WEBVTT - Manhunt 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:04.439 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.240 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.320 --> 0:00:09.280 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:10.720 These are our stories. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:29.880 Done done, Yay, that's messed up. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:31.480 An sv podcast. 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.640 My name is Lisa and I'm Kara, and every week 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:40.200 we bring you an episode recap of SVU, a dive 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.320 into the true crimes that it was based on. And 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.559 sometimes we have interviews with people from the show and 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:51.159 sometimes we don't, but up top we chat away catch up. 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:53.400 And before we start, I do have to say I 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.080 leave this week to New Zealand and Australia, So if 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:01.800 you're in Auckland, Perth, Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, I'll be there too. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.720 Yeah, I'm on out. I'm excited. 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:08.760 Down Under, get with it, get your down Under. I 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.440 cast shout all my upgrades. I will be laying down. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.559 It's a life. I can't even believe it's about to happen, 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.760 doing like a twenty hour lay down exciting. 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.920 Yeah, it's really a thrill because. 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:24.080 That I feel like that's a that's that's really big news, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:24.320 that's you. 0:01:24.480 --> 0:01:26.560 It's like being in the cult finally pays off. It's 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:28.360 like when you get to, like, finally have sex with 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:28.919 the leader. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.240 Yes, yeah, my time has this flight, this flight is 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:39.839 you finally fucking Keith Ranieri and I'm so happy for you. Yeah. Well, 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:42.720 if you guys want to, like sometimes people tell us 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.839 that they get bad ticket sites when they just Google, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:46.959 So go to that's messed up live dot com and 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.600 then Lisa's web Like, Lisa's website is linked there and 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:52.720 that has all her ticket links, so you can get 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.720 legit ticket links and dates and time. 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.160 There's no reason to be on the scam website. 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:01.760 Guys, plenty of we're we're showing you the way. Also 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.760 a flight thing, I did meet a listener in first 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.360 class coming from Charlotte, So just a shout out to 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:12.840 Nicole Talks Bravo. Well, at first she saw me have 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:16.720 an attitude, and then I felt humiliated because my bag 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.280 was moved without anyone asking me, and so I couldn't 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:20.960 find my bag and she knew where it was, and 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.959 I go, but why would they move it without even 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.080 giving me a heads up? And then she was like 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:30.560 I love the pod, oh god, oh god, and the 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:36.520 James Gordon of that flight. Yeah, except you weren't making 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.280 your wife do a bunch of work. No, no, But 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.360 speaking of Bravo though, right before we came on, you 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:45.240 were going to say something about Next Gen NYC. And 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.200 I'm not watching it, but I still want to hear 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:50.960 some thoughts because I am getting clips in case anybody doesn't. 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.320 Well, this isn't even from the show. It's honestly crazier 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.519 and it might entice you to watch. There's a guy, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.360 Charlie on the show if you're watching Sea and he 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.920 sucks but crazy. I don't know if you remember the 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.480 Italian tourist that was being tortured for a month and 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.079 escaped from New York. He was on the scene of 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:08.480 the crime. He was at that house. He was in 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.800 the crypto torture house where they held a tourist and 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.920 tortured him for a month, and he like, there's footage 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:17.359 of him escaping and running out. Charlie was seen there. 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.160 Okay, we have to back it up for a second. 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:22.560 We have to back it up a couple of steps. Okay, 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.560 so the first step is just to explain that there 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.919 is a show on Bravo called Next Gen NYC. It's 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:29.760 like Saved by the Bell, the new class. It's all 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.400 it's a bunch of kids of Bravo people, but then 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:36.000 also well known kids of other just like rich kids. 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.320 The other rich kids are like cool New York kids, 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:41.800 but this guy, Charlie is like, oh great, another housewife kid. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.760 Ugh, yes, God, and you wouldn't have a show. You 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.480 wouldn't have a show. I saw that clip this morning, 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.640 and it's like, but I also saw a clip with 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.520 him being very microaggressive to Riley Burris. That clip was 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:54.880 going around as well, and I'm like, who is he like, 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.920 And of course I can't google, but I'm asking you 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.000 who is he? Where is his connection? 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:02.640 So his dad is like a succession kind of dad, 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.720 like just a rich rich man, and the mom like 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.040 kind of bounced and is like a hippie rock star woman. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.480 And he's just like, you know, he gets money from 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.680 his rich dad and invests in crypto. 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:17.920 Like he's wait, but here's something interesting because I did 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.880 just google it that his dad is a private investigator. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:23.240 Okay, that's I don't know. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.240 I can't really, there's no way you can make that 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:29.960 much money. Well, maybe it's all our collector. And then 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.920 his mom's an art collector. We met his mom. His 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.840 mom's a drug addict. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.240 I think maybe it's all funny, like not that you 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.679 can't be an total elector without being un drugs. 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.400 You actually can, you can actually do. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:46.680 A private investigator is totally I mean, it seemed like 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.760 he's a finance guy, like business finance company. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:54.840 Charlie's the core. Yeah, yeah, no, Charlie is the kid. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.280 Yeah yeah. It says his parents are a private investor. 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:00.240 I'm oh, my god, Lisa. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:00.800 It's investments. 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.000 I knew it. It's private investor, and I was reading it. 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.839 I know, I know, I know, but I just thought 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.360 it was cool because we have a fucking crime podcast. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:12.160 I was like, neat, his dad's a private investigator. Oh, 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.560 I'm sorry. I just like, don't hear the words private 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.159 investor that much. He's like a private Okay, he's in 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.240 a private investor. That's yeah, I'm okay, it's investments. Sorry, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:22.160 but it is kind of funny that I was like, no, no, no, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.120 he's got it in a. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.520 Car all day and like nobody got fired from the squad, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:28.080 you know what. 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:31.920 Nick Kroll's parents level like not, but that's securities. That's 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:35.279 not private investig that's like security. But it's like, but 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.240 it's like, but it's investigating people too, so I thought 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:40.159 maybe it was like that. But it's like the fucking 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:44.920 Peter Tielgey. It's like securities, it's bond it's like it's insane. 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.279 It's not like a p I, right, But I was 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:53.039 just thinking upper echelon a high highest level. Okay, listen, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.440 my brain went to a crazy place. I just like 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:57.000 did not know who this kid was, and I was like, 0:05:57.040 --> 0:05:59.599 he's acting really big for his puches on the show. 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.120 He's like unwell, he's an unwell rich kid who like 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.360 can't function with others, and right aways like, oh, you're trash. 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:11.000 And it's like Arianna Berman's boyfriend is the Zaxby's chicken air, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.520 so you better put some respect on his name. But 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.120 also Arianna is in a lovely relationship. It's beautiful to watch, 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:22.600 Like they went to Jia's house and she like she's 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.479 taking her clothes off to being a bikini and she 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.960 turns to her boyfriend goes is my tampon string hanging out? 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:29.920 And I'm like, oh, this is a real relationship. 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.440 I'm proud of Aria, Like this is beautiful, And they 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.719 brought laundry to Gia's because they're new to New York, 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.200 like they're not used to this life. 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.239 So they brought all their laundry to do laundry in Jersey. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.279 So I lie, so I ca' I saw, like, no, 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:44.600 it's really great that. 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.920 But Riley really stood up for herself in an incredible 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.480 way and was like chill and amazing and like Charlie 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:55.440 was being like so racist and so fucked apologized and 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.640 later in the episode told other people, Oh, yeah, I 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.640 didn't mean my apology. I didn't mean it. I just 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:03.400 had to settle it like I didn't care. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.680 I don't care. And Damon Dash's daughter's in it too. 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:07.200 I don't know. 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.320 It's like fun, it's fun. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:10.960 It's not you know, it's a nice chill out because 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.040 Miami is so intense, the valley is so intense. And 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.880 then like having twenty year old drama be about like, well, 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:17.680 I guess the race. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.520 Stuff was like pretty fucked for sure, but yes, no, 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.480 that was I thought it was like she was Riley 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.800 calm and she was being so she was like so 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.840 clearly communicating what her issue was, and he was just 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.240 like yeah, but no, like I hate, like I hate 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:36.120 that guy, and I literally settle, we could like relax 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:38.760 and it's like, you know you he's straight up like 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.120 did an impersonation of Riley talking to someone with the 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.360 finger spinning his neck like ring like in a circle 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.200 and moving his finger around. And then they cut to 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.120 the footage and it's like none of that is obvious, 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:51.920 like is happening? 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:52.080 No? 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.400 So and then she I love what she calls Candy 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:56.680 and she's and she's like he did the finger wag 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:57.720 and Candy's. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.920 Like, no, he did not, Like it's so good, Miami. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.239 He's incredible too, like Brava. I mean, summer is always 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.120 a desert and stuff. But like they're they're trying. They're 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.160 giving us some little there's giving us some goods. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:09.840 I feel, and I'm gonna be I'm gonna have a 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.040 lot because I'm gonna have a lot to love hotel 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.760 and next gen I'm gonna get into. But can we 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:19.000 also now go to bitcoin torture house, which I have 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.880 never heard of, And I literally just googled it that 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:25.160 a month This happened a month ago. Obviously you live 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:27.160 in New York, so maybe you're getting this kind of 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:27.880 stuff more. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.160 I don't know why this didn't I of him running away. 0:08:31.560 --> 0:08:34.200 I mean things are happening so far. I mean I 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.959 went on stage in Charlotte at like seven, and when 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.360 I got off stage, Iran was bombed. 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.720 Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Oh. 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.320 Also, while I was on stage, a flying cockroach landed 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:44.840 in my hair. 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.320 Stop it, Lisa, stop it. You reacted while more to 0:08:49.400 --> 0:08:51.760 that than Iran being bombed, And well I knew about 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:57.040 Iran being bombed. A flying congratulated in your hair? How 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.520 did you even? Is it on tape? It is, I'm 0:08:59.559 --> 0:09:00.280 posting the clip. 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.120 Don't worry. The clip's going up. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.960 The clip will be up the way. The clip has 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.520 to be comedian destroys flying cockroach that tries to heckle 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:09.280 her during set. 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.920 What I'm definitely doing that. 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.160 Comedian destroys cockroach heckler. Oh my god, I cannot that 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.440 is Look, I'm not even like a scary bug person, 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.319 because like I kill all the bugs in our house, 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:30.200 but cockroaches are another yeah, another level. Yeah, it's really 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.160 They're really in the South. Where you were in the South, 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:33.679 Were they calling it a pal meadow bug? Were they 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.559 trying to downplay it? Were you with a different name. 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:37.640 They might have called it a different name, and then 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:40.960 you know they're big things like it. It's the South, Yeah, 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:46.400 I get, but it was definitely a wild, a wild thing. 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:49.040 But I also, okay, I'm like embarrassed because in Atlanta 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.880 flying cockroach landed on me as well. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.600 So it's like two cities in a row. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:55.520 So obviously I have to google what this means about 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:59.360 my spirit. But I was at another comedian's pool. It 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.559 was late at night after the shows, and we're sitting 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.360 and I feel a bug land on my leg, but 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.520 I go be mature, it doesn't matter, it's okay. Then 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.600 it flies and lands on my arm and that's when 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:11.200 I flip out. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.080 It falls in the pool and it's struggling. It's struggling. 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.199 It's struggling, and it's like, no wonder cockroach just survived 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:21.160 like the dinosaurs, like truly was struggling for so long. 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.560 We finally couldn't look at it anymore, and so she 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.920 went to go cover it with a leaf, but instead 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:29.960 it used itself to like prop the other way and 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.600 then swam then got out of the pool and then 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:35.439 walked straight for revenge. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.240 That cockroach was making it. Wow. 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.960 Yeah, but so I wasn't even like, I mean, my 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.280 hair was different. But yeah, I've had a cockroach on 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.040 like every part of my body. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:50.800 While I was in the South. Yuck, yuck, yuck. Is right? 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.880 Okay, But is it okay if we just really quickly 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:01.200 touch on this fucking yes, we gotta get back to yes, yes, 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:03.680 this okay. I'm reading a CBS news article that I 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.120 just googled that it unidentified twenty eight year old man 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:09.120 managed to escape from his alleged captors on May twenty third. 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.120 This all happened like a month ago in Soho, bloodied 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.400 and not wearing shoes. I mean, this is an SVU episode. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.400 People are constantly sending us SFU episodes to our dms. 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.640 I don't know why I didn't get this guy, he 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:25.200 told police, and two cryptocurrency investors, a thirty seven year 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.360 old and a thirty three year old, have been charged 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.240 with the kidnapping, on assault an unlawful prisonment. They're being 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.800 held without that like what was their real like why wow? 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.840 Oh, I don't know, torture but they. 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:41.720 Are invest in our crypto invest Like what the hell 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.720 were they just like drugged to the hilt and thought 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.240 this was like gonna be fun. That is so nuts. 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:48.400 It's nuts. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.640 They were threatening to have the man's family killed unless 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.679 he paid them a bitcoin. Okay, so it sounds like 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.400 there was a bit of a ransom situation happening as 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:04.640 well or blackmail. Two weeks he was held as they 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.560 thought him as they tried to get him to give 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:09.560 up the password for his bitcoin wallet. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.320 Oh and that how that Wow? I wonder how much 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.720 money was there that he wouldn't give it up? Yeah, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.360 because because bitcoin is not right, because then you would, 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:19.200 well maybe they would. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:21.040 He thought they would kill him if he. 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.600 Told Yeah, because once they have the information, what's. 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:25.199 To keep in mind that. 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:26.760 I'm like, because then you can get it back if 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:28.520 you go to the whatever whatever. But I'm like, oh, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.360 then they have what they need. 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:34.199 They put an air tag around his neck and told 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:41.760 him if he left, they'd find him. It's like, okayal precincts. 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:43.880 Hung him over the ledge of a building. Seems like 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:45.679 they did a couple of stabler things. Hug him over 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.840 the ledge of a building, hit him with a gun like, 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:50.240 you know, pointed a gun at his head a bunch 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.240 of times. But I guess it's like after a few days, 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:54.439 you're like, if they're not going to go through with 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:56.040 killing me, They're probably not going to kill me. Like 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.480 maybe he just thought they forced him to smoke crack 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.320 and they pissed on him. Oh my god, Oh my god. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:06.160 This is so it was. It was seventeen days. So 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:08.760 you know this is going to be a season twenty 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.840 seven episode. There's no way this is not a season 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:15.200 twenty seven episode. I bet a writer the fashing. Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.960 They're literally getting notes on the episode, and then they're 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.520 going to arrest like the Charlie type figure while he's 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:21.800 shooting a reality show. 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.280 Like that's what we're gonna get to. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:29.000 Sources say that two NYPD detectives did private security work 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.880 for the suspects, but there's no indication that they knew 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.320 about the kidnapping. One of these detectives picked the guy 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:37.319 up at the airport at the victim and brought him 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.240 to the house, and one of the detectives was assigned 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.280 on the security detail for Mayor Eric Adams. Oh. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:47.400 Also, if anyone needs something to do, congress Woman from Florida, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:52.280 Kat Camick, she got an abortion. She called the governor 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:53.200 to save her life. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:54.200 Wow. 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.600 Yeah, So if you guys want to call, I call 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.680 DC today And he said you must be civil, and 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:00.600 I go, what a civil? 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:02.280 Mean bit? I call them fascist scum. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.440 But yeah, if you're in the mood, I think there 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.320 are some You should go on her instagram. 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:07.440 You should go on her instagram. 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.200 And it's interesting, all the conservatives that are anti abortion, 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:11.800 we are not seeing them in the comments. 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:17.319 For some reason. They're not mad at her. Hmm, for 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.520 some reason, she's not being attacked. But there's a DC 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.160 office in Osal is it o'cat whatever at Gainesville. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:25.560 There's two offices in Florida. 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:29.960 So call Camick and especially if you live in Florida 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.080 and see why she thinks it's okay for her to 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.160 get an abortion to save her life, but she's okay 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:40.120 with her constituents bleeding to death. Fucking scum. These people 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:41.800 are scum. I don't know how this even came out. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:45.360 I truly, like five minutes before we sat down to record, 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:46.440 I saw it and I was like, I can make 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:47.800 a call into the DC office. 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:49.840 And oh I saw a photo. I saw a photo 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:51.760 of her with an article like in my feet and 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.280 was like, she looks very smug in the photo, Like 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.760 she looks very like yeah, it's you know, that's the 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.000 whole Republican thing is like what's good for me, not 0:14:59.120 --> 0:15:01.320 for thee or whatever, you know, Like they're fine with 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.480 whatever they get gift for themselves. Like and uh, like 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.800 my own parents are like that. When I talk to them, 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:10.240 I'm like, my mom is like I love my mom 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:11.760 to death, but she's like, I would have helped you 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:13.800 get an abortion if you needed one, but I disagree 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:17.000 with abortion. It's like what you know, like it doesn't 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.200 make any fucking sense. I can't make it make sense, 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:24.120 but you know, I feel like raging at someone. I 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.120 literally have the people voting for Cuomo. It's like, are 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:28.640 you guys honestly? 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.600 I brought up Luigi again sorry on stage, and I 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:34.800 you know, I said some fox up shit and the 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:36.800 audience got weird, and I go, grow up. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:37.920 I'm like, are you guys crazy? 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.600 He's being charged with terrorism but not the fucking gunman 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.280 and Minnesota who killed people that work for the government, 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.120 Like do you are you guys stupid? 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:47.720 Like I truly like, are you guys stupid? 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:49.880 And then some people clapped, and then some people were uncomfortable, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.920 but it was just like I. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:54.280 Don't know, I barely read. Why do I see it? 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:55.720 Like I don't get I don't get it. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.760 I don't get the established I don't get being like, yeah, 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.960 the government's not lying, everything's fine. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:01.800 Like I don't get it. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:07.360 I barely read. Oh man, I'm not gonna start, but 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:10.000 we okay, we're not. There's gonna be an s few episode. 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:11.040 We'll fucking cover it then. 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.320 Sorry, you haven't gotten your little Karen Read fix here 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.600 on this podcast. But she's free and we're happy about it, 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.840 and you're what we're happy about it. I'm happy about it. 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:20.800 I'm happy about it. 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.720 Like I just what an insane I can't wait for 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.479 there to be Like I watched the Karen Read documentary 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.680 five part thing on HBO. I guess that was about 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.040 like that was like Karen's behind it. But I really 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:38.160 want someone to do like a comprehensive like everything documentary 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.200 about the whole trial, the first trial, the second trial, 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:42.920 the whole thing, because the second trial seemed like a 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:47.000 fucking circus even more than the first. So but I'm 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.560 glad that she's off. It's it was insane that she 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:53.880 was even being charged with the charge she was getting. 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.680 But she did get drunk driving, and that's true something 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.440 she was doing and that's. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.480 Fine, but it's like all you cops, you couldn't even 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.840 pin a crime on one dumb bitch, and like you 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:06.119 know what I mean, like it's fun you're doing it, 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.040 but like you couldn't even you had to google. Like 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:11.480 you're the ones finding people an evidence and charging people 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:13.840 and you couldn't figure out how to get Like fuck 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:15.560 you God. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.040 I really have been over using the word scum. And 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.880 I don't think there's I mean, I think it's great. 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:23.480 I think it's your word of the moment, and that's 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.760 totally fine. I Also, the thing that's crazy about these 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.280 people is like, did I call. 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.280 The DC office fascist scum? Yes? 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.080 Yes, I go. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.600 I hope you don't sleep at night, you fascist scum. 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.560 It's so funny because scum is such a bad word 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.520 on the internet. Remember when our friend got banned from 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:42.359 Facebook for just writing men are scum. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:44.639 Oh but that's yeah. 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:47.960 But if you wrote, like something else's scum, I think 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.360 it'd be fine. If you wrote democrats are scum, it'd 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.600 be okay. Yeah, it was a men are because you 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:54.560 couldn't say I hate men or all men's SuDS. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.200 And I thought the word scum was that. I was 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.199 like oh scumbag, you know, like it's a word i'd 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.040 stay in front of my kids practically, And I think 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:02.440 some people think it's really. 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.920 Distas the word on the Jersey Housewives that they were 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.520 like so fucking mad at And I was like, I 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:08.960 didn't even know that was a bad word. 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:11.360 It was something so. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.520 Like bozo like it was, but it was like maybe 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:19.960 it was rab it was. I googled it. I googled it. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:21.720 I didn't think of it. I googled, I wrote bad 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:23.720 word all h O NJ really quick and I got 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:28.040 a People thought O slob was so bad. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.399 Okay, but it's like, but I do I want to 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.639 do just another timely thing. I watched Game seven, so 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:35.800 you probably don't care, but it was the Pacers and 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:38.480 the thunder were playing, oh, very young teams. I don't 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.120 know if you saw this, but no one could really 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.719 drink on the Oklahoma team and they didn't know how 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.480 to open champagne and they didn't know what to do 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.760 and so like no, like they needed help to open 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.160 the bottles. One guy had his first beer ever and 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:54.960 like grimaced, like they didn't know. 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.359 How to party through. Oh my god, that's so funny. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.600 And it was cute to me. It's like you, but 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:01.600 I bet they went to. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.720 A strip club after and like had tequila. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:04.200 Hope. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:06.679 But or it's just you know what we say that 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:08.360 youth aren't really doing that stuff. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:10.040 But it's this young. 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.040 Young team and no one really partied or knew how 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.400 to party, just like sports dorks. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:18.800 But sports dorks. Well, but I went to a sports 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.719 bar and I have to show you the mural that 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:24.320 was there because I think you're gonna get a hoot 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:27.640 out of it. Okay, hold on, so and you can 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.920 explain it as you look at it. Actually, Okay, wow, 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:35.280 this is wild. Okay. This is like a classic mural 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.760 of like Jesus Christ, Like he's not on the cross, 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:41.399 but his arms are splayed out welcoming with like the 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:45.480 sort of sunshine panels in the background that's like very clear, 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.639 like this is your Lord and savior Jesus Christ. And 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.919 then over him is a soccer ball, a rugby ball, 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.320 a baseball, a hockey puck just in like, and he's 0:19:56.400 --> 0:20:00.720 right next to a electric labat sign I mean that is. 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:03.040 And you and there's a scroll in the score. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.440 The scroll says if sports were a religion, this would 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:12.560 be heaven, but I had to bring up the thunder. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:13.280 Of course I. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:17.280 Think, yeah a lot, Yeah, yeah, this was fine, and uh, 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.960 you know, then we have a horrific episode. Yeah, we 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:22.320 have a horrific episode. This is uh this episode comes 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.960 out July first, Happy fourth of July, everybody that could 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:30.840 be our last one and uh, you know, let's get going. 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.520 Okay today what a treat and also a nightmare. We 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:44.520 are doing the episode Manhunt, which is episode eighteen from 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:45.720 the second season. 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:48.520 And well we got into this because I was in 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.880 a hotel and SVU just came on as a marathon 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.159 this episode and I was watching it edge of my 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:55.520 CEA had no recollection of this. 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:57.560 I had no recollection of it when I was watching it, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:59.920 but I know I've seen it, no, and then I 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:01.959 I've watched it twice to get ready for this, and 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.399 I still can't comprehend, Like I don't know why I 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.480 will seep into my brain, so you know, I can't 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:08.479 wait for this recap. 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:10.920 But this was like fresh off because we both don't 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.280 have memories of it. So it's like me watching TV 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:14.480 being like we got. 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.679 To do this. Yeah, it's like I know that the 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.880 episode Parasites, which is one of my favorite episodes ever 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.440 with the twins and like where they replace each other. 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.600 We've done it on the podcast. That's the episode that 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.800 follows this one, and like Countdown as a couple episodes 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:31.840 before this, which is also a classic, the philipsy Moore 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:37.360 Hoffman clown Party episode. I just don't understand how this 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.080 one gaffigin What did I say? Oh my god, I 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.959 need of course who I meant to say, but we 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.160 have we're leaving it. 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:47.880 No, no, let me leaving. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.080 That's leave it all right, leave it. I meant to 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.160 say gaff again. I of course meant to say gaffagain. 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.320 I was just thinking of a blonde man with like 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:57.720 then they kept talking about how bad his teeth were, 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:01.000 and it was definitely Gaffigan in my head. It was 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.280 Gaffigan my mouth. The gaffagain was the he was the 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.359 red herring. Anyways, The guy in the end wasn't gaff again, 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.280 right right, It was a different guy. 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:14.000 Yeah, gaffagain played like a box picker upper, Yeah, like 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.120 loading guy loading, and the main guy was Yeah. 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:18.800 He had a bad teeth, because I don' think Gaffigan's 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:23.240 teeth are bad anyway, Jim, if you're listening, I apologize, Okay, listen, Yeah, 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.680 And it just takes makes no sense that like I 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:28.960 would not remember man Hunt. I also love Gaff again famously, 0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:30.960 he did say no to the pod. We did, we did, 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.520 We asked, we asked. I asked him personally and he 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:39.120 said not at this time. But Manhunt is just it's 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.560 the kind of episode I would love, Like I love 0:22:41.600 --> 0:22:44.199 when they're going after a ceial, a ceial anything, like 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.919 I'm always into that. And I just I this was 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:49.679 like a pleasure honestly to like kind of redo it 0:22:49.720 --> 0:22:54.359 because I was, like, no one I remember Finn and 0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.920 Munch going on a road trip. I don't remember a 0:22:56.960 --> 0:22:58.800 lot of these details, Like I could not figure out 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.320 who did it? So okay, Manhunt Season two, episode eighteen. 0:23:03.760 --> 0:23:06.720 This airs April of two thousand and one, just a 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:08.960 few short months before nine to eleven. As you know, 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.679 we always have to put it in time. So this 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.920 couple of people, they it's a guy and a girl. 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.040 They spill out of this twenty four hour diner onto 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:19.360 the cold New York City street and he's begging her 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.959 like please, Anny, one drink, one little drink, and his 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.800 whining is annoying he's like one little drink and she's 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:29.760 like listen, she's being nice. She's like, I'm tired. I 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.359 smell like fries. He's like, I like fries. She's like, 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:34.159 it's a pass, babe. I just want to go in 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.280 my bath, get in my bed, and snuggle up with 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:37.280 my People magazine. 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:39.800 And I love that for her. She walks off and 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.160 he's like, oh, also, it's like, yeah, nothing is as 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:44.280 sexy as someone. 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:52.320 Begging fine getting together, dude, I'm like not hot. He's 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:54.880 walking off and he's like, oh, I like fries. I'm 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:57.320 such an idiot. Whatever, and then she walks in the 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.119 opposite direction, and then he hears muffled screams as this 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.600 girl Annie, who we've just been looking at, is getting 0:24:03.920 --> 0:24:08.520 forcibly thrown into a car, and he tries to help her. 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.040 He's like, hey, Annie, get off of her, and then 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:14.199 the kidnapper pulls a gun. He backs off. Then we 0:24:14.320 --> 0:24:17.639 proceed to see the saddest attempt I've ever seen in 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:20.600 history on this show of two men trying to stop 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:24.040 a crime, Like diner guy literally goes to like touch 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:27.800 the kidnapper on the back gently, and then another guy 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:32.120 runs up and goes let her go very flatly as 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:35.320 the kidnapper just pushes him to the side and drives off. 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.719 Like both of these guys are like wait, no, stop, 0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:39.480 and it's like they're just trying to rub the guy's 0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:43.960 jacket like they don't do anything. And then they both 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.840 run after the car, yelling come back here. It's like 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.320 get the license play. I don't know. They're just not even. 0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:52.000 They're both run after the car yelling come back here. 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:55.520 It's not working, and we see them both like falling 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:57.800 onto the ground. They can't even chase after the vehicle 0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:01.680 without falling. Okay, the diner and our protectors men are 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.560 protectors protecting us. You know, the good thing that we 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.919 had these two men there useless Honestly, the choreography of 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:10.680 it was bad. 0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:11.000 Uh. 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.800 They the diner guy, his name is Butch if you 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:16.880 can believe it, the least Butch man I've ever seen 0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:20.280 on the show. The Good Samaritan is named Marty Khani. 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.840 That just reminds me of pulp fiction. And uh, now 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.960 and then is that not Hanka's area's name. I don't know. 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:29.359 I don't know. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:33.439 Problems. Can I think of something that's not pop culture? 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:38.440 Cinematrix Uh, well, this guy being named Butch is like 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.320 funny to me. He doesn't look like a guy named Butch. 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:42.879 Oh No, but that was Bud. Yeah, it separate names, 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:44.240 but Bruce Willis's Butch. 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.040 Do you want to hear something weird? I went to 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.719 college with this guy named Alan normal, like the regular 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.879 guy I knew. Suddenly, on all of his social media 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:59.600 he's allan quote unquote Butch. Last name, I'm not gonna 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.520 say last And I'm like, and people are on there 0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.720 going happy birthday Butch, like on Facebook and stuff, and 0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:07.040 I'm like, post the age of twenty two, I mean 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.320 I saw him after college, post the age of twenty five. 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:13.800 This man took on the nickname Butch at a butcher shop. No, 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:17.159 he's like a corporate man. It makes no sense to me. 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:17.840 I don't get it. 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:19.560 DM him give a same time. 0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:21.560 I need to be like, what happened with the Butcha? 0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:26.000 I need to know, all right, so Finn gets the 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.399 scoop from uh Munch. 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.720 It's very castanza now that I think about it, because 0:26:32.760 --> 0:26:34.240 maybe he pushed Butch on people. 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:35.679 I keep thinking. 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.399 Maybe it happened naturally in a different thing, like he 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.000 started playing volleyball. I don't know, right, It's like, if 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.159 that was your why is it on all your social 0:26:43.240 --> 0:26:45.119 Like your social is usually for connecting to people that 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.160 you like know from the past, and like, it's weird 0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:50.359 that that's like not what anybody was ever calling you 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:52.800 in college or maybe it was a high school nickname 0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:54.320 that He's like, I'm going to get back into it. 0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.400 It's very confusing. Never heard of it until we were 0:26:57.400 --> 0:27:00.680 like in our late twenties and I see his post 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.719 pop up and be like, but anyway, weird. So Finn 0:27:04.840 --> 0:27:08.280 gets to scoop from munch, who uh oh recognizes the 0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:10.480 em o of this girl getting kidnapped, right, there was 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.840 chloroform found at the scene to knock her out like that, 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:14.920 because you didn't. 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:18.000 Really hear chloroform each other? Make people pay for a 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:19.800 live stream. I want to know what it feels like. 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:22.440 Does is it permanent brain damage or not? 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:24.440 Yeah? Like, can you do just like a little bit 0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:26.880 where you get a little bit woozy and then or. 0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.680 Like, I bet people would pay to watch this chloroform 0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:30.320 each other. 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:33.800 Weigh in. Let us know if you guys would pay 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.679 them to watch us just do a gentle chloroforming of 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.480 one another. But Jared has a really funny joke about 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.879 chloroform where he talks about how like people have so 0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.679 many guns and they act like that's not weird. He's like, 0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.480 it's just weird that you have thirty guns, Like if 0:27:46.520 --> 0:27:48.440 I had, what if I just invited you over my 0:27:48.480 --> 0:27:50.399 house and I said, and this is my collection of 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.800 chloroform soaked rags. I don't use it to hurt people. 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:57.119 I just like to have it, you know. And they 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.199 were just like hanging on the wall like you'd be like, 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:00.679 that's fucking weird. 0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:05.439 So back to this, Yeah, we're really not getting far. 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.480 The chloroform Munch is like the chloroform were in the 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:12.880 cold open Yeah, oh yeah baby, or no, we're even 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:17.639 we're not even past. So the chloroform, the ceiling of 0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:20.120 the of the girl off the street, like it all 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:24.200 matches the same mo Last summer, a guy kidnapped four 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:26.800 women the same way, raped and tortured them and left 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.680 their bodies stacked in a warehouse. And Finn's like, oh, 0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.520 the Bowery Stalker. I know about that. So they go 0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.600 and they talk to Marty and Butch, who remembers a lot. 0:28:35.680 --> 0:28:38.080 Butch is like, I've maybe seen the guy in the 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.520 diner a couple times, like I noticed a tattoo of 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.560 a cat on his right forearm. And then the EMT 0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:45.440 interrupts and is like, we got to get him on 0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.440 the bus. And it's like they literally fell chasing a car. 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.120 Like one of them has a bandage around his knee. 0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:53.120 You have to take him in the ambulance right now, 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:57.600 Like I feel like I got a really cold right 0:28:58.200 --> 0:29:00.360 And then Finn is like, all right, how long do 0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:02.080 you think we have that the Stalker will keep this 0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:06.640 girl alive? And Munch goes until he's finished with her. Yikes, 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.520 I hate dare Why no so credits And now the 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.680 top of act one, we're at the precinct. This is, 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:15.680 by the way, a Munch and fin focused episode, Like 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:17.840 we get Benson and Stabler up top here a little bit. 0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:20.000 They're sprinkled, but we don't get a lot of them 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:24.360 in this episode. This is we are testing the chemistry 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:28.600 of Richard Belzer and Ic who have just become partners, 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.760 you know, like Icy only joined in this season. So 0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:35.920 the Stalker they're filling in. Benson and Stabler are talking 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.840 to Kragan, they're filling in Cabot. The Stalker hasn't attacked 0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.280 in a year. They thought maybe he went underground in 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.920 walks Munch and he's like, they're like, you're late. He's like, 0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.280 I've been up all night interviewing witnesses. And they're like, well, 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:49.640 the DA wants answers. This is a top priority for her. 0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.560 You can have warrants, labs, whatever you need. And he's like, 0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:56.400 why all the backup all of a sudden, And Cabot's like, oh, well, 0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:58.640 the DA just knows how elusive this guy's been. And 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:01.120 Munch is like all paranoid. It's like, oh, because I 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.000 didn't get him last time, is that why now you're 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:06.200 trying to like help me. It's like whatever. Daddy Kraign 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.640 tries to calm baby down, but he's annoyed. He's like, oh, well, 0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.280 if I'm the lead on this case, then why are 0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.640 you guys meeting without me right now? This is my case? 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:15.360 And he's like you're still the primary, but you might 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.080 need backup, and like our only agenda is catching this guy. 0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:20.600 And it's like even Munch gets caught up in the 0:30:20.640 --> 0:30:25.400 whole my case, my glory, territorial mail cop bullshit, you know, 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:28.680 like Munch doesn't do this much later on, but here 0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.400 it's like we're seeing even this guy is like, wait, 0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:33.480 this is mine, when it's like, if you all just 0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:35.600 worked as a fucking team, you could just get it done. 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.040 Munch walks and talks and fills cabin in on everything 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.760 he knows about a year ago, this girl named Sarah 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:46.000 Kimmel stumbled into a bar on Avenue, d naked, beaten 0:30:46.200 --> 0:30:48.480 and claiming that a man with a beard imprisoned her 0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:52.800 in an abandoned warehouse on Broom. When they raided the warehouse, 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:57.400 they found a makeshift sell torture instruments and formutilated bodies, 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.920 some partials, but nothing in the system. And uh. They 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:04.400 stayed on the building for a month but nothing came 0:31:04.440 --> 0:31:08.040 of it, and this guy just vanished. So Finn busts 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:10.600 in with some news about the tattoo. They got a 0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:14.680 hit a scale named Frank Tark Taggart on parole for 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:18.400 assault and he works at the fish market. So I 0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.280 didn't I don't know where the fish market is. Is 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.240 there a fish market down oh, South Street, Seaport? Probably? Okay, 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.200 So they go down to the fish market and Finn 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:29.240 is talking shit about how desperate you have to be 0:31:29.320 --> 0:31:31.239 to work at a place like this, and Munch is like, oh, 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:34.160 I worked here as a kid, like and it's just so. 0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:35.480 Funny because he's like ough the. 0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:38.000 Fish market and Lunch is like, yeah, brings me back 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:41.160 to my childhood. And Finn can't believe that Munch ever 0:31:41.200 --> 0:31:43.480 got any ass after working a shift in like a 0:31:43.520 --> 0:31:46.320 smelly fish dump all day, and Munch is like, yeah, 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.200 two words aqua velva, a hot shower and some aqua velva. 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:52.880 You smell like victim Oone who I had to google. 0:31:52.960 --> 0:31:54.800 He's a big band singer from the fifties. And you 0:31:54.800 --> 0:31:56.600 can always trust Munch to have his finger on the 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:59.960 pulse with the references. Okay, So now there's a guy 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.720 at the fish market who's never been happier to see Munch, 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.360 and his name is Olivetti. Munch calls him olive and 0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.720 he's like Olive and he's like Munchie. They hug. They 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.320 are childhood friends. So this guy Munch got out of 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.680 the fish market job and became an s VU detective. 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:19.040 Olivetti he stayed at the fish market forever and they're like, 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.800 where's Frank Taggart. He points them to him, and uh, like, 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:25.720 whoever is doing the fight choreography on this episode was 0:32:25.760 --> 0:32:29.080 out sick or something for this episode, because this guy 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:34.520 like slow walks towards Finn, grabs Finn and just places 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.240 him slowly on a table full of fish and ice. 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.400 It's very not scary, it's not threatening. Finn probably should 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.800 have been able to like defend himself, and then Munch 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.400 pulls a gun and they've got this guy's dumb ass, 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:48.840 but the whole thing is so slow. It's just like, 0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:51.000 I don't know, watch it again. It's really slow and bad. 0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.240 Finn's also pissed at the guy. He's like, now you've 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.280 got my coat all fishy, it's a new coat. And 0:32:56.320 --> 0:33:01.120 then Munch again callback goes aqua velva, so well, now 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.520 you know this guy also, like you didn't think assaulting 0:33:05.560 --> 0:33:07.320 a cop was going to get you brought in like 0:33:07.400 --> 0:33:10.320 you are. You've literally been in prison before, like you 0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:14.160 know how this works. So in interrogation, Munch and Finn 0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:18.000 are talking to Taggart about his tattoo and he's like, yeah, 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.240 it's an original from Elmo's Tats on Eighth Street, and 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.280 he's got an alibi from the night before he was 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.960 working the door at Rusty's Bar and Finn tells Taggert, well, 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:29.479 we like you for this kidnapping, and he's like, I 0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.360 was nowhere near that place of that kidnapping, and any 0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:34.600 witness who puts me there is lying. You kind of 0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.800 believe him because A Nope, they never catch the guy 0:33:37.800 --> 0:33:39.520 in the first five minutes of the show, so it's 0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:43.560 probably not him. But now they're filling in Kragan, and 0:33:43.600 --> 0:33:47.000 the bartender at Rusty says that Taggart did duck out 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:49.080 around eleven, so he did have time to get to 0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:53.000 the diner, so his alibi is not even fully full proof. 0:33:53.440 --> 0:33:56.720 But the car isn't registered to him because they basically 0:33:56.800 --> 0:33:59.320 everyone has identified what they keep calling a four by four, 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.160 but it's a pat it's like a SUV and that 0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:04.120 car there's no car registered to him, but he may 0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.080 have stolen it. They're gonna put this guy in a 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:09.120 lineup for the witnesses, and they're like, go get Sarah Kimmel, 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.239 go get the victim who got away, Go get the girl. 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:13.640 Let's re traumatize her. And Munch doesn't want to do it. 0:34:13.680 --> 0:34:15.040 He's like, I don't want to fuck with this girl. 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:18.759 This guy fucked her up, like traumatized her, like she 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:22.280 was escaped and wanted into a bar naked and beaten. 0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.080 Come on. But Craigan's like, you know how it works, buddy, 0:34:25.120 --> 0:34:27.680 you gotta do it, so now. Butcher's at the lineup 0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:29.960 and he's like, I don't I don't know if I 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.680 see him. I really only noticed the tattoo and the gun. 0:34:33.520 --> 0:34:36.520 And when I was watching the scene, he's not wearing 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:40.360 anything over his face, is he like, when the guy takes. 0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:42.080 Her, I told you, I don't remember anything. I'm sitting 0:34:42.120 --> 0:34:42.920 in in my seat. 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:43.160 Yeah. 0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.759 Yeah, Like I thought it was like weird that you 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:47.759 didn't look at his face at all. But anyway, and 0:34:47.840 --> 0:34:50.239 so he he's like, all I focused on was the 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:52.000 tattoo and the gun he was holding on me. And 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:56.160 then Marty Potter comes in there and erroneously identifies a cop. 0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:00.840 He's like, how around, Oh, yes, okay, Richard in Chicago. 0:35:01.200 --> 0:35:05.640 I can't believe you just used that word. I did 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:08.279 a dance in school in my Dan's clause one time 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:11.240 to a song that Moses supposes his toses or roses, 0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.600 but Moses supposes erroneously, and that's how I know that 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.200 word and how why I say it all the time. 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:20.080 But he erroneously says it's number five, number five, and 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.080 number five is a fucking cop who's in the lineup 0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:27.200 as a as a plant. So now Sarah bad's for sex. 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:30.520 Now you have this girl taken, and now you can't 0:35:30.520 --> 0:35:33.280 even get a look at the guy's face. You brush 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:37.880 your hand against the vicens, play anything, nothing, just staring 0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.920 at the tattoo. So and he's like, I think I 0:35:41.000 --> 0:35:42.319 might have seen him in the diner. It's like, if 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:43.759 you saw him in the diner, you would kind of 0:35:43.760 --> 0:35:45.600 know what his face looked like. I don't know. So 0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.279 now it's up to Sarah the victim, and either in 0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.879 an office at the precinct. Sarah looks nervous. She doesn't 0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:53.920 want to id this monster. And Sarah Kimmel's played by 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:57.280 Anna Bellknap, who was actually just in a season twenty 0:35:57.280 --> 0:36:00.600 four episode called A Trauma and a Pear Tree, which 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:03.560 I think is the episode where Rollin's and Creasy get married. 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:08.120 But I don't know what the plot of that episode 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:09.880 is because it's in a more recent season and I 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:11.520 tried to find it but I couldn't. But I wanted 0:36:11.560 --> 0:36:13.920 to give you one little fun tidbit. She is married 0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.080 to the man who wrote the Emoji movie. I thought 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:17.520 you would like that because I know you like the 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:23.120 Emoji movie too, so Anna bell Knap. So Sarah is 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.080 telling Munch like, I have to keep my lights on, 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:28.880 like and he's like, oh, we're not going to let 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:30.640 him hurt you. This guy's not gonna hurt you anymore 0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:33.160 or whatever, and she's like, I have to sleep with 0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:35.120 my lights on because I think I see him in 0:36:35.160 --> 0:36:37.799 my apartment. Like I'm twenty eight and I'm living on 0:36:37.920 --> 0:36:40.600 disability because I can't leave the house. Don't tell me 0:36:40.680 --> 0:36:43.040 he can't hurt me, you know. And Munch is like, 0:36:43.800 --> 0:36:47.040 all right, well he might have someone else, like he 0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.760 might have another victim, And that's what kind of convinces 0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.800 her to do it. So in the room at the lineup, 0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:56.960 she gets really upset. She's trembling, but then she turns 0:36:57.000 --> 0:36:59.799 to Munch and goes, he's not there. She's crowned through 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.399 t She's like, he's not there, He's not in there, 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:04.160 which is probably making her scared because that means he's 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.080 still fucking out there. Munch and Finn take her home, 0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:09.520 and Munch is mad because he's like, I didn't want 0:37:09.520 --> 0:37:11.239 to have to bring her in. But I would also 0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:14.880 say that if you guys suspect that this killer is 0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:18.320 back on the loose, you'd put a uniform on her house. 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:21.160 She's the only surviving victim, Like, she's the only person 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.480 that could actually like id him if he does get 0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:27.680 brought in, So wouldn't you protect her? Like he's back 0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.920 in the city where she was attacked, Like, but they 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.080 just drop her off at her house, and Ben Munch 0:37:33.160 --> 0:37:35.279 is pissed, Like, but it's like lighting a fire under 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:37.520 him that they want to get this guy. Finn suggests 0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:41.440 that maybe Taggart's tattoo from Elmo's wasn't as original as 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.000 he thought it was. So now they're at the tattoo 0:37:43.040 --> 0:37:46.040 shop and I'm calling the guy Elmo. It's not his name, 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.560 but the guy who is the tattoo artist at Elmo's. 0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:51.719 He is a huge fan of the tattoo. But he's like, 0:37:51.760 --> 0:37:53.759 but it's not my work. He's like, it's gorgeous art, 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:55.960 but it's not mine. A guy brought it in last 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.440 summer on a sketch and asked me to do the tattoo, 0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:00.120 and he left me this sketch as a bonus, as 0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:02.160 he thought my work was so good. He's like, I've 0:38:02.200 --> 0:38:05.080 done him on a few other people, but I could 0:38:05.080 --> 0:38:07.000 count on one hand how many most people are into 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:10.200 goth these days, he says. And he doesn't. He's like, 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.600 I don't really keep names and addresses of my clients. 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.480 It's not really that kind of operation. And but he 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.520 can immediately describe every single person he's given that specific 0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:19.840 tattoo to a guy with a cat on a leash, 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.680 a woman wrestler, a guy who smells like rotten fish, 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:25.319 and then the guy who brought in the sketch, who 0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.120 was a huge guy with a beard. 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.120 And this is so SVU to me because this guy 0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.040 is like like if I was getting a tattoo while 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.000 someone was being talked to by the police, I'd be like, 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:37.040 you guys could finish your comvo, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.880 But he's like he's like putting it out, he's like 0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.360 getting to work on the I'm like, just take a moment. 0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:48.600 I can't believe the guy didn't complain, like so classic 0:38:48.719 --> 0:38:52.040 s yeah, I understand even lugging boxes or making drinks 0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:56.239 by like actively tattooing, right right, And like I don't 0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:58.160 know who would be like I don't want to hear 0:38:58.200 --> 0:38:59.960 what's going on with the cops in this juicy investi 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:02.719 gation right now, just get my tattoo done, like i'd 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:04.080 be like I want to listen, you know. 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:06.800 But he. 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.560 Says that the guy that brought in the sketch said 0:39:11.560 --> 0:39:16.000 that the Bobcat was like a platoon his platoon's name, 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.640 mascot or something in the service. And this guy truly 0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:21.879 never forgets a goddamn thing, Like he has so many 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:25.200 details about this sketch. And he tells them that they 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:27.280 can take the sketch with him. So now we're talking 0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:29.400 to a tech who does not make as big of 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:33.000 an oppression as like a Bert Trevor. And he's managed 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.279 to get a couple of prints off the sketch, and 0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.399 one set of prints belonged to Elmo and the other 0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.919 belonged to John Doe. And he ran that those John 0:39:41.960 --> 0:39:43.799 Doe prints through the system and got a hit on 0:39:44.000 --> 0:39:47.920 Darryl R. Kern, who was dishonorably discharged from the military 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:51.360 in nineteen ninety nine, right around when the original attacks started. 0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:55.320 So now a whole team is there and they bust 0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:59.000 into this guy's apartment. It's like the full tactical open 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:05.279 up NYPD. They bust in there. This loser's got guns, knives, weapons, 0:40:05.360 --> 0:40:07.360 all this kind of shit mounted up on the wall 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.480 like a little shrine to his tiny dick. And Finn 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:12.239 says something like he's impressed by it, but I can't 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:14.520 tell if it's sarcastic or not. But you know, early Finn, 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.319 they hadn't had they didn't have him fleshed out yet 0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.840 he was like cool guns, Like I don't know. So 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:21.200 they're like, check out his easy pass bill. So now 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.320 we're at the precinct and Munch and Finn are filling 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.479 inventson and Sabler, and this guy basically takes the same 0:40:26.560 --> 0:40:29.040 route all the way, all the time, back and forth 0:40:29.239 --> 0:40:32.760 to upstate New York. Like not the fucking Hudson River Valley. 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.880 We're talking to Utica. We're talking way up there in 0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.319 the top of the state, near the Canadian border. And 0:40:39.800 --> 0:40:42.680 this guy drives a ninety two pathfinder which matches the 0:40:42.719 --> 0:40:46.800 car that's been described for taking Annie. And then two 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.560 days after he makes the trip up there again, if 0:40:51.560 --> 0:40:54.040 you're a serial killer, you're probably not using an easy pass. 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.720 But whatever, I'm again not here to give people tips 0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.319 and tricks. My dad won't get an easy pass because 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.239 he doesn't want the government tracking him. 0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:04.520 So Dad takes your family garbage to the dump. He's 0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:07.400 obvious unhinged. 0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:10.000 But even he in his paranoia and he's not committing 0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:14.360 heinous murders, doesn't use an easy pass. I mean, you know, 0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:17.480 it's so insane. I just got one, my first one 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:20.400 actually as a fuck you, So now I can get 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:24.160 to the airport really quickly. So two days after he 0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.680 takes that route up there, he takes the same route back. 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.239 And they know this because they've got all this easy 0:41:28.239 --> 0:41:31.680 pass record, and they figured out that like seven women 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.640 have gone missing within days of these trips, both like 0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:37.319 the outbound and the inbound trips to New York. So 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:40.399 Daddy Craigan is like, boys, pack your bags, you're going 0:41:40.760 --> 0:41:44.920 up north. So then when we see a car pulling 0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.839 into small town upstate New York, and Munch and Finn 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.279 are bickering like an old married couple. Like Munch doesn't 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.840 like Finn's driving. He feels sick because he was driving 0:41:52.880 --> 0:41:56.160 so bad. And now they're in Walden Falls, New York, 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.239 and boy, oh boy, the locals are pumped. The secretary 0:41:59.280 --> 0:42:02.320 goes chief the detectives from New York City are here, 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:06.279 Like she's psyched. She's like, tell me about Broadway and 0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:08.640 the chief is like, oh, hi, boys, you want like 0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.120 a soda pop or something like this guy is. We've 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.279 seen this man in so much stuff. His name is 0:42:13.320 --> 0:42:16.280 Adam Lefev. He is so familiar. He's got one hundred 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:18.799 and forty plus credits. He's been in three other svus, 0:42:19.120 --> 0:42:21.280 He's been in a bunch of episodes of Original Recipe. 0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.839 If you google him right now, Adam Lefev, like, you'll 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:26.480 be like, he I've seen him in so many things. 0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:28.160 He's just like a character guy that you see all 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:31.600 the time. He's so small town upstate New York police chief. 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:33.839 He's like, oh, boys, okay, let's get going. So then 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:36.040 they ask him about Darryl Kern. He's like, well, I've 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:37.919 never heard of him, and I know everybody in this town. 0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:40.240 And you're like, okay, yeah, I don't think the serial 0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.520 killers that flee up to your town like check in 0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.160 at the precinct when they get there, and then they 0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:48.239 are going to have Officer Cheryl Baxter. She walks in. 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:50.960 She's gonna help them out, and they're like She's like 0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:52.719 you guys want to settle in or hit the gas 0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.080 station first, and they're like, we don't actually need to 0:42:55.120 --> 0:42:57.640 like go unpack at our hotel. We could go just 0:42:57.680 --> 0:42:59.840 get this guy. So they go to the gas station. 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.719 The guy who works at the gas station, he can't 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:06.440 really identify a photo of Annie, but he's like, uh no, 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:09.360 but the guy that you're looking for, he likes to 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.440 hunt because he spent a lot of time over at 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:13.840 Jordie's Guns and Ammo, which is right across the street. 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:15.680 So now they're at Jordi's Guns and Ammo, and the 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:18.520 guy there goes, oh, yeah, that guy that's Arnold Cokeley 0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:22.120 looking at a picture of Darryl Kern. And this guy 0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:27.560 Jordi is being very Cagy, classic gun salesman to a enthusiast, 0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:31.840 you know, like just completely like uh was illegal to 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.200 have guns? Like why are you guys asking all these questions? 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:37.160 And then he's like they're like, uh, you got to 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:40.880 give us his file, and it's like he kind of protests, 0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:42.360 but he knows he's gonna have to, so he just 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:46.400 goes and gets it. And now before sharing his opinion 0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:48.960 that the government is up everyone's ass and it's beginning 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.440 to be like Russia around here, and Munch is like, 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.600 Russia's a democracy now, and he's like that's what I mean. 0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:55.200 And it's like, I don't know if anything makes sense 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.440 that you're talking about, sir, but he hands over the 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:01.719 file on Arnold Cokeley. So back at walden Falls PD, 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.400 Finn is impressed that they have all their files computerized 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.000 because they don't have that at SVU yet and walden 0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:10.400 Falls is like, they probably don't have as many crimes, 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.360 but they're all on a computer system, and then Munch 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.120 pops in with some hot goss. Arnold Cochley and his 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:20.280 wife went missing from Tribeca five months ago, and someone 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.160 is using his ID to buy weapons, which means that 0:44:23.239 --> 0:44:27.080 now the ATF is getting involved, and Baxter tells them, well, 0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:30.080 we have no match for property under the name Cochley 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.960 or Kern, and they're like, well, check the names of 0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:35.279 all the other people who have gone missing along this 0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:38.719 route that we've discovered, right, which feels like there would 0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.200 be way more people missing from New York City than 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.960 just like a couple, like than even seven, but whatever, 0:44:45.480 --> 0:44:48.120 And so we cut to Munch and Finn sharing a 0:44:48.120 --> 0:44:50.200 shitty hotel room in Upstate New York. This is like 0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:54.040 the precursor to when Live in Rollins are having their 0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.000 cute little girls wine night, but then they discovered that 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.560 there's a camera behind the mirror. This is the way 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:01.360 earlier version, and it's Munch and and they are pissed 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:03.200 that they have to be in the same room together. 0:45:04.120 --> 0:45:06.319 Finn is like, God, when I was in narcotics, we 0:45:06.360 --> 0:45:08.520 got cool apartments. I got put up in the West 0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.319 Village once, like when I was undercover. And then he's like, 0:45:11.320 --> 0:45:12.920 then I had to go home to my tiny shoe 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:14.960 box in Brooklyn, and I was bumping into the furniture 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.080 because I was used to the lap of luxury. And 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.640 Munch goes, wow, eight months of the cold shoulder, and 0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:24.839 now I can't shut you up, which is funny, and 0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:27.880 he asks Finn, like, why did you leave narcotics. He's like, 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:29.920 my partner took a bullet that was meant for me, 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:31.719 and it took all the fun out of it. We 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.560 later find out who that partner is when he goes 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:39.600 kind of a little bit cuckoo and start sniping people. 0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:41.760 Or no, it's not even him, it's his daughter. Remember 0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:43.719 it's not him, it's his daughter. They think it's him. 0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:47.680 It's his daughter, and he asks much why did you 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.080 leave Homicide and he's like, well, after my last marriage 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.560 broke up, I came back to New York from Baltimore. 0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:55.439 As we all know, Munch is one of the most 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.799 featured characters in multiple shows. He was in homicide, Life 0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:01.640 on the Streets and which took place in Baltimore, I believe, right. 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:03.600 And then when he came back to New York City 0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:06.399 after that marriage broke up, SVU was the only place 0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:08.440 that had space for him, and he thought it was 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.960 going to be all great, but living victims fuck you up, 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.239 you know. And then he gets a phone call. It's 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.240 Stabler and basically they found out that going through kerrn stuff, 0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:20.880 they found blueprints for a bomb shelter that was drawn 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.759 up by a contractor in walden Farms, New York, in 0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.480 this little town that they're in. So he calls Baxter 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.239 and is like, find the contractor, have him meet us 0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.200 at the precinct in twenty we're burning the midnight oil 0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.759 here in Walden Falls. So when they get to the 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:37.239 Walden Falls precinct, the g sure you bet you a 0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:41.319 police chief is facing off with the Fed and they're 0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:45.279 as usual, two men having a pissing contest over jurisdiction, 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:47.600 and the Fed's like, you're in over your head and 0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:50.200 the guy the they're like, this guy has a lot 0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:53.440 of firepower. And then Munch busts in and says, whatever, 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:55.120 this FED is full of shit. And it turns out 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:57.719 this guy's name is Gus Stone from the ATF, and 0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.400 he's like, step aside. And then Stone is like, you know, 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.440 we have a warrant for Kern's arrest, and Munch is like, well, 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:06.080 I have a lead in a case that could save 0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.600 a woman's life, So who takes precedence. The ATF just 0:47:09.600 --> 0:47:11.880 decides to kind of back off for the moment. Now 0:47:11.880 --> 0:47:15.279 they're looking at the blueprints. The contractor is there. He goes, yeah, 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:17.600 this guy asked me to design a bunker for Armageddon 0:47:17.600 --> 0:47:20.799 and the race Wars, which is I know that there's 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.160 been doomsday preppers for a long time, but this episode 0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:25.560 is from two thousand and one. Like that was pretty 0:47:25.600 --> 0:47:28.000 early to be getting on the doomsday prepping bandwagon, you know. 0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.560 I feel like that was later in the odds that 0:47:30.560 --> 0:47:34.360 that became a more widespread part of like the culture. 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:35.239 Yeah, no, for. 0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:40.200 Sure, but I'm thinking, like everyone every generation thinks like 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.360 their world like the end is near. So I wonder 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:45.840 if people were prepping in like the eighteen hundred or whatever, 0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:50.160 like religious nuts exist, sure, but part of the culture, 0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:51.960 I think, like, yeah, when they started putting it on, 0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.920 like A and E and thel Buckers and like, but 0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.520 now Cold War Cold War people had bunkers. 0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.200 The Mansons talked about the race wars. I mean that's 0:48:01.200 --> 0:48:03.600 what the Mansons were warning about, a race war like 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.120 that was that's been going on forever. It's just making 0:48:06.160 --> 0:48:08.000 a bunker, like I know, the Cold War. 0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:09.680 There was a episode. 0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:14.160 Okay, yeah, so I'm wrong, I guess I just think, like, no, 0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:14.640 I'm with you. 0:48:14.719 --> 0:48:18.200 But yeah, the guys the bomb shelter stuff, I think 0:48:18.400 --> 0:48:20.520 suring Cold war stuff people had those. 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:26.799 Yeah, so anyway, this guy made it for him. He goes, Yep, 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.720 sure did make this total wacko guy a bomb shelter. 0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:32.160 What I did learn is, even if those bomb shelter 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:35.160 people were onto something and the world is obviously fucked, 0:48:35.400 --> 0:48:36.600 you don't want to spend time with them. 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.480 No, I don't want them to be the last one 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:42.080 surviving where they going to repopulate the earth. With all 0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:43.600 the people that thought to make a bunker. I don't 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:47.239 think so, but this contractor goes, yes, I built this 0:48:47.320 --> 0:48:49.520 guy a bunker, and I built it ten miles away. 0:48:49.600 --> 0:48:52.319 So now everyone has decided they're gonna work together. They're 0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:54.719 gonna get all their guys together and nail this sick fuck. 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.000 So now we've got lots of cops in the snowy 0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:01.680 woods surrounding a cabin. Okay, they slam the door, the 0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.640 guy's door open. It's very dramatic, but the guy's not there. 0:49:05.000 --> 0:49:08.560 But then the chief finds a cellar door. Munch goes 0:49:08.680 --> 0:49:12.000 down the cellar steps and done done. In a very 0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.440 very sad way, there is a dead woman lying in 0:49:14.480 --> 0:49:16.880 a pool of blood on the floor and it is Annie, 0:49:16.920 --> 0:49:20.719 and Munch says, kneels down and goes sorry Annie. And 0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:23.480 then they flash their flashlights on the wall and it 0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:28.840 is filled with torture equipment chains, Like it's fucking sick, 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:33.880 and it's just awful because it's like it's possible that 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:36.120 they were hours away from saving her, you know, like 0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.719 it doesn't look like she's been there for a ton 0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:43.799 of time. So cut to commercial on that gorgeous note, 0:49:43.800 --> 0:49:47.120 and when we come back, tons of bodies wrapped in 0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.200 plastic on the snowy ground. The troopers and all these 0:49:50.200 --> 0:49:52.880 people are digging up more. They've already found fifteen bodies 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:57.560 buried in shallow graves, including three kids. They think Kern 0:49:57.800 --> 0:50:00.239 pulled out maybe an hour before they got there, and 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.480 Finn thinks somebody must have tipped them off. So Monch 0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.759 is talking to the Emmy at the crime scene and 0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:11.200 she's pissed. This is like the Emmy up in Walden Falls, 0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:13.800 and she's like, no, I could have gone my entire 0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:16.320 life without seeing this shit that I just had to see, 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:19.200 and you guys brought it to my doorstep. This woman 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:23.640 had contusions, broken bones, bruises, I mean, penetration with a 0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:26.640 foreign object, and then he blew her face off with 0:50:26.680 --> 0:50:29.600 a forty four. So this man is like an absolute 0:50:29.640 --> 0:50:33.640 psychopath who's just like enjoying torturing women. And then they 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:36.400 found something in the cabin that Munch needs to see. 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:40.560 And they find this book and it's like an operational 0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.440 manual and it's but it's been it's like it's like 0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:48.560 a diary almost, and the last entry was dated yesterday 0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:51.800 and it says position compromised as long as the worm 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:57.040 stays in the apple, rendezvous at the extraction point, operation terminated, 0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.360 Like it's written in all this kind of military language, 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.320 but it's hand and like by this guy, they think. 0:51:02.680 --> 0:51:06.719 And Baxter, the woman cop from walden Falls, is like 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.359 he must have had an accomplice. And they, you know, 0:51:09.400 --> 0:51:11.319 they all put their big brains together and they're like, 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.319 the worm in the apple means they're headed back to 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:16.960 the big apple, great decoding, great work back at SVU. 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:20.160 The whole handbook thing they say, is written in pseudo 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:23.239 military speak. And he calls the accomplice is always called 0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:27.120 the worm. He calls himself the Eagle. And essentially what 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.759 they've discovered is that this guy kills. The reason why 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:31.960 there are kids discovered is because he'll kill an entire 0:51:32.000 --> 0:51:33.920 family just to get their credit card to like keep 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.640 going on his little mission here. He killed a plumber 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.800 from Brooklyn for that cabin, so that cabin belonged to 0:51:39.840 --> 0:51:43.760 this plumber from Brooklyn, I think named Ernie. And Craigan 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:47.400 is like this or they say the accomplice must be 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:49.719 an army buddy if this is how they're communicating with this, 0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.279 like he must be an army buddy, so Craigan uses 0:51:52.320 --> 0:51:56.120 his military connects to get them some info. Now they're 0:51:56.160 --> 0:52:01.080 talking to some military guy who's like, yeah, the Bobcat 0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:04.080 like a platoon that this guy was in. They're elite 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.759 special tactical ops. But Kern he spent most of his 0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:09.799 time in the kitchen. And they're like, we thought he 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:13.520 was a weapon specialist and they're like, no, Basically, it 0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:15.520 basically seems like Kern was a psycho who came to 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:18.000 the military because he liked to kill things. And he 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.880 says that the final straw was like, there was a 0:52:20.920 --> 0:52:22.919 squirrel who used to hang out by the mess hall 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.759 and at some point Kern killed it, skinned it, and 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:28.640 then tried to put the meat of it into a 0:52:28.680 --> 0:52:31.640 stew to feed everybody. And he was sent to the 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:35.440 brig for psychological testing and was diagnosed with antisocial personality 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:39.520 disorder and pronounced unfit for duty. And did he hang 0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:42.120 out with anybody? They said, They're like, ah, this one 0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.560 guy who delivered dry goods to the mess hall. He 0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.120 worked out of a company. He worked at a company 0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:51.920 out of Brooklyn. So now they're at Magoo's vending company 0:52:52.040 --> 0:52:55.520 literally what it's called, and a manager tells them that Marvin. 0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:58.040 Oh yeah, he's one of my best guys. He's not 0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.319 working today because he has national goals. And they're like, oh, 0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.319 he's a weekend warrior, and he's like, yup. And then 0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.480 they go, did anyone mention that today's Thursday? Like he 0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:10.040 shouldn't be He wouldn't be working today if it's like 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.480 his weekends, you know. And so the boss, the boss 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:15.359 goes over to some guy and goes, hey, nu'mb nuts, 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:17.279 you gotta smoke a whole pack or finish your run 0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:19.839 sometime today, like because the guy's smoking cigarettes and I 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.040 just I love a guy like this. And he's like, 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.239 I can give you Marvin's address, but I think he's 0:53:24.239 --> 0:53:27.960 in the wilderness somewhere. So they give him the address, 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:30.120 They get his address, they surround his house, and this 0:53:30.239 --> 0:53:33.000 is like the third swatting of the episode. So I 0:53:33.200 --> 0:53:35.759 really have my fingers crossed that this one's gonna work out. 0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:38.160 They knock on the door and just as they're about 0:53:38.200 --> 0:53:40.560 to you know, bust down a third door and old 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:43.560 lady opens the door and she's like, oh, hello, Marvin 0:53:43.640 --> 0:53:45.760 isn't here. He left this morning, are you guys? Friends 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:48.080 of his? So now they're inside talking to this lady. 0:53:48.120 --> 0:53:51.560 She's bringing him tea and she's like, I'm Marvin's aunt Mary. 0:53:51.640 --> 0:53:54.040 His mother died when he was a child. Want to 0:53:54.040 --> 0:53:56.319 know how his father beat her to death with an 0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:59.040 iron because he didn't like the way she did his shirts. 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:04.480 So that's Marvin's origin story. And she's like, he's always 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.120 been a loving boy. And then she goes he's with 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.799 the Green Berets, and we know Marvin is not with 0:54:09.840 --> 0:54:12.160 the Green Berets. He delivers for Magoo's vending, but he 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:14.680 can't tell his aunt that he needs to live a 0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:17.680 life of glory in her eyes. Now she's whipped out 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:21.680 a photo album and she's showing pictures of him and 0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:24.400 they're like, oh, there he is with his friend Darryl, 0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:29.000 and holy shit. The plot twist is that Marvin is 0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:32.959 fucking Marty the good Samaritan who tried to chase down 0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:36.479 the car, Like he wasn't trying to stop the car, 0:54:36.520 --> 0:54:38.120 he was trying to get in it when he was 0:54:38.200 --> 0:54:41.359 running after or like you know, but he did come 0:54:41.440 --> 0:54:43.960 up and go hey, come back here, stop or whatever, 0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:45.600 but maybe it was like all in ask the other 0:54:45.680 --> 0:54:49.120 guy was okay, wow, yeah, And what I didn't recognize 0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:53.720 at the beginning, either about this guy who was playing 0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:56.400 Marty when he was getting questioned or whatever. Is that 0:54:56.560 --> 0:54:58.960 he is the actor Paul Sparks who I recognize from 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:00.919 tons of shit. He's in like thy episodes of House 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:02.800 of Cards. He's the one that has an affair with 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:05.280 Robin Wright pen the first lady in the House of Cards. 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:07.440 And he's in that show The Better Sister that you 0:55:07.640 --> 0:55:10.879 just watched, and he's in Physical He's in like a lot. 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:14.280 This man works a ton. What's the name, Paul Sparks. 0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:18.080 So now they're leaving this old lady's house and Munch 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:20.520 is furious. He's like, we had this guy in our 0:55:21.239 --> 0:55:24.399 precinct and we didn't know it, Like we had this accomplice. 0:55:24.840 --> 0:55:28.240 And Finn gets a call that the state police found 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:32.840 the Pathfinder outside of Walden Falls, and uh, supposedly a bald, 0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:36.560 clean shaven man got out and then carjacked a mother 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.560 and a kid and took off. So this guy that 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:42.400 they've all been looking for, a guy with a beard, 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:47.400 he's obviously shaved fugitive style to you know, avoid detection. 0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:50.080 So back at has Few, they're brainstorming this guy's probably 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:52.920 headed to Canada with these hostages. They're now trying to 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:55.800 trace the phones that Kern and Marvin have been contacting 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.080 each other with, and they can see that they're headed 0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:01.719 to the border, and Munch calls state police, and you 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:03.560 know they're going to try to head these guys off 0:56:03.600 --> 0:56:06.520 before they make it over, or at least Kern, they're 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.400 going to try to head him off before he crosses 0:56:08.400 --> 0:56:10.880 the border. So Munch and Finn are headed back on 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:13.200 the road, but this time they're headed to the border. 0:56:13.239 --> 0:56:13.600 Baby. 0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:18.160 They spot two cars outside of a farmhouse and they 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:21.680 think they can surprise these guys inside if they're there. 0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:25.120 Fourth time of the show, fourth time in one episode. 0:56:25.200 --> 0:56:29.080 Cops are surrounding this place. Okay, they spread out, guns drawn. 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:31.759 It's atf it's state troopers, it's truly all of the 0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:36.240 law enforcement branches working in harmony. They like bust into 0:56:36.280 --> 0:56:39.720 the house and I don't think they're finding anything. Munch 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.640 takes the shed. When he opens the shed, what does 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:48.080 he find our good samaritan Marty slash accomplice Marvin strung up, 0:56:48.360 --> 0:56:52.759 bleeding out, and he's got two cell phones taped to 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:57.319 his shirt. So this guy has been fucking with the 0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:00.240 NYPD and now he's just killed his accomplice to get away. 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:03.799 Munch is having a full temper tantrum. He's kicking shit, 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.080 he's yelling, son of a bitch. He does not like 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.360 being played for a fool, and Finn explains, look, he 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:12.759 still needs that mother and the kid, so like you know, 0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.960 and then Finn gets a call and the ATF is explaining, look, 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:17.960 we've got an APB out for this guy, the borders 0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:20.360 on alert for him. And then Finn reports back from 0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:26.000 his phone call that it's like a freaky, deeky Robert 0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:29.720 Durst like a story. This guy just got busted for 0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.920 shoplifting in Mallory Town. Like you've committed all these horrible 0:57:33.960 --> 0:57:36.640 crimes and now you're gonna get busted shoplifting. It's wild, 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:39.080 but that's exactly what happened to Robert Durst. So yeah, 0:57:39.120 --> 0:57:42.200 So Mallory Town is right over the border, and now 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:46.640 the cops are in Ontario and Cabot is there as well, 0:57:46.640 --> 0:57:48.120 and they're like what are you doing here? And she's like, 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:51.160 I'm here to serve an extradition warrant and Munch is like, 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.240 let me talk to the hostages, like the mom and 0:57:53.280 --> 0:57:56.680 the daughter that they they found with him. The mom 0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:00.400 looks on edge. Okay, She's like, get me out of here. 0:58:00.800 --> 0:58:02.280 I want to get to the hospital when my daughter 0:58:02.320 --> 0:58:06.040 wakes up like I've been through hell. And finally she 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:09.320 tells them what like the details. He had a knife 0:58:09.320 --> 0:58:11.560 when he abducted them. He threatened to kill her daughter. 0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:15.080 Then at the farmhouse where they just were, he asked 0:58:15.080 --> 0:58:17.720 an old lady for directions and when she turned her back, 0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:20.920 he cut her throat. And then the woman says, then 0:58:20.960 --> 0:58:23.240 her husband came running out and he cut his throat 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:26.320 before he could even say anything. So she just watched 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:29.120 this guy murder an old couple that lived in a farmhouse, 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:33.720 you know, upstate in the in a blink of an eye. 0:58:33.760 --> 0:58:38.800 So she's traumatized. Then she says, Marvin Slash Marty showed 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:41.240 up and he took him to the garage. She said 0:58:41.280 --> 0:58:44.240 she heard screams and then Kern came back covered in blood. 0:58:44.680 --> 0:58:46.640 He changed and told them to get into the farmer's 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:49.360 truck that they were going to Canada. She starts crying. 0:58:49.440 --> 0:58:51.040 She's like, he said he was going to kill both 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:53.240 of us, and he said that the police were so 0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:55.440 stupid that they would never find him, so Munch is 0:58:55.440 --> 0:58:57.640 even more pissed about this, like who cares about finding 0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.480 out that there's even more dead bodies? We are furious 0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:02.480 that he thinks the cops are dumb and that he 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:05.680 is smarter than them. So now we're outside chatting. It's Munch, 0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:08.600 Finn and Cabot, and Finn points out that this guy 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:11.320 gutted his partner when he was alive, Like the screams 0:59:11.320 --> 0:59:16.080 imply that this guy was like tortured alive, and you 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.840 know now he's obviously murdered. He might be setting the 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:22.160 grounds for an insanity defense, they think, because that's so 0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:25.040 cruel and unusual. They can't imagine that somebody saying would 0:59:25.080 --> 0:59:28.840 do that, And Cabot tells them a confession would really 0:59:28.880 --> 0:59:31.360 help them with the extradition, and Munch is like, let 0:59:31.360 --> 0:59:32.800 me get a run at this sky, and I want 0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:35.880 to do it alone, So here we go. He gets 0:59:35.920 --> 0:59:40.160 in there and he immediately insults the guy for getting 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:42.800 busted shoplifting. He's like, what are you like an amateur? 0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:47.200 And the guy playing Kern is R. E. Rogers, who 0:59:47.520 --> 0:59:51.360 even crazier than I don't remember this episode is Tommy Callahan, 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:54.440 the cop who gets fucked up on the malaria drugs 0:59:54.440 --> 0:59:57.600 in Goliath and starts attacking people and stuff. Remember we 0:59:57.680 --> 1:00:00.440 just did that episode with Amy Landecker. He was the 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:02.960 one married to her. He's an OZ guy. He's an 1:00:02.960 --> 1:00:04.840 A yeah, and he's an OZ guy. It looks like 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:08.120 he stopped acting a while ago. But I'm just surprised 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:10.840 that I wasn't like, oh, yeah, he's the murderer in Manhunt, 1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:13.480 like you know what I mean. Like, so this this 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:16.600 Manhunt episode is just honestly was hiding in the recesses 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:18.000 of my brain and it's fucked up. 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:22.240 And there's so many elements you know, like yeah, road trip, torture, 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:24.960 missing women, carjack. 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.800 So many swattings, like literally for swattings. 1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:28.480 Uh. 1:00:28.680 --> 1:00:31.440 But Munch is like trying to get info out of 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:34.320 this guy and he's trying to play him right, He's like, Wow, 1:00:34.360 --> 1:00:36.440 it's just crazy. Everybody just wants to focus on all 1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.480 your mistakes, like he you know, he's appealing to this 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:44.160 guy's sense of superiority, this guy's sense of perfectionism, like 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:47.360 that he did everything right. And then he's like what mistakes, well, 1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:49.919 what mistakes And he's like, I mean, you're caught, bitch, 1:00:49.920 --> 1:00:53.080 what do you mean? Yeah, And he's like Sarah Kimmel, 1:00:53.320 --> 1:00:55.960 like how about her? Like you fully let a girl go, 1:00:56.280 --> 1:00:58.320 like one of your victims got away. And he's like 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:00.800 that was Marvin's fault, like he was I had to 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:02.600 go to work and he fucking let her out by 1:01:02.640 --> 1:01:05.080 accident or something. But I kept him around because he 1:01:05.160 --> 1:01:07.320 served a purpose. He's the one that got me. Ernie 1:01:07.520 --> 1:01:11.560 slashed the cabin like, so he confesses to murdering Ernie 1:01:11.640 --> 1:01:14.560 the cabin owner. He confesses to grabbing the koch LEAs 1:01:15.040 --> 1:01:17.400 off the street and then essentially torturing the wife for 1:01:17.440 --> 1:01:19.720 a few days and then killing both of them so 1:01:19.720 --> 1:01:22.240 that he could use their ID to buy weapons and stuff. 1:01:22.600 --> 1:01:25.320 And then Munch just asks him point blank how many 1:01:25.840 --> 1:01:28.320 and he's like, we already found eighteen of them, and 1:01:28.360 --> 1:01:31.280 the guy scoffs and he's like there's so many more 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:34.320 and he's like, well, then, how many And he's like, 1:01:34.520 --> 1:01:36.760 I won't tell you. I'm not going to tell you, 1:01:36.880 --> 1:01:41.520 and Munch minch and Munch flips out because this guy's 1:01:41.520 --> 1:01:44.360 fucking with him, right. He flips out, and he's like, 1:01:44.440 --> 1:01:46.400 I've been one step ahead of you, guys since you 1:01:46.480 --> 1:01:49.160 found the warehouse. Are you kidding? I thought about you 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:51.560 every time I took another victim, and when they were 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:54.280 screaming for mercy, I had a little laugh at your expense, 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:56.840 Like I'm laughing at you right now because you think 1:01:56.880 --> 1:01:59.000 you've won. And Munch is like, yeah, lol, I'll be 1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:02.440 laughing all the way to the electric chair when they 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:04.720 stick a needle in your arm or whatever. But Kern 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:08.720 knows the law. He goes Canada won't extradite on capital 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.640 offenses unless the death penalty is waived. Maybe they didn't 1:02:11.640 --> 1:02:15.400 teach you that at the academy, but it's like, still, 1:02:15.440 --> 1:02:18.600 you're confessing to all these crimes and you're going to 1:02:18.640 --> 1:02:21.080 get life in prison, so that's better, I don't know. 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:24.720 Munch is pissed and is asking Cabin about it, and 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:27.400 she's like, yeah, Canada has gotten stricter about that. They 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:31.400 don't want America killing people, so they're not sending extraditing people. 1:02:31.640 --> 1:02:32.960 And then she's like, why don't you just let me 1:02:33.000 --> 1:02:36.440 do my job? So now ooh la la, we are 1:02:36.520 --> 1:02:39.680 in Canadian court arguing all about it, and a judge 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:42.320 is like, well, don't you think that Canada's just going 1:02:42.360 --> 1:02:46.040 to become a safe haven for absolute psychopaths, murdering freaks 1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:48.400 to come. They'll just run over the border and then go, 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:50.360 you can't let me back if they're gonna kill me, 1:02:50.880 --> 1:02:54.400 you know. And Cabot's like, yes, listen, I totally understand 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:58.960 your constitutional rules. I understand that you guys have this policy, 1:02:59.080 --> 1:03:02.400 but it doesn't apply here. We are not extraditing him 1:03:02.760 --> 1:03:05.120 for murder. We are extraditing him for the theft of 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:08.960 a vehicle. They are extracting him for stealing the farmer's truck. 1:03:09.960 --> 1:03:13.800 And also they could probably extradite him for kidnapping, like 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:16.160 these people, that's not a death penalty crime per se, 1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:20.120 but since the value of the car is more than 1:03:20.160 --> 1:03:23.720 five thousand dollars, this qualifies for extradition under Canadian law. 1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:27.880 And I love when Cabot. I love when she finds 1:03:27.880 --> 1:03:31.120 a way and she's like, so basically, babe, we're only 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:33.920 petitioning on that stolen property charge. And the Canadian lawyer 1:03:34.000 --> 1:03:37.320 is like, give me a fucking break, Like this is bullshit. 1:03:37.360 --> 1:03:39.800 They're trying to circumvent our laws and as soon as 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:41.200 they get him over the border, they're going to charge 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:45.320 him with capital crimes and who cares, right, And the 1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:50.000 lawyer earlier had said something like, I can't speculate as 1:03:50.000 --> 1:03:51.520 to what may or may not happen. And so now 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:54.080 the judge goes, well, I can't speculate as to what 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:56.720 may or may not happen, and he grants the extradition 1:03:57.400 --> 1:04:01.760 take that psycho so that they bring this guy back 1:04:01.800 --> 1:04:06.000 to the US, and he walks slowly towards Munch like 1:04:06.200 --> 1:04:09.280 gets you know. Finn arrests him for the murders, and 1:04:09.280 --> 1:04:12.320 then he gets kissing distance away from Munch, who goes 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:15.880 welcome home, Darryl, and then they take him off and 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:19.400 he thanks Cabot, you know, for figuring this out. And 1:04:19.440 --> 1:04:22.400 then in the last scene, Munch goes to the apartment 1:04:22.440 --> 1:04:25.000 of Sarah Kimmel and he just wants to let her 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:28.400 know that she can turn her lights out tonight. And 1:04:29.680 --> 1:04:30.640 that's dick Wolf babe. 1:04:30.760 --> 1:04:33.080 He truly is the male Marishka. 1:04:33.120 --> 1:04:36.640 I would say in terms of care for victims, he really, like, 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:38.000 this isn't the first. I mean, it might be the 1:04:38.000 --> 1:04:41.680 first of season two, but he like goes above and 1:04:41.720 --> 1:04:44.480 beyond with these cases, and he really cares about them, 1:04:44.480 --> 1:04:47.640 and he makes these he wants people to feel safe 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:49.160 and he goes above and beyond. 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:53.320 Yeah, yeah, I mean he did think that girls that 1:04:53.360 --> 1:04:55.880 were being sex trafficked were possibly part of a Mickey 1:04:55.920 --> 1:04:59.160 Mouse fan club. Remember, But he also I would say 1:04:59.160 --> 1:05:02.440 he has connection. It's like he's very connected to the woman, 1:05:03.280 --> 1:05:07.880 the actress Jennifer Esposito's character, Marley Mattlin's character, this woman, 1:05:08.240 --> 1:05:08.480 like he. 1:05:08.520 --> 1:05:10.919 Has anyone with schizophrenia. 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:12.680 Yes, anyone that reminds him of like a story of 1:05:12.720 --> 1:05:14.760 a neighbor girl back home who he never told the 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:16.680 cops that something was going on with her and she 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:20.880 died or whatever. Like he yes, you know, he's got 1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:23.160 good connections with who he's got connections with, and that's 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:25.720 and he will, I will. I give him that. That's good, 1:05:25.760 --> 1:05:28.560 like cause they give Finn a little bit of that, 1:05:28.600 --> 1:05:31.040 but not totally. They give Stabler a little bit of that, 1:05:31.120 --> 1:05:32.600 but not as much. I think they give the most 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:35.240 to Benson. And the next up is much for sure. Yeah, 1:05:35.520 --> 1:05:37.200 right now, I can't wait for you to tell me 1:05:37.280 --> 1:05:41.280 about how psychotic these crimes are because I have been 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:44.160 seeing these cases that I'm seeing the first one that 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:46.240 you're gonna cover. I've been seeing these names forever and 1:05:46.320 --> 1:05:47.720 I don't know I don't think I know about these 1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:48.000 at all. 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:59.080 Okay, So it's about two cases, and one of them 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:02.320 is like eight things are exactly like the episode, like 1:06:02.360 --> 1:06:06.439 it's really wild, no, like so many little things too. 1:06:07.720 --> 1:06:10.200 And then then the second one is. 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:14.640 Connected because of the gruesomeness and stuff, and I was 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:16.880 trying to maybe split them so it wasn't like back 1:06:16.960 --> 1:06:20.840 to back horrors. But no other episodes have these crimes, 1:06:20.960 --> 1:06:24.240 so we're gonna have to hear both of them at once. 1:06:25.280 --> 1:06:28.160 But okay, so the first one is Leonard Lake and 1:06:28.280 --> 1:06:33.520 Charles ng and they're the two most like infamous serial 1:06:33.600 --> 1:06:36.760 killers of the twentieth century, is what something said. 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:38.880 But it's like, well, we don't know them. Well, why 1:06:38.920 --> 1:06:41.400 don't they have little names? Then why aren't they called 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:42.920 the so and so killers? Right? 1:06:43.000 --> 1:06:45.800 Yeah, it's like these are the most well in terms 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:49.080 of their crime, they're horrific. But it's like, stop making 1:06:49.120 --> 1:06:53.080 these No, we barely know them. I'm sure people listening 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:56.440 do not know these guys. Lake was obsessed with nuclear 1:06:56.480 --> 1:07:00.360 holocaust survivalism, so he moved to a cab in an 1:07:00.400 --> 1:07:04.960 unincorporated area in the in Calvaries County, which is about 1:07:04.960 --> 1:07:07.920 seventy miles northeast of Stockton, if like you're in the area, 1:07:07.920 --> 1:07:11.400 but it's the Bay Area, right, And this is after 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:14.840 he was given a medical discharge after being diagnosed with 1:07:14.880 --> 1:07:18.919 a personality disorder from the military. So Ding Ding ding 1:07:19.040 --> 1:07:23.120 SV it's a military guy personality disorder cabin Honestly, you 1:07:23.160 --> 1:07:25.040 can make a bingo board of the episode. You would 1:07:25.160 --> 1:07:27.800 be yeah, you would have the board filled. 1:07:27.880 --> 1:07:28.120 Okay. 1:07:28.160 --> 1:07:28.320 Yeah. 1:07:28.360 --> 1:07:32.240 So he's also classic in terms of like killing small animals, 1:07:32.360 --> 1:07:35.640 being obsessed with porn, being obsessed with abusive sex. So 1:07:36.200 --> 1:07:38.240 he had like all the makings of a bad guy. 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:41.080 And then Charles was born in Hong Kong and he's 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:45.360 a kleptomaniac. That's I don't know why I keep doing earhorns. 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:46.080 This is like sad. 1:07:46.200 --> 1:07:49.680 But anyways, he is addicted to stealing, and that goes 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:52.200 into your episode of like why would you go steal? 1:07:52.280 --> 1:07:54.840 And he's a coed Yeah, yeah, okay. 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:57.360 He came to the Bay Area under a student visa 1:07:57.520 --> 1:08:00.200 to attend Notre Dame de Demir. I don't know, I 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:04.480 can't say Dinimore whatever. It's in Belmont, California. It's a 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:09.520 Catholic college. He was an academic failure and failed out 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:12.200 of school and then he got a fake ID to 1:08:12.320 --> 1:08:16.080 join the Marines. But in nineteen eighty he was busted 1:08:16.160 --> 1:08:19.720 first allegedly but he was stealing weapons from a military 1:08:19.760 --> 1:08:22.920 base and he went on the run. And so in 1:08:22.960 --> 1:08:26.120 the early nineteen eighties Lake meets up with this Charles guy. 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:29.040 They both had ties to the military, and they became 1:08:29.120 --> 1:08:31.160 an unlikely duo of crime. 1:08:31.520 --> 1:08:33.599 Oh no, some more military stuff. 1:08:33.640 --> 1:08:36.519 So their victims were mostly like acquaintances and people they 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:40.320 met through classified ads. So like Lake's neighbor Lonnie Wayne 1:08:40.320 --> 1:08:42.960 Bond and his girlfriend Brenda Sue O'Connor, and their one 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:46.519 year old son, Lonnie Bond Junior all went missing, and 1:08:46.560 --> 1:08:50.599 then their friend Robin Scott Stapley went missing. They eventually 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:54.320 found Bond's car on Lake's property. And then two of 1:08:54.360 --> 1:08:58.080 their victims were teenagers that attended a school where Lake's 1:08:58.120 --> 1:09:00.960 former wife worked as an aide. And I was very 1:09:00.960 --> 1:09:03.719 annoyed by the New York Times because they wrote about 1:09:03.720 --> 1:09:07.120 this going two of the women were girls, and I 1:09:07.200 --> 1:09:09.559 had mentioned this previously, but it's like, no, no, no, they're 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:11.920 not women, they're teenagers, right, teenagers, right? 1:09:12.000 --> 1:09:12.320 Kids? 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:12.519 Right? 1:09:12.600 --> 1:09:13.000 Girls? 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:17.439 Like we talked about this with sex crimsers like underage women, 1:09:17.760 --> 1:09:23.080 no their teens, their girls stop like fucking helping molesterers. 1:09:23.920 --> 1:09:26.439 New York Times. Two of the women were girls. 1:09:28.360 --> 1:09:31.719 It's nuts teenagers and this is the eighties, I guess, 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:35.240 all right. So they killed the men quickly and would 1:09:35.320 --> 1:09:37.639 dump the remains in a mass grave by the cabin. 1:09:38.200 --> 1:09:41.680 The men were mostly bound, gagged and fatally shot. They 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:44.320 would also kill the babies immediately and any infants like 1:09:44.320 --> 1:09:47.240 they killed everyone, but they would keep the women. And 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:50.240 then they would keep the women though for prolonged torture 1:09:50.439 --> 1:09:53.280 before killing them. And it was a lot of you 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:55.559 can imagine bondage, sadism stuff. 1:09:56.000 --> 1:09:57.280 They held their victims in. 1:09:57.240 --> 1:09:59.639 A remote one and a half acre seer in Nevada 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:03.160 fence compound about one hundred and fifty miles east of 1:10:03.200 --> 1:10:04.040 San Francisco. 1:10:04.439 --> 1:10:05.240 There was a bunker. 1:10:05.320 --> 1:10:08.439 There were three rooms, two of them behind a hidden doorway, 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:12.439 one hidden locked room with furnit like that was furnished 1:10:12.439 --> 1:10:15.040 like a cell with a bed covered with a foam 1:10:15.080 --> 1:10:17.799 pad and a plastic bucket and a roll of toilet paper, 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:22.080 so like grim Grim. The building had a secret entrance 1:10:22.520 --> 1:10:26.040 with peep holes two way mirrors which the police believe 1:10:26.080 --> 1:10:29.840 women victims were like unknowingly being videotaped, but the least 1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:34.280 of their problems. They videotaped them tormenting the women and 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:37.000 then binding the scared women and using them as sex 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:41.040 slaves before the murder, so they incriminated themselves. 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:42.160 They taped it all. 1:10:42.800 --> 1:10:46.320 Yeah, and the jurors this is jumping forward, but jurors 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:49.280 were shown the tapes of one woman pleading in vain 1:10:49.920 --> 1:10:53.040 for the men to spare her husband and baby while 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:55.160 ing cut off her shirt and bra with a knife 1:10:55.200 --> 1:10:55.920 in front of the camera. 1:10:55.960 --> 1:10:56.559 Oh my god. 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:58.559 This is like truly horror movie shit. 1:10:59.000 --> 1:11:00.519 Yeah, and this is jumping out as well. 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:03.160 But like his big defense was like Lake made me 1:11:03.200 --> 1:11:05.479 do it, And then they showed the video being like, 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:06.920 seems like you were pretty into it. 1:11:07.439 --> 1:11:08.240 Oh my god. 1:11:08.400 --> 1:11:12.600 The videotape equipment belonged to Harvey Dubbs, a San Francisco 1:11:12.640 --> 1:11:16.400 freelance video producer who disappeared with his wife, Deborah, and 1:11:16.439 --> 1:11:19.320 their sixteenth month old son. So that's another parallel to 1:11:19.360 --> 1:11:23.040 the episode. They would like murder, kidnap, take people, and 1:11:23.080 --> 1:11:25.280 then take their stuff. So then they used Dub's credit 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:29.240 card to purchase dinner after the family disappeared, and like 1:11:29.400 --> 1:11:31.679 one of the victims of the tape was Sue O'Connor, 1:11:31.840 --> 1:11:34.519 Lake's neighbor girlfriend I mentioned earlier. So like the tapes 1:11:34.560 --> 1:11:38.400 helped them identify victims as well in the future because 1:11:39.200 --> 1:11:41.519 the remains were hard to identify, and so, like a 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:45.160 lot of them, tape ended up helping figure out who 1:11:45.280 --> 1:11:48.000 these people were. They were caught in nineteen eighty five 1:11:48.080 --> 1:11:51.519 because of Ing's obsession with stealing. Yeah, so Lake was 1:11:51.520 --> 1:11:53.519 in the car and Ing stole an item from a 1:11:53.520 --> 1:11:57.000 hardware store in South San Francisco. So Ing escaped, but 1:11:57.120 --> 1:12:00.160 then they caught up with Lake who was in the car, 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:01.960 and then they found a gun in the car as well, 1:12:02.000 --> 1:12:04.280 and like that was registered to one of the missing people. 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:09.280 But once Lake was caught and arrested, he killed himself. Wow, 1:12:09.800 --> 1:12:13.360 he swallowed a poison after his arrest on the shoplifting charge. 1:12:13.680 --> 1:12:16.280 So while in custody, he popped a cyanide pill he 1:12:16.360 --> 1:12:19.840 kept hidden and he died. Yeah, so now he's done 1:12:19.880 --> 1:12:22.200 from the story. I mean, this is like a stone cold, 1:12:22.280 --> 1:12:27.640 fucking psycho. So yeah, he took his own life Cyanide 1:12:28.160 --> 1:12:33.439 who knew so Charles, Uh, but Charles did flee and 1:12:33.520 --> 1:12:36.120 then also Lake was and then on top of it, 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:38.759 Lake was carrying a driver's license of someone named Robin 1:12:38.880 --> 1:12:41.840 Stapeley of San Diego, who of course was missing. And 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:44.760 then they were driving a car owned by Paul Coostner 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:47.679 who and carrying the bank cards of a bunch of people. 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:51.439 So everything was from missing people, cars, IDs, credit cards, 1:12:51.560 --> 1:12:57.200 any guns, everything was registered and to other people. Investigators 1:12:57.240 --> 1:13:01.679 on the property then discovered piles of charred bones, forty 1:13:01.680 --> 1:13:06.840 five pounds of bones, blood stained tools, shallow graves, and 1:13:06.880 --> 1:13:09.640 then a two hundred and fifty page diary kept by 1:13:09.720 --> 1:13:13.120 Lake and it detailed his plan. So his plan was 1:13:13.160 --> 1:13:17.360 called Operation Miranda, and his fantasy of surviving a nuclear 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:20.479 holocaust in a concrete bunker stocked with food, weapons, and 1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:21.439 female slaves. 1:13:22.439 --> 1:13:25.200 So this this was like kind of his dream for like, then, 1:13:25.240 --> 1:13:26.439 why did you kill all the women? 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:31.639 Four law enforcement agencies spent five weeks scouring the property. 1:13:31.760 --> 1:13:35.280 They found thousands of buried teeth and bone fragment. 1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:36.880 Oh my god. 1:13:37.120 --> 1:13:40.280 And then at least four of the dental specimens belonged 1:13:40.280 --> 1:13:43.439 to children under the age of three. NG was found 1:13:43.439 --> 1:13:47.040 about a month later in Alberta, Canada. Again the episode 1:13:47.280 --> 1:13:50.200 after again attempting to shoplift at a department store like 1:13:50.240 --> 1:13:55.719 truly a klepto, Yeah, and he wounded a store guard. 1:13:56.320 --> 1:13:58.920 So he was found not guilty of the attempted murder 1:13:59.040 --> 1:14:03.840 charge because, as like the judge said, since it was 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:07.040 just a shot in the hand, like you couldn't couldn't 1:14:07.040 --> 1:14:09.240 like you couldn't prove that he was trying to kill 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:12.280 the guy, just injure him. But he was found guilty 1:14:12.320 --> 1:14:15.280 of robbery and assault and given four and a half years. 1:14:15.479 --> 1:14:18.480 So they obviously the US wanted to get an extradition 1:14:18.600 --> 1:14:21.639 for him and try him for all these horrific crimes, 1:14:21.960 --> 1:14:27.000 but he fought the extradition for six years and then 1:14:27.080 --> 1:14:31.200 finally the Supreme Court in Canada ordered his return, so 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:33.320 he was finally brought back to the US in nineteen 1:14:33.360 --> 1:14:36.000 ninety one, and Cara covered this in episode so like 1:14:36.640 --> 1:14:39.600 in nineteen seventy six, an extradition treaty between Canada and 1:14:39.640 --> 1:14:42.800 the US was created and that Canada can reject an 1:14:42.840 --> 1:14:46.000 extradition petition if the US does not guarantee that the 1:14:46.040 --> 1:14:50.040 suspect will not face the death penalty, because Canada abolished 1:14:50.080 --> 1:14:54.200 the capital punishment in nineteen seventy six, but he still 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:56.920 was I don't know how they finally did it, but 1:14:56.920 --> 1:14:59.080 he fought it for six years. He was found guilty 1:14:59.080 --> 1:15:02.479 of eleven confirmed but is believe there's like at least 1:15:02.479 --> 1:15:06.000 over a dozen more in nineteen ninety nine. He was 1:15:06.000 --> 1:15:11.479 finally convicted nineteen ninety nine, and I'll get into that, 1:15:12.200 --> 1:15:15.120 but of killing six men, three women, two baby boys 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:18.880 and accused of thirteen slayings. He still denied the crime, 1:15:19.080 --> 1:15:21.920 and his defense argued that he was under Lake's influence. 1:15:22.040 --> 1:15:25.160 But like you taped it and then This was one 1:15:25.200 --> 1:15:28.719 of California's longest and most expensive trials at the time, 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:32.679 costing millions of dollars, partly because the court said, according 1:15:32.680 --> 1:15:36.000 to CBS News, that Ing repeatedly attempted to delay and 1:15:36.040 --> 1:15:40.120 disrupt his own trial. I mean this was hundreds of hours, 1:15:40.160 --> 1:15:43.400 over ten years and over six hundred witnesses. 1:15:45.000 --> 1:15:45.560 Wow. 1:15:45.840 --> 1:15:49.559 Case files filled three rooms, said the deputy Orange County 1:15:49.560 --> 1:15:52.479 Public defender William Kelly. The case was tried in the 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:56.840 OC because of like unfair stuff, so he got it moved. 1:15:57.320 --> 1:15:59.720 He thought all the media attention wouldn't keep like have 1:15:59.800 --> 1:16:02.200 the trial be fair in the Bay Area if you 1:16:02.200 --> 1:16:04.280 were alive during this time or living there or live 1:16:04.320 --> 1:16:05.800 in the area, Like, let me know if you know 1:16:05.880 --> 1:16:07.640 about this, Like if this was on the news all 1:16:07.680 --> 1:16:10.040 the time, why don't we really know about this crime? 1:16:10.080 --> 1:16:13.320 It says, it's so infamous, it's like obviously horrific, so 1:16:13.400 --> 1:16:15.639 many different layers, but it's kind of like the episode, 1:16:15.680 --> 1:16:16.640 we don't really know about it. 1:16:17.120 --> 1:16:20.400 I tried to look up their faces because I wanted 1:16:20.439 --> 1:16:23.639 to see what they look like, and like some things 1:16:23.760 --> 1:16:26.760 call it the Mirandom murders, but like that doesn't that 1:16:26.800 --> 1:16:29.080 didn't catch on, Like I don't think enough people were 1:16:29.120 --> 1:16:30.920 talking about the Mirandom murders, no Rod. 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:32.720 But I'm wondering if people like because it got moved 1:16:32.760 --> 1:16:34.840 down to the OC, so obviously there's a bunch of 1:16:34.920 --> 1:16:37.320 media attention. Yeah, but this is late eighties, this is 1:16:37.320 --> 1:16:39.640 throughout the nineties. Other things took over. Like I'm just 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:42.120 curious if anyone has any memories of this, right, let 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:46.240 us know. So the Kelly guy, the defense attorney, the 1:16:46.280 --> 1:16:49.280 public defender, said it was like at six million dollars 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:52.400 before the case he even got the case, which would 1:16:52.400 --> 1:16:54.720 need an additional two years to prepare in a year 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:58.360 to try it. Whoa ing was sentenced to death and 1:16:58.400 --> 1:17:02.120 currently being held at the California Medical Facility in Vacaville. 1:17:03.400 --> 1:17:07.080 July twenty twenty two, the California Supreme Court upheld the 1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:10.439 death penalty for the guy, but Gavin Newsom imposed the 1:17:10.479 --> 1:17:13.160 moratorium on the death penalty, so as long as he's 1:17:13.200 --> 1:17:19.080 in charge, he will not be murdered. And even decades later, 1:17:19.120 --> 1:17:21.120 there's still trying to identify some of the remains of 1:17:21.120 --> 1:17:25.439 the victims using genealogical DNA. So the bones and other 1:17:25.520 --> 1:17:27.840 human remains were kept in a crypt in a cemetery 1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:30.920 and hopes that modern DNA tracing could help reveal identities 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:34.559 by using DNA databases. So two people in twenty twenty 1:17:34.640 --> 1:17:38.600 five alone had been identified. WHOA, So it's still like 1:17:38.640 --> 1:17:42.040 a current kind of case. So Reginald aka Reggie Frisbee, 1:17:42.400 --> 1:17:45.040 an unknown victim of the men, were able to be 1:17:45.080 --> 1:17:49.760 identified through genealogical stuff like through like you know, what 1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:52.360 are those called where you spit in the thing and 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:55.920 you send it like twenty three DNA testing. Yeah, and 1:17:55.960 --> 1:18:00.360 they were finally able to identify O'Connor as well. Apartment 1:18:00.400 --> 1:18:03.400 set according to San Francisco Gate sf Gate like a 1:18:04.439 --> 1:18:08.719 newspaper thing. This case underscores the power of modern forensic 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:12.320 science and bringing families the closure they deserve even after 1:18:12.479 --> 1:18:15.759 decades of uncertainty. So that that was kind of beautiful. 1:18:15.840 --> 1:18:18.080 But we weren't really know exact numbers of anything, but 1:18:18.160 --> 1:18:22.080 like they definitely killed over twenty p like we don't know, yeah, 1:18:22.120 --> 1:18:24.280 because who knows how they broke apart all these bodies. 1:18:24.320 --> 1:18:25.519 Like it's fucked, It's fine. 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:27.479 I just think the guy should rot in jail forever. 1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:29.880 I feel like Newsome is right with the I mean, 1:18:29.920 --> 1:18:31.920 you know, I'm not even like a death penalty person, 1:18:31.960 --> 1:18:35.000 but it's like you held people in a cage and 1:18:35.040 --> 1:18:36.320 that's how you have to live for the rest of 1:18:36.360 --> 1:18:41.680 your life. Like I think that's I think, yeah, ugh, horrible. 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:43.120 I can't believe there's another one. 1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:45.200 Oh no, this one's even worse, i'd say, if we 1:18:45.280 --> 1:18:46.080 have to compare it. 1:18:46.160 --> 1:18:48.120 But oh, oh oh god. 1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.799 And I actually remember because when I performed in Philly, 1:18:51.840 --> 1:18:54.920 not this last time, but a couple times ago, someone 1:18:55.040 --> 1:18:57.719 was telling me about this crime, and I think I 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:00.679 kicked it out of my head. And so we're back. 1:19:01.120 --> 1:19:05.759 It's the Gary heidnick case and Kara, this freak actually 1:19:05.800 --> 1:19:09.280 inspired the Buffalo Bill character in Silence of the Lambs One. Okay, 1:19:09.840 --> 1:19:11.519 I know there's a lot of different things, but a 1:19:11.520 --> 1:19:14.880 lot of parallels between this guy and Buffalo Bill. 1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:17.200 All right, here we go. 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:20.160 So Gary was a self appointed pastor of a church 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:24.080 so Problems. He created a church called United Church Ministries 1:19:24.120 --> 1:19:28.080 of God, and his congregation met in his home and 1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:33.000 his worshippers were comprised of mostly mentally challenged people. And 1:19:33.080 --> 1:19:35.599 he was known as someone who flashed rolls of money 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:39.800 and like he had a Rolls Royce and a Cadillac 1:19:39.920 --> 1:19:42.080 and like just all this cash and he would roll 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:45.320 around flashing it, roll the money around the neighborhood to 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:48.960 use and mentally handicapped women. And he would take these 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:52.360 people on trips to the New Jersey amusement parks. So 1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:55.760 and he had an IQ of one forty eight. So 1:19:56.000 --> 1:19:59.720 he is like upper intelligence and he's hanging out with 1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:02.439 a g group of mentally challenged people, which is fine 1:20:02.439 --> 1:20:05.120 if you're of service, but like what and you would 1:20:05.120 --> 1:20:07.760 take these people on trips to the amusement park and 1:20:07.840 --> 1:20:08.639 pay for everything. 1:20:08.680 --> 1:20:10.120 And he was just kind of known for that. 1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:12.960 He made a lot of money as a successful investor 1:20:13.000 --> 1:20:16.880 in the stock market, okay, and he was also like 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:20.000 the son of a former city councilman in a Cleveland suburb. 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:23.360 This happened in Philly, but you know Ohio and Pennsylvania touch, 1:20:23.920 --> 1:20:27.000 so you know, he came from a councilman. He's really smart, 1:20:27.080 --> 1:20:30.120 he makes a ton of money in the market. And 1:20:30.640 --> 1:20:32.760 his former wife, one of his former wives, was like 1:20:32.760 --> 1:20:35.120 a mail order bride from the Philippines, so that's also 1:20:35.160 --> 1:20:36.320 like that's like a pretty much. 1:20:36.160 --> 1:20:38.800 Red flag of like you're mail ordering rides. 1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:41.040 And while and a lot of people about this guy 1:20:41.080 --> 1:20:45.120 said he was patient, kind, chatty, but anyone that really 1:20:45.200 --> 1:20:47.800 knew him said the opposite. Like his wife said that 1:20:47.840 --> 1:20:51.400 he was short tempered, often beat and tortured her. She 1:20:51.520 --> 1:20:54.160 went to authorities after a few months of being in 1:20:54.200 --> 1:20:56.599 the country with him, said that he raped her. He 1:20:56.720 --> 1:20:58.599 was charged with a bunch of charges, but the woman 1:20:58.640 --> 1:21:00.559 never came to the hearing and she led the fuck 1:21:00.600 --> 1:21:03.759 out of there. She used aid from a Filipino community, 1:21:04.280 --> 1:21:07.240 like Philadelphia's Filipino community helped her and she went into 1:21:07.320 --> 1:21:12.040 hiding and fled, which, you know, whatever she needed to do. Obviously, 1:21:13.640 --> 1:21:16.080 it'd be nice if he was in jail for these crimes. 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:18.439 I don't know why they needed a witness. 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:21.080 This is very SVU and annoying, but everything had to 1:21:21.080 --> 1:21:25.439 be dropped because of it. Now, all of the victims 1:21:26.200 --> 1:21:30.680 of this case of him, outside of like domestic abuse 1:21:31.200 --> 1:21:32.880 that he did with this wife and he had a 1:21:32.920 --> 1:21:37.600 few other wives, his victims were all black women, So 1:21:37.640 --> 1:21:43.200 I think that also kind of affected how poorly the 1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:48.120 police acted reacted. Yeah, but all the victims were black women, 1:21:48.240 --> 1:21:50.920 and he believed that races needed to mix to create 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:54.519 a perfect race. And his plan was to enslave ten 1:21:54.560 --> 1:21:58.280 black girls and have babies with them. What the fuck. 1:21:58.920 --> 1:22:02.519 So he lured these into his homes with promise of 1:22:02.840 --> 1:22:05.439 money in exchange for sex, and then he would overpower 1:22:05.479 --> 1:22:07.639 them and then chain them in a pit in the basement. 1:22:08.880 --> 1:22:13.160 So he lured sex workers and mentally disabled women into 1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:16.439 his North Philly home, and Philly is nicknamed this place 1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:20.800 the House of Horrors, and this dungeon like basement it was, 1:22:20.880 --> 1:22:22.559 you know, the walls were covered in one and five 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:26.600 dollar bills, there were two mattresses in a portable toilet. 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:29.720 So he kidnapped six women in total, and two were 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:33.040 killed and four did end up being saved. 1:22:33.040 --> 1:22:33.519 In the end. 1:22:34.640 --> 1:22:40.280 So the four that survived were Josephina Rivera, Lisa Thomas, Jacquelinaskins, 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:44.559 and Agnes Adams. And then two were killed, Sandra Lindsay 1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:49.200 and Deborah Dudley ended up not surviving this House of Horrors, 1:22:50.160 --> 1:22:55.600 Sandra Lindsay from starvation, torture, combo, and then Deborah was 1:22:55.640 --> 1:23:00.479 electrocuted and then buried in a New Jersey pot like woods. 1:23:00.960 --> 1:23:02.679 Oh my god. Yeah. 1:23:02.720 --> 1:23:06.160 So Josephina was a mother of three and struggled with 1:23:06.240 --> 1:23:08.600 drug addiction and was working as a sex worker, and 1:23:08.640 --> 1:23:11.439 that's how he got her into the home. Sandra Lindsay 1:23:12.240 --> 1:23:17.200 had who had developmental disabilities, attended his church services. Lindsay 1:23:17.400 --> 1:23:21.160 was disabled, says her sister to CNN, and he prayed 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:24.360 on her vulnerability and desire to be accepted, and she 1:23:24.920 --> 1:23:26.840 would tell her sister about like, oh, I go into 1:23:26.880 --> 1:23:30.480 an amusement park, it's all young people. He bought us McDonald's, 1:23:30.520 --> 1:23:35.160 like she really trusted him to her. He was a hero, okay, 1:23:35.520 --> 1:23:38.360 and then her sister That's what her sister, Tracy has 1:23:38.400 --> 1:23:42.240 said to his CNN that like hero. In nineteen eighty six, 1:23:42.360 --> 1:23:45.000 the day after Thanksgiving, Lindsay went to the store to 1:23:45.040 --> 1:23:48.960 buy some pain meds and never returned. Her family called 1:23:49.520 --> 1:23:51.800 him and he hung up, and they kept calling and 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:54.280 he would keep hanging up. So they started arriving at 1:23:54.280 --> 1:23:56.479 his house and he would deny them entry, So then 1:23:56.520 --> 1:23:59.200 they went to the police, and then the police did 1:23:59.320 --> 1:24:02.160 question him. So then afterwards suddenly a card from Lindsay 1:24:02.280 --> 1:24:05.599 arrived after christmassing. She was fine, and they knew it 1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:08.960 wasn't her, and so they kept begging detectives like can 1:24:09.000 --> 1:24:10.599 you please go in there, and we know it's him, 1:24:10.600 --> 1:24:13.000 and they're like, nope, we can't. So then the mother, 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:16.519 Janet Perkins, files a police report with the police about 1:24:16.520 --> 1:24:19.040 her daughter missing, and the police ignored it and said, 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:19.960 we can't really do anything. 1:24:20.000 --> 1:24:21.800 Your daughter's an adult. Get over it. 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:27.439 Then the Elwyn Institutes of National Rehabilitation Center that a 1:24:27.439 --> 1:24:29.320 lot of the that's where he found that's where he 1:24:29.360 --> 1:24:32.280 would pray on people. It's like a center for the disabled. 1:24:32.800 --> 1:24:36.439 And they kept calling the authorities saying that Heidnik was 1:24:36.479 --> 1:24:40.559 harassing their clients. So you have multiple family members, you have, 1:24:41.439 --> 1:24:45.000 you have this institute saying he is praying on our clients. 1:24:45.439 --> 1:24:49.040 The police refused to do anything about it. Then neighbors 1:24:49.040 --> 1:24:51.519 said they'd complained to the police about noise and smell 1:24:51.560 --> 1:24:55.160 of burning flesh, which the cops say they deny that 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:59.880 anyone ever said anything. The neighbors said they were constantly calling, complaining, 1:25:00.240 --> 1:25:02.040 and the cops said, we don't have probable cause. 1:25:02.040 --> 1:25:03.240 We can't just enter a home. 1:25:04.280 --> 1:25:05.040 Oh my god. 1:25:06.280 --> 1:25:08.880 So Jackie Askins, a survivor, did an interview to mark 1:25:08.920 --> 1:25:12.320 the thirty years since Gary was captured to ABC Local 1:25:12.360 --> 1:25:16.040 six news, and she said he stripped her naked like, 1:25:16.080 --> 1:25:19.080 took her wig off, everything, led her down, handcuffed her 1:25:19.240 --> 1:25:21.519 naked to the basement, and then she saw four other 1:25:21.560 --> 1:25:24.720 prisoners there, all of them chained up. Two were on 1:25:24.760 --> 1:25:27.000 the bed, one by the pool table, and one was 1:25:27.040 --> 1:25:30.240 standing by the window. So the women would come on 1:25:30.280 --> 1:25:32.000 their own, like I said, to have consensual sex with 1:25:32.080 --> 1:25:34.439 him or whatever was going on. But because of their 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:38.439 diminish mental capacity, I don't really know how consensual it is. 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:42.000 And I'm really annoyed that that's the research we do, 1:25:42.640 --> 1:25:47.080 how people frame stuff. But from the Supreme Court report 1:25:47.200 --> 1:25:51.400 that during the sex he would choke them out, then 1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:56.000 while unconscious, he would chain them, and the survivor said 1:25:56.000 --> 1:25:59.559 it was daily rapes and beatings, tortured them. He would 1:25:59.560 --> 1:26:01.559 tell them I have a lot of kids because the 1:26:01.640 --> 1:26:05.080 state kept taking his kids away from him. This is 1:26:05.080 --> 1:26:08.400 according to the Oxygen Network. But like, yeah he had children, 1:26:08.840 --> 1:26:12.400 he did. Yeah, like he had ex wives. He had children, 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:14.200 and they kept being taken away from him, and no 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:18.720 one wanted to be around this motherfucker like a true psychopath. Yeah, 1:26:18.720 --> 1:26:20.720 he had kids taken away all the time. So he 1:26:21.000 --> 1:26:23.360 I mean, I'm gonna go into the details, and it's grim. 1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:25.240 It is what it is. So he wrapped tape around 1:26:25.520 --> 1:26:29.000 their mouths and would drive a screwdriver into their ears 1:26:29.000 --> 1:26:29.760 and would turn it. 1:26:31.000 --> 1:26:33.479 Oh my god, yes to ABC News. 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:35.479 And then he created this pit and he filled it 1:26:35.520 --> 1:26:38.160 with water, and then he would electrically like shock the women. 1:26:38.800 --> 1:26:40.280 And then he would the dead bodies. 1:26:40.280 --> 1:26:42.920 He would dismember the victims and then store the limbs 1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:46.040 and containers labeled dog food and then fed the women 1:26:46.320 --> 1:26:49.120 dog food or dog food mixed in with like the 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:50.280 other human remains. 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:53.360 My god, oh my god. 1:26:54.240 --> 1:26:57.280 And Askins said that she remembers dismembering one of her 1:26:57.280 --> 1:27:01.360 fellow victims that like Linds, each while hanging for days 1:27:01.360 --> 1:27:03.600 with her arms shackled to a ceiling pipe, and that 1:27:03.680 --> 1:27:05.880 her body had to be cut up and like with 1:27:05.960 --> 1:27:07.640 a power saw, and was stored in the fridge, and 1:27:07.680 --> 1:27:11.040 he made her dismember the body and then he boiled 1:27:11.040 --> 1:27:13.960 her head in a large pot on the stove. Oh 1:27:14.000 --> 1:27:18.040 my god, Like minute, I can't there's no words, honestly, 1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:19.920 like no words aren't enough for the evil. 1:27:20.320 --> 1:27:21.200 Yeah. 1:27:21.280 --> 1:27:23.840 So Johnson was put in the pit and electrocuted, and 1:27:23.840 --> 1:27:26.320 then he dumped her body in the forest. And then 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:28.080 when he would leave the house, he would leave one 1:27:28.120 --> 1:27:30.360 of the women in charge, and when he would come back, 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:32.720 he would ask how the others behaved, and if she 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:35.639 said bad, they would get beaten, but if she said good, 1:27:35.760 --> 1:27:36.639 she would get beaten. 1:27:37.160 --> 1:27:37.920 Oh my god. 1:27:39.560 --> 1:27:43.840 So finally Philly police arrested this motherfucker in nineteen eighty seven, 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:46.400 and you're wondering, Wow, how did they solve the crime? 1:27:46.560 --> 1:27:50.639 They didn't. One of the women fucking escaped, thank god. Yeah, 1:27:50.720 --> 1:27:53.679 So Josephina Rivera, she gained the trust of this guy 1:27:53.760 --> 1:27:56.000 and convinced him to let her leave the house briefly 1:27:56.439 --> 1:27:58.719 to like meet up with her family. So he drove 1:27:58.760 --> 1:28:00.840 her to like make a phone call at like a 1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:05.360 payphone to talk to her family, and she fled called 1:28:05.360 --> 1:28:08.400 the cops. He he also thought he had something on 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:11.240 her though that's like where the trust came from or 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:14.040 like what he had over her. But basically he made 1:28:14.080 --> 1:28:17.320 her sign a note saying that she helped kill Deborah Dudley, 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:20.439 so that it was incriminating to her, and he said, like, 1:28:20.560 --> 1:28:24.000 you're not gonna so then he stopped handcuffing her, and like, 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:25.200 you know, all of. 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:28.280 This guy has one hundred and forty whatever IQ he 1:28:28.320 --> 1:28:30.320 thinks that that's going to fucking hold up anywhere. 1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:34.760 Yeah, So basically, like because she helped him and sign 1:28:34.840 --> 1:28:38.599 this paper, he like started being like more chill, and 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:41.960 so yeah, he wasn't handcuffing her. And then March twenty fourth, 1:28:42.040 --> 1:28:45.400 nineteen eighty seven, Phillipe d received a call from a 1:28:45.400 --> 1:28:47.360 woman who said she'd been held captive for the last 1:28:47.439 --> 1:28:50.439 four months. The cops arrived to the payphone she used, 1:28:50.479 --> 1:28:53.719 and this is in the Supreme Court case files quoted 1:28:53.720 --> 1:28:59.760 by Justia Justia. It said she was visibly shaking and 1:28:59.800 --> 1:29:02.519 gave cops the scoop and then they held that's these 1:29:02.520 --> 1:29:07.080 are my words. They helped calm her down and she 1:29:07.200 --> 1:29:10.040 told them that Gary was waiting for her to return 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:13.840 in a car park nearby, and he thought that she 1:29:13.960 --> 1:29:15.000 was just visiting family. 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:15.599 Wow. 1:29:15.600 --> 1:29:18.719 So when they approached him, he said, what's this all about, Officer, 1:29:18.880 --> 1:29:20.599 didn't I pay my child's support? 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:24.719 And then that's the Supreme Court files in justia. 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:26.920 And then when the women were finally freed, a next 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:30.439 door neighbor, Dorothy Zubulka, is quoted in The Times saying 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:32.719 that three of them came running out of the house yelling, horray, 1:29:32.800 --> 1:29:35.720 we're free, We're out, and missus. Zubulka was actually one 1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:37.800 of the neighbors that told police several times about how 1:29:37.800 --> 1:29:40.320 it smelled like burning flesh and that she heard electrical 1:29:40.360 --> 1:29:43.400 saws and hammering in the middle of the night. Warren Henceman, 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:47.400 another neighbor, said he complained about foul odors and that 1:29:47.439 --> 1:29:50.560 the officer who responded to call to the call dismissed 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:53.679 his concern and said, yeah, Okay, it's a burned roast. 1:29:53.760 --> 1:29:54.519 Don't worry guy. 1:29:55.200 --> 1:29:55.920 Oh my god. 1:29:56.000 --> 1:29:59.439 The New York Times ago, it's probably a roast. I 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:01.720 also would like to mention that in nineteen seventy eight 1:30:01.760 --> 1:30:06.840 he was arrested and convicted he kidnapped his ex's sister, 1:30:07.160 --> 1:30:10.880 Alberta Davidson, who had an intellectual disability, and then she 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:14.519 was kidnapped from the institution she lived in, and he 1:30:14.560 --> 1:30:17.559 allegedly raped her and kept her imprisoned in a basement 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:18.280 storage room. 1:30:18.320 --> 1:30:19.160 Oh my god. 1:30:20.600 --> 1:30:25.599 And what and he would and they wanted a convict 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:28.040 him of more crimes, but they couldn't because Alberta was 1:30:28.040 --> 1:30:28.920 deemed mentally. 1:30:28.680 --> 1:30:29.759 Unfit to take the stand. 1:30:30.520 --> 1:30:31.400 Oh my god. 1:30:31.840 --> 1:30:34.080 So then he was in prisoned for four years and 1:30:34.120 --> 1:30:36.040 four months and he was silent the whole time. And 1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:38.799 then he was paroled in nineteen eighty three. 1:30:39.080 --> 1:30:40.439 Paroled. Oh my god. 1:30:41.960 --> 1:30:46.519 So not only was an institute complaining about him, a 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:50.160 mother complaining about him, neighbors complaining about him. He has 1:30:50.200 --> 1:30:52.800 a record, So he has a record of holding women 1:30:52.840 --> 1:30:56.880 hostage and torturing them. Was arrested, and still no one 1:30:56.960 --> 1:31:00.639 in fucking Philadelphia PD would investigate. And you know it's 1:31:00.640 --> 1:31:01.759 because these are black women. 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:07.200 Yeah, like and and it's like the whole thing about 1:31:07.240 --> 1:31:11.559 like letting her go, like uh be with her family 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:14.920 a little bit. To me, it's like this, it's like 1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:17.960 the Colleen standcase. It's like these guys want to feel 1:31:18.000 --> 1:31:22.519 like I have so like so much control over these 1:31:22.560 --> 1:31:25.639 women that they would never go and escape and tell 1:31:25.680 --> 1:31:28.000 anybody about me or whatever, like I have the control. 1:31:28.040 --> 1:31:30.240 It's like they think that these women are dogs and 1:31:30.280 --> 1:31:32.360 they can walk their dogs off the leash. Well yeah, 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:36.040 especially if like you created your own church. Yes, you 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.839 need to be the man in charge and controlling people. 1:31:39.280 --> 1:31:42.080 And then police found twenty seven pounds of body parts 1:31:42.080 --> 1:31:45.680 inside his face. Oh my god, they found a dismembered 1:31:45.720 --> 1:31:47.280 head and a stock pot of water. 1:31:47.360 --> 1:31:49.839 I told you, like, I'm like, yeah, that's. 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:51.240 Very buffalo bill. Yeah. 1:31:51.520 --> 1:31:51.920 Yeah. 1:31:51.960 --> 1:31:53.960 And then you know, they found the women chained up 1:31:54.080 --> 1:31:56.120 with the pits the to where it's bad. And then 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:58.799 so his defense attorney, Charles Peruto Junior, in an interview 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:01.519 with A and E, said Gary's attitude towards the whole 1:32:01.520 --> 1:32:04.040 thing was that he hadn't even committed a crime and 1:32:04.120 --> 1:32:07.320 had a perfectly logical excuse and calm demeanor for all 1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:09.799 the evil things he did. He never had any remorse 1:32:09.880 --> 1:32:13.719 for anything. Prudo Junior did try to make him seem 1:32:13.760 --> 1:32:16.720 more insane, like was helping him out because he did 1:32:16.760 --> 1:32:19.360 not meet the legal threshold of insanity, but he reached 1:32:19.400 --> 1:32:22.479 the clinical and he had this IQ but basically, like 1:32:22.600 --> 1:32:25.360 his fucking lawyer told him, don't bathe don't trim your 1:32:25.360 --> 1:32:28.800 beard and let your mustache grow into your mouth, like 1:32:28.920 --> 1:32:31.599 helping him look more crazy. Yeah, and the judge knew 1:32:31.600 --> 1:32:33.959 it was bullshit and did not fall for it. Lynn Abraham, 1:32:34.040 --> 1:32:36.519 you're a real one. Who eventually became a Philly da 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:39.000 in nineteen ninety one, she realized he was faking it. 1:32:39.640 --> 1:32:43.120 And Miss Rivera, the one who escaped, She said that 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:45.840 he would always say like, even if I'm arrested and 1:32:45.880 --> 1:32:47.559 we go to court, I'm going to act crazy. I'm 1:32:47.560 --> 1:32:50.479 going to salute the judge and I don't even care. 1:32:50.600 --> 1:32:53.680 I'll act crazy for years and they'll throw this case out. 1:32:54.000 --> 1:32:56.639 And that's according to the Supreme Court docs. 1:32:57.000 --> 1:33:00.160 And then the defense had three psychologists say that he 1:33:00.200 --> 1:33:02.720 didn't know the difference between right or wrong because of 1:33:02.760 --> 1:33:06.120 his schizophrenia, and that he thought God was asking him 1:33:06.160 --> 1:33:09.000 to do this. But they had a bunch of witnesses 1:33:09.040 --> 1:33:12.519 who were like, Nope, that's not working. He had a 1:33:12.560 --> 1:33:14.680 stockbroker who was like, no, he was pretty sane and 1:33:14.720 --> 1:33:16.639 normal and would tell me what to do with his funds. 1:33:16.680 --> 1:33:18.960 All the time. Was able to work with me. 1:33:19.280 --> 1:33:21.680 An old social worker testified that in the fall of 1:33:21.760 --> 1:33:26.240 nineteen eighty six, she deemed him clean, safe, calm, rational, 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:30.200 smart while escorting his ex wife out of a hospital 1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:32.000 because she needed a help. So she he was like 1:33:32.400 --> 1:33:34.520 sane enough to help his wife out of the hospital. 1:33:34.920 --> 1:33:37.640 An acquaintance claiming he had been consistently the same for 1:33:37.680 --> 1:33:41.000 eight years. A court reporter who was involved in like 1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:45.680 family court proceedings also said he was a car salesman. 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:50.080 A psychiatrist from his veteran's office, court psychologist too all 1:33:50.120 --> 1:33:52.720 put him in the A court psychologist actually said that 1:33:52.760 --> 1:33:54.759 he was in the top half percent of one percent 1:33:54.800 --> 1:33:58.880 of people smart wise. Wow, but like you said, why 1:33:58.880 --> 1:33:59.479 would you think that? 1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:04.280 Like paper, yeah, like a little contract, Yeah yeah. He 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:06.559 also tried to hang himself in jail by using a 1:34:06.600 --> 1:34:08.559 T shirt from a shower pipe, and he was found 1:34:08.560 --> 1:34:11.559 by a CEO. He was eventually convicted of two counts 1:34:11.600 --> 1:34:14.800 of murder, six counts of kidnapping, five counts of rape, 1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:17.840 and various other charges. He was sentenced to death on 1:34:17.920 --> 1:34:20.920 March second in nineteen eighty nine. And we are against 1:34:20.960 --> 1:34:23.360 the death penalty, but I guess not here because I'm 1:34:23.360 --> 1:34:25.840 pretty thrilled that he was killed by lethal injection in 1:34:25.920 --> 1:34:29.679 nineteen ninety nine. He did not appeal his conviction once 1:34:29.760 --> 1:34:32.599 and did not fight the death penalty, which his attorney 1:34:32.800 --> 1:34:37.200 says points to him being like clinically insane, but I don't. 1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:38.000 Care, okay. 1:34:39.240 --> 1:34:41.760 His last meal was black coffee and two slices of 1:34:41.800 --> 1:34:47.120 cheese pizza. Maybe you are insane wildly. His estrange daughter, 1:34:47.280 --> 1:34:50.200 Maxine Davidson White, did appeal and try to save him 1:34:50.200 --> 1:34:51.479 from execution, but. 1:34:52.920 --> 1:34:53.320 I don't know. 1:34:53.640 --> 1:34:56.920 Askins attended the execution, as did Lindsay's family and the 1:34:57.000 --> 1:35:00.120 Dudley's family, and they said they were all dissatisfied and 1:35:00.120 --> 1:35:02.559 not get the relief that they thought they wanted. That like, 1:35:02.640 --> 1:35:06.479 he didn't look at them, but it was like they yeah, yeah. 1:35:06.520 --> 1:35:08.600 And Rivera said that she wanted him to sit in 1:35:08.600 --> 1:35:11.080 a cell and not get the death penalty. So he 1:35:11.120 --> 1:35:13.600 was actually the last person executed in Pennsylvania. 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:15.519 The victims so. 1:35:15.600 --> 1:35:19.960 Fucked up received a thirty thousand dollars settlement. Oh my god, 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:25.120 what Yeah, you guys did not investigate for years as 1:35:25.120 --> 1:35:26.559 people were complaining, and. 1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:31.519 You got him thirty k. You gave him thirty k. Crazy. 1:35:32.400 --> 1:35:33.479 That's fucking crazy. 1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:36.519 Thomas and Adams were never really able to recover from 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:40.000 the experience. Obviously they deal with mental health and addiction issues. 1:35:40.520 --> 1:35:43.840 And this is from twenty twenty one update from Oxygen. 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:47.320 Rivera told the Philly Inchoir she returned to sex work 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:49.080 after the trial, but she did give it up. 1:35:49.160 --> 1:35:50.479 She gave up drugs. 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:53.720 She's been working random jobs for a while and was 1:35:53.760 --> 1:35:56.679 able to reunite with her children. She lives in Atlantic 1:35:56.680 --> 1:35:59.120 City with her husband. She loves taking walks on the beach, 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:02.400 but she's in She still has panic attacks if she 1:36:02.439 --> 1:36:04.120 sees chains or handcuffs anywhere. 1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:07.120 She has to turn the TV off. And that sounds familiar. 1:36:07.160 --> 1:36:10.320 I feel like that's like something else we've covered where 1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:14.000 it might be Colleen stan actually like that triggers her. 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:17.920 It might I think it was, But that's what I mean. 1:36:17.920 --> 1:36:19.760 Like these women should never have to work again, Like 1:36:19.800 --> 1:36:21.920 they should have all been given like at least a 1:36:21.920 --> 1:36:23.240 few hundred thousand dollars. 1:36:23.280 --> 1:36:24.360 Like I don't understand. 1:36:25.080 --> 1:36:27.920 I don't understand how like these women get out there's 1:36:27.920 --> 1:36:31.880 no victim services, Like, yeah, she still had to do 1:36:31.960 --> 1:36:32.759 sex work. 1:36:32.600 --> 1:36:37.120 Like she didn't. I can't. I can't understand awful. 1:36:39.680 --> 1:36:42.160 And then the surviving women actually wanted to press charges 1:36:42.160 --> 1:36:46.679 against Rivera. Why because they said that like she would 1:36:46.680 --> 1:36:49.680 help them even though she saved them and like was 1:36:49.720 --> 1:36:52.519 trying to survive. They feel like she did things that 1:36:52.600 --> 1:36:58.080 she shouldn't have. But oh, those charges were dropped but 1:36:58.200 --> 1:36:59.839 like that never went anywhere. 1:36:59.880 --> 1:37:00.160 But but. 1:37:01.800 --> 1:37:04.519 I understand where they're coming from. And like maybe she 1:37:04.680 --> 1:37:07.280 was like favored and did or and did do more 1:37:07.320 --> 1:37:09.080 fucked up stuff, but that's what gave. 1:37:08.960 --> 1:37:11.880 Her the ability to get out and get them out. 1:37:11.920 --> 1:37:15.880 They could all be dead, but that's I could see. Yeah, 1:37:15.960 --> 1:37:19.679 Askins still lives in Philly. She cleans houses, she's close 1:37:19.720 --> 1:37:21.559 with her sons. She's on meds to deal with her 1:37:21.560 --> 1:37:25.080 anxiety and trauma, and that's according to a Huffington Post 1:37:25.160 --> 1:37:28.760 article in twenty fourteen. But she has intense flashbacks and 1:37:28.800 --> 1:37:33.439 she cannot enter basements, which makes sense. Ye, Askins and 1:37:33.520 --> 1:37:36.680 Rivera did eventually have a sit down. And if you 1:37:36.720 --> 1:37:39.880 want to see this, it's call it's a show called 1:37:39.920 --> 1:37:43.680 Monster Preacher on Oxygen if you want to see this 1:37:43.800 --> 1:37:46.519 sit down. And I want to say, like I didn't 1:37:46.560 --> 1:37:50.640 include it on purpose, but like like Charles and this 1:37:50.760 --> 1:37:53.439 dude like they were both beat by their family, both 1:37:53.520 --> 1:37:56.920 like insane parents, like not really like a great childhood. 1:37:57.360 --> 1:38:00.280 But I'm really sick about hearing about that because women 1:38:00.280 --> 1:38:02.280 are abused all the time and it doesn't seem like 1:38:02.320 --> 1:38:05.439 they're committing as many crimes. And I think about school 1:38:05.479 --> 1:38:07.720 shootings in the same way we excuse it by like 1:38:07.760 --> 1:38:10.960 they're bullied. They're bullied, they're ostracized, and it's like, so 1:38:11.040 --> 1:38:13.320 are black kids. I don't know, so are women, so 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:17.280 are trans kids, and like for some reason, it's always 1:38:17.360 --> 1:38:22.400 these dudes. It's we always, oh, they're abused, but like 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:23.559 so are not men. 1:38:24.360 --> 1:38:25.680 Yeah, women are abused. 1:38:25.840 --> 1:38:28.200 Women go through incests and who knows if they're doing 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:31.479 other weird shit and manifestations. But it does seem like 1:38:31.560 --> 1:38:33.839 most women that are abused like this that goes inward 1:38:33.880 --> 1:38:36.800 and it's like eating disorders and cutting and like all 1:38:36.840 --> 1:38:39.040 of these things, and so like I'm just sick of 1:38:39.080 --> 1:38:43.880 it being used and even the discussion of like, well, 1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:45.920 you know, a cycle of abuse, and it's. 1:38:45.760 --> 1:38:48.200 Like, but it's not for women, I don't know. 1:38:49.520 --> 1:38:52.200 And I'm sure there's women beating their kids like I 1:38:52.240 --> 1:38:56.160 and not being and repeating it in certain ways it's 1:38:56.320 --> 1:38:58.320 just like I'm kind of sick of it at being 1:38:58.880 --> 1:39:04.519 a reason. Yeah, because Charles's father went to CORE to 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:07.080 testify any Cry and was like, I shouldn't have hit 1:39:07.080 --> 1:39:12.640 my kid. I fucked up. I fucked up. Really, yeah, 1:39:12.760 --> 1:39:14.720 I guess I did the wrong thing. He's like, you know, 1:39:14.720 --> 1:39:16.680 my wife begged me to stop, but I thought I 1:39:16.760 --> 1:39:18.720 was doing the right thing. And so it's like, I 1:39:18.760 --> 1:39:21.200 get that these people are being beat, but there needs 1:39:21.200 --> 1:39:23.960 to be research on why men are more outward with 1:39:24.000 --> 1:39:28.000 this abuse and women are inward because I don't care anymore. 1:39:28.120 --> 1:39:30.360 I don't care if these abusers are abused. I don't 1:39:30.360 --> 1:39:33.720 care anymore. Yeah, it's like tough, I don't know. Lots 1:39:33.760 --> 1:39:36.519 of people were hit and they didn't put screwdrivers in women. 1:39:36.600 --> 1:39:39.599 I put them in the pits and electrocute them. Why 1:39:39.640 --> 1:39:40.200 are you writing? 1:39:40.360 --> 1:39:42.080 I mean this is like we talk about the cycle 1:39:42.120 --> 1:39:44.759 of abuse all the time, and like I do believe 1:39:44.760 --> 1:39:47.160 it's a thing, but this is like, but this is 1:39:47.240 --> 1:39:50.679 like fucking the most depraved shit I've ever heard. 1:39:50.920 --> 1:39:53.439 So and for all these guys, all these guys, all 1:39:53.479 --> 1:39:56.240 the research I did, multiple articles, kept being like their 1:39:56.280 --> 1:39:59.840 parents were insane. They got hit and It's like what 1:40:00.160 --> 1:40:03.840 this is like burying baby's teeth and acreage? 1:40:03.880 --> 1:40:04.559 What are we like? 1:40:04.680 --> 1:40:07.240 I don't under I don't know. I'm like I'm just 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:10.720 kind of over it. I'm overhearing about how sad these 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:15.000 bullied and abused boys are. Like I don't know. Yeah, 1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:23.080 and fuck the Philly police. Fuck that's I mean, so fucked. Oh, 1:40:23.120 --> 1:40:27.000 I'm like shivering. This was like so gross. It's probably 1:40:27.000 --> 1:40:28.800 the most horrific, and like that's why I get why 1:40:28.840 --> 1:40:30.760 they're like these are the most infamous crimes and like 1:40:30.840 --> 1:40:33.280 really bad. But I don't know, I just want like research. 1:40:33.320 --> 1:40:35.840 Maybe I'll talk to my niece about this. She's doing 1:40:35.920 --> 1:40:38.400 some forensic psych I don't know. I'm like a noise 1:40:38.560 --> 1:40:39.439 get her on the pod. 1:40:42.120 --> 1:40:45.240 Well, we don't have a guest for today's episode, so 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:55.680 we can go right into the post mortem. Well this 1:40:55.840 --> 1:40:56.519 is terrible. 1:40:57.040 --> 1:41:01.559 Yeah, any episode in SVU that is man up, man down, 1:41:01.640 --> 1:41:04.519 manhunt mand it's not gonna be good if. 1:41:04.439 --> 1:41:06.519 There's a Sorry, we didn't even have a guest to 1:41:06.560 --> 1:41:09.160 cleanse the palette for this one. We're just going straight 1:41:09.479 --> 1:41:15.599 from horrific, horrific crimes to our post mortem, where I mean, 1:41:16.080 --> 1:41:19.400 oh god, I'm like, I think. 1:41:19.600 --> 1:41:24.480 The darkness that exists in people and how the authorities 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:26.360 and the powers that be allow it. 1:41:27.080 --> 1:41:29.000 Yeah, I think that's what stuff listen. 1:41:29.080 --> 1:41:31.559 Am I embarrassed that I got into some Instagram debates 1:41:31.960 --> 1:41:35.280 recently about the man versus Bear? Yes, but I would 1:41:35.400 --> 1:41:39.919 like to say, now, this is our episode two thirty nine. Okay, 1:41:40.600 --> 1:41:43.840 how many of our episodes was it a woman perportrator? 1:41:45.800 --> 1:41:49.400 Under ten? I would say probably five mm hmm. 1:41:51.240 --> 1:41:53.360 I just don't get matter, like you're a logical A 1:41:53.400 --> 1:41:55.439 bear's all bad. It's just some men, And I'm like, 1:41:55.600 --> 1:41:59.000 I don't, like, you must be just fucking with us, 1:41:59.320 --> 1:42:01.200 Like I don't know how you hear about the Giselle 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:04.719 Pellow cook case and are like that's it, Like, yeah, 1:42:04.800 --> 1:42:06.640 what more is there to argue when you have the 1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:08.120 whole ti How do you say it's some men when 1:42:08.160 --> 1:42:09.840 it was the whole town. 1:42:11.040 --> 1:42:13.559 It's not all men, but it's only men, like it's 1:42:13.680 --> 1:42:15.479 never a woman. That's Like, I wonder what it would 1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:17.800 be like to just like torture a person and keep 1:42:17.800 --> 1:42:20.200 them in a fucking tiny little box under my bed 1:42:20.240 --> 1:42:22.840 and like you know, do all this shit and feed 1:42:22.880 --> 1:42:25.600 them their own poop or whatever, like it's never a 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:28.600 woman that's like, let's do that, you know, or. 1:42:28.680 --> 1:42:31.439 They're just getting away with it more like I don't know, 1:42:31.560 --> 1:42:34.240 but it just I just like I don't get. But 1:42:34.280 --> 1:42:36.200 I also don't get why dudes have been so obsessed 1:42:36.240 --> 1:42:38.600 with like wanting to be alone in the woods. And 1:42:38.640 --> 1:42:40.680 then one guy was like, I don't understand how the 1:42:40.720 --> 1:42:45.280 woods makes it any more or less dangerous, Like just no, 1:42:45.479 --> 1:42:47.800 I don't know. I have to stop wasting my time. 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:50.320 But I was just curious. I'm like, all the crimes 1:42:50.360 --> 1:42:56.000 that we like cover rarely a woman. I'm thinking, you know, 1:42:56.880 --> 1:42:59.679 the moms that let their like children die in New York, 1:43:01.720 --> 1:43:04.080 like in cages and stuff like that. 1:43:04.120 --> 1:43:05.320 I'm thinking of those women. 1:43:05.560 --> 1:43:08.840 Kameelian Woman is based on Eileen Warno's but still she 1:43:09.080 --> 1:43:11.880 was you know, it seems like she was mostly acting 1:43:11.880 --> 1:43:12.559 in self defense. 1:43:12.600 --> 1:43:14.960 There were some couples. There's couples. 1:43:15.200 --> 1:43:19.000 Yeah, there was the woman that set up the double catfish, 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:20.799 but that wasn't even you know. 1:43:21.120 --> 1:43:24.920 There was Casey Novak and her friends doing what they 1:43:24.960 --> 1:43:28.200 want with the male d We even cover it. We 1:43:28.240 --> 1:43:32.919 didn't even cover it. Yeah, we've done that one we did. Yeah. Yeah, 1:43:33.080 --> 1:43:37.519 Amelia Chase episode good. Okay, no, there's so many, but yeah, 1:43:37.600 --> 1:43:40.080 it's under ten for sure, and like it's and you 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:43.240 know it's it is just it's a wild statistic that 1:43:43.400 --> 1:43:46.040 they keep fighting against. But but then. 1:43:45.920 --> 1:43:48.720 Saying how they're logical, Like that's what's annoying too. It's 1:43:48.760 --> 1:43:50.800 like all not being able to see things outside their 1:43:51.080 --> 1:43:54.200 outside their perspectives. And it's also I'm an idiot for 1:43:54.240 --> 1:43:56.920 fighting online, and they're probably idiots for also doing the 1:43:56.960 --> 1:43:59.120 same thing. So I don't know who I'm talking to, 1:43:59.360 --> 1:44:01.600 but it is this thing of like why wouldn't it 1:44:01.600 --> 1:44:04.200 be logical if you know men are dangerous, wouldn't it 1:44:04.240 --> 1:44:06.040 be logical to watch your fucking back? 1:44:06.240 --> 1:44:06.680 I don't know. 1:44:07.320 --> 1:44:11.320 Also, though every man can really only speak for himself, 1:44:11.840 --> 1:44:14.439 like every man can only say I would never do that. 1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:17.120 You know, you can only go I'm a good guy whatever. 1:44:17.760 --> 1:44:20.240 But when guys like start to speak for their friends 1:44:20.400 --> 1:44:22.040 or like none of my friends would do that, it's 1:44:22.040 --> 1:44:24.519 like you don't fucking know that. I mean, like, I know, 1:44:24.600 --> 1:44:28.040 Promising Young Woman is like a movie, but like you 1:44:28.040 --> 1:44:31.240 know bo Burnham's characters the Night is a nice guy, 1:44:31.640 --> 1:44:33.680 you know, like probably none of his friends ever thought 1:44:33.680 --> 1:44:34.160 that you know, the. 1:44:34.160 --> 1:44:36.320 Whole thing with the Pellicoat case to where it's like 1:44:37.240 --> 1:44:39.840 there are people that showed up and didn't participate, or 1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:42.160 they saw the messages on the message board and didn't 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:44.960 go but knew it was happening and still didn't alert 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:49.240 any authorities. So it's like, what is a good person 1:44:50.200 --> 1:44:52.799 watching a rape is considered good and not helping? 1:44:52.880 --> 1:44:53.240 I don't know. 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:55.839 And then one guy was like talking about polar bears 1:44:55.840 --> 1:44:57.880 and surviving polar bear or something, and I go, well, 1:44:57.880 --> 1:45:00.160 now I know you're a fucking idiot. I'm like, if 1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:02.960 a polar bear finds you, you're done. Yeah, Like I 1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:06.479 know the bear laws? Why good night, right, that's the bear. 1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:07.280 The bear laws. 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:09.760 No, But it's like, yeah, I don't want to be 1:45:09.800 --> 1:45:11.800 mulled by a bear for sure, but I feel like 1:45:12.080 --> 1:45:14.439 maybe if I stand still or look down or like 1:45:14.600 --> 1:45:16.040 you know, it might sniff me and leave. 1:45:16.120 --> 1:45:17.080 Like wild Boys. 1:45:17.479 --> 1:45:20.680 Steve O had honey and marshmallows on his nipples and 1:45:20.720 --> 1:45:22.600 a but and a bear came and ate all that 1:45:22.680 --> 1:45:26.000 and licked him and did one chomp. But like Steve 1:45:26.040 --> 1:45:28.160 O is fine, you know what I mean? 1:45:28.479 --> 1:45:32.080 Yeah, So I just I don't want I don't think 1:45:32.120 --> 1:45:35.479 I can take a bear, that's not the thing. But 1:45:35.520 --> 1:45:37.879 you're gonna take your chances with the bear because. 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:41.160 If you ignore a guy, then it's like, why didn't 1:45:41.160 --> 1:45:44.640 you say hi to me? And then it's like and 1:45:44.680 --> 1:45:46.240 then people would be like, well, why were you alone 1:45:46.280 --> 1:45:50.360 in the woods, And that's what's annoying too. Yeah, but 1:45:50.439 --> 1:45:54.080 bear mace works on both men and bears, So it's like, 1:45:54.120 --> 1:45:55.280 who do you want a bear mace? 1:45:55.400 --> 1:45:58.960 More so if I have bear Mason, I'm ready. 1:45:59.400 --> 1:46:02.480 I don't know, I don't know what bears like revenge, 1:46:02.800 --> 1:46:05.360 but I think I'd rather be mauled by a bear. 1:46:05.400 --> 1:46:07.639 I think I'm like if the this is the because 1:46:08.160 --> 1:46:11.080 I'd rather be mauled by a bear than hunting ground, 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:14.000 be kept in a cabin and be sent out in 1:46:14.000 --> 1:46:18.479 the woods and darted and like sexually, yeah, like I 1:46:18.520 --> 1:46:20.640 don't want to be Colleen Stand. I would rather be 1:46:20.720 --> 1:46:23.479 eaten by a bear than Colleen Stand. And I'd rather 1:46:23.520 --> 1:46:27.800 take my chance as being mauled by a bear. Yeah yeah, 1:46:27.880 --> 1:46:30.760 And that's and that's your right and that's my right. 1:46:30.800 --> 1:46:32.760 And that proves another point where it's like, oh, you 1:46:32.800 --> 1:46:35.040 don't accept a woman's answers, got it? 1:46:35.720 --> 1:46:37.680 You guys are stupid. Let me explain to you why 1:46:37.720 --> 1:46:40.360 you're wrong about how you feel about your own safety. 1:46:40.600 --> 1:46:41.960 Such a fun and then I kept being like, but 1:46:42.000 --> 1:46:43.839 this is the game. Would you rather have no elbows 1:46:43.880 --> 1:46:44.439 or no knees? 1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:47.960 It's like we yeah, you don't want either, but like, 1:46:48.120 --> 1:46:49.080 this is the game. 1:46:49.200 --> 1:46:52.080 Why are you all desperate? I don't know it so frustrating. 1:46:52.200 --> 1:46:53.679 No hellbos are no knees. 1:46:53.800 --> 1:46:57.280 Jesus, all right, well wait, I also have a brad 1:46:58.080 --> 1:47:01.200 I forgot someone gifted me a la boo boo. 1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:04.800 Uh I got one for Rosie? Did I tell you no? 1:47:04.880 --> 1:47:06.120 But you know how I was like, I don't even 1:47:06.120 --> 1:47:08.200 want one, and then the moment it came into my arms, 1:47:08.240 --> 1:47:10.080 I went, this is the greatest stay of of. 1:47:10.000 --> 1:47:11.920 Course, I knew you would want a lak boo boo 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:14.400 the minute, like just the whole thing about them. Like 1:47:14.720 --> 1:47:17.200 so I was like, so, Rosie's been asking me forever 1:47:17.320 --> 1:47:19.200 to get her one, and I was like, I'm not, 1:47:19.360 --> 1:47:21.719 I'm not, But I did go on PopMart I created account. 1:47:21.800 --> 1:47:24.000 I said, notify me when they come on sale. Whenever 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:25.680 they go on sale, they're gone in three seconds, like 1:47:25.720 --> 1:47:27.760 you know, the whole drill. And then in the mom group. 1:47:27.840 --> 1:47:30.200 Somebody just goes, oh, this place in uh, this place, 1:47:30.400 --> 1:47:33.400 this store Japanese like toy store has one, and I 1:47:33.439 --> 1:47:34.680 went and they just had a ton of them, and 1:47:34.680 --> 1:47:35.960 I was like, great, give me one of those. And 1:47:36.000 --> 1:47:37.960 they were like marked up like twice what they are 1:47:37.960 --> 1:47:40.040 on the internet, but still not crazy, like I think 1:47:40.080 --> 1:47:41.920 I spent sixty bucks. It was her end of the 1:47:42.000 --> 1:47:47.280 year kindergarten graduation gift and she was gagged when she 1:47:47.360 --> 1:47:49.720 got it. I mean she was so excited. She got 1:47:49.760 --> 1:47:53.439 the little sea salt coconut. It's like a little like 1:47:53.560 --> 1:47:56.920 light gray light bluey kind of color. Yeah, and she 1:47:57.520 --> 1:48:00.519 loves it so much. Which one did you get? Why 1:48:00.560 --> 1:48:03.080 didn't open my box yet? I want to tape it. 1:48:03.200 --> 1:48:05.200 So I brought it home and now I've been home 1:48:05.240 --> 1:48:07.080 for like a day and a half. 1:48:06.760 --> 1:48:08.679 And so I'm gonna open it. 1:48:09.000 --> 1:48:09.200 Yeah. 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:12.519 I want to create content. I gotta make vide Yeah, no, 1:48:12.560 --> 1:48:17.200 I'm because I also in Atlanta, this cute girl. So 1:48:17.280 --> 1:48:20.280 the store is called Sister and Roswell and it's like 1:48:20.360 --> 1:48:22.200 really fun stuff and I want to make a video 1:48:22.240 --> 1:48:24.080 with all the things they gave me. Like some our 1:48:24.120 --> 1:48:27.960 listeners just know us like a sticky note that looks 1:48:28.000 --> 1:48:28.800 like Ravioli. 1:48:29.200 --> 1:48:30.840 Yeah, I mean I can't. 1:48:31.040 --> 1:48:34.400 I can't even I can't. Just it's like so fucking 1:48:34.520 --> 1:48:37.280 cute when you post your unboxing vie and then. 1:48:37.160 --> 1:48:40.400 My sard my sardine fucking candle. This is the third one. 1:48:40.400 --> 1:48:42.080 I'm like, so easy to shop for. People will not 1:48:42.120 --> 1:48:46.799 stop getting me the streaming candles. And if you're Marishka's pr, 1:48:47.360 --> 1:48:49.960 we have a word with you. How dare she do 1:48:50.080 --> 1:48:53.000 call her dad? How dam how dare I? 1:48:53.120 --> 1:48:57.680 Just like, I look, I respect everybody's everybody is like, 1:48:58.960 --> 1:49:01.640 you know, I'm not I'm not saying I don't like 1:49:01.760 --> 1:49:04.400 that podcaster because I don't know her very well, but like, 1:49:04.520 --> 1:49:07.160 what is the like secret thing about her that everybody's 1:49:07.200 --> 1:49:09.320 so obsessed with? Like is she so good of an interviewer? 1:49:10.280 --> 1:49:10.640 I don't know. 1:49:10.760 --> 1:49:13.200 Jane Fonda said she was a great interviewer. I have 1:49:13.280 --> 1:49:15.679 no idea. I mean, she is very hot. I don't 1:49:15.880 --> 1:49:18.240 I was not a part of the journey and that 1:49:18.320 --> 1:49:22.040 I didn't have Spotify, so I've never like able to 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:24.160 get to it. Even though she has such good guests 1:49:24.200 --> 1:49:26.519 and I want them, and she's built an empire. 1:49:26.560 --> 1:49:29.120 I mean, listen to get a hill. It's such a 1:49:29.160 --> 1:49:32.120 smart business woman. But like I've seen some clips of interviews, 1:49:32.160 --> 1:49:35.760 and I guess it's like she asks people she wears sweatpants, 1:49:35.840 --> 1:49:39.160 what's your favorite sex position? And people like that because 1:49:39.160 --> 1:49:40.880 that's not always what you get in an interview. But 1:49:40.920 --> 1:49:43.920 that's also it's understood she's gonna ask questions like that, 1:49:44.160 --> 1:49:45.599 you know what I mean. So it's not the same 1:49:45.640 --> 1:49:49.080 as like if like Fallon asks you what your favorite sex? 1:49:49.360 --> 1:49:51.280 Yeah. She I think she disarms people. 1:49:51.439 --> 1:49:54.200 Maybe it's like Howard Stern vibes or she's able to 1:49:54.320 --> 1:49:57.839 like get people to spill and be vulnerable about things. 1:49:57.960 --> 1:50:00.360 And then I read an interview with her and like 1:50:01.040 --> 1:50:04.120 if a celebrity says certain things are off limits, they 1:50:04.160 --> 1:50:07.880 just won't have them on. Yeah, so you know you 1:50:07.960 --> 1:50:09.880 have to be like down, And I think it's like 1:50:09.960 --> 1:50:12.200 comfortable and she's in I. 1:50:12.120 --> 1:50:15.280 Will say, I will say I was thinking about it, 1:50:15.320 --> 1:50:17.120 and I think that, like I think she's gonna go 1:50:17.120 --> 1:50:18.800 on call her daddy and talk a lot more about 1:50:18.840 --> 1:50:21.160 like her life and like let's go like her mom 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:23.439 and the doc and everything, and that if she was 1:50:23.479 --> 1:50:26.240 to come on our pod, it would be more SVU centric. 1:50:26.360 --> 1:50:28.800 So I do think we would get conversation out of 1:50:28.800 --> 1:50:32.000 her that would be different. Yeah, yeah, let me go 1:50:32.040 --> 1:50:32.840 to AMDB pro. 1:50:33.040 --> 1:50:38.160 Who the fuck do we need to talk to where 1:50:38.240 --> 1:50:39.000 we could help people? 1:50:39.080 --> 1:50:42.679 Okay, quick postmortem though of this episode. I do think 1:50:43.200 --> 1:50:45.479 we need to be a little bit more paying attention 1:50:45.680 --> 1:50:48.120 to the kids that are torturing and killing animals. I mean, 1:50:48.240 --> 1:50:50.840 like every single serial killer we've been talking about lately, 1:50:50.880 --> 1:50:54.280 it's like killing animals young, killing animals young, Like, let's 1:50:54.320 --> 1:50:57.679 get them immediately into an intensive treatment program. 1:50:57.840 --> 1:51:01.519 Yeah, Michelle Obama, you know you you raise your daughters 1:51:01.520 --> 1:51:03.680 and love your boys. That's what she said, and you 1:51:03.680 --> 1:51:08.000 need to start raising your boys. Yeah, start raising your boys. Yeah, 1:51:08.080 --> 1:51:11.360 stop excusing this crazy behavior and not expecting them to 1:51:11.400 --> 1:51:14.439 do anything while your eldest daughters are out there like 1:51:15.240 --> 1:51:17.040 hanging clothes on the clothesline. 1:51:17.400 --> 1:51:23.559 Not happening with me, baby, It ends with me. But anyway, 1:51:23.720 --> 1:51:27.320 obviously horrific episode. Don't partner up with a psychopath. He's 1:51:27.360 --> 1:51:30.040 probably gonna kill you. I don't know any other takeaways 1:51:30.600 --> 1:51:33.800 before we hop into our what would sister peg and. 1:51:33.800 --> 1:51:35.920 I think we learned this with the Long Island Killer too, 1:51:36.080 --> 1:51:38.320 the Go Go Beach or whatnot. But it's like, I 1:51:38.360 --> 1:51:42.200 don't know, if you think your loved one is missing 1:51:42.600 --> 1:51:45.479 and dead, you really got to fight the cops. 1:51:45.520 --> 1:51:47.479 It's the only way. Maybe you have to push. 1:51:47.520 --> 1:51:49.760 You have to push, You have to push, you have 1:51:49.800 --> 1:51:51.840 to bother them because they don't want to do work, 1:51:51.920 --> 1:51:53.640 they don't want to look into you, and if they 1:51:53.680 --> 1:51:56.919 don't value you because you X, Y and Z whatever 1:51:57.680 --> 1:52:01.679 whatever the bias they have, Like it's because of people's 1:52:01.720 --> 1:52:04.720 loved ones bothering and bothering and bothering and then this 1:52:04.760 --> 1:52:07.519 woman escaping, like they don't even that's they don't even 1:52:07.520 --> 1:52:10.280 do police work. Like how often also on this podcast 1:52:10.320 --> 1:52:13.360 where we're like and a tip came in, this person 1:52:13.439 --> 1:52:16.840 confessed or like they ended up this or this person escaped, 1:52:16.880 --> 1:52:20.400 Like it's like they don't even do police work. It's yeah, 1:52:20.439 --> 1:52:23.360 except like the one that's based on the Robin Williams, 1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:26.640 like that guy he really cared but then but the 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:30.280 but the guy went free, Yeah, because they couldn't charge you. 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:31.880 I mean, it's just like it's frustrating. 1:52:31.880 --> 1:52:34.320 You know my advice, listen to our podcast, but don't 1:52:34.360 --> 1:52:36.280 pay attention to the worlds and you're life. We'll be 1:52:36.320 --> 1:52:39.360 better honestly, that would be my number one thing for 1:52:39.439 --> 1:52:40.080 mental health. 1:52:40.560 --> 1:52:41.400 Oh my god. 1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:43.599 I yeah, I have like not been able to really 1:52:43.640 --> 1:52:46.280 look at my phone lately. That's probably why I did 1:52:46.280 --> 1:52:47.880 not see Crypto Murder House. 1:52:48.040 --> 1:52:50.599 Yeah, but someone said that the pot has gotten too 1:52:50.640 --> 1:52:52.280 much for them, but they listened to the intros. 1:52:52.320 --> 1:52:56.559 I go, great, get your joy, Get your joy, babes, 1:52:56.960 --> 1:53:00.880 get it, get it all right, let's go to what 1:53:00.920 --> 1:53:03.679 would mister Peg Do? This is our weekly segment where 1:53:03.720 --> 1:53:07.480 we direct you to a book, an article, an organization, 1:53:08.000 --> 1:53:10.000 a doc something to give you more info about what 1:53:10.000 --> 1:53:13.600 we talked about in today's episode. And this week for WWSPD, 1:53:13.720 --> 1:53:16.960 we wanted to point you to the Oxygen documentary series 1:53:16.960 --> 1:53:19.439 that Lisa mentioned I think a few times in her research. 1:53:19.720 --> 1:53:22.040 It's called Manifesto of a Serial Killer. It's a three 1:53:22.120 --> 1:53:27.360 part series that does a full investigation into Leonard Lake 1:53:27.400 --> 1:53:31.679 and Charles ng And unfortunately I couldn't find it actually 1:53:31.720 --> 1:53:33.800 on Oxygen, like there were only previews for it, but 1:53:33.840 --> 1:53:36.639 it's on Peacock. So for anybody who wants to learn 1:53:36.680 --> 1:53:39.360 more about this truly disturbing case, you can head over 1:53:39.479 --> 1:53:42.000 to Peacock. I believe it also might be on Apple, 1:53:42.040 --> 1:53:44.479 But we are linking to Peacock in our show notes 1:53:44.520 --> 1:53:48.360 and we will link to it in our stories and 1:53:48.360 --> 1:53:51.799 those get saved in our WWSPD highlights on our Instagram page, 1:53:51.800 --> 1:53:53.800 which is that s Messed Up Pod. 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