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Speaker 3: Paul dancing on the table was crazy. Yeah, he just

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Speaker 1: His shirt off the nipple clamps. It was great.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And Paul goes back to.

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Speaker 1: The statue, it's like they carry him in like Cleopatrick Leftrilla.

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Speaker 3: No, he's in the BU Baseball Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Right, it was a Sunday night, like the first one

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium, and it's the week after the bye,

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Speaker 1: so we had a chance to watch the NFL without

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Speaker 1: good day to catch up on every excuse me, everything

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Speaker 1: else that's going on with the league, as well as

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Speaker 1: getting of course ready for the Giants. The big topic

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Speaker 1: there is who's going to be the quarterback? And the

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Speaker 1: be ready, and and it's Tuesday, you know.

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Speaker 5: We'll see, Well it's kind it's actually Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, but like the first practice for the upcoming

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Speaker 7: Also, I think, sure it's Tuesday, and you know there's

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Speaker 7: They announced it. It's wide and open, there's no confusion,

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Speaker 7: Like why not just let it be out there? Like

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Speaker 3: The Giants can prepare for? What quarterbacks?

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Speaker 1: But what what if? What if honestly Bill hasn't made

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Speaker 1: I don't either. I don't think he has made a decision.

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Speaker 3: And then that's why a lot of people out there

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Speaker 8: He hasn't spurned us yet, he hasn't gone out there

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Speaker 7: Still, I don't knock that idea of seeing Will Greer

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Speaker 7: Like their third string who you have no intention of

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Speaker 5: But like it it took six turnover the commanders.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I mean, and and like I mean to

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Speaker 1: I think the correlation there between the Patriots and Giants

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Speaker 8: You feel like they just did it too late though?

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Speaker 3: It's tough, tough to manage, tough to figure out anyway.

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Speaker 1: It's it's tomorrow, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Matt,

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Speaker 1: and the booth will be here for two hours talking Patriots.

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Speaker 1: I five pasts five hundred is the ace ticket. Outline

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of quarterback strife going on in

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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's not a lot of great, great play, a

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Speaker 7: Lot of injuries at B and Watson being out for

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Speaker 1: Yeah it stinks. Yeah, you know Watson, well with Burrow,

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Speaker 8: How quick can they tank and get him like another

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Speaker 5: They're just not going to resign to Higgins and then

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Speaker 3: Harrison just like clockwork.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I I do think that some of you know,

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Speaker 5: now is definitely more volatile than it's been in recent years.

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Speaker 4: There's more great plays and then.

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Speaker 5: There's more turnovers, and that's that's a fact. But some

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Speaker 1: Well, on your show, Paul, they had a little discussion

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Speaker 4: young quarterbacks coming into the league playing at a reasonably

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Speaker 4: These guys can't get I think that's number one is

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Speaker 1: It's because of the contrast.

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Speaker 4: So so those guys, those guys come in and they

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Speaker 4: I think CJ. Stroud has been really good, but he's

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Speaker 4: Bryce Young, I don't think Bryce Young is a stiff.

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Speaker 4: I know that's the consensus because I mean, after all,

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Speaker 4: the book on him, right, Ben Vollen, You know, just

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Speaker 4: like I just don't understand why you people wouldn't look

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Speaker 4: at that and say, yeah, you know, Anthony Richardson, Bryce Young, CJ.

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Speaker 4: there's young quarterbacks playing a lot of snaps right away.

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Speaker 4: It's not gonna look as good as Aaron Rodgers, Tom

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Speaker 1: Right, it's just not what there's this rush now to

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Speaker 3: Not gonna happen anymore.

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Speaker 1: Playing well, I'm sorry, but you look at Mahomes and

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Speaker 1: Of the game he made? How many balls? Is Tom

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Speaker 4: Like five year with Justin Herbert, that I could listen

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Speaker 4: I mean, that doesn't know how to win. A lot

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Speaker 7: To see see justin Herbert with the competent coaching stuff.

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Speaker 5: Well, they're coached well on offense, but they like in

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Speaker 4: The Chargers just don't have it.

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Speaker 8: Plus, it still feels like the Chargers DNA of can't

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Speaker 5: Like I'm just curious a couple of weeks here, like

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Speaker 3: Here, No do they have like a I don't know,

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Speaker 4: I just think the Chargers find ways to lose, yeah,

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Speaker 4: And he's also a client. I'm just simply a member.

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Speaker 7: or the other. But I think now a lot of

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Speaker 7: the quarterbacks are trending towards the Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: I think you have at least have the ability to

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Speaker 1: take advantage of when there's open space in front of you,

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Speaker 1: you know, because otherwise you're kind of a sitting duck.

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Speaker 1: In today's NFL, you have you know, Joe Burrows not

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Speaker 1: a running quarterback, but he can run.

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Speaker 7: You know, you have to be at least Daniel Jones

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Speaker 7: can also run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in today's NFL, you need to extend the play.

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Speaker 4: And I think that is low key funny right now.

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Speaker 5: They they the one thing I you know, watching the

449
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Speaker 5: teams around the league over the weekend was just all

450
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Speaker 5: these quarterbacks now can win on extended play second reaction

451
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Speaker 5: type plays where when the original play breaks down, they

452
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Speaker 5: can run around a little bit, and even if it's

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Speaker 5: just a little dump off, you know, over the middle

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Speaker 5: or something like that, they can at least create a

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Speaker 5: little bit. Now, the good ones like you know, Stroud

456
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Speaker 5: made that throat of Tank Dell that's just absurd, but

457
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Speaker 5: like some of them are also just kind of running

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Speaker 5: around and creating a little bit of space and just

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Speaker 5: drop it to the running back in the flat or

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Speaker 5: something like that. And if you can't do that, if

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Speaker 5: you can't add that, then then you're kind of screwed.

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Speaker 5: Like you there's not enough good plays to go around

463
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Speaker 5: if you can't do that.

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Speaker 4: I want to push back a little bit on the

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Speaker 4: Zach Wilson not being quote unquote nurtured because I think

466
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Speaker 4: he didn't like Lafleur as an offensive quarter. They went

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Speaker 4: out and got him more of a veteran offensive coordinator

468
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Speaker 4: and hack it and that hasn't worked. They drafted a

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Speaker 4: litany of skilled position guys, Garrett Wilson, Elijah Moore, Breese

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Speaker 4: Hall offensive lineman early in the draft, and like Elijah

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Speaker 4: vera Tucker first rounder, at some point it's got to

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Speaker 4: be on him. Yeah, No, that might be a bad one.

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Speaker 5: But I just think that in general, if you look

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Speaker 5: at the guys that are succeeding in the league versus

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Speaker 5: the young guys that are succeeding versus the ones that aren't,

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Speaker 5: most of the ones that are succeeding are in these

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Speaker 5: like stable environments with the same offensive coaches every year,

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Speaker 5: and their teams are offense first and forward thinking with

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Speaker 5: personnel and adding personnel.

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Speaker 4: That's the key to me is like when we were talking, Mike,

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Speaker 4: when you brought up the whole AFC East and like

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Speaker 4: the divisions and you have someone I do think that

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Speaker 4: that Buffalo put pressure on the rest of the division

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Speaker 4: to keep up. They told you Buffalo is the king

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Speaker 4: of the division because they score a thirty plus most weeks.

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Speaker 4: And Miami went out and they got an offensive guy

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Speaker 4: that said I can win with this guy, but we

488
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Speaker 4: just need to get some speed around him. And it works. Now,

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Speaker 4: sometimes there's a lot of these teams in Fred will

490
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Speaker 4: give you the laundry list of the AFC East teams

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Speaker 4: that tried to do this to keep up with Brady

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Speaker 4: and just failed. Yep, you know, they couldn't put the

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Speaker 4: pieces around a quarterback or a coach, and it was

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Speaker 4: just every year we were doing these previews for the Bills,

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Speaker 4: the Jets, and the Dolphins, and it was a different coach,

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Speaker 4: a different quarterback. I think Rich Simini had a thing

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Speaker 4: on Twitter yesterday that this is like his thirty something

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Speaker 4: starting quarterback that he's covered, you know, in his time

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Speaker 4: covering the Jets, like I've covered like three. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's it's unbelievable, you know, some of the differences that

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Speaker 4: you can see. But I do think Miami felt pressure

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Speaker 4: to keep up with Buffalo, and now it's a two

503
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Speaker 4: horse race in that division. The Jets and the Patriots

504
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Speaker 4: have to figure out where do I find the offense

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Speaker 4: to keep up with these two teams, because that's what

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Speaker 4: it's going to take. I think Evan's right, you need

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Speaker 4: to find that offensive mind to sort of keep up.

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Speaker 4: That's how I feel about it too. I'm with Evan.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And then the next place my head's going to though,

511
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Speaker 8: is you know Evan saying we have to nurture the quarterback. Well,

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Speaker 8: if you draft you know, Drake may or Caleb Williams,

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Speaker 8: how do.

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Speaker 3: You nurture them? Like, how do you nurture them? With

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Speaker 3: this team right now?

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Speaker 4: I mean, tell them it's gonna be Okay, all.

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Speaker 8: Right, well, but it's just you only have but you

518
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Speaker 8: know what I mean, Like, yeah, it's hard to put

519
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Speaker 8: it all into place.

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Speaker 5: It's easy to say, I just I think, you know,

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Speaker 5: Zach Wilson is probably a bad example because he just

522
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Speaker 5: stunk to begin with and just was never good. But

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Speaker 5: Mac at least had some promise in his rookie season,

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Speaker 5: and I think what you see is what you learn

525
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Speaker 5: from it is that it's almost, you know, like a kid,

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Speaker 5: like the nurture is just as important as the DNA, right,

527
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Speaker 5: like of what you put around him and who's coaching him,

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Speaker 5: and having stable coaching year in and year out. So

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Speaker 5: to answer your question, I would say that you have

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Speaker 5: to have one voice speaking to Caleb Williams for the

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Speaker 5: rest of his career if you can, like that's ideal,

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Speaker 5: and you have to continue to add offensive talent around

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Speaker 5: him just because you draft Caleb Williams. You can't just say, well,

534
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Speaker 5: he's gonna make you know, DeVante Parker and Kendrick Bourne

535
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Speaker 5: and Pop Douglas and this offense a viable offense just

536
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Speaker 5: because he's that good.

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Speaker 4: It's not that simple anymore.

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Speaker 5: The guys that are succeeding are the guys that have

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Speaker 5: you know, arsenals around them that are even Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if I was the head coach or jam

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Speaker 1: if I got Caleb Williams or may or whoever. First

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Speaker 1: thing I've said, Okay, we've got to how's our line,

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Speaker 1: Like is the line good enough? You know? I want

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Speaker 1: to make sure that he's going to be protected. No, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that we have to like spend a

546
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Speaker 1: lot of assets on drafting high draft picks, but is

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Speaker 1: our line stable? And if it's not, I want but

548
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Speaker 1: he's not going to be good right.

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Speaker 4: Off, Like that's what I want to I don't want

550
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Speaker 4: to get him killed or anything. I mean, there's a

551
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Speaker 4: difference between being like the Jets.

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Speaker 1: He's like, he's not going to be right out of

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Speaker 1: the gate, you know, so he's not going to elevate

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Speaker 1: his line year one. So I just want to make

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Speaker 1: sure the line is good enough so that he doesn't

556
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Speaker 1: get his head bashed in in year one.

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Speaker 8: But and that's along the lines that I'm going is

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Speaker 8: that is there ever a situation where you're gonna say,

559
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Speaker 8: and Evin knows where I'm going with this, Like we

560
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Speaker 8: can't nurture him right now we don't have the pieces

561
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Speaker 8: along the offensive line, we don't have the weapons.

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Speaker 1: But I think you can do that. Again, I don't

563
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Speaker 1: think you need first or second round draft picks to

564
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Speaker 1: make sure you have a good line. Second thing, who's

565
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Speaker 1: my offensive line coach? Is he any good?

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Speaker 10: You know?

567
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Speaker 1: Is can he take fourth round, fifth round picks and

568
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Speaker 1: turn them into NFL players? Because that is what you

569
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Speaker 1: need to do in the NFL. You can't spend all

570
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Speaker 1: your assets on high draft picks on the offensive line

571
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Speaker 1: because if you do that, you're gonna sacrifice all the

572
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Speaker 1: other positions that need help too. Who's my coach? Can

573
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Speaker 1: he mold these guys into good NFL players? I didn't

574
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Speaker 1: say great, I just said good.

575
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Speaker 5: It's gone both ways because the Niners and the Eagles

576
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Speaker 5: are built from the trenches. Like those two teams built

577
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Speaker 5: the offensive line first and then drop the skill positions

578
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Speaker 5: players in there afterwards. Like the Eagles line is the

579
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Speaker 5: same line that they won the Super Bowl with in

580
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Speaker 5: twenty seventeen. Is Jason Kelcey.

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Speaker 4: It's like.

582
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Speaker 5: Like that offensive line has been the same group. You know,

583
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Speaker 5: Dallas say, that's pretty much the same group that it's

584
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Speaker 5: been thout Dak's entire career. So there are teams now

585
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Speaker 5: that are doing it both ways. I think to deduce

586
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Speaker 5: his point, you know, if you draft Caleb Williams in

587
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Speaker 5: the first round with the first overall pick or whatever,

588
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Speaker 5: then in veteran free agency, whether it's t Higgins or

589
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Speaker 5: it's trading for Brandon Aiyuk or it's whoever, like that

590
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Speaker 5: has to be your big move in the off season

591
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Speaker 5: is you know, he's going to have somebody now to

592
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Speaker 5: throw to, and you have to fill in the rest,

593
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Speaker 5: like you were saying Fred with you know, got your

594
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Speaker 5: second in rounds two through seven is going to have

595
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Speaker 5: to be the line and everything else. But I think

596
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Speaker 5: that that's the way that you have to start. If

597
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Speaker 5: you're the Patriots, you have to get the quarterback, and

598
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Speaker 5: you have to get the quarterback a true number one receiver,

599
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Speaker 5: not any of the stuff that they've been rolling out lately.

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Speaker 3: But that you would go receiver.

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Speaker 8: Sorry in free agency then, I mean, because you've got

602
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Speaker 8: to free and see in February like that's you know

603
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Speaker 8: you I mean, at that point, are you committed to

604
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Speaker 8: we're going to take a quarterback at the top, like

605
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Speaker 8: you know, or do you overextend yourself.

606
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Speaker 3: With a tackle and say we're not going to draft

607
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Speaker 3: the tackle.

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Speaker 7: I'm a little bit scared with them drafting a wide

609
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 7: receiver like in the first round, to say, if they

610
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Speaker 7: don't get the quarterback and they're trying to go for

611
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Speaker 7: the wide receiver, that scares me because they can't develop

612
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 7: that either.

613
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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know who else it's Marvin Harris. Yeah, it

614
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: probably probably scares Robert Kraft, and he might. You know,

615
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: there was a I don't know if you want to

616
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Speaker 1: call it a slip up yesterday by Bill O'Brien kind

617
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Speaker 1: of intimating that, you know, about the quarterback decision, you know,

618
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Speaker 1: we'll talk, and he mentioned Robert Craft's name. Now, I

619
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Speaker 1: think he might have been just talking in general, you know,

620
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Speaker 1: decisions that are made. I don't know if he meant

621
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Speaker 1: Robert Craft specific to who will be the quarterback this Sunday,

622
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Speaker 1: but it was interesting and I got to imagine that

623
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Speaker 1: with everything that's going on, you know, Robert might be

624
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Speaker 1: a little bit more involved right now than he has been,

625
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Speaker 1: you know, only because he's probably the one thinking. I'm

626
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Speaker 1: the one thinking about beyond this season. I can't rely

627
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Speaker 1: on my coaches to do that. Because whether or not

628
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Speaker 1: he's going to keep Bill. Nobody knows the answer to that,

629
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Speaker 1: including the assistant coaches. So what are they doing. Are

630
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Speaker 1: they having their little phone calls to to survive and

631
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Speaker 1: setting up, you know, their careers for next year. Like

632
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of uncertainty down there. And you know,

633
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: I talked to some people who been around the league

634
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: for a while and he admitted that's what happens when

635
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,239
Speaker 1: you have this type of uncertainty. Assistants start setting up,

636
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, stuff for a off season because they don't

637
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: know if they're going to have a job, and they

638
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: have families, they they you know, it's hard.

639
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, I don't know. It's interesting.

640
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's Mike looked like he was just, yeah,

641
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Speaker 4: I got family.

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Speaker 3: It's the content team on the.

643
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Speaker 4: Should content team blow it up?

644
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Blow it up?

645
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 5: That's how it works in college.

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Speaker 7: That's how it works in college. If you work for

647
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 7: football and your football coach getspired the content team, graphic designer,

648
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 7: everybody's out.

649
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Speaker 1: We were laughing because, uh, it's gonna not really funny.

650
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Speaker 1: But you know, one of the teams that I forget

651
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: who ment I think it was Gary Meyer mentioned the

652
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Speaker 1: Chargers for you know, it's a landing spot for Bill Belichick,

653
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Speaker 1: and the Chargers are known for like a happy, go

654
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Speaker 1: lucky content team, Like they're the ones doing all this

655
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Speaker 1: cutting edge they need fun of other teams, like they

656
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: would be.

657
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 7: They would all quit, Like they thrive off of like

658
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 7: personality content and like their stuff is elite. Oh yeah,

659
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 7: they would call quit.

660
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: There's like, imagine if like we could make fun of

661
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: other teams.

662
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: Oh my good, the snark that we have in this

663
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: why are you looking at me? You're the one that

664
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: openly despises how.

665
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: I would I would be. I would be there for that,

666
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: the young people, I would be there for that.

667
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 7: For that. Here have you seen all the content with

668
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 7: the Raiders since?

669
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh, it's like the shackles have been taken off.

670
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 7: There was one quote that said, ding dong, the witch

671
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 7: is dead. There there's been a lot of very interesting

672
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 7: things coming from that account.

673
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like like no one's like it's it's substitute

674
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: teacher time.

675
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: And in the right and eight records, we're going to

676
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 4: finish the season.

677
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 5: They like, but they like the vibe in the building,

678
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 5: the vibe, which.

679
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 4: There's something to be said for that. And I could

680
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 4: I understand.

681
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: It's also known as there's just nobody in charge, so

682
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 5: it's just.

683
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: A bicep cramp. I'm scratching my neck and my.

684
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: I have a question for you guys, and.

685
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: Specifically anybody, no question.

686
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: I got a question for you.

687
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 4: Well, Deuce is probably ain't for you because I know

688
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: you don't really pay attention. But has the performance not

689
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: necessarily their individual performances, but the performance of US and

690
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 4: North Carolina with with Williams and may discouraged you at

691
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 4: all about either one of those guys.

692
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: No, not the team but the player and Williams.

693
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 7: But anyway, I would say Williams off the field scares me.

694
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 7: His dad and his emotions afterwards his.

695
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: Dad kind of frightens me. I don't care about the

696
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 4: emotion who ever is making.

697
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 7: I don't know if it's him not wanting to speak

698
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 7: or his coach not making him, like allowing him to

699
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 7: speak after the game. But that's like not helping him

700
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 7: from when he gets there.

701
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Every week. It's something, it's something every week.

702
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's also dropping dimes, so yeah, I like that,

703
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: like the the father and you brought this up a

704
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 4: few weeks ago about the LeVar ball thing. Yeah, I

705
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 4: think that's that's valid, and that's kind of hard to

706
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: have and bring in. I don't care about the other

707
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: stuff as much as everybody else does. It's not ideal.

708
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: I understand why people are talking about it, but if

709
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 4: the guy could play, I wouldn't worry about him crying

710
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 4: to his mother.

711
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 5: I try to separate, you know, Like in terms of

712
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 5: your question, I don't think it actually all like I

713
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 5: think a lot of people look at the draft and

714
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 5: look at results, and it were not when you're looking

715
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: at the draft, the results are not really all that important.

716
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 4: It's more about the traits, right.

717
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 5: So, like agreed, I think in an offense at UNC

718
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 5: that that that's not very good, Like there's not a

719
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: lot of talent.

720
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: The argument would be like, just how good is this

721
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: guy if he's the savior if he can't do better

722
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 4: than five hundred in college? You know, And I know

723
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 4: it's way different sports and there's way more impact that

724
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: one standout can have in basketball, But this was the

725
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 4: argument against Mark hell Foltz what whatever six years ago,

726
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 4: seven years ago, when he was you know, everybody's number

727
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: one overall pick and Washington had like a nine to

728
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: nineteen record, and everybody's like, how good can he really be?

729
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 11: Now?

730
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: In basketball, that was a red flag because one guy

731
00:32:55,800 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 4: can't impact wins and laws so much carried so UNC.

732
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: Was ranked twentieth when they played Clemson, and on the

733
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 5: broadcast they said that the UNC coaching staff had some

734
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: trick plays up their sleeve because they knew that Clemson's

735
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: roster was significantly better than theirs, and they knew that

736
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 5: they were the worst team even though they were ranked

737
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 5: better than clems.

738
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 4: Prison should be better year than Clemson. I've seen them

739
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 4: a few times. They're not bad. Their record is yeah,

740
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: so I don't know if it's bad coaching or what,

741
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 4: but they should be better than they have.

742
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

743
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: I think with Drake May, he's the most well rounded prospect.

744
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 5: Like when you just think about NFL first round quarterback prospects,

745
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 5: they tall, big arm win at all three levels, has

746
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 5: some mobility, has some moxie, Like that's that's Drake May.

747
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 5: Like Drake May has all those traits. But I don't

748
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 5: know if he has one trait that is the standout

749
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 5: trait of the class, Like this is he is the

750
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 5: best at this in the entire class. Caleb Williams is

751
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 5: the best improviser in the class, and it's not close,

752
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 5: like he's the best second reaction. Patrick Mahomes run around,

753
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 5: make something happen in the class. Michael Pennix has the

754
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 5: best deep ball in the class. I don't know what

755
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 5: Drake May's like elite elite trade is, but all of

756
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 5: his trades are really solid.

757
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: I would believe it or not. I would feel better

758
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: if the Patriots had Caleb Williams come into the building

759
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: as a quarterback, if Gerard Mayo was the head coach

760
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: rather than a first time I know Gerard is a

761
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: first time head coach, but outsider coming in who's never

762
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: been a head coach before, because he's gonna have to

763
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: deal with this guy who you know, he's got some

764
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, I'm the guy, and you know, at least

765
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: Gerrod has that institutional knowledge here in comfort where he

766
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: might be able to, you know, deal with that. But

767
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: I worry about that because when I see Caleb Williams

768
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: even walking around, it's either chin up or chinned down.

769
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: He's never just neutral. It's either I'm the man or

770
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: my life's about to end. Like there's never anything in

771
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: the middle.

772
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 4: Into your rival thirty points. I never see him, like, yeah,

773
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 4: I think with him.

774
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 5: So there are a lot of the hot names in

775
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 5: head coaching hires right now, you know, Ben Johnson, Bobby Slowick.

776
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 5: A lot of those guys are running Shanahan adjacent type

777
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 5: offenses where the quarterback needs to be like Brock Purty,

778
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 5: he just needs to press the right buttons on the

779
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 5: on the on the joystick, right like. You don't want

780
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 5: the quarterback playing a whole lot out of side the

781
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 5: framework of the offense and those offenses.

782
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: That's not Caleb Williams.

783
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 5: So if you're gonna draft guy like Caleb Williams, then

784
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 5: you're better off going with somebody from like the the

785
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 5: Red Tree, you know, and Eric b Enemy or someone

786
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 5: along those lines that understands how to kind of foster

787
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 5: his playmaking ability, because if you're just asking him to

788
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 5: just run the offense, you know, and just be like

789
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 5: this rock party type quarterback, you're taking away a super power.

790
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: Sure you want it, you want to play to the

791
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 1: players of skills, absolutely, you know, But like I said,

792
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: like I'm less worried about that. Then what happens when

793
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: things don't go right, you know, or receivers drop balls

794
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: or whatever.

795
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 4: That's like How do you have to figure that out with?

796
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: Do I have a structure that can handle like this

797
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: big time first round high draft pick who's already come

798
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: in with millions in the bank and he's the s

799
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: How do I.

800
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 12: Deal with that?

801
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that's that's where all the scouting in

802
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 4: the draft prep is important. You have to find out

803
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: what's inside a guy. Yeah, and that's impossible for us

804
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: not being involved in that.

805
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: But he's good enough flaws you can take him anyway,

806
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: because yeah, I.

807
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 4: Just would caution into labeling something a strength or a

808
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 4: flaw based on what you see on TV.

809
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: Fair enough, you know what I mean? Fair Enough?

810
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 4: Now, if if my scouts you know, went out and

811
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: they talked to Caleb Williams and they're like, you know,

812
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 4: this guy's he's he's pretty solid, he's grounded, he's he's

813
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: got the temperament to be able to deal with the

814
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 4: sling scenarows. Going to Boston in that market will not

815
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: be an issue for that. I'd be fine with it now,

816
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 4: same thing if they said the other thing, if they

817
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 4: went the other way, like the you know, Boston will

818
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: eat this guy alive, you know, as soon as he

819
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 4: has two you know, two bad games in a row.

820
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 4: He won't he won't be able to hit market. Yeah,

821
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 4: I think it can be when.

822
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 5: I mean, when they've dragged Mac Jones through that.

823
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: So I'll say no because I I think it's only

824
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 4: recently starting to go that way. There's still a lot

825
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: of people out there. You got to get them Alan,

826
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 4: you gotta get them receivers.

827
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 10: You got it.

828
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, I think in our line of work, I

829
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 7: think it's a lot of people here are like fans. First,

830
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 7: I think that.

831
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: Can I interrupt you for one second? I read a

832
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 4: tweet today that said if Mac when Mac Jones through

833
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: the pass of Devonte Parker kind of similar to the

834
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: one that Mahomes through the Valdas scantling last night. Okay,

835
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 4: everybody beat up on Mac for it. Can you name

836
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 4: me one person in this town? No, No, I'm asking

837
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: right now. I'm asking a question because I thought it was.

838
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 4: I said in the postgame show it was the single

839
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: best throw I ever saw Mac Jones make, the one

840
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 4: that Parker dropped against the Raiders. Well, I do you

841
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: know one guy who blamed Mac Jones for overthrowing Parker

842
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 4: on that play? Because I did not hear not even

843
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 4: this is one that I'm going to go literal. Not

844
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 4: a single person did I hear say that that was

845
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: a bad threat.

846
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I saw the same tweet, but it was in defensive Tua,

847
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: like everybody's up in arms because you know they drop

848
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: balls on her, But no TA does it in it's silence.

849
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: You know, he throws a perfect This guy was trying

850
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 4: to say that the throw to DeVante Parker and the

851
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: throat to Jalen Rager, I think in the Washington game

852
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 4: were deemed by the Patriots media as bad throws, and

853
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 4: I would strongly argue against that, saying I did not

854
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 4: hear a single person put those throws on. Mac Jones.

855
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 1: No I didn't, So there is still.

856
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: An element of it might be a small straw man

857
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: to you a point, Fred. Maybe it was just just

858
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: happened to be a tweet that I saw today. But

859
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but that's that's ridiculous, And no one argued

860
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 4: Mac Jones. I don't know what side of the street

861
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: against I don't know what side of the.

862
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 8: Street this is, but I feel like those throws to

863
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 8: Parker and Riger were like really hard, like to expect

864
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 8: the guy to catch it anyway.

865
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: Like it's just in traffic.

866
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 8: It's I mean, the one of the valves scandling last

867
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 8: night was just a straight up like he's in the

868
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 8: clear here it is.

869
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: Boom, you know, just got to get caught a hundred

870
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 4: one hundred like.

871
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 8: But I just, I mean, I don't even know what

872
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 8: I'm trying to argue right here. I'm not even like

873
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 8: I just that my eye like it was there, but

874
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 8: there's just guys all over him. It's a guy on

875
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 8: his arm, you know, like it's I don't know, just

876
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 8: to me.

877
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 5: That that that was going to be a fifty to

878
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: fifty catch artist fifty team. That's like a seventy five

879
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 5: twenty I was a ninety nine to one ball. But

880
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 5: I don't know very many receivers that don't make that

881
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 5: catch that Parker did. Yeah, I really don't.

882
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 4: And that's what the.

883
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 5: Value scandaling catch too, is that was probably easier, That

884
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 5: was probably not even necessarily easier, just that you have

885
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 5: to make that.

886
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: You have to make that receiver, you have to. Yeah,

887
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 4: And the part about what stuck stuck out to me

888
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 4: was I watching I didn't watch the entirety of the

889
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: usc UCLA in the Clemson North Carolina. But I watched

890
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 4: chunks and I saw both guys throw just like sort

891
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 4: of eye popping touchdowns that you look and you say,

892
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: what amazing ability, right and what gets there? And then

893
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: I look at the end of the day and I

894
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: look at it in a hurry. But I look at

895
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: the point totals. Like Caleb Williams, I don't really care

896
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: about the wins and losses when they're losing.

897
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 5: Fifty two forty two, like against Washington.

898
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 4: You know, he's in a shootout with a team that's

899
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 4: obviously better than his and he's going, you know, punch

900
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: for punch. He played out of his mind against UCLA.

901
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 4: That didn't happen. Yeah, Like he ended up with whatever

902
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: thirteen points. The one touchdown was this like mind boggling

903
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 4: through And I'm wondering, did I am I putting too

904
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 4: much on this because did you see the both of

905
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: them kind of off their back foot? Yeah, Williams one

906
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 4: was ridiculous.

907
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 5: Climb the pocket and through like sixty five yards in

908
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 5: the air. I think that that's that's what when we

909
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 5: really start to break these guys down. Now, I mentioned

910
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 5: like the coaching thing because I think without knowing who's

911
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 5: going to be coaching them. It's hard to say which

912
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 5: one I would rather because the system and the fish, but.

913
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: You're still very high on both guys. If you have

914
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 4: one too, you're taking one of those team. Absolutely no

915
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 4: run the card up. I've had like several of my

916
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 4: my Moron friends have been like you still lean.

917
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: On that, Like yeah, yeah, what are they saying? What

918
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: do they want? They want somebody else? Or they just

919
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 3: don't think they're that guy.

920
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 7: Don't want to embarrass everyone is like knocking on these

921
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 7: guys just because they're not like Trevor Lawrence who never

922
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 7: lost a game in college.

923
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 5: Well, I actually think Caleb Williams is as talented as

924
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: Trevor Lawrence was that Clemson. He's just not on a

925
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 5: team like Clemson. Oh Like, if you know, I just

926
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. You have to one of those two guys

927
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 5: is going to be the more consistent guy on film,

928
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 5: Like who's who's the one that's making the more consistent decisions,

929
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 5: Who's the one who's throwing from more consistent footwork.

930
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 4: And all those types of things.

931
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 5: And that's the guy that I think I'll probably end

932
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 5: up favoring because they both can make to Paul's point.

933
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 5: They can they can pull put up highlights like that.

934
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 5: That's that's not the problem.

935
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: What's the deadline? The Patriots have asked for your decision.

936
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: I will make a decision, Uh, three days before the

937
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 5: draft apri It's gonna take you really, what do you Bill? Ye,

938
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 5: I'm gonna held it close to the vest I mean,

939
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 5: you don't want other teams to know.

940
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 7: I feel like Evan has recency bias too, So it's gonna.

941
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: I do.

942
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 11: But in this.

943
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 5: Situation, like it really like the circumstances are really gonna matter.

944
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 5: Like if you're if you're putting the quarterback in the

945
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 5: Patriots offense, like Bill O'Brien's the offensive coordinator still, and

946
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 5: you're asking the quarterback to play within this offense, then

947
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 5: I don't want Caleb Williams because he's You're you're taking

948
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: away a superpower. But if you're gonna hire somebody that's

949
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 5: gonna allow him to go and and be Caleb Williams,

950
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 5: Like I think to Paul's like, you have to live

951
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 5: with the fact that he's gonna be up and down

952
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 5: a little bit, especially early, like because he's gonna make

953
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 5: these ridiculous plays, you know, c J. Stroud through three

954
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 5: picks in that game on Sunday for the text.

955
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: And I say, so what, they've got a quarterback, right, Yeah.

956
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 4: So you're gonna have to live with some of that

957
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 4: with a guy like Caleb Williams. Yeah, all right, eight

958
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 4: five to five Pats, my buddy who I've been trashing,

959
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: says we'll see how he responds now to adversity c J. Stroud,

960
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 4: I mean, they won the game.

961
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: It's just like it's like you.

962
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: Watch all these games when you're home on to buy

963
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 4: and you actually get to see it all, and you're like,

964
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: did he watch the same way slate of games that

965
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 4: everybody else did?

966
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: Eight five five pats five hundred is the ACE ticket houtline,

967
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: web radio at patries dot com is the email address.

968
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: Let's go to the phones, Mike's and Puerto Rico. What's up, Mike, Hey, guys,

969
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: how you doing good?

970
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 13: I wanted to can you hear it?

971
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: Yes?

972
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 7: Yeah?

973
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 13: First of all, I wanted to thank h the opportunity

974
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 13: to thank you guys for everything that you've done this year,

975
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 13: which has been particularly hard. So one of the few

976
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 13: reasons that you know, I still remain a past fan

977
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,959
Speaker 13: is mostly because of you guys, thank you the addition.

978
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: Of Robert Kraft at.

979
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 13: Well well, speaking of that, I did want to bring

980
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 13: something up and see what your guys' thoughts on it is,

981
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 13: and more specifically how strongly you feel about this. And

982
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 13: I think it was Brady's dad at one point that

983
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 13: had mentioned that the tenure was not going to end

984
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 13: well or something like that, right, yep, okay, So I'm

985
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 13: I'm thinking back on it, and at the end of

986
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 13: the day, the book the box stops at the owner, correct, yep, yes, okay.

987
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 13: So taking that into consideration, the fact that we have

988
00:44:54,640 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 13: arguably lost or ended badly with a the best quarterback

989
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 13: of all time when he left to go to Tampa,

990
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 13: the arguably the best tight end of all time in

991
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 13: Gronk when he left needed to be traded. Now it

992
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 13: seems like it's Stephanie. Oh, and I'll also throw in

993
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 13: there Adam Vinitieri, who was at that time, I guess

994
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 13: assume one of the best kickers of all time as well.

995
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 5: I'm okay, yeah, I mean, you know, but all three

996
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 5: of those decisions have a common denominator, money, and that's what.

997
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 13: I'll And so this is where I was going to

998
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 13: go next, Evan, and I'd love to hear your thoughts

999
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 13: on it. Well, now we're arguably about to lose or

1000
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 13: and badly with the greatest, arguably the greatest coach of

1001
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 13: all time. So some of the maybe the first three

1002
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 13: could have been tied into Belichick. But then are you

1003
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 13: tye in Belichick to it himself or is the common

1004
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 13: denominator in all this this mister Craft, who I appreciate

1005
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 13: again for everything that he's done. But at the end

1006
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 13: of the day, is how much of this is on him?

1007
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's a fair question. It's a fair question.

1008
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: You're talking about money. We've talked about it before. No

1009
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: one really knows like how that's treated here, Like does

1010
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: Bill have a budget that he can go over and

1011
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: now we're talking you know, cash over cap. You know,

1012
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: how much cash spending is made available to him. Robert

1013
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: Kraft has come out and said publicly he's never had

1014
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, there's never been an issue with you know,

1015
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: him not being able to get the players he wants.

1016
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but it's a fair thing to ask,

1017
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: like how much of it is just you know, purely money,

1018
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, I.

1019
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: Mean, usually in my experience, a lot of it is money.

1020
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 5: That's usually the I would like give the real cash thing.

1021
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 5: This is not just makes like toning the company line,

1022
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 5: but like if there was a direct correlation between cash

1023
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 5: spending and wins, then I would give it more credence.

1024
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 5: But the Cleveland Browns are winning now, but they have

1025
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 5: been in the last couple of years near the top

1026
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 5: of the league in cash spending and they haven't won

1027
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 5: a thing. So I just if there was like a

1028
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 5: more direct tie to if you spend a lot Like baseball,

1029
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 5: I feel like baseball is one of those sports that

1030
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 5: if you spend a lot of money, your team is

1031
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 5: going to be good in it until the very end

1032
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 5: of the season.

1033
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if football is like that. There's certainly

1034
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 4: no guarantees, no guarantee, But isn't Philly high in that

1035
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 4: list every year? They're like top ten and they've been

1036
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 4: pretty good for a while. Yeah, Cleveland is at the

1037
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: top of the list because of Watson, Right, But I.

1038
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 5: Guess my point is is just like at the end

1039
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 5: of the day of mister Kraft isn't the one He's

1040
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 5: not he didn't draft cold Strange in the first round, Nope, Right,

1041
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 5: And he if he's not the one that's going out

1042
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 5: and picking the groceries, so to speak. I have a

1043
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 5: tough time saying that it's his fault that it came apart, right,

1044
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 5: you know, right, he's not the one making the.

1045
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 8: Person, especially if they were good players getting away that.

1046
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 8: You're just like, we could afford that. Why is this

1047
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 8: guy going? We just don't want to pay them.

1048
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 1: And I'm still this still has to do with money.

1049
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: But I'm sure the Crafts are saying we're paying Bill

1050
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: Belichick the highest coach in sports, not just the NFL

1051
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: from what I hear in sports. Figure it out, it's

1052
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: gotta be worth something. Yeah, I agree with that, you know.

1053
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 4: And I don't think that the Craft family is involved

1054
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: in these football decisions directly, like like this to the

1055
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 4: point where they're deciding who stays who goes. And yeah,

1056
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 4: when you sign a guy to a major contract, yes,

1057
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 4: the ownership needs to sign off on that. But in

1058
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 4: terms of like, I don't think otherwise it's it's got

1059
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 4: anything to do with it.

1060
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: In terms of like how Gronk left, how Brady left,

1061
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: It's amazing that those things didn't happen more often over

1062
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 1: the twenty years because Yeah, when things go bad, people

1063
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, jump ship. But when things go good like

1064
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: they had here, there's also that feeling of entitlement and

1065
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: everybody's like, Okay, where's mine? You know, And that happens too,

1066
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: and it's it's just as hard to keep it together

1067
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: when you have that type of success as it is

1068
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: when you have failure. It really is. And it's a

1069
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: credit to both Bill Belichick and the crafts well.

1070
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 5: I think maybe the from a cash standpoint, Bill Bell

1071
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 5: whoever was, whether it was both of them are Bill

1072
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 5: or whoever. Convincing everybody that taking less money was gonna

1073
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 5: help the team win more games was like the biggest

1074
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 5: thing that they ever pulled over anybody. Like convincing Brady

1075
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 5: that he should be taking like fifteen million dollars less

1076
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 5: a year because it's for the better of the team

1077
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,479
Speaker 5: and he's helping the team out and all these types

1078
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 5: of things.

1079
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 4: I mean, like I could tell you a brit Brady

1080
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 4: set the ceiling, you had to have the guy that

1081
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 4: was on board with that Brady set the ceiling. So

1082
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 4: how can I go in Jee's like, you know, I

1083
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 4: had fifteen touchdown catches last year, but the guy who

1084
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: threw fifty touchdowns is only made. I can't ask more

1085
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 4: than him, right, Yeah, he set the ceiling.

1086
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: But in terms of career earnings, you know, up to

1087
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Speaker 1: when he went to Tampa, he brady did okay it

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00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: Like he he allowed the Patriots to use his contract

1089
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: as sort of like a mortgage where you would take

1090
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: loans out. But every time they did that, he get

1091
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Speaker 1: more money up front.

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Speaker 4: He did find absolutely, but I don't think there's much

1093
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 4: of an argument against the fact that he could have

1094
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 4: made He could have made if he held out every

1095
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 4: contract for them. Now he's not alone. There's a lot

1096
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 4: of guys that have done similar stuff. You wouldn't think

1097
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 4: it based on the amount of money like Mahomes is getting.

1098
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 4: And you know some of these guys, but they've you know,

1099
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 4: Borrow did the same thing. Barrow just signed it. They've

1100
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 4: taken a little bit less than they could have gotten.

1101
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 4: Mahomes certainly did, and they'll keep revisiting, like Fred says,

1102
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Speaker 4: they'll keep using that as a mortgage finding ways.

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Speaker 1: You know.

1104
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 4: Again, as Feldger likes to say, give him a cocktail napkin.

1105
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: He'll figure out how you can make a couple of

1106
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 4: adjustments here and sign the guys you want to sign.

1107
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: That's how it works now. It also helps to have

1108
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 4: that huge spike in the salary cap that didn't exist

1109
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 4: back you know, twenty years ago.

1110
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Speaker 8: I was sinking a two when you were talking about

1111
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 8: guys leaving, Like, think about how close Edelman was to leaving.

1112
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 8: Think about how close.

1113
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: High Tower was to leave.

1114
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: The guys who were literally.

1115
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 4: Nobody wanted Edelman, you know.

1116
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 3: And these are two guys that made plays that won

1117
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: you that last super Bowl and right up to it.

1118
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean players have a right to cash

1119
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: in and maximize every year they have because it's limited.

1120
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: It's limited, you know.

1121
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 4: Part of that's that luck thing too. Like you know,

1122
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 4: Mike is right like so like Edelman was the MVP

1123
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 4: of the last Super Bowl. What if he had signed

1124
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 4: with the Giants? You know what if the Giants were.

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00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 3: Interested, I think everything he did in those those three

1126
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 3: super Bowl no one.

1127
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 4: And I'm not telling you if they didn't have Edelman,

1128
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 4: they wouldn't have won, because personally, I think they would

1129
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 4: have won even if Edelman wasn't. There would have been

1130
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 4: someone else catching those passes because Brady was there. But

1131
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 4: you could make an argument that Edelman was instrumental in

1132
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 4: winning you know, the certainly the one he got the

1133
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 4: MVP in. Yeah, I don't know if they win that

1134
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 4: game with it, you know, maybe not, maybe not, but

1135
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 4: maybe someone else catches those passes and it's business as usual.

1136
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 4: You know, who knows. But to your point, that wasn't

1137
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 4: like this stroke of genius that retained Edelman. They let

1138
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 4: him go out there. He didn't really get any offers.

1139
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: I think he talked to the Giants, didn't really get

1140
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 4: an offer he wanted, and he came back. Now, when

1141
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 4: that happens, the guy goes out and gets an offer

1142
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: and leaves, you know what I mean, Like, it's no

1143
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 4: change in philosophy in people like me and you, you

1144
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 4: with the draft, me with the free agents, saying like,

1145
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 4: at some point you got to retain some of these

1146
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 4: guys and you can't just let everybody walk away. But

1147
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 4: it's kind of what they've always done.

1148
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: Let's go to Tim in Boston. What's up, Tim?

1149
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, all this talk about like stability and the

1150
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 14: coaching staff makes me think about how important it is

1151
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 14: that the next head coach is an offensive mind. You know,

1152
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 14: this one offensive voice that everyone was talking about. If

1153
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 14: you have a defensive head coach and that one offensive

1154
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 14: voice is your ob and he does his job, develops

1155
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 14: your quarterback. You have a good few years.

1156
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 12: He's going to get hired as a head coach elsewhere.

1157
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's okay, that's okay because now we the groundwork.

1158
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have to know they didn't lay the groundwork

1159
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 5: in Buffalo.

1160
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 7: Well.

1161
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: One of the things that Bill did really well here

1162
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: up until the end when the brain drained just was

1163
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: too much. But he always nurtured young guys in the

1164
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: system so that he had Ben's strength when coaches left.

1165
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: You know, he was always pretty much able to replace

1166
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys from within, like I you know, and.

1167
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 3: You have to do that Charlie to Josh, to Bill O'Brien.

1168
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: They brought in from outside and he didn't get the

1169
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: job right away.

1170
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, I would just say, like, if Mahomes entered

1171
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 4: the league with what he has right now, I don't

1172
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 4: know what we think. But Mahomes got to come into

1173
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 4: the league and he had Tyreek Hill and he had

1174
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 4: Travis Kelcey at the height of their powers and he

1175
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 4: was great. So now, yeah, people are like, what's wrong

1176
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: with Mahomes and the Chiefs. They got shut out in

1177
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 4: the second half three games in a row. But everybody

1178
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 4: knows Mahomes is great, and I would say the same

1179
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: to a lesser extent with Josh Allen. Yeah, their offense

1180
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 4: hasn't looked as good. He's still leading the league in touchdowns.

1181
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 5: People don't but he also leaves the league and turnovers correct.

1182
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: I know sometimes Hill Mary's on the last player of

1183
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 4: the half and he gets picked off. I know these

1184
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 4: are the kinds of things that get lost on some

1185
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 4: Ben Bollen can't who can't possibly analyze the game? Oh

1186
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 4: that's four?

1187
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 11: Four?

1188
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: Okay, that's four.

1189
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 4: Could you watch any of that game? By the way,

1190
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: I'm curious. I want to run this by Evan too.

1191
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 4: The Jets the Jets Bills game. Too much of it,

1192
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 4: so I would start, and I wrote this in my

1193
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 4: notes that I posted this morning. A lot of the

1194
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 4: improvement offense live for Buffalo was absolutely aided by the

1195
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 4: ineptitude of the Jets offense. Fully would admit that, right

1196
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: they set up some short fields or whatever. I saw

1197
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 4: some passes and plays from the Bills offense that I

1198
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: haven't seen with Ken Dorsey in the year and a half.

1199
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: Like the little dump offs to the backs on fourth

1200
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 4: and one, easy throw and catch. There's no way it's

1201
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 4: like a Mahomes play from the super Bowl. Like if

1202
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 4: you can can't defend that, you're screwed in an easy

1203
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 4: little twenty five yard touchdown on a fourth and one

1204
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 4: ken to us. He doesn't throw that, it's probably like

1205
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 4: a seventeen yard dig route to Dix, you know, which,

1206
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 4: you know, high degree of difficulty that I'm just going

1207
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 4: to rely on Superman to make a play to Batman,

1208
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 4: you know, And that's the only way we can succeed.

1209
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 4: But again, if you thought that there was any difference

1210
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 4: between Joe Brady, you weren't really paying attention Ben Vowen,

1211
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:30,400
Speaker 4: that's five. He was all over Twitter all weekend. I

1212
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 4: couldn't Like, I couldn't. I couldn't stop seeing things that

1213
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 4: I so passionately disagreed with.

1214
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 7: I thinkth working here.

1215
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 4: No, I actually do follow Ben Vohen follow. I do

1216
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 4: like Ben vowing Maybe you muted outside of the business

1217
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 4: maybe him.

1218
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: No, you have to really be pretty terrible for me

1219
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,320
Speaker 1: to mute or block you. And I do.

1220
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 4: And I like Ben a lot. And now I know

1221
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 4: what's going to happen because I did this because I

1222
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 4: was snarky Paul today. People will add him for me

1223
00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: and then you know whatever.

1224
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: But I do like ben uh.

1225
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 4: I just just I disagree with his football analysis from

1226
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 4: the weekend. That's all. It's not like a personal thing.

1227
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 4: They definitely will tell him. I thought that was a

1228
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 4: good In other words, I thought that was a good start.

1229
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 4: I'm not ready to tell you, hey, they just flipped

1230
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,280
Speaker 4: the switch in their back. They got like at the Chiefs,

1231
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 4: at the Cowboys, at the Eagle. They have like a

1232
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 4: really tough schedule. Chief.

1233
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1234
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 5: They they made a lot more throws I thought in

1235
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 5: the middle of the field that were taking advantage of

1236
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 5: some of the space that that digs creates, which I

1237
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 5: thought was better, like musing him more as like a

1238
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 5: decoy sometimes instead of all the time.

1239
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 4: Feed him. Well, he's gonna have to. He looked pretty

1240
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 4: happy on Sunday, and I haven't seen him happy all season.

1241
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 4: To your guy, he's been pouting all year.

1242
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 5: And they're getting Shakira on on more of those like

1243
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 5: what Cole Beasley was doing for them a couple of

1244
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 5: years ago, like those little Edelman rats.

1245
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 4: And things like that. They also called that a fluke.

1246
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: The Shakir one the slant that he put into like

1247
00:56:56,239 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 4: a male slot. Yeah, like called thanks for to call tim. Uh,

1248
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 4: let's go to Eldred, North Carolina. What's up Aldred?

1249
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 15: Hey? So let's how you doing tomorrow?

1250
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 4: All right?

1251
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: Hey?

1252
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 13: Evan? Yes, sir, got a bone to pick with your booh.

1253
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah.

1254
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 15: What I watched Michael Pennick. Yes, Saturday in the rain

1255
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 15: against Arizona State, and he was putting the dimes right

1256
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 15: before it was coming right in the guys and they

1257
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 15: was dropping the rain, but they came back at one May.

1258
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 15: I see May every other weekend because I'm up here

1259
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 15: at a CC. I'll take Pennics over May. And which

1260
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 15: called him in? I did like George Travis, but my

1261
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 15: boy got hurt and he's out for the year, so

1262
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 15: his draft strap don't drop.

1263
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: He's not as highly rated as the rest of those guys.

1264
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 5: Michael Pennix, No, you're right. I mean Michael Pennix, as

1265
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 5: I like to say, collects more dimes than any other

1266
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 5: quarterback in this class.

1267
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 4: As he likes to say, Fred Job.

1268
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 5: You always say that Jobs always say drops more dimes

1269
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 5: than any quarterback in the class. But have you looked

1270
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 5: at Michael Pennix's injury history because it's not pretty.

1271
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 4: I also didn't think he was great.

1272
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 15: I know, I know, but but he's still moved. He

1273
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 15: still moved a little bit after that, and he still

1274
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 15: throw better. And like I said, they still rate five undefeated,

1275
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 15: and he'd have played against some tough yeah petitions, I

1276
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 15: don't think killed May.

1277
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, they have good wins. You are right about that, Eld.

1278
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: They have good wins. But he also he has more

1279
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 4: talent around him. But yeah, I don't.

1280
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 5: I don't hate Michael Pennix by any stretch. The injury

1281
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 5: history worries me. He's has he's blown out the same

1282
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 5: a cl twice. He has shoulder injuries to both shoulders.

1283
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 5: He's had four severe injuries in college. And he's twenty

1284
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 5: four years going to be twenty four years old as

1285
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 5: a rookie. Those things sire.

1286
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 15: Not top first draft draft pick, round yeah.

1287
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 4: First round. Yeah, most people have been in the first round.

1288
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 4: I thought he was more of a back half of

1289
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 4: the first round. But it looks like he's going to

1290
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 4: be top ten like anybody else. Yeah, and uh, break

1291
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 4: deep ball thrower.

1292
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 15: There's a lot of wide receivers in this group. That

1293
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 15: is the good. Besides, Marvin Harrison is the top.

1294
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: Of the crap.

1295
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 4: But the rest of them, I like the kids from Washington.

1296
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 15: Washington, Johnny Johnny for from the state, and a.

1297
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 4: Bunch of neighbors from l s u kem on the neighbors,

1298
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 4: I like Burton from Alabama.

1299
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 7: My concern is, My concern isn't that the talent isn't there.

1300
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 7: My concern is developing them, like either either choosing the

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00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 7: wrong one or like not being able.

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Speaker 4: To bring Fred's gonna die on that hill.

1303
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 15: Bringing me in. Let him right, get rid of Brown.

1304
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 15: He never did it. But y'all have a good one.

1305
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 4: Thanks. Did you quit on Latin McConkie whateppen? Yeah, yeah,

1306
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 4: you know McConkie's Actually.

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00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 5: Every time I see him pop up, Lad mcconakie is

1308
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 5: like a legit probably like that's like a guy that's

1309
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 5: gonna get drafted in the first two rounds.

1310
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you the weird like another million reasons why

1311
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 4: I could never be in charge. That the weird things

1312
01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 4: that that I'm impressed by with Michael Pennix. Did you

1313
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 4: watch any of that game? Yeah, so they got the

1314
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 4: ball at the end. They're trying to grind out a

1315
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 4: first down and how many times you see it?

1316
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 11: True?

1317
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 4: It was like third and seven, you know, pouring rain

1318
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 4: and just throw it. It was a rifle shot. No,

1319
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 4: he's got a good arm and like that to me

1320
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 4: tells me all I need to know about their coaching

1321
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 4: staff and their faith and their guy that they're going

1322
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 4: to put it on his shoulders to win this game.

1323
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 4: And then he came through and did it like nothing

1324
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 4: Fluky wasn't like we we tricked the defense and got

1325
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 4: a wide open play. They win a traditional and third

1326
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 4: and long play that you would run in the middle

1327
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 4: of the second quarter with the game on the line.

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01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 4: Got it, boom.

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Speaker 5: If you're if you want to build like a vertical

1330
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 5: passing offense like they have at Washington, then Pennix is

1331
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 5: the is the best vertical passer in the class.

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01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 4: I thought that was his best throw of that game.

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01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark can't what's up? Mark?

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01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 13: Hey, guys, how's a going?

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Speaker 7: So? Uh?

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01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 16: I had a question for you guys. Yes, have you

1337
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 16: guys had enough of listening to Bill Belichick during his

1338
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 16: media conferences on how we treat you guys? Because I

1339
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 16: would don't take it. And then the other thing is

1340
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 16: is that you got pick number three. Are we going

1341
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 16: with Marvin Harrison or are we going quarterback?

1342
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: Tackle?

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: It's a tackle pick for.

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01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 4: Me, right I'll come across the table right now.

1345
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to play this all yeah, all five months.

1346
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to be the tackle guy. You guys are

1347
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 3: gonna hate.

1348
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: We can't we can't start.

1349
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 4: Get which one the Penn State one of the Notre Dame.

1350
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 3: Well, I gotta get back to you on that one.

1351
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: Paul gets you the hand placement.

1352
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 4: Right now, I will ask you twenty fifth, I'll ask

1353
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: Evan which quarterback? I'll get you a tackle you want?

1354
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: You want?

1355
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 3: I'm going to corner the market.

1356
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 4: Don't you tell me what I want? Joe Waltz, just

1357
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 4: so I can spell it. The other guy, what is it?

1358
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: It's not that hard. Her name was Love.

1359
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: Speaking of the draft at a Deal, writes in I

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01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: listened to the twenty twenty two first round draft show

1361
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,440
Speaker 1: recently and it makes for great comedy. Reaction to the

1362
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: trade down Mark Daniel's tweet, this is a really deep draft,

1363
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 1: so I like the trade. Fred says I thought just

1364
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 1: the first round was weak. Defending the overall quality of

1365
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: the draft, who says I read the best place to

1366
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: be was twenty to forty. Fred says, I think it's

1367
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: a great trade. Tamara says, I think it's a great

1368
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: trade because my people are still there. Paul says, I

1369
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 1: don't like it. I wanted McDuffie. Eric says hurump. My

1370
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from listening to the Patriots are so bad.

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01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 4: Oh I was thinking this year. I was, oh, yeah,

1372
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 4: who oh. You think maybe McDuffie instead of cold Strange

1373
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 4: might have made some sense.

1374
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: No, my biggest takeaway from listening to the Patriots is

1375
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 1: so bad that Fred has been completely beaten down. I

1376
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: missed the over the top optimism from our leader.

1377
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 4: I know we need to get that back. Yeah, we

1378
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 4: need to get I agree with that call.

1379
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: I had optimism when it was warranted.

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01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 4: Wait wait till they draft Killibilliams. He'll be back on,

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01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 4: you know, I'll be back on an actual quarterback that

1382
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 4: can put points on the board.

1383
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's amazing. Like, just watching that game last night,

1384
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 7: I was like, Wow, this is what it's like to

1385
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 7: actually watch like NFL football, Like I feel like a

1386
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 7: real offense, real offensive.

1387
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 5: I watched some of the Gods yesterday. The God, the

1388
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 5: God Shanahan and that offense the Niners are.

1389
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 4: Just it's a perfect passerating good.

1390
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 5: It's just poetry, like, it's just the way that they

1391
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 5: just create space in passing lanes and just conflict in

1392
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 5: the defense. I mean, Deebo Samuel was there wasn't anybody

1393
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 5: within twenty yards of him on that one big play,

1394
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 5: and then that's probably the one guy on the field

1395
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 5: that you're like making sure you know where he is

1396
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 5: and he's still wide f open by twenty yards.

1397
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 4: Back to our original why it points down right, is

1398
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 4: it the quarterback play whatever? So the quarterback had a

1399
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 4: perfect passer rating, which arguably means he didn't make any

1400
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 4: mistakes in the game. Evan just wax poetic for two

1401
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 4: minutes about the concepts that they had and they scored

1402
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 4: twenty seven points.

1403
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 5: Actually, I actually just think Perdy played that well in

1404
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 5: the first half. I just think he ran different.

1405
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 4: I think they're making you go the long way, which

1406
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 4: is shortening the game, and then you make a mistake

1407
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 4: or two here or there, you get give up a pressure.

1408
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 4: Because I don't think the Niners offensive line has been

1409
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 4: I've watched the Niners a few times, and I feel

1410
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 4: like perty's been under a decent amount of rest. No,

1411
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:35,720
Speaker 4: he played the first half.

1412
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 5: He's was actually, I because when you see a guy

1413
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 5: had a perfect passer rating, when you pull it up,

1414
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 5: you expect the game to just be ridiculous. Right first half,

1415
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 5: I thought Party was actually a little bit shaky. But

1416
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 5: they make so many throws.

1417
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 4: That are just so it's so funny.

1418
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 5: It is because he it just he's just pressing buttons

1419
01:04:53,600 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 5: on a controller, like I swear to God, like he's

1420
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 5: got George Kittle under down, backed up on the goal

1421
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:03,240
Speaker 5: line and they just like bootleg it Party, and George

1422
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 5: Kittle is wide open, like for a little throw into

1423
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 5: the flat and then he turns up people on the

1424
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 5: twenty five yards.

1425
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 4: It's like a amount of kittle I could have thrown

1426
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 4: right handed.

1427
01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 5: It's like a good good throw, like I guess, like

1428
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 5: good throw, Good job practice, good job boy.

1429
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: So Evan's gonna head out to practice. We'll get out first.

1430
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 4: Do not want you to return without a starting quarter.

1431
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 3: Take note who's starting first, Evan.

1432
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: And keep track of the mood. Keep track of the mood.

1433
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:29,919
Speaker 1: That mood.

1434
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 3: Gonna want that moved.

1435
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: It's cold. H Web Radio at Patries dot com is

1436
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: the email address. Brandon writes in do you think because

1437
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: quarterbacks know that their feet are an outlet, that they

1438
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: are less reliant on letting plays develop or really studying

1439
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: concepts or developing some of those intangible skills that or Peyton?

1440
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 4: Probably at times some guys more than others.

1441
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 3: You know, I think that's something you try to.

1442
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 4: First thing, isn't there? I can use my feature, That's

1443
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 4: what I've done all my life.

1444
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 1: I think Big Ben, though much less mobile tour end,

1445
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: never relied on schemes or audible because he was so

1446
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 1: big and would move around so much. Guys would get free.

1447
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 1: When you can't do that, you've got to be smart.

1448
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: I remember Mahomes said he didn't start reading defenses until

1449
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:12,960
Speaker 1: his third year.

1450
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think I thought it was interesting Mahomes,

1451
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 4: And I disagree with him, just like I disagree with Brady,

1452
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 4: you know, talking about the number. Thing has been tougher

1453
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 4: on defenses, the different numbers on number seven playing middle linebacker,

1454
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, I just I don't really see why

1455
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: it's that hard. You're identifying it before the play, just

1456
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 4: like you always would. What's the difference if he's fifty

1457
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 4: one or seven.

1458
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 3: Big a deep dive question.

1459
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 4: Yes, quarterbacks, Yeah, you're probably right, you know, probably a

1460
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 4: million things I don't. I'm not I need to know

1461
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 4: if that's a DV or a linebacker, and I you know,

1462
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 4: is he coming or going?

1463
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: Uh? Let's see Max from Santa Bid Max from Santa Barbara.

1464
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: First off, all this talk about Bill's got to go, well,

1465
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 1: who's better and who'll be sorry if for when it

1466
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: doesn't work out as you have play? Second, why would

1467
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: anyone take a quarterback out of USC? The university has

1468
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: spoiled children? What quarterback from there has ever had a

1469
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: decent career? I'd take Harrison Palmer or the best available

1470
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: if he's gone. And I really like the kid from Azoo,

1471
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: Brady Cook. He showed up and held his own against

1472
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: Georgia and such. Thanks for the forum. Been listening since

1473
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, way back when the show was

1474
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: all email and King Tom would say you know why.

1475
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would just argue and you know, well, when

1476
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 4: Evan comes back, remind me to get into the Lincoln

1477
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 4: Riley thing, because Lincoln Riley's had several Heisman Trophy winning

1478
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 4: quarterbacks and they in general have not panned out. Interesting, Yeah,

1479
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 4: so I'll just be curious to see if he thinks

1480
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 4: there's any correlation there. I'm not a big fan of

1481
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 4: the the school thing, especially when there's different coaches along

1482
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 4: the way and there's differ different systems. If you want

1483
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 4: to tell me Lincoln Riley's guys don't work, that to

1484
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 4: me would hold some water.

1485
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 7: I will say, like I had this thing for a

1486
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 7: while with Ohio State and Alabama that their guys don't

1487
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 7: work in the NFL. I mean, obviously outside of Jalen

1488
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 7: Hurts and Tua out of Alabama, all those guys that

1489
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 7: started their national championship like streak, none of them made

1490
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 7: it but.

1491
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 4: Karen, But none of those guys were considered to be prospects.

1492
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,599
Speaker 4: That's the difference.

1493
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 7: Like, like they were fine, they love their teams in

1494
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 7: national championships, but the one.

1495
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 4: Was a prospect who didn't work out like the other.

1496
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 4: I mean the Tua and and Hurts were you know,

1497
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 4: first and second round picks, and Mac was a first

1498
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 4: round pick. McElroy. I think in McCarran, those guys were

1499
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 4: like day three guys and practice squad fodder.

1500
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like when I was in.

1501
01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 7: School, was it Barrett and rest in peace? I can't

1502
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 7: remember his name.

1503
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 4: Right now, Dwayne Haskins.

1504
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 7: Yes, it's like even Ohose State.

1505
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 4: It's like Ohio State. Is that's legit because they've had

1506
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 4: They've had a lot of quarterbacks and most of them

1507
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,720
Speaker 4: have not really been very good, and now Stroud has

1508
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 4: been excellent. I still think I watched I watched Chicago

1509
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 4: and I'm still I'm still like intrigued by Fields. I

1510
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 4: think this is a guy that I think if he

1511
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 4: got to a team that better. I thought they call

1512
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 4: plays great in that game for him. And did you

1513
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 4: see the throw the DJ Moore in that game for

1514
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 4: a touchdown? Climb the pocket? I mean, I think he

1515
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:22,960
Speaker 4: can play.

1516
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: With the Bears picks. I mean they're going to be

1517
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 1: tempted to take a quarterback, right think?

1518
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 4: So, well, yeah, I think that's all signs points taking

1519
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 4: a quarterback. I hope they do. So Field gets to

1520
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:32,640
Speaker 4: go somewhere else.

1521
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 7: Trade Fields.

1522
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, like, what you know, I think

1523
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: they'd be willing to trade him. What would you be

1524
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 1: willing to give for him?

1525
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 7: No? My question? Okay, so say if they take the quarterback,

1526
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 7: they trade fields, would you take Fields and then take

1527
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 7: Marvin Harris?

1528
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:49,640
Speaker 1: Yes?

1529
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 7: I would do that, So then you still get it

1530
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 7: and there is way better quarterback.

1531
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: But then you also get and I might still draft

1532
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 1: a guy like in the third or fourth.

1533
01:09:58,280 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 4: So what are we trading for Fields?

1534
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 1: I give them. I give them a second round pick

1535
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: this year and a third round pick next year.

1536
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 7: How would we give them that much? Okay, it might

1537
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 7: not say, we can give you Mac and Taekwon and

1538
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 7: we'll take Fields.

1539
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love trades.

1540
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 4: Take these guys with that aren't working out. For give

1541
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 4: us something that Mike gets, a change of scenery trade,

1542
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 4: you're going to get rid of Fields.

1543
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to give them my first this year,

1544
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: but they might be asking for that. But no, no, no, no, no, no,

1545
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: there's no way you give I might give them.

1546
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if they get a second.

1547
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: I might give him what about second next year? Not

1548
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 1: this year? Second and a third this year?

1549
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 8: They would have about a conditional third that rises to

1550
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 8: a second if he starts x amount.

1551
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 1: Of No, no conditional pick is in the on the table.

1552
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 7: Sure that would be Fields and your offensive another offensive?

1553
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, but who's going to block I am?

1554
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 4: I have to admit I'm not good at those projected trades.

1555
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 4: Like what guys are work? I always feel like guys

1556
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 4: are never worth anywhere near as much as I think.

1557
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 3: I'm bad at money too.

1558
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 4: Well, how much would you pay him?

1559
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 3: I'm like a gajillion? I don't know.

1560
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 4: Like see, I don't really I don't delve in gagillion.

1561
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 4: I don't delve into that because I don't say, like,

1562
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 4: I only care if the guy can play.

1563
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 3: Oh, you guys good.

1564
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 4: I don't care how much money.

1565
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 7: I remember.

1566
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,160
Speaker 8: I remember we were doing a thing and I would

1567
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 8: just mentioned Anthonty Jennings and You're like, well, how much

1568
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 8: did you pay him?

1569
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,439
Speaker 3: And I was like, I literally have no concept of

1570
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 3: what money.

1571
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 4: I must have been having an out of body experience.

1572
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 4: I'll trust you.

1573
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1574
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 7: This is this is another good one. Do you think

1575
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:32,839
Speaker 7: they're gonna take a quarterback?

1576
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 15: Uh?

1577
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: They could be tempted as well.

1578
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 7: And would you take Kyler? No?

1579
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely see you would blink.

1580
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

1581
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 4: Now I'm not giving up like my first round pick

1582
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 4: for Kyler Murray.

1583
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah he's too small. I don't. I don't. I don't

1584
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: want him. He's yeah, I mean, and he's not featuring

1585
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,839
Speaker 1: a little bit of Justin Fields. Could be my future.

1586
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: Not not Kyler Mkyler too small. Yeah so okay, likes

1587
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 3: Madden too much.

1588
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 4: I like to delve into these things. Kyler Murray, who's

1589
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 4: actually had success in the league, is not the future.

1590
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 4: Justin Fields, who I am still intrigued by but has

1591
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 4: no success.

1592
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:11,759
Speaker 3: It's a projection.

1593
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: It's a projection.

1594
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 4: That's my future.

1595
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: My projection.

1596
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 3: Feel for the quarterback.

1597
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 4: It's an odd view. It's an odd view even for you.

1598
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 3: Do you see we're right at quarterbachelor, quarter.

1599
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 7: Bachelor, that one quarterback if they somehow yeah, absolutely, even

1600
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 7: though they just paid Daniel Jones.

1601
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Daniel.

1602
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:37,640
Speaker 7: I'm not even going to ask the question if you

1603
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 7: were trade for him, because absolutely not.

1604
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones.

1605
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1606
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 7: If anyone did that, think you better if he was.

1607
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 4: Dan Joe, where where are the Patriots picking?

1608
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 3: Sure?

1609
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 7: I would so behind behind Chicago Cardinals, Giants.

1610
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 4: Patriots if I can't, If I can't get a quarterback there,

1611
01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 4: so I'm out of the quarterback three or four, Okay,

1612
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 4: I would trade for him. For Daniel Jones, I'm not

1613
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 4: giving you again. I'm not giving you like a first.

1614
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:05,800
Speaker 1: I'll give you a six round pick. Flame.

1615
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 4: Well, he's gonna cast you more than a six D

1616
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:08,400
Speaker 4: that I'm not.

1617
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1618
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 7: How about we just trad Jon Daniel, you take me.

1619
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't be opposed. I guess what I'm saying.

1620
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 4: It's it's not even about necessarily the individual. I wouldn't

1621
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 4: be opposed to an established NFL starter while I wait

1622
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 4: to figure out how I'm gonna get the guy won. Okay, Yeah,

1623
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 4: so that's why Kyler Murray would make sense for me.

1624
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins would have made sense for me, not not anymore.

1625
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,000
Speaker 4: And I absolutely would take a roll of the dice

1626
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 4: with Daniel.

1627
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 8: I like your new guard thing though, like a new

1628
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 8: a new member of the Journeyman quarterback club, not the

1629
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 8: usual Baker Mayfield Kirk Cousins.

1630
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 4: Not that I don't want Baker Mayfield because he can't

1631
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 4: play the Kirk Cousins can. I I don't think Kirk

1632
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 4: Cousins is great, but he can play Baker Bakele Baker

1633
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,919
Speaker 4: Bake and Mose six out of seven, Ben and Brooklyn.

1634
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: What I want from the remaining games is less about

1635
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: rebuilding the winning culture, improving the draft pick or losing,

1636
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: but keeping it competitive until the end. I want information.

1637
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: The last couple of weeks, for instance, have removed doubts

1638
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: I had earlier in the season about Remandre and Barmore.

1639
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,800
Speaker 1: The games have also shown that Tavai has a nose

1640
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,240
Speaker 1: for the ball and can't be disregarded as a what

1641
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 1: was Bill thinking player. Zeke has also shown flashes All

1642
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 1: signs suggests that Mac needs a fresh start elsewhere Thornton

1643
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have it, and maybe Strange needs more reps. But

1644
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: we need clarity one way or another. So I'm hoping

1645
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: for definitive answers, nothing more.

1646
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 3: I don't know how definitive they can all be. I mean,

1647
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:36,680
Speaker 3: you'll get information.

1648
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,560
Speaker 4: You haven't gotten a definitive answer. You're not getting a

1649
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:39,680
Speaker 4: definitive answer.

1650
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: Like city.

1651
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 8: Continue to see him develop it at guard. I think

1652
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 8: that'll give them some options. You know, is Mafi going

1653
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 8: to get back in there or is that kind of

1654
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 8: ship has sailed?

1655
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: Where's the food.

1656
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 3: You guys, cause you know you guys have been patronizing

1657
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 3: this place for for twenty straight years.

1658
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 4: I was thinking about trying a different place to Oh yeah,

1659
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 4: maybe that's the problem. Did we do it a different place?

1660
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 8: You think you guys would be like vip status every

1661
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 8: Tuesday Wednesday Thursday.

1662
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,679
Speaker 1: Ron's in Orlando on the call on the phone. What's up, run,

1663
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: Hey guys, how y'all doing Okay?

1664
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 4: Hey Ron?

1665
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 13: Hey, So I was watching I.

1666
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 17: Was watching the podcast, obviously, and I just got like

1667
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 17: magnified on something you guys are saying that I just wanted.

1668
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 14: To get off my chest and just kind of talk about.

1669
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 17: You know, I have family who still lives in Massachusetts

1670
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 17: and in the New England area, and I swear so

1671
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 17: much of the Brady took less money thing is the

1672
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 17: funniest thing in the world to me. It's like, every

1673
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 17: single time someone makes any kind of money, it's then

1674
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,439
Speaker 17: never gonna win a championship. And I just had to

1675
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 17: like come on here and just bring it up because

1676
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 17: I just think it's so so silly, just so silly.

1677
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:51,840
Speaker 3: Like one of the tenets of a good football team

1678
01:15:51,880 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 3: is the quarterback must take less.

1679
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 4: No, I don't think he must. I just think he did,

1680
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 4: and I think he set a ceiling within the locker room.

1681
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 4: No One's going to make more than Brady, and Brady's not,

1682
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:07,000
Speaker 4: you know, holding out for every last time. But now,

1683
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 4: I do you think that was part of their success

1684
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 4: in the early part of the dynasty when it mattered

1685
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 4: because the salary cap, Like I didn't always think the

1686
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 4: salary cap was meaningless. That's only like a more of

1687
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,560
Speaker 4: a twenty ten and on kind of thing once the

1688
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 4: numbers got so big and so easily manipulated. But back

1689
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 4: then Fred and I were lockstep, Like you have to

1690
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 4: worry about how you're structuring your contracts because you can't

1691
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:35,719
Speaker 4: pay everybody.

1692
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1693
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, And I'm just going to add to your point

1694
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,639
Speaker 8: where like, oh, by the way, you're going to compete

1695
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 8: for a super Bowl every year, like you're at worst

1696
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 8: probably just gonna be in the conference championship game.

1697
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 4: And that helped you get guys and you guarantee it. Yeah,

1698
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 4: it helped get you got guys to stay, and it

1699
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 4: helped attract guys.

1700
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,559
Speaker 8: Yep, older veterans like those wide receivers that just say, man,

1701
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:55,679
Speaker 8: what's it like to play with Brady?

1702
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 1: Like that guy there.

1703
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, some of them work, some of them didn't. But

1704
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 4: you know, I think the fact that they had so

1705
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 4: much success and had a program program established.

1706
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,880
Speaker 1: Jack and and Aba says in the climactic chariot race

1707
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 1: of the epic movie Ben Hurt, how does the hero

1708
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 1: win the race? Ben hur wins the Chariot Race because

1709
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: he's driving the finest team of Arabian horses in the world.

1710
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: The lesson is that to win the race, you must

1711
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 1: have the horses. The Patriots simply do not have the

1712
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: horses to win the race in the NFL. From this

1713
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: point on, all the Patriots energy should be focused on

1714
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 1: acquiring the horses needed to compete.

1715
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 3: My dad had the record to Ben her and I

1716
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 3: just remember that dirt, you know, when they're rowing the boat.

1717
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 4: I don't think I ever saw Ben.

1718
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 3: What are you doing on Easter? Every year?

1719
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:48,639
Speaker 1: Quite a movie?

1720
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,440
Speaker 4: Avoiding that in the Ten Commandments?

1721
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: Quite a moment.

1722
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 4: Did you see them on TV? They go on for

1723
01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 4: talk about epics?

1724
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like four hours, right, it was like

1725
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 3: six records.

1726
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: I think, how's your first round pick? Now, Belichick, Let's

1727
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: go to Boston Cream. What's up Boston Cream?

1728
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 14: Hey, guys, question for you?

1729
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 15: Is this the biggest must lose game in Patriots since

1730
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 15: nineteen ninety two?

1731
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 16: Paul Week three gave us through Bloodstoke Let me know, Okay,

1732
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 16: thanks for the call.

1733
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 7: You guys are keep following Boston Cream on Twitter. It

1734
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 7: is so funny.

1735
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 4: What did he say?

1736
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: Is this the biggest must lose games since nineteen ninety two.

1737
01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 3: I mean, it's we're gonna be talking about this game.

1738
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 3: I feel like in April when we're doing those draft

1739
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 3: shows and like, oh here we are.

1740
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 8: I picked number three because the Giants are at number two,

1741
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 8: because we couldn't figure out a way to lose to them.

1742
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,920
Speaker 7: I think it's possible. I mean, literally shooting our show

1743
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 7: on Monday, I picked the Giants to win.

1744
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 4: How did you feel about this, Freddy? Can you bring

1745
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 4: yourself to that or no? I can.

1746
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm not going to shed any tears if we lose,

1747
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: but I think you go out to.

1748
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 4: Win, but you're you're hoping to win the game, as

1749
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:05,720
Speaker 4: you know, doing the blog and doing all that.

1750
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 1: I'd love to see the team play well and win

1751
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 1: the game.

1752
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 3: You know, see some flashes from some guys.

1753
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 8: I just I mean, we're not going to get into

1754
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 8: it yet, but it's just like, the Giants played okay

1755
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 8: last week.

1756
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 4: I haven't seen the Patriots.

1757
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: We don't even know who's starting a quarterback.

1758
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 4: The Patriots played okay against Buffalo. Yeah, I mean, if

1759
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,480
Speaker 4: we're going to use like the one time theory.

1760
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, three weeks ago.

1761
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 8: So it's recentcy bias, but like I haven't seen, you know,

1762
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,120
Speaker 8: based on where these two teams auret right now, I

1763
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 8: don't know how you can. I mean, it's a huge

1764
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 8: leap of faith to pick the Patriots when you don't

1765
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 8: know who's gonna be this quarterback. You haven't seen them

1766
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 8: score a touchdown in two weeks or three weeks.

1767
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:42,160
Speaker 7: Now, I'm like scared that Mac is. If it is Mac,

1768
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:43,960
Speaker 7: he's gonna be too easy looking at Dexter Lawrence and

1769
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 7: cave On Tippoteau coming after him.

1770
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 3: But if I just I can't if they put Mac

1771
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:48,920
Speaker 3: back out there, I just I don't know.

1772
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 8: I mean, I think it says more about Bailey Zappy

1773
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 8: than than Mac, Like how bad to Bailly's app You

1774
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 8: have to be in practice this week to not just

1775
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 8: an opportunity for.

1776
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Speaker 1: A lookie lou.

1777
01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 3: Get a little part popular and Bill's ocular is that

1778
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Speaker 3: your key's.

1779
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 1: Game a little popular and Build's ocular.

1780
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:10,880
Speaker 4: Ocular hearty ism if he comes in with a like

1781
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,559
Speaker 4: things to watch, things to watch popular in your ocular

1782
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 4: Seventeen different ways to say it, Yeah, one more annoying

1783
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Speaker 4: than the next.

1784
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Speaker 18: This is true.

1785
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:20,760
Speaker 7: At this point, I think I just want to see

1786
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 7: learn more about people that we haven't really seen that

1787
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 7: much of Kaishawan Boody and Taekwon Thornton. I don't know

1788
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:30,840
Speaker 7: what you're waiting on, but like, we'd love to see them.

1789
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 4: Thornton them Why not?

1790
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 3: I just love what do we have to lose?

1791
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,479
Speaker 8: Thornton out there every snap and just see if he can,

1792
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 8: if you can get anything out until he snaps.

1793
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:41,760
Speaker 1: In a good way or bad way.

1794
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 4: Eve, Like this is so different than anything he ever

1795
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 4: did twenty years.

1796
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't even know who I know. I'm angry Alex

1797
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Speaker 1: and Burlington. I'm with you all that Jared Jared Gid

1798
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: Mayo is the head coach next year. That said, I'm

1799
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 1: not sure who will be the offensive coordinator. I agree

1800
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: with Evan that changing the OC and head coach and

1801
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 1: going for a full rebuild may be too risky to start,

1802
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 1: so McDaniels could step in as a safe option. But

1803
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 1: what intrigues me is that if Mayo is the head coach,

1804
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 1: I think he'll bring back actual titles to the coaching

1805
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: staff and name a defensive coordinator. I would love to

1806
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 1: see DeMarcus Comington in that role. Nothing against Steve, but

1807
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 1: I feel like he's more suited studying and cooking up

1808
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 1: a game plan.

1809
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 4: It's not going to be Steve than.

1810
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 1: Being a leader. However, I remember Mayo saying Dante high

1811
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: Tower would be a phenomenal coach. What are your thoughts

1812
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,559
Speaker 1: if high Tower joined the coaching staff down the road? Yeah, sure,

1813
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: you have to pay his dues.

1814
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 4: You're not gonna bring no idea about a guy who's

1815
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 4: not a coach. But if if Bill coaches somewhere, he's

1816
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 4: gonna have his kids with him, right, I would. Now,

1817
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 4: if Bill doesn't coach, then maybe Steve Belichick is the

1818
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator, I would think.

1819
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Speaker 8: But I think it's also a complicated thing. If Bill

1820
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 8: were to go to another team. And you know, like

1821
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 8: I said last those guys got young families. They've only

1822
01:21:57,320 --> 01:21:59,439
Speaker 8: grown up around here, like they pretty much just knowing

1823
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 8: what is the life. Though no I know a coach,

1824
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Speaker 8: you know, well then they and they've had a you know,

1825
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Speaker 8: a charm life as far as like they've walked right

1826
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 8: into it.

1827
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Speaker 4: They've they've you know, read thank God, your food's here.

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Speaker 3: Things are complicated. If Red was really wordable, Paul, get

1829
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Speaker 3: this food.

1830
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Speaker 1: Okay, food is here, Paul, you can't eat mine? Today.

1831
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, we'll be right back after we eat.

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Speaker 6: What's up, everybody? Bill Belichick spoke with the media this morning.

1853
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Speaker 6: Let's have a listen to what he had to say.

1854
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Speaker 20: All right, everybody to recover from the bye weekend. Yes, good, uh,

1855
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 20: you know, good opportunity for uh, you know, for everybody

1856
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 20: to you know, take a deep breath here and excited

1857
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 20: to get back out on the field. Get ready to

1858
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 20: go here, you know, have a good have a good

1859
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 20: week at ras of the Giants. You know, it's a

1860
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 20: good uh, you know, good look at the Giants. You know,

1861
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 20: we saw him in their first game last year in

1862
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 20: preseason and now we're you know, kind of two years in.

1863
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 20: You know, you can see the stamp that uh, you know,

1864
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,479
Speaker 20: coach stables put on the team and in all three

1865
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:55,640
Speaker 20: areas and offense, defense, special teams. So definitely have a

1866
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 20: you know, good group of quality players. You know, some

1867
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 20: guys you really got to that are tough to deal with,

1868
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 20: certainly Lawrence on defense and it's one of the top

1869
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 20: top guys we'll see dipide. Oh, safeties are Kenyan Pinnick

1870
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:16,480
Speaker 20: are playing well, aggressive play style that they have, you know, offensively,

1871
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 20: obviously Barkley, you know, it's a major force go to

1872
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 20: guy for him.

1873
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 18: You know, pretty good group of skilled players.

1874
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 20: And and do a couple of unusual things in the

1875
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,680
Speaker 20: punting game they're left to deal with in terms of

1876
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 20: formations a little different than what we normally see.

1877
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 18: But you know, good, good, solid group.

1878
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 12: You know.

1879
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 20: Overall, I think the way they played against Washington is

1880
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,719
Speaker 20: kind of the way that they are successful. Playing good defense,

1881
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 20: turn the ball over, you know, hit a few key

1882
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 20: plays offensively, you know, wheel route to Barkley, you know,

1883
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 20: slate and short yardist, play action pass us. You know,

1884
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:03,320
Speaker 20: Brian's a really good play caller, does a good job

1885
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 20: keeping us off balance. You know, we saw that certainly

1886
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:10,720
Speaker 20: in multiple games against them in Buffalo. So we'll have

1887
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 20: to really, you know, do a good job there with

1888
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,719
Speaker 20: just being disciplined and you know, following following our rules

1889
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 20: and you know, being ready for kind of the unexpected

1890
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 20: from anything from no huddle to you know, gadget plays

1891
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 20: to you know, just their normal conventional game planning. They're

1892
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 20: good game planning team built on offensive defense.

1893
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 18: So yeah, it get started on them today, man, Yeah,

1894
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 18: be rady to roll, have a good week.

1895
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,919
Speaker 20: The has a decision been made on a stogging quarterback

1896
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 20: to this weekend. H I've told all the players the

1897
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 20: same thing, be ready to go, so hopefully they will be.

1898
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,080
Speaker 4: Have you made decided most higher what ha or cobbys.

1899
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 18: You've told everybody to be ready to go?

1900
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 4: You have a disag difference m where you tell them

1901
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:58,360
Speaker 4: them when they're dying.

1902
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Speaker 18: In decisions what a different thing? Well, let you know

1903
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Speaker 18: on Sunday.

1904
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Speaker 1: That's really good.

1905
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Speaker 11: M uh it that was lit O'Brien saidsty to little

1906
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,400
Speaker 11: agree with. Uh got into reaps with the first and offense.

1907
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 4: Uh?

1908
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Speaker 11: Was that the first time that that's happened this season?

1909
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 11: And how do you went to those opportunities?

1910
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 20: Well, last week we had an opportunity to kind of

1911
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 20: give the guys that didn't play as much more opportunity

1912
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 20: to run more of our stuff and less stuff off

1913
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 20: cards and scout team things. So that was you know,

1914
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 20: pretty much shoot for everybody across the board. You know,

1915
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 20: we just ran We didn't work on any scout team plays.

1916
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 20: We just ran our plays, so everybody got to run

1917
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 20: what we ran. So you know, you know, we had

1918
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 20: some guys that were out there, some guys weren't out there.

1919
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,560
Speaker 20: Wasn't a a lot of the guys had played, have

1920
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 20: played a lot, didn't practice as much?

1921
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,160
Speaker 7: What with the und started to do? Like, how do

1922
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 7: you feel if there is a possibility where you come

1923
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 7: in to have.

1924
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 20: A player shot at by I told every player to

1925
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 20: be ready to play, so see things go go from there.

1926
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 11: But whe wherever does start at quarterback on Sunday.

1927
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be more advantageous to have them take the

1928
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 4: bold be starting reps to prepare for the giants.

1929
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 18: I want everybody to be prepared. How much of a challenge.

1930
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:25,160
Speaker 4: Would that be when you have you know, three maybe

1931
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 4: four calls of the bats.

1932
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Speaker 20: It's everybody's job and do the best they can to

1933
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 20: be prepared. And we'll play a game on Thursday where

1934
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 20: there'll be even less time than we have now.

1935
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 10: So, hm S, have you given any thoughts to having

1936
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 10: a few different players play quarterback on Sunday? The kind

1937
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 10: of thing where you might sort of mix guys in

1938
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 10: depending on on the situations.

1939
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:51,640
Speaker 18: Yeah, I've told all the players to be ready to go.

1940
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 13: So what did it BacT?

1941
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 18: How you guys get or don't go base?

1942
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 7: You know, just.

1943
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 18: Not knowing just thinks you way day.

1944
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:06,760
Speaker 20: Yeah, I think whoever we put in there will be

1945
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 20: able to do what we ask 'em to do. Otherwise

1946
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 20: we wouldn't ask him to do it.

1947
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 2: Abstractly speaking, when you would uh a hate which you generally.

1948
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 11: Want the player, the offense, any entire teams you know

1949
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 11: used to the started tapping to.

1950
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:23,040
Speaker 18: What you fay.

1951
01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 20: Yeah, everybody needs to be ready to go to time.

1952
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 20: So that's where we are for today, Today's Tuesday. Go

1953
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,759
Speaker 20: out there, MM be prepared, be ready to take advantage

1954
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 20: of their opportunities, and we'll go to Wednesday.

1955
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 18: Is it okay?

1956
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 10: But it's like Friday.

1957
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 11: You want people apprised their decisions are all out.

1958
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 20: In the one day at a time. Alright, today's Tuesday.

1959
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 18: So is it a competition this week? Building?

1960
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 7: Or guy started?

1961
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,679
Speaker 18: I told everybody to be ready to go, But will

1962
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 18: your decision whatever that happens will.

1963
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 4: Basically will be based on this week.

1964
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 20: It'll be based on what I think is best for

1965
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 20: the team. And I've told everybody to be ready to go.

1966
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:05,599
Speaker 20: Hopefully they will.

1967
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 6: Are you guys still working without Adrian Plum?

1968
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 18: Yes?

1969
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 4: Just Trent here today, Trent or.

1970
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 18: Everybody's here, Phili Branson? Uh, yesterday.

1971
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 15: There are enough reps at quarter in practice for the

1972
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 15: quarterbacks to have to compete for the starting job.

1973
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 18: Do you agree with that? Look at the quarterback position.

1974
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 20: You could run four times as many places as we

1975
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 20: run and probably still not have as many rest as

1976
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 20: they wanna have. So all quarterbacks taken go all day,

1977
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,560
Speaker 20: they can take a lot of snaps and they want to.

1978
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 20: Going back to Tom and all the other quartersback backs

1979
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 20: we've had, like they'll take as many snaps as we

1980
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 20: can run.

1981
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 18: I guess from a.

1982
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 3: Coaching perspective, you know, to see a large enough sample

1983
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 3: in practice if you.

1984
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 19: Were picking between multiple options, could you afford those quarterbacks

1985
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 19: up reps to make.

1986
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 18: Everybody needs to be ready to go.

1987
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:20,320
Speaker 20: So what happened in the Dallas game, you know Jones

1988
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 20: went out, the Viato came in. That could happen on

1989
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 20: the first play of the game, could happen on the

1990
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 20: middle of the game. Like, everybody needs to be ready

1991
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 20: to go. That's our job right now. It's a part

1992
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 20: of the teams per play on Sunday. That's all of them,

1993
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 20: not one of them, not two of them, but all

1994
01:30:35,640 --> 01:30:37,960
Speaker 20: the guys, and then the guys who were active. Then

1995
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 20: when they get a chance to play, then hopefully they'll

1996
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 20: play well, I won't coach.

1997
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:43,960
Speaker 3: Well, what are something?

1998
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 18: Well?

1999
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 20: So he came in in the you know, in the

2000
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 20: Dallas game, you know when Jones got hurt. So what

2001
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 20: was that in the middle of the second quarter or

2002
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,599
Speaker 20: something like that. You know, made some good decisions, made

2003
01:30:58,640 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 20: some big plays for him. Just a little bit of

2004
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 20: a lack of experience, but he seems to be pretty

2005
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 20: football savvy. Streets marks, made some key players on third

2006
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 20: down in the right area, and you done a pretty

2007
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 20: good job taking care of the.

2008
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 18: Ball in the fund available for I don't know. We

2009
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 18: started practicing last week, so he is eligible.

2010
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:31,599
Speaker 21: So it goes when someone accidentally threw away the school

2011
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:36,280
Speaker 21: play costumes, Oh no, replacements were shipped with FedEx and

2012
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 21: with picture proof of delivery, everyone could focus on the

2013
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 21: perfect opening night FedEx where now it's next for residential

2014
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 21: delivery only.

2015
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 4: And now great moments in.

2016
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 1: History, Speed writes in he says dolphins are horrible creatures.

2017
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: The male box tracks engage in multi day gang rapes

2018
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: and brutally kill maybe porpoises, and even commit in fantaside

2019
01:32:02,360 --> 01:32:06,120
Speaker 1: against their own young Everyone who opposes such behaviors rooting

2020
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: for the Patriots This Sunday.

2021
01:32:07,560 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 4: Well, I don't oppose that, dude. I loved I love

2022
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 4: this one. We get we get this over. Ye. I

2023
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,200
Speaker 4: never knew any I never knew an. I never knew

2024
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 4: any of it until I.

2025
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 3: Change the name.

2026
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 4: I was thought dolphins were like these gentle creatures who

2027
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 4: used to like it can be very vicious, steer like

2028
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:27,960
Speaker 4: humans out of danger when.

2029
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: You get this dolphin.

2030
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 7: But teacher in sixth grade was actually assaulted swimming with.

2031
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 1: Dolphins and was sexually assaulted by dolphin.

2032
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:38,759
Speaker 4: Wow, dolphins.

2033
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:40,599
Speaker 7: Sorry, Jess, if you're.

2034
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 5: Listening, you know, like you get like the cans of

2035
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,560
Speaker 5: soda or beer for Paul, you know you have like

2036
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 5: the the circles, right, I'm sorry, I just you know,

2037
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 5: the plastic right like that?

2038
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 4: They Yeah, So like you know you're supposed to for

2039
01:32:57,640 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 4: the and I'm going to leave them closed now. So

2040
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,760
Speaker 4: they so one time and Jess was like what are

2041
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 4: you doing? And I was like, oh, like for the dolphins.

2042
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 4: She was like, screwed the dolphins, like they're terrible. I

2043
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 4: had no idea. The PFU almost called the PF W

2044
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 4: on progress.

2045
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:15,720
Speaker 8: P you listeners, all right, I gotta remember this illustrated

2046
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:18,600
Speaker 8: that from twenty my wife huge dolphin fan, has a

2047
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:21,960
Speaker 8: not dolphins dolphin, has a dolphins tattoo.

2048
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 3: Did dolphin research in college.

2049
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 8: She's very dolphiny, and so I'm gonna have her tune

2050
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 8: into this and and give her dolphin opinion.

2051
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,719
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.

2052
01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 9: All Right.

2053
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Patriots Unfiltered. A five to five past

2054
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 1: five hundred is the stick on hotline web radio at

2055
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address. And while we're

2056
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 1: away at break, somebody came back.

2057
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 3: Tom Brady.

2058
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:51,160
Speaker 12: Has has.

2059
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 1: A right Evan. The floor is yours.

2060
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 5: The Patriots serm back at practice post by week with

2061
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:06,680
Speaker 5: perfect attendance.

2062
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:07,839
Speaker 4: Yes perfect.

2063
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 5: That was the most snarky, sarcastic yes I've ever heard.

2064
01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: Uh.

2065
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,839
Speaker 5: So that means that Trent Brown was back at practice,

2066
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 5: and as was time Montgomery back at practice.

2067
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 4: We did have a brief.

2068
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 5: Window into positional drills, brief window that we can discuss,

2069
01:34:27,640 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 5: and there were some things that we saw. I don't

2070
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 5: think I would necessarily glean much from it, Like I'm

2071
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 5: not going to sit here and say that I definitively

2072
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 5: know who's starting on Sunday now. But if you had

2073
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 5: to guess, mac Jones and Bailey Zappi were alternating reps

2074
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 5: in the positional drills that we saw.

2075
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 1: Like not series, but like one play one play.

2076
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,080
Speaker 5: No, So it was so they did change it up

2077
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,400
Speaker 5: a little bit. It was like at first the first

2078
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:57,240
Speaker 5: round it was two throws for Mac, two throws for Zappy.

2079
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,080
Speaker 5: Then it was like fourth throws for Mac, three throws

2080
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 5: form Zappi. Then you know, so they kept on playing

2081
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 5: with the number of reps.

2082
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 4: But I would say that.

2083
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: They feel like they were running the same plays.

2084
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:11,000
Speaker 5: They were, so they were just running routes there was

2085
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,679
Speaker 5: It wasn't a full play gotcha. And I would say

2086
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 5: that the slight lean would have been to Mac Jones

2087
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 5: slight lean. He I think he maybe throw one or

2088
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 5: two more throws and he was leading off that, you know,

2089
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 5: he was the first guy up. But I would if

2090
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 5: I had just to be frank with it, I would

2091
01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 5: say that it was alternating and they're really I wouldn't

2092
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 5: necessarily say that there was any definitive favorite based off

2093
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 5: of that.

2094
01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: Now they know everyone's watching, so obviously who knows what's

2095
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 1: going to happen when the media is gone.

2096
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 5: We did get kicked out for a short period of time,

2097
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 5: which they've been doing more this year. That's not new

2098
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 5: for this week that's been happening a little bit more

2099
01:35:51,880 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 5: so that I would assume would have been during the.

2100
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 4: Celebration of the starting quarterbacks. It was like the lion

2101
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:57,960
Speaker 4: came right.

2102
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 5: Probably more like a walk through situation where that or

2103
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 5: where where the court the starting quarterback was probably taking

2104
01:36:06,520 --> 01:36:09,479
Speaker 5: the first team rep in the walkthrough. They didn't want

2105
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 5: to seeing that, but I think I thought it was interesting.

2106
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 5: Not I Again, I wouldn't pick aside in terms of

2107
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 5: what I saw in terms of Mac and Bailey zappy,

2108
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 5: but it was a two horse race like this. There

2109
01:36:20,320 --> 01:36:23,360
Speaker 5: was no Will Greer, there was no Malee Cunningham. It

2110
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 5: was two guys taking reps and making throws and it

2111
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:27,480
Speaker 5: was Zappy.

2112
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 3: And it was just two guys making reps, making throws,

2113
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 3: trying to win a football game. It's fun.

2114
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 4: Anybody have any thoughts, is it?

2115
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 11: No?

2116
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: I don't.

2117
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:38,880
Speaker 3: I don't either, No, I one thought I did have those.

2118
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 8: Is just I feel like Mac had always really kind

2119
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 8: of had to compete for his job a lot until

2120
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 8: last year, and these last two years he really hasn't

2121
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 8: had that, And I just I wonder if that's part

2122
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:50,040
Speaker 8: of not getting the most out of Mac like when

2123
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 8: Evan Evan's earlier point of you know, nurturing a quarterback,

2124
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 8: trying to do the best, like you know, Mike might

2125
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:58,320
Speaker 8: have some competition brought brought more out of him.

2126
01:36:58,439 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 3: Like last year was kind of like Brian and.

2127
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 8: The drafted ZAPPI nobody thought he was gonna, you know,

2128
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 8: really have any competition for that spot.

2129
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 4: But I don't know, just the thought I had, okay, pads,

2130
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 4: no pads, pads, pads, they were in pads.

2131
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 5: And I would also say so it was a little

2132
01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 5: cold out and not you know, we're already panted enough

2133
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,120
Speaker 5: about the team. In the offense, the amount of drop

2134
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 5: passes that I saw just throwing routes against air was

2135
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 5: was kind of alarming, to the point where Veldscant was like,

2136
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 5: you know, Kishon Booty had one just like like you know,

2137
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 5: like like this like you just did Taekwon Thorton like

2138
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 5: oven mits just like up like this dropped it.

2139
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:43,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was from both quarterbacks.

2140
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 4: For all the quarterbacks they're just not doing well for

2141
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:48,320
Speaker 4: just let them play.

2142
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:50,600
Speaker 5: There was there had to have been like three or

2143
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 5: four drops in like a ten throw sequence, and I

2144
01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,080
Speaker 5: was you do not see that very often on an

2145
01:37:58,200 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 5: NFL field, that guys are dropping like that.

2146
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 8: I have a question, how do you think the offensive

2147
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,960
Speaker 8: line is going to shake out now that Trent's back?

2148
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 8: Riley Reef is you know, potentially going to be activated.

2149
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 8: You've been playing on when you at right tackle, You've

2150
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 8: had some success there, but you're getting some depth back now.

2151
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 8: And you have Connor McDermott too, who you know, really

2152
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:19,439
Speaker 8: was probably going to be the starting right tackle maybe

2153
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 8: before he got hurt in Green Bay.

2154
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 3: So got some choices to make now.

2155
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:24,920
Speaker 8: I feel like, do you guys feel like they might

2156
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 8: mix up that is cold strange potentially? Like do you

2157
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,160
Speaker 8: think maybe Riley Reef moves inside and takes cold Strange

2158
01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:30,639
Speaker 8: as Jos?

2159
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 4: I mean, this is probably impossible, But was McDermott moving

2160
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 4: around because I had been told that he was not

2161
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 4: looking good after the Germany game. Yeah, so he did

2162
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 4: get he tweeked his knee.

2163
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:44,040
Speaker 5: I talked to him briefly in the locker room during

2164
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:46,160
Speaker 5: the bye week day last week, and he said that

2165
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 5: he acknowledged that he tweeked his knee, but he's it

2166
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,000
Speaker 5: seemed like he was.

2167
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 4: He was fine.

2168
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 5: But to your point, Mike, like Riley Reef when he

2169
01:38:56,120 --> 01:39:00,360
Speaker 5: played it was against Saints, right, there's like twenty five naps,

2170
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 5: but it was probably some of the best guard player

2171
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:03,920
Speaker 5: that they've had all season long.

2172
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 4: And you put him in for so or do you

2173
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 4: put him in for Strange?

2174
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,160
Speaker 5: I would put him in for Strange, but you all

2175
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 5: know how I feel about cold Strange.

2176
01:39:13,720 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 3: I just I mean, it's the same stuff with him,

2177
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 3: you know.

2178
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2179
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:18,919
Speaker 1: Do you feel with the weather in the low forties

2180
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,559
Speaker 1: that the media was dressed appropriately grousing?

2181
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:22,599
Speaker 4: Yes?

2182
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 7: And no.

2183
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:26,240
Speaker 5: Some people came out, you know, tough guys.

2184
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 4: Not to name names, but you know, no, no one's

2185
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 4: gonna act.

2186
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 1: You might as well go for six.

2187
01:39:34,600 --> 01:39:37,560
Speaker 5: Woun practically coming out in quarter zips. And then like

2188
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 5: they kicked us out for that initial little period they

2189
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 5: didn't want us there, and and then we get to

2190
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 5: go back and like you could see like, oh, I

2191
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:48,679
Speaker 5: thought I was only coming out here for like yeah,

2192
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 5: So this brings up a.

2193
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,720
Speaker 7: Great question because I literally when I got back so

2194
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 7: for the buy, I went home and it's like seventy

2195
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 7: degrees got back here and it's freezing, and I'm like,

2196
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 7: is it too soon to all out the park? And

2197
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 7: I didn't want to be judged.

2198
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:03,439
Speaker 4: So I brought a jacket.

2199
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 1: It was nineteen degrees last year.

2200
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:08,320
Speaker 4: You can so it's not but I would say yesterday

2201
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 4: and today was not too too warm. But jacket, if

2202
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 4: you pull it out too soon, you can't. There's no adding, right,

2203
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 4: Like that's like the final frontier, like if you new

2204
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:22,559
Speaker 4: England experience, right.

2205
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:26,160
Speaker 5: So and I was like, if you pull out the

2206
01:40:26,280 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 5: goose now then like there's no you can't get anything

2207
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 5: warmer than that.

2208
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 4: I just broke I just broke out the first jacket.

2209
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,280
Speaker 4: Like literally, this this weekend.

2210
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 3: I'm still in the vest. I'm still rocking the vest.

2211
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:38,439
Speaker 4: I don't want to believe that's so that's a big vest.

2212
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 5: Now, that's just puffy down now and a half minute's

2213
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,880
Speaker 5: walking from your car to the office, Like you really

2214
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 5: don't score.

2215
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:50,599
Speaker 8: Text that's you're you're okay to I say the same

2216
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 8: thing to my poor wife who got dragged here from California,

2217
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:54,680
Speaker 8: is just do what you gotta do. Nobody like don't

2218
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:56,960
Speaker 8: be a hero, like just get warm, like you don't

2219
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 8: have to walk around flexing when the shirt on.

2220
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:02,480
Speaker 4: I'm not one of David Andrews and buffalo.

2221
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:09,599
Speaker 1: Ed, writes in Hi guys, California Chapter Patriots fan from

2222
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: mass I'm a hockey alumni from Northeastern. What's the uh

2223
01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:17,679
Speaker 1: ed BANDA uh? Since my sister used to date plunk

2224
01:41:17,720 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 1: It at Stanford. Nice? So maybe just a little bit

2225
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: before your time?

2226
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 4: Wait, wait before.

2227
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 1: So what's your take on the record straight? So what's

2228
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 1: your take on bon Knicks? I know it's far fetched,

2229
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:35,519
Speaker 1: but how about stealing Riley from University of UH? I

2230
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: can't say that in draft Caleb or.

2231
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,680
Speaker 4: Lincoln Riley and Caleb package deal. I think it's the

2232
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:46,760
Speaker 4: the direction that was.

2233
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 3: Going put a little bit of B in there, the

2234
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 3: BIS in there.

2235
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 5: Miss bow Knicks is an interesting player because he has

2236
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 5: some legitimately awful film from.

2237
01:42:00,360 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 4: I was gonna say Auburn inclusive.

2238
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 5: Legitimately awful, like not draftable, but then he gets to

2239
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 5: Oregon and now he's like a Heisman Trophy favorite.

2240
01:42:09,200 --> 01:42:12,439
Speaker 4: You know, So which bow Knicks is the real bow Knicks?

2241
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 4: Is what you're gonna have on your surface? I would say, yeah,

2242
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 4: sec PAC twelve, big difference, but this year the Pac

2243
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,559
Speaker 4: twelve is really good. Yeah, and he's gotten batically since

2244
01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 4: the Pack twelve is no more after this year. Yeah,

2245
01:42:26,479 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of physical tools.

2246
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 5: He can he can run, he's got a big arm,

2247
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:34,519
Speaker 5: but the he's not this like precision pocket passer that's

2248
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,599
Speaker 5: just gonna stand there and make throws all day long.

2249
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:40,560
Speaker 5: But he's gotten a lot better. But at Auburn he

2250
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 5: looked like he was Jared's Todham. So it just which

2251
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:43,840
Speaker 5: one is it?

2252
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know.

2253
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 1: Tough one, Kyle and Pembroke says he has a hypothetical.

2254
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,760
Speaker 1: It's week eighteen. Patriots are two and fourteen. If they lose,

2255
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:55,320
Speaker 1: they secure the number one overall pick. The Jets are

2256
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: playing for the last wildcard spot. However, Belichick announced that

2257
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: after this season he's retiring and the Jets game will

2258
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 1: be as last ever as a coach. As fans of

2259
01:43:04,720 --> 01:43:07,080
Speaker 1: the team, in this situation, would you rather the team

2260
01:43:07,160 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 1: lose to the Jets and secure the number one pick,

2261
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: but have Belichick's last game and but have Belichick's last

2262
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: game be a loss? Or would you want the Patriots

2263
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 1: and Belichick to beat the Jets one last time to

2264
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,719
Speaker 1: eliminate them from playoff contention, but lose the number one.

2265
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 5: Pick, lose the game, lose, lose, lose.

2266
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna shock against win to keep the Jets out

2267
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 4: of the playoffs. Rather, that's so wrong. I know, I

2268
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:35,960
Speaker 4: know ten years of.

2269
01:43:39,600 --> 01:43:39,640
Speaker 11: That.

2270
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 7: But also especially if Aaron Rodgers is back.

2271
01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but to me, you lose lose, I would need

2272
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:49,679
Speaker 4: a little loss anyway. Probably, I would need a little

2273
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:52,760
Speaker 4: more information, just because is it like one or two?

2274
01:43:53,200 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 4: Like win, and it's two lose and its one, then

2275
01:43:56,280 --> 01:43:58,160
Speaker 4: I'd rather win, because what.

2276
01:43:58,200 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 3: If it's one or three?

2277
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 4: That's a big different. I would still lose. No, you

2278
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:04,639
Speaker 4: would want to lose no matter what lose, No matter

2279
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 4: what I lose. I now lose on Sunday.

2280
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: But then the question is, what do you do with

2281
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 1: that first pick?

2282
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 5: Caleb Williams, I don't think he has a question.

2283
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 4: I don't think we're gonna have to wait to lapel

2284
01:44:14,960 --> 01:44:17,680
Speaker 4: twenty five. I'm just saying.

2285
01:44:17,640 --> 01:44:22,479
Speaker 1: Speed is back from open heart surgery, so he's recouping. Uh,

2286
01:44:23,200 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: glad you made it.

2287
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 7: Uh.

2288
01:44:25,120 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Intellectually I get rooting for a loss, and in a vacuum,

2289
01:44:28,240 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: that's truly what I want. But it's really hard to

2290
01:44:30,439 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: stomach watching and actively rooting for the team to lose

2291
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:37,679
Speaker 1: while the game is happening. Significant cognitive dissonance. Some people

2292
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: respond to that inner conflict by becoming intense fans of

2293
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:45,320
Speaker 1: the tank process, maybe maybe tongue in cheek, but maybe sincerely.

2294
01:44:45,600 --> 01:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Others focus more energy on doing a blame pie, yelling

2295
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,400
Speaker 1: at each other on social media, et cetera. I'm more

2296
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: or less just lingering in anticipation of disappointment week in

2297
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:59,240
Speaker 1: and week out, lacking much faith in the vision going forward,

2298
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 1: but also wanted to see sparks of hope for the

2299
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:07,200
Speaker 1: future before glazing over and disassociating when the inevitable gratuitous

2300
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 1: mistakes happen. How do you, guys deal with the inner

2301
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: conflict of simultaneously wanting the Patriots to tank and to win.

2302
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,479
Speaker 1: Maybe it's different working for the team than when you

2303
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:18,120
Speaker 1: were fans.

2304
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:18,920
Speaker 7: It is.

2305
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 1: He makes a good point about when you're watching the game.

2306
01:45:22,160 --> 01:45:23,799
Speaker 4: Oh I root for them to win, all of a sudden,

2307
01:45:23,880 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 4: now you want them to win. Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

2308
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 8: Well I would say that's how I enter the games.

2309
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,599
Speaker 8: And even like when we have locker room or press conferences,

2310
01:45:31,640 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 8: those press conferences in Germany where you just see the

2311
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 8: lighter side of the guys, bills likable and it's like, man,

2312
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:39,519
Speaker 8: I like these guys I hate and then but when

2313
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,840
Speaker 8: I get into the game and they start doing the

2314
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 8: same stupid stuff that they do for the last three years,

2315
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,439
Speaker 8: I get mad and then I'm like, I don't.

2316
01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:48,760
Speaker 4: Want to see I can tell you Deuce was to

2317
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 4: the point he was so angry at the Germany game

2318
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 4: out you know. I don't mean to speak out of school, Mike,

2319
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,000
Speaker 4: but Mike is like as on board as you can be,

2320
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 4: and you were pretty I don't want to say you

2321
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 4: were rooting against them, because you weren't. No, it's just

2322
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 4: you you were completely like ambivalent by the end of

2323
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 4: that game, Like this is of course.

2324
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:11,400
Speaker 8: There's another element too of I have to write during

2325
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 8: the game and I kind of get all my thoughts

2326
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 8: in order, and you're like, are you really going to

2327
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 8: just all of a sudden pull out this crazy upset

2328
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 8: at the end and I have to change everything.

2329
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:23,880
Speaker 9: That's picial you said last minute when like said, like,

2330
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:27,160
Speaker 9: is it different when you were yes, because a lot

2331
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:29,280
Speaker 9: of the emotion gets taken out of it because it's

2332
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,759
Speaker 9: a job, and it is it is a little bit different.

2333
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:33,280
Speaker 8: But so much of it for me is just that

2334
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:35,439
Speaker 8: we've been seeing the same mistakes and I just find

2335
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 8: that as somebody.

2336
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:38,520
Speaker 3: Who watches sports or has played sports, it's frustrating.

2337
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 1: You know.

2338
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,639
Speaker 3: It's like you look up seventeen three, here we are again.

2339
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:44,320
Speaker 4: If they went out on Sunday, I think, and you know,

2340
01:46:44,439 --> 01:46:47,800
Speaker 4: when you know, eight plays seventy five yards touchdown, three

2341
01:46:47,840 --> 01:46:50,080
Speaker 4: and out, eight plays seventy five yards touchdown, I think

2342
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 4: people would look at that and say, wow, this is

2343
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,600
Speaker 4: this is really nice, Like they're playing, well, this is

2344
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 4: the Buffalo game, right yeah, And I think that you

2345
01:46:57,200 --> 01:46:59,679
Speaker 4: can get on board with that. It's funny. Like my friends,

2346
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 4: the one that were sort of advocating for a tackle,

2347
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:06,719
Speaker 4: they were at that game. You know, they're season ticket holders,

2348
01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 4: and they were like, this is awesome. And one of

2349
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:11,680
Speaker 4: them in particular said, it was really awesome right up

2350
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 4: until he threw the touchdown pass with twelve seconds left.

2351
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 4: He goes, it was a thoroughly entertaining game. I loved it.

2352
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:19,560
Speaker 4: The crowd was great the whole game. It was so

2353
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:22,160
Speaker 4: much fun. But in my mind I was like, we

2354
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 4: don't want to win this game at the end.

2355
01:47:24,160 --> 01:47:26,960
Speaker 5: I'm always like for the three hours that the game

2356
01:47:27,120 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 5: is on, and we're usually lucky enough to be at

2357
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 5: the game for the three hours that the game is

2358
01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,519
Speaker 5: going on. I want them to win, like it, that's

2359
01:47:34,600 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 5: just I can't help it, right, you just want them

2360
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 5: to win. But before and after the game the tank

2361
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 5: is on, baby like, and then when they lose and afterwards,

2362
01:47:43,240 --> 01:47:44,960
Speaker 5: like we're flying back from Germany, I'm like, well, they

2363
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:46,720
Speaker 5: have the third pick in the draft now, and like

2364
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,640
Speaker 5: they're pretty good drafts, so you know, the tank thing

2365
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:50,840
Speaker 5: kind of right makes it?

2366
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:55,639
Speaker 1: Greg simply says, please start sappy, bench the other guy. Okay.

2367
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: Cameron from Ashville, North Carolina, what would be the point

2368
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,120
Speaker 1: of Mac coming back out as a starter? Evan said

2369
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:05,200
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago that if Mac was sent

2370
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:08,240
Speaker 1: back out, that would be an indication of the team tanking.

2371
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: Is that still the case?

2372
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 5: I did not say that. I think if I did,

2373
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:11,680
Speaker 5: I didn't mean it.

2374
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,880
Speaker 4: I think I may have said it, okay, and I

2375
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:15,000
Speaker 4: kind of believe it.

2376
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 3: It's I mean.

2377
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Right now, is you know, like right?

2378
01:48:20,160 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 3: But if you're really tanking, wouldn't you put the worst

2379
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:22,800
Speaker 3: guy in?

2380
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 4: And mean, yes, that's why I think that's why. I

2381
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 4: think that's an indication when you take your starting quarterback

2382
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:30,920
Speaker 4: out with less than two minutes left in a one

2383
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,240
Speaker 4: score game. You're telling everybody you don't think that your

2384
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 4: starting quarterback has the best chance of scoring, and then

2385
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 4: you don't play a game in two weeks and you

2386
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:44,600
Speaker 4: just roll him back out there. The other thing I

2387
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:45,759
Speaker 4: wonder about the motive.

2388
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 5: So I remember a few weeks ago you were talking

2389
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 5: to Bill O'Brien and this is I think after the

2390
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 5: Saints game maybe, and someone asked him like, would Mac

2391
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:56,360
Speaker 5: benefit just from sitting just for a few weeks, is

2392
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:59,280
Speaker 5: like kind of a mental reset, And O'Brien and I

2393
01:48:59,320 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 5: think Belichick asked a similar question. They both kind of

2394
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:03,599
Speaker 5: balked at it and said like, that doesn't really it's

2395
01:49:03,640 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 5: the NFL.

2396
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:06,960
Speaker 4: Like, we don't do that. The Falcons just did that.

2397
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:10,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Falcons set Desmond Ridder for what I think

2398
01:49:10,360 --> 01:49:13,439
Speaker 5: it was two games, started Taylor Heineke. Now they're coming

2399
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 5: back off their bye week and Desmond Ridder is the

2400
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 5: starter again, and they just did it because they felt

2401
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 5: like they had to hit pause on Desmond Ridder for

2402
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 5: a second and kind of reset him a little bit.

2403
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 5: And I just wonder that maybe it is the only

2404
01:49:26,439 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 5: ZAPPI for this game, or ZAPI for two games, and

2405
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 5: eventually you do try to go back to Mac. But

2406
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:36,479
Speaker 5: I maybe there is some truth to that working Okay,

2407
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 5: but just to what.

2408
01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 3: End do you go back to Mac?

2409
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:40,760
Speaker 8: I mean, this is a question I'm pondering myself of,

2410
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 8: you know, why why go back to him? Do you think,

2411
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 8: I mean, is there any chance that his career is

2412
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 8: not is still going to continue on after this year?

2413
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 7: No?

2414
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:51,120
Speaker 4: Yes, what I'm saying is I'm not necessarily saying that

2415
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 4: Mac is done forever. I just don't understand how he

2416
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:57,679
Speaker 4: can play this week. Yeah, That's where I was getting.

2417
01:49:57,720 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 4: You benched him three times in ten weeks, including again,

2418
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 4: in my opinion, unprecedented, the two minute drill of a

2419
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:07,040
Speaker 4: four point game.

2420
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 1: And and did Bill did Bill kind of say something

2421
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:15,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't one hundred percent true today? He said something

2422
01:50:16,120 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 1: you know, you know when when Mac got hurt in Dallas.

2423
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 4: And came out No, no, no, no, no, he was talking.

2424
01:50:23,320 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 4: He was talking about the Giants. I was that that

2425
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:30,840
Speaker 4: that game was actually the game before that, right, And

2426
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 4: so he got hurt, Daniel Jones got hurt against the Raves, right.

2427
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:35,680
Speaker 5: So just some of the things that I hear him

2428
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:39,719
Speaker 5: say now, and I'm just like, is he either getting

2429
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:42,280
Speaker 5: old and he's just forgetting things or is he just

2430
01:50:42,439 --> 01:50:42,920
Speaker 5: checked out?

2431
01:50:43,080 --> 01:50:44,160
Speaker 4: Like which one is it?

2432
01:50:44,280 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 1: But of both?

2433
01:50:45,320 --> 01:50:47,800
Speaker 5: He's standing up there and he's like, well, DeVito came

2434
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 5: in the middle of the Dallas came and I was like,

2435
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 5: Divito started.

2436
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:51,720
Speaker 4: I was like, no, he did, and he started the

2437
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:54,000
Speaker 4: Dallas and he said it twice so he didn't misspeak.

2438
01:50:54,520 --> 01:50:56,599
Speaker 4: He said Dallas twice. These things are the one things

2439
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 4: that make me want where where is his head at?

2440
01:50:59,200 --> 01:51:03,920
Speaker 1: I'm like feel with Bill, Yeah, Jamie from Connecticut. With

2441
01:51:03,960 --> 01:51:06,719
Speaker 1: all this talk of taking a quarterback third or fourth

2442
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:08,720
Speaker 1: in the draft, I take May. By the way, I

2443
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: understand you should want the higher pick at this point,

2444
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:13,720
Speaker 1: but I'm still hoping for the team to win every game.

2445
01:51:14,200 --> 01:51:17,200
Speaker 1: I was wondering, what are your thoughts if, by some miracle,

2446
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:21,120
Speaker 1: Max starting quarterback going forward, the offense clicks for the

2447
01:51:21,200 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: last seven games and they win six of them. While

2448
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 1: I do know they haven't shown that they can do that,

2449
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: but what if that does happen? What would you want

2450
01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: to do with Belichick and Mac for next year?

2451
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 4: I'll defer.

2452
01:51:36,360 --> 01:51:37,559
Speaker 3: Just keep them and run it back.

2453
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 5: I think to Mike's point, though, is there a chance

2454
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 5: that like Mac has a career after this, and I

2455
01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:48,479
Speaker 5: think there is and I think Gino Smith and a

2456
01:51:48,520 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 5: little bit Baker Mayfield with Tampa Bay like are kind

2457
01:51:51,080 --> 01:51:53,280
Speaker 5: of proving that are those guys ever going to be

2458
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 5: super Bowl winning quarterbacks?

2459
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:56,120
Speaker 4: No, but they could.

2460
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:58,840
Speaker 5: They're keeping the seat warm for the time being in

2461
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:02,840
Speaker 5: there spots. And I just wonder for Mac if that

2462
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 5: sort of thing, that if he gets put into the

2463
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 5: right situation where he has DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett

2464
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:12,680
Speaker 5: and JSN and he's got all these playmakers around him

2465
01:52:12,720 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 5: and he's just playing football, I think that that could happen.

2466
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 5: And maybe that's why you don't want to completely lose him,

2467
01:52:19,720 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 5: is if that does.

2468
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 8: Mean do you feel like there's any chances here? I

2469
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 8: mean in any capacity even if he were to be

2470
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 8: the veteran backup for a while, I don't.

2471
01:52:27,120 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 7: I don't think he would love being the backup. I

2472
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 7: think it would be very uncomfortable. So I feel like

2473
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:35,760
Speaker 7: he would do, like what Evan just said, if he

2474
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 7: go and goes and bes like a game controller, like

2475
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 7: how he describes Purty and just has the right pieces

2476
01:52:41,240 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 7: around him.

2477
01:52:41,880 --> 01:52:46,879
Speaker 1: I do not like he doesn't like Jeff in Canada's

2478
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:48,920
Speaker 1: in the league. I have a bye week game for

2479
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:53,360
Speaker 1: you with corny category names. It's called ranking the GM Blunders.

2480
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 1: It's going to be tough, But which of these is

2481
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,680
Speaker 1: worse for each category? The first category tight ends with

2482
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 1: sense John O Smith or Mikeasiki, which was worse?

2483
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:05,880
Speaker 8: Uh John new because I think we were sold as

2484
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 8: as the contract and being a big Piecesiki was a

2485
01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 8: one good point one year.

2486
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 4: Okay, I think I think Johno at least could block.

2487
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:16,240
Speaker 4: But Mike Evan makes a good point about the contract

2488
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 4: you paid him real.

2489
01:53:17,080 --> 01:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Monchy way too wide receivers Harry or Thornton. Biggest blunder

2490
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:22,439
Speaker 1: Nikhil Harry.

2491
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 5: Timing of it is well, yeah, that's the.

2492
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,639
Speaker 3: First rounder, but they're still both reaches.

2493
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:29,280
Speaker 4: Yeah that's a that's a dead heat to me. But yeah,

2494
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 4: I think the repercussions of of Harry were worse.

2495
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 1: You too old and slow, Snu or Juju?

2496
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 5: Oh boy, I would say Juju is worse.

2497
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:46,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Sono was a desperation mid season trade

2498
01:53:46,240 --> 01:53:46,640
Speaker 1: that they had.

2499
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that one had their right intentions

2500
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:55,880
Speaker 5: of adding a piece at that deadline, but it just

2501
01:53:55,960 --> 01:53:56,599
Speaker 5: didn't work out.

2502
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 4: Whereas Juju, you were relying on Juju. Yeah, they weren't

2503
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:02,120
Speaker 4: relying on Sonuda resurre ones.

2504
01:54:02,280 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 1: Ones that got away. Myers are Tony, I say Tony, Yeah, I.

2505
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 4: Would say Myers, but Tony is a better player to.

2506
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 1: Me that how they treat, how they handle Tony was

2507
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:17,880
Speaker 1: a domino effect for this offensive line and was still

2508
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: dealing with it.

2509
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:21,839
Speaker 5: Jack Mason two is playing out of his mind for Houston.

2510
01:54:22,760 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 1: First round? Oh out of line?

2511
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:27,519
Speaker 11: Uh?

2512
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 1: Cole Strange or Isaiah Win?

2513
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:33,800
Speaker 4: Oh Strange Isaiah Isaiah Win was far more productive.

2514
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:43,080
Speaker 1: Ye the QB palindrome problem? Cam or Mac? I?

2515
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,280
Speaker 8: Cam? I mean, I mean I think Mac was you know,

2516
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 8: you got him about where he was supposed to go.

2517
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 8: He was you needed a quarterback, like you know, Cam,

2518
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 8: I think in retrospect we probably would have done paulse thing.

2519
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:55,839
Speaker 4: Like just see what happens with Steam and Mac fifteenth

2520
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 4: pick of the draft. Right, that's yeah, you're hoping that

2521
01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,240
Speaker 4: you're okay. Here go. It's like Red r back when

2522
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:03,200
Speaker 4: they got Larry Bird made a couple of these moves

2523
01:55:03,200 --> 01:55:04,200
Speaker 4: and we're right back in there.

2524
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:10,360
Speaker 1: Uh and finally second basket secondary that hoops secondary round thoughts,

2525
01:55:11,320 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: Rose Eye Dowling, Juwan Williams Duke Dawson, Cyrus Jones to

2526
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: Von Wilson or Jordan Richards.

2527
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:19,640
Speaker 4: It was worse out of all those.

2528
01:55:22,440 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 18: Yeah.

2529
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 4: Duke Dawson never played a snap for you. Yeah, all

2530
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:30,440
Speaker 4: those other guys I think at least played for you.

2531
01:55:30,680 --> 01:55:34,120
Speaker 5: Not well, Jordan Richards might out of all their reaches,

2532
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 5: might be their biggest all time reach. So that one

2533
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 5: just as a draft and they came back.

2534
01:55:38,920 --> 01:55:40,640
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen. Wasn't he even back? He came back

2535
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:41,480
Speaker 3: for a little bit, remember that?

2536
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2537
01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 5: I remember him in the Eagles Super Bowl trying to cover.

2538
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:46,360
Speaker 4: He looked like he had shoulder pads underneath his shoulders,

2539
01:55:47,480 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 4: the biggest shoulders, and not in a good way.

2540
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 1: Good news, you all win because there are no wrong answers.

2541
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: They're all blunders. Uh stack blunders call them.

2542
01:55:57,560 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 3: That's hard to it's hard to really split the hairs

2543
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:03,240
Speaker 3: on some of those ones that are just really bad misses.

2544
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:08,839
Speaker 1: Stefan from Trinidad and Tobago. Isn't Marvin Harrison Junior exactly

2545
01:56:08,920 --> 01:56:11,240
Speaker 1: what we need? I've heard it said that Max struggles

2546
01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: are mostly due to lack of talent in the wide

2547
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:14,960
Speaker 1: receiver position.

2548
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 4: And protection though and Mac and a lack of running

2549
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:21,280
Speaker 4: game and a lack of talent and changing coordinators.

2550
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 5: And a lack of tools and not a good quarterback and.

2551
01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 4: The defense not being able to shut everybody out in

2552
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:26,200
Speaker 4: the special.

2553
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 1: Team and three coordinators in three years.

2554
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:28,400
Speaker 4: I already said that.

2555
01:56:30,800 --> 01:56:32,520
Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

2556
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 12: Hey, guys, how are you doing all right? I just

2557
01:56:36,360 --> 01:56:38,480
Speaker 12: want to say that mister Kersh and mister Paul did

2558
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:41,320
Speaker 12: a good job. I listened to Paul on the Six

2559
01:56:41,480 --> 01:56:44,840
Speaker 12: Rings podcast, and damn he still has got Andy's number.

2560
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 12: So it's pretty good, pretty.

2561
01:56:46,560 --> 01:56:46,960
Speaker 15: Good to hear.

2562
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:52,480
Speaker 1: Now do you think that.

2563
01:56:54,040 --> 01:56:57,600
Speaker 12: Do you think that Bill Belichick might be expected to

2564
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 12: do more with less because of his contract? He said

2565
01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:04,600
Speaker 12: he's the highest state coach anywhere. Is there an expectation like, look,

2566
01:57:04,680 --> 01:57:05,360
Speaker 12: we're gonna get what.

2567
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:07,000
Speaker 14: You can and you got to make it worse.

2568
01:57:07,080 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 1: I think there might be a little of that, Yeah,

2569
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:09,600
Speaker 1: I do.

2570
01:57:09,880 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 8: I was wondering.

2571
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: Yep, I think I think that, Yep, that could be.

2572
01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 1: That could be true. You know, I'm paying you.

2573
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:18,840
Speaker 4: You guys have to fill me in.

2574
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:20,040
Speaker 18: Sorry.

2575
01:57:21,040 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 5: I if that's I understand the line of thinking. But

2576
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:27,520
Speaker 5: if that's the way that they're that's the truth, then

2577
01:57:27,640 --> 01:57:30,720
Speaker 5: that is not a very good wave of well operating.

2578
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,480
Speaker 1: Well, you're focused on players, but what if it's also

2579
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:36,600
Speaker 1: extends to coaches, like you can't bring in high price coach?

2580
01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 5: Just in general, I just I think that that totally

2581
01:57:39,680 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 5: ignores the fact that the most important thing is the

2582
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 5: players on the.

2583
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:47,440
Speaker 4: Field and winning. Yeah, right, sure shouldn't that be the goal?

2584
01:57:47,640 --> 01:57:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah? Finally, last one, we gotta go. Trey Trent writes

2585
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,480
Speaker 1: in Does the Cowboys induction of Jimmy Johnson into the

2586
01:57:55,600 --> 01:57:58,400
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor mean anything to the Bill to Dallas?

2587
01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 1: Rumors Bill and Jimmy are good friend and maybe smoothing

2588
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:04,200
Speaker 1: that relationship over was the first step in luring Bill

2589
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:04,839
Speaker 1: to Texas?

2590
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:08,600
Speaker 4: Probably not, But I love the thought that that's I

2591
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 4: love the tie in.

2592
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:11,000
Speaker 5: That's a Boston sports rate.

2593
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:12,960
Speaker 3: Why did it take so long? Was there that blood between?

2594
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:16,600
Speaker 4: There was the way? Oh between Jimmy John Jimmy John.

2595
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:19,720
Speaker 1: Jerry didn't like it because Jimmy was getting the credit, right.

2596
01:58:19,640 --> 01:58:21,880
Speaker 3: But like thirty years ago, like, is that that was

2597
01:58:22,080 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 3: you met Jerry Joe problem?

2598
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 8: I mean, like figuratively, I just figured Jimmy Johnson has

2599
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:28,880
Speaker 8: been back in the media for so long that usually

2600
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 8: those things kind of get he also said.

2601
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,400
Speaker 5: He also said nineteen twenty three, which was hilarious.

2602
01:58:33,400 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: I used to do that.

2603
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:34,480
Speaker 8: I did.

2604
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:40,600
Speaker 1: All right, Well, listen, we'll be back tomorrow. Wednesday. It's

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Speaker 1: like a Thursday, right, picks.

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Speaker 4: Like a Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So then what's Friday, Like Friday is like a Friday.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Friday is so the two fridays.

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Speaker 4: There's two fridays.

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Speaker 1: Very confused, well by the yeah, no, by the way,

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Speaker 1: speaking and confused.

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Speaker 4: This today it's like a Wednesday, and tomorrow is like

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Speaker 4: a Thursday. Correct, There is no Thursday this week. Thanks,

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Speaker 4: Friday's Friday.

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Speaker 1: So they're not going to practice on Thursday.

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Speaker 4: They might do something, but okay, no, that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: That's why they were in pads today in season.

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Speaker 1: Tournament for the NBA. Very confusing, as well as the

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Speaker 1: court in Toronto. I couldn't even tell where the players were.

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Speaker 1: It was awful.

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Speaker 4: It's awful to look at it for the Jalen Brown

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Speaker 4: like strained is groin on the damn court? Sick?

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Speaker 5: Thanks for that, And uh, the format makes zero sense.

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Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent right. I can't explain it to you.

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Speaker 5: It makes no sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: All right, We'll be back tomorrow at noon and see

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Speaker 1: you then.

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