1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. This is the all New All Ball. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottley, but you can listen to the Doug 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: Gottli Jailing weekday. So welcome three to six kids of time, 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: Postport Radio, the I Heart Radio after UM. The last 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: couple of weeks, we've had long form interviews j billis 6 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: ESPNS League College Basketball analysts. You should download that one 7 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: if you've missed it. And uh also with Scott Brooks, 8 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: who's the head coach of the Washington Wizards. We got 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: some more of those interviews returning in the coming weeks. 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Just kind of tease a head for it. But this 11 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: week we're gonna kind of get into some hoop because 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: you have college practice starting, you have NBA training camp 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: starting as well. This is a shout out to the 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: guys are training camp fodder. Never got a chance to 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: be training camp fodder. All I wanted to be was 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: training camp fodder, and I could not make a training 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: camp roster. And there's some hard decision times with some 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: of these guys who could go to training camp and 19 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: go through the G League, or you can go and 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: make more money overseas. Rooting for all you guys that 21 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: have the two way contracts to get or even the 22 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: ones that don't have the two way contracts to get 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: called up into the from the G League to the league. 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: This year, UM, I am fascinated by the NBA. I 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: think the NBA has found new life. It's really good 26 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: ball in comparison to the NFL in terms of popularity. 27 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: It's growing, not shrinking, and there is no risk of 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: long term brain damage. But also they figured out long 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: ago with the NFL is trying to figure out which 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: is offense wins. Defense still wins championships. Gotta shut people down, 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: but offense gets attention. I would only warn you that 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: if you're comparing this generation of previous generations, it's not 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: just the use of three point shots, more possessions, it's 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: offense friendly rules. Um, all of these things have sped 35 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: up the game. It's given more possessions, more possessions, more 36 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: three point shots is more points. Less protection at the rim, 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: less bodies in the lane means higher efficiency finishing in 38 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: the lane. Less postops, post up shots mean more efficient basketball. 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: There's still room for post up, still room for the 40 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: mid range pull up, but we are getting smarter, and 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: smarter means more points and more possessions and a better watch, 42 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: and the NFL is trying to play catch up with 43 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: the NBA figured out a long time ago. Lebron is 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: in l A. That one's just and it's one of 45 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: those things where you might have thought it was a possibility. 46 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: And last year this time, everybody's saying, Hey, the Bron 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 1: is gonna be a Laker next year. But I had 48 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: heard that before I heard Kevin Love was gonna be 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: a Laker, right that that didn't happen, and Paul George 50 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: was gonna be a Laker. Ever, lots of people are 51 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: gonna be Lakers that didn't end up being Lakers. Lebron 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: is really a Laker, and that really does change so 53 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: much of the Eastern Conference but also the Western Conference. 54 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: But I'm interested in Rondo being named starting point guard 55 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: before they ever had a pre season practice. Some of 56 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: that is Zo coming back, but isn't that a kind 57 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: of tweak at Zoe? And hey, dude, you're gonna have 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: to earn it. You have to take it from Rondo 59 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: because we just can't hand you the keys to this kingdom. 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: And then I think the Boston Celtics are suddenly the 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: most underrated team and Tera Rosier was their fourth guard, 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: and Jason Tatum probably wouldn't have started if not for 63 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: Gordon Hayward's injury. Gordon Hayward been back, and if he 64 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: returns to form before he got hurt, he was an 65 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: All Star in the West and he's gotten better every year. 66 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: I would expect him to have a huge year, and 67 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: I think the Celtics are viable challengers to the Golden 68 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: State Ward. Alright, We're a year removed from the FBI 69 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: arresting a bunch of coaches and the entire college basketball 70 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: world freaking out. And there's no better guy to come 71 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: and have a conversation with about this than Sam Passini, 72 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: who also has been arrested by the FBI in the past. 73 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: But that that stuff, when I'm kidding, you got brush 74 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: down of the ruggy rights for the athletic he joins us. 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: Now he has his own podcast. It's a really good one. Um. Okay, 76 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: A year later, where are we with this stuff? Rick 77 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:11,279 Speaker 1: Pettino lost his job, a couple of assistants lost their job. Um, 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: but that and that's kind of all that happened, right, Yeah, 79 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: that's all I feel. I Mean, you could say the 80 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: fallout is that Rick Petino is no longer at Louisville, 81 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: so we had to deal with Ristino in the media 82 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: for a year. And then Chris Mack is now at 83 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: Louisville where he's absolutely killing and recruiting and he's going 84 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: to turn that program around and everything is gonna be great. 85 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: Travis Steele is now elevated his Davier. There's been some 86 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: fallout there. There's been some fallout with recruiting, like who 87 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: knows what happens with Romeo Lankord's recruiting if Rick Petino 88 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: and Louisville are still at Louisville and still at the 89 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: level that uh they were before this entire thing went down. 90 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: But at the same time, nothing has really changed in 91 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: the grand picture, Like in the big picture, that stuff 92 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: it may not seem small, but it kind of is. 93 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: There's no real momentum towards a reform in college basketball. 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: We had this commission on college basketball that was set 95 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: out with trying to change the game and really trying 96 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: to make it so that this stuff quote unquote won't 97 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: happen again. But at the end of the day, you 98 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: look at what the changes are and they really aren't 99 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: that significant other than to the recruitings calendar. So it's 100 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: it's really just been much ado about nothing so far. 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: Now I assume the FBI investigation isn't over, but you know, 102 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: so far, it's fair to say that where you're out 103 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: and not much has really changed. Yeah. It was super weird, right, 104 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: super weird, especially when the FBI they had this like, hey, 105 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: we we got your playbook, we got your playbook. We 106 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: know a yeah, right, like, oh well they got some 107 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: people here and you know, you know, basically come out 108 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: with your hands up, admit that you did it. Nobody 109 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: did that, and there hasn't been much of anything outside 110 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: of some embarrassment from Adidas, you know, a couple of 111 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: players losing their lgbilly, an entire kind of freshman class 112 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: kind of gets caught up in it, and then and 113 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: then we move on. Alright, So, um, the recruiting calendar changes. 114 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: You and I have been to these events. You go 115 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: to all of these events, you know a lot more. 116 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: What what has what? What? Really has anything changed in 117 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: the recruiting landscape? Not yet, but I think that it 118 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: genuinely will change. Like you're talking about a schedule now 119 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: that is markedly different, Like there is no longer a 120 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: live period for coaches to go to Las Vegas at 121 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: the end of July and go see a bunch of 122 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: players in a singular circumstance. Under the a U umbrella. 123 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: There now these camps that you know, USA Basketball is 124 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be involved with, and uh, the n c 125 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: A is supposed to be running that College coaches are 126 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: supposed to basically hand over their recruiting lists and say, hey, 127 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: you should invite these kids to these events. So, I 128 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: mean it's gonna change. It just hasn't changed yet. We'll 129 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: see what the changes are. Like, the funniest thing about 130 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: this is I think that the n c A and 131 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: it's not really funny. It's actually kind of sad. They've 132 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: made it harder for kids to get found in my opinion. 133 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 1: And I'll give you a great example of this, Like 134 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: I talked to Dylan Windler out at Belmont last week 135 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: for a story I'm gonna run at the athletic at 136 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: some point. And Dylan was a kid who played golf 137 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: throughout his first I would say, like two years of 138 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: high school and played basketball on the side, and then 139 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: the summer before his senior year he goes and plays 140 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: on Kyle Guy and UH India elite in the AUTH circuit. 141 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: Belmont recruits and sees a six foot seven kid who 142 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: can shoot, says, hey, we want to get this kid. 143 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: Last year, Dylan Windler was the only kid in America 144 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,119 Speaker 1: to average seventeen points, nine rebounds, and shot from three 145 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: while having three assisted games. He doesn't get found by Belmont, 146 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't get found by all of these other UH 147 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: schools that offer him scholarships. If there's no grassroots system 148 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: that he can just easily join because he's been found previously. 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: So it's it's gonna hurt kids in the long run. 150 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: And that's what's frustrating to me about it. And that's 151 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: where I think the biggest change is gonna be a 152 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: lot of these under the radar kids are gonna end 153 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: up knock getting found and you're gonna see D two 154 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: kids end up transferring up to D one. Yeah, I mean, like, 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: I don't I'm gonna I agree with you. There are 156 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: problems with AU basketball, and there are problems with the 157 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: connections with the shoe companies on the other hand, and 158 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: and I do like that some of the powers being 159 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: put back in the hands of the high school coach. 160 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: But even that there are shoe companies that control the 161 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: high schools and the high school coaches. It's like we're 162 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: completely missing missing the point. And I'm not sure if 163 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: we didn't just kind of move things furniture from one 164 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: side of the room to the other and uh yeah, 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: if if if a player like him is his coins 166 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: stuck under the couch, he's still stuck onto the couch, 167 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: only it's harder to find because now we've rearranged the furniture, 168 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: and the thought is that you've already gone through that 169 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: couch and you have not. So um, Okay, we're heading 170 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: into college basketball season, we're heading in the NBA season. 171 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to get too lost caught up in 172 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: in the college basketball thing just yet. I do think 173 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: one of the great adjustments that's been made to the 174 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: college game is that teams are already practicing like that, 175 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: to me is awesome. I've always felt like and look, 176 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: I do think that college coaches can evolve, but some 177 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: of it they're kind of working on the fly and 178 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 1: plugging holes and you don't know who you have do 179 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: you play live games. While we can be smartly critical 180 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: of their changes in the recruiting calendar and how some 181 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: of it doesn't make as much sense as they think 182 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: it does. We could both agree that more time together 183 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: earlier in the year is better for the overall product 184 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: once we see it in early November. Correct, Yeah, no question. 185 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm excited that we're going to have more together college 186 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: basketball teams. Then I think it's ultimately good for the 187 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: kids that they get more time in front of coaches. Now, 188 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: I think that we have to if their coaches don't 189 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: abuse it. But at the same time, I think it's great. 190 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: You know, Here's that this is a big misconception though. 191 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: I think um that some people have is that the 192 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: point of the coaches abusing how much time they have 193 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: with their teams. You can lose a kid, you can 194 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: lose a team if it's I bring up um Duke's 195 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: team when they had Austin Rivers. I don't remember that year. 196 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: They went to Beijing and they went to Dubai and 197 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: I called those games for ESPN. I didn't get to 198 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: go to Dubai in China. I did it from a studio, 199 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: but I talked to the coaches and then I talked 200 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: to I remember talking to a couple of the coaches 201 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: in like February, and I said, why aren't you guys better? 202 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: You know? They said, you know what, You're around each 203 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: other too much, too much, like just too much. We 204 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: we started the year before we ever got to school. 205 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: There's just kind of a natural evolution of a team, 206 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: and we kind of jump started the process by having 207 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: those nine practices and then going overseas, and guys are 208 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: already around each other from the moment they start school 209 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: until the moment that the season is over. But we're 210 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: just around each other too much. And I do think 211 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: that one of the misconceptions is, hey, look, kids are 212 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: gonna be in a gym anyway, it's better off when 213 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: they're under the watchful eye of their college coaches. I 214 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: actually like, I would actually like to be no hours limits, um, 215 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: because I don't I do think it's really hard for 216 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: a coach to abuse those numbers because the abuse the 217 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: hours because you can one wear a kid out too 218 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: They tune you out after a certain number of hours. 219 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: They just don't have that attention span. And then you 220 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: know you'll get in fighting within a team simply because 221 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: guys are around each other too much. Yeah, no question, 222 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: I think that's absolutely right. And then I would even 223 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: throw in it. In addition to this that the advents 224 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: over the last let's say like four years of the 225 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: like personal trainer that goes around and you know, it 226 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: kind of helps these kids out. Some kids have them, 227 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: some kids don't. The higher end kids for the most 228 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: part them nowadays because it's big business for the trainers 229 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: get involved earlier on. Uh. It does help a little bit. 230 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: I think is well in terms of these coaches not 231 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: being able to be on the court with their players 232 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: having someone there who hopefully uh and in most situations 233 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: and most trainers that I've met are very smart and 234 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: can help kids get better at basketball. Yeah. I also 235 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: think the other thing that's changed in the last this 236 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 1: is like ten years, is everybody has a facility now 237 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: and and so kids can get in and they're getting 238 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: shots up. Like you said, they have that personal trainers 239 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: or you know, you have a group of managers that 240 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: are feeding kids. And that's why I do think that 241 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: having practice time and workout time with coaches on a 242 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: daily basis, they're going to be in a gym, why 243 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: not you know, it's like, would you rather kid lift 244 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: on his own or lift with your strength coach? Would 245 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: you rather kids shoot in his own or shoot with 246 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: your coach, so he's taking game shots and working on stuff. 247 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: You do want some other voices in their ears so 248 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: they don't get tired of you. But but I do 249 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: think that having those basketball facilities, which almost almost everybody 250 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: at the high level and even mid major level has, 251 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 1: I do think it's changed how much kids kind of 252 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: live in the gym, and it's helped the skill of players. 253 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: The question is does that skill fit in with their 254 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: role in college. Sambasini is our guest here on the 255 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: All Ball podcast. All Right, NBA teams have had their 256 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: media day, and um, let's start with the Lakers, because 257 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: that's the biggest change for a team. I would say 258 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: them and the Calves obviously has the worst Lakers for 259 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 1: the better. My My couple of quick takeaways are Lebron 260 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: is smart, smartly speaking the truth, and that hey, they're 261 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: building this thing kind of from the ground up. They 262 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: are chasing the Warriors, but they are not even close 263 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: to being competitors with the Warriors. And uh and and 264 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: I think he seems sensible about his own expectations and 265 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: maybe he's lowering our expectations. I found it a little 266 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: bit curious that the Lakers already announced that Rondo is 267 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: gonna be the starting point guard at the start of 268 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: the season. What are your thoughts on the Lakers now 269 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: that we're two or three days into training camp. I 270 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: was surprised by the Rondo news, no question. It wouldn't 271 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: surprise me if they end up starting both of those guys, 272 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: Like I don't think there's been an announcement on like 273 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: who's the starting two is gonna be. But I'm not 274 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: surprised that Rondo is gonna start the year as a starter. 275 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure that there was some sort of statement made 276 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: to him that he's going to come in and have 277 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: a specific role. And you know, Rajon Rondo is coming 278 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: off of the year that I think was drastically underrated. 279 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: Like over the last couple of years, he's gotten a 280 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: lot of crap about being a player who dominates the 281 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: ball and pounds the ball in the ground and doesn't defend. Look, 282 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: he's not a great defender anymore. I think that that's clear. 283 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: But you look at his role on those New Orleans teams, 284 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: and you look at on that team last year, and 285 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: you look at how he performed in the playoffs. He 286 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: was really good. He was really useful for them, I thought. 287 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: And then the other big takeaway I agree with you 288 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: is that Lebron is starting to kind of lower expectations 289 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: for this team whatever he signed there. My assumption was 290 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: that he's playing the long game here. He's playing the game, 291 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: uh to where he knows that this year is a 292 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: developmental year. He wants to see which of these young 293 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: guys he wants to keep around long term, which of 294 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: these young guys can be used as trade bait going forward. 295 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: And they're in a good situation where, now that you 296 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: know Anton gave us assigned with Rich Paul as his agent, 297 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: they could potentially go down that road for a trade, 298 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: or they could also have the option of using their 299 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: max cap space next summer, and it could be a 300 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: situation where they use both. So he is in a 301 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: year where I think he knows this is I don't 302 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: want to say it's a wasted year, but it's a 303 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: year where he's probably not going to be competing on 304 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: the highest level and he's trying to position the chips 305 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: on the board to where he can compete at the 306 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: highest level with the Warriors. Again, especially when you know 307 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: we can talk about the Warriors situation as well. There's 308 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: no indication right now that Kevin Durant is for sure 309 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: going to be in Golden State next year. Yeah, I 310 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: want to get to that. Let's let's conclude here. On 311 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: the Lakers, I'm trying to figure out though, Like I 312 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: do think there's a certain amount of tweaking taking place 313 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: to where they're they're trying to figure out if a 314 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: Lonzo has it right. Like I think that, I think 315 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: the coaching staff that the parts that the guys that 316 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: I know they like. Look, we really like a Lonzo. 317 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: He's a very good rebounder. He's an incredible passer um, 318 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: and he's a He's a good teammate and a good 319 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: player in that he you show him something on film 320 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: and he tries to legit, tries to make an adjustment, 321 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: and like this is basically freshman year to sophomore year. 322 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: His body has changed dramatically and that should help his 323 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: game all around. On the other hand, he didn't get 324 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 1: to play that much with that body because he had 325 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: the knee surgery in the off season. That said, I 326 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: don't know, I feel like announcing it that early is 327 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: either to pacify Rondo or to motivate Zoe or maybe 328 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: both right, Like they didn't announce a KCP starting, or 329 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: if it's Josh Hart, they announced anything out, Like what 330 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: are they doing with Kyle Kuzma. You know KU's in 331 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: many parts is better coming off the bench, so he 332 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: can be a starter to a bench player. I do 333 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: feel like they're tweaking Zoe a little bit to try 334 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: and figure what he's got between his chest and if 335 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: he can stand up and take the job from Rondo. 336 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: Is that Is that a fair guess? I think that's 337 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: a reasonable guest. I am fascinated by this Alonzo ball 338 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: gen Rondo situation just because I think it's incredibly combustible 339 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. Like Jon Rondo is starting. 340 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: We've seen what LaVar ball is like whenever Alonso is 341 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: wronged in LaVar's mind, So it's it's a combustible situation. 342 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 1: But I think Alonzo proved last year that he is 343 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: a useful NBA player. He's a very good defender. Last 344 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: year he's a very good passer. Uh. He plays team 345 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: ball in the manner that I'm sure Luke Walton wants 346 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 1: to run in his body makes it so that he's 347 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot more useful in their defensive scheme where they 348 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: want to switch all actions. So it's it's a complicated situation, 349 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: but I think I agree with your initial point that 350 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: it is a place where they're trying to challenge Alonzo 351 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: Ball to come back from this injury with a vigor 352 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: and with a verb and to get used to his 353 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: body and to figure out everything that is going on 354 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: with this game. And then there's the part that maybe 355 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: I don't get, which is I like Rondo, um, but 356 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: you know, guy like me can appreciate how you can 357 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: play this long and be this successful without a jump shot, 358 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 1: but that that's not traditionally what Lebron likes for his 359 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: point cards, right, and and Lebron no, he wants to 360 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: handle and even Lebron plays out of the post, like 361 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: are we gonna have back? You know, Rondo back, you 362 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: know in what's called the ghost which is the position 363 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: if you take the backboard and you go all the 364 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: way out to the end edge of the court, like 365 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: below that level, closer to the baseline. That's the ghost position. 366 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: That's where Boston would put him offensively so that his 367 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:45,879 Speaker 1: man couldn't help or double team or get in the 368 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: way because he can't shoot. Is that where we're putting rondo? 369 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: Is that? Because that screws up your defensive balance as well. 370 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: I just I'm fascinated to see how the rondo a 371 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: Lonzo thing works out, how the rondo and loop things 372 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: works out, and then how the rondo and Lebron thing 373 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: works out, because those are not pieces that traditionally would 374 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: be aligned. Yeah. No, I agree with that, But even 375 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,919 Speaker 1: more than that, all of those combinations fascinating. I agree 376 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: with you. But the most important thing that the Lakers 377 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: have to find out this year are how a Lonzo 378 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: Ball and Brandon Ingram play together with Lebron James. Because 379 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram not a super comfortable shooter. Yet he's shot, like, 380 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: I want to say, from three last year or something 381 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: in that range. So he did it on like one 382 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: attempt to game. Bonzo Ball obviously struggled to shoot it 383 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: last year. I'm a big believer in body strength and 384 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: just improving your frame, improving your muscle uh tone and 385 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: definition can really help a jump shooter because it becomes 386 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: a little bit easier to keep your mechanics consistent throughout 387 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: the long kind of an NBA season. So I think 388 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: that that could really help his jump shot. But again, 389 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who's an unproven shooter right 390 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: now at the NBA level. So how did those two 391 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 1: guys more for Lebron, who is traditionally, as you said, 392 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: love to have shooters around. I am fascinated and I 393 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: think that that is the absolute biggest thing that the 394 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: Lakers have to figure out in the first year of 395 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: Lebron experiment. Here, any join us, Let's let's get to 396 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: the Golden State Warriors. There is kind of this, this pilaver, 397 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: this this slow murmur of hey, Kevin Durand doesn't He's 398 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: not tied to any one place. If you had to 399 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: put a percentage chance he he leaves Golden State, what 400 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: would it be. It sounds fifty to be honest, Like 401 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: it really sounds like it's up in the air that 402 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: at some point over the next year, probably in free 403 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: agency next year, he is real potential leave. He talks 404 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: to people around the league. You here New York, like 405 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: I've heard something like Rich Kleiman is close with the 406 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: Knicks front office. He grew up a Knicks fan, Like 407 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: he's gonna kind of, you know, maybe push Kevin Durant 408 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: that way or Uh. You know, I don't think anyone 409 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: pushes Kevin Durant, but he could end up playing a 410 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: role moving Kevin Durant that way. You hear about lost 411 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: names with Lakers, hear about the Clippers. You hear all 412 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: of these teams that are gonna have max cap space 413 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: next summer, they're gonna be in the Kevin Durant market. 414 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know what Kevin Durant still its throve 415 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: uh in Golden State right now in San Francisco. I'm 416 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: just unclear what his what his motivation would be for staying, 417 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: unless he genuinely just wants to win seven or eight championships, 418 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: like that's fine, that's totally a reasonable assessment. But if 419 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: he wants to go down is one of the five 420 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: best players to ever play the game, which I think 421 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 1: is a reasonable approximation of where his ceiling is, he 422 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: probably has to go somewhere else and pleas that he 423 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: can do it on his own. And why does he 424 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: have to go somewhere else? I mean, like, look, if 425 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he's led the league 426 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: in scoring, he's won an m v P and he 427 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: wins let's say they win it this year and he 428 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: wins four or five or six? What is he? I 429 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: don't I don't understand what's going on. You know, everybody 430 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: wants everybody wants to be the guy that fixes the Knicks, right, 431 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: And I could go through the Phil Jackson and Larry 432 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 1: Brown and come in Low Anthony, and like I could, 433 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: you could go through the list of guys that, over 434 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: the last thirty years, Rick Pettino of the last have 435 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: tried to be the guy like yeah, Marius Dottomyer's a 436 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: penny hardaway. I mean there, but there are plenty of 437 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: guys who are like, I'm gonna be the guy who 438 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: fixes the New York Knicks. It sounds like a great idea, 439 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: and at some point somebody is going to find a 440 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: way to win, right, we see futility streaks come to 441 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: an end. But uh, I don't know. I don't know 442 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: why he have Why do you have to Why would 443 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: you ever split tens? And any that he's splitting tens 444 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: he's got twenty one showing Yeah, no, I I generally 445 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: agree with you on this, but you're always going to 446 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 1: hear that from other people who do these legacy type conversations. 447 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: Oh he had to go join Stephan Curry and the 448 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: best team ever to win a title. He had he 449 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: couldn't win on his own, so he couldn't win with 450 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 1: Russell westbro CU's an m v P. He couldn't win 451 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: with James Harden who's an m VP, so he had 452 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: to go do it with the best team ever. That's 453 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: gonna be a thing that is said about his legacy, 454 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: like we did it with Lebron until Lebron one in 455 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: Cleveland by himself, essentially with helping Kyrie, I mean, Kevin Love, 456 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: but it's very clear that he's on a different level 457 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: than those guys. So look, I agree with you generally 458 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,679 Speaker 1: that we shouldn't hold this against Kevin Durant. You know 459 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: that with the way that this stuff goes, now, that's 460 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: gonna be what's said about it. Like that is gonna 461 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: be what his legacy would be if he wants to 462 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: win five or six titles. No question, it's funny. It's 463 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: it's at least interesting. Maybe I don't know if interesting 464 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: or funny. It's like Lebron, Like, look, when Lebron went 465 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: to Miami, they went got Chris Bosh and Dade Wade 466 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: was already there, so one that was essentially a super team, right, 467 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: and then they added you know, Ray Allen, Right, so 468 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: you got you got four Hall of Famers on a 469 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: team that's not a super team. I don't know what 470 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: it is. And three of those guys were playing in 471 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: different different UH locations, you know, before they got to Miami, 472 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: so it's not like they were a homegrown and people 473 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: people held it against him that he left Cleveland, but 474 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: nobody said, how you joined a super team? Now you 475 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 1: have and and he got to the NBA Finals, couldn't win. 476 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: He got to the Eastern Conference Finals and lost. Kevin 477 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: Durant is the same thing in Oklahoma City. He leaves 478 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,360 Speaker 1: and joins the Golden State Warriors, and all of a sudden, 479 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: he well, he's the only one joining a super team. 480 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't help me out. I don't understand that. Is it? 481 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: Because the Warriors beat the Thunder and the Heat didn't 482 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: beat the Calves, that's the logic behind it. Are you 483 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: saying that you think that the narrative was Lebron didn't 484 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: join a super team? Yes, I think I think that. No, 485 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: I think it definitely was the narrative, like from what 486 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: I remember, at least, like that's all That's all I remember. 487 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: But I think that people, I think people are forgetting 488 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: that part of the narrative. Now. Now it's because he won, 489 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: and because it's time, because he went back to Cleveland 490 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 1: ultimately one and right, like, look, when he went back 491 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 1: to Cleveland, he Kyrie Irving was waiting there and they did. 492 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: They went and got Kevin Love instead of keeping the 493 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: number one overall pick, which was Eggins. So I mean 494 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: there was a super team kind of form there too, 495 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: And let's just be honest. But I don't think I 496 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: agree with you, So so won't time won't time heal 497 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: that wound? With Kevin Durant, I think that success yield 498 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: that wound for Lebron, and the idea of quote unquote 499 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: going home kind of brushed over it in many ways. 500 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: Bringing Cleveland their first title is a shitty in what 501 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: sixty years something like that. I think that that brushed 502 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: over it in a way that uh, continuing to win 503 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: titles in Miami couldn't ever really brush over for his 504 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: legacy for some people. With Kevin Durant, I think that 505 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: he needs to do basically what Lebron did. Their careers 506 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: are on stunningly similar tracks right now. In terms of 507 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: team success. Both of them went to an NBA Finals 508 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: before leaving their first destination, and both of them ended 509 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: up being unceremoniously kind of beaten easily. And then they 510 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: go to a different home, they win a couple of titles. 511 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: They're very clearly established. In my opinion, Kevin Durant established 512 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: him best player on that team last year at some point. 513 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: So they've established themselves over the incumbent star as the 514 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: best player on the team. And now what happens next 515 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: is a big question. How does this go from here? 516 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: And to me, some people are always just gonna hold 517 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: it against Kevin Durant. To me, I'm a big fan 518 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: of do whatever makes you happy, Kevin, Like we we 519 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: see Kevin Durant have to create burner accounts and talk 520 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: to people online because there's clearly something there that is 521 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,199 Speaker 1: I I don't want to know if I don't know 522 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: if it's an insecurity, I don't know if it's just 523 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: something that he's not pleased with in his life. I 524 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: just want Kevin Durant to be happy. I want him 525 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: to feel fulfilled in his life, and I wonder if 526 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: he will get the respect that he so meaningfully requires 527 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: if he stays in Golden State. I just don't know 528 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: if that's gonna happen. He's had his success, he's had 529 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: his titles, he has established himself, in my opinion, as 530 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: someone who will go down as one of the ten best, 531 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: fifteen best players. Ever, I think to raise into that 532 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: next spechial on, which is genuinely where his feeling lies, 533 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to go somewhere else. For a lot 534 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: of people. Boston Celtics to the second best team is 535 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: I don't really feel like it's close. Like I think 536 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: Oakland City has improved. I'm not sure Houston. I don't 537 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: think Houston is as good a team, even though they 538 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: have really really good pieces. Uh, but I feel like 539 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: people are underselling how talented, how talent laden this Boston 540 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: team is, and how I actually think the pieces fit 541 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,199 Speaker 1: together really really well. Um, would you dispute that I 542 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: agree with you one Uh? Like you said, they're kind 543 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: of a perfect modern basketball team, and that's the pieces 544 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: fit together super super well. You have young stars and 545 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum and Terry Rosier who are 546 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: kind of motivated I think to continue their rise into 547 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: the upper echelon of basketball teams. You have older stars 548 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: like Al Horford and Kyrie Irving who are looking to 549 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: establish themselves as pre eminent players who can lead a 550 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: team to a title. Uh, you know, as the leaders 551 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: of the group. And then you have Gordon Hayward, who, 552 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: if people forget since his injury, was genuinely one of 553 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: the twenty best players in the NBA when he signed 554 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: in Boston. So the pieces fit together. They have a 555 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: legit bench in Terry Rosier in uh, you know, guys 556 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: like Marcus Morritt, Marcus Smart. Yeah, all all of these 557 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: excellent players. They're loaded. I think they're gonna win like 558 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: sixty five games this year. Loaded. Yeah. It's it's really 559 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: fascinating on how people have I don't know what it is, 560 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: is maybe their infatuation with Tatum and with Rosier, and 561 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they dismissed Gordon Hayward like, well, 562 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: maybe he'll come with the bench, Like he was an 563 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: All Star in the West. You know, he was the 564 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: biggest free agent prize and they landed him. Um, he's 565 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: not coming off the bench, you know. Yeah. By the way, 566 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: he's a guy who can play four positions on the 567 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: court and has improved every year he's been in the NBA. 568 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: Why why would he? Jason him has a chance, has 569 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: a chance somewhere down the road to be a better 570 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: player than Gordon Hayward. He is not close to being 571 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: that player yet. Gordon Hayward did not play last year 572 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: except for what a couple minutes, and Jason did manage 573 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: fourteen a game in the regular season and there was 574 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: like seventeen a game in the postseason. Like he has 575 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: he has to be a really good player, but he's 576 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: not there yet, and he was not coming off the 577 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: bench anytime soon. Yeah, I mean, if Hayward returns to 578 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: what his peak was in Utah, he's not, or Jason 579 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: Tatum is not as good as he is yet. It's 580 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: it's just a reality of the situation. But I think 581 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: that's where the question comes in, Right, is Gordon going 582 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 1: to come back and be that same guy or if 583 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a slightly diminished version of that coming 584 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: off the knee injury. I tend to think that at 585 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: this point, medical uh expertise has come so far that 586 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: h c L injuries, you miss a year and you 587 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: come back mostly the same, So I think it's probably 588 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. I think he's gonna return and be 589 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: every bit of what he was. Yeah, you break your leg, 590 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean all we can go by is 591 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: Paul George, right, I mean break you know, that's that's 592 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 1: like the only guy who's had that kind of injury 593 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: and he's come back. And Paul George wasn't great right 594 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: out of the shoot, but Paul George and Paul George 595 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: broke his leg in the summer. This one happened ruin 596 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: the fall. But I think Gordon Hayward has been ready 597 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: to go for a while now. All right, last thing, 598 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: um after the draft, I thought, well, Trey Young, because 599 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: he's on a terrible team, is going to shoot the 600 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: ball all the time, is going to be Rookie of 601 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: the Year. Like just the sheer volume of opportunities that 602 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: he's going to get leads me to think that he's 603 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: gonna be He's gonna have some crazy nights that are good, 604 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: some crazy nights that are awful, and winning doesn't really matter, 605 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: so the stats will carry him through. But everything everyone 606 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: I've talked to about Luca don Chick has said like, look, 607 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: you guys, realize he's ready to play and contribute and 608 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: be good in the NBA for a good team him 609 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: right now. And I don't think the Mads are nearly 610 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: the train wreck that they look like they were because 611 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: they were trying to lose games at the end of 612 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: last year. If I make you pick a Rookie of 613 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: the Year before the season has ever begun, who is it? Uh? Yeah? 614 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: I picked Luca at the draft. I picked Luca a 615 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: month ago when I got lucky and got him at 616 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: one to win Rookie of the Year. And I am 617 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: picking him like I've seen no reason to believe that 618 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: he's not going to be the best rookie. He is 619 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: very clearly the like most ready to step in and 620 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: see the guy for a Dallas team. He's gonna play 621 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: just as many minutes, I think is what Trey Young does, 622 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 1: and I think he's a better player right now. So 623 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna Luca don Chich and I agree with you. 624 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: The Dallas team not nearly as bad as what people 625 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 1: are expecting. DeAndre Jordan's going to play a significant role. 626 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: Having adults in the room like Harrison Barnes, Wesley Matthews, 627 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: Turknovitsky that's gonna help a lot. And then a year 628 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: of maturation from Dennis Smith is gonna help. So yeah, 629 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: the Grizzlies were trying to lose games. The Mavericks are 630 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 1: trying to lose games. I think the Sons if they 631 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: can get a point guard, and looks like they may 632 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: get one as part of this Minnesota Jimmy Butler trade. Um, 633 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be fascinating sun skiing in a 634 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: point guard if they can start trying to win games. 635 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: Last thing, let me ask you about Jimmy Butler. Um, 636 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 1: he was supposed to be the guy that was the 637 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 1: best fit for Tips and yet NAT turns out he 638 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: and Tibbs don't actually like each other all that much 639 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: and he wants out. I had I had been told 640 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: that he didn't jibe with Carl Town's or with Wig 641 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: all that Well, going back to last year, what are 642 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: we left? We're left with Minnesota team that finally got 643 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: to the playoffs and we thought we had some hope 644 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: and now Jimmy Butler's on his way out, Like, well, 645 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: what are we left with here? In Jimmy Butler's case, 646 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: I think we're left with questions on a uh, does 647 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: he fit personally with anything but a select few players 648 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: in the NBA, like, let's just be honest. Not everyone 649 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: in the NBA the work ethic that Jimmy Butler does. 650 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: It's I think okay to just admit that, and I 651 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: think that Jimmy has to maybe recalibrate that when it's 652 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: sometimes he doesn't quite He said this in the past, 653 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't really get that everyone doesn't have the drive 654 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: that he does. I think that's more of a personal 655 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: adjustment he has to make. And then secondarily, on the 656 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: Minnesota side, they have to figure out what they want 657 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: to do because you hear reports out of uh Minnesota, 658 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 1: you hear reports nationally that there's a real power struggle 659 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: going on right now in terms of who's going to 660 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: complete this deal and if this deal is gonna be completed. 661 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: Tom Thibodeau doesn't want to complete this deal because he 662 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: doesn't want to rebuild. Glenn Taylor kind of sees the 663 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: writing on the wall and is reading the tea leaves. 664 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: He says, we should do this and just cut our losses. 665 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: Teams that have come into contact with them are struggling 666 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: in terms of the breakdown of communication on trade talks. 667 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: So it's a mess up there. Man like I am 668 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: fascinated to see how this thing ends. It seems like 669 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: Miami maybe has taken the lead, but there are a 670 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,239 Speaker 1: lot of teams that could use Jimmy Butler and use 671 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: him potentially in the Eastern Conference. Is the propelling point 672 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: to move from borderline making the playoffs maybe being a 673 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: four or five seed to legit competing I think at 674 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,720 Speaker 1: least for the number two seeds behind Boston. Fascinating, fascinating stuff. Sam. 675 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 1: Look forward to reading your work, hearing your work on 676 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: your podcast, and of course hanging out with you and 677 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: talking ball uh the entire season long. Thanks so much 678 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: for joining us on All Ball, Doug. I feel like 679 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: so many of my brethren who cover college basketball and 680 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: who do in fact love college basketball, we're like trying 681 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: to shake every dollar out of college basketball to get 682 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: to the players when they're already really well compensated, and 683 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 1: we're trying to chase guys to the NBA, even though 684 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: there's a natural progression from college to the NBA and 685 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: there is no one kind of protecting it. You know, 686 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: for years we've heard from college basketball coaches saying, you know, 687 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: why not put the baseball rules in the problem with 688 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: the baseball rules, in addition to the fact that baseball 689 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: players don't actually get paid until really their fourth year 690 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: in professional baseball. As you get college baseball, which as 691 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: good and gritty of sport as it is, is not 692 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: nearly as well regarded, as well funded and as as 693 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: well watched. So with every game being on TV, with 694 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,440 Speaker 1: Urena's getting bigger and so the crowd sometimes get smaller, 695 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: you lost some of your you're built in traditional rivalries 696 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: with conference expansion. Um, I think college basketball is it 697 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's stinks and it's still gonna be awesome. Gonzaga, 698 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Gonzaga and Kentucky and Duke and 699 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 1: to a lesser, slightly lesser extent, a couple other Okay 700 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,800 Speaker 1: I mentioned Kansas, Like, those are the four probably favorites 701 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 1: coming into the year, Four big boys that have all 702 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: kind of been to a Final four recently, one a 703 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: nationally many of one national championship recently, or Kansas and 704 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: can Zach have been really close. Those are the four favorites. 705 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: And then there's you know, the Carolinas and the Syracuses 706 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: and some of these other teams that are uh that 707 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: are trying to kind of climb that climb that ladder 708 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: to being in the final four. It should be a 709 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: great college basketball season. I just I wonder if as 710 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: basketball people were doing a good enough job to protect 711 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: the sport as to the NBA. The couple of interesting 712 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: points that should be made about this NBA season that 713 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: are not I think sometimes in mainstream media anyway, as 714 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: good as the San Antonio Spurs were last year, and 715 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: think about what they're gonna throw out there this year. 716 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: You know, you add a DeMar DeRozan to LaMarcus Aldridge 717 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: and de jont Murray as you're starting point guard for 718 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: the second consecutive year, you'd think he'll develop some offensive game. 719 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: He's already stellar defensively. The Spurs should be better. Look 720 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: at the West and you tell me where the easy 721 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: nights off are. I look at the Milwaukee Bucks, and 722 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: I think the Bucks and the Wizards among other teams, 723 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,479 Speaker 1: and of course the Raptors should be I think they're 724 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: better getting Kawhi Leonard. And remember you're like, wait, you 725 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: just said the Spurs are better because they lost Kawhile Leonard. No, 726 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: Kauai didn't play last year except for nine games, So 727 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard healthy playing in Toronto, Toronto be better. He's 728 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: better than DeMar dear Rosen, But DEMARDA Rosen playing is 729 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: far better than Kawie Letard not playing. Last year, you 730 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: got teams like the Utah Jazz, Portlands Trouble Lazers probably overachieved. 731 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,560 Speaker 1: They take a step back this year. The point is 732 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,240 Speaker 1: the NBA has done a really good seat job of 733 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: kind of controlling the narrative, the storyline all of basketball. 734 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,399 Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about, not really the college game, 735 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: with the exception of Duke because their trip to Canada 736 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: and um, I think the West is stacked, but I 737 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: think the East, at least the top of the East 738 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,000 Speaker 1: is better than it has been or you know, in 739 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: many ways, the Celtics are a better team. I think 740 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,720 Speaker 1: if healthy, then the Calves were over the past couple 741 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 1: of years. Do they have any one player who's as 742 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: good as Pete Lebron James, No, but they have Kyrie, 743 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: and I think Kyrie should be a better version of 744 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: himself with Brad Stevens with this lineup, second year in 745 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: Boston plus coming into his prime, and they're supporting cast 746 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: is better than that which the Calves had. Hey make 747 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: sure you listen to The Doug Gottlieb Show weekday afternoons 748 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 1: three to six Eastern time on twelve to three Pacific 749 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio dot Com, Fox Sports Radio, The 750 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: Philly at the I Heart Radio app. And I believe 751 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,319 Speaker 1: we're back on serious sex sem Channel Light three, but 752 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: don't hold me to that. Fired up for basketball season, 753 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 1: We'll continue to throw great interviews your way, and we 754 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: appreciate you downloading, subscribing, and listening to all on Doug 755 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: gotlind