WEBVTT - What Is Quantum Spin?

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<v Speaker 1>Ythaniel. Do you ever get caught using a word that

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<v Speaker 1>you don't really understand? Do you actually always know what

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about? I don't think I'm willing to devote

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<v Speaker 1>that here on the podcast, and maybe we can have

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<v Speaker 1>that conversation over a beer sometimes. But the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I love is that there are some topics in physics,

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<v Speaker 1>some idea, some words that I'm pretty sure nobody actually

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<v Speaker 1>really understands. I feel like this is taking us to

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<v Speaker 1>another episode about quantum physics that's right and wrong at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. No, I mean, yes, exactly what at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time. Hi'm Jorge. I'm a cartoonist and the

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<v Speaker 1>creator of PhD Comics. Hi I'm Daniel, I'm a particle physicist,

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<v Speaker 1>and Welcome to our podcast, Daniel and Jorge Explain the Universe,

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<v Speaker 1>a production of I Heart Radio in which we take

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and fascinating and amazing and hot and wet and

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<v Speaker 1>nasty things about the universe and try to explain them

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<v Speaker 1>to you. Today's episode is dedicated to a Lana, whose

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<v Speaker 1>boyfriend Nick is a local fan of the podcast here

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<v Speaker 1>in Irvine. Happy Birthday, Alana. Today's topic is a really

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<v Speaker 1>fun one, and in preparation for it. Not only did

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<v Speaker 1>I go and do the normal street interviews I usually

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<v Speaker 1>do with random people, but I actually went around the

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<v Speaker 1>halls of my physics department and I asked a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of grad students if they could explain today's topic for me,

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<v Speaker 1>and they found it pretty tough. Wow, that's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>interesting spin on the topic in our process. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right to be on the podcast. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking about quantum spin exactly. Quantum spin? What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>What does it mean? Are things actually spinning? Why is

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<v Speaker 1>it quantum um? We've got a lot of people sending

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<v Speaker 1>in requests to talk about this topic. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>when people are interested in physics and digging around in

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<v Speaker 1>videos on the internet and listening to podcast you hear

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<v Speaker 1>this come up a lot. It comes up in quantum entanglement,

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<v Speaker 1>It's in science fiction everywhere, and of course people want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what does it mean, what's going on? Why

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<v Speaker 1>is it so important? That's right? What is spin? How

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<v Speaker 1>fast is it spinning? What's the spin on it? Exactly?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it's spinning out of control? That's right? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>different from political spin? Um? It's definitely a thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's something fascinating and more importantly, if you're an expert

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<v Speaker 1>in this field, does that make you a spin doctor

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<v Speaker 1>doctor of spin? Yes, exactly. You know, we have sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a bad track record in physics of naming things

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<v Speaker 1>um naming things using familiar words, like we give corks flavors, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the up cork and the charm cork and the top

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<v Speaker 1>cork a different flavors of corks, colors and colors, right

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<v Speaker 1>when they don't really have color, they don't really have color,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't really taste different. I mean, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've never actually tasted a top cork, So there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm speaking on something I don't really understand, but we

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<v Speaker 1>don't mean it in that way. So sometimes we're like

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<v Speaker 1>adopting existing words and just using them totally inappropriately. Other

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<v Speaker 1>times we're trying to use words that are similar to

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<v Speaker 1>some other concepts because specifically because we want to call

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<v Speaker 1>up structures and ideas from those concepts. Like color is

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<v Speaker 1>actually a pretty cool one because while the particles are

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<v Speaker 1>not colored, there's something about quantum color which is similar

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<v Speaker 1>to color, and so we want to express that. You're

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<v Speaker 1>sort of trying to grab onto an intuitive idea, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you're trying to like a reference, you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>reference an intuitive idea in our everyday experience and and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of latch that onto a physics concept exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>we do that all the time, right, That's basically what

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<v Speaker 1>physics is is try to explain the unknown in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the known, right, Like when we try to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about particles, we're doing that all the time. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're saying, oh, it's a particle, No, it's a wave. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's really neither, and it's both and it's something else

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<v Speaker 1>more complicated, And we're just trying to patch together a

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<v Speaker 1>description of using ideas in your head, right, we weave

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<v Speaker 1>these together into some sort of understanding. Here's such a

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<v Speaker 1>suggestion for you guys. Maybe you should just instead of

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<v Speaker 1>calling being bold and calling it like colors or flavors,

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<v Speaker 1>just at the word, like at the beginning in your

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<v Speaker 1>official definition. So the announcement should be like, like we're

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<v Speaker 1>calling this color, I mean, like let's call flavor. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I just call it like a quantum light color. It's

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<v Speaker 1>light color. It has a color like property or a

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<v Speaker 1>spin like property, or you know, I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to get mathematically, just with a little Tilda in

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<v Speaker 1>the front right, and then nobody would be confused. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I like that idea a lot good. You like like it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally like it, and I think, um, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter it gets a lot of likes. There you go.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I want to something. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>you should be nominated onto the secret International Physics Naming Committee.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know where it meets or when it meets,

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<v Speaker 1>or who's in charge of it, but they have been

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<v Speaker 1>making some dubious decisions recently and they need some fresh blood. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think if I was in charge, I would just

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<v Speaker 1>put the tilt in front of physics itself. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you study till the physics? Physics? I'm studying

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<v Speaker 1>something like physics, but it's not actually, I mean, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>everything like physics? Pretty next thing, you're gonna be calling

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<v Speaker 1>me like a physicist, not actually a physicist, but something

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<v Speaker 1>like approximating a physicist. You know, you're gonna spread this

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<v Speaker 1>Tilda Daniels sort of like a Daniel into it. Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>You're Daniel. You know I'm actually a Daniel. I am

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<v Speaker 1>the definition of me, right, You're Daniel sub zero exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not like me I am me, right, you are,

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<v Speaker 1>I think therefore I am Daniel. Well, anyways, before we

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<v Speaker 1>spin out of control here on this um side conversation, um,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about quantum spin, and so it's it. It

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<v Speaker 1>plays a big deal in quantum physics and quantum entanglement, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and atomic orbitals. I mean it's it's sort of it's

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<v Speaker 1>important in everybody's atoms, which um which are a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of important to people, that's right. I like my atoms,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're not like atoms. I just like them.

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<v Speaker 1>But exactly, spin is everywhere, and you hear come up,

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<v Speaker 1>and especially when you're hearing explanations of quantum entanglement or

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<v Speaker 1>quantum computing or or orbitals and this kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you hear about it. And when I was a student

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<v Speaker 1>and I was learning about quantum spin, I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but what is it like? Are these things actually spinning?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do we call it spin? Right? How could a

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<v Speaker 1>particle spin? And so let's dig into all that today. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>as usual, Daniel went out there and asked people in

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<v Speaker 1>the street if they knew what quantum spin was. And

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<v Speaker 1>you actually have kind of an interesting spin twid this time, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I went out and I asked people on the U

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<v Speaker 1>C Irvine campus and then a few other folks at

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<v Speaker 1>the at an Irvine mall Um what they thought quantum

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<v Speaker 1>spin was, if they could describe it, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>did understand quantum spin. I also asked them, are these

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<v Speaker 1>particles actually spinning or is that just like spin? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that just like a word we use. Well, here's what

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<v Speaker 1>people had to say, um, so energy, I just think

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<v Speaker 1>of energy. Oh yes, what's the quantum spin? Uh? Like

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<v Speaker 1>quantum spin as an like spin up, spin down with

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<v Speaker 1>within molecular orbitals and electrons um. So are those particles

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<v Speaker 1>like actually spinning gesa Uh No, I haven't quantum spin? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, it's electron spin um that it can be

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<v Speaker 1>positive or negative um. And then how's it different from

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<v Speaker 1>normal spin? Like a tennis ball can spin? Is electron

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<v Speaker 1>spain the same thing? Are they physically spinning? Uh? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. I know some stuff about Polly's principle that

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<v Speaker 1>the spin should be in a specific way, and they're prepared,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know some way in distunt stuff, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure about the people. Right. Yeah, isn't because um

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<v Speaker 1>every electron has a different type of spin. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>either a plus one half a minus one half. I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot what it would Yeah, and are they like actually spinning.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it like the same thing as a tennis ball spinning?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is it's um? No, because it's not like because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't treat it like it's a particle, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's um like an electron is a mix of a

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<v Speaker 1>particle and a way. I've heard of it, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not familiar with the meaning. Okay, No, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what that is, all right. Yes, there's up and down spin, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's in me. Uh well, I don't know much

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<v Speaker 1>more than that, Okay, all right. It seemed very binary.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people had had no idea, never even heard of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and some people had a lot to say about this topic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and some people knew some stuff sort of in the

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<v Speaker 1>vicinity of the topic, but not actually like reluing to

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<v Speaker 1>the question the vicinity. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I like when

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<v Speaker 1>when I asked somebody question and I can tell they

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<v Speaker 1>haven't thought about this in a long time, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have sort of like a free association going off in

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<v Speaker 1>their mind that wait, this is connected to that idea,

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<v Speaker 1>to that idea of that idea, and then they go no, Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know the answer. That's really fun,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can see their process. Yeah, because a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people to be heard about it or read about

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<v Speaker 1>it a long time ago, maybe in high school physics

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<v Speaker 1>or something, and so you sort used to feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's in there in your brain. You just need some

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<v Speaker 1>time to you know, boot up the hard drives. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think my favorite part of this experience asking

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<v Speaker 1>people these questions was that one gentleman after I asked him, um,

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<v Speaker 1>if you knew about quantum spin, he then asked me,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, is this some thing you need for your dissertation?

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<v Speaker 1>Said yes, yes, sir, Yes, sir, I am a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five year old graduate student. Absolutely, are you saying that

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<v Speaker 1>you can be a grad student at forty something? There

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<v Speaker 1>are fewer of them. Yes, there are a few or

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<v Speaker 1>forties something year old grad students. But I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say the ones that are forty years old, like folks

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<v Speaker 1>that went out into the real world and worked in

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<v Speaker 1>real estate or law or something and then came back

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<v Speaker 1>to do physics grad school, they're really good students. They

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<v Speaker 1>really want it. Yeah, it takes a it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work to divert from a path in the real

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<v Speaker 1>world back into academia. It's much harder than just like

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<v Speaker 1>going from undergrad to grad school. So I really respect that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you gotta really want it cool. So if

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<v Speaker 1>there are any there, any listeners out there who want

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<v Speaker 1>to change careers and get a PhD, they should contact you,

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<v Speaker 1>right and you have a spot for them. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>sure I just offered anybody funding, but I would encourage you.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a deep passion for physics and you're

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<v Speaker 1>finding yourself in a dead end job and you wish

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<v Speaker 1>you had gone to physics grad school to unraveled mr

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe, I encourage you, sir and ma'am, if

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to be in another dead end of of

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<v Speaker 1>awesome knowledge, then be a cartoonist. Is that what you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say? Yes? Yes, alright, So Daniel, let's break it

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<v Speaker 1>down for people. What is quantum spin? We don't know?

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<v Speaker 1>Done podcast over, why we had to diversely so much?

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<v Speaker 1>Just do fill fill in the air time? Um, So

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<v Speaker 1>people don't know because I don't know what quantum spin is.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't really know what it is. Now we know

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<v Speaker 1>it's a thing, right, So there's this thing, this property

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<v Speaker 1>of particles. We don't really understand what it is, what

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<v Speaker 1>it's doing. But there's this thing we've observed and we

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<v Speaker 1>call it quantum spin. So let's do that. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what this thing is that we can observe, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll talk about why we call it quantum spin.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know whether it's actually spinning and stuff. Right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the origin of this? How did this come to

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<v Speaker 1>be a thing? And it came to be a thing

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<v Speaker 1>basically because of magnets, right, and you remember that charged particles.

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<v Speaker 1>So a little particle with the charge on it, like

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<v Speaker 1>an electron, if you move it in a circle, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like through a wire loop or something, then it makes

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<v Speaker 1>a magnetic field. Right, you can turn it on and

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<v Speaker 1>off like electro magnets. This is how they work, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like motors everyday electric motors, motors in your car and

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<v Speaker 1>in your electric car, and you're um even your phone, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably a little motor of solenoid doing the vibrations

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<v Speaker 1>when you put it on vibrate mode. That that's the principle.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they just pump electrons through a coil a little loop,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that creates a magnetic magnetic field which moves something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And the cute cool thing there is you

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<v Speaker 1>have a magnet you can control electronically or digitally. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty awesome. But the important concept there is that

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<v Speaker 1>things moving in a circle. Charges moving in a circle

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<v Speaker 1>give you a magnetic field. Right, So that's something we

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<v Speaker 1>know about, right, something we understand. And so then people

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<v Speaker 1>were asking the question, um, well, do electrons themselves like

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<v Speaker 1>individual particles? Do they have little magnets on them, like

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<v Speaker 1>not just moving in a circle, but is there a

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field just due to the particle? And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing physicists do. They're like, well, we

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<v Speaker 1>don't expect this to be this way, but let's just check, right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if this happens. Because back then maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>thought particles were like little little balls, right maybe yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well they didn't know. Right, this is in the nineteen twenties,

0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.040
<v Speaker 1>this is almost a hundred years ago. The whole idea

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<v Speaker 1>of a particle was still pretty new. People discovered electrons

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<v Speaker 1>and neutrons and you know, it was a crazy era

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<v Speaker 1>of discovery. They were maybe asking, like, is one electron

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<v Speaker 1>maybe like a magnet itself? Yes, exactly right, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they were wondering about. And so if it's a magnet,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have a direction, right, like a field exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what it have its own little magnetic field. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was the question they were trying to answer, like does

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<v Speaker 1>an electron or a silver atom or whatever, a little

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<v Speaker 1>particle have its own magnetic field. So what they did

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<v Speaker 1>is they built this device that would um that. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>they put particles in this device and the device has

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<v Speaker 1>a magnet nick field on it, and they move the

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<v Speaker 1>particles through the device, not in a circle, just in

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<v Speaker 1>a straight line. And the idea is that the device

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<v Speaker 1>has magnets in it. So if the particles have their

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<v Speaker 1>own magnetic field, then they'll get pushed to one side

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<v Speaker 1>because the magnets on the particle would interact with the

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<v Speaker 1>magnets um from this device and would push the particles

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<v Speaker 1>to one side or the other, kind of like like

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<v Speaker 1>if you not through an electron, but if you through

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<v Speaker 1>like an actual magnet, like a fridge magnet, if you

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<v Speaker 1>threw it at some other magnets, it would get deflected, right, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>it would get deflected. Now, most magnets are balanced, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Most magnets have a north and a south. So say

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<v Speaker 1>you set up like a really strong pair of magnets

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<v Speaker 1>and then you threw a fridge magnet through it, probably

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't get deflected because it has a north and a south,

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<v Speaker 1>and so the polls would get balanced. So what they

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<v Speaker 1>did was they set up one really big magnet and

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<v Speaker 1>then a weaker magnet on the other side, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>like an uneven magnetic field through it, so that if

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<v Speaker 1>your fridge magnet goes through it, depending on the angle

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<v Speaker 1>of the magnet, depending on the angle of the north

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<v Speaker 1>and the south, they'll get pulled the one direction or

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<v Speaker 1>the other. So they build the particle version of this, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>They an uneven magnetic field, and they shot some particles

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<v Speaker 1>through it, and what they found was really surprising, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really shocking what they discovered. They found that

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<v Speaker 1>particles do have magnetic fields. Yeah. Well, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>they found two things that were surprising. One, particles do

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<v Speaker 1>have their own little magnetic fields. I mean, first they

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<v Speaker 1>did it with silver atoms, which is sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>easiest thing they could do to to make a beam.

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<v Speaker 1>Then this is a long time ago before you could

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<v Speaker 1>easily make like a beam of particles. They just put

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of silver in an oven and like some

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<v Speaker 1>of it boiled off and they collimated it and got

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<v Speaker 1>a beam of silver atoms. And then later they did

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing with electrons, and they found that these

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<v Speaker 1>things have their own little magnets. Like an electron is

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<v Speaker 1>a magnet, which is kind of perplexing, like what does

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<v Speaker 1>that mean? Like where does this magnet come from? Right?

0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.520
<v Speaker 1>But what does it mean that it's a magnet? Like

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<v Speaker 1>if I just look at an electron, it has like

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<v Speaker 1>a north and south poll to it. Yes, exactly. Electrons

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<v Speaker 1>have their own little magnetic fields, even when they're not

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<v Speaker 1>moving in a circle, even if they're not moving at all,

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you suspended a like current, can you can

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<v Speaker 1>you do it? Yeah? Yeah, exactly. If you have an

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<v Speaker 1>electron just floating motionless in mid air, it will have

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<v Speaker 1>its own little magnet. And that's really weird to us now, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because we know that part of electrons and particles, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not like little balls or just points. Yes, exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>so the question of where does that magnet come from?

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<v Speaker 1>That's where this whole idea of spin came from. But

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<v Speaker 1>the other really weird thing they found was that the

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<v Speaker 1>magnets didn't point in every direction, Like if you just

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<v Speaker 1>throw a bunch of magnets through this device, if they're

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<v Speaker 1>all pointed in different directions. Right is just randomly oriented,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd expect them to get deflected in random directions. This

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<v Speaker 1>one goes left, this one goes right, this one goes

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit up, this one goes a little bit down.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, if they're randomly organized, they should go

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<v Speaker 1>in all sorts of directions, right, But what they found

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<v Speaker 1>was that they either went left or they went right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was not nothing in between, Like it's either left

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<v Speaker 1>or right and nothing else, like, those are your two options, really,

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<v Speaker 1>and no variations and how much right or how much left? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they all went exactly the same amount left or this

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<v Speaker 1>exactly the amount right? What, Yeah, exactly. And that's why

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<v Speaker 1>we call it quantum. Right, they have this little quantum

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic field. The amazing thing is that, say, then you

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<v Speaker 1>rotate the device, you're like, okay, rotated ninety degrees. Maybe

0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:22.360
<v Speaker 1>you were measuring it on the X axis. Now you're

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<v Speaker 1>measuring on the y axis, right, so you're imagining, okay, well,

0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe these particles just you know, we're somehow weirdly oriented

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<v Speaker 1>along the x axis, so they either go left or right.

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<v Speaker 1>So then rotate your device ninety degrees. Then all the

0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:39.320
<v Speaker 1>particles either move up or down right. No matter how

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<v Speaker 1>you orient the device, the particles either go along the

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<v Speaker 1>magnet or against it. Right. So it's not like a

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like a real magnetic field, right, it's something weirder.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like a real magnetic field. Exactly like a

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic it's like a magnetic field. And that's that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>where we what they struggled with. They're like, Okay, this

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<v Speaker 1>has some property. It's something is generating this magnet, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's definitely quantum mechanical in some weird way because we

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<v Speaker 1>have all these weird properties. Like another weird thing about

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<v Speaker 1>this magnetic devices. So you send a bunch of electrons

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<v Speaker 1>through and you split them um left and right. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>then you take the left beam, only the left beam,

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<v Speaker 1>and you split them through a device that's rotated ninety

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<v Speaker 1>degrees that goes up and down. Then they split up

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<v Speaker 1>and down right, even though beforehand they would only split

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<v Speaker 1>left and right. Wait, what if you take the left beam,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that the ones that went left? What if

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<v Speaker 1>you try to split them up again? Horizontally. Do they

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<v Speaker 1>all go left again, Yes, they do. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>split them left right, and you take the left beam,

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<v Speaker 1>then you split them up down, you take the upbeam,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you try to split it left and right again,

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<v Speaker 1>then they mix they go both left and right. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it's quantum mechanical, yeah, because you can't you

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<v Speaker 1>can't measure this weird little quantum magnet that the electron has.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't measure it both in X and in y

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. It's the old Heisenberg uncertainty principle.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't know too much information about the universe. So

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<v Speaker 1>when you measure it in up, down, it mixes it

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<v Speaker 1>up again and left right. Whoa. It's like, oh, I see,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't measure the up and down and the left

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<v Speaker 1>and right at the same time. It's like them that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't know a particle where it is and where

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<v Speaker 1>it's going at the same time. The same thing applies

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<v Speaker 1>to the magnet exactly. And that's how we knew it

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<v Speaker 1>was a quantum mechanical property. Right, So we discovered this

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<v Speaker 1>weird thing about particles that they have their own little magnets,

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow this magnet is quantum mechanical, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, what could this be? All right, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>into what it could be and some of the weird

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<v Speaker 1>things about that. But first let's take a quick break, okay, Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>So people were measuring electrons and they found that they

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<v Speaker 1>have sort of like an inherent and inherent magnet inside

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<v Speaker 1>of electrons, and that it's quantum mechanical, meaning that it's

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<v Speaker 1>like really weird and you can't measure up and down

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<v Speaker 1>and left and right. That's right um, and so people

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<v Speaker 1>that's why people decide to call quantum spin. Yeah, even

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<v Speaker 1>though it's not really spinning, they just went for that name.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. They call it quantum spin. And so let's

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<v Speaker 1>try to figure out what do they mean by quantum spin?

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<v Speaker 1>What why did they call it quantum spin? Alright, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>quantum is pretty straightforward. It's definitely it's a property of particles,

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<v Speaker 1>and it behaves like other quantum things that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>know too much about it at the same time or

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<v Speaker 1>you can't measure the x and the y um direction

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<v Speaker 1>of at the same time. And also it's either up

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<v Speaker 1>or down, right, there's no in between, So it's quantized.

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<v Speaker 1>So the quantum stuff all right, I buy it. Right,

0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.040
<v Speaker 1>you should definitely call this quantum something. If you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>call it quantum spin or quantum banana, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>another question. But it should definitely have the quantum label. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like maybe they should have called it quantum

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<v Speaker 1>pole or something, you know, like something that references that,

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<v Speaker 1>because really you're trying to you're trying to capture this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the magnetic the direction of the magnetic field

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<v Speaker 1>of the electron, right, which is kind of like the pole. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what they what they did is they thought about what

0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:14.080
<v Speaker 1>generates magnetic polls, right, what generates magnetic fields. And we

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<v Speaker 1>know that a particle moving in a circle, right, like

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<v Speaker 1>orbiting for example, will generate a magnetic field. So then

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<v Speaker 1>they thought, maybe the particle is spinning. Maybe it's like

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<v Speaker 1>physically spinning. And if you imagine electron like it has

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<v Speaker 1>charge on it, think about the surface of the electron

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<v Speaker 1>has like little bits of its charge distributed across the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the image they had back then, not the

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<v Speaker 1>image that we use now. If that was spinning, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine that the spinning surface of the electron

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<v Speaker 1>could be basically particles moving in a circle and now

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<v Speaker 1>would generate a magnetic field. So they were like, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we've discovered that electrons can spin, right, but why

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<v Speaker 1>didn't they just call it like quantum poles and that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because because you were born a hundred years too late. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, that's what I'm saying. Totally. I'm officially nominating

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<v Speaker 1>you to be on the Secret Physics Naming Committee. I

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:06.720
<v Speaker 1>think you're you're great at this. I mean in the

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:08.840
<v Speaker 1>sense of people out there who might be trying to understand,

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<v Speaker 1>is you know, I mean they're enough is they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really um care what they call it a perthennial thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But if if they had called the quantum the quantum

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic pole or something like that, would that still be

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.560
<v Speaker 1>accurate and also maybe be easier to understand. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's accurate because it's describing the effect and not

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<v Speaker 1>the cause. Right. We think something is happening which generates

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<v Speaker 1>the magnetic field and these other properties. But what we'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to do is figure out what the cause of

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<v Speaker 1>it is, Like, what is the particle doing that generates

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<v Speaker 1>the magnetic field? Right? What is the source of it?

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<v Speaker 1>And does that give us insight into other stuff? And um,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out it does. Right, If we like to

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<v Speaker 1>think about the particles having this thing we call spin,

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<v Speaker 1>and we call it spin because it generates the magnetic field,

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<v Speaker 1>but also because the way the mathematics of the spin

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<v Speaker 1>is really similar to the mathematics of electrons in orbit.

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<v Speaker 1>M What do you mean it's similar? Well, the like

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<v Speaker 1>the mathematical language we use to like to describe it

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<v Speaker 1>is very very similar, right, And when you see it's

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<v Speaker 1>like some phenomenon A and you describe it mathematically, and

0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.680
<v Speaker 1>you see phenomenon being you describe mathematically and you notice

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<v Speaker 1>how look they're described by the same math, then you

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<v Speaker 1>have to wonder are they two sides of the same

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<v Speaker 1>coin or are they really the same thing? And so

0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.280
<v Speaker 1>people's people thought, oh, look at all this release relationships

0:23:26.320 --> 0:23:29.680
<v Speaker 1>between quantum between this thing we call quantum spin and

0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:32.960
<v Speaker 1>orbital angular momentum, you know, the angular momentum of something

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.600
<v Speaker 1>moving around in a circle. And it was a lot

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 1>of connections there, but they turned out to be wrong, right,

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Like I know, I know we were trying to do,

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.520
<v Speaker 1>but you sort of missed kind of well, yes and no, right,

0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:46.399
<v Speaker 1>that's the first way you think about quantum mechanics like

0:23:46.720 --> 0:23:51.199
<v Speaker 1>theoretically it does work, Physically it doesn't. So like theoretically

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.880
<v Speaker 1>it does, it works in this beautiful, really deep way

0:23:54.960 --> 0:23:59.000
<v Speaker 1>because um, what we know, for example, is that angular

0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 1>momentum is conserved. Right, Like momentum is this property of

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.879
<v Speaker 1>particles to keep going in the direction they're going. Angular

0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.919
<v Speaker 1>momentum is property particles to keep spinning the way they

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>were spinning, right, And we know that angler momentum is conserved.

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:14.159
<v Speaker 1>If you start something spinning, it's going to keep spinning

0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:18.000
<v Speaker 1>until you stop it. Now, what's what's conserved is total

0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:20.560
<v Speaker 1>angle momentum, not the anglementum of like one thing. So

0:24:20.880 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 1>you spin a top right, and you can stop it

0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:26.640
<v Speaker 1>by touching it against another top, which then takes its

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.080
<v Speaker 1>spin right. So the total spin of those two tops

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:32.639
<v Speaker 1>is conserved. Well, the fascinating thing is that while we

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know what spin is, we know that orribital, angular

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:39.919
<v Speaker 1>momentum and spin are conserved together, like the some of

0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:43.679
<v Speaker 1>them is conserved, so you can change the spin of

0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 1>some particle and and it will influence its angular momentum. Right,

0:24:49.400 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 1>what do you need to conserve is the some of

0:24:51.280 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 1>those two things, which tells you that spin really is

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 1>like a kind of angular momentum. Fundamentally, theoretically, these really

0:24:58.680 --> 0:25:02.680
<v Speaker 1>are related thing, Like a particle has that kind of

0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 1>quite angular momentum, and so it's approble to call it spin. Yes,

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:11.160
<v Speaker 1>it's some kind of intrinsic angular momentum. Like you can

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>transfer angular momentum from orbital from the orbital kind to

0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the spin kind and back right, which tells you that

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 1>they really are two kinds of the same thing, that

0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.679
<v Speaker 1>in some way the division between them is just in

0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 1>our minds. It's just mathematical. Oh, I see, So you're

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>saying it's some kind of spin, it's some kind of

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a rotation. Yes, exactly. So it's like spin. It's like

0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 1>spin exactly. And so it's really I got you, I

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:40.000
<v Speaker 1>got you. Yeah, you admit it on air that horror

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Chand was right. They should be called like spin. It

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>should be called like spin. I completely in totally agree

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 1>with you. There you go. But I guess that the

0:25:50.680 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 1>question is, like, so they called they decided to call

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:55.520
<v Speaker 1>it spin because it's sort of like it, like real spin.

0:25:55.640 --> 0:26:00.480
<v Speaker 1>But I guess the question is are these particles actually spinning? Right?

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.639
<v Speaker 1>And that's the fascinating part is that they can't I

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>mean particles are points, right, they have no volume. We

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:10.080
<v Speaker 1>were talking earlier about the idea of a particle with

0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 1>a surface and maybe bits of it on the surface

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.120
<v Speaker 1>we're spinning like the surface was rotating and the bits

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 1>of charge removing in a circle to generate a magnetic field.

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:21.439
<v Speaker 1>That's hogwash, Like that can't happen because particles don't have

0:26:21.560 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>a size. Right, Electronics, as far as we know, has

0:26:24.920 --> 0:26:28.160
<v Speaker 1>zero size. Like the one side of it is exactly

0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the same place as the other side of it, so

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to spin. You can't turn around a point

0:26:34.160 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and has no direction. It's like a vector of zero length,

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:40.439
<v Speaker 1>Like there's no the distance between one end of the

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>particle and the other end of the particle for them

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.720
<v Speaker 1>to be sort of moving at different in different directions. Right,

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 1>exactly because it's a point particle. Yeah, you spin the

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.320
<v Speaker 1>particle and it's exactly the same as it was before. Right,

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 1>there's no direction to it. Right, But what isn't it

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of maybe a philosophical question, like maybe a particle

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a point can't spin? Who's is a point can't spin?

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:05.600
<v Speaker 1>You just can't see it. I just said it. That's

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:10.160
<v Speaker 1>not enough for you. I'm only a like physicist. You're liked.

0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 1>You're well liked, Daniel. Um. No, imagine a imagintive vector right,

0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:18.639
<v Speaker 1>imagintive vector right, which is a length and a direction. Okay, Um,

0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 1>that can spin right, you can turn it ninety degrees

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>or degrees or whatever like an arrow. Like an arrow exactly.

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 1>But if an arrow has zero length, what direction is

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.520
<v Speaker 1>it pointing in the one that I told, the one

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:34.159
<v Speaker 1>that it decides to have. I don't know this quantum stuff. No,

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>it has no directive, has no length. It can't have

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 1>a direction, right, because the direction would imply a length. Right,

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>But you're sort of telling me that it does kind

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of have a direction, right, It kind of has like spin, Yeah,

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>it has some property. It can't spin physically, like, it

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:48.760
<v Speaker 1>can't spin in the way that we would spin a

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>tennis ball. Right. It definitely cannot do that. Also, these

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 1>other problems, like if you imagine an electron, if you say, well,

0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.080
<v Speaker 1>we don't really know. Maybe an electron does have a size, right,

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.639
<v Speaker 1>you haven't seen it. It maybe does. Well, you know,

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:04.000
<v Speaker 1>if you say, we know the size of electron has

0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:06.480
<v Speaker 1>to be less than like ten to the minus twenty meters,

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>because that's the most best resolution we have we have

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>on our biggest particle accelerators, and then you calculate, like, well,

0:28:12.800 --> 0:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>how fast would the service the electron be spinning? Will

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>it be spinning faster than the speed of light? So

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>it's definitely not happening. And these are not tiny, little

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:25.720
<v Speaker 1>actually spinning balls, right. But this always happens when we

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 1>try to describe something quantum mechanical in terms of something

0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 1>that's not right. You have the tennis ball or the

0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:33.280
<v Speaker 1>baseball spinning in your head and you're trying to use

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:35.359
<v Speaker 1>that as a model, and it works for a while

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 1>until it doesn't. And it doesn't work because this thing

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 1>is not a tiny ball, right, It's some weird thing

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 1>and it has some weird property. The amazing thing is

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>this spin property is really similar to this other thing

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>we do understand, right. I think maybe the problem is

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that you're saying that um like precision wise, like where

0:28:55.600 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 1>it's constituent matter is can't rotate in space, right, But

0:29:01.640 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>you're saying that it has other properties other than position

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>of its constituent matter that do sort of have a

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 1>preferred direction. Yes, exactly, it has. That's why we call

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>it intrinsic spin because it has some property which is

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.480
<v Speaker 1>very similar mathematically to spin, but we know it's not

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>actually spinning. So like intrinsic is like is the physics

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 1>version of like right, because well, it's intrinsic spin. It's

0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>like some kind of spin. Right, So you're saying that

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.959
<v Speaker 1>that it's a point, but it is kind of spinning.

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying it's a point and it has some weird

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>property which is related to physical spin, but it's not.

0:29:38.000 --> 0:29:41.480
<v Speaker 1>But mathematically it's kind of equivalent. Before we keep going,

0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>let's take a short break. It's really quite fascinating, and

0:29:56.840 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>you know it's amazing too. It's to look at the

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 1>history because they did these experiments in twenties and the

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 1>twenties was also when they were figuring out quantum mechanics,

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>like they're like, how does this thing work? And they're

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 1>still trying to put the math together. And when they

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>were trying to put together the math for relativistic quantum mechanics,

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like the quantum mechanics of tiny particles moving

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>really fast, they discovered it didn't work. It only worked

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>if you added some new hidden variable to the electrons,

0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:25.320
<v Speaker 1>like there had to be two kinds of them, not

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.239
<v Speaker 1>just anti particles and particles, but every electron also had

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.719
<v Speaker 1>to have this other weird hidden property and then they

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>called it spin, and it's the same. It turned out

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>to be the same spin that the other physics we're

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.840
<v Speaker 1>looking at, Yes, exactly. It all converged beautifully, and they

0:30:39.880 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>were like to ching, look at this, Oh my god,

0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:45.320
<v Speaker 1>it all makes sense now we understand those experiments, right,

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 1>and so you need spin, like quantum mechanics doesn't work

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.600
<v Speaker 1>without spin, Like the Lorenz group and quantum field theory,

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>all that has has been deeply built inside of it,

0:30:56.760 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 1>so we know it's a thing and theoretically it makes sense.

0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Do you mean it needed like a hidden variable? What

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>does that mean? Like it needed needing it like an

0:31:05.240 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>extra space, like an extra variable attached to it for

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the math to like. Yeah, think about an electron is

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>having labels, right, like it has certain mass, that has

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 1>a certain position, has certain direction whatever. Every electron also

0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:21.880
<v Speaker 1>has to have this other label. You know, it's either

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:24.840
<v Speaker 1>up or down. Right, Remember this is spin, so it's

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>not like you're spinning at some random speed. It's quantum spin.

0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>So there's only two options up or down. And so

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>every electron has to have this weird label you're spinning

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 1>up or you're spinning down, and that makes a difference,

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>like when you fill out atomic orbitals. Right, No, two

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>electrons can be in the same orbital because their fermions

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 1>they don't like to share. But an electron that spin

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:48.719
<v Speaker 1>up is different from an electron that spin down. So

0:31:48.760 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>you can have two electrons in the ground state because

0:31:51.760 --> 0:31:54.880
<v Speaker 1>they have this weird sort of hidden thing that's different

0:31:54.920 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>about them, like black on the red or it's like

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the exception to the probably exclusion, right, it's like it

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.600
<v Speaker 1>lets you go around it, right. It's why you can

0:32:03.640 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>have two atoms in the ground state where otherwise the

0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 1>poll exclusion principle, well tell you can't. It's because, well,

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 1>they're not really in the ground state. There's two ground states.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.480
<v Speaker 1>You can have a ground state for up and a

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>ground state for down. Right, But it's not really up

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:19.960
<v Speaker 1>and down, right, it's only up and down if you

0:32:20.000 --> 0:32:22.880
<v Speaker 1>measure it up and down. It's up and down along

0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>whatever direction you measure. So if you measure it in X,

0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.760
<v Speaker 1>every electron will say I'm up or I'm down. If

0:32:28.760 --> 0:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>then you measure it in why, every electron will say, oh,

0:32:31.200 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm up or I'm down, but they get mixed up. Right,

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>So there are the quantum mechanically confusing because they're either

0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.440
<v Speaker 1>up or down in X and then later your upper

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.120
<v Speaker 1>down and why which makes misses up your upper downness

0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 1>and X. It's very complicated. So you're saying that electrons

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 1>can like talk essentially it's a way to communicate. Yeah, um.

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 1>And and this is why um. This comes up all

0:32:55.800 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 1>the time in like quantum computing, because you can use

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.840
<v Speaker 1>electrons as sort of a cube bit. Right is it

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>spin up or is it spin down? Electron can be

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>in two states and it's like a nice map from

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>a classical bit which is zero or one. So these

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>quantum mechanical properties are nice because they have two states. Right,

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 1>So electrons are spin up or spin down. Um. So

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that's why it comes up all the time. And also

0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 1>in quantum entanglement, like you you have some particle, create

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 1>two electrons, well to conserve anglo momentum, one has to

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 1>be spin up and one has to be spinned down.

0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh really Yeah, when you when you create them out

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:31.959
<v Speaker 1>of nothing or out of something else, they can they

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>can't both come out the same spin. Yeah. Well, for example,

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>z bosons can have spin zero. WHOA, what does that

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:41.160
<v Speaker 1>even mean, Daniel? It has no things, which is not

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>really like spin. It's actually it's actually even more complicated.

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Z Bosons have a total spin of one. That's like

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>the length of their spin. But this is a vector,

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.479
<v Speaker 1>so it can point in different directions, which means they

0:33:52.480 --> 0:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>have three waves to spin. So particles like electrons are

0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>called spin one half particles. They have one half of

0:33:59.840 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>a unit to spin, which means they can be spin

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 1>up one half or down one half. Z Bosons have

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:07.760
<v Speaker 1>spin one, right, so they can be spinned plus one

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:11.840
<v Speaker 1>or minus one or zero. So z bosons have three

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>different ways to spin, whereas electrons have two ways to spin.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty weird it considered like spin one way or

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:21.200
<v Speaker 1>the other way or not at all. Yes, exactly. But

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>if you have a z boson with spin zero and

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 1>it decays into an electron and a positron, then one

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:29.359
<v Speaker 1>of them has to be spin up and the other

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:31.800
<v Speaker 1>one has to be spinned down so that they add

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>up to the original angular momentum of the z boson,

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.680
<v Speaker 1>which was zero. What if a plus one then it

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.479
<v Speaker 1>turns into an electron and a positron which are spinning

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>in the same direction. So they add those two one

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>halves add up to one. I'm gonna pretend I understood that. Well,

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:51.399
<v Speaker 1>that's the cool thing about it is that the math

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>of this is really similar. You can use all the

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:56.600
<v Speaker 1>math you developed for like angler momentum and understanding spin

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:58.959
<v Speaker 1>orbitals and stuff like that, you can use that same

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:02.359
<v Speaker 1>math to understands been which is really compelling to me.

0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Tells me that theoretically we're dealing with a very similar topic, right,

0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:09.760
<v Speaker 1>or maybe the math we had to understand angular momentum

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>matches the physics of quantum particles, right, yes, exactly when

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the Mathew describing matches the physics, then that success, right,

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>that says, oh, look I've described it. I've gotten some inside.

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's all we can ever do writ is

0:35:22.200 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 1>hope that the math describes the physics, right, You know

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>what I mean is like um, maybe maybe if you

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't called it spin, you called it quantum blukity book, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then reconsidering nominating you for that committee after that?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you have against the blukaty books? I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know how to spell it anyway. All right, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say we had quantum blukaty blok. Yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 1>later you find out that angular momentum behaves like quantum

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<v Speaker 1>blukity bluk, then that would be which one would be

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<v Speaker 1>more correct? Right? We don't work correct? Well, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>using the same math for both of them, then you're done.

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<v Speaker 1>And there it's really just a question of how you

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<v Speaker 1>name it. Right. In the end, it's the math, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Then the physics is really about the math and not

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<v Speaker 1>the names. In the end, it's about the equations on

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<v Speaker 1>the paper and and and they're the structures and however

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So really you could have called it anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but you picked spin because it's sort of related to

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<v Speaker 1>something that we people had knowledge about, or people have

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<v Speaker 1>kind of intuitive understanding about, that's right, And because we

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<v Speaker 1>think it really is a kind of angular momentum. What

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<v Speaker 1>kind is it? And are these things really spinning? And

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<v Speaker 1>why do electrons have intrinsic angle momentum? That we have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea, but it seems to be necessary to make

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<v Speaker 1>quantum field theory work. It seems to be a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of angular momentum. It's definitely a real thing, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a mystery, and it's something I like to

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<v Speaker 1>think about like, why are you doing the electron, why

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<v Speaker 1>are you spinning this way? What? What is making you

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<v Speaker 1>generate that magnetic field? Yeah, exactly exactly, Well I guess so.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the answer is what it's quantum? Say, it's um.

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<v Speaker 1>It's some property of electrons um that sort of behaves

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<v Speaker 1>similar to rotation. But we don't really know what it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's there, it's real, and it's definitely not actually spinning.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not just electrons, right, All particles have some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of spin. There's particles with half integer spin we

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<v Speaker 1>call them fermions, and all the matter particles and like that,

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<v Speaker 1>electrons and quarks, and then there's particles with integer spin,

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<v Speaker 1>like bosons, like photons and ws and zs and gluons

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<v Speaker 1>and those kind of particles. And that's actually the way

0:37:26.719 --> 0:37:29.279
<v Speaker 1>we distinguish them. Right, Fermions have half endeger spin and

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<v Speaker 1>bosons have integer spin. So it's a it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>an important deal. Like in the particle world, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. Right, And you meet a new particle, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to know what is its spin. The Higgs, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>is spin zero. It's the only particle we know that

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<v Speaker 1>has no spin at all and never can spin. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the only particle we've ever found that can never spin. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>now you're just messing with basic arithmetic. Man. You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's zero, can only be zero. If it's one,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be zero when mine is you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like you're using the same words to describe

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<v Speaker 1>things that means anyways, Okay, I should be more careful

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<v Speaker 1>when I say what it means for a particle have

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of spin. When we say a particle

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<v Speaker 1>spin one, what we mean is that the length of

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<v Speaker 1>its spin vector is one, and that vector can point

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<v Speaker 1>in different directions, and the individual particle can have spin

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<v Speaker 1>plus one, zero or minus one if it's a spin

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<v Speaker 1>one particle. If a particle spin one half, that's like

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<v Speaker 1>the length of its spin vector, then it's spin vector

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<v Speaker 1>con point either plus one half or minus one half.

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<v Speaker 1>Those guys can't be zero. It's like, it's like arithmetic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not really Yeah, that's what I mean. It would

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<v Speaker 1>just be so much easier to understand, you guys if

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<v Speaker 1>you just said, instead of saying it's quantum spin, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like spin. All right, I'm gonna say it's like

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<v Speaker 1>spin from now on, and we'll see how many weird

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<v Speaker 1>eyebrow races I get in my physics conversations. Yeah, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you'll probably get weird eyebrows in your physics department.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying, if you're talking to people out there

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<v Speaker 1>in the street, are you suggesting there's like more unibrows

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<v Speaker 1>in the physics department than in your average street more unibrows,

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<v Speaker 1>one weird eyebrows man. All right, well, that's what quantum

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<v Speaker 1>spin is. I know it's confusing and it's complicated, but

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<v Speaker 1>we hope we at least brought you up to speed

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<v Speaker 1>to where the physics community is. And remember, even physicists,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really know what quantum spin is. And all

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<v Speaker 1>those grad students I asked, what, how would you explain

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<v Speaker 1>quantum spin to a random person on the street, They

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<v Speaker 1>got themselves tangled up and by their tongues as well.

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