1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: How does a gorgeous thirty three year old single mom 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: of a sixteen month old daughter just disappear? Where do 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: you even start? It's like a needle in a haystack. 4 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: You got to get to know your victim. You got 5 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: to get to know everybody around your victim. You got 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: to retrace their steps, where do they work, who have 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: they've been dating, who lives to their apartment complex? It 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on again. It's like a 9 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: needle in a haystack. But that doesn't change one thing 10 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: we want answers. I mean, I see Grace. This is 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Take a listen 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: to this. Do ginga stars, Jane give me the timeline, Well, 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: the timeline is back. In November of two thousand and six, 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: she went on a vacation from San Antonio, where she 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: was a critical care nurse Lackland Air Force Babe Wilford 17 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: Hall Medical Center. She went to Colorado to spend time 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: with her brother, and she enjoyed it for a couple 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: of days with them, and all of a sudden, one afternoon, 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: she said that she was going to go out for 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: some smoothies, and they don't really know how she left 22 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: because she didn't take her brother's car, but she was 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: gone and she didn't come back, and her little sixteen 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: month old was still there. So in the evening they 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: called police, and that's how it all began. Okay, well, 26 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: I don't get it. Jacas houris she tells the brother 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: to his face, I'm heading out for smoothies or I'm 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: going to meet friends. How did she have friends there? 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: She didn't live there. And if she said that to 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: his face, didn't he see her walk out the door? 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: Didn't he say how are you going to get there? 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: He was in the basement with the children and with 33 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: her daughter, and he didn't see her leave. She did 34 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: just say she was leaving, but he realized his car 35 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: was still there. And let's just get one thing straight 36 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: to the men experts on our panel, and that would 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: be you, James Dan Corcentina and Michael Wheelan. Don't start 38 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: up with me that she ran away with her lover 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: and she shot up somewhere some tropical island right now, 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: don't don't even go there. But you know I've already 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: reprimanded you before I could even introduce you. Guys, you 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: were just hearing me speaking to my longtime colleague Gene 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Kasaris and Hill when we first found out Nannie Dotson 44 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: disappeared with me right now an all star panel to 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. The 46 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: aforementioned James shell Nutt, twenty seven years metro major case 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: and SWAT officer, mel lawyer at shell Nutt Law Firm 48 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor ANGELA. Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us from 49 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at Arnold MD 50 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: dot com. Dan Coorsantino former police chief Colorado, formers sheriff 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: and served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board PI 52 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: at Dan Korsantino Private and investigative security Consultants. You can 53 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: find him at Dan Korsantino dot com. But first let 54 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: me go to Michael wheelan researcher podcaster of Unresolved, and 55 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: you can find that at Unresolved dot m E. You know, Michael, 56 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you first of all about 57 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: how you put together a felony case. Okay, So the 58 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: first thing I would try to do if I open 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: this file after I read it carefully and made notes 60 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: is immediately I mean, right, Dan, call my investigator, find him, 61 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: get him off the street, or wherever he would be 62 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: at that moment. Yet in the county, of course, there 63 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: was always a Crown Victoria area that really blended in 64 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: and goes straight to where the person was last seen. 65 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: After that, I would immediately start finding out everything I 66 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: could about this vix and Nannie Dotson. For instance, who's 67 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the daddy of this sixteen month old daughter, baby Savannah? 68 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: Is he in the picture? Why? Because statistically it's the husband, 69 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: the ex husband, the boyfriend, the ex boyfriend, the lover 70 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: of the live in the next door neighbor with a crush. 71 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: That's where you start. I find out everything I could 72 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: about her. Where does she work? Does she have to 73 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: commute to her? In this case she was in Colorado? 74 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: What friend did she know? I need that cell phone, 75 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 1: I need her laptop, I need her iPad to find 76 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: out who does she who is she having smoothie with? 77 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: And most important, had she ever disappeared before and left 78 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: that little daughter alone? And to my knowledge, Nannie Dotson 79 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: never left her daughter alone. Okay that in mind, Michael Willen, 80 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about where she was last seeing? Yeah? 81 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: So the area that Nannie Dootson was last seen in. 82 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: It was in the area the ninety five block of 83 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: West Unsur Avenue in Littleton, Colorado. Wait wait west what 84 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: West Unsur Avenue? And that is that residential suburban? Is 85 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: it downtown? What is it? Yeah, it's it's a little 86 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 1: bit of a suburban area. That was where her brother lived, 87 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: and so that was the area that she was last 88 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: seen in. But there is kind of like shopping centers 89 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: and little malls and stuff nearby. So you know, without 90 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: the proper zoning, you could say that about anywhere in America. So, 91 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: Michael wheel And I'm trying to get an idea about 92 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: the location because it's actually very critical to finding out 93 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: what happened in Auntie dot cent Now to you, dan Quorcentino, 94 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: you're joining us from Colorado. What do you know about 95 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: this area? This area is basically a suburb area. It 96 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: has high traffic volume. There's a shopping center not too 97 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: far away from Tony Dotson's residents sold it right there. Now, 98 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: I know you're the former police chief and the former 99 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: share and you're on Homeland security, but you're in Nancy Land. Now. 100 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: I hate to tell you that, So I get to 101 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: just interrupt all the time. You just said something very important. 102 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: You said near a shopping center. Is it some upscale 103 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: mall with Nieman Marcus and Sacksmith Avenue or is it 104 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: one of those outdoors strip centers where the sidewalks are 105 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: starting to crack and there's asphalt with chips in it 106 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: and people park their cars overnight and get boots on 107 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: their car. What kind of shopping center. It's a shopping 108 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: center that basically reflects Middle America. It's not an upscale 109 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: shopping center with high end department stores. It's more of 110 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: a strip mall type of shopping center that you can 111 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: go to. You may find a dollar store there. Hey, 112 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: I live about three blocks on the dollars tree. Don't 113 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: knock it, go ahead. But anyway, long story, it's an 114 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: area that is Middle America, if you will, and it's 115 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: within approximately a mile of the residence. There's plenty of 116 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: cameras in the area that would detect any type of 117 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: movement of this situation that's taking place regarding Noddy, if 118 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: she was moving by foot or even being in that area, 119 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: even being picked up or dropped off. Okay, let me 120 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: ask a very critical question, and that is how far 121 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: was the brother's home. She leaves all the children and 122 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: the brother or downstairs played in the basement because she 123 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: get to that strip mall by foot. Absolutely, because you 124 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: know what, you know what, my husband, my husband, my 125 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: husband's aunt Keito again. My son, my son loves to 126 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: go a little known place. I don't know if they're 127 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: all over the country, rita frozen custard. We went on 128 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: an RV trip across the country and we got hooked 129 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: on frozen custard in Saint Louis at Ted's frozen custard. 130 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it was. But now he's 131 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: hooked and it's right by the Dollar Tree and there's 132 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: like a great clips and the parking lots a little 133 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: messed up. But I'm just thinking how that fits in 134 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: with what she's saying. She says, I'm going for a smoothie, 135 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: and I guarantee you cannot have a strip mall or 136 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: a Dollar Tree or a dollar store without some kind 137 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: of ice cream or yogurt or something in the strip center. 138 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: I wonder if that's where she went. Michael Wheeling, Yeah, 139 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: it's very possible. Something that is worth noting is that 140 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: she had kind of grown up in this area, so 141 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: she still had some friends that were, you know, from childhood, 142 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: and you know, wind up getting into this, I'm sure, 143 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: But I gotta make it out of that, Michault, because 144 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: I was given Jenekasaris a little bit of a let 145 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: me say, a cross examination. But is she just goes 146 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: to visit the brother with her daughter or having a 147 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: great family time And I'm thinking, how does she know 148 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: a friend to go have a smoothie with? But you 149 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: just answer that, Michael. Yeah, she had grown up in 150 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: the She had grown up with a military family. You know, 151 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: her mother was in the Air Force as well, and 152 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: they moved around a lot, but they kind of had 153 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: found stability in this area, like the area around Denver 154 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: and Colorado Springs, you know, James Shellnutt. The reason I'm 155 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: asking about the area because you expect a lot of 156 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: crime in an urban area where there're more people concentrated, 157 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: they're living on top of each other, you know, like 158 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: New York City where I raised my children. It's like 159 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: skyrocketed with a crime as opposed to out in a 160 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: rural area, you expect less crime. Not always true, James Shellnutt, No, 161 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: it's not always true, you know, how many stories have 162 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: we covered on the show together where you know it's 163 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: not a show, Tony, these are real powerful that have 164 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: gone through no crime and have real suffering and we're 165 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: trying to have agree. Okay, how many times have we 166 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:14,359 Speaker 1: covered stories where people were in neighborhoods that are considered 167 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: safe and you see all of the neighbors interviewed about 168 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: a missing person or about a violent crime and they're 169 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: just shocked. Hey, and your neck of the wood right now, 170 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 1: the ritzy butthead area is trying to succeed from Atlanta 171 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: because of the crime that is now infiltraded. They're enclaves. 172 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: So yes, it does happen, but less often. That's what 173 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: makes this case very very unusual crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 174 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: you were just hearing me speaking with my longtime colleague 175 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: Jean Kassaris. But now take a listen to me speaking 176 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: with Kate Batton. Chill in the way that it was 177 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: reported to us Nancy is that she just yelled down 178 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: and said that she was leaving. She never indicated that 179 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: she was going to the commotie shop. She never indicated 180 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: how long she was going to be gone. So we 181 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: later heard two other people to hear say that other 182 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: people were saying, possibly she went to that smoothie shop. 183 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: We went to that smoothie shop, which is about a 184 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: mile away, So it's unlikely that Nannie would have actually 185 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: walked there and they had never seen her that now, 186 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: Kay Batton, why do you say it's unlikely she would 187 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: have walked there? In talking to friends and family, Nannie 188 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: wasn't much of a walker, and she's in a very 189 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 1: suburban area, and it's a mile away just to get 190 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: to where the businesses begin, and it would have been 191 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: much easier, inconvenient and logical on a cold November morning 192 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: to take a car. Well, she brought up a really 193 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: good point, Michael Wheeland, it was the cold November morning. 194 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: Now the smoothie thing beliefs since then has been nailed down. 195 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: She did say that because I found out, Michael, you 196 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: got to ask the right question of witnesses. You can 197 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: go through many Q and A sessions and if you 198 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 1: didn't say, what was the last thing she said, I'm 199 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: going to get a smoothie. If you don't ask the 200 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: right question, you may not know that until you finally 201 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: think of the right question. So what do you make 202 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: of it being a Cole November morning, would she have walked? 203 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: And that is that's a major question because as she 204 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: was by foot, it opens up a whole plethora who 205 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: may have gotten her as opposed to meeting someone that 206 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: drove her somewhere. So what do you think, Michael Cole? 207 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: November morning, Yeah, cold November morning, right before Thanksgiving. I 208 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: can't imagine, you know, going out to try and get 209 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: a smoothie on foot. And from what I've heard speaking 210 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: to someone Nazi Mini's friends, it doesn't seem like you 211 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: was the type of person that would have willingly gone 212 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: on foot like that just wouldn't have been her scene. 213 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: She wasn't interested in, you know, going on long walks 214 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: to try and get a smoothie. So I just I 215 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: think that there was definitely first of all, who wants 216 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: a cold smoothie on a cold November day? But to 217 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: each her own, guys, this naughty Dotson just a beautiful girl, 218 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: just perfect teeth. I'm looking at her right now, long 219 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: raven haired, beauty, perfect teeth. Are you looking at her picturely? 220 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean really really pretty? And also I'm looking at her, 221 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: it looks like she got the American flag behind her 222 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: and she looks as if she's in a military outfit. 223 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: Michael Wheellen. Yes, yeah, she was actually a first lieutenant 224 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: in the US Air Force. Okay, God, Drandy Arnold. In 225 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: my mind, that changes things. This woman is a no 226 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: nonsense person, and I find it hard to believe she's 227 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: gonna let somebody get it over on her. She's a 228 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: first lieutenant, right, And I think that she scored really 229 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: high on her entrance exam and she was she was 230 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: very driven. She had she had a really amazing plan 231 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: in her life. She I don't think she's just wandering 232 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: through life not knowing. I think she had plans for 233 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: her life, don't you, Nancy. Well, yeah, especially now that 234 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: I know she's in the military, She's not just wandering 235 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: from pillar to post. No, she's got a plan, yes, 236 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: And she's also got a plan to take care of herself, 237 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: it seems. And she was also a nurse. She knows 238 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: what she wants to do. You know what, who is 239 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Nannie Dotson? Another place you've got to start your investigation. 240 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: Guys were trying to solve the case of Nan Dotson, 241 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: a gorgeous thirty three year old mom of one, a 242 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: sixteen month old little girl named Savannah. Who is she? 243 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: What do we know about her? And well that give 244 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: us any clues as to what may have happened to her? 245 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime online dot com. 246 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: Nanny In Dotson and her twin brother Bo grow up 247 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: alongside older brother Tony near Colorado Springs with their mother, Candice. 248 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: Candice is a single mom and a member of the 249 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: US Air Force. Naughty Dotson follows in her mother's footsteps. 250 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: She has commissioned into the US Air Force, ultimately stationed 251 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: at Lackland Air Force Base just outside of San Antonio, 252 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: Texas as a first Lieutenant. Dotson is assigned to the 253 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: fifty ninth Medical Wing as an intensive care nurse at 254 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: Wilford Hall Medical Center. Intensive Care Nurse. She's no slacker. 255 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: I really can't put my finger on it. James shell Nutt, 256 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: twenty seven years Metro, a major case swat detective now lawyer. 257 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: When I say she's no slacker, I'm not just twiddling 258 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: my thumbs making a comment. So many crimes I prosecuted. 259 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: Shell Nutt. I would go to the scene and everybody's 260 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: just sitting around the house in the middle of the 261 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: day doing nothing. The old adage little Hands or the 262 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: Devil's Workshop. That's true. This woman was no slacker. She's 263 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: an intensive care nurse. She's a first lieutenant to the 264 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: fifty ninth Medical Wing, and she's raising a child, a 265 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: little girl, all on her own. That changes the nature 266 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: of the case. I agree with you one hundred. You 267 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: know this lady as a military term squared away. You 268 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: know she has got her act together. Um, you know, 269 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I think one thing that's very important here is to 270 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: take a look at the overall picture. You know, you 271 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: look here at the term totality of the circumstances. A 272 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: lot of times in the investigation. Yeah, I used to 273 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: hear lawyers say that, so but go ahead, but you 274 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: know you have to consider that too. You have to 275 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: go so that to his investigator getting the big picture. 276 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: And here we have. We've got the squared away military 277 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: nurse and tensive care nurse. You fall, smart with kids, smart, 278 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: beautiful lady. H And is she really going to go 279 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: get this smoothie on this cold day walking in an 280 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: area that she's unfamiliar with. I don't know, just it 281 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: does fit, it doesn't fit the scenario. Yeah, you're right, 282 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: Michael Willing. Did she have a car with her. She 283 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: did not. She had been borrowing her brother's car on 284 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: and off that weekend. But yeah, she did not have 285 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: a car of her own in that area, Michael. She 286 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: only supposed to be there for the weekend. Yeah, she 287 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: was visiting her brother. She was actually stationed at Blackman's 288 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: Air Force in San Antonio, So she was just visiting 289 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: her brother forlorn Thanksgiving basically, like a section of that 290 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: one another thing, Doctor Angela Arnold, you may be able 291 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: to articulate better than I can, but I find it 292 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: very difficult to believe that she goes home to her 293 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: one of her childhood homes and she wants to make 294 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: a hook up over one weekend and leave her daughter 295 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: to do it. It just doesn't agree with you. It 296 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: doesn't fit her. It doesn't fit. It doesn't fit what 297 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: we're describing about her, does it? No? Hey, what more 298 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: do we know about Nannie Dotson? Listen? Nannie Dotson, like 299 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: her mother, is a single mom. While living in San Antonio, 300 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: she decides to take country downing lessons at a local 301 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: dance club, where she meets Edward Vela, twenty years her senior. 302 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: The pair data and Dotson becomes pregnant, the relationship did 303 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: not continue. In fact, Vela wanted nothing to do with 304 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: the pregnancy. Dotson gives birth to her one and only child, 305 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: a daughter named Savannah, in two thousand and five. She 306 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: seemingly leaves behind her sixteen month old daughter. The father 307 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 1: reportedly did not want her to have the child before 308 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: she disappeared, and Nannie had gone and gotten child's support 309 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: for that child. Had to chase down the dad to 310 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: get child's support. Got a look at the bio dad, 311 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: but so far he has been ruled out. Crime stories 312 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. So where do you go? I want 313 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: you to take it to Arnie friend Michael Wheeling. In 314 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 1: an effort to determine where Nannie Dotson was, investigators would 315 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: begin to look through all facets of her life. They 316 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: would learn about a woman that was well liked by 317 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: her colleagues, who was a hard working single mother that 318 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed country music, who did not do any drugs, easily 319 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: proven by the constant screenings required by the military, and 320 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: only drank socially when she went out to the various 321 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 1: country and western bars she frequented in Colorado and Texas. 322 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: They would also learn that Nannie had been heartbroken after 323 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: her breakup with Edward Veil, the father of her daughter, 324 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: and had held off on dating anyone until just recently. 325 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: Investigators would learn that Nannie had been active on dating website, 326 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: including one website in particular called single parents meat dot com. 327 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: She had logged onto that website at least twice prior 328 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: to her disappearance, once at around two thirty am on 329 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: the morning of November nineteenth, the date of her disappearance, 330 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: and then again about eleven hours later at one pm. 331 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: The latter was roughly one were prior to when she 332 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: left her brother Tony's home, and would indicate to some 333 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: that she might have arranged to meet up with someone 334 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: that afternoon. Well, let's get it straight from the horse's 335 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: mouth with me. Michael Wheeling. He's podcast the podcaster creator 336 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: of Unresolved, and you can find that at Unresolved dot 337 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: m E. Michael Wheeling, I know that you said that 338 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Detective C she had logged on to this website at 339 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:32,679 Speaker 1: one thirty am. That means not a lot to me, 340 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: because last night I was looking up a murder case 341 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: at one thirty am. That doesn't mean I committed the murder. 342 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: But if you look at her movements online. Why she 343 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: planning to meet someone. She very well could have been. 344 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: Something that you haven't been really touched on yet was 345 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: the fact that she wasn't the military, but she was 346 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: getting ready to leave the military in a few months. 347 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: So it seemed like she might have been, you know, 348 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: trying to establish from feelers in the area around Denver 349 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: on a dating app. Do you might have Yeah, she 350 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: was showing interest and moving back to the area, and 351 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: it seems like you might have been trying to, you know, 352 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: on this opportunity, you know, this week visiting the areas. 353 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: You might have been trying to find a love connection 354 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: or something like that. You know a lot of people 355 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: to Dan Coorsantino, we hear about these tragedies that happen 356 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: when you meet up with somebody online. In fact, I 357 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: write about it extensively in my knee book, Don't Be 358 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: a Victim PS. All the money goes to National Center 359 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: Missing Exploited Children. So feel free to go on to 360 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: Amazon and buy one. Dan, I'm not just talking about 361 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: dating online. I'm talking about when you go to those marketplaces, 362 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: when you go to Craigslist to buy and sell things 363 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: or dating apps. It's very very dangerous, and I can't 364 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: emphasize that enough. On the other hand, Dan Charsantina, for instance, 365 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: my nephew, super smart, double major biology and it is 366 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: an IT wizard now at a big company, meets a 367 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: lady online and they got married. They're still married now, 368 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: I guess five years later, have a little baby boy, 369 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: perfectly happy. So you know, don't knock it until you 370 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: try it. But it opens up a whole plethora of 371 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: possibilities in this case, well absolutely this case. In regards 372 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: to Nannie, there's an unknown factor when she's online. She 373 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: unless she gets a full name and she gets more information, 374 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: she can do some checking herself. She could, even if 375 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: she had the background, put a request in through the 376 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: Carl Burrow investigation to get for five dollars and some 377 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: background information. As we said before, she was very detailed, 378 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: very professional. I don't think she went to that length 379 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: to do it. I think, as was stated earlier, she 380 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: was searching, trying to find a friend or friends in 381 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: the area. And it's kind of interesting in this case 382 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: that we didn't get feedback from anybody from that dating 383 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: site that I'm aware of. There was in the law 384 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: enforcement investigation, even though they reached out and they traced 385 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: her steps. There was no one that emerged as a 386 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: suspect from this dating site, and the focus then shifted 387 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: to other individuals. Guys, I want you to take a 388 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: listen to our cut thirteen listen. Authorities would attempt to 389 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: track Natie's movement through her cell phone activity, learning that 390 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: she had made a call at around eleven am on 391 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: the date of her disappearance. Police have never revealed who 392 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: this call was made too, but that her cellphone would 393 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: show signs of movement afterward. The date after Nannie's disappearance, 394 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: November twentieth, two thousand and six, herself would ping in 395 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: the area of southwest Littleton, near Ken Carroll Ranch, about 396 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: twenty miles southwest of Denver. This was incredibly close to 397 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: Tony's home, not too far away from the Highway STEA 398 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: for seventy, and was within proximity of the shopping center 399 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: that Nannie was last known to be headed to. Police 400 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: would bring out canine units to search the area using 401 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: some of Nannie's clothing left behind at Tony's home, and 402 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,640 Speaker 1: we're able to pick up her sense throughout the area. However, 403 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: they would ultimately be unable to find any trace of 404 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: Nannie nor her cell phone. You're hearing the voice of 405 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: our new friend Michael Whelan, host of Unresolved, which is 406 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 1: an incredible podcast. So, Michael Wheeland, that's the third thing 407 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: I would day beside go into the scene speaking of 408 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: the same Michael, do we know if the same was 409 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: processed for clue such as blood spatter, pool of blood, 410 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: blood dropping, bud transfer, disarray. Were her items still there? 411 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: Things that she owned? What became of her wallet? What 412 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: became of her ID? What do we know about that? 413 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: Did she take her cell phone with her? Yes, she 414 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: had her cell phone with her, and she had taken 415 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: her purse which contained like her wallets and her ID 416 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: cards and stuff like that. And police were able to 417 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: track down kind of where the signal from her cell 418 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: phone had gone to, and they were able to trace 419 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 1: it down to this really like finite area. It was 420 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: a roughly thirty feet in like a three to four 421 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: acre field, which was nearby the shopping center where you know, 422 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: the smoothie place supposedly was right tell me that again 423 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: they had traced they had traced her cell phone to 424 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: this roughly thirty foot area in a three to four 425 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: acre field, which was right by the shopping center that 426 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: she had been supposedly headed to. And so today that 427 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: answers a lot of questions and what can you tell me, 428 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: Michael wheel And about what happened and the night before 429 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: she goes missing. So the night before she went missing, 430 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: she had actually borrowed her brother's car and she had 431 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: gone out to this like a country as Rose Grizzly Rose. Yep, 432 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: she had gone there, and she had been you know, 433 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: apparently meeting up with some friends and going line dancing 434 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: and whatever else people do there. But uh, it seems 435 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: like she had had a good time. I don't know, 436 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: but I've been tall they have fun me too. But yeah, 437 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: when she was there, she supposedly had a kind of 438 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: a strange encounter with two men that were kind of 439 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: harassing her, you know, given her a hard time, and 440 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: her brother Tony was later report but some guy called 441 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: and he had apparently tried to protect her and he 442 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: wanted to take her out for breakfast the following morning, 443 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: but she wasn't at the house at the time. M 444 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: So he had her home phone number. Well, to me, 445 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: just it's just the hard evidence that we have. James 446 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 1: Shellnutt she says, I'm going to the shopping mall for 447 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: a smoothie. Her cell phone is found in a field 448 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: near the shopping mall. Well two and two equals four. 449 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: Although they didn't teach me in law school, that tells 450 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: me she did take off to walk to the smoothie shop, 451 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: assuming it was in the shopping mall, and she was accosted. Yeah, 452 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: and she was obviously transported from the scene. Um. She 453 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: or either involuntarily or voluntarily got into some type of 454 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: vehicle with someone. Um. And and that tells me that 455 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: if they didn't find any evidence of a crime scene 456 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: other than uh, you know, being able to trace her 457 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: back there to this field, then she was taken from there, uh, 458 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: either voluntarily involuntarily. And they need to be looking for 459 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: the location that she was taken too. And that's that's 460 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: going to provide some valuable clues in this case. And 461 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: Dan Corsentino, we may be running down a rabbit hole 462 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: on the whole dating app because they have her. They've 463 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: got her cell phone, right, Michael h No, they never 464 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: recovered her cell phone. Pa, that's right. But Dan Corsentino, 465 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: can't you with a subpoena get the last text, the 466 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: last phone calls, last emails from someone's cell phone. Absolutely yeah, 467 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: it's a criminal case. And so the law enforcement agency 468 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: in this case of Jefferson County Sheriff's Office can issue 469 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: the subpoenas and they can get recovered the text messages, 470 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: a history of all her inbound calls and all of 471 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: her outbound calls as well as text messages. So there's 472 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: a historical document to do that. I believe. One thing 473 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: that's really interesting in this story is that Tony the 474 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: brother is the one telling the story. He's the one 475 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: providing so much information. And I know later on we'll 476 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: learn about his history. Yes, he does have a history. 477 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: Crime story with Nancy Grace. Guys, you have to look 478 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:10,959 Speaker 1: at allegations that she went missing voluntarily. Do I believe that, 479 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. She had never left her sixteen month old 480 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: little girl, Savannah alone, ever. But take a listen to 481 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: anchor Corey Rose nineties. KUSA investigators typically look to see 482 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: if someone had a reason to go missing. In Nannie's case, 483 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: that was eliminated fairly quickly. She was a single parent 484 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: to a sixteen month old daughter named Savannah. Nannie was 485 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: also three months away from being discharged from the Air 486 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: Force and was getting ready to move back to Colorado. 487 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: I know absolutely she would have not walked off. I 488 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: know that to myselful. Something happened to her. Just after 489 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: Nannie disappeared, police did get a pin from her cell 490 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: phone in an area not too far from the area. 491 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: Dogs trace her scent there, but both ended up dead ends. 492 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Investigators believe she was taken against her will, but Detective 493 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: Alberti says at this point it would take someone stepping 494 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: forward with information to solve the case. It's going to 495 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: take that person to come forward after all these years, 496 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: to say this is what I think happened, or this 497 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: is what I know happened, and uh, you know, in 498 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: these kind of cases, it just takes something really small. 499 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to more from our friend Corey 500 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 1: Rose nine years KUSA TV. It took me six years 501 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: for me not to think about her every single day, 502 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: for me not to cry about night. It took me 503 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: six years. It's been more than a decade since Candas 504 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: Doyle saw her daughter affects your heart and never Nanni 505 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: was visiting from San Antonio, staying at her brother Tony 506 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: Dawson's house in Littleton. He was the last to see 507 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: her on that November day, Jessica, that's bringing up an 508 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: incredibly important issue. The last one to see her is 509 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: the brother. Now, I believe it was Dan Corcentino who stated, 510 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: we will learn more about the brother. You know what, 511 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: let's go straight out to Michael Wheelan, the podcaster and 512 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: creator of Unresolved, and you can find it at Unresolved. 513 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: Dot me, what can you tell me about Tony Dotson? 514 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: That's a there's a lot one pack there. But Tony 515 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: Dotson was Nanny's brother. It seemed like they were pretty 516 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: course growing up, and as we'll touch on, he ended 517 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: up getting in some legal trouble later on. I guess 518 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: that's one way to put it. Yeah, but he was 519 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: not a good guy. He was a guy that a 520 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: few years after Nannie disappeared, he got in trouble for 521 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: some violent behavior. That was just standaging a burglary and 522 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: raping a friend of his fiancee at knife point, trying 523 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: to curve fake favor with two separate gangs members by 524 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: buying them canteen items so they would carry out a 525 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: murder for higher scheme. I would call that more than 526 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: just a brush with the law unless I've got the wrong. 527 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: Tony Dotson age forty one, does this ringing a veil? Yep, 528 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: that's the right's gone back. Yeah, so this is the 529 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: last guy she's with. Yeah, you would assume, you would 530 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: hope that him being her brother, you know, he might 531 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: have felt some he might have felt protective of her 532 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: in some way, but you know, we can't trust them 533 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: to protect anyone. It seems like he was just an 534 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: overall bad guy that was able to hide it for 535 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: a release. Michael, when you don't know a horse. Look 536 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: at the track record, right, tell me about the scene. 537 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,479 Speaker 1: Are you sure they processed his home? I honestly I 538 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: would hope so, but there's no guarantee on that. But 539 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: here's somebody jumping invest and is it Dan or James 540 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: jumping in? Is that you Dan? Yeah? It was me. 541 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't Well, I just want to share 542 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: with you that this guy was a criminal, and there's 543 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: no doubt about it. The mindset that he had from 544 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: my perspective in law enforcement. And there's another factor. He 545 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: had a partner that he was in business with the 546 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: mysteriously died and he inherited from everything that I can 547 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: see then the life insurance policy of about three hundred 548 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, and they thought that there was a link 549 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: between he in that case and his female partner when 550 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: she passed away. So we don't just have one potential 551 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: victim here with a crime that he was charged with. 552 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: We have a second where he was a suspect in. 553 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: So there's a starting to be a pattern of behavior 554 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: in this with this individual. Now, jump in, James, you 555 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: know what is this is even if they have not 556 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: processed that crime scene, even if it's ten years later, 557 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: it is still not too late to process the crime scene. 558 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: It is still not too late to serve a search 559 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: warrant on this property. Not to be gruesome, but fluids, bloods, 560 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: things of that nature. It is very hard to get 561 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: every bit of it. It is very hard to get 562 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: all evidence out of a crime scene. And if that's 563 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: not been done, and I didn't know that until that 564 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: was said a minute ago, if that's not been done, 565 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: that needs to be on the front burner is processing 566 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: this location, getting a search warrant and finding out whether 567 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: or not there's physical evidence of a crime after location 568 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: she was last seen. And one of the reasons Jane 569 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: shell Nut that there may still very well be evidence 570 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: such as blood evidence is because when you come in 571 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,959 Speaker 1: a felon, let's say, a violent crime, and there's blood spatterer, 572 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: you can't see it with the naked eye because there 573 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: are droplets so far, I'm talking about the top of 574 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: the pinhead. How are you going to see that if 575 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: it's down like where the carpet meets the wall, you're not. 576 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right, Michael Wheelan. I'd be very interested 577 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: to know if a follow up search warrant has been 578 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: executed at this home. And another curious let me say 579 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: that's ephimistic putting perfume on the pig. We know that 580 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: this a brother while he's behind bars, tried to solicit 581 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: gang members from multiple gangs, the Eight Trade Gangster Crips, 582 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: the Gallant Knights, Insane, and the two eleven. He tried 583 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: to get members of all those gangs to commit a murder. 584 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,880 Speaker 1: Who did he want to kill? Michael Wheeling? Yeah, so 585 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,760 Speaker 1: he was targeting the victim of a violent sexual assault. 586 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: It was it's yeah, his Beyonce's best friend basically that 587 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: he had been painting for secretly and then broke into 588 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: her house raper and then after committing the famous crime, 589 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: and he was behind bars. He tried to solicit a 590 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: hint basically on her. And this is the guy that says, oh, 591 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: I didn't see her, but I heard her slam the 592 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: door and she went. She says she was going to 593 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: get a smoothie. That's that's the origin of my timeline. Yeah, 594 00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,799 Speaker 1: I just he's not a reliable witness in any way, 595 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: now that we know his true nature. It's it's just shocking. 596 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been an argument over anything, 597 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: over money, over these things can run deep. Who knows 598 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: what they may have argued about. Guys, if you know anything, 599 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,799 Speaker 1: or thank you know anything? The tipline three zero three 600 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: two seven one five six one two Michael Wheelan, what 601 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: do you think? Um? I mean, for me, it's hard 602 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: to overlook the criminal behavior of Tony Dawson. It's just 603 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,840 Speaker 1: he was, you know, the last person at the scene. 604 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: He was the last person to see her. He was 605 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: basically the one of the only witnesses for the investigation. 606 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: And he was also the person kind of leaving the 607 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: search for nodding, the one trying to raise awareness for her. 608 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: It's hard to overlook him, as you know, just this 609 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: glaring spotlight for me personally, I would start there as 610 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: in any investigation, but you know I would have to 611 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: defer to you guys. I'm not sure what you guys 612 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: think about it, Okay, Jampan, doctor Angela Arnold. As I 613 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,279 Speaker 1: always say, when you don't know a horse, look at 614 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: his track record. Yeah, and you know, remember what I 615 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: said one time, If it quacks like a duck, it 616 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 1: may very well be a duck. Nancy, This is all. 617 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: It just seems so obvious to me. He is such 618 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: a bad human being, and he just waves goodbye to 619 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: her or yells goodbye to her. She didn't even kiss 620 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 1: her little girl before she went to get a smoothie 621 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: on a cold morning in November. Let me remind everybody 622 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: Tony Dotson has not been named a suspect or POY 623 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,560 Speaker 1: person of interest. Dotson repeat, not a suspect tipline three 624 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,319 Speaker 1: zero three two seven one five six one two. This 625 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,919 Speaker 1: child has lived her life so far without a mother. 626 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: Nancy Gray's crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,