1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: Wilson and I'm Holly Fry. As folks know if they've 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: been listening for a while on Friday, as we take 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: a little time to talk about the week's episodes and 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: sometimes what the research process was like, sometimes what we 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: personally connected with while working on it. Unearthed has become well, 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: it's been a favorite thing to work on for a 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: long time, but lately it's one of the reasons that 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: it's a favorite thing is that I know when it's 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: time to do it, and that is a week where 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't have to figure out what the topic is. Oh, 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of relief in that 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: moment of not yeah, what's next? Yeah, Yeah, there's a 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into my thought process of 16 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: what I'm going to talk about on the show next, 17 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: and a bazilion factors that get weight into it, like 18 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: whether I'm going to be able to find the material 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: for it in time and all this other stuff. And 20 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: so when it's Unearthed time and I have already spent 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: the entire last three months bookmarking things to go through. 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: It's like a whole giant don't even have to think 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: about that. It is already settled and done. It's right there. Smart. Smart. 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: I have a personal and ridiculous point of pride in this, 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: which is that when we got talking about the possible 26 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: Praetorian guard in the Plenty soldier story, I did not 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: take a Star Wars related side street. So I'm just 28 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: gonna curtsey to myself here in the shoe closet where 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: I record, well, do you want to take it now? Sure? So, 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that thrilling, and it involves a 31 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: thing that tends to get some people very I rate. So, um, 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't need to hear. If you hate 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: the thing I love, that's fine. But in the last Jedi, 34 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: those red guards with the the sort of tear almost 35 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: armadillo esque armor or Coulpritorian guards named after the actual 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: historical ones. But um, that's what I think of when 37 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: I read it. So in my head, plenty haad Pal's 38 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: dressed in all red teared really cool armor. Not really sure, 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: not really. I did want to ask you because I 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: know I have strong feelings having worked in a library 41 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: for many years. And your beloved also a library person. 42 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: This whole library fine sensationalism business, yeah, red rage. He 43 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: does not like it either, and was was very happy 44 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: to learn that the Summerville Library, which I used to 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: frequent all the time when we lived in Summerville, was 46 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: very happy that they've gone fine free. Uh. My funny 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: story about that is, at some point something happened during 48 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 1: my my borrowing history from that library. I don't remember 49 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: exactly what it was, but I turned in something late 50 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: and I incur a I think it was a ten 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: cent fine. I had ten cents of fine or five 52 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: cents of fine. It was a less than a quarter 53 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: fine um, which I paid by handing the person at 54 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: the circulation desk a coin, and they sort of looked 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: at me with an expression of like, I'm not sure 56 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: what you want me to do with this, and I 57 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: was like, I don't it's it's the fine that I'm paying. 58 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say about it, uh, 59 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: and whatever. It never it never came off of my account. 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: And so when learning this whole thing about the library 61 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: books that had been found in return and learning that 62 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: the Summerville Library has gone fine free, I went and 63 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: looked at my account, which still exists, because like that 64 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: library cards has I think like a year before it expires, 65 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: and my fine is no longer there, no longer the 66 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: Summerville Public Library five or ten cents. Uh. Yeah. Patrick 67 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: was very happy to hear that they have gone fine free. 68 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: He does not He does not like the twenty seven 69 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: thousand dollar fine stories, and he doesn't really like the 70 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: financially punitive measures for being late with library books. Right. 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean here I have feelings, and probably Patrick has 72 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: has similar ones. I know, like for me, when I 73 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: was a college student, I had several books out that 74 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: were overdue, and then I was so broke that I 75 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: knew if I returned them I wouldn't be able to 76 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: pay the fine, and I was like scared of getting 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, yelled at indentured by the library people. 78 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what I was afraid of, but so 79 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: I did a very nefarious thing which I don't recommend. 80 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: But I went and reshelved them myself and then said 81 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: I turned those books in months ago. I don't know, 82 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: but understand the dirt poorness that I was dealing with. 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: There was no way and it wasn't even that much, 84 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: it was like twenty bucks. But in the late eighties 85 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: and early nineties, when you are nineteen and twenty, twenty 86 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: dollars felt like an awful lot of money that I 87 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: was never going to come up with um, and so 88 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: don't don't do that, don't be like me. But then 89 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: when in later years I worked at a university library, 90 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: I mean I saw students with that same fear on 91 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: their face. And I didn't work circulation, but thankfully, like 92 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: we had a lot of people in our library that 93 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: we're very understanding of that and not you know, hardcore 94 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: by the book, and they would be like, that's fine, 95 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: we're just gonna wave it. Please don't stress over this. 96 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: You have like exams this week or whatever. Like it 97 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: just it's one of those things that gets so watted 98 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: up in like classism, because people don't always have the 99 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: availability to pay a fine, and like, you know, it's 100 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: it's one of those things that is so potentially painful 101 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: because some libraries used to I don't know if they 102 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: still do have those whole things of like, well, if 103 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: you have an unpaid fine, you don't get borrowing privileges, 104 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: and like for a student, I mean, that's debilitating for 105 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: their work. Um and for a research which you're even 106 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: like most people that are at universities doing research are 107 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: also not particularly wealthy usually. Um, that's part of what 108 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: a library is for because you can't reford to purchase 109 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: those materials. So I yeah, I'm with Patrick, I feel 110 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:26,119 Speaker 1: higher over library fine issues. I would say that here 111 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: in the US, libraries have not always lived up to 112 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: their ideals of being a free resource for everybody. Like 113 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: we've talked about times when uh, libraries were segregated or 114 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: when you know, a city didn't have a library that 115 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: would allow black patrons at all, Like that kind of 116 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: thing has been ongoing. Then there's like a whole history 117 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: of that. Um. But like sort of the ideal of 118 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: a library is for it to be a free resource 119 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: that is accessible to everyone. Uh. And if you're going 120 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: to ban people from the library because they re late 121 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: with something and they can't afford to pay the fee, 122 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: like that's that runs counter to that ideal. You're locking 123 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: out exactly the people who need the resources most. Yeah. 124 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: Uh so yes, it was also, Um, I kind of 125 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: want to just make a little field trip over to 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: Somerville or I don't live anymore. To see like the 127 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: newly the newly restored West Branch Library that was part 128 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: of that, because it, you know, it had a beautiful facade. 129 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: When I was going to that library, like you said 130 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: it was, it's a Carnegie Library. It was built more 131 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: than a hundred years ago, but the interior of it 132 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: especially was like getting really shabby, and so it was 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: a very very badly needed restoration project to go on. 134 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm very curious what it looks like now now that 135 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: it's not a library anywhere close to me. Um, I 136 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: also have a confession of strange and to me areas 137 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: place my brain went when you sent over your outline 138 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: and I was reading it, huh. When we got to 139 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: the Greek curse jar, for a fleeting second, my brain 140 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: was like, were they really charging for swear words? And 141 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,119 Speaker 1: then I just had like the cartoon that automatically runs 142 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: in my head that my brain builds without my permission 143 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: of like people in ancient times and they're weird curse 144 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: jar where they had to somehow turn in chicken bones. 145 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: But that's so funny. I had not even thought of 146 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: that reading of the word curse jar. Yes, uh, if 147 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: you are a potty mouth like me, that's a phrase 148 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: that carries a lot of weight and fear. I'm thinking 149 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: about maybe the potty mouse whose name was right, those 150 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: are the people who said all the bad words. Yeah, 151 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: did you watch the Mummy parade that we talked about. 152 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: I thought parts of it and I saw a lot 153 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: of photos from it, but I didn't see the whole parade. 154 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: It was very, very beautiful. I mean, I'm glad we 155 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: talked about how like, yes, it's very carefully framed not 156 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: to show anything in savory, but it was kind of 157 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: mind blowing in terms of just if you're into theatricality 158 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: and spectacle along with your history, it had it in spades. 159 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: It was so beautiful. Um, My very best friend, who 160 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: is big into Egyptology, was like texting me the whole 161 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,599 Speaker 1: time as she watched it. Um, And you know, was 162 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: was very moved by the whole thing that also happened. 163 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: It seems like the day I finished writing the previous 164 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: Unearthed script for the previous installment of the Unearthed, that 165 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: parade happened, and I was like, we're just going to 166 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: have to do that next time. I settled or have 167 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: I simple We have a thing that somebody sent as 168 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: an email or a message of some sort. This morning, 169 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: a link to something that I started looking at. I 170 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: was like, do I need to stop what I'm doing 171 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: and get this into the thing that we're recording it 172 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: to on o'clock And then I was like, we're just 173 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm talking about that next time. Yeah, uh yeah. My 174 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: other note that I made while we were doing this 175 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: was the idea when we were talking about the h 176 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: M s Urge M and the other one that was 177 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: found off the coast of Libya that people had thought 178 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 1: was the Urge, And I was like, how many conspiracy 179 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: theorists are going to run with this and say there 180 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: were two urges because they really want that one off 181 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: the coast of Libya to have been involved in some 182 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: secret completely like undocumented. I also like how sometimes it 183 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: can be really hard to like conclusively I D a shipwreck, 184 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: especially if it's something that has has not held up 185 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: well in all of its years on the ocean floor, 186 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: or you know, it was no longer on ocean floor, 187 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: gets buried in sand or something like that. Uh, it 188 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: can take a whole lot of work to figure out 189 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: what exactly ship we're talking about. So I I really 190 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: love it when it's like it's written on the Conning 191 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: Tower right there. It's just right there. So yeah, there 192 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: it is. Yep yep. So I hope people enjoyed our 193 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: unearthed uh have another another round of it in about 194 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: three months, with or without historical curse charts. Yeah, we'll 195 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: see see uh so again. Happy Friday. I hope everything 196 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: goes well over your weekend and we'll be back tomorrow 197 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: with a classic and Monday with a brand new episode. 198 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: And have a great weekend. Stuff you missed in History 199 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: Class is a production of I heart Radio. For more 200 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: podcasts from I heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, 201 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.