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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles to w Chuck Bryan over there,

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Speaker 1: and this is Stuff you should Know. I'm I. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to be able to

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Speaker 1: get used to Jerry being round again. Is she fired?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. She may have fired herself, though.

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Speaker 1: I have better things to do than hang out with

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Speaker 1: you cool cats and kittens. Well, and it's kind of like,

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Speaker 1: what's the point of just sitting there? And I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine more boring than listening to us on headphones. Wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, that's our show. Yes, there are people doing

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Speaker 1: that very thing right now, Chuck, and you have just

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Speaker 1: mocked their existence. So I've just met for Jerry's sake,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I know Jerry is not a fan. No,

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Speaker 1: she's not or a listener. So, um, I have a

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Speaker 1: question for you, Chucked. You ever read a book? No? No,

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Speaker 1: don't be ridiculous, Chuck. Have you ever met Agatha Christie? Uh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I matter when I was three? Oh? Really, do you

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Speaker 1: have much of a memory of that encounter? A little bit?

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Speaker 1: She was she was nice enough. She signed my Murder

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Speaker 1: on the Orient Express copy first edition. Oh wow, that's

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Speaker 1: got to be worth some money. It's pretty neat. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you still have that? Nah? I did some sprint

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Speaker 1: cleaning here a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: even recycle or put it in a little free library.

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Speaker 1: I just threw it in the trash. Did you? Didn't

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Speaker 1: you say once that your brother has like a copy

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Speaker 1: of Number one Superman or something nuts like that. I

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Speaker 1: thought he has something, some valuable comic book. No, huh, No,

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Speaker 1: we must be confusing you with my other co host, Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Now we we we weren't big comic book people. We

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Speaker 1: don't have anything valuable like that. I got you well, Um,

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Speaker 1: having met Agatha Christie when you were a kid, I

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Speaker 1: feel like you'll probably have a lot to bring to

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Speaker 1: this one. I I was. UM. I have never met her,

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Speaker 1: um still to this day, probably never will. And I

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Speaker 1: have read a couple of her things and seen a

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Speaker 1: couple of movies based on her stuff. But I would

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Speaker 1: never consider myself like a um, a rabbit Agatha Christie fan.

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Speaker 1: But I do appreciate her work a lot. You, UM,

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Speaker 1: pick this one. Why we have this series of books,

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Speaker 1: children's books about um awesome women in history, from Freda

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Speaker 1: to Coco Chanel to Amelia Earhart to Agatha Christie, And

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Speaker 1: so I was reading this one the other night and

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Speaker 1: I thought, hey, let's do you want to Agatha Christie.

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Speaker 1: Haven't read any of her work, seen a couple of

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Speaker 1: her movies the genre though as as films, I've never

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Speaker 1: I started reading The Mysterious Affair at Styles, which I

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Speaker 1: think was her first published work UM last night, and

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Speaker 1: it's just great. She just sucks you right in like you.

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Speaker 1: She does what's um she creates and a lot of books,

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Speaker 1: not all of them, but she creates what's called the

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Speaker 1: cozy mystery with an S because it's British and I'd

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Speaker 1: like that, I can take her leave. They're fine, but

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Speaker 1: it's the ones that are set in tiny, little Cabot

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Speaker 1: It's cozy and small, and it's like a village and

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Speaker 1: all that those are the murder She wrote that I

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Speaker 1: about Agatha Christie mysteries too. Is there very typically cozy mysteries.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that show. What had this conversation before? No,

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Speaker 1: that would be steered into my brain forever. Now we

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Speaker 1: um murder mystery movies, especially cozy mysteries like Clue is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite films, and this year's or last

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Speaker 1: taking a stand on this alright. Well, film professionals out there,

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Speaker 1: Cricket House, Cricket House. I believe that's on Amazon Prime

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Speaker 1: Why did you do that to me? All right, so Charles, um,

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Speaker 1: so good. Uh she is perhaps again, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: for example, we've we've had seventy billion downloads. Now I

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Speaker 1: A lot of people say that Agatha Christie's numbers hit

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Speaker 1: a mystery. And part of the mystery and the allure

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Speaker 1: years old, I think, and uh, you know, she had

424
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Speaker 1: a hard time getting published at first because she was

425
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: a young woman. Yeah, she was rejected out of hand. Um.

426
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: And apparently also she started writing um because her sister

427
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: told her that she probably wouldn't be able to write

428
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: a mystery novel, which I love, so she did. She

429
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: wrote the what was it? Snow on? What? Snow upon

430
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: the Desert? Snow upon the Desert? And she was very

431
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: young then, um. And in between the time she wrote

432
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: Snow upon the Desert and The Mysterious Affair at Styles,

433
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: which would be her first published book, I believe she

434
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: um wedged a lot of life in there in the

435
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: form of getting married to a guy named Archibald Archie Christie.

436
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: And one of the things about Agatha Christie is that

437
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: she was she never she wasn't a born writer, even

438
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: though she did right as a younger person, like you

439
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: were saying, like, she wasn't like a She just didn't

440
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 1: want to be a writer as a kid. And she

441
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: ended up writing really seriously after she and Archie Christie

442
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: got married, because Archie Christie wasn't particularly wealthy and couldn't

443
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: necessarily care for her himself, so she started writing to

444
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: to make money, which some people suspect is the reason

445
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: she got into mystery writing in the first place because

446
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: there was a very very popular genre. Even Yeah, well

447
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: it makes sense, so she had the skills to pay

448
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: the bills. It turns out that's right. Uh. They were

449
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: married nineteen fourteen. He was kind of promptly sent to

450
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: fight in the Great War in France and she worked

451
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: at a pharmacist at a war hospital during that period,

452
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: and this is where she learned a lot about potions

453
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: and poisons and pharmaceuticals and things that she would there's

454
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: a lot of poisoning that goes on in her books. Um,

455
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: and she later in her career, I think she actually

456
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: would consult with doctors and stuff like that because she

457
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: wanted everything to be really medically accurate. But early and

458
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: she learned a lot about this stuff from her work

459
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: in the pharmacy. We just kind of cool and ghoulish,

460
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: you know. She's like, how exactly would a person die

461
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 1: from this bottle that I'm holding? So yeah, and apparently, um,

462
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:18,160
Speaker 1: most of the deaths in her books are poisoning, and

463
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: like you were saying, like you ray rarely see the

464
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: person die. They just come upon the body, and most

465
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: of the times the poison body. Sometimes there there was

466
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 1: violence visited upon them. But for the most part is

467
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: a body that was found poisoned to death. Yeah, and

468
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: that's a good vehicle for a mystery novel because you

469
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: know there's no murder weapon per se. There I guess

470
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: there's the poison bottle. But it can often be very

471
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: vague a poisoning death, like could it have been a

472
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: heart attack? Like you have to kind of suss out

473
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: at first whether or not it was even a murder.

474
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: It's not like an obvious thing where there's a a

475
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: bullet hole in their chest or something like that, right, right,

476
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: So poisoning is what she went with. Typically. It's another

477
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: example also, Chuck, I think of like her writing what

478
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: she knew too, at least writing what interested her. Um

479
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: And she wrote in I believe nineteen twenty no during

480
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 1: the during World War One, so while she was working

481
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: at the dispensary and Archie was all flying in France,

482
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: I believe, um, she wrote The Mysterious Affair at Styles

483
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: and it was that's the one I started reading. And

484
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't understand how it was rejected at first, but

485
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: it was. Um it's a really interesting book, just right

486
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: out of the gate um in that it pulls you

487
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: right into this little country English estate and all the

488
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: people on it, and you realize just after a couple

489
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: of pages that you're already invested in them, which is

490
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. And this is like not her first book,

491
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: but it was her first uh serious work that wasn't

492
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: published immediately. It wasn't published until nineteen twenty um. And

493
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: I think even after was published, it wasn't an immediate

494
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: catapult to success for her, but it was a it

495
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: was a remarkable first book to be published. Yeah, and

496
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: this is the one that introduced the world to her

497
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: chief detective for a lot of those novels, Mr Poirot,

498
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: like we mentioned, And later on they asked her why

499
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: he was Belgian, and she said why not? Basically, I

500
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 1: don't think a whole lot of thought went into it. Um.

501
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: It turned out to be a really good choice because

502
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: he had this kind of interesting accent and everywhere he went,

503
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: I don't you know, they were never set in Belgium,

504
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: so everywhere he went he was this sort of sort

505
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: of strange foreigner that would come into town with this

506
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: accent that no one quite understood, and he just had

507
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: this sort of larger than life presence I think because

508
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: of that. So it turned out to be a really

509
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: smart choice. Yeah. He was also a well known dandy

510
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: who was very vain about his appearance. Um. And he

511
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: apparently said in one of the later books that he

512
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: plays up his foreignness and his dandy nous to um

513
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: uh disarm suspects when he's interrogating them, to make them

514
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: take him less seriously than they otherwise might. Man, I

515
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: want to talk about knives out so much you cannot.

516
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate you not doing that. So she had a daughter,

517
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: we should mention, in nineteen nineteen named Rosalind, and that's

518
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: the only child she ever had. And it was in

519
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty year later that they finally did publish The

520
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: Mysterious Affair at Styles after she agreed to change the ending.

521
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: They said, we don't like Poirot revealing all this evidence

522
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: in court, so she changed the ending. They said great.

523
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: That's when she went on to publish that novel every

524
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: year for about ten years, very very big books. But

525
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: they weren't um. They were popular, but she wasn't like

526
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: a superstar internationally at this point yet. No, not yet. UM. Again,

527
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: she really catapulted later on because she moved to some

528
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: of these more exotic locales. But one of the things

529
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: that cemented her legend as a mystery writer, in addition

530
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: to all of the work she did, in addition to

531
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: her prolific nous and her extreme talent at this formula

532
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: that she had worked out was UM what still today

533
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: is considered an unsolved mystery. In fact, it was featured

534
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: onisode of Unsolved Mysteries UM, which I just randomly happened

535
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: to see recently, and UM she disappeared. There's a whole

536
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: sub plot to Agatha Christie's life that was really surprising,

537
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: especially compared to how boring and normal and just kind

538
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: of plotting with these instead of tease her normal life.

539
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: Was the fact that she has this grand mystery plunk

540
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: down in the middle of it is is pretty impressive.

541
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: It's UM. So here's here's the backstory. She and Archie

542
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: we're not meant to be together. As it turns out,

543
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: he revealed that he was having an affair with a

544
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: lady named Nancy Neil who was a friend of the family,

545
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: and obviously that was the end of their marriage. So

546
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 1: at the end of nineteen UM they decided they were

547
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: going to take a trip together a weekend er um

548
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: Archie went to be with his friends instead, and then

549
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: she vanished and seemingly thin air. Uh. They found her

550
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: car near rock Quarry with her fur coat and her

551
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: driver's license there and no Agatha Christie. No in her

552
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: car wasn't just near the rock quarry according to some

553
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: reports like one of the wheels is hanging over the

554
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: edge of this cliff and still spinning right, um So,

555
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: but she was gone. They couldn't find her. And so

556
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: within a couple of days this massive search, depending on

557
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: who you ask and depending on when you ask them,

558
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: ten like ten thousand plus people were searching for probably

559
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: more likely a couple of thousand, which is still really

560
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: remarkable for this tiny little area in the southwest of England.

561
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: Um at the time in um So, the that really

562
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: kind of demonstrates she was already a well known writer.

563
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: She wasn't legendary yet, but this is this disappearance is

564
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: the mechanism, mechanism by which she becomes legendary, I think.

565
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: And this goes on for a good week I believe.

566
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 1: Right when did she disappeared? December? What I think December

567
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: three is when they were going to take that trip.

568
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: So she was gone almost two weeks and I'm by gone,

569
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: we mean just vanished. She left behind that car, she

570
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: left behind the driver's license in the fur Like you said,

571
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: she was gone. Her husband had come came to be

572
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: known to have asked for a divorce already, so people

573
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: were like, well did he bump her off? And she's

574
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: a mystery writer known for generating stuff like this, So

575
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: even at the time, some people were like, is this

576
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: a publicity because it's a pretty good one if it is,

577
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: sure it worked. Uh And there was a band at

578
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: this place called the Swan Hydropathic Hotel in Yorkshire, which

579
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of just sounds like a bit of a Kellogg

580
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: Brothers type of joint. Have you seen a cure for wellness? Uh? Well,

581
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: we we talked about that in that podcast. Dude, we

582
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember have you seen it? I never saw it?

583
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Have you yet? I still have not seen it. Hey,

584
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: you're not missing that much. But it is pretty interesting,

585
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: it's quit it's worth seeing at least once. I might

586
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: check it out. But any rate, they had a band here,

587
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: because what hydropathic hotel does not have a house band?

588
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: And they came forward and said, hey, that's Agatha Christie lady.

589
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: She's been staying here for a week. She's been in

590
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: the electric light bath cabinet and getting yogurt enemas and

591
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: having a grand old time. So they went to the cops,

592
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: and the cops went to the lead detective and said, no, no, no,

593
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: she has been murdered and we're trying to find out

594
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: the killer. Eventually, this detective said, well, let me tell

595
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: her husband. And husband Archie went out to check it

596
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 1: out on the fourteenth of December. There she was, she

597
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: was in seclusion, and uh, that was sort of the

598
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: end of this mystery. It wasn't so much a mystery. Um,

599
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: you know. She by all accounts, it seems like she

600
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,240
Speaker 1: went there because she had thought about or maybe tried

601
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: to drive her car into that quarry and and kill

602
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: herself because she was upset about her marriage ending. Uh,

603
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: and then it didn't happen, and she just kind of

604
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: goes on a walk and ends up at this place.

605
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: May or may not have invented an amnesia story, or

606
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: it may have actually happened to some degree. She didn't

607
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: talk about a lot, so we don't really know exactly

608
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: what went down with the amnesia. She said that. So

609
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: two years later, she gave an interview with The Daily

610
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: Mail and apparently explained the amnesia by saying she'd hit

611
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: her head on the steering wheel. But in the same

612
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: interview she says that she'd let go of the steering wheel,

613
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: So she basically said, like, I attempted suicide and it

614
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: didn't work out. I hit my head on the steering wheel,

615
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: and I wandered off and I had amnesia. But the

616
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: the they think that it's it was just a family

617
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: cover story to save face, this amnesia story, and that

618
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: really she had attempted to take her own life and

619
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: um hadn't succeeded and now regretted it and was embarrassed

620
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: by all of this because the idea that there were

621
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: thousands of people looking for I think it probably never

622
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: crossed her mind when she wandered away from her car,

623
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: and that I remember she was a very shy person,

624
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 1: so this all this attention was very very hard on her.

625
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: So the family just came up with this cover story

626
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: that she had amnesia, so don't even bother asking, and

627
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: um Archie and she stayed together for another year or so,

628
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: and then their divorce finally became finalized. The Yeah, so

629
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: she didn't even mention this in her autobiography, which kind

630
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: of says all you need to know about how much

631
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: she liked to talk about this. Right, we should say

632
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: there was one other thing that did this too. It

633
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: wasn't just um Archie asking for a divorce. He asked

634
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,720
Speaker 1: for a divorce a few months after her mother died.

635
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: And I get that Christie's mother was beloved to her.

636
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 1: She worshiped her mother. She thought she was wonderful. Her

637
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: mother was the parent that was there for her while

638
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: she was a kid and raised her. Um it was

639
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: just a very interesting person, it sounds like. So she died,

640
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: Archie asks for a divorce a few months later, and

641
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: then this whole mysterious disappearance happened. And then one last thing,

642
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: I read that at the Swan Hydro Hotel, she was

643
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: actually playing cards and chatting with other guests about this

644
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: mysterious disappearance that was in all of the newspapers, and

645
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: none of the other guests recognized her. It was those

646
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: band members that you mentioned. Interesting, I thought so too, man.

647
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: So that's everything I learned from Unsolved Mysteries. Should we

648
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: take a break finally, all right, let's Uh, let's take

649
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: our final break and we'll talk a little bit more

650
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: about her later life and further success. Alright, so it's

651
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: at this point she is freshly divorced. She kept that

652
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: name because, uh, you know, she that's the name that

653
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: made her famous, so it makes a lot of sense,

654
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: and she kept writing novels. Um. She traveled on the

655
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: Orient Express to Bagdad. She got into archaeology, just sort

656
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: of a hobbyist, and made friends with a couple who

657
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: were archaeologists. Went to visit them in ninety and on

658
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: that trip, I met a man named Max mallow One

659
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: who was also an adventurer and an archaeologist thirteen years younger.

660
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: And they fell in love and got married, which is

661
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: a very very sweet story. Yeah. Apparently he was giving

662
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 1: her a tour of some archaeological sites and he got

663
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: the car stuck, and she, apparently, he said later, she

664
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: made no fuss about it, didn't blame him or anything

665
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: like that, and he said, that's about the time when

666
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: I started to begin to realize that you're wonderful. And

667
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: so they got married. Um, And she said later on

668
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: that the good thing about being married to an archaeologist

669
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: is that the older you get the more interested they

670
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: become interesting. That was kind of cute. So this is

671
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: when Miss Marple comes along as as a detective and

672
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty with the Murder at the Vicarage that was

673
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: our first one. That was the first Miss Marple book.

674
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: And then she's traveling around, She's doing these archaeological digs

675
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: and trips. She's going to Syria and Iraq. She fell

676
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: in of with Syria and the Syrian people, and she's

677
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: really cranking out some big books at this point in

678
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties. That's like, even even on archaeological digs, Chuck,

679
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: can you imagine how uncomfortable it would be to sit

680
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: and write for hours in an archaeological site. I can't.

681
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: It would be tough, I would think. And yet she

682
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: was still just as prolific as ever. Yeah. Books like

683
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: Murder and Mesopotamia and Death on the Nile and Murder

684
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: on the Orient Express were all written during this period

685
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: and this is what really catapulted her into international superstardom

686
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: as an author. Right. So, um, she and Max stayed

687
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: together for I think forty six years until her death. Actually, um, yeah,

688
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, she outlived him. This is pretty sweet. Um,

689
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: but despite all of this kind of UM adventure and

690
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: in archaeological digs and like visits to the Middle East. UM,

691
00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 1: most of her life from that point on was in Devonshire, UM,

692
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: in this tiny little area in the English countryside. UM,

693
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: in these quaint little towns UM, and she gardened and

694
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: was very involved in local community theater. That was her life.

695
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: She was also one of the biggest, most well known,

696
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: most best selling writers of of in the world while

697
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: she was alive. And yet that's what she did. She

698
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: hung out with the community theater group and garden that

699
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: it was just her life. Yeah, she got the Dame

700
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: Commander of the Order of the British Empire and UM.

701
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: The rights to her novels were held by a company

702
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: that she created for a long time, and then before

703
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: she died she sold part of that off and that's

704
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: been sort of bought and sold a bunch of the years,

705
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: which is kind of how that usually happens. But she

706
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: did retain enough of the um of the company to

707
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: to have it be worth a ton of money UM,

708
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: which she passed down to her daughter. Of course, as

709
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: her only child, she sort of took care of her

710
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: mother's works for many many years. And then passed that

711
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: on to her only child, um man named Matthew Pritchard,

712
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: who still holds these rights and still sort of manages

713
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: that today. That's right, So everything turned out well for

714
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: Matthew Pritchard. Sounds like heck, yeah, I wish. I wish

715
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: my grandma was actually a dunk because I love my grandma.

716
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: But would it have killed her to be an internationally

717
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: famous author. No, it wouldn't, Chuck, and I'm glad we're

718
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: finally talking about is it's been an elephant in the

719
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: room for a very long time? Uh so, she? You know,

720
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these went on to be very famous films,

721
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: TV series. I think Murder on the Orient Express has

722
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: been a couple of big movies. Uh. In fact, one

723
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that I have not seen.

724
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: It's unwatchable. That was it really bad. I'm sorry if

725
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: you listen to this, Kenneth Brawner, I couldn't make it

726
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: through the first five minutes. It was like it Okay,

727
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: is that all you know? Yes? Okay, So that's my

728
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,919
Speaker 1: report is on the first five minutes. Uh. She very

729
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: famously has a play called The mouse Trap, which is

730
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: debut at the West End in nineteen fifty two, and

731
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: it is the longest running play in the history of

732
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: the West End, which is remarkable. Yeah, and to make

733
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: that even sweeter, remember her sister who said that she

734
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: probably couldn't write a mystery novel. Well, her sister was

735
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: the first in the family to get a play produced

736
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: on the West End, but it certainly wasn't the longest

737
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: running play on the West End of all times. So

738
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: she got her back doubly so. And then she was

739
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: hit by a train and Agatha Christie laughed and laughed

740
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: and poisoned her corpse. So, uh, we need to talk

741
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: a little bit here at the end. Um, we always

742
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: like to give everyone's give everyone the accolades they deserve,

743
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: but also point out some of the things that weren't

744
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: so great. We don't want to whitewash anything. And she

745
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 1: used a lot of kind of racially insensitive language, uh,

746
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: some would call anti Semitic at times anti Catholic through

747
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: parts of her career. Um, such that the Anti Defamation

748
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: League complained to her agent at one point. And because

749
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: of that, American publishers were given the ability to change

750
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: that stuff out sort of at will, without without any

751
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: notice given to her. She just she didn't know this

752
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: was going on at all. Yeah. We just were like,

753
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: I don't think the Americans are gonna go for this.

754
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: The Brits can barely stand it. The Americans definitely aren't

755
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: going to take this. Well. Yeah, and I read a

756
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: lot about this, and there are different takes. UM. One

757
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: take is that the old you know, she was a

758
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: product of her time thing, which people uh you know

759
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 1: rightfully point out. Um. Another is that oftentimes she's doing this,

760
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: uh to show characters are sort of um, underdeveloped as

761
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: humans and sort of backward m So there's that as well.

762
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: It You also can't dance around the fact that she

763
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: did use some pretty bad words and um, you know

764
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: then they were bad even at the time like that.

765
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: It wasn't. Yes, you can say like, yeah, a lot

766
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: of people had different social attitudes towards race and racism

767
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: and um, and in that sense, she wasn't that much different.

768
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: But there were cases where she was standing well outside

769
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: of the norm, including in book titles and characters and

770
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: things like that. Um. And one book in particular, and

771
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: then there were none was revised many many times, not

772
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: just in the US, but in Great Britain as well.

773
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: Um and it's remarkable in that sense, but in another

774
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: sense it was also remarkable and that it's considered pretty

775
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: widely to have given birth to the slasher film genre.

776
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: Did you know that? I didn't until my bread bed

777
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: say it. I. Yeah. I looked this up a little

778
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 1: more and on its own, and and then there were

779
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: none the book ends. Sorry for the spoiler, everybody, but

780
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: it ends with I think all of the suspects killing

781
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: one another, um and everyone dies. In the stage adaptation

782
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: of the play that she helped write, Um, there the

783
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: final girl, a female character has left alive and has

784
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: out done the murderer who's come to get her, which is,

785
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: you know, for the formula for any slasher film whatsoever.

786
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: But there's a bunch of other elements in there too,

787
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, even on like horror fan wikis,

788
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: they point to that as like the genuine birth even

789
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: more than Psycho of the slasher film genre. Interesting. Yeah,

790
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: it is pretty interesting. You who would have ever thought

791
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: that um Agathur Christie, with her non violence and and

792
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: poison and occasional racism, would have been the one to

793
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: birth the slasher film racism? Yeah, and a lot of

794
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: the racist stuff. Just to put a final pin on

795
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: that was. Um, A lot of it was character descriptions,

796
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: which can be some of the ugliest kinds of stuff

797
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: like that. Um, because it wasn't just like talking about philosophies.

798
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: It was just like literally physically describing a character. Uh.

799
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes she would use some pretty pretty derogatory language. Yeah.

800
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: So again, it's a bit like exploring Elizabeth Blackwell or

801
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: any historical characters. Always weird little bugs under the rocks

802
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: you turn over. You know, I'm glad we're doing our

803
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: great work in a in a in the time of wokeness. Rightly,

804
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: no one can ever go back. I mean, we've made

805
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: midsteps here and there, but they can't go back and

806
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: talk about when Josh and Chuck were big racists at

807
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, no, it's true. But just wait for

808
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,760
Speaker 1: twenty years from now they'll be like, I can't believe

809
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: we talk about those guys were aged bastards. You know. Um,

810
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: there's one other thing I want to say too. So

811
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: when she lived through World War Two, Agatha Christie was

812
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: worried that she was going to die in the bombing

813
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 1: blitz of Great Britain, and she really wanted Hercule Poi

814
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: Row and Um Jane Marple's to have a final case.

815
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: So she wrote a book for each of them. Uh.

816
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: One is called Curtain that's Paul rose final book, and

817
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: the other is Sleeping Murder Um that is Marple's final

818
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: case and Um. And it just kind of explains what

819
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: happens to them. I believe Paul Row dies and Marple's

820
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: just retires. But when she survived World War Two, she

821
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: was like, well, I don't I'm not ready for these

822
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: guys to be retired yet. So she kept those books

823
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: and had them posthumously published, and they were in the seventies.

824
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: And when her her Kuel Poil Rose Last book came

825
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: out and he died, Um, the New York Times ran

826
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: a front page obituary for him. The only fictional character

827
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: to have that on her bestowed on them. That's crazy,

828
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: isn't it? Yeah? And also a very cool good idea

829
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: to write those books early on, just in case, because

830
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: you never know. Yeah, besides the bombing thing. I mean,

831
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 1: she could she could walk off a ledge or get

832
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: hit by a bus or die of natural causes early, like,

833
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: you never know, and then you've got this legacy cemented.

834
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: Pretty smart, have you? Ever seen one last thing? Have

835
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: you ever seen Murder by Death? I know I've asked

836
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: you before. I had that DVD sitting on my desk. Well,

837
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: that's amazing that you have that on your desk and

838
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: you wait, is it on your desk at work? I

839
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: was gonna say, watch it tonight, but don't watch it tonight. Um,

840
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: wait until everything clears, so you're gonna love it. No,

841
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: it's a spoof actually detective books of like Charlie Chan

842
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: and Agatha Christie and um, Sam Spade and all that

843
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: that she helped, you know, kind of create. But it's

844
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: actually like a complaint from fans of mystery, Um, mysteries.

845
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: It's just a wonderful book. Truman movie, Truman Campodi's in it,

846
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Speaker 1: David Niven, Um, Peter, Peter Falk, Yeah, um, a lot

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Speaker 1: of people. James Cromwell as a younger man, James Coke, Oh,

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Speaker 1: is Hercule, Paul Rowe. It's just great. You're gonna love it. Man.

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Speaker 1: So I guess we should say that she did die eventually,

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Speaker 1: uh five years or three years after I met her

851
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Speaker 1: in nine seventy six, at the age of eighty five

852
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Speaker 1: at her home in Oxfordshire, or Oxfordshire and uh it

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Speaker 1: was natural causes, not poison. No. Her last words were

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Speaker 1: good to meet you, Chuck. Ah, you got anything else?

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Speaker 1: I do not have anything else? Well, friends, that is

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Speaker 1: Agatha Christie. If you want to know more about the

857
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Speaker 1: Christie go start reading Agatha Christie books. And since I

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Speaker 1: said Agatha Christie like three or four times, it's time

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Speaker 1: for a listener mate. All right, I'm gonna call this

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Speaker 1: letter from a kid because we love reading these letters

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Speaker 1: from kids. Hey, guys, I've been listening to your podcast

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Speaker 1: for about eight months now, and I'd like to say

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Speaker 1: I am a huge fan. Uh. This is Emmett. He's

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Speaker 1: ten years old. Oh yeah, I love this email. My

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Speaker 1: dad is even more of a fan of you guys

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00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: than me, and he told me about your podcast. I

867
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: am a huge fan of the Atlanta Falcons and pretty

868
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: much everything Atlanta related, including your podcast, which is weird

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00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: because I live in Iowa. I love it. It is

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00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: a little weird, though I met You're right. I love

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Speaker 1: how self aware of this guy is. I think you know,

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00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, when you grow up in a place like

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00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: Io with no professional sports, you uh, you know, you

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00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: do that thing where you just pick out a team

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Speaker 1: in a city. Yeah, you're like the Base City Rollers.

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00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: You throw a dart at a map and go with it.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I'm now I'm really worried there's a professional

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00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: team in Iowa. But there is not there not, there

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00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: are none, right, No need to double check that. I've

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Speaker 1: been listening to your podcast a ton during this coronavirus

881
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: outbreak to keep me from going crazy, and it's worked.

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Speaker 1: My birthday that is actually coming up, so I'll not

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Speaker 1: be able to see my friends or even have a party.

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00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: It would be totally awesome and make my year if

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Speaker 1: you said happy birthday to me. But I want to

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00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: bet you won't read this on the air. That's some

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00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: fine reverse psychology right there. Well played, and it I

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00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: love your grass podcast. And last year, me and my

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00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: best friend Oliver started a lawn care business and it

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00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: made enough money to buy Beats headphones to listen to

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00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: your podcast on as full circle right there. That's right,

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00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: he says. I made sure to wrap this letter up

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00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: and spank it all the bottom before I sent it.

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Speaker 1: So happy, happy, big I guess eleventh birthday, Emmett, best

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Speaker 1: to your dad, Hello Oliver and everyone there in Atlanta. Iowa. Yeah,

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00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: happy birthday, Emmett. That reverse psychology worked. Man. Uh. If

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00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: you want to get in touch with this like Emmett did,

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00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: and see if I wish you a happy birthday, I'll

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: bet we won't. But who can tell him these crazy times.

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Speaker 1: You can get in touch with us via email, Wrap

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00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: it up, spank it on the bottom, and send it

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Speaker 1: off to Stuff podcast at iHeart radio dot com. Stuff

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00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: you Should Know is a production of I Heart Radios

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Speaker 1: How Stuff Works. For more podcasts for my heart Radio,

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