1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy Roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. 3 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I am very excited. We are pulling 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: back the curtain on a story that you may think 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: you know thanks to Hulu's Welcome to Chippendale's. But let 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: me tell you something. The real version is even wilder. 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: And our guest today is Jay Schwartz, now a legendary 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: Hollywood publicist, but back in the eighties he was deep 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: inside the rise of Chippendale's New York. Jay knew everybody, 10 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: all the players. He witnessed the chaos firsthand, and he 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: knew Nick Denoya before his shocking murder. I am so 12 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: excited to talk to Jay about all the stories that 13 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: never made it on screen, the personalities behind the scenes, 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: and the moment that it all turned dangerous. Jay, Welcome 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: to Killer Thriller. 16 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for having me. I excited to 17 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 2: be here. 18 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: I am so excited to be here, and I honestly 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: I have to so you can see, I have like 20 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: seventeen thousand pages of notes, and so I first of all, 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: I will tell you my what I thought Chimmndales was. 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: This was an eighty I was born in nineteen seventy one. 23 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: So I was like, ten, eleven and twelve, what all 24 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: was happening? All I remember were the commercials, and it 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this just seems like, you know, handsome 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: guys with just dancing with their shirts off, and that's 27 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: that's all there is to it. So I had no 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: idea that there were multiple murders, that people were like 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: sleeping together and like I thought, it was like nice 30 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: buttoned up white ladies going to watch men, you know, 31 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: just kind of dance. 32 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: Well, there were one thing is true. They were nice 33 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: white ladies showing up to do that. In New York 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: it's called the Bridge and Tunnel crowd. But they were 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: far from innocent, these women, they were far from innocent. 36 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 2: So the Chippendale's, the idea of Chippendale's, let me go 37 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 2: back a little bit. Okay, Chippendale's is not what people 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: thought it was. Right. Chippendale started in Los Angeles, right, 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: the story of Chippendale's that has been portrayed, portrayed on 40 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: every podcast, and this show is not the story of Chippendale. 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: Okay, So tell us what I okay, very quickly, We'll 42 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: tell you this story of Welcome to Chippendale's, which is 43 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: the Hulu series, is phenomenal cast. I want to know 44 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: what you think about the cast as well, but everybody 45 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: is compelling, and I mean Juliet Lewis, Annelie Ashford. Anyway, 46 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: the cast is phenomenal. Juliet Lewis is like a star 47 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 1: of the first order. So that people know this show, 48 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: welcome to Chippendale's. Becaus is on the rise of the club, 49 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: first starting in La and then it comes to New 50 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: York becomes an international phenomenon thanks in large part to 51 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: Nick Denia. 52 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: Whom you know and wh is my boss? 53 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: Who was your boss and then you're going to tell 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: us how you got involved in New York And he 55 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: was really the creative mind behind the show. Right, So 56 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: this series is really through the lens of Steve Bannerjee 57 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: who was the businessman behind it and began it in La. 58 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:32,679 Speaker 2: So yes, but to go back just one step, when 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: you said you know women coming into it was these 60 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: women weren't if you think that men were sleazy when 61 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: they went to strip clubs, didn't hold the candle to 62 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: these really. 63 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: So because also I remember watching and thinking aren't these 64 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: all gay men? Like I didn't understand like, this is 65 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: what women wanted. Women wanted to see this. I'm like, 66 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: is there something wrong with me? 67 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: Well, because it wasn't. You didn't know what it really was, right, 68 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 2: I didn't. And the only gay guys in the New 69 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: York club where our you know, backup dancers, was our 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: true interesting And so I will get into New York 71 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: and what the show was and how it was and 72 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: what Nick's vision was. But tell me where you're were. 73 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: So how do I know? There are so many places? 74 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: So tell us how did you meet Nick? How did 75 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: you come to be involved in Chippendale's In the first place. 76 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: I worked for a Broadway producer named Fred Zolo, and 77 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: at the time he was dating a woman he's now 78 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: married to, Barbara Rockley. At the time he was he 79 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 2: was dating a woman named Barbara Leggetty. So I worked 80 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: in a. 81 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: PR now right, a broaddy producer. 82 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I was working in an office. First, I was 83 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: doing publicity for a company called Burnham Calla, which was 84 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: my second job. My first job I had worked for Salters, 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: Ruskin and Friedman, and at that time in the eighties, 86 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: the two big PR companies were Salters Ruskin and Friedman, 87 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: who handled Sinatra and Barbara Streisan and Rogerson Cowan, those 88 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: were the two. 89 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: Big oh, yep, yep. 90 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: I left there, got a job at Burnhaman Callahan was 91 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: working there and Fred Zolo rented an office a space 92 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: out of there. I was all about entertainment and getting 93 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: into this world. I studied acting in school in Long Island, 94 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: and Barbara was a club promoter, you know, she threw parties, 95 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: Broadway openings, parties, opening nights, and she got approached from 96 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: a club called Magique. So in New York at the time, 97 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: the biggest clubs were Studio fifty four, Magique Area, and 98 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: like Light. 99 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: Oh that's even Limelight that those were around even when 100 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: I moved into the city in eighty nine, ninety yeah. 101 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: And it was wild as you can imagine the eighties were. 102 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: And so Barbara got a call from the owners of Magique, 103 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 2: who they had worked you know, they worked together, and 104 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: they said, you know, we're doing this club. We're bringing Chippendales, 105 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: which no one really needed to know. No, no, I 106 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: mean you heard of it, but you didn't really know 107 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: what it was. And we're bringing it to New York. 108 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: And so the concept was from six to ten, the 109 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 2: club was Chippendale's from ten to four. It was a 110 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: regular club. 111 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: So now you have to imagine I'm catching. 112 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: They they rebuilt the club into the interior of the club, 113 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: and we were hiring and rehearsing everything all during that summer. 114 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: You were hiring the dance. 115 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 2: I went ahead. So Barbara told them they can't. She 116 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 2: couldn't do it, but she had somebody who could do it. 117 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: And she came to me and said, I want you 118 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: to meet with this guy named Nick Denoya, and I 119 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: think this would be perfect. And I was hesitant because 120 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: I wanted to work on Broadway. We were we had 121 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: just opened a show called Hurley Burley right on Broadway. 122 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, and no, no, just go and do 123 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: that and you can come back to this. I said, okay. 124 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: So I went and had dinner with Nick at a 125 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: restaurant that's no longer there, but I used to go 126 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: there all the time, called JRS. I was on forty 127 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 2: sixth Street and we're in the restaurant and he's just 128 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: smoking his cigarettes along and being him and says, okay, 129 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 2: you know, come work for me. 130 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: And so he so the people know. He was like 131 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: considered the creative mind that he wanted to make it 132 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: a real right. 133 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: So nip My idea was unlike la Nick was. He 134 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 2: portrayed himself as way more successful than he was, so 135 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: he wanted. 136 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: This highly unusual in Los Angeles. 137 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: But he had won two Emmys for this called Unicorn Tail, 138 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: which was a children's show. 139 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Ironically, yeah, I do find that odd but right. 140 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 2: And so his idea was to make this as closed 141 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: to a Broadway show as possible because he was not 142 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: getting the Broadway right right. So they made the club 143 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 2: and how to get in the club, and what the 144 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: show was about very similar to doing a Broadway show. 145 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 2: We had a choreographer, we had music, we had a 146 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: box office. You could call in and make reservations, get tickets. 147 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 2: It was on to Catron that hired a Broadway publicist 148 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: to come and do that. 149 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: And was that all his idea to do was that 150 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: his the. 151 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 2: Was his idea to do it like that, right, you 152 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 2: know there were different numbers, yep. But he also said 153 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: the opening of the show. His idea of Chippendale's was 154 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: more burlesque, not the sleazy strip shows that men would 155 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: go to see women undressed, but more like gypsy Rosalie 156 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: believing more. 157 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: To right, like he understood that women didn't want to 158 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: just look at a good looking man like they We 159 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: need more depth, We need some kind of an emotional 160 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: interest or some kind of like sensuality to a point, right. 161 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 2: Because this club that six hundred people right doors would 162 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: open that six o'clock. 163 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: In six o'clock, like, let's think about this, that's quite early. Yes, 164 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: that's like early bird special dinner. 165 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: Hour show didn't start till eight. 166 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: Oh, you're kidding. Some people are getting smashed, okay, and 167 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: getting smashed so long time. 168 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 2: No men were allowed in the club, right, So this 169 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: is all women, which is what made this all work 170 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 2: because it was all women. And more importantly, the rules 171 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: of Chippendale were Chippendale's is a Disneyland for ladies. So 172 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 2: when you're a good looking guy, you know how to 173 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 2: be six feet abs ripped the spandex pants with nothing 174 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: left to the imagination, cuffs, collars, bow tie. 175 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: Did you have anything to do with casting these people? 176 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: Did you have to interview any of them? 177 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: That's what I did? 178 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: You did? 179 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 2: I did all hiring and firing. 180 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: You did? So wait, what was the criteria? I heard? 181 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: There was a said six foot and good looking? You know, 182 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: and i'd have to say to the guys, take your 183 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 2: shirt off. That was uncomfortable for me to do because 184 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: I don't tell guys. 185 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: To take right. 186 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,079 Speaker 2: So but I arranged it. You know, in the office 187 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 2: is where the guys would come to meet me. But 188 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: I had a room full of women, you know who 189 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: worked in the office, right, so they would go like 190 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 2: the you know, raise their thumb or lower their thumb. 191 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: Well, you're kidding. It was like the secret. 192 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: But again, after a while, it was just take a 193 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: shirt off, you know. It was just like it didn't matter. 194 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: It didn't have this of a guy saying to another guy, 195 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: take your shirt off, because in the beginning that was uncomfortable. 196 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 2: But the guys who we hired, waiters, hosts, bus boys, even. 197 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: Yes, so everyone that worked there was male, correct, right. 198 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: Except our costume girl was Amy. 199 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: She was she so to talking about the series. Also, 200 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: Juliette Lewis plays a character called Barbara Coughlin. I don't 201 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: know who that's, right, So they they say that she's 202 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: more of like a composite character to represent a bunch 203 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: of different people. But I think that probably she might 204 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: mostly resemble Candice Maren. Maren is that the names. Oh wait, 205 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: you're shaking your head. I was gonna say, tell me 206 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: that you love her because she just seems so ballsy 207 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: and like bananas. Don't like her? 208 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: Tell me what, let's go back. Oh no, it just 209 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: so Chippendale's Disneyland ladies. And here are the rules of 210 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: working at Chippendale's. When a woman comes in the door, 211 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: you're talking to her. You no matter what she looks like, 212 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 2: what ethnicity she is, interesting, You're talking to this one 213 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: person right in front of you. Doesn't matter who else 214 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: comes in here. This is the person you're talking to. 215 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 2: So the idea was, you need to make this woman 216 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: feel she's the most important woman in the world. Yeah, 217 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: that's a part of the fantasy. And that's what Chippendale's, right. 218 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: That's very very smart, Like that is a really good 219 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: way to do things. 220 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 2: And then the opening of our show, you know on 221 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: the video screens was Chippendale's was burlesque images of women 222 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: and men, you know, throughout the ages. 223 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 4: So it was really showing you that this was a 224 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 4: show and you had tickets for the show and it 225 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: was a real experience. And so I give that to Nick. 226 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 4: Nick idea for all of that was perfect. It really was, 227 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: and it that's what made the club so successful. 228 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But. 229 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: There are a lot of other elements that came in. 230 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 2: You know, in the very beginning, it was me and Nick. 231 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: We brought in the choreographer from here, who was the 232 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: La Rams choreographer. Her name was Nancy Gregory. And you know, 233 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: then we brought in a few dancers from LA to 234 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: open the club right here. But then we had to 235 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: hire a staff for the club, so host, waiters, bar boys, 236 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: you know, bar backs. They all had to be good 237 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 2: looking guys too. That was the rule. Everybody who worked 238 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: here had to be gorgeous. How to be good looking 239 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 2: because you're walking around without a shirt, right. This club 240 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: very very different than the LA Club. And I'll say again, 241 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with the LA Club. 242 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: So you you feel like the Los Angeles one was 243 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: a bit more seedy, a little more direct in terms 244 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: of yes, and the thing is about taking your clothes 245 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: off and women all the things. 246 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that New York didn't that that didn't 247 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 2: happen in New York, but the New York club was 248 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 2: much classier. So what happened when the New York Club 249 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: opened Chippendale's. You know, people heard of Chippendale's and it 250 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: was successful in Los Angeles, but when New York opened, 251 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: that's what put Chippendale's on the mast. So our standards 252 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: were much much higher, you know. And it is very 253 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: specific about who you're hiring. You know. When I used 254 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: to go to the Jersey Shore down to Belmar in 255 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: the summers, and people found out who I was on 256 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: the beach and there was this one guy, Tony of course, 257 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: of course it is his name from Jersey, and he 258 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: would a song. You know, everybody have their boomboxes, and 259 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: the specific song came on so many men so little time. 260 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: It was the song. It was a really good dance song, 261 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: and whenever it came on the radio, you know, he 262 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: would get up in the middle of the beach and 263 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: start dancing to this song and his little reds every week, 264 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: right and everyone on the beach would yell out, Hey, Jay, look, 265 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 2: Tony's dancing for you. I was like, you know, and 266 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 2: he was a good looking guy and his body was good, 267 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: but he was too short. 268 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 1: But what I mean, but I would have hired him. 269 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: Or had that not have been I would have hired him. 270 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: Is that you know, being hired there, you have to 271 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: have a certain personality, you have to know what you're 272 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 2: getting in, right of course. Okay, so that's that La 273 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: club a lot. I'm not going to say a lot 274 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 2: of what was portray because I don't know the people 275 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: who wrote the books. I don't know how they got 276 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: the information. But it's inaccurate. Yeah, I think it's inaccurate. 277 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: What do you think is you've you've watched the series, Yes, 278 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: welcome to him, Jell. So what do you think is 279 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: the most what's the thing? You are like? This is 280 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: totally wrong. 281 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:37,360 Speaker 2: The way the guys looked. No disrespect to those actors, 282 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: but they were not good looking guys. And again no 283 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: disrespect and. 284 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: No shade, but more kind of like, uh, you know. 285 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: You had a bald guy, you had a pot belly, 286 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: and nobody had hair on their chest except oh, really, 287 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 2: like we had one guy, Mike. 288 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. I remember all of the images Miying had. 289 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 2: He was the only one who had hair on his chest. 290 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 2: Nobody else did. And in watching this, they had one 291 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 2: guy also hair on his chest and a beard and 292 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: long hair. None of the people who worked in New 293 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: York had beards. You got to be clean. 294 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: Shaped, hat to be clean shaven. 295 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: I mean, mustache was okay, but that was the only similarity, 296 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: you know, that guy and Mike. But everybody else who 297 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: worked there, they were not good looking enough. And Steve 298 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: would not have that club. 299 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you feel the tension between Steve being in 300 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: LA and Nick being in New York? And like, what 301 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: was what was this? 302 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: I was in the middle of it. You have to understand. 303 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 2: You have Steve in Los Angeles. Steve was an Indian man, 304 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: you know, from Bombay. He'd show up on Friday nights 305 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: every so often in a tan suit and sandals from India, 306 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 2: and he'd come in, wouldn't let anyone know he was 307 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 2: coming because there was no man in the club, remember, 308 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: and just to check on his club. See he would 309 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: know what he was coming. We did not know. Wow. 310 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: And I used to speak to Steve all the time. Personally, 311 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: I liked Steve. Steve was always very good to me. 312 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: You felt like he was a nice guy to me. 313 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: Yes, you know there were times where I would be 314 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: yelling at him on the phone, saying, what's wrong with you? 315 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:36,440 Speaker 2: Does California turned the sun there turned your brains to mush? What? 316 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 2: What's aggressive, arrogant New Yorker who because and it was ridiculous. 317 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 2: I need you to send me new cod pieces that 318 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: light up. I need more more. 319 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: So he's all bent out of shape about cod pieces, 320 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: not him me. You are saying to him, you need 321 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 1: to send me these things right. 322 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: Because they're not working anymore. You need to send me 323 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: new ones. I need more cuffs and collars. I need 324 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: more bow ties. I like because this is what it 325 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: took to make the show, right. So you know, now, 326 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: knowing what I know, I probably wouldn't have been so 327 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: aggressive to Yeah, you were hit list that he was 328 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,640 Speaker 2: a murderer. I mean, you know, but he would come 329 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 2: into New York and take me out to lunch and 330 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 2: take me to dinner with his wife and his newborn children, 331 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: and really liked him. 332 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: So was his wife, as was she as kind of 333 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: I did not know. I seemed like she's very smart, 334 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: and she's very capable, and really was kind of keeping 335 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: the wheels on the bus for a little bit. 336 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: I really don't know what Irene did. I do know 337 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 2: Irene was very quiet always when she was with me, 338 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: when we went to lunch and dinner and with the children. 339 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 2: So I did not know that Irene was involved in 340 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: the club. So for me, I you know, I don't know. 341 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: That right, because that makes it seem in the show, 342 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: they also make it seem as though she was very right, 343 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: and I think evolved. 344 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 2: That was whoever wrote this book took a lot of liberties. Liberties, 345 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 2: you know, so what about all of the things. But no, 346 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: just let me answer your previous question. Nobody liked Neck 347 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: really in today's world. And this is how I described Neck. 348 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 2: He was a cross between Harvey Weinstein and Scott rudin O. 349 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: On top of. 350 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: I've worked on top, I've met Harvey, so. 351 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 2: On top of being in the closet, but he was 352 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: all about very flamboyant. 353 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: Oh really, So that's almost like that's a very sort 354 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: of it's the word I'm looking for, you know. It's 355 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: like if he's in the classe. But he's almost tempting, 356 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: taunting people to sort of say something about him, like 357 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: that's a very aggressive sort of way to behave. 358 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,960 Speaker 2: So he would so I'd get guys to come in, 359 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: you know, we'd make appointments. Before I hired them. Nick 360 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 2: had to see him, so it was always the they 361 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 2: you know, take your shirt off one particular day. You know, 362 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: it was like before the club was opening, you know, 363 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: the guys were coming in to get ready and this 364 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 2: I had this guy come in and Nick came in 365 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 2: because he knew he had to be there for this. 366 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: And you know, I said, you know, whatever his name was, 367 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: you know, take off your shirt. And Nick was standing 368 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 2: there and now this is in front of all the 369 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: guys that worked in the club that you know, we're 370 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: getting ready. Nick would say, this is what he said. 371 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 2: I'll never forget this. Hmm delicious. Oh, and that's just creepy. Yeah, 372 00:22:58,640 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 2: that's just yeah. 373 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: Can you imagine going into a job interview because someone 374 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: said that to me. 375 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: Remember this is the eighties, so there was no me too, 376 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: There was no no something wrong. You could say whatever. 377 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: Whatever you wanted. But this is so Also, was it 378 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: is it true that people were like they say there 379 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: was a something called an orgy room that that's no, 380 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: you're shaking your head. Never know, that's a lie. 381 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 2: No orgy room. It was the It was just the 382 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 2: room could an orgy room. So people to me, so 383 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: there's a bunch of people around, they were all getting 384 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: having sex to get this. 385 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: Semantics were not it was an orgy room, per se, 386 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: but there was more. No people had sex separately, but 387 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: it was in one room. 388 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: But again I cannot vouch for the confirm me. I 389 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 2: can tell you what we did myself in New York. 390 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what I want to hear. 391 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: Okay, but you asked me if did everybody have a 392 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: problem with Nick and what was what was the dynamics? 393 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: So l A was Steve New. 394 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 4: York, Nick and myself in the middle because I worked. 395 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: For Nick technically. And then the owners of the club 396 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: in New York Steve and Gary. 397 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: So there was another owner in New York who's Gary. 398 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: They were brothers. Step and Gary were brothers in New York. 399 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 400 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: And then there was another an older man named Jerry 401 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: Denver and his piece of information, his grandson owns shipping it. Okay, 402 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: so the but but but I'm saying nobody. 403 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: Liked Nick because of his he just because. 404 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: Of who he was. He was an outrageous, ego, maniacal 405 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: son of a bitch. You know, he was not a 406 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: good guy. Wow, he tortured me. You know. It was 407 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 2: just horrible, horrible, horrible to me. Now, other people might 408 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 2: have loved it, and everybody to each their own. 409 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: Even the woman that I'm speaking of before, Candace. 410 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: His friend. Okay, Candace now portrays herself like she was 411 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: a producer on the show. 412 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: She most definitely does right, She's not. 413 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 2: She wasn't. Wow, So I was the. 414 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: Producer, you know, Jay, if you say it, it makes 415 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: it true. 416 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I know. And she convinces other people that she 417 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 2: did this. Now, from what I've heard, Candace was she 418 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 2: did run the tour, but the tour happened after me, 419 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 2: way later. So I made sure when I was working 420 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 2: at the club that I had a title and a 421 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 2: business card and it said J. D. Schwartz Associate producer. 422 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: And I can show you on my phone all the 423 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 2: pictures from Chippendale's with business guard with everything. Candace was 424 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: not a producer on the show. And ironically, a few 425 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: years ago, we had a get together for one of 426 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: the guys that I had hired. I flew back to 427 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: New Jersey for this and Candace was there and she 428 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: kept wanting to come over and talk to me, and 429 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: I didn't want to talk to her because the things 430 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: that she was saying is just a lie. You were 431 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: not the associate producer. I was the associate producer. You 432 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: didn't hire the guys in the clubs in New York, 433 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 2: and all I've claimed to do, I worked in New York. 434 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: It was me. There was only one me. I did 435 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: it all, hiring, firing, costumes, everything. And I had a 436 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: counterpart from Magique who worked in the club. Because when 437 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 2: the club, I haven't even told you about that yet. 438 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: But we're not up to that yet. 439 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: Do we have so much to cover? I don't even 440 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: know we're going to handle it. 441 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 4: But anyway, she finally came over to me, you know, 442 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 4: when people were standing around and. 443 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 2: We were a fundraiser for this guy who has MS 444 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: okay as MS, and I flew in to be there, 445 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: and I just kept avoiding her, and she finally came 446 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 2: over to me, and she said, well, if I know, 447 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: if you have something negative to say. I said, first 448 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: of all, you've come over to me, I didn't come 449 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:38,199 Speaker 2: to you. Your relationship with Nick and my relationship with 450 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: Nick two different things. I said. But I have seen 451 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 2: things and heard things that you've said. You're you were 452 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 2: the producer of the show. That's a lie. You weren't 453 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 2: the producer of the show. And well, I did the tour. 454 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm like Okay, I had nothing to do with the 455 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,960 Speaker 2: tour that was after I left. So maybe you produced that, 456 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 2: but you were not a producer in the club for 457 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: the show. You did not do that. And you know, 458 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: the guys were around me because all these guys I 459 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 2: hired them, they're my friends. And there, you know, everyone 460 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: was like standing up or being there for me. And 461 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 2: then that was the end of it. And she said, well, 462 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: if you don't have anything nice to say, I don't 463 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: want to hear it. 464 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: If you keep bringing up my life and I don't 465 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: want to calling you out. 466 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, again, you came over to me, 467 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: I didn't come over to you. I don't really have 468 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: anything to say to you. So when I hear that 469 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 2: other people, well Candace said, I don't give a fuck. 470 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 2: Kanda said, because Candace had no part in my life, right, 471 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: don't step in to my So she wasn't. 472 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: Even a part of this show in New York. She 473 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: really was justin. 474 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: She had nothing to do with New York. 475 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: What's literally I. 476 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: Met her one night at the club with Nick when 477 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: Nick came running up to me earlier in the night 478 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: before the club opened. There's a big meeting all the 479 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 2: guys that worked there, Nick, Gary and Steven. There's too 480 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 2: much cocaine going around in this club. You got to 481 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: stop the cocaine. Nobody needs to sell cocaine. It's got 482 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: to stop. So okay, let's just say okay. That night 483 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: Nick had Candace, I guess she flew in and I 484 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 2: don't know who else. The moment the show ended, he 485 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: came running up to me. He said, you gotta find 486 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: some coke. Who's gonna want to sell you coke? You 487 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: you just told everybody going to lose their job if 488 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 2: they're dealing in the club. So why was that the 489 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 2: first time I met Candas? 490 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: Oh? When was it? 491 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: That was my thing with. 492 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: Wow, that's it. She was like just sort of standing 493 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: there while he was asking you to get him some cocaine. Yes, 494 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: that's really like try to make yourself a primary care 495 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: or in a story sort of person. 496 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, so look, I've only done one interview before this, 497 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 2: and it was an A and E. Yes. I watched 498 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: that documentary. Yes, and so I had somebody just put 499 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: all of my stuff on one link for me, and 500 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: I see because I just rewatched it the other night, 501 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 2: and I see how the documentary if I said something. 502 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: They put in a clip of somebody else and it 503 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: sounded as if we were talking about the same thing. 504 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: Definitely, it's definitely made to look that way. 505 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 2: The one of the guys there, the black guy and 506 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: the yes in this it's like he was a big 507 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: deal there. First of all, Steve really wasn't a big proponent. 508 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: That's my question. 509 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: Was that real? In the series they make it seem 510 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: like he was pretty racist. 511 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 2: He was, and so I and I didn't even know 512 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 2: who the guy was, right, So it just goes. 513 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: To show you, right, because he was saying he was 514 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 1: in the New York show, he was a particular guy, right, 515 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: But in the series about. 516 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: The high ate in New York, it was nobody else. 517 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: It was me, So I would I could tell you 518 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: everybody worked for me. 519 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: Wowow right. 520 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: And because we still have a bond to this day. 521 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you talk to the don't charge to them 522 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: a lot. 523 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: But you know, we go back and forth. 524 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: When you started working with Nick and you knew that 525 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: it was going to be Chippendale's, had you already heard 526 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: about because we haven't even talked about the fact that 527 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: there was already a murder suicide that happened before this, 528 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: even until you didn't you didn't know till later. Okay, 529 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean that makes. 530 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: Sense Again, I'm saying to you, look at how I 531 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 2: spoke to Steve banaging myself, and I know he done that. 532 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't have spoken to him as an arrogant New Yorker, 533 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: right brain? Does the sun turn your brain to motion? 534 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: In California? What's the deal with you? Guys? Are you 535 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: that slow? 536 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: So it sounds like you had a. 537 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 2: More Now I'm a full glfdian. 538 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: I mean it happens to all of us. I feel 539 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: the same too. I get cold, you know, in sixty 540 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: degree weather morning it was. It's really sad spathetic of us. 541 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: But it sounds like you almost had a more congenial 542 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: relationship with Steve than you did with Nick. 543 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,680 Speaker 2: I did, I absolutely did. Wow. So there was also 544 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 2: an audit. Steve was auditing the New York Club. The 545 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 2: New York Club was auditing Nick. I will Steve. I 546 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 2: had to be a witness for both sides. 547 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, on. 548 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: The same day, with an attorney there that they paid for. 549 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 1: One of most thought that the other was stealing from 550 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: and everybody hated. 551 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: Nick and Nick would disappear for times. And then they 552 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 2: made the rules like Nick couldn't go leave the New 553 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: York club without written uh you know, he had a 554 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: that he wanted to write to say I'm going to 555 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 2: go for a week, and then they had to sign 556 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: physically sign off on it. When Nick would go back 557 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 2: to California. 558 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So so could you tell that this 559 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: was I mean, this just seems where at what point 560 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: was it that you could feel or did you not? 561 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: Could you feel like things are starting to go a 562 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: little sideways? 563 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: Do it? I just I mean you had to be 564 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: blind not to know what was going on, and maybe 565 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 2: the guys didn't know, but because I was office, you know, 566 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 2: but I was also like I'm the guy that everybody 567 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 2: talked to, you know, like when the LA dancers were 568 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: going back, I had to go out to strip clubs, 569 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 2: men's strip clubs in New York to look for male dancers. 570 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: I had to replace two guys in New Jersey is 571 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 2: where I went, yeah, to do it, you know, But 572 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,799 Speaker 2: I mean a lot of good stuff, well good stuff 573 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,799 Speaker 2: at the time. If you're a young guy and you 574 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: want to get into clubs, you know, all the clubs 575 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 2: in New York City. You can just call up and say, 576 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: he's day from Venel. You know, I want to come 577 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: into Studio fifty four tonight, right. You know there was that. 578 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean, what a great how so you were so young? 579 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean I think that that must have like skewed 580 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: your sense of reality. 581 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 2: It did. I mean that club, there was a brotherhood 582 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 2: in the club. So you ask you said before about 583 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 2: the gay guy. So all of the backup dancers, they 584 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: were Broadway dancers. 585 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: And back up meaning they were never the primary guys. 586 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 2: Would be like if one of the guys they were 587 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: you know, dancers right in there and we had a choreographer. 588 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 2: All of them were gay, with the exception of one 589 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: of them who is actually a very successful actor. You're 590 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 2: kidding and we stay in touch by Instagram. 591 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. Was that purposeful to hire or was everybody 592 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: in the Because. 593 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 2: Dancers were not good dancers either if you look at 594 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 2: like you. 595 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 4: Watch them on on regious region because they were. 596 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: On regions all the very good out with the. 597 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 2: Big guy Sam, Sam was our. 598 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, yes right, and Sam couldn't dance. 599 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: Sam. All of them were sweethearts, but it's like they're 600 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 2: not dancing so they had to have people who could dance, right, 601 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: I would say maybe one, two, three of the other 602 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 2: staff members. 603 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: Meaning like waiters. 604 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 2: Or something, Yes, I would say they were gay. You 605 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 2: never say it though, right, right, But more importantly, because 606 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 2: we were such a brotherhood and we were insulated in 607 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 2: that club, it didn't matter. 608 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:29,879 Speaker 1: It didn't matter. 609 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 2: Nobody cared. It was one for all and all for 610 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 2: one and one for all. We were all in it 611 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 2: together and nobody else was experiencing what we were experiencing together. 612 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 2: It didn't matter. 613 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, that's a big misconception people have, Oh, 614 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:47,359 Speaker 4: everyone in there's gay. 615 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, they're not. 616 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: Wow, So did anybody was there any judgment upon So 617 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: first of all, just so that we're clear, were people 618 00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: patrons having sex with the dancers? Was this happening? 619 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: And the waiters and the waiters. 620 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: Everybody always a financial exchange or not? It was just 621 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,720 Speaker 1: like after right, So it wasn't like a lap dance 622 00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 1: because wasn't there the kissing tip? 623 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that was a part of the show. You 624 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: can't do a kissing tip now because of COVID that 625 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: you can't do that. So now it's a stage show 626 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 2: in Las Vegas where they're on a stage. This time 627 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,479 Speaker 2: we were in the realm. Yeah, and so women would 628 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 2: pay to have the seats, you know, around the dance 629 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 2: excuse me, around the dance. 630 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 1: Floor, right, you know, oh sure, right, they were. 631 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 2: The hosts, would you know, A woman would say, you know, 632 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 2: here's twenty, you know, and so the waiter would come over. 633 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 2: So after the after the act, then they would do 634 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: free style dancing, kissing tips. Right, so they had their music, 635 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 2: and then someone would come and hold the twenty over 636 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 2: your head and so that they get I used to 637 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,800 Speaker 2: pick women up and twirl them around the dance. So 638 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 2: a lot of women weren't wearing underwear. 639 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, ladies, ladies. 640 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: So when I say to you, which going back doors 641 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,919 Speaker 2: open at six, you start drinking hard liquor. You're being 642 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 2: focused on by this gorgeous looking guy. The show starts 643 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: at eight. You're still drinking. During the show, they're doing 644 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: the show boy. By the end of the show, you 645 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 2: have six hundred horny women right in there. At ten 646 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 2: o'clock the doors open to this is like, this is 647 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: like genius fish in a barrel, right right? What this 648 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 2: is like? 649 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: So the men must the men and so this has a. 650 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 2: Nunny block in New York. You're in front of the club. 651 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 2: There's a line going that way down that street. There's 652 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 2: a line going this way down the street of guys trying. 653 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: How much did they have at the time? How much 654 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: did men have to pay to get in there? I 655 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: hope they charged him an arm and a leg. I 656 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: don't They probably didn't, I don't remember. 657 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 2: But they drank. And also during the show, there were 658 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 2: no men allowed in there. So if women, you know, 659 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 2: they got savvy and they wanted to hook up with 660 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 2: a waiter, a host, whomever. The men's room was wide 661 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 2: open because there was nobody in there. 662 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: There was nobody in it. 663 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 2: Except Jose who was also dealing. 664 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: Coke, except for the coke dealer. So bathroom guy, oh 665 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: he but he also provised, so he had a little 666 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 1: towel at maybe a mint or a orn a ball 667 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 1: or something. Right, it's the language, is that the right lingo? 668 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: I can't. I mean, this is I don't even know. 669 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 2: I feel like I've just told you so much stuff 670 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 2: about New York when this was you know, you started 671 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,240 Speaker 2: asking me about La Well. 672 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,200 Speaker 1: I just wanted people to for people who are unfamiliar 673 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,879 Speaker 1: to really kind of understand the the It's not even 674 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 1: a migration. It's really like Nick said, I want to 675 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: do this in New York, right, And it's really and 676 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,440 Speaker 1: it did certainly become far more famous and somewhat universe international, 677 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,960 Speaker 1: certainly because of New York. 678 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 2: Yes, But the story of Chippendale's, and this is my 679 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 2: biggest right, is not about the murder. No, the murder 680 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 2: happened five years later. So I started working there in 681 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty three. The story of Chippendale's, story of Chippendale. 682 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 2: What happened and in that club? What was the club about? 683 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 2: Why was it so successful? What was how did it 684 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:14,759 Speaker 2: become what it became? Every single podcast, this show is, 685 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 2: every single thing is about the same thing, right, Steve Banerjee. 686 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 2: Steve Banergee was his club absolutely because it. 687 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: Was People say, it's like he you know, came looking 688 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: for the American dream in a very simple sort of description, right, 689 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,480 Speaker 1: And then that and also because of that, he was, 690 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: you know, felt his own racism, I'm sure, and did 691 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: made certain decisions based on that. But so it's this 692 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: story that is so full of so many. 693 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 2: But what does the environment and dream entail? To think 694 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 2: about greed. Greed, that's the right, true line. That was 695 00:41:55,160 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 2: the problem between Steve and Gary. Nick and Steve, it 696 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 2: was all greed. Because when I started working for Nick, 697 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 2: you know, no computers, no emails, right, Nick had me 698 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 2: type letters on a typewriter to different venues where he 699 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 2: wanted to take the show because he did not want 700 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 2: to work for Steve. He wanted to take the show. 701 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 2: And then I would have to make a xerox copy 702 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 2: of the letter and put the phone number down on 703 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 2: there so I could follow up with the people to 704 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 2: set the meetings with Nick to go take this show out. 705 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 2: So Nick had had it with Steve wanted out of there. 706 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 2: The thing is what they do have correct in this 707 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 2: is yes they signed a knack in. Steve did not 708 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: know what touring rights were, what the word perpetuity was. 709 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: He didn't know. Nick knew what he was doing. 710 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:07,880 Speaker 1: He wasn't stupid, and because that became the financial success. 711 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,440 Speaker 2: But Ray did say you want to get your attorney. Um, no, no, no, 712 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 2: If I'm going to sit back and take fifty. 713 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: Nothing of me doing nothing right, But when Steve. 714 00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 2: As it chosen this because that's true, but they leave 715 00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 2: out so many things and that's the problem. 716 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: I have so much nuance, so many details, so many things. 717 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,200 Speaker 2: It's like, oh, the guy that he went to kill 718 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,799 Speaker 2: the dancer in in. 719 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, in Europe, in Europe, you know, he. 720 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,959 Speaker 2: And a couple of other guys left the LA Club 721 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 2: because they couldn't deal with Steve anymore and they went 722 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,320 Speaker 2: to go do their own thing. So this is so 723 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 2: Steve wanted to have them killed. 724 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: Right. See, this is your referring to Adonis, right, this 725 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: is the name of the these a couple of dancers 726 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: from LA went to somewhere in the UK. I don't 727 00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: know if it was London, I think it was somewhere 728 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: in the UK though, and started their own show. And 729 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: he found out it's like a very megalmoniacle. 730 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:10,400 Speaker 2: But the guy that did was an FBI agent. The 731 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 2: guy that Steve hired was an FBI informant. 732 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: Wait, the guy who he hired to do what to 733 00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: murder the guy's And. 734 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 2: That's how Steve got caught. And then Steve made a 735 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,880 Speaker 2: deal when he was in prison that nothing could be 736 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 2: taken away from his wife, right kids. And they came 737 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 2: the next morning to take him into court to make 738 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,400 Speaker 2: this agreement, and they found him hanging in his jails. 739 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,640 Speaker 1: And he hung himself. So I thought that he hired 740 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: some like drug addict guy to do it. So the 741 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: whole thing with Ray. 742 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,520 Speaker 2: Cologne, that the murderer was like a drug addict guy. 743 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 2: That's not that had already happened. 744 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: Yes, right, so he hires I mean, this is what 745 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: it's like, very hard to keep track of all of 746 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: the So do you think so you're you're saying, Okay, 747 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: you've had, you know, a lovely dinner with Steve and 748 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: his family, and is there any part of you that 749 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: thinks I mean, this is always a question for me, 750 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,160 Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, he was a good neighbor. Oh, 751 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, it's always nice, a little quiet. 752 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,959 Speaker 2: It was the same thing. You never thought. I didn't 753 00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,480 Speaker 2: know anything about setting the other club on fire. I 754 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 2: didn't know about. 755 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: Any right, he also had because and also look, I 756 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,120 Speaker 1: was like, you're always on your job till night and 757 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 1: doing all the things I had to do. 758 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 2: And I really didn't have that much to do with Steve. 759 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 2: But Steve knew he could count on me in New York. 760 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: But yeah, again, that was my job. 761 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 2: That's what I was supposed to do. 762 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: Right. Do you remember where you were when you found 763 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: out about Nick, because you were still working, right, you're 764 00:45:59,000 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: still working. 765 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 2: Working with Nancy Ryder, who is a premiere of one 766 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 2: of Michael J. Fox's films. We were up at Universal, 767 00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:07,880 Speaker 2: so you. 768 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 1: Were no longer working for I was here, okay, because 769 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:11,919 Speaker 1: that was two years later. 770 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,439 Speaker 2: Okay, that's when you could drive. There was no city walk, 771 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,920 Speaker 2: so you could drive. There was a rolling right in 772 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 2: front of the Universal theaters. Yes, and that's where the 773 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 2: red carpet was. And I think the I'm not sure 774 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,200 Speaker 2: which movie it was, Secret of My success or one 775 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 2: of those Michael movies. And so Nancy represent Mike represented Michael. 776 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 2: Therefore I represented Michael. And I was there, you know, 777 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 2: at opening night, and I tell people to just pull 778 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,840 Speaker 2: up the et footage. You could see me next to 779 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,920 Speaker 2: standing next to Michael. Because when I got the phone 780 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 2: call and it was from one of the bus boys 781 00:46:50,719 --> 00:47:00,479 Speaker 2: that I had hired, and first thing I said was me, Wow, 782 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,480 Speaker 2: that is the amount of contempt that I had for 783 00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 2: this man. 784 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,000 Speaker 4: Wow. 785 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:15,520 Speaker 2: You know, it's terrible to say anybody deserve to get murdered. 786 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:22,400 Speaker 3: Of course, dot dot dot dot dot. So hold on, 787 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 3: we really now have to go back to then. 788 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 2: From you. 789 00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,520 Speaker 1: Well, you know you and I are both from our 790 00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: little chat before we do. There is often a race. 791 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,080 Speaker 1: What was it between the mouth and the mind? 792 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 2: Right? I always got in trouble to me. My brother 793 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,759 Speaker 2: would say to me, your mouth and your brain had 794 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 2: a race, and your mouth won. 795 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:48,720 Speaker 1: So I'm winning. 796 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 2: But I have always said anything I say about Chippendale 797 00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,200 Speaker 2: is my life experience. So it is my life. It 798 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,399 Speaker 2: is what I lived through, It's what I went through. 799 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 2: It may not be your experience, certainly not Canvas's. 800 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,000 Speaker 1: Experience, definitely not mine, but. 801 00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,560 Speaker 2: It is my experience. So this is my story, yeah, 802 00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:16,920 Speaker 2: because it is my life. 803 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:17,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 804 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:23,880 Speaker 2: And if I'm going to tell this portion of my life, 805 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest because I don't believe in lying. 806 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,879 Speaker 1: Right, And it's also your right to do so it's 807 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,960 Speaker 1: your experience, it's your life. You have no course, you 808 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: are allowed to do that. So how did you wind 809 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:41,440 Speaker 1: up leaving? 810 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:41,839 Speaker 2: Then? 811 00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: Did you want to say something else? 812 00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you that again. I have to say 813 00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,239 Speaker 2: I really didn't have much to do with the La 814 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 2: Club at all. I knew some of the dancers, and 815 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 2: when I did decide to come out here, I stayed 816 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 2: out when did you see did the waiters houses? Because 817 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 2: theman that I moved in with, she was a manager 818 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,640 Speaker 2: and she represented one of the guys with the Chippindalees 819 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 2: guy as an actor, and so I wound up staying 820 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,080 Speaker 2: in his apartment on his couch for the two weeks 821 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,560 Speaker 2: I was out here looking for a job and so 822 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 2: on and so forth. So yes, I did go to 823 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: the club, and I was very let down. Really club 824 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 2: there was nothing like our club, right, but you know 825 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 2: it kind of looked at like what they had in 826 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 2: this show. It's it's funny because when they portrayed the 827 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,239 Speaker 2: New York club, that's not what our club looked like 828 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:35,839 Speaker 2: at all. 829 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,439 Speaker 1: Oh, it's not like at all. Really our club. 830 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,959 Speaker 2: Our show was uh in the realm and was kissing tip. 831 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 2: The club that they show is there's a stage that's 832 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 2: fat La they show. And the thing that bothered me 833 00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:56,960 Speaker 2: the most in LA. You know the banisters that they had, 834 00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 2: that's what we had in New York. You could put 835 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,680 Speaker 2: your drink there. It was a certain colored turquoise. They 836 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 2: had it right for the La New York. That's not 837 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,240 Speaker 2: what our club looked like. And even though they said, 838 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 2: oh they exploded in New York. They didn't show anything 839 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 2: in New York like they made New York like it 840 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,359 Speaker 2: didn't matter. 841 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:18,919 Speaker 4: Yeah. 842 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 2: Did Brookshields come in the club? Yes, so did Yeah 843 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 2: they did. 844 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,160 Speaker 1: They had someone to play books, Brookshields. 845 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:31,720 Speaker 5: And kind of Cloud, John Travall, Don Travalte, Semester Saloon 846 00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,840 Speaker 5: came in the club and they cast the movie perfect 847 00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:34,880 Speaker 5: with one of our waiters. 848 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,960 Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, But New York was New York. Yeah. Here 849 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 2: it wasn't as much and it was much smaller here 850 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 2: and so and so I personally take issue with that 851 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 2: because you're not giving New York any of this. Do 852 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:56,879 Speaker 2: you're giving La everything? Now? Did it start in La? 853 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: Yes? 854 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,120 Speaker 2: But what they're showing. 855 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,880 Speaker 1: Right, I mean they'd probably be You would never. 856 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 2: The guys that worked in that club, those dancers would 857 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 2: never have been hired. Wow. Nope, not one, not any 858 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 2: of them would have been hired at all. 859 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,719 Speaker 1: Wow. Really Okay, this has been so much fun and 860 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: there is so much more to talk about. So we 861 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,359 Speaker 1: are going to continue my conversation with Jay in our 862 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,120 Speaker 1: next episode