Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome to another edition of Notificent. I
Speaker 1: am one half of your host, Danny Fernandez, sitting across
Speaker 1: from me as always is. If you want anyway, how
Speaker 1: are you doing, Danny? If any day that we're together
Speaker 1: is a good day? Oh, I like the sound of that.
Speaker 1: That is very true. I feel the energy it is
Speaker 1: pumping through me. I'm ready to attack. This is actually
Speaker 1: kind of a big app you know, because I mean,
Speaker 1: this is the first one we've done in a while
Speaker 1: that one of us has been a hyper huge Well
Speaker 1: that's why I kind of pushed it off, because well,
Speaker 1: it's such a big it's such a big topic, and um,
Speaker 1: it covers a lot. And when you're you know, considered
Speaker 1: someone that knows a lot about it, you there's a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure. Even though she is my o G superhero,
Speaker 1: best of all time, the Goat, the one and only.
Speaker 1: But before we get into her, we have an expert here,
Speaker 1: uh Tamara Brooks, who's a writer of all things. Thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us, Thank you for having me. It's going
Speaker 1: pretty well. You're always my wonder Woman. Like we've been
Speaker 1: on Wonder Woman panels together at like Comic Con l
Speaker 1: a comic con. Wonder constant ego comic con. You're You're
Speaker 1: always my go to for You're just such a wealth
Speaker 1: of knowledge. I appreciate that greatly. She is my favorite.
Speaker 1: She is my guiding light in life. She is part
Speaker 1: like no joke. Like without the Linda Carter Wonder Woman series,
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of person I'd be because
Speaker 1: I probably have been drunk with power from being so
Speaker 1: tall as a kid. Um. But I was watching her
Speaker 1: show and it's like, well, but she's tall. She uses
Speaker 1: her powers to help people, and I should help people
Speaker 1: that everyone in your family is also super nerdy, Like
Speaker 1: I went to lunch with your family at comic was
Speaker 1: it a comic wonder Yeah, her family loves me, by
Speaker 1: the way, your mom has adopted me. But like your family,
Speaker 1: I think we argued like everybody was there, and it
Speaker 1: was literally arguing about representation and comics like who is
Speaker 1: the best like Batman or who? Like it was all
Speaker 1: of the It was so funny at the table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's And it's funny because my mom, who never was
Speaker 1: like a nerd nerd when we were kids, but like
Speaker 1: always kind of watch stuff with us, and she was
Speaker 1: a nerd about certain things, like she loved Dynasty, and
Speaker 1: she loved Dallas, and she loved like certain TV shows
Speaker 1: were like her jam but like you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like the same you know thing like she like really
Speaker 1: like soaps and all that kind of stuff. Um, but
Speaker 1: she is, uh, she's a teacher. She was one of
Speaker 1: the um uh first Uh she's at the forefront of
Speaker 1: antibios education in California and probably everywhere. So like that
Speaker 1: was like I am partially the way I am because
Speaker 1: of her, you know, genetics and all that stuff, and
Speaker 1: because she's always been about you know, representation and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, teaching kids how to just see each other
Speaker 1: as people and stuff like that. So um yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's And so it's funny now because she will watch
Speaker 1: all these Marvel movies and all DC movies or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it'll take about like a year for her to
Speaker 1: see them because she waits until they're on like TBS
Speaker 1: and so so like it'll be like a year and
Speaker 1: a half ago will go by, and then my mom
Speaker 1: will call me one day and she's like, I just
Speaker 1: saw Batman the Superman, and you know, she just just
Speaker 1: start talking about her opinions about it. It's actually pretty great,
Speaker 1: Like oh no, we already went. We are. But it's
Speaker 1: adorable because it's like, you know, a grenade of reactions,
Speaker 1: you know, like she just throw it and you had
Speaker 1: wait for like a real long time before Mom's goes off.
Speaker 1: So um so yeah, And so sometimes she'll call me
Speaker 1: and have questions about stuff, like she has very definitive
Speaker 1: opinions about um, all the things that she watches. She
Speaker 1: very much likes Henry Calvil. She thinks Ben Affleck was
Speaker 1: a good Batman, but did not like the movie at all.
Speaker 1: She did not think it was well written. So that's
Speaker 1: what my mom says, she shouldn't start her own YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: I know, I keep thinking about doing like a short
Speaker 1: thing with my mom and just being like five minute
Speaker 1: mom interviews or that's hilarious. So we normally start our
Speaker 1: podcast with what people are seeking out about? What are
Speaker 1: you seeking out about? This week? It's two different things
Speaker 1: on very different sides of the spectrum. So one is
Speaker 1: the Cartoon Network series Summer Camp Island. It is the cutest,
Speaker 1: most adorable thing I've ever seen in my life, but
Speaker 1: also not like Saccarin too much in a way, but
Speaker 1: like it's about these like kids who are actually animals,
Speaker 1: but they're people, you know, at this at the summer
Speaker 1: camp that's on the island that turns out to be magical.
Speaker 1: So the camp counselors are witches, and the trees talk,
Speaker 1: and there's a moon that says stuff, and there's like
Speaker 1: Yettie and all that stuff, and then um, the main
Speaker 1: character's pajamas have a little face and it's his friend,
Speaker 1: and it's just so cute but also just like really
Speaker 1: enjoyable and it's very soothing because of the world's on fire.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. The other thing old murder mystery
Speaker 1: shows I have been watching really, yes, I've been watching
Speaker 1: a lot of Matlock Murder, she wrote, and heart to
Speaker 1: Heart because I am also a insomniac, so so I'm
Speaker 1: like it's three in the morning when I'm oh, look murder,
Speaker 1: she wrote, Let's get a cracking heart to heart Hello. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's and it's also, you know, as a writer,
Speaker 1: looking at the way that stories evolve is really interesting.
Speaker 1: And I like mysteries a lot, but I don't tend
Speaker 1: to write them, so it's like kind of looking at
Speaker 1: that process is also really interesting to me. And then
Speaker 1: seeing like a bunch of guest stars from back in
Speaker 1: the day. That's also, yeah, that's true. What about you, Danny?
Speaker 1: When are you into? When are you nerd out about?
Speaker 1: Right now? You know, there's two things that will throw
Speaker 1: in there. Um. One is Glow season three is drop
Speaker 1: their trailer. They're coming out really excited about that. I
Speaker 1: pretty much binge it the second that it drops. That's
Speaker 1: what I do. Uh. The second is, I guess I
Speaker 1: haven't talked about Ship's Creek, which is like for everyone
Speaker 1: that watches it is like duh. But there's still so
Speaker 1: many people that haven't seen it yet. And I see
Speaker 1: people tweet like, why did no one tell me about
Speaker 1: this show? Um? It is amazing. In fact, Dan Levy,
Speaker 1: who is Eugene Levy's son and they play father and
Speaker 1: son in the series, just won an MTV Award this
Speaker 1: past weekend, and he started at MTV he was a host,
Speaker 1: so that's pretty cool that it's come full circle for him. Um,
Speaker 1: such a great show. Catherine O'Hara probably like my favorite
Speaker 1: that I've ever seen her. She's Oh my gosh, it's
Speaker 1: like all of her roles like just combined. She gets
Speaker 1: to play a kind of washed up actress in this
Speaker 1: and so she gets to combine like every role that
Speaker 1: you've probably seen her in and her accents are crazy
Speaker 1: and she's just she's so funny. Um. But it's perfect
Speaker 1: ensemble cast, Like the writing is so quick, so funny.
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about it. I've watched like the
Speaker 1: first several seasons multiple times and now they're on um
Speaker 1: I think season five or six. But yeah, seeing every episode,
Speaker 1: it is amazing. Um. Can I add one thing because
Speaker 1: I forgot about it to the amazing world of Gumball.
Speaker 1: Also never show that like surprisingly nobody talks about. But
Speaker 1: it's like the trippiest, most awesome, Like they'll have like
Speaker 1: crazy like existential episodes and uh, you know, they had
Speaker 1: a thing where like they they change animation style. So
Speaker 1: there's an episode with their mom fighting a childhood friend
Speaker 1: that turned into anime at the end, Like it was
Speaker 1: just it's a great show, guys, It's a great show.
Speaker 1: Check out show what about you, Iffie? You know, as always,
Speaker 1: I'm ginking about some video game or another. And the
Speaker 1: two video games I'm geeking out about now is the
Speaker 1: first one is Death Guarden Blood Harvest, which is made
Speaker 1: by Bad Behavior, the same folks who made uh Dead
Speaker 1: by Daylight, which is if you don't know Dead by Daylight,
Speaker 1: it's a horror game where it's a team of five
Speaker 1: survivors versus one monsters. And what's cool is they've done
Speaker 1: like collapse with actual horror I p so leather faces
Speaker 1: in the game. You have uh the saw pig in
Speaker 1: the game and other different things and you have abilities.
Speaker 1: So they went and it's kind of the same format,
Speaker 1: but instead of being horror, it's more action and it
Speaker 1: takes place in this dysatopian future where in order to
Speaker 1: make it into the enclave, which is where all the
Speaker 1: cream of the crop people, you fight your way through
Speaker 1: the slums and you have to survive in the death
Speaker 1: garden the blood hardest and you collect blood uh sacrifice
Speaker 1: it and then eventually it'll open the door. But there
Speaker 1: are hunters there. There's one main hunter who is hunting
Speaker 1: you down. So there's uh about five players who are
Speaker 1: scavengers trying to survive. You don't have any type of
Speaker 1: lethal weapons or abilities. All your abilities or mobility hiding based.
Speaker 1: One of the characters I like to use, H has
Speaker 1: active CAMO that drops an a O E area of
Speaker 1: effect on the ground that makes you invisible and can
Speaker 1: run away, and you just have to try and collect
Speaker 1: things while this machine gun bad guy is just chasing
Speaker 1: you around. It's essentially just crazy tag. It's deadly tag.
Speaker 1: And the other game is Judgment, which is made by
Speaker 1: the same developers of the Yakuza series, except this one
Speaker 1: is a detective game, where like you are a private
Speaker 1: investigator and you take on missions, but like they can
Speaker 1: be as simple as find out if someone's wife is
Speaker 1: cheating on them, and as you know, goes deeper than that.
Speaker 1: And I'll probably just be playing that NonStop because it's fun.
Speaker 1: I haven't played any of the other Yakuza game, so
Speaker 1: this seems like a fun place to start. But that's
Speaker 1: what I've been thinking about. Well, I think it's time
Speaker 1: that we hop into our our Woman of the Hour,
Speaker 1: the Woman wonder, the woman, the myth, the legend, wondrous
Speaker 1: and a woman. Yeah, she's um super dope. She is
Speaker 1: one of the first superheroes just period, especially the ones
Speaker 1: that still exists and right now. Um. She She and
Speaker 1: Captain America debut in the same year, so about ten
Speaker 1: aouts of parts. So she was and um also interesting
Speaker 1: because their colors are the same. Yeah, and the same
Speaker 1: pretty similar and the American flag essentially. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: interesting because they kind of both did come from a
Speaker 1: place of challenging society at the moment, because you know,
Speaker 1: Captain America is very much hate punch Nazi. Yeah so,
Speaker 1: and then she also punches Nazis because that's also a
Speaker 1: thing that you're supposed to do. But like, um, you know,
Speaker 1: Captain America was very much about, um, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of like an immigrant ideal, like rising up for your
Speaker 1: country kind of situation. And Wonder Woman is a feminist ideal,
Speaker 1: which when you say feminism, you don't think nineteen forties,
Speaker 1: but hey, that stuff existed then yeah. Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: want to talk about her creator? Yes? So her creator
Speaker 1: who there's a movie about him and this this whole situation. Um,
Speaker 1: did you like it? I didn't end up seeing it
Speaker 1: yet because I'm behind on everything. Um, but I like
Speaker 1: the cast and it looked cool, so I'm definitely it's
Speaker 1: on my list. I'm like, I have fourteen episodes of
Speaker 1: Superdult Girl. Everything's been on fire, Like I'm so behind
Speaker 1: on everything, but um, yeah, so. William Molton Marston UH
Speaker 1: is also known for um developing the polygraph and also
Speaker 1: the basically the blood pressure uh you know the system. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he created the systolic blood pressure tests, which was one
Speaker 1: component that they used for a polygraph. Yeah, so you
Speaker 1: know the same thing that tells you make sure that
Speaker 1: you don't like blow your lid because you're too stressed. Also,
Speaker 1: thanks to the guy who created Wonder would well, it's
Speaker 1: interesting connection because she has a lasso of truth and
Speaker 1: that was like a truth telling machine. So it's definitely
Speaker 1: like his I believe he developed a polygraph first, which
Speaker 1: is how that and that also kind of in developing
Speaker 1: the polygraph, he found out that during his tests that
Speaker 1: women responded much differently under pressure and better under the
Speaker 1: pressures of the tests, and so that was kind of
Speaker 1: that kind of tied into his you know, he's married
Speaker 1: to a very strong woman. They was, you know, she's
Speaker 1: really awesome. She was actually very paramount. And actually the
Speaker 1: creation of Wonder wound because when he said, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to create this character that does this that that
Speaker 1: she's like great, make it a woman. Um, so he
Speaker 1: already has these ideals of you know, women are really dope,
Speaker 1: we should maybe listen to them and maybe they should
Speaker 1: run more stuff and uh you know, you know, and
Speaker 1: and the fact that he wanted to it a character
Speaker 1: that girls could look up to and be good with
Speaker 1: being feminine and not just being you know, like a
Speaker 1: masculine version. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we've I think we talked
Speaker 1: about this on a panel that we were on that
Speaker 1: they that their strength and femininity. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of times they think that they have to give them
Speaker 1: male traits. And there's something about Wonder Woman being like
Speaker 1: the thing that I liked in her um in the
Speaker 1: movie was that she when she walked by a baby
Speaker 1: and it was like it's a baby, you know, like
Speaker 1: it was such a They still kept that element of
Speaker 1: her um. But yeah, So speaking of Elizabeth Marston, she
Speaker 1: was a psychologist and an attorney and professor Marston who
Speaker 1: created Wonder Woman, you know, essentially with her or inspired
Speaker 1: by her and their life partner Olive Burne, who is
Speaker 1: important because they were in a polyamorous relationship. I was
Speaker 1: just reading up on this. Yeah, yeah, you should watch
Speaker 1: the movie. Um so, and I will say that there's
Speaker 1: an interesting thing about that where that was that's a
Speaker 1: conclusion that was made that's never been verified, that's true
Speaker 1: that Yeah. Yeah, so I just want to say that
Speaker 1: because it's really interesting and I think we really really
Speaker 1: want to believe it and it actually makes a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. But a lot of respect for the family,
Speaker 1: I would like to at least bring up the fact
Speaker 1: that we don't know if that's a hunter, I understand.
Speaker 1: I also think at that time there's no way you
Speaker 1: could be a queer woman openly, right, your family probably
Speaker 1: so she so um and alive. At least this is rumored.
Speaker 1: I guess. Then we'll say that all have had female lovers.
Speaker 1: And that is another reason why I mean, to us,
Speaker 1: wonder woman is queer, she's seen as a queer character.
Speaker 1: That is always an interesting thing with you know, blanks,
Speaker 1: things like these not being confirmed by the family, because
Speaker 1: this is like, uh, you know, I want to talk
Speaker 1: to the friends then, because because like a lot of
Speaker 1: sectually with especially when it comes to queer and stuff
Speaker 1: like this, it's always like, well, were you not confirming it?
Speaker 1: It's like, are you not confirming it because you didn't
Speaker 1: see it happen or because you don't want it to
Speaker 1: be part of their legacy because you think it's a
Speaker 1: bad thing. But and you know, and and it's in
Speaker 1: society from a society perspective, They probably felt like they
Speaker 1: couldn't say anything like yeah, because to be honest, the
Speaker 1: latter is essentially worse because then you would think, okay,
Speaker 1: maybe there there was a Well then then now we're like, all, like,
Speaker 1: what did this happen? Either way, they seem to have
Speaker 1: had a dope unit and it was absolutely and it worked.
Speaker 1: And I think that everybody wants it to be true
Speaker 1: now because we because not even because the salaciousness of it,
Speaker 1: but because that's just super dope. That's like just it's
Speaker 1: a really positive way that it's not women competing with
Speaker 1: each other, or at least maybe in the beginning they
Speaker 1: kind of were, and then they ended up, you know,
Speaker 1: not you know, realizing that they work better as a team.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so let's hop into Diana Prince. So let's
Speaker 1: just do the nitty gritty and we'll just say that.
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman is a superhero appearing in the American comic
Speaker 1: books published by d C Comics. The character is a
Speaker 1: founding member of the Justice League, and the character first
Speaker 1: appeared in All Star Comics number eight in October ninety one,
Speaker 1: with her first feature being in Sensation Comics number one
Speaker 1: in January nine two, and you were you had like
Speaker 1: a dope ut fact when we drop a little knowledge.
Speaker 1: I got. So I got to go on the DC
Speaker 1: Archives tour, which is amazing. Um, I wanted to stay
Speaker 1: in there forever. Uh. And I found out that basically
Speaker 1: the All Star Comics UH story was a condensed version
Speaker 1: of like that's part of the reason why there's so
Speaker 1: much like text on all the boxes and stuff, because
Speaker 1: they only had like five D eight pages in there. Um,
Speaker 1: and they wanted to basically have a trailer before her
Speaker 1: comic came out for real in January. So um, that
Speaker 1: was a that was a nice little yeah that I
Speaker 1: didn't Yeah, did you get to see it? And I got?
Speaker 1: I got, I got who hold it in a special
Speaker 1: case obviously what I said. So you posted a picture
Speaker 1: of the DC Archives and my first thought was like,
Speaker 1: these are sex toys because it was a whip. It
Speaker 1: was like that looked like something else and there was
Speaker 1: like but it's so funny because relating back to Professor Marston,
Speaker 1: he was that he was into S and M and
Speaker 1: they and it was interesting that they had like that.
Speaker 1: This was actually brought up that people were accusing him
Speaker 1: of having bondage, spanking, homosexuality like in his comics, which
Speaker 1: again this was in the forties, so it's like to me,
Speaker 1: it's super dope and like slid that in there. But anyway,
Speaker 1: it definitely some of those the original DC archive like stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I could I see what they were
Speaker 1: doing well. And also I think that it seems like
Speaker 1: it's really like out of ordinary for that kind of
Speaker 1: slacious stuff to be in the books. But if you
Speaker 1: actually look at the comics from back then, like the
Speaker 1: third Easy mean, they've got crazy stuff going on. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of like female vigilantes that like merk dudes
Speaker 1: left and right, and like like we had water up,
Speaker 1: but we had water propaganda. But also these men were
Speaker 1: reading these during like that we're going to war, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They were like so in the
Speaker 1: same way that early pornography, you know, like they had
Speaker 1: some of those maga the pin up and she looks
Speaker 1: like you know, to some extent. Although he definitely kept her,
Speaker 1: she was definitely sexualized later. I think her early stages
Speaker 1: were not as much and you can and those and
Speaker 1: also her that skirt in that first episode that first
Speaker 1: issue is not actually skirts cots. You can actually clearly.
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? Yeah, they're just flowing breathe. Um, we
Speaker 1: have I know this is gonna this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a three hour there's so much. Uh so. She her
Speaker 1: official title is Princess Diana of themis Cia also known
Speaker 1: as Paradise Island. Um. That's what I told it forever
Speaker 1: because my first comic was of her, was her original
Speaker 1: run from Marston and they called it Parents. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's also why. And she's a daughter of Hippolita.
Speaker 1: That is also why. I'm a hardcore old school O
Speaker 1: g that she came from Clay because that was her
Speaker 1: original that has been changed a couple of times. I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. We have to ika.
Speaker 1: Yes she is uh, this is from Wikipedia. She has
Speaker 1: no father, which is what I guess you and I
Speaker 1: subscribe to UM. But she was created by Zeus. There
Speaker 1: are there are issues where Hippolita and I believe Athena
Speaker 1: are fighting over Zeus. I think that's as a Rillo's
Speaker 1: run and I dated that because we went from essentially
Speaker 1: we went from women being like this island of women
Speaker 1: were all together. We're like, you know, we're not each
Speaker 1: other's competition to these two women fighting over a dudes.
Speaker 1: And on top of that, they made it so that
Speaker 1: a bunch of the other Amazons would make fun of
Speaker 1: her and call her clay, which I was also is
Speaker 1: dumb and awful and like, I just hate everything pretty
Speaker 1: much that they did, except for Cliff Chang's art. Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't know what you're saying. Brian as Arello
Speaker 1: went and did this, like, you know, almost stereotypical representation
Speaker 1: of woman, the same Brian as Arello who made Cage.
Speaker 1: I actually like Cage. I like as much as as
Speaker 1: much as most people hate it, right, I think, um,
Speaker 1: I think Jeff was saying how much he didn't like
Speaker 1: it either. Was that the first time because I don't
Speaker 1: want I mean, I don't want anyone to write it.
Speaker 1: Is that the first time that they had that, that
Speaker 1: they had the two of them fighting over as far
Speaker 1: as I know, as far as I know, so like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so the origin kind of so she gets made out
Speaker 1: of clay, which is, by the way, Greek origin myths.
Speaker 1: So I don't understand why making her chick hercules makes
Speaker 1: anymore Greek mythology, but whatever, So she starts out being
Speaker 1: made by Clay given life. Yeah, so Robert Canninger when
Speaker 1: he took over in the I believe was the early sixties,
Speaker 1: he expanded on her myth so that that's where all
Speaker 1: the gods giving her various gifts came from. So that's
Speaker 1: the you know, as beautiful as aphro diety. And then
Speaker 1: that's where that came from. That was the period that
Speaker 1: that came from. So that was the beginning of the
Speaker 1: Silver Age and so um, then she got depowered because
Speaker 1: the Amazons had to leave this dimension. That's when she
Speaker 1: became a spy. And then she got her powers back
Speaker 1: in the early seventies. If you're wearing all white outfit
Speaker 1: with a gun in like a mad dress's And then
Speaker 1: at one point she was well she started out as
Speaker 1: a secretary, but technically and Justice League well secretary, but
Speaker 1: that was to like hide her amongst the normi people. Yes,
Speaker 1: yeah that that, yeah, as opposed to then being despite
Speaker 1: being the most powerful person there being the Justice League secretary.
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Comics Code everybody for messing up
Speaker 1: a whole lot of women's comics during that time. Yeah
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, So we are going to break down
Speaker 1: the rest of her origin as well as her transition
Speaker 1: throughout the comics right after this and we're back. If
Speaker 1: you did you want to take us through the golden
Speaker 1: age of Wonder Woman, I mean, you know, if you need,
Speaker 1: if you need me to do that. So well, this
Speaker 1: is udly one of my favorite. I think it's because
Speaker 1: it was my first comics that I read of her.
Speaker 1: Now I have like an omnibus of that original her
Speaker 1: forties run. But it was because she was saying things
Speaker 1: that you weren't supposed to say back then. As a woman,
Speaker 1: she was doing things that you weren't supposed to do,
Speaker 1: and for me, it just meant that much more as
Speaker 1: much I love her today, seeing that they actually published
Speaker 1: this stuff back in the forties, with like what she
Speaker 1: was saying and doing, it just meant a lot to me.
Speaker 1: So it's it's also like in our Looney Tunes episode,
Speaker 1: there is stuff of that time which is racist, um,
Speaker 1: and they're aware of it, but the rest of it
Speaker 1: is a good truck for her origin story. Initially, Wonder
Speaker 1: Woman was an Amazon champion who wins the right to
Speaker 1: return Steve Trevor, who was a United States Intelligence officer
Speaker 1: who's playing a crash on the Amazon's isolated up island
Speaker 1: to the Man's World and to fight crime in the
Speaker 1: evil of the Nazis. And during this period, Wonder Woman
Speaker 1: joined the Justice Society of America as the team's secretary. Actually,
Speaker 1: it's really interesting because I think it was his. It
Speaker 1: was either a nurse or his like this kind of
Speaker 1: flip flopped. But remember she took the name of Diana
Speaker 1: Prince because there was instead of just shortening her name,
Speaker 1: which she literally used Diana, A pretty says. They like
Speaker 1: had this whole thing where there was another woman named
Speaker 1: Diana Prince and she takes her, she takes she takes
Speaker 1: her name tag or whatever opposed I don't know who
Speaker 1: came back the editor that was like, it doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense to shorten her name. We need another person that
Speaker 1: actually has that name, you know, because I guess she
Speaker 1: wouldn't know about falsifying documents back then, but like, did
Speaker 1: you really need a falsified documents in the follies anything?
Speaker 1: But essentially they did that in the movie they had her.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, this is my secretary, Diana. And it's
Speaker 1: also very similar like the Wonder Woman TV show, which
Speaker 1: we'll get into later. But that pilot is a really,
Speaker 1: really really accurate to Golden Age Wonder Woman, Like it's
Speaker 1: really like an encapsulation of kind of what that was like.
Speaker 1: Even though I do think Diana is a little I
Speaker 1: don't want to say softer in in the TV show
Speaker 1: because I don't mean that necessarily, but she's like they
Speaker 1: definitely play up the loving part of it, you know,
Speaker 1: so versus a lot of the stuff that we've seeing
Speaker 1: like Justice Leaden Limited, where she's a lot hard, harder,
Speaker 1: which would we also get into that later as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the Silver Age you kind of already talked about it,
Speaker 1: but what should people know? She so she was depowered?
Speaker 1: She go ahead, Okay, so the there's two two major
Speaker 1: things happened in the Silver Age. So the first thing
Speaker 1: is that she gets depowered. Um, and that happens in
Speaker 1: the about mid sixties, uh, going into the early seventies.
Speaker 1: And uh. Part of this, you know, was because of
Speaker 1: the popularity of the British show The Avengers, which was
Speaker 1: spy based. Yeah, and so I'm appeared. Yeah, she was
Speaker 1: like a huge, huge deal. So they're like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know, let's do this with Diane and she'll do
Speaker 1: spy stuff and karate chop people and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. And um, I think that that was a
Speaker 1: in retrospect, that was the thing that hurt her because
Speaker 1: during this time period, all her other contemporaries are getting
Speaker 1: the characters that would end up being really powerful rogues
Speaker 1: when they get like reinterpreted in the eighties. But you
Speaker 1: can't really use most of her villains from that time
Speaker 1: because they are spy villains and as a powered up
Speaker 1: wonder woman, she would annihilate them, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like there's like, no, there's no real real matchup there.
Speaker 1: So um. That ends up running for about eight years
Speaker 1: or so. Um, and then about seventy two she gets
Speaker 1: her powers back and at that point, uh, she they
Speaker 1: do a movie with Kathy Lee Crosby based on that
Speaker 1: seventies the spy era level. It does Okay, people aren't
Speaker 1: like super into it. It's fine. Uh. And then a
Speaker 1: couple of years later, I think exactly two years later
Speaker 1: than the Linda Carter pilot airs and everybody loves it,
Speaker 1: they decided to go back to the original Golden Age
Speaker 1: version of it, and that show runs for three or
Speaker 1: four seasons, and she came up with the spinning she did. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: she added that as a way to because they weren't
Speaker 1: able to show on television, like how in the world
Speaker 1: does she transformed? Yeah, yeah, exactly, So um and So
Speaker 1: that have a booth like a Superman exactly, she didn't
Speaker 1: have a booth. And like even though in the earlier
Speaker 1: episode they do this kind of time lapse thing where
Speaker 1: you see her like like magically like shifting or clothes
Speaker 1: um And they do a lot of echoing of that
Speaker 1: in art that you see where you see like it's
Speaker 1: like five images of her and it's like she's in
Speaker 1: the thing and then it's the and and that's kind
Speaker 1: of that's what that's harkening back to um And So
Speaker 1: in the comics, she Um is you know, she has
Speaker 1: her powers now, she's a full fledged member of the league.
Speaker 1: She's flourishing now in the seventies with her powers back
Speaker 1: and from the popularity of this TV show, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of what makes her, uh, you know, a much
Speaker 1: more well known character around the world. In addition, they
Speaker 1: also have the Challenges super Friends show that starts on TV,
Speaker 1: so that also helps bolster not just her place, but
Speaker 1: you know, people kind of didn't know, some of these
Speaker 1: other characters until the show starts at it. So, um So,
Speaker 1: now you have this period of the mid to late seventies,
Speaker 1: so the like mid eighties where d C isn't having
Speaker 1: this really big push and Wonder Woman is really really
Speaker 1: entrenched in all that. Um it was interesting because it
Speaker 1: was the same time in the seventies that the Bionic
Speaker 1: Woman show came out. They were definitely trying to It
Speaker 1: was just an interesting time for women too, for representation
Speaker 1: on TV. And you know, and Charlie's Angel started not
Speaker 1: too long after that and Cagney Laces. I really do
Speaker 1: feel like I think the successive Wonder Woman really did
Speaker 1: help bolster a lot of this stuff kind of like oh,
Speaker 1: black Panthers doing well, Oh they want to see black superheroes,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's that that thing where like one
Speaker 1: thing is successful and then they want to make a
Speaker 1: bunch of other ones because they see people actually watched
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, we had no idea what um so yeah.
Speaker 1: So so that was a really interesting period. So the
Speaker 1: and in the seventies eras usually is known as the
Speaker 1: Bronze Age um seventies to like yeah to like mid eighties,
Speaker 1: early nineties um. And so what's really interesting Then at
Speaker 1: this point d C and the Comics has a bunch
Speaker 1: of multiple different Earths. So Paradise Island is what the
Speaker 1: island is actually called on like I think Earth two
Speaker 1: and four, and then it's the Mascara on Earth like
Speaker 1: one and six. You know. So when Crisis on Infinite
Speaker 1: Earth's happens, um, all this stuff gets collapsed into one timeline.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the different versions of different people
Speaker 1: kind of go away, you know, they you know, reformat things.
Speaker 1: And this is also a next Golden Era, I would say,
Speaker 1: and for people that just because we talked about Crisis
Speaker 1: on Infinite Earths another episode, but just to remind people, yes,
Speaker 1: the Crisis on Infinite Earths is and be prepared for
Speaker 1: this if you watch the Flash and the c W,
Speaker 1: it is an event that could cause the extinction of
Speaker 1: life on every single planet in the multiverse, um, every
Speaker 1: every single to mention in the multiverse in the DC universe.
Speaker 1: So all the heroes of basically every dimension get together,
Speaker 1: at least the surviving ones at that point, get together
Speaker 1: to stop this calamity. Uh. This is where Barry Allen
Speaker 1: dies or disappears in the Speed Force depending on which
Speaker 1: air of comic you read. Um and and this sets
Speaker 1: up a lot of really interesting stuff going forward. And
Speaker 1: this collapses all the history of every single Earth into one.
Speaker 1: For example, Um the Huntress was initially from Earth to
Speaker 1: and she's the daughter of Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle. Um.
Speaker 1: When after the collapse happens, she gets brought back as
Speaker 1: Helena Burton Nelly, who is the daughter of a mob
Speaker 1: boss who gets murdered in front of her, and then
Speaker 1: she becomes a vigilante. So they keep a lot of
Speaker 1: the characters, but then they kind of switch them up
Speaker 1: based on, you know what, what's going on there. So
Speaker 1: in this case, the Mascara is now officially the name
Speaker 1: of the island. Period Wonder Woman is a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: but she still has the same basic origin. So and
Speaker 1: and this is this is the beginning of what what
Speaker 1: is the foundation of most modern Wonder Woman's stuff is
Speaker 1: George Perez's run. That's h and he that was like
Speaker 1: a ten year run, I think on the book. George Perez,
Speaker 1: who did Crisis on Infinite Earth. He is many people's
Speaker 1: favorite Wonder Woman writer. Yeah, and one of their favorite
Speaker 1: artists too, because he and and he you know he
Speaker 1: also ifview the name sounds familiar from other books, is
Speaker 1: because he did Titans, he did Christ and Ears, he
Speaker 1: did the j L A Avengers thing that came out,
Speaker 1: and like the two Thousands, he did a Supermarri Like
Speaker 1: he's like everywhere and most likely that curly haired version
Speaker 1: of Wonder Woman where her hair is like really kind
Speaker 1: of cool and defined and she's like pretty decently buff. Uh.
Speaker 1: That is George Perez. That's like because she got like
Speaker 1: toned up in the seventies, but like fully buff wonder
Speaker 1: Woman Amazonian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She looks like she could
Speaker 1: kick your ass in a decathalon because she could, and
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like so that Perez run
Speaker 1: Um takes the the kind of best stuff from before
Speaker 1: and really like gives it a lot a new new life. Um.
Speaker 1: He also does the imbument of powers from the Gods,
Speaker 1: but instead of it just being like, oh, you're really pretty,
Speaker 1: it's like she can talk to animals, she can um
Speaker 1: her image. She's immortal. But one of the things that
Speaker 1: she can do to heal if she's gravely injured, she
Speaker 1: can lay in the earth and cover herself and earth
Speaker 1: and get healed. Because she's up the Earth, because she's
Speaker 1: the Earth. So that's a lot of really cool stuff
Speaker 1: that comes out of that. And so she thrived for
Speaker 1: a really long time. Um, and then the nineties happened,
Speaker 1: and the nineties was kind of weird. This is about
Speaker 1: when I started reading comic books. So the nineties are
Speaker 1: really weird because there's a lot of like really awesome
Speaker 1: stories that were happening during that period with a lot
Speaker 1: of off putting art for me. So, yes, so we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about Yeah, we're gonna talk about Artemis
Speaker 1: real quick. Um. So in this modern contemporary age, especially
Speaker 1: in the nineties, this kicks off. The eighties in particular,
Speaker 1: was an era of I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: will call it more adult storytelling. This is where the
Speaker 1: Dark Knight gets that gets to be the Dark Knight,
Speaker 1: you know. This is where a lot of comics that
Speaker 1: people are saying are the best comics ever made they
Speaker 1: get made during this period. Um, and so they're experimenting
Speaker 1: more with this stuff. This Jason Todd gets killed. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, like Superman, Like they actually Superman, Batman, and
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman all lose their mantles, all within like two
Speaker 1: years of each other like this period of like five years,
Speaker 1: everybody gets there, their titles usurped from them for various reasons,
Speaker 1: and Wonder Woman is no uh no exception to this.
Speaker 1: So they find this lost tribe of amazons Um called
Speaker 1: the Bonna mcdal and they are real hardcore and they're
Speaker 1: like and so the when they come back to the island,
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, well we weren't here during the contest
Speaker 1: of Champions, so we should be able to do the
Speaker 1: contes as the champions too. So they take their best warrior, Artemis,
Speaker 1: and she actually in so Diana is no longer technically
Speaker 1: a wonder Woman. This is where if you've ever seen
Speaker 1: a picture of her wearing bicycle shorts, this is where
Speaker 1: that comes from. All of her iterations are so like
Speaker 1: her eighties. There was one in the eighties and she
Speaker 1: just looked like she was like in Madonna's music video
Speaker 1: or something. You know what I'm talking like, I think
Speaker 1: she had a leather jacket. Yeah, that's that's that's the
Speaker 1: same one. It's a leather jacket with the bicycle shorts
Speaker 1: in the top. Yeah, she looks like she's in a
Speaker 1: music factor but specifically, but I'm not gonna lie because
Speaker 1: the new Wonder Woman that's dropping. Um, I believe we're
Speaker 1: not going to get it in twenty nineteen yet, now
Speaker 1: aren't we? Okay? I think, Um, I have a computer
Speaker 1: in front of me. I could literally look. Plus, I
Speaker 1: retweeted when Patty Jenkins, yeah pretty sure. Yeah, Wonder Woman
Speaker 1: four literally takes place in eighty four, as it says, UM,
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of curious if they're going to put
Speaker 1: her in. I would love to see Diana in eighties
Speaker 1: where yes, she has to be to blend in. I've
Speaker 1: seen a couple of like photos from like you know,
Speaker 1: the shoot or whatever, and I try not to look
Speaker 1: at them very much because I don't like being spoiled
Speaker 1: the head of things too hard because I already guess
Speaker 1: what happens in movies without it. But I just was
Speaker 1: so curious about her clothes. There is some shoulder pads
Speaker 1: happening in one of the outfits, so definitely. And I
Speaker 1: saw one picture of another person and in the most
Speaker 1: eighties track suit, and I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 1: But I will say, you know, if we're talking about
Speaker 1: her outfit, I want to call attention to UM. The
Speaker 1: poster for eighty four, which people are like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: like Metropolis, and it's like this. That's true, it is
Speaker 1: very visually similar to that stuff. But I also want
Speaker 1: to point out that in the comics, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite things that she has for her alternative outfits is
Speaker 1: her eagle armor, which has these giant golden wings on
Speaker 1: them and like this giant helmet, and I just think
Speaker 1: it's so great. So I feel like that I'm getting
Speaker 1: Eagle armor. It also kind of looks like Donna Troy's
Speaker 1: rebirth costume in a way, like the way that's armored. Um,
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes, and if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, we'll post a link to it. It's like
Speaker 1: such a pretty it's so pretty. It's a gorgeous post.
Speaker 1: All of her posters the movie, the first one that
Speaker 1: came out, Oh my gosh, there was one of her
Speaker 1: lifting a tanker, like a tank remember that, And I
Speaker 1: just that was my favorite. Well, I'm so I marked
Speaker 1: really hard for that one, and I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I was trying to keep my my hopes down for
Speaker 1: the movie, to be honest, because I was really afraid.
Speaker 1: I was like, like, I was really nervous like I
Speaker 1: was legitimately actually afraid that the movie was going to
Speaker 1: be bad, because I'm like, I'm going to die before
Speaker 1: they make another one of a movie if it does
Speaker 1: not do well, you know what I mean, Like it'll
Speaker 1: I'll be eighty five, It'll be you know, we'll have
Speaker 1: flying cars and still not have another Wonder Woman. Um,
Speaker 1: so I'm really really happy that it got made. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to take another quick break and then let's
Speaker 1: hop into the movies and the future of Wonder Woman.
Speaker 1: Welcome back, y'all. We I will be under with those
Speaker 1: message is and then we're back to talk some more.
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman sitting across me always, Danny, how you feel?
Speaker 1: You know, this is my queen. I could spend three
Speaker 1: hours talking about her, but we only have an hour ish.
Speaker 1: So this is just the breakdown of our lady trying
Speaker 1: to get through it as fast as we. I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you, so, you know, Wonder taught and Wonder Girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the thing that we should definitely get into.
Speaker 1: So Wonder Woman, as far as I know, is the
Speaker 1: only female hero that is originally just her, not named
Speaker 1: after a dude or anything like that that has sidekicks.
Speaker 1: Or iterations named after her, but she is that she
Speaker 1: is Wonder Girl, right, okay, yes, so let's get okay.
Speaker 1: So this is a very confusing thing. This is another
Speaker 1: thing that happens the other ones. It's like a sidekick,
Speaker 1: but she actually is Wonder Girl. Yeah, there's okay. So
Speaker 1: in the fifties, I believe it was they did a
Speaker 1: lot of like side stories and side adventures of you know,
Speaker 1: Diana as a kid and she was a Wonder Girl,
Speaker 1: and so it's her as varying ages between like eight
Speaker 1: and fourteen doing different stuff. There's also in these stories
Speaker 1: another adventure that's even cuter with her as a kid,
Speaker 1: as a baby, like as a toddler, and she's called
Speaker 1: Wonder Todd. And then sometimes there were adventures that had
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, Wonder Girl and Wonder Todd, which is real confusing.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like super Boy the Adventures of super
Speaker 1: Boy and that the same time period. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like that they just had this thing where they're doing
Speaker 1: multiple versions. So what ended up happening is when they
Speaker 1: did the original Teen Titans comic in the sixties, they
Speaker 1: decided to make Wonder Girl a different person, and so
Speaker 1: that that became Donna Troy and her origin initially was
Speaker 1: that wonder woman saved a baby from a burning building
Speaker 1: and it was a girl, and because her family had
Speaker 1: died in that building, she brought her back to the
Speaker 1: island and they trained her up and she grew up there.
Speaker 1: And so then she started hanging out with everybody else's sidekicks.
Speaker 1: And so it was her, and it was Dick Race
Speaker 1: and Robin it was as Aqua Lad, the original Aqua
Speaker 1: Lad and Speedy doing various adventures. Um. And they added
Speaker 1: team members and it became the Titans Juggernaut that we
Speaker 1: know now. Um. So when Crisis happened, they cleaned a
Speaker 1: lot of that up because that was like back then
Speaker 1: because continuity, who cares. Nobody was thinking about continuity. They
Speaker 1: weren't like the nerds that we are now where we
Speaker 1: like want to put everything in a timeline and do
Speaker 1: all that stuff. They're just like, is this fun okay?
Speaker 1: Because we're gonna do it because they just wanted to
Speaker 1: tell these stories. So Crisis cleaned that up. Um. They
Speaker 1: did subsequently really really jack up Donna Troy's origin, like
Speaker 1: multiple times. Uh, Donna Troy, I do love She's one
Speaker 1: of my favorite characters, so like it pains me a
Speaker 1: little bit, how like how rot like because it then
Speaker 1: it then it became speaking of her actually being Diana.
Speaker 1: So they the last origin they had before they had
Speaker 1: the next reboot was she was actually a mirror selection
Speaker 1: of Diana that one of the sourcesses on the island
Speaker 1: gave gave life to so that Diana can have someone
Speaker 1: to play with because she was the only child on
Speaker 1: the island. And then this uh evil angel uh comes
Speaker 1: and kidnaps her and subjects her to a lot of
Speaker 1: like terrible traumatic lives because she's got beef with the
Speaker 1: Holida and just wants to torture her. And so that
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree with that origin, but that was
Speaker 1: an interesting way of trying to kind of loop back
Speaker 1: in this thing of Diana was a wonder girl and
Speaker 1: also wonder talk and wonder woman all at the same time.
Speaker 1: We should probably tackle her weapons or her tools. So
Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about the Lasso of truth um,
Speaker 1: which it does what it says. It compels people to
Speaker 1: tell you you cannot tell a lie if you are
Speaker 1: under the influence of this thing. It also has varying
Speaker 1: versions of it the ability for her to compel you
Speaker 1: to do things. So um, they used a lot in
Speaker 1: the TV series from the seventies where she would like
Speaker 1: get a henchman and then be like, Okay, I want
Speaker 1: go turn yourself into police, and then they go do it.
Speaker 1: She also had she also had an invisible plane. Her
Speaker 1: Funko pop doll that comes with it is like super dope.
Speaker 1: My favorite's like a clear plane. It is. It's great.
Speaker 1: It's just like the scenes from the TV show. My
Speaker 1: favorite thing is people are like, well, that's silly. You
Speaker 1: can see her through the plane. I'm like, you can
Speaker 1: see her through the plane because otherwise you'd just be
Speaker 1: looking at a static shot of the sky. It's just
Speaker 1: like casually outlines. Yeah, she has her bracelets of submission
Speaker 1: bulletproof bracelets, which we did get to see in live
Speaker 1: action in the movie too. Um. Yeah, they tend to
Speaker 1: have erased the submission bracelets. Um. They talk about them
Speaker 1: in the in the first season of the seventies Wonder Woman,
Speaker 1: but they after well now they're just her iconic bracelets.
Speaker 1: But again going back to this, like S and M
Speaker 1: like bracelets of submission, there was um, well, and also
Speaker 1: there's a thing of if you look at Greek mythology,
Speaker 1: the whole reason why the Amazons are at their island
Speaker 1: is because Zeus, crappy kid Hercules came and stole hippolodas
Speaker 1: girdle and then enslaved and abused all the Amazons, and
Speaker 1: so once they escaped, the reason why they wear the
Speaker 1: bracelet stills to remind them that they escaped. Yeah. Actually
Speaker 1: Marston said that in the nineteen forty two interview. He said,
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman and her sister Amazon's have to wear heavy
Speaker 1: bracelets to remind them of what happens to a girl
Speaker 1: when she lets a man conquer her. Again. So fascinating
Speaker 1: that he was such a feminist in the forties. Soup like, like,
Speaker 1: you think it's so forward thinking, but it's really just
Speaker 1: thinking that's been around here for a long time, that's
Speaker 1: been depressed. It's crazy, I think, Yeah, No, I totally
Speaker 1: understand what we've talked about this before, about people that
Speaker 1: were ahead of their time or having to really go
Speaker 1: against the grain during these times um to kind of
Speaker 1: slide this these messages in there. And I think that
Speaker 1: because of her history and the comics of constantly being
Speaker 1: affected by the greater happenings of society. It's not ironic,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of fitting that she kind of keeps
Speaker 1: getting messed with depending on what's going on in the world. Right, So,
Speaker 1: you know, in the seventies, part of the reason I
Speaker 1: think that she got her powers back is because she
Speaker 1: became like Gloria steinhum like really like championed her as
Speaker 1: not just a hero, but like an ideal of you know,
Speaker 1: ideal of peace, Like you don't have to fight all
Speaker 1: the time, like, you know, a lot of wonder Woman's
Speaker 1: capabilities are defensive largely, even though she could just take
Speaker 1: out a whole bunch of people real fast, but she's
Speaker 1: trying to reform them a lot of times. She wants
Speaker 1: them to be better people. Yeah, she believes in us,
Speaker 1: even when we don't deserve it. And um, it's hard
Speaker 1: for her to understand. I mean, when she's brought into
Speaker 1: our world, it's like it's so difficult for her to
Speaker 1: understand why we do, why we're so terrible, we're so terrible.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would you came from a place called
Speaker 1: Paradise Island. And again I love the shade that it's
Speaker 1: Paradise Island. It's all women. Um, and uh, well another
Speaker 1: person that I we brought up, George Press, would be
Speaker 1: you know, remiss if we didn't bring up Gail Simone,
Speaker 1: who um our Twitter friend gayl someone if you don't
Speaker 1: follow her, she's constantly roasting men that challenged her and
Speaker 1: other comic book people who like own her comics. Like like,
Speaker 1: she like posted a picture. I forgot what she was
Speaker 1: talking about, but someone's like, do you even know this?
Speaker 1: And she was like, she posted a picture and they
Speaker 1: were like so, and she's like, look at the names
Speaker 1: on all the comics. It was. It was just like
Speaker 1: literally a library full of all of the comics that
Speaker 1: she's written, way more than one Er Woman but also
Speaker 1: iconically known for writing one Er Woman. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that he was trying to roaster about Daredevil and she
Speaker 1: took a picture like her book was written for so
Speaker 1: many characters, also created women in Fridges, which we've talked
Speaker 1: about on other episodes on our Bechtel episode, but definitely
Speaker 1: check that out or google it if you don't know.
Speaker 1: And uh, just like completely redefined the Secret Six and
Speaker 1: made them super awesome. And she's just every pretty much
Speaker 1: every book she has a run and she does great
Speaker 1: things on Birds of Prey. Uh. You know, she's partly
Speaker 1: responsible for Oracle being as dope as she was because
Speaker 1: they were just going to leave Barbara in that wheelchair
Speaker 1: and you know whatever. Um, but I digress about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Gail Simone, Uh, her run was really cool because one
Speaker 1: of the things that she was doing because I kind
Speaker 1: of briefly talked before about how a lot of people
Speaker 1: say that one Er Woman didn't have a good um
Speaker 1: rogues gallery, which is not entirely true, but it's hard
Speaker 1: to find great examples of these runs because her runs
Speaker 1: keep getting subverted by all this other weird stuff. So
Speaker 1: Gail did a really great job on kind of showing
Speaker 1: new ways of looking at her rogues gallery and bringing
Speaker 1: in new characters like Devastation. Who is this basically ten
Speaker 1: year old god of destruction, like wonder Woman sitting here
Speaker 1: trying to like basically fighting a tiny murder god. You know,
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of dope, you know, and and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: she did a touch of really cool stuff in the book,
Speaker 1: like definitely pick it up. I mean, I have a
Speaker 1: list of recommendations, um, and that's on that for sure.
Speaker 1: But so let's talk about the movie. If you can't
Speaker 1: remember did you did we see it together? I don't
Speaker 1: think we saw it together because I saw it in
Speaker 1: a plane. Okay, never mind, I don't think the theater. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, I saw it with UM. I got invited
Speaker 1: to this event with Patty Jenkins that was early And
Speaker 1: it was funny because it was funny because Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: sent me all this wonder Woman stuff like posters, like
Speaker 1: gorgeous posters, a bunch of wonder Woman gear um. And
Speaker 1: I think it was just because I tweet about her
Speaker 1: so much. It would I mean people were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it would. It would be weird if they didn't send
Speaker 1: it to you. I think you said that if he
Speaker 1: But then Justice League, I didn't get anything. I didn't
Speaker 1: get invited. I didn't get anything. I got invited to
Speaker 1: like the premier of Wonder Woman and then I was like,
Speaker 1: oh cool, and then like they were like no that,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll be invited to eighty four. But you
Speaker 1: know this is good. We got her. Yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1: You know, we just needed for the wonder Woman stuff. Um.
Speaker 1: If you what do you what was your takeaway from
Speaker 1: seeing her brought to life on in film? Oh? I
Speaker 1: loved it and it was you know, it was so
Speaker 1: obvious what the solution was too. And I've talked about
Speaker 1: this many times. Anytime I talked about like what d
Speaker 1: C needs to do to blah blah blah, it's always this,
Speaker 1: which is simply like getting new voices in there, getting
Speaker 1: new directors in there. And like I think Patty just
Speaker 1: really just brought a whole new like perspective to the series.
Speaker 1: And what she did was she made it a war story.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a story about you know, is she
Speaker 1: going to like be like being a superhero or you know,
Speaker 1: any other like superhero story. It was a story about
Speaker 1: like this person dealing with the war and how that
Speaker 1: how that treats them and then being an outsider. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she was a fish out of water. Um, that was
Speaker 1: very well done. One of the things there were a
Speaker 1: couple of complaints that people had that I want to address. Uh.
Speaker 1: One was this idea that she's not a feminist because
Speaker 1: she fell in love with Steve Trevor, that it's literally
Speaker 1: not what feminism means, And that to me is it's
Speaker 1: it's such a It just shows how outdated and singular
Speaker 1: that those people's view. You know, that she can you
Speaker 1: can be a feminist, you can be a fully fledged
Speaker 1: you know. Another thing was that she wasn't a They
Speaker 1: were like, well, she's clearly not queer. Then I'm like,
Speaker 1: but you know, queer, you can sleep with you. You
Speaker 1: can do both. There's there's a reason it's called by like,
Speaker 1: you can do both. And it just so happened that
Speaker 1: this particular one, you know, and she fell in love
Speaker 1: with Steve Trevor. But I I find it hard pressed
Speaker 1: to believe that someone that looks like that would not
Speaker 1: be exploring on an island where other women are also
Speaker 1: equally as hot. It just like, listen, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just a woman myself. Listen. And also again, like if
Speaker 1: we're talking about like I I very much want to
Speaker 1: loop a lot of what she does into actual Greek mythology,
Speaker 1: because I do think mostly the better or the more
Speaker 1: impactful writers tap into it in the right way. And
Speaker 1: if you think about ancient Greece, they didn't care. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were tapping everything. Are you pretty? I've seen the
Speaker 1: I've seen the porcelain, I've seen the plates in the Girl,
Speaker 1: and then with the very detailed tapestry they are and
Speaker 1: they there, it's it's part of their thing. That's what
Speaker 1: they did. So I just I don't I don't understand
Speaker 1: with the problems and I don't understand. So okay. So
Speaker 1: one of the things that I think they did really
Speaker 1: well in the movie because part of the reason why
Speaker 1: she falls in love with Steve is that he treats
Speaker 1: her like a human person. He treats her like she
Speaker 1: is above him. And that's what I love. I love
Speaker 1: that they picked Chris Pine. He was a perfect person.
Speaker 1: He like, he knows that he's not as strong as
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, he's not as good as Wonder Woman. She's
Speaker 1: the hero in the scenario. And so yeah, and he
Speaker 1: tries to be like, oh, this is what how this
Speaker 1: is done here? And and she just doesn't listen to him,
Speaker 1: and he's kind of frustrated about it. But then he
Speaker 1: kind of only tries because he kind of feels like
Speaker 1: he has to. It feels like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like I have to tell you that this is the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm She's gonna do it anyways, but you know, And
Speaker 1: then and then he stopped doing that half way through
Speaker 1: the movie, if you know, because she doesn't because she's
Speaker 1: not gonna well, she's never met a man before. She
Speaker 1: doesn't know to listen to them. Um, I mean that's
Speaker 1: the truth. And why would she listen to this person
Speaker 1: who's below her. She's a literally literally royalty. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that she grew up in
Speaker 1: a in a in an island where she doesn't she
Speaker 1: wasn't raised the way, she didn't have to live in
Speaker 1: a society like the rest of us. And he could
Speaker 1: be like, well, you're not women are supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: She's like, that's dumb. And then she's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: do you speak like derivations of the way, you know,
Speaker 1: like I can translate that, can't you know? Okay? Cool? Um?
Speaker 1: So I think that's really great. I think that the
Speaker 1: And again going back, like my biggest thing about characters
Speaker 1: is sticking to what their pillars are and this is
Speaker 1: the things that make them who they are. And this
Speaker 1: is these are the things that no matter what kind
Speaker 1: of tony you want to put on it have to
Speaker 1: be there. Like Bruce Wayne and Batman, you know, his
Speaker 1: his his big pillars at his parents got murdered in
Speaker 1: the alley and he wants to fight crime and he
Speaker 1: doesn't kill an argument that we cannot go down now,
Speaker 1: but that that's yes, So that is technically not a pillar,
Speaker 1: but I think it is. But that's a whole other
Speaker 1: thing altogether. But his pillars. Part of the reason why
Speaker 1: you're able to do so much stuff with him is
Speaker 1: because his is the straight most straightforward like he's got.
Speaker 1: He pretends like he's a playboy during the day and
Speaker 1: then he goes and punches people in the face at night.
Speaker 1: That's it, Like, that's the thing. So you can make
Speaker 1: that campy, you can make that really dark, you can
Speaker 1: make him a vampire, or you can do all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff with him, and it's still going to play
Speaker 1: because it's the basics are the same. He's the easiest
Speaker 1: to write out of all of them. Um. So I
Speaker 1: think the thing that part of the reason why the
Speaker 1: One of Them movie worked is they stuck to her pillars,
Speaker 1: and and that is, you know, she wants to help people,
Speaker 1: She wants to save people, she wants people to be
Speaker 1: kind to each other. She but she also if someone
Speaker 1: needs to get punched, she will punch them. And that's
Speaker 1: that's what it is. You know, It's kind of like
Speaker 1: a soldier. Most you know, soldiers aren't out there because
Speaker 1: they want to murder people. They're there trying to keep
Speaker 1: people safe. I do love the fact that her because
Speaker 1: you know she started around the same time as Captain America,
Speaker 1: that they both can't not do the right thing. Yes,
Speaker 1: she just cannot do that. It doesn't comprehend she doesn't
Speaker 1: comprehend it. That's why do you see that trench scene
Speaker 1: where she's like, I don't understand you're not helping these people.
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Well, I'm gonna like what I
Speaker 1: do is not up to you. And like a fun fact,
Speaker 1: Patty Jenkins had to fight to keep the No man
Speaker 1: Land sequence in the movie. They didn't understand it. They
Speaker 1: were like, what is this here? You should take it out?
Speaker 1: Scene made me cry. Yeah, for me, it's the movie.
Speaker 1: To me, the movie ends after they slow dance and
Speaker 1: the thing that's the end of the movie. Like I
Speaker 1: you know, it's an enjoy it's a because the third
Speaker 1: act has flaws. For me, it is a A plus
Speaker 1: experience in a B plus film. But that No Man's
Speaker 1: Land sequence you could put whatever you want. They could
Speaker 1: be sitting there eating ice cream for another half an
Speaker 1: hour and you know what I mean, Like um, and
Speaker 1: so so that's really kind of interesting and to me
Speaker 1: and I have no side her knowledge of this, but
Speaker 1: like as a writer, I feel like the concession got
Speaker 1: made of We're gonna keep your No Man's Land sequence
Speaker 1: in there, but then the end is just going to
Speaker 1: be a straight up, you know, superhero brawl. Even though
Speaker 1: in the comics she doesn't win fighting Aries by straight
Speaker 1: fighting him. She wins with the truth and she wins
Speaker 1: with love most of the time. And that's part of
Speaker 1: the reason why there's a lot and this happens a
Speaker 1: lot in the pres run in various places. Aries, as
Speaker 1: much as he's her enemy, needs her to exist because
Speaker 1: if he wins, then there's no one left. Everybody dies
Speaker 1: and there's no one left to worship them, and so
Speaker 1: they all die. So he needs her to exist. He
Speaker 1: needs her to be out there so that life can continue. Basically, So, um,
Speaker 1: more of that, please? Well. I love that she Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that they kept all of They kept her her. Um,
Speaker 1: they kept her you know, like I said, her femininity
Speaker 1: womanly like she to me, she is the mother of Earth.
Speaker 1: She's like very much makes up for when I think
Speaker 1: of like Batman and even super like when I think
Speaker 1: of batmanbers and they're just like clunking around and like
Speaker 1: punch at each other. And she represents like this you know,
Speaker 1: this queen that's kind of like to me, she reminds
Speaker 1: me of Beyonce raining over every sure, yeah, just the
Speaker 1: sprinkles of dust of beautifulness. And but I don't even
Speaker 1: mean it like like she's un like you know, because
Speaker 1: she does get her hands dirty, definitely. I mean she's
Speaker 1: just so she's brad. And that's why I mean, like
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily mean, oh, she's because she's gorgeous, but
Speaker 1: I mean, like everything that goes into her being who
Speaker 1: she is is beautiful. It's beautiful for you to look
Speaker 1: at your fellow human and be like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna take care of you. Let's be in this together.
Speaker 1: That's gorgeous. Like to be able to be that open
Speaker 1: with people and being able to be like welcoming its
Speaker 1: Like again, like I said at the top of the hour,
Speaker 1: I would be a much different person, you know with
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, because like you know, as a kid,
Speaker 1: I went through some you know, stuff, not like to
Speaker 1: the degree any day else, but like kids were really
Speaker 1: awful to me for no reason. I just was sitting
Speaker 1: there existing and they were like being dicks to me,
Speaker 1: and I didn't understand that at all. And through a
Speaker 1: lot of the superhero stuff I watched, it helped me
Speaker 1: process that empathy that other people are going through stuff
Speaker 1: and that just because they're mean to you doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you did anything wrong. And just like a lot of
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and like a percent, Wonder Woman
Speaker 1: helped me through all that stuff. So um yeah, so
Speaker 1: I take it very personally when stuff happens that is
Speaker 1: gross to me about it. So um yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I talked very passionately about it. But yeah, the one
Speaker 1: of a movie. I'm really looking forward to. Four. We
Speaker 1: somehow have Steve Trevor back. Yeah, there's would you like
Speaker 1: to hear my theories? Um? Sure, I guess we're just
Speaker 1: saying that this is everybody listening. This is a theory. Obviously,
Speaker 1: turned isn't privy to the script, has not seen it.
Speaker 1: It isn't even finished yet. I have no insights. Just
Speaker 1: somebody that knows Wonder Woman that is thinking that this
Speaker 1: might be how he's there. Yeah, so I have too. Well, three,
Speaker 1: there's three things. Two of them are kind of related.
Speaker 1: So number one, remember when he was bathing in that pool,
Speaker 1: that healing pool. Girl, I didn't even remember that. So
Speaker 1: what what was that water? What did it do? What's
Speaker 1: going on with that? He could have survived this whole time.
Speaker 1: You know, he blew up in an airplane. We don't
Speaker 1: know what that water that was like to Smithery. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that would be like in Terminator with like the
Speaker 1: do like all of the little metal pieces coming back together.
Speaker 1: That leads to me my second theory, which is, uh,
Speaker 1: we were told all the gods are gone? Are they?
Speaker 1: Somebody could have plucked him out of that plane right
Speaker 1: before it it's floated, and that he's been off somewhere
Speaker 1: else in another dimension, in stasis something something for a
Speaker 1: very long time. That could be a thing, right because
Speaker 1: he still kind of looks this and it's the eighties,
Speaker 1: so and it seems to me, I haven't read a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff or whatever. The I think the most
Speaker 1: the least likely of the three theories is that he
Speaker 1: is somehow Steve's like Great Ransom or whatever. But I
Speaker 1: think that's not That doesn't make sense to me because
Speaker 1: there's nothing that they set up that just looks exactly
Speaker 1: just look exactly like him, um, which they do in
Speaker 1: movies all the time. So whatever. But like so so
Speaker 1: that third theory is like the least likely one where
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can kind of throw that out there
Speaker 1: and be fine. But it's that blue glowing water, what
Speaker 1: does it do? And um, we already know that Apocalypse
Speaker 1: has beef with the Amazons and the gods of old,
Speaker 1: so it's possible that I wasn't even a Greek god.
Speaker 1: It could be one of the other gods that did it.
Speaker 1: So like that like that could have plucked him out,
Speaker 1: or that they're still hanging around because the dark sides
Speaker 1: still exist, then why doesn't the other ones have to
Speaker 1: be there somewhere? Um, And it could have been interesting
Speaker 1: if that was like a last pull of their power
Speaker 1: at that time, and then it takes sixty a hundred
Speaker 1: years or whatever that for them to like be able
Speaker 1: to pull him back into this dimension because nobody's worshiping
Speaker 1: them except for like Amazons, so they kind of have
Speaker 1: to recharge. Maybe I don't know those We have to
Speaker 1: wrap up on our lady, but we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: all of the animated series she's in. She's in a
Speaker 1: Tonch's literally every like Warner Brothers, DC Girls, Superhero Girls,
Speaker 1: Justice leagued as People's like Superman's and yeah, she's she's
Speaker 1: been animated and she has her own movies. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you were saying, she had her own animated films. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite, like if I'm going to say for
Speaker 1: like my one of my favorite fight scenes and all
Speaker 1: of the nt DC animated movies is from Superman Batman
Speaker 1: Apocalypse and this is Barda and wonder Woman versus the Furies,
Speaker 1: and that's one of my favorite fight sequences and all
Speaker 1: of the things. Also honorable mention her first appearance in
Speaker 1: Batman for Superman with her shield. That was that was
Speaker 1: that was cute. They were like, oh I thought she
Speaker 1: was with you. Yeah, it was adorable. Are parts of
Speaker 1: that movie where all the parts she was in it.
Speaker 1: I also liked the if you really also want to
Speaker 1: see like a nice golden age version of her. Batman
Speaker 1: The Brave in the Bold have a couple of episodes
Speaker 1: in there. Into them in particular are Triumphant of Terror
Speaker 1: and Scorn of the Star STI Fire. So those are
Speaker 1: two episodes and one of them is like her, like
Speaker 1: Batman and Steve Trevor are tied up two missiles and
Speaker 1: the Baroness von Gunther is going to kill them, and
Speaker 1: so she shows up and saves everybody. So that's really cool.
Speaker 1: It's cute. Other quick fire recommendations especially watch the pilot
Speaker 1: of The Wonder Woman TV series because that's very good
Speaker 1: in age, but also I just like that whole series.
Speaker 1: It's like a really great capsule and also very interesting
Speaker 1: thing about seventies censorship and how they deal with violence,
Speaker 1: because that's part of the reason why she wasn't punching
Speaker 1: people more and she kind of judo throw them because
Speaker 1: of the violence thing. But Leondard Carter looks phenomenal and
Speaker 1: her outfits are great, and I love everything about it.
Speaker 1: Where should people start, um, I think beyond you know,
Speaker 1: there's so many omnibuses. Yeah, I would. I would because
Speaker 1: of where we're at modern time. I would start with
Speaker 1: George perez is on the bus because that is like
Speaker 1: the basis of pretty much everything that's happened most everything
Speaker 1: that's happened modern UM. I also, you know Gail Simmons run,
Speaker 1: Greg Ricca's run, Phil Himenez's run. Um. He has an
Speaker 1: omnibus as well that has Gods of Gotham, which is
Speaker 1: an art that he did where it was the Bat
Speaker 1: family and the Wonder Family getting together because some of
Speaker 1: the lesser Greek gods were possessing bat villains, so that
Speaker 1: I thought that was a really fun. And it also
Speaker 1: has the issue where Lewis Lane interviews Wonder Woman and
Speaker 1: spends a day with her, which I think it was
Speaker 1: a really cool moment because I don't think they spend
Speaker 1: a lot of time together, just one on one um.
Speaker 1: And then also I really liked the Legend of Wonder
Speaker 1: Woman right by Renaedo liz Um. That was a really
Speaker 1: great run to me. It's a different take on her
Speaker 1: origin um and it's really beautiful. It's a really like
Speaker 1: very the arts really great on it. And yeah, those
Speaker 1: are those are my quick fire recommendations besides all the
Speaker 1: other I mean, there's so much cool stuff that you
Speaker 1: really can't go wrong, honestly. I mean I haven't really
Speaker 1: read a lot of the fifties and sixties era stuff
Speaker 1: because it's so kind of sexist that it's hard to
Speaker 1: get through for me. But there is fun stuff in there.
Speaker 1: I just kind of have to divorce my feelings from
Speaker 1: it a little bit. I think I've said my favorite
Speaker 1: quote on here from her comics, but it was the
Speaker 1: original Marston run in in the forties, and it's she's
Speaker 1: constantly throughout the entire series, she's constantly saving Steve Trevor's
Speaker 1: but which I love. There's that one iconic one we'll
Speaker 1: have to link it from Perez where she's holding him.
Speaker 1: She's cradling him like and just a goddess like floating,
Speaker 1: which happens a lot in the TV show, and that's
Speaker 1: another reason why I want that show. Um. But my
Speaker 1: favorite quote from her from that forties run is he's
Speaker 1: waking up in bed that she rescued him and he's like,
Speaker 1: wonder woman, my angel, and she says, what's an angel?
Speaker 1: I think I'd rather be a woman. I'm like, that
Speaker 1: is just something that I need to tattoo on my body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good stuff. So Tomart, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming on. Thank you for having me. Um. You will
Speaker 1: be at Comic Con. Will be at Comic Yes, I'm
Speaker 1: on a panel um with a lot of with Danny
Speaker 1: and the you can also talk about this. We'll be
Speaker 1: talking about a lot of current days. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: uh yeah. So that's going to be on Thursday at
Speaker 1: two pm. It's the most Dangerous Women at Comic Con.
Speaker 1: You can find us on the schedule and we'll be
Speaker 1: both be tweeting about it. Um I. Also, I'm starting
Speaker 1: a new podcast is gonna watch after San Diego Comic Con.
Speaker 1: It's called Tales from the Tapes and it's basically about
Speaker 1: all the stuff that you watched obsessively over and over
Speaker 1: again as a kid when the only option was VHS tapes.
Speaker 1: So that's gonna launch after that. You can follow me
Speaker 1: on Twitter at Misfits tomorrow and also Tales from the
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Speaker 1: How do you think? Thank you great? You know, as always,
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Speaker 1: the The discord has become quite a huge community, uh there.
Speaker 1: It started off with a small dream where it was
Speaker 1: really I was like, I'm gonna just add a nerdificent room.
Speaker 1: And now, as as of today as I opened the Discord,
Speaker 1: there's this week's episode to Stay Nerdy where people just
Speaker 1: talking nerdy memes stuff we mentioned where all our footnotes
Speaker 1: are dropped by Flickery thanks for that boiler chat for
Speaker 1: when it's a spoiler stuff. And then even outside of that,
Speaker 1: we have a gaming channel stream highlights, tech talk on
Speaker 1: art gallery, self promo, and a whole bunch of lifestyle
Speaker 1: channels like real Stuff, fitness, music, drip Zone where you
Speaker 1: know you can post your fits or if your geet,
Speaker 1: create your nails. Uh fluf Zone where you post your pets.
Speaker 1: That's fairly new. You know they're posting cats, Danny dropped
Speaker 1: in dropped Molly, Yes, everyone's posting their cats, and I
Speaker 1: broke the chain. She was too beautiful not to. And
Speaker 1: then there's memes in uh NSFW memes, which is exactly
Speaker 1: what it sounds like it gets spicy in there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it for me. I've really plugged everything I am
Speaker 1: at Miss Danny Fernandez. Send me your Wonder Woman stuff.
Speaker 1: She is my favorite character of She's the goat. I
Speaker 1: have a at at New York Comic Con. When I
Speaker 1: was hosting there, they gave me Funco gave me her collectible,
Speaker 1: her NYCC. That's a good pop so it's perfectly place.
Speaker 1: But yeah, send me your Wonder Woman stuff. I love her. Also,
Speaker 1: send me w yeah, of course, yeahs in it. We
Speaker 1: want to see it. We want to see the art,
Speaker 1: all the good arts, all the all the coca arts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: great stuff. And like we always say, stay Narnie's Stay
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