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Speaker 1: Hey, this is any and Samantha, and welcome to Stephan.

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Speaker 1: Never told your production for IHEART radio, and welcome to

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Speaker 1: another edition of Monday. Many I know when we have

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Speaker 1: topics like this we maybe a little long, so we're

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Speaker 1: going to try to keep it short because we have

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about feminism today and how it's changing, Um,

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Speaker 1: and what's changing about it and what we need to

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Speaker 1: be looking at. But in March of two this year,

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Speaker 1: not too long ago, if so, which is an international

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Speaker 1: market research and consulting firm found in the nine, just

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Speaker 1: in case you need to know, as well as the

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Speaker 1: fact that it's the third largest research agency at this time,

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Speaker 1: conducted a global research in collaboration with the Global Institute

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Speaker 1: of Women's leadership at King's College London, and we thought

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Speaker 1: we would take some time to look at those numbers

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Speaker 1: and Statistics and talk about it because it's kind of

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Speaker 1: interesting to me. Um, what you should know that yes,

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Speaker 1: they did do a bit of the polling in the US,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of other countries as well, and from

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Speaker 1: what I read in another article in reference to this

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Speaker 1: who felt this strongly were Russians. So take that for

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Speaker 1: what it is. We've always talked about when it comes

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Speaker 1: to numbers and research, there's a little, could be a

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Speaker 1: of it. So, like I said, just be aware. So

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Speaker 1: what we're focusing on is specifically the, I guess, the

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Speaker 1: take that many, specifically men, take on feminism and what

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Speaker 1: is happening with feminism today. So we know that feminism

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Speaker 1: has changed a lot, there's many waves and we are

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Speaker 1: now to the point of being the intersectional feminist, which

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Speaker 1: is the different layers and that there are different leaders

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Speaker 1: in different ways of looking at feminism Um and hopefully

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Speaker 1: we are combining uh different marginalized communities in this conversation

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Speaker 1: those who are oftentimes the most marginalized. So that's what

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Speaker 1: we have talked about when it comes to feminism. I

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Speaker 1: conversation for us in general and we will never stop

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Speaker 1: talking about it until it changes. Just so y'all know.

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Speaker 1: So if you're tired of that, go ahead and move on,

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Speaker 1: because we're never gonna that. So here are some interesting statistics, Annie,

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Speaker 1: and I know you and I will talk a little

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Speaker 1: of the research, it says only two intent adults deny

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Speaker 1: the existence of gender inequality. So that's good. Uh So,

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Speaker 1: I guess one of the people. But views are split

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Speaker 1: on the benefits of Feminism. So Hey, we're talking. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there's an equality, but at the same time, is there

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Speaker 1: a benefit of feminism to solve inequality? M Right, UM,

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Speaker 1: concerns about and I think this is really key in

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Speaker 1: and an area. But they said concerns about online abuse remain,

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Speaker 1: And if you need a refresher, we haven't my name

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Speaker 1: And it's not surprising that men are more likely to be, quote,

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Speaker 1: but all you're doing is really just listening and learning, right,

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