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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways the podcast I Am Devin joined per Hush

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Speaker 1: by Joe and Steve. Today we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: a mystery. Uh. This mystery was suggested by Shannon and

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Speaker 1: Savvy Ann Bury and like probably body else in this

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Speaker 1: disappearance of Asia Degree. Yeah. I've looked into this one.

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Speaker 1: It's been rather intriguing. Yeah, it's pretty good. I never

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Speaker 1: read on this one a couple of times as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do a quick overview first and then you know,

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Speaker 1: hop into everything. That quick overview is in the early

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Speaker 1: morning of Valentine's Day two thousand in the year two thousand, nine,

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Speaker 1: year old Asia Degree left her house with a packed bag,

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Speaker 1: we're talking like three or four am. Yeah, like very

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Speaker 1: early morning when it's still dark out. By all reports,

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Speaker 1: her home life was stable, it was safe, it was

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Speaker 1: good and suffolks, they were close. She had no history

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Speaker 1: Chatter you see on the internet. It is. Yeah, So

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Speaker 1: you guys. Sure absolutely. Asia lived in Selby, North Carolina,

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Speaker 1: sounds like Asha's parents did shelter her and her brother,

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Speaker 1: Why why they can't punish him? Why? Because kings are

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Speaker 1: parallel with Thatway eighteen and that little subdivision, just so

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00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: you get an idea, okay, okay, And that she was

426
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 1: seen in the vicinity of Highway eight Highway one eighty,

427
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: which is like about halfway maybe between their home and

428
00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: and Shelby on the east side of a mile south

429
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 1: of her home. Yeah, it branches off to the east

430
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 1: and kind of goes southeast. Just as a visual description. Okay,

431
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: So she was seen in that vicinity. She was seen

432
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: about a mile south of her house. Yeah, that was

433
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:15,640
Speaker 1: the last sighting. Yeah, two witnesses. I think we're truck drivers.

434
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 1: Maybe not, but I think they were truck drivers. And

435
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: then one of the witnesses said that he or she

436
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 1: they had been kind of surprised that there was a

437
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: young child at that time in that weather walking, So

438
00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: they circled a couple of times, actually three times to

439
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 1: be exact, circled three times to kind of see if

440
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: they could figure out what was going on, and witnessed

441
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: Asha she like jetted off into there's like little forested pockets,

442
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: So she just took off into one of those forested areas.

443
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of kind of against sadly ironic that somebody

444
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: who actually wanted to help Asia probably thought they were

445
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: pervs and ran away well in the stands of trees

446
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: that she could have run into, because I spent a

447
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: lot of time looking at the aerials and some of

448
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,719
Speaker 1: them were very small. So it's when they say she

449
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,479
Speaker 1: ran off into the woods, like either she crossed the

450
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: road and went east into the big stands of trees

451
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: where she was running into small clumps of trees. It

452
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: was a small clump. There's a there's a news cast.

453
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: There's actually on ABC. They did a vanished episode on her.

454
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: It was like five minutes it's just the one where

455
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,679
Speaker 1: they were. They were highlighting the trees and like a

456
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: green glow to indicate where she had been seen or something. Maybe,

457
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: but you can see she would have been walking down

458
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 1: and then there's a small strand of trees. She would

459
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 1: have just passed either way. The motorists decided, you know what, Yeah,

460
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: I thought, Yeah, I think that he probably thought. And

461
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 1: back in the year two thousand, not probably quite everybody

462
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: had a cell phone. I mean they were pretty ubiquitous

463
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: by that time. It's not like today where everybody has one,

464
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: so definitely not. I mean I didn't have one, yeah,

465
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 1: and I was in like seventh grade, I didn't have one. Yeah.

466
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,719
Speaker 1: And so these people maybe didn't ever mean to call

467
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: the cops. Say maybe you know, if you're especially if

468
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 1: you're a guy, you don't want to go grab a

469
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: little girl and drag her into your car, even if

470
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,160
Speaker 1: you mean, well, because you know, I got I gotta

471
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: tell you. Is that. Well, are we going to talk

472
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: about the bystanders at all in this? Are these folks

473
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: anymore later on? Or is this the only time to witnesses, sorry,

474
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: not the bystanders, Because I don't understand why the guy

475
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: circled three times before stopping, if you know what I mean, like,

476
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: if you're that concerned or that like this does something

477
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: seems smells off here? You why did he wait three

478
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: times before pulling over? Which is weird to me? Well,

479
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, although circling might not circling might have been

480
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: made a U turn three times, so it wasn't three

481
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: three sixties and maybe three eighties. Yeah, but it's just

482
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: it's still to me, it's just weird. Well, yeah, and

483
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: you think he would have just gone back, turned around

484
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: once and gone back and rolled out his window and says, hey,

485
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: what's going on? Why are you here? It's five in

486
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: the morning. What are you doing in? Yeah? Yeah, I

487
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: mean I think there's definitely only some room for if

488
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: it was a U turn and then going back the

489
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: other way, and then a U turn, and then passing

490
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: her a second time, and then doing a U turn

491
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: because the first time you're blasting down a highway it's

492
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 1: bad weather. You think, did I really just see that

493
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: you flip a U turn? That was not you turn around,

494
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: You turn around and then turn around again, and you know,

495
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: pass her again and say that is exactly what I thought,

496
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: And then and then you turn original direction and then

497
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: if that's the way it was, it's not so weird

498
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: to me. When I read it in the descriptions, it

499
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: made me think that this person had made three full

500
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think so. I think that

501
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: was some imprecise language that all right, Yeah, I would

502
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: agree with that, but yeah, that would be a little

503
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: weird if I would have run away to Yeah. Yeah. Now,

504
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: it does seem that Asha packed her backpack of stuff

505
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: of her backpack of things, probably before or the night

506
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 1: that she left. That's up to some speculation, and we'll

507
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that in a couple of minutes.

508
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: But to pack in a lighter grooen rather than a

509
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: dark room where you're trying to like not wake up

510
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: your brother next to you in the bed. Yeah, So reportedly,

511
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: and we're going to stay reportedly here because most of

512
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: this is not actually confirmed. She packed a few changes

513
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: of clothes, her basketball uniform uniform sorry, a purse with

514
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: tweety bird on it, and pencil case, and just some

515
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: other kind of random school bag. Yeah, and it sounds

516
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: like she took more than one pair More than one

517
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: of her pairs of shoes were missing, so she would

518
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: have packed a pair and worn a pair at least,

519
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: so it sounds like she packed. Since the witnesses were

520
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: able to kind of place the last a better last

521
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: sighting of Asia on Highway eighteen instead of near her house,

522
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: a mile away from her house. Basically the search kind

523
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: of centered around that area, and on February sevent so,

524
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: three days later, some candy rappers, a pencil, a marker,

525
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: and a Mickey Mouse hair bow were found in a

526
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: tool shed at Turner's Upholstery, This company that, according to

527
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: their website, is still in business. There's still a sign

528
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: up if you drive by in street view. Yeah. Well,

529
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean even when you google it. Their Google business

530
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: profile pops up and tells you yeah. Yeah. Although they

531
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: don't answer their phone. I call them twice. They didn't answer.

532
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: That's okay. I won't blame them too much. They probably

533
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: got it. Yeah, some stupid podcast want me to fix

534
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: their chair. I don't think that they have any connection

535
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: to the case. But their tool shed did have some

536
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: stuff in it, and tool shed isn't is a bit

537
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: of a junt off of the road. It is two

538
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: feet off of the road. Had to take a hoof

539
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: to get to that place too. I'm assuming she's seeking

540
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: shelter from the weather. That's my assumption as well. That's

541
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: but you know, that's the thing that it is still

542
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: a big headscrasher for me, because you know, like you said,

543
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: it's long ways off the road, a long you know,

544
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 1: at least couple hundred feet, and it's an old building

545
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: that you know, it looks a little creepy. Frankly, even

546
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: in daylight. To a nine year old kid on a

547
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: dark and stormy night going into a building like that,

548
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: that sounds a little bit much. Yeah, so we'll talk

549
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: I'd be a little I'd be a little leary about

550
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: going into a place like that as an adult, frankly. Yeah,

551
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: So we'll talk a little more about why maybe, um

552
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: in theories, let's keep going with this timeline, which is

553
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: that that was all they found for like eighteen months,

554
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: so they had an idea of where she was last sighted,

555
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: some stuff was found there, and then everything just went cold. Yeah,

556
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: it just went really cold until eighteen months later, a

557
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: contractor was doing some digging twenty six miles north of

558
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: Asia's house of the Degrees House on Highway eighteen and

559
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: found Asha's book bag backpack that had her stuff in it,

560
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: reportedly probably had her stuff in it. Again, I'll reinforce

561
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: the fact that Asia was last seen a mile south

562
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: of her house, walking south, walking south south of her house,

563
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: and then her stuff was found eighteen months later, twenty

564
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: six miles north. I don't see what's problem is she

565
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: obviously walked six miles worth, buried it, walked back. Okay,

566
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: maybe not within an hour. Yeah, I know the maximum

567
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: of an hour. It does sort of point in one direction,

568
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: doesn't it. It does. Yeah, and we we know the

569
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: bag was hers though, because it had her name was written. Well,

570
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: I'll just say that the FBI is in charge of

571
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: this case, as this should be, and it is an

572
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: ongoing investigation that they are actively pursuing leads in. So

573
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: they have confirmed that the was hers. They have not

574
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: confirmed any of the contents. That's one of the places

575
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: that we hear a lot about the basketball uniform was

576
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: in that bag. But realistically we're pretty sure due to

577
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: some like calls that one of us placed. I bet

578
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: you can guess who um that sorry that the basketball

579
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: uniform is just an app an internet add on appears

580
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, but that same reporter that I talked

581
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: to you with The Shelby Star said, yeah, there's no

582
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: no evidence whatsoever. There might be a basketball uniform, but

583
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: but there might not be. And since it is an

584
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: active investigation, the only thing that authorities have said is yes,

585
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: this this bag did belong to Asia. They haven't confirmed

586
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: anything surrounding it, what was in it, what wasn't in it,

587
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: if there was any forensic evidence on it, et cetera. Oh, anyway,

588
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: by the way, by the way, I wanted to give

589
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: a shout out to Joyce. Joyce Atally I know with

590
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: the Shelby Star if you're listening, because I gave Joyce

591
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: the name of our podcast and so maybe she is

592
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: when Yeah, yeah she did. She was very generous with

593
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: her time. So thanks again. I hope you're enjoying the podcast. Joyce,

594
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: back to not plugging other people. Yeah, let's talk about

595
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: the mystery again. Reportedly, Asha's bag had had her name

596
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: and phone number on a piece of paper written on it. Again,

597
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: the Internet will say, scrawled in childlike handwriting in pencil,

598
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: But like, how do you know that? Literally? How they

599
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: like scrawled help me? Help me? They would, I'm sure

600
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: the Internet would add that. Yet, also in her backpack,

601
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: were several sets of clothes, the basketball uniform that we

602
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: mentioned before, her pencil case, and photos of her family. Again, literally,

603
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: there's no way to confirm any of that stuff. The

604
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: FBI has never released that, and I have I've seen

605
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: interviews with a Quila where she says, this is what

606
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: was missing from our house. There was no mention of

607
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: family pictures missing, and there was no mention of her

608
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: basketball uniform missing. So yeah, and again that was really

609
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: hard to say. If if you know, if you took

610
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff out of my house and just said, Joe,

611
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: is there anything missing? I would look around and probably say,

612
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, you know, a few things,

613
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: but not You probably wouldn't notice all of it right away.

614
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: You would probably notice if family pictures were missing them. Yeah,

615
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: and in one single basketball uniform, you might notice that.

616
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. But and this is where it helps

617
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: to be poor. You like you're gonna have less stuff,

618
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: so that helps. Yeah, or being a parent, because you

619
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: know what your kid has. Usually it's not like they've

620
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: acquired things on their own, usually at that age. Yeah.

621
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: And the bags, so the bag her backpack was actually

622
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: found double bagged in trash bags trash bag is just

623
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of spine tingling on this. Yeah, this is a

624
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: little strange because obviously you buried it because you wanted

625
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: to get rid of it, So why do you try

626
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: to preserve it by double rapping and trash bags? Is

627
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: what I don't get. Why why for that manage? By

628
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: the way, do you keep it all together rather than

629
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: just you know, taking the tanse out and throwing random

630
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: trash cans? Yeah, why don't you like put a brick

631
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: in that bag and throw it in the river? There's

632
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: that too. I mean, I will destroy things real quick.

633
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: What do you think about the highest profile way, you know? Yeah,

634
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: to me, checking it all in a in a trash

635
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: can is a lot lower profile than going out in

636
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: the field and digging a hole. Yeah, and trash cans

637
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: that's going to go to the dump. It's probably never

638
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: gonna get found. Yeah. Reportedly nearby where they found the

639
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: bags bag, the double bag bag, Yeah, there were a

640
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: pair of men's khaki pants and some animal bones there

641
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 1: were it was initially reported bones, and then they since

642
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: have said no, they were animal bones. Calmed down. It

643
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: is the side of the highway, though, it is, and

644
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: people throw things. I mean it's a couple of times.

645
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: I mean it's like a couple hundred feet off the highway.

646
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: It's not just like the shoulder of the highway. It's

647
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: a little far. It's they were developing it for stuff,

648
00:34:55,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: with all the developments. Yeah, but again, I mean it's

649
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: it's just barren land. Animals die, no big deal. The

650
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: khaki pants, I don't know that. It's not that I've

651
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: stumbled across items of clothing, you know, outdoors and all

652
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: kinds of woods and stuff and one shock. Yeah all

653
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: the time. That's not at all unusual. Yeah. Again, the

654
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: FBI did take custody of all of this stuff and

655
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: have apparently done friends of testing, but again, since it's

656
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation, they haven't at least any of the results.

657
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: And you'll also see it said that later um that year,

658
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: in October. So in October of two thousand one, the

659
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: same that a bag similar to the bag that Asia's

660
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: bag was found in garbage black garbage bag was found

661
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: near the site where her bag was. Well those things,

662
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: I know, and they said they said it was the same,

663
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: and they found it was a garbage Yeah. Anyway, they

664
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: apparently they've sent it to the FBI, and they've done

665
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: some testing on that as well. Again, it's weird, it's reaching,

666
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, they're desperate. Yeah. In two thousand fifteen,

667
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: the FBI decided to re examine the case in earnest,

668
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: which included re interviewing all of the witnesses. They put

669
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: forth a twenty five thousands dollar reward, and then the

670
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: community has added an additional twenty tho dollar rewards, so

671
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: that the total reward for information leading to the discovery

672
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 1: of what happened to Asia is forty five dollars, which

673
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: is not nothing. However, out of the reinterviewing process, it

674
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: does seem that somebody thought they remembered seeing Asia get

675
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: into a car that was a dark green either Lincoln

676
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: Continental or for Thunderbird from the early nineteen seventies. And

677
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: that's a distinctive car because they're big old boat. Yeah.

678
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: The FBI released this information in a of this year.

679
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: So two thousand and sixteen, for those of you who

680
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: are not listening, is this year when this will come out? Dang? Okay,

681
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: See that's that's hard. Um. May of two thousand and

682
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: sixteen is when they release this information. And they said

683
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: they were planning The FBI said they were planning to

684
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: run registrations on cars of similar make, model, and color,

685
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: but they weren't super optimistic because it's unlikely that that

686
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: car still registered, and it sounded like they could only

687
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: run registrations within a certain Frankly, in the early seventies,

688
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 1: a lot of cars that were not dissimilar to those

689
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: were out there, So they gotta run a lot of cars. Well,

690
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but they have to know they need to

691
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: run registration from two thousand, when she has appeared, not

692
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: the seventies, right hands. Yeah, cars moved to different states,

693
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: might not have been from North Carolina to begin with.

694
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, yeah, so that's a that's a

695
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: needle in a hastae, is it really is? That's the

696
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: kind of thing where you gotta, like, you know, you

697
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 1: gotta put it out there with photographs and hope somebody

698
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: out there sees a story and recognize does occur. Well,

699
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: but there's no photographs the photographs of it's similar similar

700
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: cars of two cars of that make that may be similar,

701
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: but also may not be the car at all. The

702
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: other thing people you'll see this on the internet is

703
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: that apparently there was some rust in the wheel wheels

704
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: of this car, which I have a huge problem with.

705
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: I heard it also said that there was rust around

706
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: the wheel wells, which would be like on the outside,

707
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: because either way inside the wheel well it's kind of hard.

708
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: I doubt that it's describing the interior of the wheel well.

709
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: That's not what they're describing, and that's not what I'm

710
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: trying to say they're describing. But that's not why I

711
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. I have a problem with

712
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: it because it's a dark and stormy, horrible night. Woody,

713
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: how how are you seeing this? And how how did this?

714
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: So here's my problem with the whole she got into

715
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: this green giant car thing, is how the hell did

716
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: that suddenly get remembered fifteen years later? Yeah, for sure.

717
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to to say anything negative about any

718
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: of the people who were re interviewed, but I feel

719
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: like maybe somebody invented a detail unintentionally. Yeah, the memory

720
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: is a funny thing, uh you know. I mean, so

721
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take it too terribly seriously. But at the

722
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: same time, they're grasping at straws. I mean, everybody's pretty

723
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: desperate here. Yeah, so we're in the theories now, okay,

724
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: you und really excited about theory to devil. I don't

725
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: like this the theories on this one. I'm looking at

726
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: your list and I don't see aliens anywhere. Sorry, Yeah,

727
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: I mean that could have been aliens. On the worst,

728
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: since there's no sign of forced entry. The external doors

729
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: on the Degree house we're all locked, so presumably she

730
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: used your key to lock the house after she left.

731
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: They're all dead bolt locked, so she and she did

732
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: have a key to lock it from the outside, so

733
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: she locked it from the outside. It appears that she

734
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: also left with a well packed and planned bag. Pretty

735
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: Much everyone assumes that Asha walked out of the house

736
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: of her own volition. She must have, because I mean,

737
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: somebody couldn't have broken in and overpowered her without waking

738
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: up her brother right next to her in the room. Yeah,

739
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 1: and her parents, I mean, they were only save her

740
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: a couple hours, and you know, it sounds like it

741
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: was a pretty small house. And I think overwhelmingly I

742
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: agree that she did get up and walk out herself,

743
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: which is strange because three or so in the morning

744
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: and it's a really foul night out. The reasoning doesn't

745
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: there's no good logic here. Yeah, but again, I mean,

746
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: we're talking about a nine year old girl, and sometimes

747
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: kids do weird things. But one of the issues here is,

748
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: of course, like why would she run away, right, because

749
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: that would be the first theory is that she just

750
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: ran away. As previously mentioned, her home life was stable,

751
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: it was safe, She had a really good social network

752
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: of people. She there was no reports of her having

753
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: bad academics. She had lost that one game, the one

754
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: basketball game but they had that was the first game

755
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: of the season they had lost. Do you did? You

756
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: find out a lot about issues. So, because one of

757
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: the things I was wondering about that was never not

758
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: able to get answers was just how obsessed with basketball

759
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: was she? I don't think she was that obsessed. She wasn't.

760
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: It's well, I remember listening to an interview from her dad,

761
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 1: and her dad was all about sports, and so she,

762
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: because she was an athlete, was all about sports, and

763
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: so she took sports seriously. But she played several sports

764
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: and she was nine. So I don't think that she was,

765
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, the fanatical, die hard for it, she's going

766
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: to make it to the big leagues or anything. I

767
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: think early for that, Other than the typical kid day dream, right.

768
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: But additional to that, if you know, I see the

769
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: train of thought here is maybe she was so upset

770
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: that she decided to leave, but she was not upset.

771
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: There are no reports of her continuing to be upset

772
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: the weekend. Additional you all of that according to people

773
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: who research this sort of stuff and because sometimes you

774
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: think about this, Ben Erminy, who's the director of the

775
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: National Center for Missing and Exploiting Children's Missing Children to Vision,

776
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: and John Goad, who is the director of the North

777
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: Carolina Center for Missing Persons. Those are two of the

778
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: people that I read their research on citing my sources.

779
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: Kids don't really run away, like seriously runaway until about twelve,

780
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: and state officials almost never, like less than one percent

781
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: of the time will state official classified children under ten

782
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: as runaways. They're always missing persons or abducted children. Because

783
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: at that age, if there is a quote unquote runaway situation,

784
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: it's a ran and hit under the stairs all day,

785
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm out of here and I'm for good for good,

786
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: I mean, definitely, there are kids who younger than twelve

787
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: who do that where you know, they run until they

788
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: get to the end of the block and then suddenly

789
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: there they realize that this come home, or even runaway

790
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours, but they come home. But

791
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: I gotta say, the other thing that to that strictly

792
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: being a runaway is that I I you know, I

793
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: don't remember what I was doing at age nine and

794
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: what I was thinking that I really don't remember at all.

795
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: I didn't run away that I can recall. But if

796
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: I were going to run away at that age or

797
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: any other age, I would do it a nice on

798
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: a nice Sunday afternoon, or at least I would do

799
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: it during the daylight. I wouldn't leave at three in

800
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: the morning. But okay, but I I do remember some

801
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: of the things that I did and thought at that age.

802
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: And honestly, you live in a fantasy land. You really

803
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: think that everything is sunshine and roses, and just like

804
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: that that the Whipping Boy the book. You're gonna go

805
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: on these things and it's gonna be great, and it's

806
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. It's just that, you know, most kids

807
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: get out and they go, oh crap, I don't know

808
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: what I'm doing well. And the other reason I don't

809
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: think it was strictly a runaway sad situation is she

810
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: didn't really dress for the weather. From what I've seen

811
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: in the descriptions of people that saw her out of

812
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: Highway A team, she didn't appear that she was wearing

813
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: a coat. Yeah, that's true. But um, just today I

814
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: was getting gas. It's cold here. We should mention it's

815
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: like it was in the thirties today and yeahs at times.

816
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: And I was sitting getting gas, freezing in my car

817
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: with my mittens on, and passed me walks a kid

818
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: who's probably eleven, boy wearing athletic shorts and a T

819
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: shirt and a Santa hat. I watched the kids in

820
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: my neighborhood do that all the time, and I forget

821
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: that at that age, and they were immune to the

822
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: cold longer than us adults. And that's people. That's just

823
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: something about Portland's too. Do you see tons of people

824
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: wearing shorts in the wintertime here and stuff like that.

825
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: It's not just Portland's, yeah, but it's usually shorts in

826
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: like a parka. But all of that aside, you know,

827
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: she did had recently read The Whipping Boy, so people

828
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: will cite that as oh, she thought she was going

829
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: on an adventure. But again, I've read the whipping boy,

830
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: and it is not it's not glorified. Everything works out

831
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: in the end, that's fine, but some really bad stuff

832
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: happens to them while they're traveling. And I mean, I

833
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: don't know, as a nine year old, if you read

834
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: that and think, oh, running away it sounds like fun.

835
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: Getting kidnapped and beat up, that sounds like fun, I

836
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: don't think so. Yeah. Yeah, I think just running away randomly,

837
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm not buying that at all. No,

838
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: I agree with that. But there's a sub theory to this,

839
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 1: and that is that somebody could have influenced her to

840
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: run away. Yeah, coached her. And that's why, if you will,

841
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: And that's why I was wondering about how into basketball

842
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: she was, and that's why I tried to find out

843
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 1: if her basketball uniform was packed in her bag. Yeah,

844
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: because supposing she was feeling frustrated on Saturday after and

845
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: like fouling out and everything like that, supposing she had

846
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: fallen into the influences. So some adults, he said something like,

847
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I know about this special camp for

848
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: basketball camp for pre pubescent girls, and if you go

849
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: attend the school for a week or two, you'll be

850
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: a freaking star. But the important thing is you can't

851
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: tell your parents. It's got to be a surprise. Just

852
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: meet me, you know, at the intersection of Highway eighteen

853
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: and Highway one, idiot, three thirty in the morning on

854
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day and bring a bag and you know, we'll

855
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: make you a star. That's tew Lebron James got started.

856
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Yeah, that's kind of And that's

857
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: why I was wondering about the basketball angle. Because she

858
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 1: had to be to do what she did. It wasn't

859
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: some random names. She had to be highly motivated to

860
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: go out in the dark of a stormy night a

861
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: nine year old kid, and yeah, it was scared of

862
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: the dark. And something really motivated that girl. And God

863
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: knows what it was. She wanted something really bad. She did.

864
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: She wanted to get away from something really bad. I mean,

865
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I'm not saying there's anything

866
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 1: going on at her home because her parents, from everything

867
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: I can tell, we're loving and doing everything right. But

868
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean something around her, in her neighborhood, relative

869
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: relative neighbor something put the fear of God into her

870
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: and she decided had to go. I mean, things happen

871
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: to kids, and kids don't tell right away. I'm not

872
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: saying that's what happened. But you can't rule it out

873
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: because now it's so inexplicable that she did what she did.

874
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: You're right, I can't. You can't rule it out. I

875
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: One of the big question marks for me on that

876
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: idea is that she and O'Briant were of similar age,

877
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: and it sounds like did most everything together. And I

878
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: think that he would have if something had happened. He

879
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: might not have mentioned to his parents right away, but

880
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: once she went missing, I trust that he would have said, oh, yeah,

881
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: this kid was being mean to her. You probably would

882
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: have known. Yeah, that's my I don't know that. That's

883
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: we're all making resumptions here. I have no idea. I

884
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: mean as a rabbit hole. Yeah, it really is. It's

885
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: unlikely to me, at least that she met a predator online.

886
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: I think it was would have been in person. It

887
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 1: would have been somebody or school, like a coach or

888
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: maybe somebody. Yeah, and I also think that if she

889
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: was influenced to leave, they instructed her to go to

890
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: the tool shed at the upholstery place. Because I agree

891
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: with you that it's creepy, and it seems like she

892
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: was kind of hanging out there for a little while,

893
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: and she had to have passed a lot of shelters

894
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: potentially could have ducked into to take shelves from the weather,

895
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: and there were houses if she could have gone to

896
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: and knocked on the door, right, So I think I

897
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: think probably she was instructed to go there. It seems

898
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: like she was hanging out there for a little while.

899
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: And then also, you know, it's it's kind of the

900
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: fact that her hair bow was found there makes me

901
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: think that something happened there, struggled just even a little

902
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: bit of something. I don't think there was any sign

903
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: of a struggle, but you know, her pencil and her

904
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: marker were there, so she I think she was probably

905
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: bored there for a while. That's to me, at least

906
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: they were like out, you know, she was just kind

907
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: of hanging out due to for dueling and stuff like that,

908
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: and then whoever was supposed to pick up picked her up.

909
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's my theory. There's one Internet suspect

910
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: that I'm not ready to rule out, but I'm not

911
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 1: ready to say was him, mostly because I think the

912
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: police are pretty sure that it's not him, but that's okay,

913
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about him anyway. He is currently

914
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: serving two consecutive life sentences for the murder of seven

915
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: year old Salanda Pool. It didn't murder, but we're not

916
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 1: going to talk about it. He did very very bad things.

917
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: He apparently was actually a family friend of the Pools

918
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: for a few months prior, but initially, and know the degrees,

919
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I haven't been able to show

920
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: the Internet has linked this guy to the case, but

921
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: that seems the Internet is the only one who has

922
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: made that link. Yeah, I think the police. When the

923
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: Internet linked at the police thought okay, fine, we'll check

924
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: it out. And there's no connection. Really. But somebody else

925
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: was arrested for Shalanda's murder initially, but it turns out

926
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: that person didn't do it. It was this guy. His

927
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: name is Donald Ferguson, and he participated in the search.

928
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: It's a creepy thing when you hear these kind of

929
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: stories and you're friendly, Oh oh god, he was actually

930
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: taking part. Because there's some that's a weird game there

931
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: that's not I know that. That's why I look at

932
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: the people who volunteer. They do, they do, and they

933
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 1: look for you to like lead them to the body

934
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: because often that's what they do. Yeah, we talked about that,

935
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: and yeah, well I don't think that there's actually connection

936
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: to the Degree family. But Asia and Silanda were both

937
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: young black girls, and they do kind of look alike

938
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: from all the pictures I can see that. I mean,

939
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: maybe he stumbled upon her Highway eighteen. That's possible. That's

940
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: counter to what Devin's theory is here that she was

941
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 1: lured away though, if he just stumbled upon her, right,

942
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: But you know the reason that people have made this

943
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: connection is that Ferguson and Salonda Pool before she was murdered,

944
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: the Pools lived in South Carolina, and um, the Degrees

945
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: lived in North Carolina, so people are, you know, they're

946
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: close kind of. So maybe he was just kind of

947
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: traveling around and I don't know, it sounds like he

948
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: was kind of an odd job, handyman kind of guy,

949
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: which is a great cover if you're a horrible human being.

950
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Not I'm not saying that all handyman people are just

951
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: like the guy that we talked about in the Beaumont

952
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: Children episode, the spider who was traveling around same scenario. Yeah,

953
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: and it is close, and it's kind of I mean,

954
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: Salondo was murdered in the inn and then ten years

955
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: later a shad went missing from a similar area, so

956
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 1: people are thinking maybe there's a connection, but again, the

957
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: police seem to have rulled that out. Yeah, I'm kind

958
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 1: of guessing substantial. Yeah. Well, Ferguson pleaded guilty to the

959
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: charges and returning for not getting the death penalty. Yeah,

960
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: so he's starving too consecutive life sentence there, and so

961
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 1: I got to presume right now the police are fairly

962
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: secure in the knowledge that he's not ever going to

963
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: get out of prison. So I'm assuming they went to

964
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: him and said, dude, we'll give you immunity, just tell

965
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: us what happened. They do that a lot to solve

966
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: They do that a lot. In this case, you're not

967
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: losing out because the guy's already locked up for good.

968
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: So I mean, why not get anything out of charging

969
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: him and giving him five more sentences. Yeah, So and

970
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 1: they've got nothing out of him. That doesn't mean he's

971
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: not the killer, but yeah, son, But even if it

972
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: wasn't Ferguson, I think it's more than likely that somebody

973
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: got to Asia and really just convinced her that she

974
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: should leave her life for a better life. I don't know,

975
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: it's not even necessarily that. It could have been like

976
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, leave for a week. For a week,

977
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:00,360
Speaker 1: go to my special basketball camp and will make you

978
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: a star. It could have been something like that too,

979
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: or hey we got this princess that looks just like you,

980
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: or tweety bird wants you to come visit. I mean

981
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,479
Speaker 1: could go. Ye, there's one another theory here. Well, there's

982
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: more than this theory, but it's hard to one theory

983
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: you will see out there. This is from Web sleuths,

984
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: is that is show was sleepwalking. It's a bad theory

985
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. Yeah, so um on Web

986
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: sleuths they say, well, you know, Asha's mom says that

987
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: she had a history of sleepwalking, which is just a bunk.

988
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: I've never seen Aquila quoted as saying that. When people say, oh, yeah,

989
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: can you link me to that, there's obviously like radio silence,

990
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: nobody can never link to that. It's totally unfounded. As

991
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, Asia had no history of sleepwalking.

992
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: Well she did get you know, she gets up, she

993
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: either pack her bag or she picks up the bag

994
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: she had packed previously because she somehow knew she was

995
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: going to go sleep walking right there access to the the house,

996
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: sleep walking, dead bolts the door from the outside, and

997
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: while still sleep walking and heads on down. Like so,

998
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: I've heard of people who were taking ambien do that

999
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: kind of behavior, but not nine year old kids. Okay, well,

1000
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: in fairness, I um. We had a childhood friend that

1001
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: sleep walked and he his family said, okay, you know

1002
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: what'll keep you from sleepwalking is if we put you

1003
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: on the top bunk. But he managed to. I think

1004
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: he was like twelve when he did this, so a

1005
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: little older. But he managed to climb out of the

1006
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: top bunk. And this was his sister was sleeping on

1007
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: the bunk below. She didn't wake up, and she was

1008
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: my friend. She was not a particularly heavy sleeper. But

1009
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: he climbed out of that, walked down two flights of stairs,

1010
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: unlocked the door, walked out. There was a knob handle locked,

1011
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:55,439
Speaker 1: but he unlocked the dead bolt, walked out, closed the door,

1012
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: didn't slam it because his parents would have heard if

1013
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 1: he'd slammed the door, closed it quietly behind him, walked

1014
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: out and woke up in the middle of the street

1015
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: when someone was honking at him at twelve. So, I mean,

1016
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: it's possible, but there are a lot of other steps

1017
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: here right again, packed a bag that or packed the

1018
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: bag that night. I think it's it's possible. I think

1019
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: I said earlier than I thought she prepacked it, but

1020
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: now I think she didn't pre pack it. Um, I

1021
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know what packing situation. Either way,

1022
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: I don't that's dumb. And if O'Brien was sensitive enough

1023
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 1: to hear her get up and go back to bed,

1024
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: he would have heard her leave again and not come back.

1025
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: That's just my two cents. You think you would think. Also,

1026
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: it was a super crappy night out, like thirty four

1027
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 1: degrees freezing cold, pouring rain that would wake you up.

1028
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: There's no way that you're going to sleep walk for

1029
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 1: a mile. That's a good hour probably for a nine

1030
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, it is possible that she, you know,

1031
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: got a little bit and then woke up and was

1032
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: turned around. But I think she would have had to

1033
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: been out of her a little the little subdivision whatever

1034
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: area that we're calling their neighborhood for her to have

1035
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: gotten that turned around, so she would have had to

1036
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: made it all the way out to Highway eighteen in

1037
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: really crappy weather. I don't think I don't think that's possible.

1038
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's possible. There's there's one component

1039
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 1: of this theory that says, okay, so she was sleepwalking,

1040
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: but like, what happened? How did you put it? She

1041
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: was sleepwalking and then somebody hit her with the car

1042
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: and freaked out and tried to cover it up. First

1043
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: of all, I will grant you that on a night

1044
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: like that, when it's raining that much and stuff like that,

1045
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: it's possible that any evidence could have washed away. But

1046
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: that ignores the fact that they found some of her

1047
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 1: stuff in the tool shed. To take sleep walking out

1048
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: of this equation, because sleepwalking is silliness, and I think

1049
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: we can stop beating on it. Okay, So, but there

1050
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: is there are ways that this that what you're talking

1051
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: about could have gone down, which is, she did decide

1052
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: to leave, she walked, she took shelter, she was dinking around,

1053
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 1: playing with stuff in her bag, and then went back

1054
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: out on the road to continue her hike, at which

1055
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: point she gets hit by a car. I mean, that's

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00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: that's completely possible. I mean when I read this, I

1057
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: initially thought I had to go looking on the map

1058
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: to find where her school was, because I thought, I

1059
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: wonder if she's got some some screwball idea that she's

1060
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: got to go to school early to do something. Except

1061
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: the school is like five miles north of where she

1062
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: lives in Fallston rather than two or seven miles south

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00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: in Shelby, So that doesn't work. Clothes but okay, well

1064
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 1: she a change or two of clothes. Yeah, I don't know,

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00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense, but you know what does. I

1066
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: did notice and I did think about that falls in

1067
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: line with the it's an accident that somebody decides to

1068
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: hide it weirdly, you know what. I found several loves

1069
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: in the area that she disappeared. Ground level pools, I

1070
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: mean like swimming pools, swimming pools that are in the

1071
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: ground or that are sitting on top of the ground,

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00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 1: in the ground, in ground swimming pools. And I was

1073
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: looking through the satellite footage and one of them, eventually

1074
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: in the wintertime images had a cover, but they were uncovered,

1075
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: so she would have had to go trekking to get

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00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 1: to one of them. If she were to do a

1077
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 1: what's the kid who disappeared on the phone? Brandon Swanson? Yeah,

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00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: she could have pulled a Swanson and decided to take

1079
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: a short cut from the shed to the road, and

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00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: that would have run her through if she took the

1081
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: right vector through a yard that had a pool and

1082
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: did not have a fence around it. No, not that

1083
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: I could tell in that that. I didn't see hardly

1084
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: any fences when you looked at it. You know, you

1085
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: get the right daylight and you can see in the shadows,

1086
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: and I didn't see hardly any fences. So I can

1087
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: see that. You know, they wake up and you find

1088
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: a kid floating in your pool and you think, lawsuit

1089
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 1: unless I get rid of the body. Yeah, I mean

1090
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: that's scandalous, but people do it. So this is a

1091
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: total outlier, and I totally get it. But it's things

1092
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: I started deciding, Okay, what has not been talked about,

1093
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: and being the things I started looking at when I

1094
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: looked at her environment, I guess and again I have

1095
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: no way of knowing this, but it seems like there

1096
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: would have been a significant water damage to her backpack

1097
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: and the contents of it if she had drowned in

1098
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: a pool, but we don't know. If that it was

1099
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: a rainy night, that's everything may have been sunked. The

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00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: other thing is she was at an upholstery shop, and

1101
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 1: you know, if they had answered their phone, we could

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00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: find out if they tanned any of their own leather,

1103
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: because if they tanned leather, that that's caustic material, and

1104
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: that means you can chuck a body into it. It

1105
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: disappears pretty easily. I mean again, and things, and I

1106
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: don't think they're right, but I don't I don't think

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00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: anybody suspects the upholstery guys. Oh no, I don't think

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00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: that they did anything. But I'm just saying they want

1109
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: to take a good look. Could that leather thing and

1110
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: had recovered by them probably yeah, okay, well yeah, And anyway,

1111
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: nobody seems to suspect the le other people I don't see. No,

1112
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mean leather, I mean the upholstery, right.

1113
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that, you know, if if if

1114
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:19,919
Speaker 1: there's so few things here, I'm just looking for another one.

1115
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: As far as getting run over by a car that

1116
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: I want to say that I really really really doubt

1117
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: that because even though it totally could easily have happened

1118
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: if it were me, I just look around and see

1119
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: if there was no witnesses, and I would just drive away.

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01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like load the body into the trunk of

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01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: my car and go dispose of it. I just get

1122
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: out of it. It's a hit and run exactly, just

1123
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: take off, you know, and you know, and so the

1124
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: whole it just makes no sense. I really hope that's

1125
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: not the case. Oh yeah, I do you have any

1126
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: other do you have any things you want to talk about? No?

1127
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 1: I mean I could say, is that Asia, Whatever her

1128
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: motivation was, obviously she was highly motivated for some strange treason.

1129
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know that we're ever going to know

1130
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: what that reasonably agree with that. Yeah, I'll just mention.

1131
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: I've seen on some Reddit threads people saying, well, like,

1132
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: obviously the parents had something to do with it. It's

1133
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 1: super suspicious that the dad said that they really are

1134
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: doubting Harold's story that he checked on her and they

1135
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: were in both the kids were asleep, and then like

1136
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: they said, and then an hour later she was seen

1137
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. No stop like just stop stop, Like

1138
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: if if there was any suspicion on the family at all,

1139
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: it would have been exposed. But you're talking about that

1140
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: you read unreaddit is the same inflammatory reaction that we

1141
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: get emails about sometimes when people hear one thing and

1142
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: they block everything else and they react. And that's exactly

1143
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: what that is. Yeah, And I just I want to

1144
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: just go ahead and go on the record and saying

1145
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: like you if you think that, you're a horrible human beings,

1146
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: so stopped, Like just stop. Even if the dad for

1147
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: some reason, even if you forgot to check him at

1148
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 1: two thirty or whatever, so what you know, it doesn't no, no, no,

1149
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: they're saying that he's lying about it, and he did

1150
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: something nefarious and he's the reason that she disappeared. That

1151
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: seems rather unlikely, you know, don't do that. Took her

1152
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: out of the he got her out of bed, and

1153
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: then when they went for a quote unquote to get

1154
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: candy something else. Okay, Yeah, that's whatever. Yeah, Now her brother,

1155
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: her brother heard her rustling around the bed way later

1156
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: than that. I've seen him on the tube, see interviews

1157
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: with him. He seems like a nice enough guy. He

1158
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: doesn't look like a murderer to me. But many of

1159
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: them are just I think really sad, which should well

1160
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: they should be. Yeah, it's expected for christ takes to

1161
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: saying happened on the wedding anniversary too, and you know,

1162
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,959
Speaker 1: and so that kind of like Sully is the whole

1163
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: thing for them. Yeah yeah. So, um, that's all we

1164
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Speaker 1: have on this, frustratingly, if you out there has something

1165
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1167
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,560
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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways podcast dot com. You are probably listening to

1169
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1186
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1187
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Speaker 1: We're done with this one. We'll talk to you guys

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