back. Makes a great player in

463
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Speaker 3: the football.

464
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Speaker 1: He's competitive in man coverage at times, a little handsy,

465
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 1: but in college member, all these guys are little bit here.

466
00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 3: I think he's competent in run support.

467
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: There's times on screens and stuff where he gets a

468
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: little bit, but like he's gonna fit his gap and

469
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: do what he's supposed to do. The Again, he wasn't

470
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Speaker 1: on my list. And this is again one of those

471
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Speaker 1: things that the analytics snurd in me does not like

472
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 1: about the drafts because he's a good football player. But

473
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,359
Speaker 1: usually outside corners who runs slower than four or five

474
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 1: are not successful long term outside So he ran a

475
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Speaker 1: four five three four five four at the combine.

476
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Speaker 3: That's legit time.

477
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,360
Speaker 2: Plays faster, and that's what I'm saying.

478
00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 3: He's a good play like him.

479
00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 1: These So these two guys right here, And I'm glad

480
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Speaker 1: that's why we're having you on, yeah, because I get

481
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: a caught up in the draft stuff. You said, I'm

482
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,679
Speaker 1: a professor, right, I got my math, my numbers, my formulas.

483
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 1: So eight and nine or nine to eight are good

484
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 1: football players, objectively good football players. They're tough, they're competitive,

485
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Speaker 1: they're what you want on the team. I worry about

486
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Speaker 1: physical threshold here a little bit, and I think that's

487
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Speaker 1: just to give you a different perspective.

488
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Speaker 2: I'm more of a guru and glaru goes with fields.

489
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Speaker 2: It goes with fields.

490
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Speaker 5: Hey do me a favor. Are who are we talking

491
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Speaker 5: about here?

492
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: So this is this is Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant from

493
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: Kansas dB plays outside corner.

494
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, good football player.

495
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,959
Speaker 2: I think he's and he's basically he's a Frenchman.

496
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 4: I think he's going to be a better pro than

497
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 4: he is A he was a college player.

498
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Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Again, like the tape, the

499
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,280
Speaker 1: tape is the tape. Yeah it's to me, it's the

500
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,160
Speaker 1: athletic threshold.

501
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Speaker 3: There is not a long history.

502
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 1: Just like with offensive lineman tackles with under thirty two

503
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: in charms, they tend not to play outside and maybe

504
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: you feel like you could move him in the nickel.

505
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's got that skill set. It's

506
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: a different skill set.

507
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 4: I think you would survive more outside because he knows

508
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 4: how to play the high i Q game.

509
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 2: He understands.

510
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 4: He reminds me a lot of Sale Madison also, and

511
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 4: how he plays his out man like. He has some

512
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 4: qualities and that's what I want. His DNA says, I

513
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,720
Speaker 4: can survive. Runda Barber ran a four five forty. He's

514
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 4: a he's a nickel, but he was a nickel that

515
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 4: played outside. He only played nickel when they when they

516
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 4: went into the die package out of nickel package. But

517
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:00,879
Speaker 4: other than that run day he played outside and it

518
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Speaker 4: survive wheel.

519
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a fun guy to watch.

520
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: He's a little again, Like I know, people compare like

521
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 1: I've seen National comps to him to like Emmanuel Forbes.

522
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 3: He's much more physical.

523
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 2: No, he plays strong, going at the top of the

524
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 2: route all of day.

525
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: And his techniques better, like we talked about that clicking codes.

526
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 1: Like his footwork's really tight. He's very balanced. He's a

527
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: heck of a heck of a football player. Sorry, now

528
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you my ten nine eight and we'll

529
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 1: do a little analysis on each one.

530
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna go.

531
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 1: This one was tough for me. Yeah, I didn't want

532
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: to put him on here, but I couldn't resist.

533
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 2: Like what one thing forced you to put him on?

534
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you about hi right now. So Darren Porter,

535
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,440
Speaker 1: cornerback Iowa State. If you're a Commander's fan, I'm sure

536
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: you've heard about him. He's six two and a half,

537
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: he's two hundred pounds. He ran up four to two

538
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: eight at the combine, got a forty inch vertical. He

539
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 1: had the fastest three cone. Like, dude's a physical freak.

540
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: And it scares me. He's been in doesn't match out

541
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: of task.

542
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 3: So he's been in college for six years.

543
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is his first year playing dB and physically

544
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: you can do anything you want. Yeah, I agree with you.

545
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: The film is not always there. The thing that got

546
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 1: me on there is when I looked at the three cone,

547
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: when I looked at the forty, when I looked at

548
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the vertical, and he did the head. There was a

549
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 1: dig he was playing. I forget which team they were playing.

550
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: There was a dig route and he got himself in

551
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: bad position. Guy's running a dig and his ability to

552
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: turn his hips drive the dig.

553
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, close the window. I'm like this, dude, someone's gonna

554
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,120
Speaker 3: look at this guy.

555
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 4: It's going to be a team that can has the chance. Yes, right,

556
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 4: And I hate to say it, I'm about to throw

557
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 4: up in my mouth. Sounds like something had Roseman to do.

558
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 4: Get this guy, draft this guy stashing for two years,

559
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 4: teach him how to play the cornerback position, how to

560
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 4: save the position, and before you know it, he's out

561
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: there like he has all the miserables. Yeah, and I

562
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 4: see this all the time. But these guys has this

563
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: miserable but don't have the fund.

564
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

565
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: And again I don't disagree with what Fred said, Like

566
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: he's got some good plays, he got some flash plays,

567
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 1: but it's a little inconsistent.

568
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 2: It's the routine play. He's there.

569
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: That's the thing is I don't I'm not there with

570
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 1: it right, But I just think you look at the athlete,

571
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 1: you look at the physicality, you look at the length.

572
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 1: He had three inch arms, and he's like an offensive

573
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: lineman out there, like and when you look at it

574
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: and pressed situations with hands on receivers, I'm like, this

575
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: dude can cover anybody.

576
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 3: But he's not always balanced. His footwork's not always great.

577
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: So for me again, I just was like, and I

578
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: think the other thing I'll say about him is I

579
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: think there's a want to there that I submitt you

580
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Speaker 1: that I.

581
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: Like, you know, I think you at the lead over IQ,

582
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: and I think I'm IQ.

583
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 1: This is the only one for me that I was like,

584
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: this is this is I am acknowledging, Like this is a.

585
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 3: Hail Mary for me.

586
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: I In terms of football player film, I like Kobe

587
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: Bryant better. I like Trey Amos better on film. But

588
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: I just thought, like, if you're looking upside here because

589
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,239
Speaker 1: you're projecting, there's not a player in this class that

590
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: has more upside this I think we see him the

591
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: same way. I just rated him a little bit differently.

592
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: But if the situation is right and you can develop him,

593
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: I think he'd be a great I did.

594
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,239
Speaker 4: Say it if I'm a dB coach, in which if

595
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,120
Speaker 4: you a dB coach, your job he is on the line.

596
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm taking Kobe Bryant because.

597
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: He's he's ready, He's he's more developed.

598
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: But if you if you can sit for a year

599
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: and understand what you're going to get out of him,

600
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: he's an older prospect when you're playing dB. Just thought

601
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: i'd throw that name in there. The next one, number

602
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: nine for me is Benjamin Morrison from Notre Dame, cornerback

603
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: outside player, coming off a hip surgery. This is his

604
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 1: second hip surgery since he's been in college. He only

605
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: played five games I think five games in college show guys.

606
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: On this list.

607
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 1: The thing about him is, I think he's very consistent. Yeah,

608
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: I think he plays good man coverage. I think he's

609
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: got a solid fielding zone. But the thing that really

610
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: sold me was his ability to play man like he.

611
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: In his size.

612
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: Dude, Liz, be honest, he is a Dan Queen's delight.

613
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 2: I'm talking. But he's sixty three.

614
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 3: No, he's he's six to one. I think I think

615
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: he measured its six and five eightsps just under it.

616
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: But he big guy, long arm Lon long long long.

617
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 4: Arms, Like you say, Chris man Delight, like he he

618
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 4: understands how to get it done.

619
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 2: Are you worried about a dB with two heel pens?

620
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 4: This was what This was hard for me because why

621
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 4: he didn't make my least there's a dude.

622
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 3: I'm worried about it.

623
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: But then I look at the other guys on this

624
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: list and we'll talk about that when we get there.

625
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that were really banged up

626
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: in this class, like that are good football players banged up?

627
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: And I just said, like based on the film, like

628
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: when he's playing, I don't know anything about the medical,

629
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: I don't know anything. We don't know anything about the

630
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: medical right now. But he is a guy that to

631
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: me really stuck out in a in a positive way

632
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 1: from the competitor.

633
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 3: The ability to play it. Again, like we didn't talk

634
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: about this, we were talking about trace.

635
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm looking for in dB because of how much man

636
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: people play in the NFL I really value man coverage

637
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: traits and you think the risk is worth the reward.

638
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about the medical. I don't know

639
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: anything about the medical. That's all I'm saying. But like

640
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: you see it right, his ability to click and close,

641
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: play game, he can tackle, he takes plays in big games.

642
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: He covered dude, he went one on one. They put

643
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,880
Speaker 1: him one on one with Marvin Errison Junior. Yeah, most

644
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: definitely last year and he locked him down. Yeah, so

645
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: he is a he's a football player. I like him

646
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot, but again, the injury history is really tough there,

647
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: and I think he would make a lot of sense

648
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: based on what I just said. The man covers thing

649
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: A zari A. Thomas from Florida State talk about big dude. Now,

650
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: he's like six one and a half. He's got long arms,

651
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 1: thirty two inch arms. He's a big dude. He's two

652
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: hundred and five pounds. He's physical outdoors. He's got that

653
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: dog in front. He's got that dog.

654
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 4: When I think of him, I just think of a

655
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 4: football play. Yeah, dude, like football player. I could probably

656
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: end up at safety before my career. Thover, Like I

657
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 4: am a football player.

658
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: He's one of them. Coach. What you need me to do,

659
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: I've got.

660
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: And again the reason he's lower on my list because

661
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people say, oh, I've heard

662
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: he's going to be in the first round. I heard

663
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: he's going to be the fourth to be. He's not

664
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: the fourth one.

665
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 3: BB.

666
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know because he doesn't. There's zero zone coverage

667
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: on his tape.

668
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: I can say they didn't x him to do it.

669
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: I can't get may it.

670
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: And so you watch him at the Senior Bowl. He

671
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: does a great job and man situations, locking everybody down.

672
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: Like he's big, he's physically, he's long. He understands how

673
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: to play press, he understands how to play man, just period.

674
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 1: He is a violent tackler, which I love. Like he

675
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: had sixty eight tackles this year. Yeah for a receiver

676
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: or corn Yeah, which is insane. So like, again, my

677
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: guy's different from Fred, Darren Porter obviously upside play, but

678
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: Benjamin Morris the man coverage as Ari Thomas de man

679
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: and man coverage and the physicality in the run game.

680
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: They are again not overly instinctive. The thing that Fred

681
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: talked about most in his lists or at the top

682
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: was like instincts, Yeah, Benjamin Morris.

683
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: Maybe, but the other guys are physical freaks.

684
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that I think project better to be NFL pros

685
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: because of their ability to play man coverage. Yep, all right,

686
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: I want to go seven six 'y five for me

687
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: here real quick.

688
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: Friends, Well, I'm gonna start it at seven right there,

689
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 4: Max seven, Yeah, Harriston, I think both us level his key.

690
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Maxwell Harrison from Kentucky.

691
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: Tech from Kentucky, jess a doll.

692
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 4: You open his chests up, He's got to be a

693
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: chatchaw some dagar wolf inside this kid.

694
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: You want to talk about film, jump off the film.

695
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: Watching his film is.

696
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: Just a delight me because this guy one looks like

697
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: he enjoyed playing the game. You know, I love traits

698
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: of high IQ and instinct. He has it all like

699
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: he understands the game of football. And you know how

700
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: we talked about, uh, Trey am is not playing with

701
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 4: his hair on fire like, well, this guy, to me

702
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: plays with his hair on fire. And I think that's

703
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 4: the difference in this guy. So I think only if

704
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: you draft this guy, are you getting testing well topeach,

705
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 4: I mean top knock actually, but you also getting somebody

706
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: I think gonna bring a locker room presence because I'm

707
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: just I want to see his personality a little bit.

708
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 4: So I went YouTube him a little bit, seeing a

709
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 4: little bit of this person So now I'm also I

710
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: like to get people into a locker room. And when

711
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: you talk about this guy, Mike's he was one of

712
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 4: the best, the funniest films I watched.

713
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, Maxel Harrison. Again, I agree he's he's a little undersized,

714
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: but he ran that. Fortunately, I don't worry about size,

715
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and he's got decent length. He's got he's about six

716
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: foot like. He's not a small guy. He's a little

717
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,479
Speaker 1: bit skinny like, but he's one hundred and eighty five

718
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: pound andy seven pounds, so not ninety.

719
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: Right, So it's all all takes and weights.

720
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 1: You see him running, it's impressive. He's not afraid to tackle.

721
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: That's also good. Only played seven games last year because

722
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: of a solid shoulder injury. So a little bit concerning

723
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: the thing Fred that I wanted to bring up to

724
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: because again with Maxwell Harrison, I see a guy who

725
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: understands coverage.

726
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: Yes, good in zone coverage.

727
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: Yes, round combination, he gets him up.

728
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: He gets it, Yeah, he gets it.

729
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: The thing about Maxwell that I couldn't get my head around.

730
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: Is every hen't he doesn't play man coverage, well, he.

731
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: Go to think about it because he's technique. It's off

732
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 4: at times he don't. I always tell a player that

733
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: trusts his technique and leans on his technique, especially win

734
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 4: he gets hard and a player they say, I'm gonna

735
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: lean on my athletic ability and when you run a

736
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 4: four to two you can't help but say I can

737
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: do it with my speed instead of saying no, I

738
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 4: need to stay square and stay in his back pedal

739
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,239
Speaker 4: until he turns his hip and dips his shoulder like

740
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: so trusting technique and this is nothing but like I said,

741
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: an NFL coach to clean up because it's a lot

742
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 4: to work with with this kid.

743
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: So again, in off coverage, Maxwell Hurston is a beast

744
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: like he does a great job anticipating rock concepts, interceptions,

745
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: the man coverage stuff. And also I didn't think I

746
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up Fredick because and you understand this

747
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: because you played dB versus the bigger receivers. I felt

748
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: got like a little bit quiet, you know what I'm saying.

749
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: He just he didn't have the physicality to deal with it. Again,

750
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: he's like I think twelve on my list, right, So

751
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: just just off the.

752
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: Customer, right.

753
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 4: I just think it's just so much to work with

754
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 4: him that he's one of those things where dB coach

755
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 4: can't wait to get him in the room. Yeah, because

756
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: whatever he doesn't do well, I feel like I can clean.

757
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: Up as a coach.

758
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

759
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: And again like film's good. I actually like Kobe Bryant

760
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: film a little bit better. But I think the athletic

761
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: upside of hers.

762
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: I would say the athlete sticks out yes on him

763
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 4: ever since.

764
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, the next guy.

765
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 4: In number six, man, he could have easily been my

766
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 4: number three. I'm just gonna keep it one hundred like

767
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 4: this is how this is how.

768
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: High I am on.

769
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: From Carolina, East Carolina, small school guy.

770
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: Listen, my man is a dog. Listen to your dog.

771
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: This is when I always tell people, if you really

772
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: want to know a good DV. They like probably picking

773
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: off go route. That mean you didn't get me deep

774
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: and you were faster than the receiver you got that. No,

775
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: when I see you picking off crossing routes over and

776
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: over and over again, and not only does he pick

777
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 4: them off routinely, like the angles that he taken our

778
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 4: special when he when he makes his mind up to

779
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 4: put his foot on the gas and get down hill

780
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: with that left. Oh my god, listen to me. This

781
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 4: kid is I put him to. I compare him to

782
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 4: Antonio Kramar.

783
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: Dude, love that.

784
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: It's a great com Yes, sir, but I will say

785
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: this and this is a good thing.

786
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 3: Yes, my man wants to tackle.

787
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: Crow was tackling when he first got a lead. Crow

788
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 4: was tackling when he first got lead. But you know

789
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: that lyft Crow gat the ball skiels. Yeah, when I

790
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: first out, like this is this one of his masks? Huh?

791
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: Because I'm there serious logan. This dude jumped off the tape.

792
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, I would this will be

793
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 4: the third d being taken for me.

794
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: Dude, Well, we'll talk about some other guy. But he

795
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: so acl this last year. Yeah, only played three games.

796
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: He hasn't done any testing this offseason. That's the thing

797
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: that pushed me down.

798
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: But watching his tape, he runs a four to three.

799
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 3: Dude, he is so I'll tell you, so this is it? Wait,

800
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: like we Shavon Revel, we love him. He does the

801
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: things I like.

802
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: He tackles, he's physical, he plays man covered at a crazy,

803
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: high level.

804
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: He's instinctive. A couple of things that make me a

805
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: little bit worried. The injury. Obviously, he's playing at East Carolina.

806
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: They don't bother me.

807
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: But against if you watch him against Michigan, Yes.

808
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: He played ball dog a dog.

809
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 4: Listen to me, he got that dog getting And guess what.

810
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: I love small school guy because they play with a

811
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 4: chip on their shoulder from the time they get to

812
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: the NFL to the time that they leave this guy

813
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: right here, Like, as a matter of fact, I'm sorry

814
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 4: to you, Schauvelle. I'm sorry for the hate. I'm sorry

815
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 4: for the disrespect. I should replace Baron at three with

816
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 4: shavel That's how I feel. I mean, we reveil, That's

817
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 4: how I feel. I'm sorry, that's how I feel. I'm

818
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 4: starting to feel icky because I didn't do.

819
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: It to me. I feel the same way. I wanted

820
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: to put him above some of those other guys. But

821
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: the injury, the uncertainty. You didn't see it this year

822
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: from him. Yeah that's again Fred and nine. Yeah he's

823
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: six for me too. Yeah he's exactly six. Because I

824
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: love him, but I was like, I can't put him

825
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: above healthy people that have done the process.

826
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: Yes, I can't do it, and that's what I'm saying.

827
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: But that's why he wasn't at three. I really want

828
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 4: to put him ahead of Baron because I just feel like,

829
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 4: because I'm trying to project as a pro now I

830
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 4: know what you're being in college, I'm saying, who's gonna

831
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: click with the pro game faster? And now that I'm

832
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: really really thinking about it in my head, he should

833
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: have been three and I should have been talking about

834
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 4: Bearing right there at six.

835
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so let's talk about your number five real quick?

836
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: Who I also love? Yes, the cash Starks from Georgia Place.

837
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: Safety eety most definitely. Now you want to talk about

838
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: mental warfare?

839
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: Dude?

840
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: Could you do you like this comparison Earl Thomas. I

841
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: don't think he's that fast instinct. Yeah, you're saying, you're

842
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: saying the intelligence.

843
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 2: Intelligence, the size, ye, the move he fluent.

844
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like when he moves it's no wasted steps.

845
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,439
Speaker 1: So I'll say this about him, like he's a big dude.

846
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: He's like six to one and a half. He's two

847
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,959
Speaker 1: hundred and five, two hundred ten pounds, a big big guy. Yeah,

848
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: he plays like Nickel.

849
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 4: That's what I'm telling you he minds me of Branch

850
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 4: from Detroit.

851
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: Dude, I think that's a better comp for me. Branch

852
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: is a little bit more physically violent. You can play nickel,

853
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: you can play posts, you can play the linebacker in

854
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: a time situation.

855
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: We don't know where you're going to be when the

856
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: play starts.

857
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 4: And he didn't play some big tame football against some

858
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: big time whie receives the big stage is not too

859
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 4: big for him. He's He's one of another one of

860
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 4: these guys I do everything good, nothing great.

861
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

862
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: The thing that I love about him, yeah, it's I

863
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: feel like he just is a He's a.

864
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: Good football player.

865
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: You get out to the Keyston.

866
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: And he can play man coverage, which is important to me.

867
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: He's a great tackler. Yeah, Like he's so consistent, instinctive,

868
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: and he's good at wrapping up. He gets you on

869
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: the ground, He's not afraid of it. He takes good angles.

870
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: So I know people like I wanted to put him higher,

871
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: I didn't. I'll explain why when we get to the

872
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: other person that's a little bit higher on the list.

873
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: Is he is He's just such a high floor player.

874
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: People are criticizing him because he doesn't have a lot

875
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: of ball production, doesn't really bother me that much.

876
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: Cut the ball fouls funny, right, all right?

877
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: But I like both those guys.

878
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: So let's talk about my I've been through seven to

879
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: five Brock. So Jacob Parish from Kansas say, I don't

880
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: know if you watch this guy.

881
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: Did watch him, dude?

882
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: He's a ballplayer, man, He's probably gonna play Nickel.

883
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: He's a ball playing Jesse. But you're gonna have to

884
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 2: move him inside. Yeah.

885
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: So I think he's just got a great feel like

886
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: in man coverage, he's got a great feel. He matches

887
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: up against people. He plays outside corner at Kansas State.

888
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: He I think he has got a good field for

889
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: playing bigger guys. He plays through the hands, He's got

890
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: a good feel for the balls in the air. He's

891
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: physical in the run game, he can blitz, he can

892
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: play Nickel like he's just a physical Mikey Sanders reminds

893
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: me of Mikey Center.

894
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: That's exactly. That's exactly reminds me.

895
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 4: I'm just asking because when I was watching the field,

896
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 4: like I've seen this player before, you know, I've seen it, and.

897
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: That that's because I love Mikey coming out.

898
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: And that's how I feel about this guy.

899
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: And I think you'd be talking about Jacob Parrish if

900
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: he went to a bigger if he went to Michigan

901
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: in the same way you're talking about Mikey Sander So

902
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: like he just does.

903
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: He's he ran a four to three at the time.

904
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 4: No, no, this is why I say it, Mikeyy Sanders. It's

905
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 4: like that new doctor Pepper Blue Beery. He just explodes

906
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 4: in your mouth right there watching this guy. He just

907
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 4: explodes off the field. He's very instinctive, don't waste motion.

908
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: That I love a dB that doesn't waste motion. He

909
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: plays angles very good and with the right coaching, he

910
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 4: could be a high end player like he was.

911
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: He missed my list, yeah, by that much.

912
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 1: And I get why because he is probably a true

913
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: nickel at the next of what he's converting.

914
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 3: So there's a little bit of risk there.

915
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: But like you said, Fred, like his footwork's tight, he's

916
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: on balance, he tackles well, he's good, and he's comfortable

917
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: in man cover. He can run with anybody, anybody, and

918
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: he's tough. He's just a tough, tough little.

919
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: Bastard, right. Yeah, Like he did close for making the

920
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: list now.

921
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 1: So he's number seven for me, and then obviously number

922
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: six is Shavon Revel from East Carolina, who we talked

923
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: about for about ten minutes.

924
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: And then this one. Fred.

925
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really excited to get your take on this

926
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: because I did not know what to do with this guy.

927
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: And you know what, I battled and I just said

928
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 4: that I was gonna move him the sixth.

929
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: Move, let's let's leave, let's let's keep the end of

930
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: suspense Baron from Texas.

931
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I did not know what to do with him.

932
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: That's because.

933
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: He he is an issuv.

934
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 3: Okay.

935
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: You know how they make these new sports suv They

936
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: title but grab a couple of kids in there. Not

937
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: quite a sports car, if you know what I mean. Like,

938
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 4: he doesn't show elite quickness.

939
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: But that's that's the thing.

940
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 2: Just a football.

941
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: He didn't show lead quickness, but he ran a four

942
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: to three at the time. But he don't play he

943
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: doesn't play that way.

944
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 4: Well, I don't say he don't play that way because

945
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: he's not really out of phase.

946
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: But that's exactly right. All the things you're saying are true.

947
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: It's like you're in good position, you're playing man coverage. Well,

948
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: you look a little bit apathetic. Sometimes you don't look

949
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: like you're that fast, but you made this play.

950
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 4: So I thought to myself, Logan, who have I seen

951
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: that plays? This just relaxed and it was Derel Reeves. Okay,

952
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 4: And I said, why did Dreil play like that? Because

953
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 4: he won so early he never worked late.

954
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's why.

955
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: I had him at three on mine.

956
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: And I was like, that's why he's he's winning, uh

957
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 4: at the first Mississippi.

958
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: Like, so I can't flag him for being that smart.

959
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 4: So maybe he uses more of his IQ than he

960
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 4: does his athletic ability.

961
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's so again, let's just let's just

962
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: peel this back. He's a really interesting prospect. So I

963
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,800
Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying. Like he's good in coverage,

964
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 1: he's got good clicking clothes. He played outside this year.

965
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: I think he probably plays nickel. And again, like I

966
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: think there's other players. I almost put Jacob Parrish above him,

967
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: but I don't think Jacob Parish gonna play outside. I

968
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: don't know if he's physical enough to play full time nickel.

969
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 6: Like his timing's good, is insign he tackle well on feel,

970
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 6: he didn't like, Listen, this is what I tried to do.

971
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 6: I said, let me go down here and figure it

972
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 6: out through red flags. Okay, all right, because every time

973
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 6: I was trying to give him a green I mean

974
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 6: a green flag, I was just giving him green flag.

975
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: So the effort is always there. Q was there, I

976
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: couldn't find no red flag.

977
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, dude, I yeah, I don't know what.

978
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 3: To tell you. It's a weird.

979
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing for me because I didn't love

980
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: him so but there's nothing wrong with him.

981
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 4: So maybe I said, maybe he won so early the

982
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: challenges wasn't there.

983
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: Maybe, so maybe I just need to see him get

984
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: challenged in the lead. Yeah, and so that's why I

985
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: put him.

986
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: Witherspoon was my coma.

987
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: And again like I like with Witherspoon, that's a just

988
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: sh comp actually, because the Witherspoon had this fire, yes,

989
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: fire to it.

990
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: He's just kind of chilling something.

991
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 6: But he make plays in big game, I know.

992
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 3: But that's why he's fine for me. That's why.

993
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: But he's three from me because.

994
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, I've seen the real Reeves play at

995
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 4: this methodical pace before.

996
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: Dude.

997
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's really, you would know better than

998
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: me because you watch more film, you watch more dB

999
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: film than I do.

1000
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's go four and three.

1001
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: We'll save two and one for the last little bit

1002
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: of conversation because that's really interesting. But let's go four

1003
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: and three. You already talked about your three. Let's talk

1004
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 1: about your four.

1005
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: All right? My four is nick em and you were

1006
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 2: Did I say that em and Warry?

1007
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 3: Yep.

1008
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: Listen, man from South Carolina, big safety. Everyone probably remembers

1009
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 1: him from the combine.

1010
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 2: I can say, come by beasts.

1011
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: He is physically mathematically at sixty three. I think he

1012
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 4: did the bench press with twenty five times. You got

1013
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 4: long arms four three, the closest thing on paper I've

1014
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: seen to Shun Taylor.

1015
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: Dude, Anywhere's twenty works twenty one?

1016
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and listen to me.

1017
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 4: I just watched the film over and over and I

1018
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: was like, now he go to thing. He doesn't have

1019
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 4: this shut hands. He doesn't pray with the physical prisons.

1020
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 3: Dude of Preach Fred Preach.

1021
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: He doesn't.

1022
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: He doesn't come downhill with the bad attentions of Seun

1023
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 4: tas How, he's wired. So maybe somebody he meets somebody

1024
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: in the league that get that dog, true dog out

1025
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: of him and say, you know what your ceiling is,

1026
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: could be here if you take this part of your

1027
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 4: game to the next level. But no problem with him

1028
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 4: in coverage, plays well in space. When this hosse get

1029
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: his head on the ball, town he dropped that thing

1030
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 4: in the fifth gil and he is out of there,

1031
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: shot out of a cannon.

1032
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: He is.

1033
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: Usually these workout warriors don't play with that on film,

1034
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 4: Like I watched John Ross Runner four to two and

1035
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: to come by and never could stop in the league.

1036
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 4: Like this kid right here, ceiling is through the roof.

1037
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: He could have easily been the number one guy on

1038
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 4: this paper right here. He is unbelievable.

1039
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm so glad because again, when you watch him

1040
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: catch the football, when you watch him run with people

1041
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: in man coverage, you're like.

1042
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: Who is that guy?

1043
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: Like tight ends?

1044
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the league, he's having no problem with that chance.

1045
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: And he's got good man coverage in since he's got

1046
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: great range of safeties, a little tightening, little tight in

1047
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: the hips, so like you don't want him, like you just.

1048
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: Want them to play lord, that's it.

1049
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's all there.

1050
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: The one thing I almost did I almost put him

1051
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: at eight, almost put him at eight, but I was

1052
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: like the physical upside too much.

1053
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 3: Because he's not a great tackler. Like remember watching Colin Hilton,

1054
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 3: you watched watch Compton was a dog. Yeah, and he

1055
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: take on blocks. He it runs.

1056
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he could cover a little bit. He's not super fast,

1057
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: but like that's something that you watch enough.

1058
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 3: Db'st red.

1059
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1060
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: If you don't tackle well, like you're out of here man,

1061
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: because I can't trust you, especially playing.

1062
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: Safety, to make that play.

1063
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 4: I think, like I say, I think you get to

1064
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: the league, somebody can reprogram me. I'm gonna tell you

1065
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: like this, he reminded me of dB I played with

1066
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 4: in Minnesota, and it's Darren Shop Okay, Hall of Fame

1067
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 4: defensive back, can go find the ball, can out run

1068
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: a lot.

1069
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: Of people, good size, can play down here.

1070
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 4: But he just wasn't the most physical safety for his size.

1071
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: So this, if you're telling me this the production I'm

1072
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 4: gonna get, I'm with it. Like then what I say,

1073
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 4: he could easily be the number one guy on my list,

1074
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 4: like film is unbelievable. I just wanted him to be

1075
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: more physical at that size and that speed.

1076
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I did watch the Alabama game, which was

1077
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: his worst game. Yeah, and that makes you a little

1078
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: bit nervous. Then you watch like Texas A and M

1079
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: and he's like all over the field. Yeah, and so

1080
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting.

1081
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: Guy.

1082
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: He's number four for me also, just to give you

1083
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: an idea, like where I'm at with him, but like

1084
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: he's he's a heck of an athlete, heck of a

1085
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: heck of his ceiling is all over the place.

1086
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 4: Is enticing, Yeah, most definitely a little a little Darwin

1087
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 4: James in there also, Yeah, but.

1088
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: Darwin is more physical, That's what I'm saying. But the

1089
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 2: echo lip profile.

1090
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the physical, the physicality makes If there's one

1091
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: thing that makes me, it's he's not overly physical, and

1092
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: it makes me nervous a little bit.

1093
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: And he's not a great tackler, So everything else is there. Yeah,

1094
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: it's all there.

1095
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: That's something I'm always gonna be like if I'm in

1096
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: the draft meeting, I'm like, I like him, but we

1097
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: got to make sure he gets with someone who can

1098
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: teach about a tackle.

1099
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 4: All right.

1100
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 3: So you said Johade barn was your three.

1101
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: My three was Malachi Starks from Georgia, who we talked

1102
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: about earlier with you again. I just think his floor

1103
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: is treetop high. I think he's an NFL starting player

1104
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: right now. His film's good. You can play man coverage

1105
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: in the more Ball production, and I can live with

1106
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: that because all the things that like Nick Emmin Warry does,

1107
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: like the movement skills, like Starks isn't the best mover,

1108
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: but he.

1109
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 3: Just every tackle I want to make an emotion.

1110
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be where I got to be and I'm

1111
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: gonna get you know, like, so that's where like I

1112
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: just think that's a that's a football player, Johnny.

1113
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: That's my kind of guy. Right now.

1114
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: I can't wait, honestly talk about one and two with you, Yeah,

1115
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: because I had I was tossed and turning about this

1116
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: my man, about who is gonna go where? And so

1117
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: let's start with you and then I'll tell you my.

1118
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 4: I know, once you seen one, you like he did it.

1119
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 4: He did it, he did it alright. First of all,

1120
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: I was starting with my two. My two is Travis Hunter,

1121
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 4: the Heisman Trophy window from Colorado cornerback, wide receiver. I

1122
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 4: have to look through dB eyes. When I looked through

1123
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 4: dbiyes to me, he was the number two best corner

1124
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 4: in this draft.

1125
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: So talk okay, and this this conversation makes no sense. Yes,

1126
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 1: you're talking about you're number one. Also we're talking about

1127
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 1: it together, yeah, Will Johnson from Michigan.

1128
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: Yes, And just for the record, my two.

1129
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: Is Will Johnson from Michigan and my number one is

1130
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. And it was razor thin close.

1131
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna tell you what made it for me

1132
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: was the physicality, right, Will Johnson's physicality. Will Johnson is

1133
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: basically a faster version of Charles Woodson. Will Johnson at

1134
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 4: six to two hundred pounds, it's a length, is.

1135
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: A specimen of a corner. Will Johnston.

1136
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 4: Right, we look at this and we see Travis Hunter,

1137
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 4: and we'll be like, who's the most explosive guy with

1138
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 4: the ball in his hand?

1139
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: Will jumpson? All right, listen to me, Will justin might

1140
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: be a step faster.

1141
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 4: He's bigger, He's more equipped to be an NFL cornerback

1142
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 4: right now than Travis h And it's aying a lot

1143
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 4: because I compare Travis to a skin of your Champ Bailey. Right.

1144
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 4: His ball Travis Hunter's ball skills are undeniable. He had

1145
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 4: some of the best ball skills I've ever seen, but

1146
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: I have never seen somebody put his foot in the

1147
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: ground and come down here like Will just Will Justson

1148
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 4: has played high end football to the peak of it.

1149
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: He's tackling.

1150
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 4: That's why I thought you were gonna go Will Judson

1151
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 4: because of the physicality.

1152
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why so Will Johnson when you watch

1153
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: his twenty twenty three and he only played seven games

1154
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:51,959
Speaker 1: aside shir kids.

1155
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what the injury was, but mister back

1156
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: two to that. Yeah, he off ball, Yeah.

1157
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: Is unbelievable, Like all the stuff you talk talked about,

1158
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: like what would you high football like Q. His ability

1159
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: to match concepts, well, Johnson does a great.

1160
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: Job of that.

1161
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: His ability to debate guys, he does a great job

1162
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: of his ability to anticipate throws. Well, Johnson does a

1163
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: great job of that. Like it's all like that stuff.

1164
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: It was so good, And this is what I want

1165
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,919
Speaker 1: to ask you about. Yeah, because he's a good tackler too. Yeah,

1166
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 1: I agree. The thing that I couldn't get past, I

1167
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: couldn't find one snap him playing man coverage.

1168
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 2: All right, he was. They was playing this off matches.

1169
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 3: It's like off match zone.

1170
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 2: That's what they was that's what he was.

1171
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: I'm never gonna penalize a player for being xd to

1172
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: do something and mastering it.

1173
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm just not. But with his.

1174
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 4: Athletic profile and those long arms and that strength at

1175
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 4: the point, I have no.

1176
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: Doubt he could play mate. I have no doubt he

1177
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 2: could play every coverage.

1178
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: So that was the thing I was.

1179
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: So I was watching him, and this is again like

1180
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: the off ball stuff is maybe the best I've watched

1181
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: last two years.

1182
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: Three years. It's really, really, really good.

1183
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: The thing that I kept coming back to is like,

1184
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: and this is where I would defer to you, because

1185
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: you watch TV's more than me, is how fast is he?

1186
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: Because he doesn't look like he's that fast.

1187
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 4: I know I see a four to three easily. I

1188
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 4: see a guy I can always tell.

1189
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: Okay, this is another thing I had first three four steps,

1190
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: I can tell. I had a scout tell me that

1191
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: they thought he was gonna run four six? Does that

1192
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 1: change the narrative for you? Knowing me knowing that information,

1193
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: He's still number.

1194
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: Nine for that now.

1195
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 4: I know Indianapolis is very close to Kentucky and Tennessee.

1196
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 4: But what kind of whiskey was he drinking? I don't

1197
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 4: see nothing. This kid probably ran a four or five

1198
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 4: in middle school. Look, I see pure speed.

1199
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: I see. I hate to say, this hurts so bad.

1200
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 4: I see the profile of Shun Springs when he came

1201
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: out of mission.

1202
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 2: I mean.

1203
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: So bad, so bad.

1204
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 4: Shun was six one and a half, two hundred pounds specimen,

1205
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 4: highest dB ever drafted. I see will when I say,

1206
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 4: I see a faster child whistle?

1207
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: What does that tell you?

1208
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 4: Why Kyle Travis a skinny your chump bag, and this

1209
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 4: kid just I'm sorry. He's God's gift to cornerback. He's

1210
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 4: that good to me. He's better than Devil Winn Spoon.

1211
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: I think he's gonna be better than Spoon.

1212
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: I think he got what is you say his weakness?

1213
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 2: You think is speed? I see no weakness.

1214
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: So so that was my only that was only thing

1215
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: is that I didn't see him play a lot of

1216
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: man really any man coverage, because thinking that's not his fault.

1217
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I'm also like man coverage is an

1218
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: important part of.

1219
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 4: I think made me feel a lot more comfortable. He

1220
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: was the best dB on the field. While Saban said

1221
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 4: last year that Mikey Sanders Steel was, pound for pound,

1222
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: the best dB in that draft, Well, this guy jumps

1223
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 4: off on that fence.

1224
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so I like him. I don't like him.

1225
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: I love him.

1226
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned about like I want to see

1227
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,479
Speaker 1: him run because I want to I want to fill

1228
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: my little formula out and do all that math stuff.

1229
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: And I didn't see him play a ton of man,

1230
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: and I know that can be a hard transition for

1231
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: people who he's playing in an NFL defense, So like,

1232
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted, like he's doing high level stuff.

1233
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: And again he's the second guy on my list, and

1234
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: it's very, very close.

1235
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 4: I remembers having an argument last year about Cooper the genie.

1236
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 4: I think I turned out to be right because you

1237
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:25,439
Speaker 4: said I don't know if he can run.

1238
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: I mean I said he wasn't gonna play outside. That's

1239
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: what I said. And I was right about that too.

1240
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: And you were also right about that because you thought

1241
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: he was a true outside corner.

1242
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: I thought he was.

1243
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 2: We gonta see next year because he's gonna be asked

1244
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: to do it.

1245
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 3: That's he could be a down fair.

1246
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 4: Like I said, I never penalized players when they not

1247
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: actually do something, but Travis Hunter tackling in the NFL

1248
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: do you not think there's gonna be a problem.

1249
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 3: So let's talk about Travis Hunter.

1250
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: So Travis Hunter is very raw when you watch him

1251
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: play quarterback.

1252
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 3: He's a little all over the place.

1253
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: Case at the lead peeple in the league.

1254
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 3: He's very handsy.

1255
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that great an athlete, Like he's

1256
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: a great athlete.

1257
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: That's gonna sound weird, like I don't think.

1258
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: He's great from like an explosive like like he's not

1259
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 1: gonna run a four to two.

1260
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna run a four four.

1261
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 4: I think he run a four to three, but I'm

1262
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 4: not I wouldn't feel good today matching him up against

1263
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 4: a J.

1264
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 2: Brown. Yeah, I feel good matching Will Johnson up against him.

1265
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 4: And that's why I got wheel number one, because when

1266
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 4: it comes to the more physical receivers that don't need

1267
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 4: to run past him, like, I don't know how he's

1268
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 4: going to do with the with Mike Evans, Like I

1269
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 4: just don't see him having a good day with Mike Evans.

1270
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: That's a great that's a great way to characterize it,

1271
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: because it's it's if you think about it that way, obviously,

1272
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 1: I think then Will Johnson again the speed slol issue.

1273
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: But I will say this about Travis Hunter. He plays

1274
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: stronger than he looks when he's got his hands on receivers. Yeah,

1275
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: he's got a great feel for reading routes in man coverage,

1276
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 1: miss ball skills and his ball skills and his anticipation

1277
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: is crazy.

1278
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 3: Like again, Will Johnson from off is better.

1279
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: But his ability, like he had to play against UCLA

1280
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: where he's you know, they're running the outside, go there,

1281
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: running the five yard out. He acts like he's in

1282
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: man coverage, puts his foot.

1283
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: In the ground, remember the play and go get.

1284
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: It, and and so that that playmaking ability is special.

1285
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: And I'm also banking on this to friend a little bit.

1286
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: And this is this is where you get hurt. So

1287
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be mad at myself because I tell other

1288
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: people not to do this. Is I think when he

1289
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: gets with a coach and he's playing dB full time, Yeah,

1290
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be all right, is what I think.

1291
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: I think he'll be alright because they don't think he's

1292
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: not a bad tackle. He's not like a super he's

1293
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: not like gonna kill you, but like he's he's willing.

1294
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 2: Well he go to think about it. You got two

1295
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 2: type of tackles. You got a hitter.

1296
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's somebody that's gonna pose a wheel on

1297
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: you and you got to tackle it.

1298
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to get you to the ground.

1299
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 3: I think he's.

1300
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: Most definitely a tackler.

1301
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 4: I just don't know is he going to be a

1302
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 4: tackler in the third quarter of five minutes?

1303
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: A great question. It's a great question.

1304
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 4: And this is why I said, who's the most complete dB,

1305
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 4: not the complete football player?

1306
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: And the complete dB was real Junts.

1307
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everything you Fred said I agree with, except

1308
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm worried. I'm a little bit more dubious about They

1309
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 1: didn't see him play man coverage. Ford thinks you can coach.

1310
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna defer to Fred and his overall speed. Travis

1311
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: Hunter is raw, he's but he's competitive as all out door.

1312
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: He's hyper competitive. His ball steals are excellent.

1313
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 2: Technician, I gotta need more technique from him.

1314
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: And I also fear how's he gonna fare against the

1315
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 4: bigger t Higgins of the world. How is he gonna

1316
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 4: fare against size and strength?

1317
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: And obviously there are one and two, so they're both

1318
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: really good and we feel really good about him.

1319
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 4: But like no, no at the league comes with dot flaws.

1320
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 4: That's what I want you all to know. It ain't

1321
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 4: been many perfect guys to come out to draft.

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00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 5: All Right, I'm gonna ask you a couple more questions

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00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 5: about Travis Hunter because he's one of the hottest topics

1324
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 5: right in this draft class. So is he gonna play

1325
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 5: wide receiver and cornerback in the league?

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00:55:59,320 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: Can you do it?

1327
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 5: Will he do it?

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00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: I think he has to master the cornerback first.

1329
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: I think right now, if I was drafting him, I

1330
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 4: got him picked as my number two corner in the draft.

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00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 4: If I was drafting him as a wide receiver, he'll

1332
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 4: probably be like my number five or six, right, So

1333
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 4: he's better at the corner position. I need you to

1334
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 4: master this one before I give you permission to go

1335
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 4: learn another playbook. I need you to master the nuance

1336
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 4: of the cornerback position to tackling, taking on screens, taking

1337
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,479
Speaker 4: on talk suites. I need you to master this side

1338
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 4: before I give you permission to go do the other side.

1339
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 4: But if he's with a terrible team like a New

1340
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 4: England Patriots or something, they're going to experiment, whynot.

1341
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: I think for me it's I actually like this film

1343
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: better at dB honestly than I did a receiver. Like

1344
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: I think he's more raw there. And it's hard. It's

1345
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: really hard watching this film because he does kind of

1346
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: pay himself.

1347
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: You know, he's off playing hard all the time.

1348
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: And then again he's playing one hundred and fifty snaps,

1349
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: so like that's.

1350
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:55,839
Speaker 3: Not like a knock on him.

1351
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like you're you're hoping I'm projecting

1352
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: a little bit to like when he gets to the league,

1353
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: he'll be playing one spot, he'll be better coached. And again,

1354
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: just that dog competitor, that ball skill stuff comes out,

1355
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 1: and I do think it's a little bit more valuable

1356
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: at dB, especially with the way he plays the football.

1357
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: He plays the football crazy man.

1358
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I think if he walks in any wide

1359
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 4: receiver room right now in the league, he had bits

1360
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 4: the number three or four receiver.

1361
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: But like, I don't see him as a number two.

1362
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: Like if he came on this team right now, he

1363
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 4: would not beat in the top two receiver.

1364
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 2: I see.

1365
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's hard for me with the receiver

1366
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: thing is like he does the traits are there, his change,

1367
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: the direction is there, the way he tracks the ball.

1368
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: Is there is it any wide receiver.

1369
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 4: He reminds you of prison pass that he plays like

1370
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 4: I got you one Ted gain.

1371
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: He reminded me of Ted again with not the high

1372
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: end speed.

1373
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: He's better that he's better. He catches the football better

1374
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: than Ted. And I think he's got a better change

1375
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 1: direction than Ted. So and as we've talked about, those

1376
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: things are really important and valuable. Like for me, he

1377
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: was the second rode receiver after touch up McMillan. Yeah,

1378
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: and so he's just there's something about the athlete that

1379
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: it's hard for me to overlook. He's just so special

1380
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: and unique. And the way he tacks the football with

1381
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: his hands, you've seen it in the dB film Man

1382
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: Like Yeah, he can torts and finds a way to

1383
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: make these.

1384
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: Crazy plays, kind of like George Pickings when it comes

1385
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 2: to I like that.

1386
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: Actually that's a pretty good comp like a raw route runner.

1387
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: But like you just at tracked the ball.

1388
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: All right.

1389
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 5: So, Fred, let's say you're a GM for whatever and

1390
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 5: you're you're picking in the top all right, is Travis

1391
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 5: Hunter on your board? Because one of the one of the.

1392
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 2: Top three you say, I'm in the top three.

1393
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 5: Top five like, where are you picking him? Where are

1394
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 5: you feeling comfortable enough to pick him? And the reason

1395
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 5: I'm asking is because a lot of the big name

1396
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 5: draft analysts that do this, and the biggest name had

1397
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 5: him going number three overall. But if he's not your

1398
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 5: number one corner, he's your number five wive receiver. You

1399
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 5: don't think he's playing both ways? Why is he going

1400
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 5: up so high? Just as a compared he would be

1401
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 5: tied with one of the highest draft of DB's.

1402
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I say, Sean Spring was number three and

1403
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 4: Jeff Okuda was number three, like Eric Stingly, That's.

1404
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: What I'm talking about.

1405
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 3: Their film was.

1406
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 4: Their Stingley film blows his film away? I'm sorry, right,

1407
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: So he's not these guys. The fourth overall was a

1408
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 4: Sauce Gardner. Fifth, Devin Willis, Spion Jaden and Ramsey, Patrick Peterson, Airberry,

1409
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 4: Sean Taylor went there, there are all DB's, So I'm

1410
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: trading down, so you're not take you where do you

1411
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: feel comfortable? I feel comfortable taking him around seven, around

1412
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 4: seven to ten. Yeah, that's where I would take him at.

1413
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 4: And I would come in saying what do like? The

1414
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 4: thing is, what's our plan for him? Like we got

1415
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 4: to have a legit plan for him because I do

1416
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 4: not want to put too much on his plate. And

1417
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 4: I think that could be the worst thing they could

1418
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 4: actually do with this kid is try to double spoon

1419
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 4: feed him from the door.

1420
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna fail at both positions.

1421
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 4: If they try to do that, he's going to fail

1422
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 4: it both because he can go on the defensive side

1423
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 4: and get his confidence to go back to the offensive

1424
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 4: side and them dB he's he's a pro dB and

1425
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 4: they gonna take his lunch.

1426
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, uh, I think that's a great point.

1427
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 3: Like it's like a dB.

1428
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 1: I'd probably take him at ten at the receiver, I'd

1429
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: probably take him at fifteen, yeah, fourteen fifty like that,

1430
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: Like he's a good player, Like I'm not.

1431
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound like you.

1432
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: Gotta put both players to get Yeah, he is one.

1433
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 1: He's an excellent player. But like if you just said, hey,

1434
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: I'm drafting a dB.

1435
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah he's maybe ten, eleven whatever, you know what I mean.

1436
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: But he's not he's not that.

1437
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: He's not this guy that we've seen these like other

1438
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: high level prospects at the position. And he's a good receiver,

1439
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: but like there's risk associated with it, and usually in

1440
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: the draft about mitigating risk. And I think I said

1441
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: this to you, Jason, like, maybe you're mitigating risk because

1442
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: he can play both.

1443
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 3: But I think Fred bought a probably a great point.

1444
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: If you force feed him both things, he's I think

1445
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: he's for sure gonna fail because it's just so much

1446
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: more challenging at the NFL level. The schemes are more complicated,

1447
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: the physicality is more intense, the seasons longer, like he's

1448
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: just gonna get beat up.

1449
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1450
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 4: And let me ask you this. If I told you

1451
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 4: he got drafted, we turned the page. He got drafted

1452
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 4: to the Tennessee Tides with the Mayonnaise Man will live.

1453
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, do we see him?

1454
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 4: Because that's a team that would say we gotta say tickets,

1455
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 4: we need you to play both.

1456
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: They'll force feed him. Now.

1457
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 4: If he goes to New England with Drake may yeah,

1458
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 4: maybe you got a shot. Maybe maybe you got a

1459
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 4: shot now. So sometimes it ain't just about the player,

1460
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 4: it's about the destination.

1461
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1462
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 4: And if you at the top of the draft, you

1463
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 4: already know you're going to a terrible team.

1464
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I think, yeah, man, And I.

1465
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:44,640
Speaker 1: Think it's just the way he tackles and the way

1466
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: he plays like he's not refined like you watch those

1467
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: other guys like they're more physical, they're more And.

1468
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 4: That's why I had to take wheel jes because when

1469
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 4: he just more refined in every aspect of dB.

1470
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: Yep, no, I agree, man, dude, Fred, this was a

1471
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: lot of fun mantime.

1472
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 2: Many time I can prove you wrong, Professor, I am

1473
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 2: with it.

1474
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 3: Well, I would defer to you on this.

1475
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: Man.

1476
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: You've got a really good feel for for defensive back play,

1477
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: obviously because you were a really good player in your

1478
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: time here, obviously. So that's gonna do it for today show.

1479
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: Please make sure you're liking to the subscriber ever, get

1480
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: your podcasts and uh that's it.

1481
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