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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get right into it. Fellas man.
Speaker 3: As of about fifteen minutes ago, bombshell news has come down.
Speaker 3: We thought there was gonna be a chill and easy Friday.
Speaker 3: We was gonna come here do what we do.
Speaker 2: He's having a hell up out of here about it
Speaker 2: during the weekend.
Speaker 5: And they got the day off out there too as well.
Speaker 3: So yeah, until Michael Parson said, old contrail on to me,
Speaker 3: I got a little something for y'all. We've known the
Speaker 3: back and forth that they've been having Michael with the
Speaker 3: whole day, and then he dropped the big He dropped
Speaker 3: this is the big joke of today. He dropped the
Speaker 3: joke of the day. And Michael Parson has formerly requested
Speaker 3: a trade from the Dallas Cowboys. He has come to
Speaker 3: his wits end with this hold out. He has come
Speaker 3: to his wits end with the shots being taken at him.
Speaker 3: He has come to his wits end without the ownership
Speaker 3: contacting his agent, and he said, I'm out, I'm done,
Speaker 3: I'm finished.
Speaker 2: I want to be traded.
Speaker 3: We got Newie Scruggs boots on the ground in Oxnarth, California.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go to Newie and Newie. Give me your thoughts.
Speaker 3: What are you hearing? Did you see this coming? Did
Speaker 3: you foresee this happening?
Speaker 2: This is some big news coming from franchise player.
Speaker 6: It's big news. But it's not the first time that
Speaker 6: you've seen a player frustrated with negotiations with Jerry Jones.
Speaker 6: The first Dallas Cowboys training camp I ever covered nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety three and Mitt Smith was not there. Andmm Smith
Speaker 6: that led the league in rushing and they won the
Speaker 6: Super Bowl at Jerry Jones adamant about how much he
Speaker 6: wanted to pay him, and he was trying to pay
Speaker 6: him under what he paid Jerry Jones. And it was
Speaker 6: the first two games what happened, Emitt got signed. This
Speaker 6: is a part of how Jerry does business. Ceed laand
Speaker 6: went through it last year. Dak Prescott went through it.
Speaker 6: Zach Martin held.
Speaker 2: Out just two years ago.
Speaker 4: He was trying to make sure.
Speaker 6: He got his money straight. And at the end of
Speaker 6: the day, the great players Jerry wants, they all signed.
Speaker 6: All of them signed. I'm here in Los Angeles Kobe
Speaker 6: Bryant and told Jerry Buss, then trade me. Jerry Buss
Speaker 6: is like, no, I'm not trading. He finished his career
Speaker 6: with the Lakers. He won two more championships after the trade.
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson he wanted to out of Baltimore. They resigned him.
Speaker 6: He won an MVP. It's now just Micah's turn here
Speaker 6: in the blender. Guys, it's there, Okay, it's gonna happen
Speaker 6: at some point in time. He's under contract, so they
Speaker 6: don't have to pay him. They're not going to get
Speaker 6: rid of him. This is his move. It's going to
Speaker 6: get a lot of publicity. We're gonna talk about it,
Speaker 6: but at the end of the day, Jerry Jones is
Speaker 6: gonna give Micah's money and he'll be a cowboy and
Speaker 6: then they'll hug and everything else and be just fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Now he's one hundred percent correct on this one. Like
Speaker 7: you said, you know, Jerry hasn't lost a superstar via
Speaker 7: free agency. Let him walk in who knows how long,
Speaker 7: And this is this situation is not going to change
Speaker 7: when it comes to Michael Parsons. He's done everything correct
Speaker 7: in my opinion as far as this whole negotiation thing
Speaker 7: is concerned. I mean, he's there throughout all OTA's mini camp.
Speaker 4: He showed up the camp.
Speaker 7: He's been that consummate leader you know for this team,
Speaker 7: whether it's on the field or off the field, doesn't
Speaker 7: get in trouble at any of that stuff.
Speaker 2: And he's done everything correct.
Speaker 7: Since he stepped into the the Dallas Cowboys organization. I mean,
Speaker 7: this is a oka ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on, knew he just hit it on that.
Speaker 2: This is a pattern, this is the blueprint. This is
Speaker 2: under the.
Speaker 3: Cowboys have done for a long time. But if you've noticed,
Speaker 3: they've taken a little bit more of a frustrating approach
Speaker 3: this time around when it comes to Micah. Could this
Speaker 3: be I'm just I'm this is a Reckie speccy. I'm
Speaker 3: just throwing it out there. Could this be the moment
Speaker 3: in time where Jerry goes enough? The Ages got me
Speaker 3: figured out. They know if they just waited out that
Speaker 3: we're gonna bend over and we're gonna pay them and
Speaker 3: give them all the things that they want, all the years,
Speaker 3: all the no trade clauses, all of the guarantees that
Speaker 3: they want.
Speaker 2: Could this possibly be the moment where Stephen and Jerry go.
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 7: If they do that, it would probably be, you know,
Speaker 7: one of the worst decisions and organization has made in
Speaker 7: NFL history. I mean, I'm this this. If they say
Speaker 7: is enough, I don't want to. I don't want to,
Speaker 7: you know, deal with this anymore. We're gonna make him,
Speaker 7: you know, fulfill the whole contract. This is you're talking
Speaker 7: about the best player in your organization, on your team,
Speaker 7: the best one of the top three defensive players, maybe
Speaker 7: the best depending on who you're talking to in the
Speaker 7: National Football League. This is a game changer. This is
Speaker 7: not a guy that just puts up sack numbers. This
Speaker 7: is a guy that can change the fortunes of your franchise.
Speaker 4: And so for you to sit there and say, you
Speaker 4: know what this is, this is it. I'm done.
Speaker 7: I don't have enough. I paid this guy, paid this guy,
Speaker 7: paid this guy, you know, and start with Micah as
Speaker 7: the guy that you know you're gonna chock your hands with.
Speaker 7: I feel like that would be one of the worst
Speaker 7: decisions ever made.
Speaker 4: I get it because I might be a little missing informed.
Speaker 4: But when you said wipe your hands with it, from
Speaker 4: my understanding, you're saying, maybe the deal is taken so
Speaker 4: long because Jerry is about to finally do the whole
Speaker 4: give him every thing that he wants to put the opposite, Okay,
Speaker 4: I just want to make sure because okay, okay, yeah, no, no.
Speaker 2: Giving you everything you want like I've done before the.
Speaker 4: Past, to all your Okay, Well, then in that case,
Speaker 4: then you're right. I My sentiments are the same with you,
Speaker 4: because I do feel like you're doing a disservice for
Speaker 4: it to be the one person that has done everything statistically,
Speaker 4: they're off the field, he's like he's a voice. And
Speaker 4: then for him not to be a quarterback and have
Speaker 4: command such a market the way that he does with
Speaker 4: his media, being a president in the community and being
Speaker 4: that person like this is the time for you to say, hey,
Speaker 4: do what You're not gonna have buyers remorse like the
Speaker 4: Cleveland Browns had with Deshaun Watson or the narrative that's
Speaker 4: being painted right now that you have buyer's remarks with
Speaker 4: Trayvon Dick. If there's anybody that has proven that they're
Speaker 4: the guy right now, this will be the time for
Speaker 4: you to say, hey, let me go ahead and do
Speaker 4: what Jerry does in a big fashion. And like I said,
Speaker 4: it's above my pray grade, but somebody that actually deserves it.
Speaker 4: The only other person I could think of in NFL
Speaker 4: history like this, And just maybe I'm biased and doing
Speaker 4: my recent tenure, but I want to say Aaron Donald
Speaker 4: is the only other person that is deserving as far
Speaker 4: as putting up the stats off the field and doing
Speaker 4: all those things. So yes, this is the time to
Speaker 4: break the market by not maybe giving him the bank,
Speaker 4: but making do something that's gonna make him feel special
Speaker 4: and that he earned it. Because that dog is hungry,
Speaker 4: he's ready to get there, and now that he's displaying
Speaker 4: his frustration, we're seeing that I'm not mad at him
Speaker 4: for doing that, because he's been playing chess and not
Speaker 4: checkers this whole time. But this last move, it was
Speaker 4: a little bit of a checker's move. So let's hope
Speaker 4: that Jerry has a checker's reaction. So it's like this happened.
Speaker 4: This happened, so we could go ahead and be happy
Speaker 4: about it. But like Nui said, everybody gets paid and
Speaker 4: everybody is always happy at the end of the deal.
Speaker 4: We've seen it with De Bryan and the rest of
Speaker 4: the thing.
Speaker 6: All right, let me throw this in here, guys, let
Speaker 6: me throw this something Steven Jones has said for you
Speaker 6: many many years now, deadlines. Think about that deal. When
Speaker 6: did he get done? Right before they play the first
Speaker 6: game at the end of the day. They know as
Speaker 6: you get closer towards the season, Michael wants to play.
Speaker 6: He's a guy that wants to play, and he's gonna
Speaker 6: This is when you can put the squeeze and get
Speaker 6: all this stuff done. They know what they're doing. The
Speaker 6: franchise is the most valuable in the world. They gonna
Speaker 6: get it done. This is Michael's party's frustration. He could
Speaker 6: be mad and Jerry can sit up here all day
Speaker 6: long and say what they've been saying. Hey man, he
Speaker 6: had a contract this year for like twenty four million
Speaker 6: dollars and gotta go nowhere. You got to play here.
Speaker 6: And if you can't just sit out, because it's not
Speaker 6: like you can sit out and get in the years
Speaker 6: are cured. You know, he's not gonna go out and
Speaker 6: miss out on this money. He doesn't want to lose
Speaker 6: a year and not put a statistics. They're playing this game.
Speaker 6: At the end of the day, it's just gonna get done.
Speaker 6: And Mugga Letta will get a great deal because you
Speaker 6: know what all these agents do, and Moga Letter is
Speaker 6: a great negotiators. Not one age in the NFL right now.
Speaker 6: It's just gonna have a guy we're talking about is
Speaker 6: good stuff. Jerry like to everybody talk about the Cowboys. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 6: It's gonna get done.
Speaker 2: That's my people, real quick.
Speaker 4: Why but why wait?
Speaker 7: Why put your your franchise at risk for having a
Speaker 7: slow start by having one of your best players, your gain,
Speaker 7: your game changer, not be ready when the season starts.
Speaker 2: Why wait till the last minute.
Speaker 6: To get the deal with the new for the new
Speaker 6: defensive coordinator right with a new defensive court. I don't know,
Speaker 6: but you know they did it last year with CDL.
Speaker 6: This is just how they do it. Man, It's just
Speaker 6: I'm with you, but this is just how they do business.
Speaker 6: And once again, when you got the most valuable franchise
Speaker 6: in the world, clearly you know what you're doing because
Speaker 6: you're just making money.
Speaker 3: Left over, right, And yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6: Sometimes good they doing a Netflix special on you either, right.
Speaker 8: And I mean, and we've talked about everybody that has
Speaker 8: been in the blender like new he likes to say,
Speaker 8: but that doesn't mean it's the right way to go
Speaker 8: about doing business. And at some point in time, you know,
Speaker 8: like everybody in the in the locker room is supposed
Speaker 8: to be treated the same, but everybody does not get
Speaker 8: the same treatment.
Speaker 4: Okay, And.
Speaker 8: There was something said a just read it just a
Speaker 8: second ago where it said that Stephen Jones said, Mike
Speaker 8: and needs to act like he wants to be paid. Well,
Speaker 8: what has he done doctor the years playing here, being
Speaker 8: at everything from OTA's being at the offseason conditioning program,
Speaker 8: actually holding in a camp as well, you know what
Speaker 8: I mean. So when you look at it, like at
Speaker 8: some point in time, you have to do something a
Speaker 8: little bit different from time to time. Everybody does not
Speaker 8: need to be negotiated the same way. And like we
Speaker 8: noticed Trellis, we fall in love with this game as
Speaker 8: children at an early age. There's no business involved in
Speaker 8: it at all. The Joneses are what they're businessmen by trade.
Speaker 8: We're football players, we're athletes by trade. We want to
Speaker 8: get back to what's normal to us. We want to
Speaker 8: be in a comfortable position. Like Church said, why would
Speaker 8: you have this man who is literally at camp but
Speaker 8: not participating.
Speaker 5: And typically what happens.
Speaker 8: When that guy comes back from a holdouts what some
Speaker 8: type of soft tissue type of injury.
Speaker 5: Okay, so now what was going on? We're looking at
Speaker 5: the second week.
Speaker 8: Of okay, and he's not participated, he's not in these drills.
Speaker 8: He's actually not getting getting to tend a chance to play.
Speaker 8: So at this point Michaeh has to also protect his
Speaker 8: best interests as well, and uh and make sure that
Speaker 8: he's really ready to go when that when when, and
Speaker 8: hopefully when that contract is done.
Speaker 6: And ready to go, you go something all right, Fellas,
Speaker 6: I gotta head over here. I'm trying to talk to somebody,
Speaker 6: right now over here, knock, start to see where I
Speaker 6: can get done for somebody, get back.
Speaker 4: To work, but not to be the dead. We all
Speaker 4: agree with it, and I know I'm about to get
Speaker 4: killed by the fans. Be gentle. Everybody that I'm talking
Speaker 4: to one is the player's lounge. We all have a
Speaker 4: player's perspective. So yes, we all agree Michael should be
Speaker 4: paid and if there's anybody that should be paid, it
Speaker 4: should be done right now. But also the point of
Speaker 4: players lounge is to give you that other side of it,
Speaker 4: that inside school and somebody has the place devil advocate.
Speaker 4: And so if I'm the if I'm owning the team,
Speaker 4: if I want it to be a GM, like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be real with you, I'm gonna have buyers remorse too,
Speaker 4: especially all the guys that I pay. When you think
Speaker 4: of deals like a Ezekiel Elliott deal, when you think
Speaker 4: of a deal like a Trayvon Diggs deal that's going on, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna sit there and say, man, hey, did I
Speaker 4: really maximize that deal? Did you deserve that? But in
Speaker 4: the same bread basket, you have guys like Zach Martin,
Speaker 4: Tyron Smith, Daz Bryant that earned their contracts and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. So from a business perspective, we know the
Speaker 4: shield is bigger than anything. The shield is always gonna win.
Speaker 4: And just like some organizations, I tell you right now,
Speaker 4: one they might get mad about it, but I bet
Speaker 4: you the Browns organization is mad about all the money
Speaker 4: that they spend on DeShawn and sitting there doing that.
Speaker 4: So when you have situations like that, and overall, speaking
Speaker 4: in the long term of things, people messing up contracts,
Speaker 4: it's like, I don't want to do that. But like
Speaker 4: I said, with that being said, anybody that's proven that
Speaker 4: he's done it, it deserves to be Micah. But I
Speaker 4: understand this is a business. Let's not forget that. Like
Speaker 4: we're paying, we're playing a child's game for a king's ransom.
Speaker 4: You think that I'm not about to go invest up
Speaker 4: make somebody one hundred million dollar type guy a two
Speaker 4: hundred million dollar type guy, or maybe potentially even we
Speaker 4: know Jerry, when he loves his guys, he loves setting
Speaker 4: the market, he might even give him potential ownership in that.
Speaker 4: Mike is a smart guy, Like he's gonna sit there
Speaker 4: and say let me do something. He ain't gonna give him.
Speaker 4: But I did but touch Jones, But no way with
Speaker 4: him being who he is in the media market, you
Speaker 4: don't think Jerry's gonna sit there and say, hey, I
Speaker 4: own the NFL network, let me give your own TV
Speaker 4: show or some backdoor deal. There's some land, there's something
Speaker 4: like he's going to make it special, and so it's
Speaker 4: just about, hey, how can you do it? And you know,
Speaker 4: we all know mister Jones when he's getting ready to
Speaker 4: get right there, he has two or three people saying
Speaker 4: slow down, don't do this, and do that. So my
Speaker 4: question is who's pulling the rings?
Speaker 3: I think on the business side of things, we've come
Speaker 3: such long way, right like when you talk about the
Speaker 3: media part of it, right like Mike is the president
Speaker 3: of bleacher Report. You know what I'm saying, He's the
Speaker 3: president of that sector of bleacher Report. It's it's not
Speaker 3: so singular focused where one people one person, or small
Speaker 3: where people control those type of things. Mike is such
Speaker 3: a big name that he's going to be have options
Speaker 3: to do anything with everything. And because he was associated
Speaker 3: with the Star, not not that he has to get
Speaker 3: it from the Star or the people that own the Star.
Speaker 3: Because of his his greatness, and it being in this uniform.
Speaker 3: The phone calls happen, man, the emails get returned, so
Speaker 3: those type of things. It is he trust me. He's
Speaker 3: not at Bleacher Parot by accident. Okay, Bleacher Report says,
Speaker 3: you're tied to that franchise. We're gonna give you the
Speaker 3: bag to do that, and forever, forever, forever, we'll keep
Speaker 3: giving you the back. So I mean the business part
Speaker 3: of it, I think a lot of people know. And
Speaker 3: here's also where your representation comes in. We're talking about
Speaker 3: now the Battle of the Forbes, right, We're talking about
Speaker 3: the Forest Battle. We're talking about Jerry Jones and the
Speaker 3: Cowboys being the number one franchise in Forbes evaluation. And
Speaker 3: we're talking about now David malu Getta being the number
Speaker 3: one agent and all the.
Speaker 4: Sports already a million over and negotiating contracts this year.
Speaker 3: So David hasn't figured out like he hasn't figured out,
Speaker 3: and he's going to have a plan set up for
Speaker 3: Micah that's going to take whatever he makes now and
Speaker 3: make him a lot of money for a lot of years.
Speaker 3: So it's just it's it's we've come to a different
Speaker 3: place now where you don't need the team to set
Speaker 3: you up for greatness. Mike is a big enough entity
Speaker 3: on his own that he's going to get all the
Speaker 3: brand deals that he wants and he needs. And he
Speaker 3: is a person who doesn't come with the checkered pass
Speaker 3: because a lot of times, you know, you don't you
Speaker 3: don't get you don't get the green dollars from the
Speaker 3: white people when you got a checker pass right Scared
Speaker 3: they don't want everything. They don't want to they got it.
Speaker 3: They're scared to deal with you or what you may bring.
Speaker 3: They're not bringing the back to you fact, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And Micah doesn't. Michael while he has
Speaker 3: this thing that he says in the media, that's the media,
Speaker 3: that's words, he doesn't have anything on his ledger that
Speaker 3: says this is a guy who we can't give one
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars you know, media distribution deal to You.
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: He's checked every box that you can think of when
Speaker 4: it comes to that. Like when I think of players
Speaker 4: like Michaeh, I can't help but think of Dion when
Speaker 4: he was playing if that makes sense, Like to have
Speaker 4: that magnitude of effect on the media market, go out
Speaker 4: there put the results down there. But the difference between
Speaker 4: him and the Deon Sanders effect, he has a certain
Speaker 4: humbleness about him like that. He's been showing like, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm the guy. I want to be here. He's saying
Speaker 4: all the right answers. And so for him to be
Speaker 4: in that that that position right now, he's played everything right.
Speaker 8: I believe that, you know, and part of negotiations with
Speaker 8: him having when the top agents was for that was
Speaker 8: all in negotiation tactic for.
Speaker 5: Him to hold in to begin with.
Speaker 8: You know, I definitely think that they was probably trying
Speaker 8: to see how much leverage they had up front, how
Speaker 8: soon it could actually get done with him actually being
Speaker 8: in the presence. Okay, hey, go out there, had those conversations.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, talk, see where Jerry coming from.
Speaker 8: Report back to me, let me know what's cracking, and
Speaker 8: everything else like that.
Speaker 5: But now that we're.
Speaker 8: At this place here, okay, and it ain't no budget,
Speaker 8: ain't nothing else happening. You know, I keep running my mouth,
Speaker 8: I'm saying all the right stuff while I'm running it, though,
Speaker 8: but it's no progress being made. So you know, I'm
Speaker 8: like Michaeh, like how much longer do I need that
Speaker 8: It's not even about me saying I want to be
Speaker 8: off the team. How much longer do I have to
Speaker 8: keep sitting here watching and not being able to participate
Speaker 8: and trying to be a part of this team?
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?
Speaker 8: So I feel where he's coming from. I understand, but
Speaker 8: I definitely think that him going to camp was part
Speaker 8: of their negotiation tactics as well.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take our first break and we'll get
Speaker 3: back to this conversation. If you're just hearing this, Michael
Speaker 3: Parsons has formerly requested the trade from the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: This is the player's lows. We'll continue this discussion on
Speaker 3: the other.
Speaker 2: Side of this break. Stay right here with this will
Speaker 2: be right back.
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Speaker 3: the conversation that we had in the first segment. Michael
Speaker 3: Parson has formally requested the trade for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: He had a long, long.
Speaker 3: Message, and to summarize some of it, he said, I
Speaker 3: am tired of going with the back and forth. I
Speaker 3: negotiated in good faith. I thought I was having a
Speaker 3: conversation on leadership. A conversation about contracts came about. I
Speaker 3: thought we were just talking. The jones took that as
Speaker 3: bible and said that was it. And he said, my
Speaker 3: agent has tried over and over and over again to
Speaker 3: get in contact with the Joneses to know avail that
Speaker 3: they haven't been able.
Speaker 2: To do anything.
Speaker 3: He says, as of today, there has not been negotiations
Speaker 3: with the Joneses and his agent, David malu Guetta. And
Speaker 3: at this point he has said, and he being Michael Parsons,
Speaker 3: I want out is would this be the biggest Would
Speaker 3: this be the biggest trade I don't know, will this
Speaker 3: be the biggest trade request that we've seen last ten
Speaker 3: fifteen years when you think about in the National Football.
Speaker 7: League, I mean, I don't even think anybody goes close
Speaker 7: to this when you talk about it. I mean, even
Speaker 7: though he got a racket brain a little bit to
Speaker 7: think about it.
Speaker 2: But man, we're talking about a guy that's a.
Speaker 7: Perennial not pro bowler, but perennial All Pro player, like
Speaker 7: like similar to like you said, if it was Aaron
Speaker 7: Donald or something that was just like, nah, I need
Speaker 7: a trade request like that. That's the type of impact
Speaker 7: this guy as on this team. And so to me, man,
Speaker 7: it would be wild to steal something that I'm gonna
Speaker 7: send this to you, and to steal something that that
Speaker 7: that Demontre said talking about playing Devil's advocate.
Speaker 2: Is there is.
Speaker 3: There any any any goodness that because you're gonna get
Speaker 3: a king's ransom, right, Anthony, If you trade Michael Parsons,
Speaker 3: you're going to get a king's ransom, right. I would
Speaker 3: hope now you might be like Nico and them down
Speaker 3: there with the Dallas Mavericks and not get what we
Speaker 3: get for a star player. But this is just we're
Speaker 3: having a conversation, right, We're having a conversation. This is
Speaker 3: the lounge, Anthony. Could you see a scenario where if
Speaker 3: you traded Michael Parsons you could get back a hall
Speaker 3: that could bring you enough pieces to come back kind
Speaker 3: of Almo like the Herschel Walker trade back.
Speaker 4: In the day. I was about to say, give you.
Speaker 2: Get this team over the eye.
Speaker 8: I mean, respectfully, that's what you would want, you know
Speaker 8: what I'm saying, But there's no guarantee in the production
Speaker 8: that you're gonna get coming back in the building. You
Speaker 8: already know what you might let go proving, and not
Speaker 8: at the peak of his career.
Speaker 2: Yet, twenty six years old, young.
Speaker 8: He getting better, he learned the new past rush moves.
Speaker 8: All right, He's not even as strong as he's gonna be.
Speaker 4: He ain't even his grown man strength yet.
Speaker 8: So when you look at it from that standpoint, like, yeah,
Speaker 8: you would hope that that ransom would give you that
Speaker 8: and then some, but there's no guarantee to that. And
Speaker 8: so you know, when I got what's proven in my hand,
Speaker 8: I'm not too worried about what I don't know what's
Speaker 8: in my other hand.
Speaker 5: All righty know I got with the proof right here.
Speaker 8: So with that, you know, nah, man, like as much
Speaker 8: talk as we're doing about it, and I understand he
Speaker 8: wants to trade, and I can't see them letting that happen.
Speaker 5: I just can't see it.
Speaker 4: It ain't gonna happen. It's really not like Jerry don't
Speaker 4: let his players go. But like you said, for Devil's advocates,
Speaker 4: so we're not like every other show, every other podcast.
Speaker 4: So we know he wants to get paid. We know
Speaker 4: he's the cleanest person in history that we're talking about,
Speaker 4: at least in my opinion as far as checking all
Speaker 4: the boxes, that deserves that bag. But nobody is above
Speaker 4: the shield, and I repeat, nobody is above it. So
Speaker 4: like if you trade him, you can be in a
Speaker 4: situation where you be like Miami Dawks and they stack
Speaker 4: up on all them first round picks and then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden you get a long haul in. We've
Speaker 4: seen it and damaka ensue that was the cornerstone for
Speaker 4: the Lions, and all of a sudden he went down
Speaker 4: there to Miami and the pick of his career and
Speaker 4: still was like doing numbers if we're saying that. So
Speaker 4: there are people that can get traded. You know, obviously
Speaker 4: Michael's wade cleaner. We don't think it's going to happen.
Speaker 4: But if you trade him, you don't think that an
Speaker 4: organization that's stockpiled like the Browns or something that got
Speaker 4: all these first round picks just sitting in their back pocket.
Speaker 4: Here you go, that's fur first round pick. We're gonna
Speaker 4: pay him. As a matter of fact, here, we'll take
Speaker 4: this right here and give you that. They'll do that
Speaker 4: for a perennial guy like you said, that's not even
Speaker 4: in his peak. So if if the business people and
Speaker 4: them Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, and whoever else that the
Speaker 4: powers may be decided to entertain this trade idea, you
Speaker 4: will see one of those blockbuster deals where you're like,
Speaker 4: there's no way a franchise let them go. Nobody ever
Speaker 4: thought of. The Broncos will let go of von Miller
Speaker 4: right and his and his prime like that they let
Speaker 4: the colaborators with Khalil Mack. You go to. You think
Speaker 4: about when DeMarcus where he wasn't in his prime, but
Speaker 4: he was still giving you prime talent right there, and
Speaker 4: we let him go and he went and got a
Speaker 4: Super Bowl right there. So the right one man's trash
Speaker 4: is another man's treasure.
Speaker 7: Like they used to say, these other organizations, they would
Speaker 7: definitely you know Parson was over here. You know four
Speaker 7: first round is whatever the case may be, they would
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 4: But my thing is.
Speaker 7: When you with the cow when you at the Cowboys situation,
Speaker 7: you got the quarterback, right, you got the quarterback that
Speaker 7: that you want. You got the quarterback, You got the
Speaker 7: receiver c lamb all right, you got you got the
Speaker 7: corners on the back if they come in health, you
Speaker 7: got the corners. You got the d lineman in Michael
Speaker 7: Parsons the edge.
Speaker 4: We just paid somebody those are.
Speaker 2: Don't do that, man, No, don't.
Speaker 7: I don't want to I don't want to go. You
Speaker 7: got the cornerstone pieces. You got the cornerstone pieces already there.
Speaker 7: Why give away that cornerstone piece for like you said,
Speaker 7: some unproving this.
Speaker 4: They're not. They're not. And we all know that Jerry
Speaker 4: does it in the Everything he does is in a
Speaker 4: big fashion sense. It's America's team. When it came time
Speaker 4: to it, and people was like, old snap, that's about
Speaker 4: to get traded. Oh, Zach Martin, a guy that is
Speaker 4: arguably one of the best, and some people are best
Speaker 4: Cowboys player to ever put on the star had to
Speaker 4: wait and do that, and people were like, oh, Zach's
Speaker 4: gonna go. People are gonna line up and do that.
Speaker 4: And what did he do. He came out and gave
Speaker 4: them iconic deals within their own respect. Now it's up
Speaker 4: to the player if they decided to say, hey, I
Speaker 4: want to be team friendly. You got guys like Yan
Speaker 4: Smith and said he I just want to be here,
Speaker 4: but I see what's gonna happen later down the line
Speaker 4: and take those deals. And then you got other guys
Speaker 4: that said, no, I'm changing the market. Zeke changed the market,
Speaker 4: Dak changed the market. So right now, Michaeh has put
Speaker 4: the ball in his court to say whatever I want
Speaker 4: to do it. And so if he wants to change
Speaker 4: the market in some form of fashion, Cherry's gonna figure
Speaker 4: out how to do it. It's just about are we
Speaker 4: gonna give him the dollar amount or are we gonna
Speaker 4: do it this way? But somehow you're going to be
Speaker 4: the guy. It's just about being the guy in the
Speaker 4: right way.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we all understand he's gonna get paid like that
Speaker 7: wasn't the question The thing for me is, but when
Speaker 7: you look at all those deals, the Zeke deal, the
Speaker 7: Dak deal, all that good stuff, and they waited forever
Speaker 7: to get the deals done. How those guys come back
Speaker 7: and start the season. You look at Zeke, Yes, he
Speaker 7: all said he was running in Cabo, saying that's how
Speaker 7: he looked when he came back. Eventually it rolling, but
Speaker 7: it took that much time for him to get rolling.
Speaker 7: You look at that how the communication, how the points
Speaker 7: was not as high as you know, we wanted to
Speaker 7: see from the Cowboys coming out the gate. I mean,
Speaker 7: I get it, you get the views and all that
Speaker 7: good stuff.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 7: When it comes to the Cowboys organization, it's just I mean,
Speaker 7: why I would you do that.
Speaker 2: Let's take our final break. Let's take our final break
Speaker 2: when we come back.
Speaker 3: I do want to ask you guys a question about
Speaker 3: how does this look from the outside end. There's other
Speaker 3: free agents that may be looking down the line and saying,
Speaker 3: is Dallas a place that I want to go? Are
Speaker 3: there are other players on this team that are like,
Speaker 3: you know, you got guys like Tyler Smith who's coming
Speaker 3: up with a contract. Is he look at it and saying, man,
Speaker 3: I I don't want to go through all this next
Speaker 3: year when I gotta get my money right. So from
Speaker 3: an outside perspective, we'll kind of break down how does
Speaker 3: this look for the Cowboys, how they handle their star players?
Speaker 2: Coming up? Decks on the players. Now stay right here
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Speaker 3: Newie scrudg. We had we had Barry Church who had
Speaker 3: to step out. He got, you know, Barry Church, he'd.
Speaker 4: Be on the big money.
Speaker 5: Barry got Demontree Moore me.
Speaker 3: So we got Anthony Dorsett and we're we're talking about
Speaker 3: this Mica situation. This is the topic of discussion. I
Speaker 3: had some other things planned as I was driving up
Speaker 3: here today and then that news hit and it was
Speaker 3: like all hell broke, lose, don't nothing else matter. And
Speaker 3: this is a pattern that the Cowboys have had when
Speaker 3: it comes to playing their star players.
Speaker 2: But this is played out in front of everybody.
Speaker 3: These shots that they taken at Micah and that digs
Speaker 3: and hell. Terrence Steele was sitting at the crib eating
Speaker 3: the chicken pop pie and they take a shot at him.
Speaker 3: They backed the bus up on him, and King of
Speaker 3: got contracts and paying players that probably don't deserve contracts.
Speaker 3: And then now you're looking at argu the best defensive
Speaker 3: player in the league, and he has come to a
Speaker 3: point where he said, I'm done. I washed my hands
Speaker 3: with this situation. I no longer want to be a
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys because of their inability to treat me how
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to be treated.
Speaker 2: That taking shots at me.
Speaker 3: They won't negotiate with my agent, they try to back
Speaker 3: me into a corner of these conversations in these rooms
Speaker 3: at the super Bowl, at all these different events that
Speaker 3: they had. I want to ask you guys a question,
Speaker 3: because playing for outside teams and being in this league
Speaker 3: on the outside peripheral.
Speaker 2: How does this look?
Speaker 3: How does this look if you're a guy and you're
Speaker 3: a pending free agent, this is the year that you're looking.
Speaker 3: You know, you're saying, man, this is my last year
Speaker 3: in this deal. Whatever current team I'm on, Maybe I
Speaker 3: am too. Like Micah, a Dallas Cowboys fan, my family
Speaker 3: is I've always wanted.
Speaker 2: To giving me this look?
Speaker 3: Are there they are outside free agents? Are players on.
Speaker 2: This team I e.
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith, Deron Bland, Guys who have contracts coming up?
Speaker 3: Are they looking at this bike the situation and saying,
Speaker 3: you know what, Doug, I don't want no part of that.
Speaker 3: That organization. I know the name is dead and the
Speaker 3: star is dead, but they ain't. They haven't won much
Speaker 3: in thirty years, and now this is how they're treating
Speaker 3: their star player, Dematra. You give me the faceh I'm
Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna let you rock out first.
Speaker 4: This is Kermit the Frog. Mean, if you ain't yeh man,
Speaker 4: that is their business and I'm gonna sip my tea
Speaker 4: at the end of the day. Like for guys that
Speaker 4: are in the organization, sure you might feel a little
Speaker 4: personal because it's like you work with this guy. If
Speaker 4: it's anybody that deserves it. Sure, but also you're taking
Speaker 4: a look and saying a step back, like if you're
Speaker 4: being realistic and if your agent is being realistic for
Speaker 4: free agents, guys that are listening to me or not
Speaker 4: or whatever, if it goes viral or not, like know
Speaker 4: your worth and know your value. But also with that
Speaker 4: being said, like it's gonna happen. The shield is the shield.
Speaker 4: Recruiting is recruiting. Let's not get it twisted. This is
Speaker 4: still America's team. This is still the most valuable team
Speaker 4: and franchise out of all thirty two teams. People will
Speaker 4: take less money just to come here so they can
Speaker 4: hopefully be the star on the field and realize it.
Speaker 4: As you mentioned earlier, the different brand deals, everything that's
Speaker 4: come along with it. You think, Micah, like you said
Speaker 4: Bleacher Report, Micah has cornerstone that corner, like Jerry has
Speaker 4: mentioned it in the past, like he's helped all his guys.
Speaker 4: Whatever you want to get into, we can help you
Speaker 4: get there. So they are sitting there saying like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: they're playing hardball. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like Nui said, the facts are there. Their guys get
Speaker 4: paid just like anywhere else, they get paid, and nobody's
Speaker 4: looking at that. You're gonna sit there and be like,
Speaker 4: not me, I'm gonna do this, and that I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take less money. I ain't gonna play as hardball. And
Speaker 4: guess what, when you're a record breaking guy, it's gonna
Speaker 4: take a lot longer. Everybody doesn't get paid when they
Speaker 4: want to get paid. Some guys get paid a little
Speaker 4: bit early in this and that. But guess what. They
Speaker 4: left some chicken out there, They left some skin on
Speaker 4: the bones, some meat there. Well, guess what right now, Mike,
Speaker 4: I already told you he said I'm not taking this
Speaker 4: and that I'm gonna get paid what I want to.
Speaker 4: So for him to get paid like that, it's gonna
Speaker 4: take time. And so for him to get there with
Speaker 4: those other guys in those free agents, they're gonna sit
Speaker 4: there and say, well, shoot, they gave him that bag.
Speaker 4: I know they got the bread over there. Hey, that's
Speaker 4: America's team. I know I can get this money off
Speaker 4: the field. So people are still gonna want to play
Speaker 4: for the start. It doesn't affect it.
Speaker 8: Just thinking about the names that you mentioned who have
Speaker 8: all gone through this, and it seems like they were
Speaker 8: all cowboy draft picks.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, that's one thing all right.
Speaker 8: So in that they've gone through their first contract with
Speaker 8: the team and now they're working on their second, know
Speaker 8: what I mean, it may be their biggest one. Free
Speaker 8: agents they ain't just chasing cast they chasing championships as well,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. And so it depends on
Speaker 8: what God we're talking about. He Jesse mentioned Cowboys ain't
Speaker 8: done nothing almost thirty years, you know, but pay some people,
Speaker 8: but they haven't won any championships. So as a free agent,
Speaker 8: if I'm looking at the opportunity, and it depends on
Speaker 8: what I'm chasing, okay, from chasing the bag, not worried
Speaker 8: about winning the championship or anything else like that, And
Speaker 8: I'm looking at, say some longevity as far as off
Speaker 8: the field things. And I know what this platform of
Speaker 8: the start can do for me. Oh yeah, I'm definitely
Speaker 8: interested in it. But if I'm chasing the bag and
Speaker 8: I'm chasing championships, as a free agent, looking at this
Speaker 8: situation here, like I'm knowing that I may come here
Speaker 8: from another team and have one deal here likely because
Speaker 8: that second deal here may be the hardest thing for
Speaker 8: me to ever get going, and somebody else may be
Speaker 8: able to pay me equal or close to it with
Speaker 8: less headache and may be able to get me to
Speaker 8: a better winning situation as well. So it just like Jesse, Yes,
Speaker 8: as a free agent, it would honestly depend on what
Speaker 8: I needed, what I wanted. And then I'm breaking down
Speaker 8: the structure of the team. Is this the championship team?
Speaker 8: What can we actually do with this team?
Speaker 4: But you proved, but you proved my points exactly what
Speaker 4: I'm saying that it's all the other outside stuff that
Speaker 4: proves and has the implication on what the original question was.
Speaker 4: Does this situation affect free agency? It's not. It's about
Speaker 4: what I said, the money, the brand, this and that,
Speaker 4: what you said, championships, rings and stuff like that, like
Speaker 4: Micah's situation.
Speaker 8: You don't think that a free agent sitting at home
Speaker 8: watching this is like saying like.
Speaker 4: Circus. There's certain people, Yeah, but everybody has a circus
Speaker 4: within theirselves, whether it's with a guy getting paid on time,
Speaker 4: a guy going to quote unquote a losing organization, and
Speaker 4: this and that. We all know if you're a playmaker,
Speaker 4: you're gonna change it. If you're a bad getter, you're
Speaker 4: gonna go get this bag. Like, yeah, there's gonna be
Speaker 4: some guys that might take it personal. The guys that
Speaker 4: have already made their money and stuff like that. Those vets. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they might say, hey, I don't want to go with
Speaker 4: the headache, so I'm not going to do that. But
Speaker 4: those are the guys that made their money, the guys
Speaker 4: that haven't got their back yet, they're gonna sit there
Speaker 4: and be like, it's America's team. I'm trying to get it,
Speaker 4: like everybody, what does every player do when we all
Speaker 4: came into the league. We can change an organization. We
Speaker 4: can change that, Like why not us? We're already anomaly
Speaker 4: by getting drafted and doing all these other things. I
Speaker 4: look at it where I'm betting on myself and saying, oh,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't do me like that, because I'm gonna come
Speaker 4: in here and do this or do that.
Speaker 8: In a different standpoint, I'm just saying free agents, everybody
Speaker 8: that's a free agent ain't got money.
Speaker 5: And everybody that's a free agent it may have some
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So what it boils down to, and what I'm trying
Speaker 8: to stick to is just a simple fact of like,
Speaker 8: as I'm sitting at home observing how they're treating their
Speaker 8: players that they've drafted that they supposed to already be
Speaker 8: in love with.
Speaker 5: I ain't part of that draft. They don't have no
Speaker 5: reason to love me.
Speaker 8: But for my production, I haven't been in that organization
Speaker 8: for a number of years.
Speaker 5: They haven't seen me day in and day out, show.
Speaker 8: Up, put my leadership to the to the to the
Speaker 8: point to the front of the everything that's going on,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. And so as guys sit
Speaker 8: back and they watch all this, no, it's it's a
Speaker 8: turnoff to a lot of dudes.
Speaker 5: It definitely would be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and perceptions, perceptions, everything is to have
Speaker 4: that half glass mentality, is it full or is it not?
Speaker 4: Like you said, I think I definitely agree with you
Speaker 4: as far as saying, there's gonna be some guys that
Speaker 4: are going to be turned off in that thing. But
Speaker 4: when it comes to talking to your contracts, those guys
Speaker 4: are typically the guys that's already made their money. The
Speaker 4: guys just say, hey, I can go over here and
Speaker 4: do this and do that before a guy that is
Speaker 4: sitting there talking to x's and those you're agent is
Speaker 4: saying get over there. And not everybody gets heartball like
Speaker 4: this with the cowboys when it comes to contract negotiation. Hell,
Speaker 4: they just paid the tight end. We didn't see it
Speaker 4: coming like that. Like there have been guys now outside.
Speaker 8: The tight that was hit their guy, but that doesn't
Speaker 8: have the amount of production, notoriety, leadership or anything like
Speaker 8: like Micah has that on this team.
Speaker 4: That's why I said, And then we.
Speaker 8: Talked earlier about you guys mentioned everybody else from Dak
Speaker 8: to Daz to all these dudes who have been in
Speaker 8: here put their best foot forward and still had to
Speaker 8: go through the whole fight and everything else to just
Speaker 8: get what they deserve, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 8: everybody didn't break the market or set the market. Some
Speaker 8: of these dudes got what the market was given. And
Speaker 8: if it's that hard, like I mean, if I'm Jerry negotiating,
Speaker 8: I see TJ White out there, I know what I
Speaker 8: got in my house right now. You know why let
Speaker 8: somebody else go set the market for you?
Speaker 4: Of course, I mean business wise you say that, but
Speaker 4: you're also now that's where it's above our pay grade.
Speaker 4: But your pride and egos getting into the way, that's
Speaker 4: where you are. I'm not going to say pride to ego,
Speaker 4: but that's where different. Who's gonna stick to their guns
Speaker 4: and say this and that and if I'm Jerry in
Speaker 4: my position and stuff like that, I'm the reason that
Speaker 4: the organization has gotten to where it is being worth
Speaker 4: the amount of money that is worth me paying the
Speaker 4: players like that, I'm gonna stick to my guns because
Speaker 4: guess what I'm gonna beat most likely guess what, who's
Speaker 4: gonna be here when you're going who was here before
Speaker 4: you got here? Who brought this here? So I'm gonna
Speaker 4: stand on that, just like a player gonna sit there
Speaker 4: and say, hey, I'm standing on my resume like this
Speaker 4: is what I did. And both of them are having
Speaker 4: a stale match. But guess what, you got two big
Speaker 4: horses that are round in each other. We don't know
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen. Who's gonna give first, and that's what
Speaker 4: it is. But we all know that whenever it gives
Speaker 4: and that Levy breaks, it's gonna break. Because the Brins
Speaker 4: trucks is rolling in. There's gonna be some type of
Speaker 4: deal or something that I'm telling you he might not
Speaker 4: have ownership, but he's gonna have some big land out there.
Speaker 4: And prosper Texas by Universal Studios.
Speaker 3: Well, the Cowboys will be back at practice tomorrow. They
Speaker 3: had a day off today, and boy talking about dropping
Speaker 3: some news on your day off. He ain't get fired
Speaker 3: the day off, drop some news on your day off.
Speaker 3: And I thank you guys for allowing me to join
Speaker 3: you today while Newie is in ox Star California. Yeah,
Speaker 3: mister mister noble himself. And uh, I think I may
Speaker 3: be back next week because I think so. I think
Speaker 3: Newie still might be.
Speaker 2: He still don't might be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, he said he was gonna be there
Speaker 4: until the game. So okay, next week, what Tuesday and Thursday?
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 3: They'll be back with you guys, Tuesday and Thursday next week. Yes,
Speaker 3: so hopefully we'll have something more productive to talk about. Well,
Speaker 3: we're gonna get into training camp and players and things
Speaker 3: of that nature. But I appreach you God to let
Speaker 3: me hackle you. Uh, Anthonys Demontree.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Barry Church for Newie, Scrugs for Paul, I'm Jesse holly Man.
Speaker 2: And the soap opera continues.
Speaker 3: It continues, and we'll see what the hell happens over
Speaker 3: the weekend.
Speaker 2: Micah has dropped.
Speaker 3: The big joker. We'll see what the response of the
Speaker 3: Jones family is. But we'll be here back here on
Speaker 3: the players Lounge next week. Thank you guys for joining us.
Speaker 3: We'll see you next time right there.
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