1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Ron and Nannian Glibal car repair in the next two 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: to five years, because it's coming quick. You can see 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: it's changing really fast. You're gonna have a computer screen 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: in front of you within the next three years, and 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna go wow, went up to the steering wheel. Yeah, 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: the car Doctor, We're not going to own cars in 7 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: the future. That's what it's gonna come down to. My 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: great grandfather drove a seventy eight buok with saber. My god, 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 1: he was crazy. He owned that car. Could you imagine 10 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: owning a car? Welcome to the radio home of Ron 11 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: and Nanian the Car Doctor, since this is where car 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 14 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in the garage doors 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: are open, but I'm here to take your calls at 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: eight five and now running. There's a problem in California 17 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: that's gonna make its way here to the East coast 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: and throughout the rest of the country because it always does. 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: What what happens in California wanders east and it just 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: becomes an issue for all of us. And you've got 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: to be aware of it. In Sacramento County, this goes 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: back to last July. As a matter of fact, in 23 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: Sacramento County, they've passed the law and the article starts 24 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: off by Sacramento County says it's illegal to work on 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: your own car and your own garage. I'll say that again, 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: in Sacramento County, California, it's illegal to work on your 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: own car in your own garage. And then the law 28 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: goes on to break down and define the fact of 29 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: you know, minor order repair. It's okay to maybe put 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: wiper blades on, but not change of flat. And you 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: can't do anything out in the street. It's got to 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: be in your driveway or in your garage. And there's 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: all sorts of rules and regulations, and all of Sacramento 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: County is like this, And you scratch your head and 35 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: you say, how can that be? Isn't this America? Don't 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: we have freedom of choice? Don't we have rights? Don't 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:17,360 Speaker 1: we have but we don't. And this isn't a political conversation. 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: And I could very much make this a political conversation, 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: but I don't need to because I can appeal to 40 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: you on a much higher broader level as to why 41 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: this is wrong and it's an assinine move on. The 42 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: folks at Sacramento County talked about my buddy Russell Um. 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Russell and I we grew up together in North Jersey 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: fixing cars. And you know, we both came of age 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: the same time, both sixteen, both young kids, you know, 46 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 1: learning identity, learning who we were and what we were 47 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: and what we were capable of. For us, it was cars. 48 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: It just it clicked, you know, in a time period 49 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: that probably isn't politically correct now because you can't talk 50 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: about it or say it. There was there was basically 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: three groups of kids. I don't know what they are today, 52 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:08,839 Speaker 1: but back then in the seventies, there were jocks. There 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: were the nerds or the smart kids, um and that's 54 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: what we called them, right, and the gearheads. I was 55 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: a gear head. It's it's it's what I was, you know, 56 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: because smart kids weren't mechanics back then, alright, or so 57 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: they thought. You know. It was you're smart, you're going 58 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: to college. You're you're good at sports. You can go 59 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: to college and play football. And you you're not so bright, 60 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: you'll go be an auto mechanic and that was the mindset, 61 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: and that's the way it got broken down. And you know, 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: I lived it every day for four years of high school. 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: I met Russell in my in my junior year of 64 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: high school. He was in the next town over in Ramsay, 65 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: New Jersey, and we started hanging out every day and 66 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: his mom's garage or my mom's garage, and we were 67 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: just working on cars. We just we were just taking 68 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: things apart. And it was like this opportune to me 69 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: eating at the right time in the right place. And 70 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that we both learned from it 71 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: is we learned survival skills. We learned procedure. We learned 72 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: that when you do a water pump, you do radiator hoses, 73 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: and when you do radiator hoses, you do cooling, and 74 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: when you do cooling, you do a thermostatic. There's a 75 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 1: procedure in a process to fixing a car, just like life. 76 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: And you knew that when you went out on the 77 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: road and you traveled and back in those days, to 78 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: go from New York to Boston is an eighteen year 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: old kid, all right, which I did when I first 80 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: started dating my soon to be wife, it was a 81 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: big deal. You'd load up the car, you take your 82 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: little toolbox and you drive the Boston four hundred miles away, 83 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: and it might as well have been Mars because it was, 84 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm I'm leaving North Jersey. But I've 85 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: got my toolbox. And if anything happens to the car, 86 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: and it did, you fix it on the side of 87 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: the road, the Merritt Parkway, the Connecticut Turnpike, the mass Pike. 88 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: And you learned roads, and you learned how to read eating, 89 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: you learned how to read a map because you were 90 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: out on your own and you knew that if something happened, 91 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: your survival skills kicked in and you fix your car. Well, 92 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: in Sacramento County, they're not gonna have any of that. 93 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: They're gonna be a county of dumbbells. As my uncle 94 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: Steve would say, all right, may rest in peace, because 95 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: we're not promoting or to repair, we're not promoting critical 96 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: thinking skills. And and that's what my takeaway is from 97 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 1: this and and and that's what I have to say 98 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: about that, from the perspective of yeah, I don't want 99 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: to get into the politics of it. And it's Democrats, 100 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: it's Republicans, it's whoever is in charge of the county. 101 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: That's not what this is about. This is a much deeper, 102 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: more painful problem. We're we're disrupting growth. We're disrupting the 103 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: raising of a generation of kids. We're not teaching them 104 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 1: or giving them the opportunity to grow, to learn revival skills, 105 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: to learn how to pack a toolbox, to learn what 106 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: to change when this breaks, you change this, this and 107 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: this and that with it. To learn the responsibility and 108 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: the pride of when the car breaks, you go out 109 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: there and you fix it. You just don't call somebody 110 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and say, here, solve my problem for me. You see, 111 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: Sacramento County thinks they're cleaning up the air because that's 112 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: that's at the root of their of their laws. I 113 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: read it. They're worried about environmental damage, but they're not 114 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: looking at the damage that's being done to that generation 115 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: of sixteen to thirty year old young people because they're 116 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: telling them, hey, you don't need to do anything, We're 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: gonna do it for you. Just just call somebody, let 118 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: them fix your car, which and I believe this to 119 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: be true too. In seventy four, five, six seven, in 120 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: the in the early the mid seventies cars were clearly 121 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: more affordable, and you know you could you could work 122 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: on them. And even though they're limited on what you 123 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: could work on now, all right, the cost factor and 124 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: all at least you could work on them. And you 125 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: can still work on them. There are things that can 126 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: be done. But the way this law appears to be written, 127 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: everything is against the law within reason. Um. And then 128 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: we sat and we thought about it, and we read 129 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: the law, and it said first thought that came through 130 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: my mind after kind of digesting this, I said, what 131 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: happens to the kid who wants to build a hot rod? 132 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: And you know, nobody's gonna do what I did. Nobody's 133 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: gonna take a fifty five Chevy, tow it out of 134 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: Jersey City, strip it clean, and work on it for 135 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: three years and build a hot rod. That's where Black 136 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: One came from. Nobody's gonna do that in this day 137 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: and age. I mean, it's rare. I guess maybe it happens. 138 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: But who's gonna take that that that O two Mustang 139 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: and modify it? You know, again, where's that creativity? Where's 140 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: that teaching of of so many processes and procedures and 141 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: and creating a generation of people that can think and 142 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: do on their own. You see, that's the damage. And 143 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: that's really what this is about, because maybe we don't 144 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: want people that can think and do on their own, 145 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: and maybe they don't care, but you have to. So 146 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: I want you to do a couple of things because 147 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: I think there's power and what we do and what 148 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: we choose. Maybe there's no hope for Sacramento County right now. 149 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: You should google it, Google Sacramento County, California ought to 150 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: repair law and read it and be aware of it. 151 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: And you know, look at it when it comes to 152 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 1: you when you see that little glimpse of information in 153 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: the newspaper out on the web, and it it talks 154 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: about or to repair laws being changed, or what you 155 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: can work on what you can't. Just remember it happened there, 156 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: It could happen where you are, and and and and 157 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: and that's a problem. And that's something you've got to 158 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: really really be aware of, and you know what to 159 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: this day. Just for the record, I just saw Russell 160 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: this week, still fixing cars. I'm still fixing cars. He 161 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: came he's in North Carolina now and he came up 162 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: for a visit and we sat and we had lunch 163 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: and we talked about the old days and yeah, you know, 164 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: some bench racing went on, which is nothing wrong with that. 165 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: It's it's it's a healthy side side track and diversion. 166 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: But um, you know what, we learned an awful lot 167 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: and we grew up awful fast, and uh we both 168 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: turned out okay. So we're both still fixing cars, doing 169 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: what we love. We don't work a day in our lives. 170 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: We get to do what we enjoy. And you know what, 171 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: I'm glad I grew up in the time period I 172 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: could where you could work on cars. Hollo, Welcome Ron 173 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: and eating the Car Doctor. We're here at eight five 174 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine zero zero. We're gonna pull 175 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: over and take a pause. I've got Phil in Vermont 176 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: and a few others on the phones right now. Let's 177 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 1: everybody stayed put. Let's go pull over, take a pause. 178 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll open up the phones and 179 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: they get the garage doors going. Until they banned this 180 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: show and tell me it's illegal. I'll be right back. 181 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: Don't go away for the best in car advice, give 182 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: Ron a call eight five five five six zero zero zero. 183 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: Now back to Ron let's get over to Phil in 184 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: Vermont O nine Chevy Malibu and some questions about exhaust manifold. 185 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: Just Phil, how can I help? By iron? I'm glad 186 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: to talk to you again. You've helped me out cut 187 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: a bit on this car. The first issue I got, 188 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: I got two issues um exhausted men off all about 189 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: three years ago. When I first got the car, it 190 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: was cracked. So I ordered one from the local parts 191 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: place and that only lasted about seven months. And that 192 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: was a steel The original one was cast iron. In 193 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: the second one, the first one they sent me was steel. 194 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: Then that lasted a few months. In the next replacement 195 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: one they sent me was cast iron. Now that's cracked again. 196 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 1: It's been about two and a half years. But what 197 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: could be causing that? This is this is the fourth cylinder? Yes, okay, 198 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: likely and I've been through this with the replacement exhaust manifolds, 199 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: the market exhaust manifolds in this application and don't necessarily 200 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: hold up. It's as simple as that, so I would go. 201 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: I was wondering because it's a dormant and they're about 202 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: six hundred seven hundred bucks and the replace the GM 203 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 1: one is like right, well, there's a reason. You know, 204 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: there's a reason that one. Look how long the first 205 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: one lasted, right, the first one? The first one lasted 206 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: what six years? Seven years longer? Actually? Right? Uh? This 207 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: is yeah. Have you ever purchased the aftermarket ones? Um? 208 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: I have not, because I have heard of this story 209 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: over and over again. But I do know if shops 210 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: that have done it, and they've they've had repeated failures 211 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: with it, and they've had all sorts of issues. Now 212 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: sometimes yes, it's how the manifold is hung, and how 213 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: the manifold, I'm sorry, how the exhaust system is hung, 214 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: and that it's not mounted or some but you know 215 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: something that's a broken hangar or there's there's there's an 216 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: extenuating circumstance. But I see a I see and hear 217 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: of a higher failure rate with the aftermarket exhaust manifolds 218 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: on this application than I do versus the general motors, 219 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: the original equipment stuff. So I can't I can't tell 220 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: you that it's any one specific thing. I always come 221 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: back to in my mind, it's the product itself. It's 222 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: whatever we're bolting on. So there you know, cast iron's 223 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: cast iron, which what's it's supporting it usually cracks right 224 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: in the webbing correct downward right, yeah, right where right 225 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: where it meets the right where it meets the pipe. 226 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: So I've always felt that, Um, I just don't think 227 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: it's thick enough. Listen, Dorman doesn't have any problems according 228 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: to them. Um yeah, I talked to the rep on 229 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: the phone. He wants me to send pictures before I 230 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: send it back from the send it back, cut it 231 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: in half and send them show them, show them the thickness. 232 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: Either that or you know, it's I'd love to see 233 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: somebody go to a Junkyard, cut a GM one and 234 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: half and then cut the dormant in half and see 235 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: if the thickness is the same, or see what the 236 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: mechanical differences are. You know. One thing I've got to 237 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: tell you. One thing I've got to tell you about Dormant, 238 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: and you know, there's just you know, they do some 239 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: stuff really well and they do some stuff really bad. 240 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Is they're not very receptive to criticism. I had an issue. 241 00:12:58,400 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: I had an issue, and there's a little if you're 242 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: so victim, sorry I'm stealing your call. I had an 243 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:07,239 Speaker 1: issue with what was it, Taurus? Oh like O two 244 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 1: through oh nine? Ford Taurus washer nozzle hoses all right, 245 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: where you would buy the hose version from Dorman and 246 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: it would last four months, five months, six months, maybe 247 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: it would it would fold and break just where the 248 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: ford piece broke. But the ford piece lasted seven eight years. 249 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: And when I presented at the Dorman, no, we don't 250 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: have any failures yet. There were three guys standing around 251 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: me in the meeting. It was at a a regional 252 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: trade show, and there were three guys standing around me 253 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: after the technical meeting, and they we've had that same problem. 254 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: We were wondering it ourselves. We were listening to your conversation. 255 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Dorm is not really too receptive to uh to you know, Hey, 256 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: we we've got a problem. Let's fix it there that 257 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: just seems to be there. They're kind of like the 258 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: Honda of the after market. Honda never has any problems either, 259 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: for the record. But that's how come when you get 260 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: to replacement one, the warranty dates back to the first one. 261 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: That doesn't seem fair. What you mean when Dorman replaces one? Yeah, 262 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: because I'm on my third one. It's going to be 263 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: coming in monday now. Well, the guy told me on 264 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: the phone. The warranty and what is back to the 265 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: first way and right? What are they because that was 266 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: your first purchase. Because it doesn't go on in perpetuity, 267 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't go on forever. So in other words, if 268 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: you what's the warranty on a three years? No? I 269 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: said limited lifetime warranty. Okay, So then what difference does 270 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: it matter? What what the date is? Well, because the 271 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: catalytic converter is hooked to it, he said, that's only 272 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: warranty for five years. Okay. Oh, so they're there, war 273 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: So this is a this is a manifold of the 274 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: cat built in Yes, okay, so let me ask you this. 275 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: Are there only misfire fold codes in this vehicle? Does 276 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: the vehicle run? Okay? Runs beautiful? It distincts because I 277 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: think it's not burning the exhaust through the converter? Well all, okay, 278 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: So let's back up. Is there a check engine light on? No? Right? Right? Okay? 279 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: So no check engine light? You know, And I guess 280 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: in all fairness, I should consider that, you know, fuel 281 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: trims could be out, there could be an issue, there 282 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: could be an issue with the way the engines running. 283 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: But you would see, you know, it would either turn 284 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: up a check engine light, a fault code, a problem 285 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: in the way it runs, a stumble, all right, and 286 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: all that can lead to it. But I've always come 287 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: back to it's how that manifold is put together, that 288 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: it's not done well in the after market, and that's 289 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: why GM gets the money they get. All right, Okay, 290 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: all right, well thank you for that. The other question 291 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: I had real quick is on the windshield of vapor 292 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: the transmission arms. Do you usually replace that whole whole 293 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: arm deal or have you ever replaced just the white 294 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: bushings on it? Well, first of all, the white pushings 295 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: are gonna come from Dorman, right, Um, yep, they actually did. 296 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: I did, so I would buy the whole assembly because 297 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: guess why, the same problem. Yeah, same problem. And GM 298 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: doesn't say that sell the replacement ones, right, that's right. 299 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: GM sells you the whole assembly, which doesn't make much 300 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: sense to me because they have to have them when 301 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: they assemble them, so you'd think they'd have boxes of them. Well, 302 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: you think they have boxes of them, but there's probably 303 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: an issue with cataloging, indexing, supplying and storing them. So 304 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, there's an awful lot that goes into parts 305 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: availability here. I'll tell you. I'll tell you a scenario. 306 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: We had a Nissan um I can't remember what it was. 307 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: It was an older Ultima. It was probably like an 308 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: eleven or twelve Nissan Ultima a couple of months back, 309 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: and it broke the little white plastic bushings for the 310 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: wiper transmission. So yeah, I could have gotten I could 311 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: have gotten link arms, and I could have gotten an 312 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: aftermarket wiper transmission. But for dollars more, I was able 313 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: to get a brand new transmission, wiper and linkolge assembly 314 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: right from Nissan. Bolted it in and closed the hood, 315 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: and cars gone. And you know, there's there's there's value 316 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,400 Speaker 1: in buying certain oe parts, plain and simple, all right. 317 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: And now in the beginning though, when I went to purchases, 318 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: the price was like six or seven hundred bucks. And 319 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: and how would I have known that back then three 320 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: years ago that you wouldn't. So you know, it's it's 321 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: a live and learn. It's a live and learn business, 322 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, Phil, When you walk into a repair shop, 323 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: there if if you've got a relationship with the guy 324 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 1: and you've got the right repair shop. And I think 325 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: there's two kinds. There's a couple of different kinds of 326 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: repair shops out there. And you know, I know this 327 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: from talking to guys. There are guys that won't use 328 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: certain parts or parts of manufacturers because they know what 329 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's a problem and they want their customers 330 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: to be happy. And then there's guys that will sit 331 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: there and they'll say to me, I'll use the f 332 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: the market part. Shirt wears out in two years. I 333 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: give a year warranty on the labor. The customer gets 334 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: the part for free, but at least they get the 335 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: labor back. Everybody's got a different way of doing business, 336 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: and um, yeah, unfortunately you won't know. So I wish 337 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: I could do more for you, Fiel. I feel your pain, brother. 338 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: It's um, it's a it's a it's a live and 339 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: learn business and unfortunately you're learning it right now. So 340 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: keep going, you'll get there. I'm run an Anian the 341 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: car Doctor. We're back right after this. Welcome back, ran 342 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,959 Speaker 1: an Anian car Doctor. You know, if I Phils still listening, 343 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: what you have to remember when you see an extreme 344 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: price difference between an original manufacturer supply part in an 345 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: aftermarket part, you've got to look at that and say why, 346 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: all right, costs or costs it's it's X number of 347 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: dollars to make something versus this many dollars to make something. 348 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: The fact that that manifold had a catalytic converterant it 349 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: tells you that well, as you know, I like to 350 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: think aftermarket catalytic converters are just not going to last 351 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: as long as an OEE catalytic converticals. If you look 352 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: at them, they're always a little bit smaller. There's you know, 353 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: catalytic converter material has to come from the same source. 354 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: And yeah, there's cases where the where the original equipment 355 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: manufacturer is gouging and he's he's charging more for something 356 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: on a large scale than it's worth. But in a 357 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: lot of cases, you know, it's pretty close, and there's 358 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: a there's a there's a gap that's closing every day, 359 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 1: and you've got to look at a WEE parts versus 360 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: aftermarket parts. There's a time and a place and a 361 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: lot of what you're buying and when you when you 362 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: purchase parts is you're buying the expertise of that person 363 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: behind the parts counter, Hey what works, And you're also 364 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: buying the expertise of that guy in the repair shop, 365 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: Hey what works? And that's that's very important as part 366 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: of the process today. Um, if you're blindly buying parts 367 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,199 Speaker 1: on Amazon and there's nobody to ask, or at my 368 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: favorite place, rock out up because I look at that 369 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: and I say, you know, that's a whole another story. Um, 370 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, you get what you get. You're you're you're 371 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: taking a pig in a poke and you're you're you're 372 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, you've got nobody to go back to and 373 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: and resource and source and you know, having a reference 374 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,959 Speaker 1: to speak to somebody knowledgeable, reliable and responsible. That's a 375 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: huge part of the repair process today as it has 376 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: been for many many years. Let's get over to Mike 377 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 1: in Virginia some jeep Grand Cherokee issues. Hey Mike, what's 378 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: going on? Are these? Um? Was this ninety seven? Are 379 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: they both four? Ohs? No, they're they're they're the Emmys. 380 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: And basically what happens is is, uh, as you you 381 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:37,639 Speaker 1: could be coasted along and then you take your foot 382 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: off the gas so you get it down PM, so 383 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: you give it to gas and it kind of like 384 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: almost someone says, like leading misfire or uh kind of 385 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: chugs and its difficulty moving up hills. Everything I've read online, 386 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: which I know isn't always true. Um, they say it 387 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: has to do with this MSD system or m D 388 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: S system or whatever it is, and that it's been 389 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: a constant problem for jeep. So I'm just trying to 390 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: figure out, you know, what the deal is. I mean, 391 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: I put new plugs in it, Champion copper, just like 392 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: they say, new wires, and both of them. It runs 393 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: a heck of a lot better. But it didn't fix 394 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: the problem, right, And and so that these are seven 395 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: this is oh five and oh seven, Oh five and 396 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: oh seven. That's all right. I'm sitting there and thinking 397 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: about him. He's in. Yeah, that's that's a little different. 398 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: So let's talk about this again. This is a misfire 399 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: that occurs when start over again. Okay, if you're cruising along, 400 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: you let your foot off the gas so it's no load. 401 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: Then you give it a little bit of load. Okay, 402 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: you don't floor, you just give it some gas, and 403 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: it kind of like, you know, it's hard to describe 404 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: it. It It has like a jump to it, a missfire. 405 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: It kind of has its struggles. It's sort of it's 406 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: sort of it's it's as if you were accelerating lightly 407 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: like there was an egg between your foot and the 408 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 1: gas pedalty just sort of wanted to do right, just 409 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: give it at just give it a little bit of 410 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: gas and there's a little bit of a cough and 411 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: a weeze. Um almost is it? Is it anything like 412 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: a stick vehicle being driven in too low of a 413 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: gear and you step back on the gas again to 414 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: accelerate like that In a way, it could be, Um, 415 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: how many miles are on these vehicles. One's got one seventy, 416 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: one's got one ninety, and there's no fault codes, no 417 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: fault codes, and everything you do seems to make them 418 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: a little bit better, but nothing fixes it. No, nothing yet. 419 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: And again they were saying it has to do with 420 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: this MDS system. You know, it runs four cylinders out 421 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: of the eight and that's not you know, it's been 422 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: a fault of jeep or something, and they don't want 423 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: to fix I mean, that's just what I've been hearing. Well, 424 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: and I'll tell you a few things, and I'll tell 425 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: you what it probably is, and you won't like it, 426 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: so I'll get ready, brother, Yeah, it's probably not the 427 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: camp shift that it's not. It's it's but well here, 428 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: so you know, you gotta go through the obvious, right 429 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: It's it's if if the engine was misfiring, and it 430 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,959 Speaker 1: was that's it was that sensitive, al right, Or if 431 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: it was that obvious, it's it's sensitive enough that you 432 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: should see some misfire faults developing, not necessarily ignisition, just 433 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: misfire faults, all right. Obviously, I would tell somebody to 434 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: go in and look at fuel trim, look for pending 435 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: fault codes. What do they see looking at data stream? 436 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: Does anything look like it's at a kilter? All right? 437 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: And you know that's just plain and simple obvious. Do 438 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 1: we have the beginning of an injector fault? Injector issues 439 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: on these engines are not uncommon. Carbon deposits on these 440 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: engines are not uncommon, obviously. And I know you're a 441 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: regular to the show. You know, fuel injection, cleaning, carbon 442 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: removal all important parts of automotive maintenance today, right, So 443 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: let's rule out the engine for a minute. You know, 444 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: you can get off the phone and go look and 445 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: do carbon cleaning and go through all the things I've 446 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: told you in you know, but I don't think that's 447 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: where you're gonna find the solution. I'm willing to bet 448 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: this has an issue in the transmission transit original okay. Um, 449 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: And also I want to mention to you know, any 450 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: software updates that need to be done should have been 451 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: done all right, because Chrysler has had their issues with 452 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: reprogramming for this where they you know, they're trying different 453 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: flashes and different solutions and um, you know, different types 454 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: of uh software changes to make them run better. I 455 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: don't think any of that's gonna do it. What you're 456 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: describing to me is what I typically see on you know, 457 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: uh that that generation two thousand three up through about 458 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:44,639 Speaker 1: two thousand eleven Jeep product Dodge Chrysler where we'll drive 459 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: SUV type vehicle. It's probably got do these have the 460 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: NAG transmission, the NAG one they have out on a 461 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: quadrant track or whatever. I'm not sure you know. Okay, 462 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: So these have an issue where these are six speeds, right, 463 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: one of them is a six. So what Chrysler is 464 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: doing around this generation is, uh, they don't apply the converter. 465 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: They don't lock up the converter in the transmission in 466 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: first gear, but they do in second, third, fourth, fifth, 467 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: and sixth. And what you're describing as the beginnings of 468 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: the converter coming on too quickly or too harshly at 469 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: at the wrong moment. It's almost like if they if 470 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: they delayed, converter lock up because they it goes, it 471 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: shifts from first to second. You take your foot off 472 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: the gas, all right, converter releases and then you just 473 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: touched the gas and bang it it comes right back 474 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: on too harsh. It's like it needs a half a 475 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: second delay to get the vehicle moving before it locks 476 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: the converter because what is doing is it's pulling the 477 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: RPM down so low it causes the engine to lug. 478 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: Is the problem better? How can I say this is 479 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: the problem? Less? Notice a bowl. The faster you're going like, 480 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: it's worse than second going. If you don't notice anything right, 481 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: you're going fast, you won't anything right. It's it's really 482 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: noticeable in second and third, but under under load, like 483 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: you could be in first going to second. Right, Yeah, 484 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen in first. It's like second, third, maybe four, 485 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: but not fifth or sixth. Right, I think you got 486 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: a trans issue, brother, now, yeah, they both have the 487 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: same thing. And then what I've also read is like 488 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: if you put it in uh in tow and holl mode. 489 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: It gets rid of the overdrive. Now it runs better 490 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: that way because then you're not using the MDS system. 491 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: You're not, you're running on all eight. Then when you're 492 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: towing in hall, yeah, guess what, you're not to run 493 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: better that way. And I don't and I don't believe 494 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: you're locking the converter in the same manner. So we're 495 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: back to we're back to transmission again. All right. They 496 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: both have the same thing though, but anyway, so just 497 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: just stop and think about that. What you may try 498 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: to do is try double footing it. Try driving drive 499 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: with your foot lightly on the brake pedal, all right, 500 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: because that should release the converter. And I'd have to 501 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: read and research that to verify, but I'm pretty sure 502 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: it does. And that will release or not allow the 503 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: converter to be applied up to a certain point. And 504 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: if that improves the way the vehicle operates, then at 505 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: least you know, you've got to get into the trans 506 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: now before I let you go real quick. Trans fluid 507 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: ever changed? Oh yeah, okay, all right, so you know, 508 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: and just mean about that. I changed every man, all right, yeah, um, 509 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: but that's you know, and you may find if you 510 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: do believe that this comes down to where this is 511 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: a trans issue. Um, there are some additives out there, 512 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: some friction modifiers. And I'm not I don't like the 513 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: band aid things, but you know, you get to the 514 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: point where advent thousand, you're not gonna take the trans 515 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: apart to put a converter in it, or or you're 516 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: gonna put a trans in it. And if it isn't 517 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: NAG trans, which I believe it is, there goes out 518 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: the door. Uh So sometimes that friction modifiers worth the gamble. 519 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: But um, you know, I think I think what you're 520 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: describing to me as a trans issue. Um, And I'll see, 521 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta go in and look at the numbers, 522 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, look at fuel trim, look at some of 523 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: the counts, look at some of the pending faults, you know. 524 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, don't rule out transmission for a problem like 525 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: that you're describing to me. All right, kidd okay, thank 526 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: you sir, You're very welcome. You take good care. Nine 527 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: zero the cards coming back right into this. You know 528 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: the other day, I was in the shop and I 529 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: heard that song and I'm turning around and I went, hey, rock, 530 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,959 Speaker 1: it's weird how you listen to music and it's bumper 531 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: music and you go, wow, where's the microphone? Dennis in Virginia. 532 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: How can I help you today? Dennis? What's going on? 533 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Good morning? Yes, good morning. I'm calling you to get 534 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: you get your opinion. Ron. I've been in a Honda 535 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: Civic for for three or four years, and I'm I'm 536 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: tired of pouring myself into it, trying to pull myself 537 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: out of it. Um, I'm a bigger, bigger fellow, and uh, 538 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: what want or two? Get something a little more excess, 539 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: thinking about like an SUV that would set up a 540 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: little little taller. And I was looking at this Nissan 541 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: Rogue some I want to get it used when something 542 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: with you know, forty to sixty miles on it. And 543 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: I was just wanting to pick your brain just a 544 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: little bit to see if if there's any any issues 545 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: with uh, with that, with this this rogue in that range. 546 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: They had some trans issues early on, and I believe 547 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: they're resolved by then. But everything has issues. Dennis. All Right, 548 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything out there in the marketplace 549 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna buy today that's, you know, isn't gonna have 550 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: one or two bugaboos that have to be dealt with. 551 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: What's probably what's probably the most important thing to consider 552 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: when you're buying a vehicle is who's gonna work on it? Right? 553 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: And so I turned to when I say, Dennis, who's 554 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: gonna work on this Nissan? Do you have a regular 555 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: mechanic that you've been going to for years and years? 556 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: You know? Do you have a trusted guy or you 557 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: for the last two or three years? Yeah? Okay, So 558 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: you know you gotta ask him the question, Hey, I'm 559 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: thinking about buying a Nissan Rogue. Can you work on it? 560 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: And do you have a scan tool that will communicate 561 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: with it at a fairly competent level? And I think that's, 562 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, some of the key questions you have to ask. 563 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: And if he kind of hems and haws and stamps 564 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: his feet, you know, as good a mechanic as he 565 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: can be, he's limited by his tool choices. You know. 566 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: It's it's it comes down to and when I say 567 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: a scan tool choice, it can't be Yes, I've got 568 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: a snap on scan tool. You know what snap on 569 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: is a good tool. It's not the be all and 570 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: end all. Um A good repair shop today has multiple 571 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: aftermarket scan tools, a snap on, a launch, an autel, 572 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: all right, and then they've got, you know, multiple dealer 573 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: level tools. They've got a ford I d S. They've 574 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: got you know, a GM Tech two or the the 575 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: later model GM. For the newer gms, they've got you know, 576 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: the Chrysler tool, the Star scanned, the d RB three 577 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: if it's older Chryslers and that type of things. It's 578 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: a dedication to tools because it's not a question of 579 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 1: how smart are they. They're gonna be locked out electronically 580 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: where they can't and that's important for you the consumer. 581 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: And then you know, as long as we're talking about it, 582 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: so go look at a rogue. You have to sit 583 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: in a bunch of things, all right. How old is 584 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: the Civic? How long have you had the Civic? It's 585 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: a twelve and it's got great little car, but it's 586 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: it's sort of like dating, right, you've been dating the 587 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: Civic for eight years. It's time to go out and 588 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: test the waters and see what the market is. All right. 589 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: So you know, you don't want to fall in love 590 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: with the first car you get in, all right. You 591 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: want to go you want to go drive a rogue. 592 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: Go sit in a Ford Explorer. I think Ford Explorers 593 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: are great cars, and you'll find stuff out there, certified, 594 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: pre owned. Go sit in a Chevy Tahoe. You know, 595 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: they're all like, you know, we're all in that same 596 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: midsize category. Go look at a UM. Go sit in 597 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: a Toyota, UM not a rav the one up or 598 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: the fore runner. All right, and and and see what 599 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: those do for you. And and just as important, back 600 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: to your mechanic. Hey, I'm thinking of X y Z. 601 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: Can you work on it? What's your area of expertise? 602 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: And and you know that's that's just really important. I 603 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: had somebody at the gym asked me the other day, hey, 604 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: can I bring you my Mercedes? And I explained to him, 605 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, and it was a like an eighteen It 606 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: was an eighteen Mercedes mL something or other. And I 607 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: said no, because the scan tool only goes up to X, 608 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, and you really need a guy that's got 609 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: scan tool capability. Um. It's it's just that important. It's 610 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: not a reflection of intelligence, it's a it's a reflection 611 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: of tool choices and business decisions that the shop is 612 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: making or where they're at in the scan tool evolution, 613 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: because that's really what's limiting the repair. All Right, kiddo, 614 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 1: let's tell you what what tell you what gonna sit? 615 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: Sit right here here, let me pull over, take the pause. 616 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll finish up. I'm running any 617 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: of the car doctor, We're back right after this. A 618 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: welcome back, right A name of the car doctor? Dennis? 619 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: You're still there. You had one more question, sir, quickly? Yes, yes, 620 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: Does does cold weather uh decrease the miles per gallon 621 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 1: in vehicles? Does does cold weather decrease your ability to 622 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: work well as a human being? Alright, same thing. It's mechanical, 623 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: but it will affect it. Now the idea is all right, 624 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: and you know they've gotten better over the years, all right, 625 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: it used to be if if you're old enough, it 626 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: sounds like we're sort of in the same age group. 627 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: We're close to it. But I remember carbureted cars. The 628 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: choke was on longer, and you know, it ran a 629 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: little richer and uh, you know, a cold weather with 630 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: limit fuel economy, and yeah, there's there's definitely some truth 631 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: in that. I think computer cars have gotten better where 632 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: it's not as pronounced and they're trying to create a 633 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: more stable you know, fuel miles per gallon emission levels 634 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: over a wider range of temperature. But yeah, it can, um, 635 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, and then it also depends on how it's 636 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: taken care of. For example, all right, I still hear 637 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: people say to me. I got into a conversation with 638 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: a fellow this week. He wanted me to put ten 639 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 1: thirty oil in his jeep because that's what I put 640 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: in every jeep since the day I've owned jeep since 641 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two. Well, you know, things have changed a 642 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: little since ninetto and um, you know, he wants me 643 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: to put in a ten thirty oil because that's what 644 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: they should have, and it really called for zero twenty 645 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: and I forget the exact ear make model. It was 646 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: somewhere in the blur of the week that just went by, 647 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: and I had to explain to him. You know, in 648 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: cold weather, that creates more drag, and that affects fuel economy, 649 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: that affects emissions, that affects you know, engine protection. Um, 650 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: it might even affect depending upon how cold it is, 651 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: if that engine will even start, it will be able 652 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: to crank and turn over. So you know, yes, and 653 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that go into that configuration, 654 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,240 Speaker 1: and um, you know, but great question. I appreciate it, Dennis. 655 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: I hope I helped you, and good luck car shopping. Remember, 656 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: don't fall love with the first one. Go out and 657 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: uh take a few out on a date and try him. 658 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,320 Speaker 1: It's Valentine's Day weekend here on the Car Doctor, it 659 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: would be a good time to do that, So good 660 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: luck to you. I'm running any in the car Doctor, 661 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: looking up, thinking it's time to go until the next time. 662 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you.