1 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Hey back. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 2: Normally the show with normal which takes but when the 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 2: news gets weird. 4 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: I am Mary Catherine. 5 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: Ham and I'm Carol Marco. It's him Mary Catherine. I 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 3: think we both had very exciting. 7 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: Weekends we did. 8 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: It was my birthday, so I got I took a 9 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: little trip birthday, thank you. I took a little trip 10 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: to New York City and had a sort of a 11 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: stereotypically a little bit tourist in New York day Central Park, 12 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 2: champagne at a steakhouse, got my nails done, went to 13 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: the comedy cellar. 14 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: It was a great day. 15 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: That sounds amazing that any of that. 16 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. 17 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: I celebrated my husband and I sixteenth anniversary, also in 18 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 3: New York. Actually we didn't see each other, was different days. 19 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 3: I also saw Sebastian Menescalco and Pete Corielli on Friday 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 3: night in Florida. Hilarious. I will just say, if they 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: are touring anywhere near you, it's a must see. I 22 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: cried laughing for the whole time. 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: That's awesome. 24 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: I think I saw Sebastian one time years ago, but 25 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 2: I will look out again. 26 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 3: He's also my celebrity. Like one time I asked on Twitter. 27 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: If you who do you think you'd be friends with? 28 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 3: That's a celebrity that you don't know, and him and 29 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 3: his wife are like my I feel like if we 30 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 3: met each other, we'd have a good time. 31 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: You guys would be buds. 32 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. Does that sound creepy a little? 33 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 4: Right? 34 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm here for it. It was yours, Come on, No, 35 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: mine used to be. 36 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: Actually, I used to think that I would be great 37 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: friends with Mindy Kaling, But now she's hanging with Megan 38 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: Markle and I just don't think it's a match anymore. Right, Yeah, talented, 39 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: but I think she's Yeah, it's just a it's a 40 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: bridge I can't cross. So if for that chance, I 41 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be at the American Riviera with Mindy. 42 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: Think of a couple. 43 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: I have to think of a couple friend so that 44 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: so that Steve can have a buddy, like maybe maybe 45 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: whenever and Powell gets married, we'll see who he pairs 46 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: up with. 47 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: Well, it's also exciting weekend for America. My goodness, America 48 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: had an exciting weekend. The Terriff thing really came to 49 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: a head after we recorded our last episode, and of 50 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 3: course we record this twice a week, and we get 51 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 3: a lot of like, why didn't you cover this, and 52 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: we're like, because it happened after we recorded, and that's 53 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 3: how it goes. But the stock market had a real 54 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 3: bad day on Friday, and it's not having a great 55 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: day today Monday. 56 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: You know. 57 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 3: I have said on here that I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm 58 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 3: still kind of in the same place on this, But 59 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: I don't like the people that are similar to me, 60 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 3: that are like, let's wait and see what happens. I 61 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 3: don't like the dismissiveness, and I don't like the I 62 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 3: just think it's it's it's got a very learned to 63 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: code feel to it, like, oh, who cares about the 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: stock market? Real Americans don't invest in the stock market? Well, 65 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 3: I don't know that that's true. A but also be 66 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 3: a lot of this does have a lasting effect, and 67 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: not just for people who invest in the stock market. 68 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, there's a there's a lot 69 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: of the there aren't There's a significant percentage of people 70 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 2: who have investments in the stock market, including those who 71 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: had a working class or a government career and have 72 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: pensions that are invested in the stock market. So that's 73 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: a large part of these sort of crossover union voters 74 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: that those dismissing their concerns would be should be careful 75 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: about doing that with. 76 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: You know, I I don't feel great about it. 77 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: I am always rooting for the policies of the US 78 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: and the president, no matter the party, to work out 79 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: for us. 80 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: And yet I see a. 81 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: Lot of indications that or a lot of confusion about 82 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: this one and exactly what we're trying to accomplish. 83 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: And I know we have some clips about it. By 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: the way, there was a huge. 85 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 2: Dip in stocks and then a huge rise in stocks, 86 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: and then a fall off again because of a very 87 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: strange thing this morning, which was that someone named Bloomberg 88 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: on X watched a clip of an economic advisor of 89 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: Trump's on Fox overinterpreted it hit as him saying Trump 90 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: was considering a ninety day pause in tariffs, and when 91 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: he tweeted that, a bunch of people saw it on 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 2: X and it. 93 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: Changed the market. The market soared for a few seconds, 94 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: and then some one. 95 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 2: Said no, that was fake news, and then the market 96 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: sank again. 97 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: So there. It's an interesting just. 98 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: A microcosm of how news works these days, and sometimes 99 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 2: a random dude named Bloomberg not getting the right thing 100 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 2: from an interview on Fox means that the world markets 101 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 2: will change, and also maybe a signal to Trump that like, hey, 102 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: if I paused these series, look what happened to the market. 103 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: I think my concern is that it looks like he's 104 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: trying to solve the problem, not so much of tariffs, right, Like, 105 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: there's been news that fifty countries have come to him 106 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: and said, hey, we'll do zero tariffs if you guys, like, 107 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: let's get this figured out. You know, Taiwan is among them, 108 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: Zimbabwe I think was mentioned. You know, there's everybody's coming 109 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 2: to the table. I have no doubt that he wants 110 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: to do those deals. Right, But if we wanted zero tariffs, 111 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: how does that get us back to American manufacturing? You know, 112 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 2: that's just free trade, which I am in favor of, 113 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: but maybe not doing in this fashion, which is pretty disruptive. 114 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: So there's that going on. But then there's also people 115 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: who are saying, no, we need to fix the trade deficit. 116 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: And I don't find the trade deficit inherently to be 117 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: a problem. Sometimes it's a problem, but like I always 118 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: I've pointed this out since Trump's first term, because he 119 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: does not like trade deficits. He feels like we're getting 120 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: ripped off if we have a trade deficit. 121 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: I have a. 122 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 2: Trade deficit with Bojangles because I want to do lots 123 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: of bits there and it's the best place to buy biscuits. 124 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: But they don't need my podcasting skills yet. So we're 125 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: in a trade deficit. But that's not inherently problematic because 126 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: I can sell my products elsewhere and I'm getting the 127 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: thing I need efficiently from Bojangles. Right, So if we're 128 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: trying to solve every trade deficit, we're going to be 129 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: in trouble. And I don't think that's going to be 130 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: a free trade scenario like the ones where Vietnam and 131 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: others are coming to the table and saying zero tariffs. 132 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 5: Right. 133 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: That's the question going forward is who do we want 134 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: to be? And I don't see why we want to 135 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 3: be a manufacturing hub. I think that that is just 136 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: sort of not necessarily a positive for US. I get 137 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,119 Speaker 3: the argument of bringing some manufacturing back to the US, 138 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 3: but a lot of it it benefits us not being here. 139 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: And look, you know, I feel like my impulses is 140 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 3: to be anti tariff, and that's why I'm being kind 141 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: of cautious here and kind of listening to what the 142 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 3: Trump administration actually wants to do. And I'll say, there 143 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: are two kinds of intense Trump supporter, right. There's the 144 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 3: supporter that just likes the guy, trusts him, maybe loves 145 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 3: how crazy he makes. The left is willing to give 146 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 3: him leeway on the more far out ideas like tariffing 147 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 3: the whole world. And then there's the type that loves 148 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: Trump because of these kinds of proposals. I think of 149 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 3: Badya Unger Sargan as one person. She basically overlooks everything 150 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: she doesn't like about Donald Trump and you know, his 151 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: Trump and trump Ism, because he speaks to her values 152 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: and aligns with her issues. And of course that makes 153 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 3: me a little nervous because I love her, but she's 154 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 3: pretty far left right exactly, Yeah. 155 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: Well move been to our original issue with Trump? 156 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly. 157 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 6: So. 158 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: My friend John Carney, he's finance and economics editor at Breitbart, 159 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: He's another person like this. He has been pro tariff 160 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: before Donald Trump was a thing. He doesn't fall in 161 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: line with Trump. He supports Trump because Trump believes what 162 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: he believes. And I have a clip I want to 163 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 3: play from John Carney because I think he's saying some 164 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: things I haven't heard other people say. 165 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 7: Trump just didn't want to inflict that much pain, or 166 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 7: he didn't think he'd get. 167 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Them to come down. 168 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 7: I mean, I think that I know this is wonky, 169 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 7: but you get this is that, Like it's one thing 170 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 7: to say your tariff is ten, you take it, We're 171 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 7: going to go to ten, and if you want to 172 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 7: come down, we'll both come down. But when they started 173 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 7: adding these non tariff. 174 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,479 Speaker 8: Bearers, like the VAT right, which is what Europe. 175 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 7: Uses their tax system, I don't know how you place 176 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 7: a number on that, Like, so how does Europe say, 177 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 7: how are you valuing our vat? You guys have fifty 178 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 7: state taxes and you want us to you know, you 179 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 7: subsidize certain and things. You know, so what are we 180 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 7: supposed to do? I think that that's that to me 181 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 7: is kind of the kicker. Is that, Like, do you 182 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 7: think that they have set themselves up for success? I 183 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 7: guess is the best way to do this at getting 184 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 7: another country to say, fine, we can get that number lower. 185 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 8: I do think they have set themselves up for a 186 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 8: success in this. I think that just doing it mechanically, 187 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 8: I'm like, Okay, here's your tariff, but we're going to 188 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 8: ignore the non tariff barriers. Actually wouldn't have been very productive. Remember, ultimately, 189 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 8: what the goal here is to achieve a more balanced 190 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 8: trade with the rest of the world. We yes, we 191 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 8: don't like the particular non tariff barriers, and we don't 192 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 8: like the tariffs, but those are really means to an 193 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 8: end that countries use to create their giant surpluses that 194 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 8: then the US has been forced to absorb. What we're 195 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 8: saying is we're not going to absorb these surpluses anymore. 196 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 8: We are going to put a terrify on you. If 197 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 8: you start to bring down your tariff barriers and non 198 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 8: teriffic and those result in our trade deficits and trade 199 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 8: surpluses coming closer, then we will lower the reciprocal tariff. 200 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 8: So this is a like I said, it's a proxy 201 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 8: for tariff levels and trade barriers. And the way they 202 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 8: can fix that is by fixing the things that their 203 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 8: country does that create this giant trade imbalance. 204 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 3: Now, John and I have disagreed plenty on this kind 205 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 3: of thing. During the first Trump administration, I was remodeling 206 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: and the price of bathroom tile spike because of the 207 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 3: China tariffs, and Carney got an earfull for me. But 208 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 3: I just want to put a voice out there that 209 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 3: you may still disagree with. And I definitely listen to 210 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: him and say, oh, don't I don't agree with this 211 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 3: part or other things that he says, but that just 212 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: isn't just raw raw Trump for the sake of it, 213 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: and I think that that's important to hear. 214 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. 215 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: I think my concern about some of that is that 216 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: some of the surplus we absorb or willingly and. 217 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: In fact enthusiastically. 218 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: Right, so the surplus such that it is, and sometimes 219 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: I agree that they're like ethical and trade practice concerns 220 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: about like sheen clothes and all the Chinese plastic that 221 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: my children are given at every birthday party they go to, right, Like, 222 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: I have some concerns about that. But if you take 223 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 2: those cheap goods from people quickly, much like the bathroom tile, 224 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: and then they're not available to them any longer, they 225 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: will find that they liked having those things, and then 226 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 2: they will be mad at you. I think one of 227 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 2: the issues with this move too is that whatever comes 228 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: of it, I think the uncertainty has already caused some 229 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: problems and some damage. If you pull your own butt 230 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 2: out of the fire at this point, that's I think 231 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 2: that's better. And if you get some lower teriff rates, great, 232 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: maybe that redounds to our benefit. But it's a it's 233 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 2: a real tough sell to tell people that they're feeling 234 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: the short term pain for all long term gain. That Again, 235 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: I think American workers have are correct in saying, hey, 236 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: I'm not sure cheap goods were worth the trade, including 237 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: machine clothing. Yeah, worth the trade for losing all these 238 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 2: solid jobs that we had back then. But I think 239 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 2: that a new generation of Americans often doesn't really understand 240 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: what that manufacturing, if it returned, would look like. A 241 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 2: lot of it would be automated. Yeah, it's going to 242 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 2: be a long time to get there. So I'm not 243 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: sure we're fixing the problem that we're trying to fix, 244 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: and I think there's other damages happening along the way. 245 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that's exactly right. Somebody made the 246 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: comment that the people on the right saying like, oh, 247 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: we'll just all go back to the factories, like the 248 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,959 Speaker 3: communists who believes that they'll be the poet in the 249 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 3: Marxist collective they don't realize they're going to be like 250 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: cleaning bathrooms. And the great Thomas Soul had a very 251 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 3: rare comment on these tariffs. Let's roll that clip. 252 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 4: It's painful to see a ruinous decision being repeated now 253 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 4: in so far as he's using these terriffs to get 254 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 4: various strategic things settled, and that he's satisfied with that. 255 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: But if he's got set off a worldwide trade war 256 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 4: that has a devastating history, everybody loses because everybody follows suit, 257 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 4: and all that happens is that you get great reduction 258 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 4: and international trade. But if you are the one who's 259 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: making the root, then all the other people have no 260 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 4: idea what you're going to do next, and that is 261 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 4: a formula for having people to hang on to their 262 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 4: money until they figure out what you're going to do. 263 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 3: Right. So I'm with Seul. I'm hoping he's using these 264 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 3: tariffs to get very strategic things settled and that Trump 265 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: will be satisfied with that. But it is concerning because 266 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: people are paused right now and they're waiting to see 267 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 3: what will happen. You know, they are they building a 268 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: factory in America? Are they opening factory in Vietnam that 269 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 3: they were planning to. It's that kind of thing that 270 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,719 Speaker 3: really makes the markets worried. And again, even if you 271 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: don't have money in the markets, it does trickle down 272 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 3: to everybody, and. 273 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: It will affect goods at some point as well. 274 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: Behind the markets, there is a bill in the Senate 275 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: sponsored by Grassley and I forget who the Democrat companion 276 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: is for co sponsoring, that would basically take be Congress 277 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: taking back. 278 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Its power to handle these tariffs. There is a. 279 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 3: Companion ridge they used to like make laws and stuff. 280 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 2: I know there's a companion bill in the House. Representative 281 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: Don Bacon introduced that one. I said over the weekend, 282 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: I was like, if so help me, if this man 283 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: makes Congress take back its power and do its job, 284 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: I'll be like, this is what I voted for. But 285 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: I don't think that's the forty chests at hand. Nonetheless, 286 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 2: I like to see a little gumption from the Congress, 287 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: and who knows what will happen as that goes forward. 288 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: Because of you, that's anything. 289 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: I am highly suspicious of y'all's emergency powers post COVID, right, Like, 290 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: so he's saying this is a trade emergency. 291 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe it's a trade emergency. 292 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 2: I think you're using emergency powers for something you wanted 293 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: to do anyway. And I didn't like it in COVID 294 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: and I don't like it now. So Congress, you should 295 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: get in that game. 296 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: Get the game. 297 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 9: Maybe, you know, I don't know, do the jobs you 298 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 9: were elected to do. 299 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: Indeed, we'll be right back on normally. Shall we talk 300 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: about the big protests, Carol? 301 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 9: They were protests. They didn't seem as exciting as the 302 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 9: pink hat protests in twenty sixteen. They didn't seem as motivated. 303 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 9: They seemed less clear, hands off, hands off, that's what 304 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 9: they want. 305 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: With Yeah, it feels very dated because one of the 306 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: one of the speeches was like, you know, he thinks 307 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: he can put his hands on anything, and I was like, 308 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: are we really doing access Hollywood quotes? Right still on that, 309 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 2: it felt dated and it felt sort of tired, perfunctory. 310 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: Maybe now there were big crowds like I have no 311 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: doubt that there are impassioned Democrats out there and that 312 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 2: the base wants to get out and be mad at 313 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. 314 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: It does feel a little late and a little tired. 315 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: I think, as you noted on x Carol. 316 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: The time would have been to get everybody out before 317 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: the voting and then to the voting booths. 318 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: That would have been that would have been the way 319 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: to do the resistance. 320 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 9: Yeah, I would just say about that. It's because the 321 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 9: media over the weekend was just so excited about these 322 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 9: protests and it was so like, these protests are, you know, 323 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 9: the most just amazing thing that's ever happened, and they 324 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 9: kept referring to them as powerful. And that's why I 325 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 9: was like, you know, it's even more powerful the nationwide. 326 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: Protests the voting, the voting and the voting. 327 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 2: I think we have one clip from one of these rallies, 328 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: and look, I'm just using this as sort of a 329 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: symbol this this young man. I'm not meaning to single 330 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 2: him out, but this is just kind of perfect. 331 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: Here. 332 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 2: He has asked about why he's there. He's got a 333 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: big sign that says Donald Trump is a fascist? 334 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 6: So what what makes Trump a fascist? 335 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 7: What makes Trump a fascist? 336 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 6: Does does things without? Yeah, talk loud and do all 337 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 6: have my mic on I'm not really going into the 338 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 6: Tibet Sorry, he just doesn't. He just does everything he 339 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 6: wants and you know, not following laws or you know 340 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 6: he was a he's a convicted felon. 341 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 4: You know. 342 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: That's all I know. 343 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: That's all he knows. 344 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: I there you go. 345 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 9: I think a lot of these people have no idea 346 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 9: why they're so angry. I get it, I really do 347 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 9: get it. 348 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: I think that they need. 349 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 9: Something to change channel their anger into, and that's what 350 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 9: these protests are about. I am worried about what I 351 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 9: see is really escalating violent rhetoric. And obviously there's actual 352 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 9: violence happening as well. A pro life reporter was punched 353 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 9: in the face in Harlem on the weekend. There was 354 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 9: some other incidents. A lot of these people are having 355 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 9: signs at say, eighty six forty seven, eighty six means 356 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 9: to end. One of them is standing right alongside Minnesota 357 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 9: Attorney General Keith Ellison with this kind of sign. There's 358 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 9: a lot of keying and defacing Tesla's. All of this 359 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 9: is very worrisome, and I think that I understand that 360 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 9: Democrats are trying to get their base back to being 361 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 9: excited after Democrats have like a twenty six percent approval rating, 362 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 9: and they're trying to get them to focus on how 363 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 9: much they hate Donald Trump, to get that that their 364 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 9: numbers up, but they need to bring down this temperature. 365 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 9: I think things are really heading in a bad direction 366 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,360 Speaker 9: with this kind of violent talk. 367 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, give me a clueless guy any day over the 368 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: guy king Tesla's. 369 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 370 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: You know, there is a lot of that, and it 371 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: will be inevitably downplayed by media, even when it results 372 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 2: in physical attacks as it did on a California campus 373 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: against the Turning Point USA gathering and booth and against 374 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: Savannah Craven, who's the activists you were talking about doing 375 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 2: man on the street interviews? Who was hurt and significantly 376 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: so that will be downplayed as it always is. Speaking 377 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: which did you hear that the would be assassin of 378 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: Brett Kavanaugh who did not become a household name because 379 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 2: the target was a right leaning conservative jurist instead of 380 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: a liberal one. He played guilty last week after that attempt, 381 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 2: But again, not a huge story, Nor is the fact 382 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 2: that people are standing around with eighty six forty seven 383 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: signs when he's already been attempted, assassinated twice and the 384 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: state of Iran has verified plans to do the same. 385 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: That's right, I like real flipping about. 386 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 9: It, exactly. 387 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 3: I have a column. 388 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 9: I think it'll be in This episode comes out Tuesday. 389 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 9: I think it'll be in Tuesday's New York Post, not 390 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 9: confirmed yet. But also there's a new report by this 391 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,919 Speaker 9: group called the Network Contagion Research Institute found high numbers 392 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 9: of left leaning people find violence to be acceptable. Over 393 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 9: fifty five percent of left leaning respondents felt there was 394 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 9: some justification for killing President Trump. It's a real powder 395 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 9: keg and I think we need to be way more 396 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,199 Speaker 9: worried about it again, these protests. I get it, and 397 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 9: I understand that there's this pent up anger, but we 398 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 9: need to bring down the temperature, and democratic politicians need 399 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 9: to be at the forefront of that. Saying violent rhetoric 400 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 9: is not going to be okay. Yeah, no I'm not either, 401 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 9: but it's my hope. I just say what you want. 402 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 9: Leave the fisticuffs, heart, you know. 403 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:01,959 Speaker 1: Draw the line clearly. 404 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 9: We're going to take a short break and come right 405 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 9: back with normally. Our last topic is Megan Kelly, who 406 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 9: I think you know. We both stand Megan Kelly, we're 407 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 9: both big fans over here. Made a comment about women 408 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 9: working and how apparently conservative men are not into that idea, 409 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 9: which I've heard from lots of women who are like 410 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 9: where are these men who don't want me to work? 411 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: That's great? Where do I get one of these? Where's 412 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: this pool? 413 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 4: Right? 414 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 9: But you know, I take everything Megan says pretty seriously. 415 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 9: So let's roll that clip and discuss it. 416 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 5: Here's what's happening on the right young women. And I 417 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 5: talk to young conservative women all the time about their 418 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 5: lives and their goals and you know, the things that 419 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 5: they want. And what's happening is they can't find men 420 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 5: who are maybe more conservative. Usually they're looking for somebody 421 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 5: who is religious, you know, like a lot of conservative 422 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 5: women tend to be God, God loving conservatives, and they 423 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 5: can't find a lot of young men who want to 424 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 5: marry a working woman. Now, this is an actual problem 425 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 5: that's coming up on the right, and to me, it's 426 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 5: so sad because it's like, how did we get to 427 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 5: the point where we were now telling young conservative, amazing 428 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 5: women that they're not attractive if they also work, if 429 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 5: they choose to, let's say, do what I'm doing and 430 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 5: what you're doing, and like get their voice out there. 431 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: But I'll stick with me. 432 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 5: Just because I think conservatives listening to this will like 433 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 5: the thought of another Megan Kelly voice up and coming. Well, 434 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 5: why wouldn't we want that? Why would we take somebody 435 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 5: who's talented in this field and really wants to make 436 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,360 Speaker 5: a difference and have the messaging to her be you're 437 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 5: really not that valuable unless you give it up and 438 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 5: go into the home and only have a family and 439 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 5: only raise a family, and not only resenting her that message, 440 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 5: but young men are actually believing that. They're actually believing it, 441 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 5: especially on the right because like the trad mom has 442 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 5: gotten so popular and it's like, no, if we do that, 443 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 5: we're not going to. 444 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: Have any strong. 445 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 5: Conservative or right leaning women to provide a role model 446 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,120 Speaker 5: for younger conservative women who and there's nothing to apologize 447 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 5: for here, don't necessarily want to spend all their twenties 448 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 5: in their thirties getting married and having kids or can't. 449 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 5: They just weren't able to meet somebody and definitely don't 450 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 5: need to be shamed over it. 451 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 9: So I agree with her. Obviously we want the next 452 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 9: Magan Kelly, and obviously we want conservative women kind of 453 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 9: doing their thing. But what I would say is a 454 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 9: lot of jobs a are not as flexible as what 455 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 9: we do. I am done most days by three pm. 456 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 9: It's rare the day that I'm not picking up my 457 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 9: kids from school the day, that I'm not there for dinner, 458 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 9: all of that. And look, we live very busy lives, 459 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 9: you and I. I know that, but I also am 460 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 9: able to say my own schedule, as is Making Kelly 461 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 9: in a way that a typical working person is not. 462 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 9: So I get the argument that men want I guess again, 463 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 9: I've shown me this pool because a lot of women 464 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 9: are having childle finding men like this. But I get 465 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 9: the argument that conservative men want the woman that's home 466 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 9: when they get home, that has dinner ready, that is 467 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 9: with the kids. All of that has a kind of 468 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 9: a more home based life. But you can have that 469 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 9: only if you have the Make and Kelly type job. 470 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 9: It's much harder to have that. My job before media 471 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 9: was I was a paralegal. That's not a job that, 472 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 9: first of all, not super fulfilling. Let's start there. I 473 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 9: feel a lot more fulfilled now, but also not flexible 474 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 9: at all. And I worked insanely long hours and I 475 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 9: wouldn't have been able to be there for my kids 476 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 9: every day to pick them up. So I get her argument, 477 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 9: but not every job is like ours, and it's tough. 478 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is a pendulum swing problem because 479 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,479 Speaker 2: all even conservative men of my age, I've never met 480 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: one who was like, I must have a woman who 481 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 2: stays at home. Like that just was not the message 482 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 2: in the eighties and nineties, and the message for us 483 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: was girl power. Everybody goes out and gets their job. 484 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: I think it leaned too heavily, and this is the 485 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 2: part where the pendulum swings. It leaned too heavily on 486 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: like you gotta go get that sweet sea sweet and 487 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 2: do everything that men want, and get everything that men want. 488 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: And it didn't consider and you see this in polling 489 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: of women of my generation, that message didn't consider that 490 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: maybe we don't want the same thing, right, Maybe we 491 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: want the flexible schedule. Maybe we want to take five 492 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: to seven years off while our kids are at home 493 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: before we get them off to school, or even longer, 494 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 2: and then re enter the workforce later. Right, those are 495 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 2: things that women can want instead of the sea sweet life. 496 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: Now the pendulum has been swinging back, and I am 497 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 2: willing to believe that with that younger cohort of men, 498 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 2: that there are some religion or manisphered or whatever the 499 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 2: reason is that say, if she wants to work, that 500 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 2: is going to interfere with me wanting to have a 501 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 2: family and form a family in the way that I want. 502 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: Being straightforward about that is one thing. Being strong arming 503 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 2: about that is another, because you might have a couple 504 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: of years before y'all have kids, and she would like 505 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 2: to do something with those years earn skills that she 506 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 2: can then use later. Right, It strikes me as unfortunate 507 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 2: that in a time when we have many more choices 508 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: than we used. 509 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 4: To have, that. 510 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: Diet the discourse sort of shoves us to the sides again, 511 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 1: and it's. 512 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 2: Like you're either doing this hardcore or you're doing this hardcore, 513 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: And I feel like there's a there's a lot of 514 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,479 Speaker 2: room in the middle to be able to make choices 515 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: that even my mom didn't have available to her, including 516 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 2: this flexibility part that is available more often than it 517 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: ever was in the past. 518 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 9: Absolutely. Also, there's the fact that life is long, and 519 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 9: just because you're a stay at home mom today doesn't 520 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 9: mean you're going to be stay at home to mom 521 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 9: tomorrow or vice versa. I've been a stay at home mom, 522 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 9: I've been a work at home mom, I've been a 523 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 9: work outside the home mom. I've done it all. You know, 524 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 9: life changes, and you shouldn't commit to just I'm going 525 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 9: to be this one thing. Your kids can go off 526 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 9: to school after you've been a stay at home mom 527 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 9: for a few years, and you might find you want 528 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 9: to work outside the house, or you might find they 529 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 9: need you more than ever and you don't. So I 530 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 9: would just say, don't be so rigid about it either way, like, 531 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 9: see where life takes you, and see where your economic 532 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 9: situation takes you. Anything is really possible. 533 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 2: And then one thing I would say as a caveat 534 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 2: to what I already said because I want is I 535 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: do think the thing where women are told like. 536 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: You've got all the time in the world, don't worry 537 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: about it. 538 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: You know, you're only twenty seven or what have you, Like, 539 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 2: there is actually a time at which it becomes harder. 540 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 2: And if it's something, if having a family something you 541 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: want to prioritize, you should actively prioritiz You should try 542 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: to meet somebody who's the right match with that. You 543 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 2: should try to meet someone with your values. You should 544 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: date intentionally. You should think about when you're gonna have kids. 545 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: So I think that part if you're like sort of 546 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 2: have a goal in mind. But the simple solution is 547 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: not just marry someone who's perfect when you're twenty one 548 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: and then stay home forever, because like a lot of 549 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 2: people don't meet somebody when they're twenty one. 550 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: I didn't, sure didn't. 551 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: Doesn't work out that way, so you gotta I think 552 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: Megan's right that, like, let's reflect the fact that a 553 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 2: lot of people make a lot of different choices for 554 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 2: a lot of different reasons, and you can't be stuck 555 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: in one track forever. 556 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, we love you, Megan, You're the best. 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