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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm Innis Williams.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about a field that many legends pursue

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Speaker 1: after their playing experience, the field of broadcasting, even the

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Speaker 1: studio or in the booth, and honestly, with the media

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Speaker 1: landscape ever changing, social and digital opportunities are now available.

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Speaker 1: We're going to hear from legends who are working in

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Speaker 1: the field and working their way toward working in the field. First,

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Speaker 1: we have the three time Super Bowl champion William McGinnis

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Speaker 1: from NFL Network USC. That's right, Southern California house. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you guys why I'm sitting that little later here

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Speaker 1: in a second. Then we also have former Penn State

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Speaker 1: quarterback turned fullback that's an interest story in and of itself,

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Speaker 1: playing for forty n Honors and Seahawks UH Michael Robinson.

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Speaker 1: And then we have U C. L A grade that's right,

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Speaker 1: Maurice Jones Drew UH and also drafted in second round.

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Speaker 1: UH played how many years for Jacksonville. Jacksonville, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I went to Oakland, went home. Yeah, so I went

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Speaker 1: I went home seeing let my family that couldn't make

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you guys about being on

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Speaker 1: air also talking just talking about football. What have you

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Speaker 1: found out to be the hardest thing as it relates

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Speaker 1: to being a broadcaster or being on air that you

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Speaker 1: didn't think it would be this hard. I think being impartial.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you talk to you see your friends

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Speaker 1: or people you have relationships with, you gotta be honest. Um,

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Speaker 1: you gotta call it like it is. And sometimes you

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Speaker 1: know information and you have things that you know what's

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Speaker 1: going on, but you can't because of the relationships and

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Speaker 1: how you got your information. So I think there's a

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Speaker 1: maintain that relationship. But then you have a duty on

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Speaker 1: air to go out and kind of you know, give

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Speaker 1: give your opinion and give your honest assessment of what's

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Speaker 1: being confident, So I think it's hard to kind of

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Speaker 1: balance in between. But I've learned how to get information

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Speaker 1: pushing people out there. Yeah, I agree with you too, Willie.

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Speaker 1: I think getting information like that and using it as

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, without actually saying, oh, such

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Speaker 1: and such told me this and this is what it is.

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Speaker 1: I think that was very That's a that's a gift

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Speaker 1: get into this business. Another thing for me that was

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Speaker 1: was kind of fusing emerging my own air personality with

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Speaker 1: who I truly am. Right, I found it being too

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Speaker 1: hard to It's not a light switch. You can't just

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Speaker 1: So what I started doing was infusing who I am

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Speaker 1: Because now I've kind of feel I've become what I

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Speaker 1: Coming from you? And talk like that every day, talk

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Speaker 1: for me, it's I think a little bit of both

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Speaker 1: now going to another place where they're like, look, you

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Speaker 1: part of my life that I had to chance. We

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Speaker 1: I think it's like anything, you'll you'll eventually get better

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Speaker 1: Think also the respect part of it. I didn't want

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Speaker 1: So I'm just not criticizing, you know, or what he

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Speaker 1: They understand that, like nobody who's ever came to the

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Speaker 1: bad plays and all, like you're saying in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: That's all we do. And everybody talking about how you

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Speaker 1: Appre appreciate, thank you. This has been the NFL Legends podcast.

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