Speaker 1: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 1: Sealers Podcast with your hosts now fuck that with your
Speaker 1: load glasses Malone. Now, what know what happened is Quiz
Speaker 1: had put out an album. Yep, so it's like this
Speaker 1: doomie you feel me like like we get thirty thousty
Speaker 1: thousand down loads a week or whatever it is. Quiz
Speaker 1: put out an album that makes sense right to make
Speaker 1: sure that we do a podcast.
Speaker 2: With Quiz without a doubt.
Speaker 3: So it makes sense to me, right.
Speaker 1: And then Monday, Wednesday and Friday, the live Lunch album
Speaker 1: was to help digital soapbox.
Speaker 3: What are you squinting that? Bro?
Speaker 2: So? No, I'm looking at something. I'm trying to see
Speaker 2: something right there?
Speaker 3: You know a computer.
Speaker 4: Screen that's two feet in front of your face?
Speaker 2: Did you know we could do this in four K?
Speaker 2: We wanted to.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that's tight though.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see. I'm gonna try to put it up
Speaker 2: on there is your I don't know. Peter's thing might start.
Speaker 4: It's cool. The higher the K the older I look,
Speaker 4: so let's keep it going.
Speaker 1: So it's just mandatory you bring queiers on the pot.
Speaker 1: That just makes sense, Like you use your platforms to
Speaker 1: help your people. Like you, you don't really do that
Speaker 1: for your people still, but this is how poor people.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do that for my people all
Speaker 2: the time. I always always mentioned people.
Speaker 1: Still still on, still on everything, still poor as nigga,
Speaker 1: help yourself.
Speaker 3: You pull yourself up by your bootstrap.
Speaker 2: No, man, Shoot, I got so much man, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna tell you something. Man, the older you get,
Speaker 2: the more you realize, man, that the men get treated
Speaker 2: like the worst ship in the world. Dog, So you
Speaker 2: ain't got if you don't have nothing going on though
Speaker 2: as a man, as a man, if you don't have
Speaker 2: no motherfucker monetary value, dog, you ain't ship.
Speaker 5: He still, I've been on you since, like for a
Speaker 5: long time. You've been saying that that you was like
Speaker 5: thirty five, bro, and it was just the truth.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 3: It's the truth.
Speaker 2: If you if you don't have no money, though, you're
Speaker 2: not worth grain of salt.
Speaker 3: I agree. Do you want to be loved broken?
Speaker 2: Man? I think you're supposed to be loved unconditionally? Bro?
Speaker 3: Why do you think that?
Speaker 2: Because I just think so, Bro, I love people unconditionally. No,
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 3: If he was broke would you love yourself? Still hold up?
Speaker 2: That's a lot. No, you don't. I do love people unconditionally.
Speaker 3: No you don't.
Speaker 2: Yes I do. I love my kids unconditionally.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 2: How you figure that? You? How you figure that love
Speaker 2: people condition?
Speaker 3: Your old lady was to give you no vagina, you
Speaker 3: wouldn't love her?
Speaker 2: Yes I would. I'm gonna tell you that's not the.
Speaker 4: Want that no more.
Speaker 6: Remember remember in Merrivath's Children, al Bun used to complain
Speaker 6: having sex with the wife, sex.
Speaker 3: With the wife.
Speaker 2: You know what, man, I don't think people complain about that.
Speaker 2: I used to think that people men have this. I
Speaker 2: think everybody's trying to use each other. Everybody just want
Speaker 2: to use somebody though everybody getting used.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, yeah, I saw the video with the
Speaker 1: Little White Man you saw yesterday, and he was talking
Speaker 1: about how people want to be no, no, not you.
Speaker 3: He definitely wasn't players. He's not player as you bro.
Speaker 1: He was complaining that he felt useless at the time
Speaker 1: and women could make you feel useless. And it's like,
Speaker 1: still just be mad because his old lady expect him to.
Speaker 3: Do the same thing. He been doing it for thirty years.
Speaker 3: What he signed up to do like his job description.
Speaker 1: I told Still this, and he got to this argument
Speaker 1: with me. I say, bro, you marry a woman when
Speaker 1: you decide you want to take care of that woman forever.
Speaker 1: If that ain't your reason for getting married. If you
Speaker 1: married somebody because you want them to take care of you,
Speaker 1: you got married for.
Speaker 3: The wrong reason.
Speaker 4: That's why women celeb wedding and not the man.
Speaker 2: Exactly. See the thing a woman dog. You can't expect
Speaker 2: woman to take care of you like a man should expect.
Speaker 2: Never expect the woman to take care of him though.
Speaker 4: That's just not hardly expect to come back home from
Speaker 4: the grocery store.
Speaker 2: It's not manly, brother, expect the woman to take care
Speaker 2: of you. You feel what I'm saying. But I think
Speaker 2: men have been getting the short end of the stick
Speaker 2: man for the last hundred two hundred years. Ever since
Speaker 2: they invented the job. No, ever since they started just
Speaker 2: came on a planet, the man got to go hunting,
Speaker 2: he might not come home.
Speaker 3: They admitted the job two hundred years ago.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, ever since the job got offended the door,
Speaker 2: the man been getting the short end of the fucking stick.
Speaker 5: I mean, but like, what about you gave a woman
Speaker 5: a job before you, before you knew what the requirements were.
Speaker 2: You know what? That might be true, though, you know
Speaker 2: what I think? Man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yet, hold up, still listen. I'll be honest. I
Speaker 1: won't even joke. Look, in a perfect world, women will
Speaker 1: just love you no matter what you got. But did
Speaker 1: he's in jail for racketeering.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of ship that starts with in a
Speaker 4: perfect world.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, did he's in jail for racketeering by himself.
Speaker 1: Obviously he's his own organization. I even got my dad
Speaker 1: to laugh at that.
Speaker 2: You know. Can you just picture this man's flight right now?
Speaker 2: Old Dog. Just a couple of months ago, he was
Speaker 2: on a fucking boat, like on the big ass yacht, Dog,
Speaker 2: just doing his thing, just eating whatever he wanted to do. Dog.
Speaker 2: Now he's in the cell.
Speaker 4: This is what happened. If you have enough money to
Speaker 4: be on a.
Speaker 6: Boat, stay on the fucking boat, dog.
Speaker 2: As soon as and I'm pretty sure he heard rumors
Speaker 2: that he's coming down the pike. I don't know why
Speaker 2: he funk.
Speaker 3: Would you get off a boat, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I took that boat. Drink the bomb Brazil Some fucking wear.
Speaker 2: And there's never got off and had somebody wire me.
Speaker 2: He making all that money, wire me a hundred million,
Speaker 2: and i'mnock them back for ten or fifteen years.
Speaker 4: You just have your ear at International waters.
Speaker 6: Just send people out on on on the tenders to
Speaker 6: go get supplies and come back.
Speaker 4: You can even bring bitches back out of the boat.
Speaker 4: Who cares the boat?
Speaker 2: I think, Peter, you over there drinking what you're drinking? Man?
Speaker 6: Oh, this is the Martinez. I invented it. The vodka
Speaker 6: Martini is the en vogue. You know, drink the jour
Speaker 6: in a lot of cirtcles these days. I'm in Miami.
Speaker 6: I know vodka martinis. I do Cubans calling dark.
Speaker 4: Rum, shaking and poured.
Speaker 6: It's the Martinez. It's the Martini and Espanol delicious, delicious.
Speaker 3: You never had.
Speaker 4: I've never had somebody complaining.
Speaker 5: No, you you you and Miami. You're talking about chicks
Speaker 5: and Long Beach. You tripped me.
Speaker 3: Oh they got him down here to well, I know
Speaker 3: that's my point.
Speaker 4: They got they got more of them that.
Speaker 3: We ain't got nothing on it on Miami.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 6: But I'm just saying in of l A County, you
Speaker 6: hated Miami. When you're here still we're talking about because.
Speaker 2: It's expensive as hell.
Speaker 5: Dog.
Speaker 2: They put a service charge on every damn thing. I
Speaker 2: went to a red I went to a donut shop. Bro,
Speaker 2: dollars a ten dollars service charge some donuts.
Speaker 3: Why you get why are you getting donuts in Miami?
Speaker 2: Because they they had donuts with like the whipped cream.
Speaker 3: And you went to see if you go to Miami Beach.
Speaker 6: That's where counters off out of the girls and they
Speaker 6: go and they gouged you with the with the autograph
Speaker 6: for anything.
Speaker 2: I went to what's the little homely name down there,
Speaker 2: the little red looking dude, what's a little rapper name,
Speaker 2: Kodak Blake. I went to his shop, Dog. It was
Speaker 2: actually pretty funny.
Speaker 4: Oh, the the clothing store.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I asked the dude that was working there, I said,
Speaker 2: does he ever come in here? He said, yeah, he
Speaker 2: comes in.
Speaker 4: I go to the strip club on the other side
Speaker 4: of the wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know what's funny about this store, Dog, Bro,
Speaker 2: his story smelled like weed.
Speaker 4: I'm sure does. That's not that is not surprising to me.
Speaker 3: I imagine Kodak Black said he suber.
Speaker 2: Now though, Bro, that's good for him.
Speaker 3: But he don't work there. I don't have to work there.
Speaker 2: He might be he might be. Dog. I hope he was, Dog,
Speaker 2: I really hope, because he had sobriety. Dog, because I
Speaker 2: think I think drugs are ruining our community right now. Dog.
Speaker 2: Not to be not not not being facetious either. Drugs
Speaker 2: are ruining the black community. Dog have been ruining the
Speaker 2: black community. Alcohol alcohol. We Yeah, seriously, Dog, he you
Speaker 2: were about right.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that as a joke.
Speaker 6: I'm saying like to me rhetorically speaking, there's always this
Speaker 6: talk about like the nineteen eighties and crack and shit
Speaker 6: like that. There was an enormous number of vets that
Speaker 6: came back from Vietnam and then and outside of La Heroin,
Speaker 6: the community got, yes, just ravaged by Heroin for show up.
Speaker 2: I remember it when I lived in Cleveland. See, I
Speaker 2: remember we stayed in this apartment building and in the
Speaker 2: back you would see needles just all in the ground here.
Speaker 2: One was so big in Cleveland, though, just needles everywhere.
Speaker 1: Dude, no ceilings, yel my man, Peter bars in the house.
Speaker 1: I got my big brother Stell and I got my
Speaker 1: little brother quiz Man.
Speaker 2: Quiz.
Speaker 1: What was having y'all clap for quiz man Like y'all
Speaker 1: got some class man clapping quiz got a new project out.
Speaker 3: What's the name of it?
Speaker 1: Quiz project is called Grateful Grateful. Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: I'm on the project, So y'all check that out on Spotify.
Speaker 1: We was having a dope rap conversation. I'm like, hold
Speaker 1: that for the pot. You don't got to be like
Speaker 1: you know, you don't got to be We could talk
Speaker 1: about it with it being, with it having taste's still
Speaker 1: start playing.
Speaker 3: We got loan to find that. Uh did you hear that?
Speaker 2: Yes? You heard it? Yeah, we heard it. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to do the applause thing. I was trying to see
Speaker 2: if we have the end of the plow. Let me see.
Speaker 2: I want to get it.
Speaker 4: We need a we need a professional soundboard.
Speaker 2: Did you hear Did you hear that right there? No?
Speaker 3: Hey, still you sound like a tyler with a new toy.
Speaker 2: Did you get this right here? This?
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't hear it. I heard that. Yes, I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, stop it. Yes we heard it.
Speaker 2: Years right there.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're making it the story I.
Speaker 2: Wish I want to I wanted to do the third
Speaker 2: Little Horns.
Speaker 3: We heard that, we got that, We got on.
Speaker 2: Better with you on it.
Speaker 1: This version of you is so much better than the
Speaker 1: version that's on Gangs the Chronicles.
Speaker 2: Well, i've been letting my my personality bleed over a
Speaker 2: little bit. You know, it ain't been on the show. Dog,
Speaker 2: I've been over there a while because you've been.
Speaker 3: On the Chronicles. Andre turning into a professional hose like
Speaker 3: not Robert Walters.
Speaker 2: Bro one more time for Homie.
Speaker 1: Y'all hear that, Yes, we heard it, So y'all hear that.
Speaker 1: Please stop you quiz, please stop.
Speaker 6: Just just just mut I'm.
Speaker 2: Gon to put that right here, right by me. Dog,
Speaker 2: just hit the button random, she says something funny left.
Speaker 3: Still, you don't have to make it yourself.
Speaker 2: After I'm gonna move one actual thing up here on
Speaker 2: the thing. So when I hear it, y'all can't tell.
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, you have one a really dope conversation. And
Speaker 1: I said, hold it for the pod and we're talking
Speaker 1: about ice cube. And it's funny because me and Still
Speaker 1: have had this conversation off air and he was talking
Speaker 1: about cubes kind of what almost looks like three separate careers,
Speaker 1: right and he was talking about his third part and
Speaker 1: he's saying he kind of started to get questionable in
Speaker 1: his eyes, when obviously he got to the third period, right,
Speaker 1: which was we be clubbing the Yay yay put those versions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I get it because Stretch said the same thing
Speaker 1: to me. But what I've learned being in the music business,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't want to come across all
Speaker 1: music businesses. But what I really realized, bro, was what's
Speaker 1: dope for him is right, you start off as n
Speaker 1: W as his writer, like everything is the lines you writing,
Speaker 1: right then obviously that's that first era where the Chuck
Speaker 1: d era and he came in and and he was
Speaker 1: writing and saying the hardest stuff. But the reason I
Speaker 1: think that's more a testament to how great of an
Speaker 1: MC is and a hip hop legend and and just
Speaker 1: a fantastic artist. His songwriting got crazy, Like think about it, right,
Speaker 1: Like initially you said he was like jay.
Speaker 3: Z before that.
Speaker 1: Jay Z never evolved into forgive Me Whole, because I
Speaker 1: know you listen to the podcast, but he never turned
Speaker 1: into the same songwriter ice Cube turn into. Remember, so
Speaker 1: ice Cube started as an MC that needed other people
Speaker 1: to do hooks on hit records to where he got
Speaker 1: so controlled with his songwriting, his record writing ability. Those
Speaker 1: songs are top twenty songs and he's on the chorus.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: He was just a fake Tupac with and all that
Speaker 2: stuff and no, but that's the bugs like them, dude.
Speaker 5: I mean, but I know, like the sound, the sound
Speaker 5: was changing, things were shifting, and he found his way
Speaker 5: to implement himself.
Speaker 3: And songwriting can be a big corny.
Speaker 1: I think that if you really think about it, still
Speaker 1: think about some of the greatest records wrote.
Speaker 5: But I'm a fan of MCS. So that's why, like.
Speaker 4: You're gonna critique like Snoop Dogg for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was hard. It was this was hard.
Speaker 4: It was a deviation from his his typical sound.
Speaker 5: But Snoop was never like a like a prolific writer
Speaker 5: like ice Cube Boy was, well.
Speaker 1: Noime, but they do something different. See, And I think
Speaker 1: when we hear rapper, we think writer. That's something I
Speaker 1: trip off of. That's not really what a rapper means.
Speaker 1: It's the connotation, but it's not like I think we
Speaker 1: fancied Cube and certain people as writers versus Snoop, who
Speaker 1: is actually just a superb rapper.
Speaker 6: I think wearate the terms writer and composer. Rapper's gonna
Speaker 6: write their lyrics, but you compose the piece or something
Speaker 6: like something that's.
Speaker 1: A little deeper. That's a little deeper. But let's back
Speaker 1: up before we go from there. Q Snoop has always
Speaker 1: been an incredible rapper. Now, if you question how great
Speaker 1: he writes or the things he's writing, that's a different
Speaker 1: conversation because that's where to me, the jay Z's, the
Speaker 1: nas and different people stand out as writers. When you
Speaker 1: hear the things they're writing, you like, oh these things
Speaker 1: to me and to me, not everybody has that talent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So when Q moved away, when Q moved away.
Speaker 5: From displaying his talent in that way, that's where like
Speaker 5: it gets a little tricky for me.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the genius of it, right, because
Speaker 1: if you really think about it, from nineteen eighty eight, Well,
Speaker 1: boys in the Livele came out in eighty seven to
Speaker 1: be able to carry a career for eleven years on
Speaker 1: your own pen and then you're writing your hit records
Speaker 1: at the end of that eleven twelve year run, Like,
Speaker 1: what's crazy?
Speaker 3: It's my favorite Cube album?
Speaker 4: Is uh?
Speaker 2: The War album?
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily America Death Certificate lethough predator. I feel
Speaker 1: like as a songwriter and as an MC, he was
Speaker 1: at his his apex, his greatest by the time he
Speaker 1: became a much better songwriter to go with the M
Speaker 1: sing Now, I agree with you. I think as you
Speaker 1: become because I go through this now, as I become
Speaker 1: a much better record writer, you kind of leave M
Speaker 1: seeing IM seeing. I don't want to say leave it.
Speaker 1: That's not the right word. It's not as imperative because
Speaker 1: it's more about the composition of the whole record versus
Speaker 1: where if you j you really don't let me wrong,
Speaker 1: because I do think Jay writes some of the singing
Speaker 1: parts for some people, but for the most part he's
Speaker 1: taken like he didn't write Empire State of Mind.
Speaker 3: He just had the m C.
Speaker 2: The verses, They've been a lot of stuff too.
Speaker 4: There's certainly.
Speaker 3: I don't like.
Speaker 7: I don't like thet I know, I personally don't like
Speaker 7: when the MC starts leaving the MC part. Well, I
Speaker 7: personally don't like that.
Speaker 3: No, No, I get it.
Speaker 6: There's a natural like there's there's a point of diminishing
Speaker 6: returns where stuff becomes too lyrics centric to be.
Speaker 4: Matt to get mass like audience.
Speaker 3: You know, I just understand you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know, you know who that is. That's Bob Dylan.
Speaker 1: Like Bob Dylan is regarded as one of the greatest writers,
Speaker 1: but he don't got the best records.
Speaker 4: No everybody else who does his songs after him.
Speaker 1: You know what, the greatest rutterer of all time though,
Speaker 1: And I think that's where as when we talk. So
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying with Q, so I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it from MC because you are like a
Speaker 1: I'm a Pio pair amount MC like you are. That
Speaker 1: is your ship you leave with them seeing But because
Speaker 1: of our business.
Speaker 3: Our job is still to make records that the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you who started his career very
Speaker 1: much like a top tier MC without a ton of
Speaker 1: like you know, he ain't like us.
Speaker 3: We have the benefit of ice, Q jay.
Speaker 1: Z, Tupac Star, and we got hundreds of rappers. By
Speaker 1: the time me and you start rapping, there's hundreds of
Speaker 1: guys we could take up. If you were in eighty seven. Shit,
Speaker 1: it's melly mail about ten people, Like, how do you
Speaker 1: form a staff like stealing them era? How do you
Speaker 1: form a style just listening to the blow that was his.
Speaker 5: Name homeboy from like from Condon to Paramount and the
Speaker 5: girl you was day.
Speaker 3: That at the time, she was like, he's not like
Speaker 3: a Paul Paul. Oh yeah, what's his name? I forgot?
Speaker 3: He was cool though, Yeah, he was cool.
Speaker 1: But think about it, if you came inque like like Snoop,
Speaker 1: like like Snoop Steal q Day. All them dudes born
Speaker 1: between sixty eight and seventy three, they didn't have no
Speaker 1: rappers to really look up too. They might have had
Speaker 1: seven gods. They probably heard Melly Mail and was blown
Speaker 1: away listening to this Melly Mail That Melley Mail guy
Speaker 1: is incredible.
Speaker 5: Us scar Face before scar Face Mellen's nineteen, I'm saying
Speaker 5: before Scarface.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they about the same, about the same, I'd be
Speaker 6: willing to bet they was, like I heard.
Speaker 3: About the same time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, like like like that's the crazy part still,
Speaker 1: Like when you was fifteen in eighty five, who did
Speaker 1: you look up to?
Speaker 3: Who was the dopest? And King wasn't not ninety five,
Speaker 3: You're damn lie.
Speaker 2: King was five. See, I'm gonna tell you right up, Wayne.
Speaker 3: He wasn't eighty five.
Speaker 6: I mean still was fifteen, right around Lionel Richard's first album.
Speaker 3: Right Hill, No, you couldn't think, probably about closer to
Speaker 3: the same thing. The Commodore is in the seventies. A
Speaker 3: lot of rich he ain't to the eighties.
Speaker 4: Still in the seventies and seventies, sixties, baby sixties, bab.
Speaker 3: No, Okay.
Speaker 2: Big Daddy came to begin his career in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 2: so I was sixteen, So.
Speaker 3: I said, who did you look up to it?
Speaker 1: That's why I specifically named the year, because I know
Speaker 1: when Caine, I know when did L eighty four, and
Speaker 1: he and they.
Speaker 2: Probably I'm for sure, was looking up the El Cool
Speaker 2: J around that time.
Speaker 1: LA was the hardest thing you heard in nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 1: he was, He was the hardest one year.
Speaker 2: No, but I like but l L had a little
Speaker 2: bit more Twain to him than Millie Mail, and I
Speaker 2: didn't like White Lions and all that. Like I didn't
Speaker 2: understand that song about eighty six eighty.
Speaker 3: Seven they all about so run DMC eighty three.
Speaker 2: I didn't really start getting heroes and rapped dog till
Speaker 2: about like the Cold chilling Erra too, like Cool wrapped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's your boy. That's Molly Mas. So you
Speaker 3: lean in the Beastie Boys. They have boys boys too.
Speaker 1: The Beastie Boys is a hard so no, but but
Speaker 1: if you think about that's my point. So like we
Speaker 1: had all these MC's to kind of really learn from
Speaker 1: a coin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's doing. We had we had little one off.
Speaker 3: People like like you just here.
Speaker 2: It was so new you would hear like a random
Speaker 2: dude that'd be hard, right, Like we had a rapper
Speaker 2: in Cleveland named Coach Sheks. He was around Melly Male's time.
Speaker 2: I think Coaches is better than Melle Mail, but he
Speaker 2: just never went nowhere.
Speaker 1: So again, like if you think about it, right, the
Speaker 1: Sugar Hills song is at seventy nine.
Speaker 3: When's third base, that's nineties. Third base is nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's like late eighties early nineties.
Speaker 1: Maybe Okay, no, because if you think of eighty five, right,
Speaker 1: you only have ll depth Jam's first Shawnee.
Speaker 3: So that's that came out in eighty four.
Speaker 1: Radio comes out in eighty four, which is dope because
Speaker 1: he just dropped the album forty years later this year. Right,
Speaker 1: then you had before that, you have Melly Mail. That's
Speaker 1: Grandmaster five and your Grandma's flashing. The Fierce five male
Speaker 1: was like eighty three, so he was around mo d
Speaker 1: was a part of the Treachers three, but they wasn't
Speaker 1: really tripping off mode.
Speaker 3: They didn't really respect the Fat Boys the correct way.
Speaker 3: To me, they just didn't. They didn't look up to
Speaker 3: rappers how we did.
Speaker 1: Where we could hear and be like, like I could
Speaker 1: love a scar face even before I wanted to be
Speaker 1: a rapper or Cube or Snoop or Drea. We had
Speaker 1: a thousand of them. They didn't have nobody but sixteple.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say this, the Fat Boy's dog before
Speaker 2: they start making the movies and Stuffy album was banging
Speaker 2: in the hood dog with in jail without the bell
Speaker 2: and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you didn't want to be the fat boys.
Speaker 2: Man who wanted to be you know what? But they
Speaker 2: was harding. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's the point I'm saying is like we so
Speaker 1: like when I back to the point when I look
Speaker 1: at somebody like you, I look at that differently.
Speaker 3: Like I get what you're saying, because his style did change.
Speaker 1: But I think it evolved into a better place as
Speaker 1: a songwriter like he evolved to last because like when
Speaker 1: Q first came, bro like, hip hop wasn't really topping
Speaker 1: the charts consistently, Like you know, Will Smith and them,
Speaker 1: Jack Jeff and Prince did well. LL kind of did well.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was a couple of people Hammer did well.
Speaker 1: But hip hop didn't have a main stay on a chart.
Speaker 1: So if you was just a dope hip hop act,
Speaker 1: the streets just had to like you when it worked out,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like Mo d I mean,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Kine or Rod. Them dudes didn't have no
Speaker 1: bunch of top twenty top ten songs and none of that.
Speaker 1: Them dudes n w ain't the same thing. They didn't
Speaker 1: have no top twenty top ten songs in the country.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you this. The Fat Boys bro not
Speaker 2: to just cut you walk with see, but the Fat
Speaker 2: Boys was probably just as important as Run DMC. Yes,
Speaker 2: as far as breaking hips to mainstream. Them dudes had
Speaker 2: a gold album in nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 3: Dog at three gold albums.
Speaker 2: Yeah, on an independent label. Though, Bro, what.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, keep telling y'all, y'all shamed y'all, y'all, how y'all,
Speaker 1: what's funny is I look up to them.
Speaker 3: That boy was a kid young c is what early nineties,
Speaker 3: early nineties, you know.
Speaker 2: What the Fat Boys. I looked at the Fat Boys
Speaker 2: until they started going commercial. I don't like, nobody want
Speaker 2: the commercial. Dog. As soon as they start doing the
Speaker 2: tackle bill commercials and doing all this and that and doing.
Speaker 3: The getting it, they start getting it.
Speaker 2: Ship.
Speaker 3: We niggas get chick.
Speaker 2: I understand it better now.
Speaker 6: But now that now that you've got sponsorships all deck,
Speaker 6: now you understand it.
Speaker 3: Know that you don't want to butteries.
Speaker 1: Now you understand out the last five these three four
Speaker 1: hours ago, it.
Speaker 3: Was like sell out. It was that nigga bill you
Speaker 3: make this orderly. It was that nigga in college you
Speaker 3: went to the NFL. Got some bread you suck?
Speaker 2: Now, man, just think about this though. Dog hard. And
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you, what's the homie that got the
Speaker 2: song with cocaine out? That dude still.
Speaker 1: Spitting oh cool rock skin, Yeah, is still hard. This
Speaker 1: song he got with cocaine is already on their bus.
Speaker 1: Fat Boys was hard. I used to love the Fat
Speaker 1: Boys when I was a kid, but again with him,
Speaker 1: I was a kid.
Speaker 3: The better marketable acts.
Speaker 1: I noticed y'all didn't like and it's not I don't
Speaker 1: think y'all thought they were talented.
Speaker 3: You felt it was a gimmick.
Speaker 1: So I could see how if you looked at Disorderly,
Speaker 1: like I loved it.
Speaker 3: I'm seven the movie. Yeah, movie was crazy. That movie was,
Speaker 3: but I would imagine if you're the age, you know,
Speaker 3: you know what Disorderlies was.
Speaker 5: Like, I think Disorderlies is what inspired the movie bats.
Speaker 1: This Orderly is fire is crazy. But it didn't hit
Speaker 1: them that they could be cool and tell how.
Speaker 3: Because I was watching that ship as a kid too.
Speaker 2: It was like Fat Boys was great.
Speaker 1: But okay, the point let me right way, So again,
Speaker 1: like I'm saying, so my point to say, what's cubing them?
Speaker 1: They didn't have no So he came in the game
Speaker 1: competing with what was in the game at the time.
Speaker 1: Right he came in, it really wasn't much there, so
Speaker 1: he competed.
Speaker 3: With that, I feel.
Speaker 1: But what happened was during his reign, right, because it's
Speaker 1: fair to say Cube is the MVP of hip hop
Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety one, but guess what
Speaker 1: happened in nineteen ninety two? Snoop Dog happened, and Snoopy
Speaker 1: came this and I always say this, I say on
Speaker 1: the Bretherst Club.
Speaker 3: Now the conversation is spreading, and I see a lot
Speaker 3: of people.
Speaker 5: I was listening to Doggie Style in the gym today.
Speaker 5: It's a top five hip hop album by far you
Speaker 5: know ch Yeah, yes, it's not as rich, it's just greater.
Speaker 3: It's fun.
Speaker 1: But okay, so, but dog happens right, and mind you,
Speaker 1: dog writes to Chronic too, But dog happens right. And
Speaker 1: then dog becomes this thing that really never happened. Now
Speaker 1: he is number two in the country, Like, why is
Speaker 1: this song with these dudes?
Speaker 3: Is talking crazy? The number two songs out of all records.
Speaker 1: And then Dred comes out This is a distant easy
Speaker 1: It's number four in the country. And then let Me
Speaker 1: Ride drops right, shout out to uh to uh to
Speaker 1: steal steal man. Yeah right, then let them get Little
Speaker 1: Ghetto Boys is top forty. So like, you have one
Speaker 1: album that has four top forty songs. This ain't even
Speaker 1: his album. He just wrote it, right, and then guess
Speaker 1: what he comes back with Doggie Staff. It's four songs
Speaker 1: on on there that are top top forty.
Speaker 3: Songs, their top ten songs. Hip Hop now is competing.
Speaker 1: With the best at it's competing with Michael Jackson. You know,
Speaker 1: they got the biggest songs. And Cube is watching this happen.
Speaker 1: He go from being a dope MC and writney songs.
Speaker 1: They don't have to be huge chart topping smashes. They
Speaker 1: just the culture. And then he looking at dogging them,
Speaker 1: He like, what the fuck is like, what is happening?
Speaker 1: And then right, so this happens and then they come back.
Speaker 1: They got the Now Biggie is happening. Now Biggie got
Speaker 1: top ten songs, the remix to One More Chance and
Speaker 1: Big Poppa. And now there's a hip hop, right, there's
Speaker 1: a hip hop that's woolf Tang where it's like these
Speaker 1: are the biggest hip hop songs and the urban songs.
Speaker 1: And then you got hip hop competing with Michael Jackson. Commercial.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you it was unapologetic gangster rap dog
Speaker 2: and I think because.
Speaker 3: We didn't like out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was it was music that was so hard.
Speaker 2: They didn't sell out, though, Dogs.
Speaker 1: But Hammer didn't sell out. That's just Hammer's entertainment. But
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, but let me make my points.
Speaker 1: So now you have hip hop like Cream, you got Illmatic,
Speaker 1: and these songs are doing well at the highest level
Speaker 1: of his black music. But now you got these other
Speaker 1: the other stuff that's competing with every Songhy you Cube.
Speaker 1: It has already been in the game as a top
Speaker 1: EMC for seven years in the game, right, for seven
Speaker 1: years as a top EMC, and then Park's happening. He's like,
Speaker 1: these guys, are I have to wear?
Speaker 4: Come g you think it's fair.
Speaker 6: At that time, there hadn't really been like the like
Speaker 6: the sound cycle over time hadn't eclipsed twelve o'clock a
Speaker 6: second time yet to where there was like two point zeros,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, Like to where you could say,
Speaker 6: oh this this has a vibe that throws back to
Speaker 6: whatever it sounds like a everything was new over new.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you're kind of finding the evolutionary clock. And
Speaker 6: then a few years after that, because even at that point,
Speaker 6: that was right after Snoop's No Limits sound came out,
Speaker 6: which was different than his previous sound.
Speaker 3: But let's back up.
Speaker 1: Before we get to ninety eight, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: or ninety seven, Let's just stay in that window of
Speaker 1: ninety two December ninety two, the chronic to ninety six.
Speaker 3: This is what cbe so maya cube in.
Speaker 1: Ninety two he had already been to MVP for two
Speaker 1: years ninety and ninety one. He was a part of
Speaker 1: what became at that time the greatest group in hip
Speaker 1: hop to some degree. If you wouldn't say run DMC,
Speaker 1: you say NW for sure, it's the greatest West Coast
Speaker 1: rap group.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So you eighty seven, you wrote a big impactful culture record,
Speaker 1: Boys in the Hood for Easy. That's in eighty seven,
Speaker 1: and then ninety two you are supreme. This is what
Speaker 1: the top looks like.
Speaker 3: I got a signe note real quick, right, But then
Speaker 3: dog happens.
Speaker 1: That's the same thing happening. Ice t iced T told
Speaker 1: me that. He said, Man, I hit the pinnacle. I
Speaker 1: was selling the same records LLL was selling. He said,
Speaker 1: So I started to make rock because it felt like
Speaker 1: I hit the ceiling.
Speaker 3: And guess who comes and lifts the ceiling.
Speaker 1: Snoop lifts the ceiling in the ceiling that's been there
Speaker 1: the whole time. Just touch it or you don't, So, cub,
Speaker 1: what was your side note?
Speaker 2: Quiz?
Speaker 5: Still I'm still might be biased. Bone Thugs in Harmony.
Speaker 5: Top five rap group.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, especially the earlier works, because you got
Speaker 2: to remember at that time they came with something that
Speaker 2: was so new.
Speaker 4: Bro, you're in your top five.
Speaker 3: I believe, I say, I say for sure, top ten.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure about top five.
Speaker 2: Listen. I don't know if they in top five group
Speaker 2: of all time. I think they were probably one of
Speaker 2: the more original groups, though Dog.
Speaker 6: Sound came out first, Like did they come out before
Speaker 6: that Chicago Sound?
Speaker 4: Did they just get big before the Door Dies of
Speaker 4: the world?
Speaker 2: And they were different from Chicago's. They had the melody
Speaker 2: in the dude.
Speaker 1: It was like, well, even though you're good, it wasn't
Speaker 1: the melody. The Midwest always had melody.
Speaker 3: They had harmony. It was like the Beach Boys harmony.
Speaker 1: Top five No, no, no bonus, Top five, Dog Pound,
Speaker 1: no Outcast.
Speaker 3: Yes, top five is probably gonna be Wo Tang. The Locks, No,
Speaker 3: the Lox isn't Top five. Locks ain't top five in
Speaker 3: New York for groups not New York. Are you crazy?
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not going locks over. Locks are one of my
Speaker 1: favorite and ain't my er, but I'm not going. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to lock over Wang. I'm not going locks over.
Speaker 1: I'm not going lots over fat boys. I'm not going
Speaker 1: locks over uh tribe, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And I'm not going locks. What's that?
Speaker 1: That's five right there? My yeah, in the top five
Speaker 1: all time? Yeah, Bone does it's the greatest group out
Speaker 1: of the Midwest. Hell yeah, out Cast the greatest group
Speaker 1: out of the South. Bone is the greatest group out
Speaker 1: of the Midwest. N w A is the greatest group
Speaker 1: out the West. By Wu Tang is the greatest.
Speaker 2: Group out the East.
Speaker 1: Ghetto Boys, I'm gonna go out Cast over Ghetto Boys,
Speaker 1: U GK over U g.
Speaker 3: K two our cast.
Speaker 5: Though I'm just saying like, oh wait, looking at it
Speaker 5: when I started, and that I didn't know if there
Speaker 5: was like top five.
Speaker 3: I believe the game hold on.
Speaker 4: Pempsey made it abundantly clear in that interview that Atlanta
Speaker 4: is in the Eastern Standard time, and then they're not
Speaker 4: the South.
Speaker 1: He did say that you could have Atlanta, it's not
Speaker 1: the South.
Speaker 2: No, So.
Speaker 1: What's your watch time? What's your watch when you said
Speaker 1: the time changed, don't it?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: That was my man, bro, the first one that ever
Speaker 1: showed me love so yeah, so I look at Cube, right.
Speaker 1: So Cube had been in the game. Remember Cuba is
Speaker 1: the second g N M C so like he had
Speaker 1: been in the game before that. But to watch the
Speaker 1: third generation come and raise the ceiling raised think about it.
Speaker 1: Rock Kim didn't raise his game. Caine didn't raise his game.
Speaker 1: G Rapp didn't raise his game. The only guys from
Speaker 1: those those first two generations that raised their game l
Speaker 1: ll I, c ice C, Fresh Prince, he raised his game. Uh,
Speaker 1: somebody else too that I'm not thinking too short.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that. You think he raised his game?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he became an incredible where he was making
Speaker 1: smash hit records doing his hooks. That's crazy for him.
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine me being on a number ten
Speaker 1: record and I'm doing my hook That argument, huh Q.
Speaker 6: Because at the same time LLLL had that had a
Speaker 6: whole different sound of coming, like love song.
Speaker 3: Type he made that Who that was? That was the
Speaker 3: second album.
Speaker 5: He's talking about when he started doing records with Pharrell
Speaker 5: and Boys to Men and he raised his game.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Like LLLL was love songs, he
Speaker 3: just switched up started.
Speaker 6: Yeah, like the sound other than that one, but like him,
Speaker 6: he had knock You Out and then he's got like But.
Speaker 3: That's what's crazy is that's third, that's third, even even
Speaker 3: fourth hen knock you out as I'm bad.
Speaker 1: And what's crazy is that's true. And what's crazy is
Speaker 1: that was the rebirth of What's Your Boy? Who created
Speaker 1: a sample in the way we knew it? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was mal Mall came and did that LL album would
Speaker 1: Knock You Out and around the Way Girl.
Speaker 3: That was a big moment from all that's Moll's biggest album.
Speaker 1: Who came out in mid eighties and all that stuff
Speaker 1: where he just had the Heavy D records and the
Speaker 1: Cultural Records came and produced smash hit records. So again,
Speaker 1: the point I'm saying still like when that third group
Speaker 1: of MCS came around, they raised the ceiling.
Speaker 2: Well, i'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you you're
Speaker 2: sleeping on two. I'm gonna tell you who was a
Speaker 2: record making motherfucker back then? Heavy D was hard, but
Speaker 2: he was dope the first day. Yeah, what I'm saying
Speaker 2: off the gate he was dupe.
Speaker 1: But but again I agree, But that's the point of
Speaker 1: what we're saying about Q, where Q wasn't what heavy
Speaker 1: D was. He became what he needed to become to
Speaker 1: compete against third and fourth generation in seeds. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like oh Snoop wasn't just gonna have a space at
Speaker 1: the number one hits. Guess what he doubled back started
Speaker 1: dropping hits. He figured out whatever it took as a songwriter,
Speaker 1: as a recordmacker, like.
Speaker 5: Just making art or art that he fucked were he
Speaker 5: believed and he was a competitor that figured out how
Speaker 5: to compete all the in the arena that he was existing.
Speaker 3: All the time, and he wasn't gonna let you get away.
Speaker 3: I can fuck with that. People like I've heard that,
Speaker 3: I can fuck with that.
Speaker 1: I heard Pock even say in an interview. He's like, man, Q,
Speaker 1: you know Q. You know he wasn't tripping like this.
Speaker 1: You took some of his staff. You didn't have no
Speaker 1: choice but to come in and take Q style. If
Speaker 1: you came in this business in ninety ninety one ninety
Speaker 1: two and you were trying to talk tough, that was
Speaker 1: the centerpiece of talking tough. So everybody took you scarface
Speaker 1: and Q. You know what I'm saying, that was the thing.
Speaker 1: So that is part of the game. Like I think
Speaker 1: forty is brilliant at that Forty another one that look
Speaker 1: at what's happened and then he like positioned himself with
Speaker 1: his own style to make it happen like how it's happened.
Speaker 5: I just feel like with forty, the change isn't that drastic,
Speaker 5: Like it makes sense, like he's he adjusted to like
Speaker 5: what's happening, you know what I'm saying, Like he finds
Speaker 5: a way to beat himself inside of what's going on.
Speaker 5: Where like Cube to some degree became a different character.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if because I still think it
Speaker 1: was the same version of a South Central rapper, but
Speaker 1: I think it stopped being focused as much as what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, as much as how I'm saying. How I'm
Speaker 1: saying is where his jang really elevated.
Speaker 3: And I think.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I think how he's saying it is why his records
Speaker 1: got better. He started to know how to say it
Speaker 1: that that would make us all be like say it
Speaker 1: with him.
Speaker 3: I did fou push farms like way though.
Speaker 1: All I mean, if you think, because we're talking about
Speaker 1: that version of Cube is ninety six, is that bout
Speaker 1: down it start says about it. Yeah, right, and then
Speaker 1: so bout all became like this they got smash records
Speaker 1: on here by then is a huge red right, this
Speaker 1: is him on the hook the world go. We think
Speaker 1: about how rare that is them. There's no singing on
Speaker 1: these hooks.
Speaker 4: And those songs. I mean like that was around the
Speaker 4: same time as Westside.
Speaker 3: No No, that's that's a butter. That's Butter and.
Speaker 1: Qbe together, which Q don't get no credit because mine you.
Speaker 1: Q produced Matt Tim's first hit record, foll Life. He
Speaker 1: co produced a lot of the songs, so again his
Speaker 1: record writing. And that's what I'm saying, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to say I don't see his change as MC,
Speaker 1: but where I do see less or the focus as
Speaker 1: far as how we see them seeing being the writer.
Speaker 3: I see the growth as a record writer.
Speaker 1: And you can't do nothing but really respected, like because
Speaker 1: Snoop came and changed the game right from stealing them
Speaker 1: head that everything before that was rock Yim, rock Kim said,
Speaker 1: rock Kim, Q Snoop everybody, Huh.
Speaker 2: I wish Bob Kat would tell I was here to
Speaker 2: tell this story. Man. He told me about how he
Speaker 2: was excited because Michael Jackson called them to come in
Speaker 2: the studio him in the L L right, and he
Speaker 2: said he went there. L was doing the record man,
Speaker 2: and he was in that like I need love mode
Speaker 2: and he said that Michael Jackson man was sitting behind
Speaker 2: the thing and was like, you know, looking at a
Speaker 2: rap and he just turned down. He says, no, that's
Speaker 2: not what I want. I want. Mama said, knock you
Speaker 2: out man. He said, not that soft ship, he said.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson said, just like that, not the talk shit.
Speaker 2: He said, He'll go back in there, tippy the teo
Speaker 2: and Mike's like, oh, that's but let's just try it
Speaker 2: another day. And I used to see Michael being like
Speaker 2: how you know he was mad. Then Bob said he
Speaker 2: was gonna leave right, but he was hanging out. He
Speaker 2: went out on the thing and he saw Heavy D
Speaker 2: pull up in that ge and he said, Heavy D
Speaker 2: winning that motherfucker and right now. And Mike said, hey,
Speaker 2: if I want you to give it to me, give
Speaker 2: it to me rod Hard.
Speaker 3: He said that that's a sound clean.
Speaker 2: He said, Heavy D winning. The booth went jam jam.
Speaker 2: He comes to man and Michaels there going crazy, turning
Speaker 2: it up he said, man, he called, man, that ship
Speaker 2: over with you gonna get on that song?
Speaker 1: Though, LLLL had a better, bigger and death for though
Speaker 1: LLLL bad was better than Michael Jackson Bad.
Speaker 3: So fuck it, I'm bad. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: How about that? Yeah, you don't like that at all.
Speaker 1: LLL is better than Michael Jackson's Bad.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not Michael Jackson. It was your but Michael
Speaker 2: Jackson's world Wide.
Speaker 3: All ship is booth for too long, you know what.
Speaker 1: That's all Corney's head man heavy D was hard though.
Speaker 1: You know, Prince was supposed you know, Prince was supposed
Speaker 1: to do that. It's supposed to be a collabe. Bad
Speaker 1: was supposed to be a collabe with him and Prince,
Speaker 1: and Prince told the story and Prince was like he
Speaker 1: read the First Life, Yo, Butdy's mind, he said, who's
Speaker 1: going to say that?
Speaker 3: Who's gonna say that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, bad was llll COOLJS bad was better than Michael
Speaker 1: Jackson's Bad and make it last forever.
Speaker 3: Sweat is better than Michael jack Prince.
Speaker 5: If Prince and Michael Jackson would have did Bad together,
Speaker 5: light skin niggas will not be able to breathe to this.
Speaker 3: So yeah, nah, I respect. I respect what I respect,
Speaker 3: q Bro.
Speaker 1: The more I see it and I get what happened,
Speaker 1: like when I when I clock it in real time
Speaker 1: and I see, like you come out of you on
Speaker 1: top of the world.
Speaker 3: You the man. Because Chuck D was the pinnacle.
Speaker 1: So everybody looked at Chuck public enemy was killing you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And it was like they was
Speaker 1: they were still hard and still had commercial appeal, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's that's the highest you
Speaker 1: had to ridge to t and it was doing their thing,
Speaker 1: that was the highest you had to ridge to.
Speaker 5: So for him to write from that n w A stuff,
Speaker 5: so then like his own solo stuff and then like
Speaker 5: like you.
Speaker 3: Said, co produce.
Speaker 5: However much he different Mac Tim's first album west Side
Speaker 5: Connection and du yeah let.
Speaker 3: It Go, and.
Speaker 4: He was in the studio doing those types of songs
Speaker 4: sounded very different than like.
Speaker 3: West Side Connection. He was like, that's about the same time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: You never heard.
Speaker 3: You said what you ever hear every D album? Of course,
Speaker 3: which to Blue Funk?
Speaker 2: Did you ever listen to Blue Funk? Blue Funk was
Speaker 2: probably best album.
Speaker 1: Okay, I was a huge heavy D fan, but I'm
Speaker 1: surprised y'all like him still. I usually don't never let
Speaker 1: don't like people that was making money at the time
Speaker 1: I was making money. I was calling him a sellout
Speaker 1: on early hip hop y'all. I was like, y'all didn't
Speaker 1: like enough. They thought l was corny, they thought Hammer
Speaker 1: was corny.
Speaker 2: I like when it was this niggas, when he was
Speaker 2: this nice. There wasn't no money.
Speaker 3: He's just showing his way.
Speaker 1: When he was starting the problem that got him killed.
Speaker 1: That's my I like that put.
Speaker 8: Yourself that was That's a real What was that she
Speaker 8: blow tishes Stevie Delicious?
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: Alright? And you know it?
Speaker 2: Delicious? Got Lord?
Speaker 3: That was girl.
Speaker 2: Biggs that That was on Biggies on on the on
Speaker 2: the Flavoring your Ear crazy Max song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Let me see something that crazy hate
Speaker 3: is so crazy when you're making money. Remember was a
Speaker 3: real song? Who fatty girl? Remember duringham was that Vice
Speaker 3: Later Days or something like those? I listen, I love.
Speaker 5: That's where r That's where Vibrant Thing came from.
Speaker 3: I like that too. Yeah. Vibrra things crazy crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, run Thing, Vibrant Thing. I just think that song.
Speaker 5: Was did most of LA's L's new album, right, yeah,
Speaker 5: the whole thing. Yeah, that's that fire bro.
Speaker 1: That's some good on the forty years Yeah yeah, that
Speaker 1: nigga MC and still it was crazy is to me,
Speaker 1: that's a perfect example. He like, I ain't tripping off
Speaker 1: the record, right, I'm finna just get bits. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: really brought him his head like it got with him.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh, forty years in you're getting
Speaker 1: with four generation m C generation.
Speaker 3: It's some good songs on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it. I think that ship is dope.
Speaker 1: I can probably listen to it about six seven times.
Speaker 1: I ain't heard the album that's that will put together
Speaker 1: in a long time. Like I like the Grilla album
Speaker 1: a lot, and but it ain't strung together. It's just
Speaker 1: a collection of cool songs. But that that LL record force.
Speaker 1: That's orchestrated. They got busy, that great sound. Yeah, Steve,
Speaker 1: what was it with y'all?
Speaker 2: Man? Why did you why?
Speaker 3: Why did y'all? Why did y'all y'all hated anybody that
Speaker 3: was successful?
Speaker 2: No, it's not that we just didn't like to sell
Speaker 2: out hip hop?
Speaker 3: How was it sellout? Because it was selling out?
Speaker 2: Well, man, I appreciate it. I didn't like this.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I was coming to see your ship, is
Speaker 3: what I was reading this.
Speaker 5: Uh, I was reading this thing about like the history
Speaker 5: some of the history of music, and the goal for
Speaker 5: music period is to sell out. Like in the beginning,
Speaker 5: you want to sell out of sheet music. Then you
Speaker 5: want to sell out a venue. So if you're selling out,
Speaker 5: like the point is to sell out of a product,
Speaker 5: of course.
Speaker 3: But but if they didn't like it, I don't get it.
Speaker 3: It was like this hammer ship, like women dancing in
Speaker 3: the club. How dare how make people have a good time?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 3: You that people have fun? You want to go? Did
Speaker 3: you see dancing? They're supposed to happen to the church? Still, hey,
Speaker 3: you forget my stream what you're doing? And still you
Speaker 3: was dancing? You was dancing with chicks to dis records. Man, everybody,
Speaker 3: I just I just sat on the wall and I
Speaker 3: just steered at everybody.
Speaker 2: The record.
Speaker 1: I just start staying radd like this just kicked it.
Speaker 1: They just kick bunch of dancing. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: horrible generation.
Speaker 3: That's what that's like.
Speaker 5: When I was as much as much as I'm an
Speaker 5: and like wrap, I was going to come on, I
Speaker 5: was going to parties. Bro, I want to be in
Speaker 5: a cipher.
Speaker 1: I did not want to be in No, you do
Speaker 1: not want to be in a cipher where the hose
Speaker 1: is at Bro, that's no way be like that's back
Speaker 1: in the air.
Speaker 3: The niggas to dance against each other in the holes
Speaker 3: and the music propt. Watch out man. They put the
Speaker 3: cardboard down.
Speaker 2: Get the.
Speaker 3: Story, baking, dance to the face, combat to combat.
Speaker 1: They start balleting. The girls sitting right there just looking like.
Speaker 1: Uncle Luke came and shore. I know, y'all so mad
Speaker 1: at Uncle Luke.
Speaker 2: Well you know what, uncle. We kind of like that though,
Speaker 2: because the girls crazy stuff. Uncle Luke came on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was so bad dancing about killing biggie.
Speaker 3: That's classic, man.
Speaker 2: Man, I remembers in the clubs people dance with that.
Speaker 3: I bet you they did.
Speaker 4: Next to look at the bar like you know, around cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cool to be have fun. It was
Speaker 3: cool to have fun. It was cold to like girls.
Speaker 3: Man's stelling him. Man, they was like that, Watch out girl,
Speaker 3: Watch out girls.
Speaker 2: I wasn't mad that met the man.
Speaker 1: When he did, they had a real party like watch
Speaker 1: our girls, y'all get on the wall.
Speaker 4: Because the girl in that song's video was like sitting
Speaker 4: in an alley against the brick wall.
Speaker 2: We would that he came like, ain't no handstep. We
Speaker 2: would dance with that.
Speaker 3: Man, just.
Speaker 2: Come on, dun. I was like, you know what Marie
Speaker 2: used to look so.
Speaker 3: And he over there making that money man still was it?
Speaker 3: Was it a Georgetown starter jackets or he was after
Speaker 3: that man?
Speaker 2: For which one song? I here high school? Now you
Speaker 2: know what we used to wear the triple goose. We
Speaker 2: used to like the triple fat goose.
Speaker 3: Even since even Cleveland they thought they were New York.
Speaker 3: Oh like the bubble jackets, you're like the big bubble jackets.
Speaker 2: We had those right there.
Speaker 3: Out there. Yeah, we were you You weren't doing nothing
Speaker 3: out there.
Speaker 2: You had one gold too for your mouth. Everybody would
Speaker 2: buy a gold tooth from a liquor store, put it
Speaker 2: right there and had just like this had one gold
Speaker 2: tooth windows. Everybody was very on New York's tip kind
Speaker 2: of like. And then the West Thoas came out and
Speaker 2: everybody started thinking they was from California. When Colors came out,
Speaker 2: everybody started talking about they had a crip game.
Speaker 6: Colors when when Let Me Rider came out that everybody
Speaker 6: cleven the side. Now is the time to buy a car.
Speaker 2: We've been at car Cleveland always wasn't.
Speaker 3: Just talking ship. Yeah still man, y'all, I don't know
Speaker 3: what John problem.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm I'm proud of a cuge journey though, Bro,
Speaker 1: I think I I think our journey was. That's really,
Speaker 1: to me, the testament to how great of a true
Speaker 1: hip hop artist he.
Speaker 3: Is, even as we started fighting. I just if he didn't.
Speaker 5: Start that, Bro, how smart he is as a human
Speaker 5: to like be able to digest and process what's in
Speaker 5: front of him and then hard to compete and then
Speaker 5: plug himself in.
Speaker 1: Think about it. Rock Kim didn't. He didn't transition out
Speaker 1: of the second gin.
Speaker 3: He never did. A lot of them didn't.
Speaker 1: Caine didn't, None of them dudes did. The only one
Speaker 1: that came out was Els before them, Els before Kane Ellens,
Speaker 1: before g rap Ellen's, before Rock Ellen's eighty four as
Speaker 1: a dude, it was crazy as l and and and
Speaker 1: and and and he one year older than jay Z.
Speaker 3: One year. That's crazy, that's super crazy.
Speaker 4: It came out like sixteen. He gets signed at sixteen
Speaker 4: or something, that. Yeah, like the little Wayne of Queens.
Speaker 1: He's really like how they say Nas is the golden shot.
Speaker 1: Elle is the real golden chot. He's the real one, underrated.
Speaker 1: Lift them jam over his head, made it work, Give
Speaker 1: me think about it.
Speaker 3: That's almost. He came out twelve years before Jay.
Speaker 1: He's a year older than Jay, so he had twelve
Speaker 1: years of records before.
Speaker 4: And couldn't clock a billion.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, that's why I don't be believing none
Speaker 1: of that stuff, man, because all that stuff is fluff.
Speaker 3: Ela is the guy. Man.
Speaker 5: What y'all uh, y'all think missionary gonna sound like?
Speaker 3: Oh this dreads snoop record, It can't be bad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know how y'all get to them ages where y'all
Speaker 1: start just coming up with ideas and don't know, ain't.
Speaker 2: That on a thing with them marching with a nun
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 3: No, they're saying missionary like Doggie style or.
Speaker 4: Like laying on the missionary like on your back instead
Speaker 4: of on your knees.
Speaker 2: A woman.
Speaker 1: You know how you get older, how you see what
Speaker 1: your old lady? Now y'all all just doing mission?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 8: What's still well?
Speaker 3: You got thought it was a church?
Speaker 1: Just you want mission It was for the Georgia governor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just get old and really crazy.
Speaker 2: All the.
Speaker 4: Because they moved to the move to San Fernando or something.
Speaker 2: You're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be out there and the Bible mission. That's
Speaker 3: my that's my.
Speaker 4: This is my ticket in I could. I could come
Speaker 4: in on the MC name and see peril, Sarah.
Speaker 3: That's funny.
Speaker 1: Still you it's missionary because it's like doggies down, like
Speaker 1: you know, Doggie staff.
Speaker 3: That don't make no damn another EXPERI.
Speaker 4: Sixty years old need to call that ship Viagara, not missionary.
Speaker 1: If dra gonna put it out, it can't be bad, now,
Speaker 1: is it gonna be something that's going to All I
Speaker 1: wanted to do is compete with ll cool J and
Speaker 1: Q Tip. That's it, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be that good as a project.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Stop hating, bro. We already agree. The
Speaker 3: Continent don't count. That's the soundtrack.
Speaker 1: I forgot that, THEMN two together long as it's as
Speaker 1: dope as the LL cool J Q Tip album, the NAS,
Speaker 1: the NAS hit Boy album, the Common Pete rock album.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm expecting that coming Pete rock album.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's all I'm expect.
Speaker 1: That's all I want for it to be successful and
Speaker 1: just need to do twenty to thirty thousand first week
Speaker 1: it it's all I'm asking, that's it, that's all. How
Speaker 1: could you ask for this thirty four years? I said
Speaker 1: first week.
Speaker 5: I just feel like aligning it with Doggie style is like,
Speaker 5: it's just a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why they called the missionary. They wasn't
Speaker 1: smart to call it Doggie too. I think he forty
Speaker 1: could make it a major way too. I think it
Speaker 1: no matter, but I think dog were dog and dre
Speaker 1: Ben Bros. They so past anything like it. What are
Speaker 1: we really thinking? Are they gonna make a like a
Speaker 1: modern day Jen and Juice?
Speaker 3: Probably not. It's not gonna suck up nothing.
Speaker 1: Long as they longest it's dope, Like long as it's listenable,
Speaker 1: you're like, man, it's put together really well. They take
Speaker 1: their time and and get a nice cohesive thing, and
Speaker 1: you put the original suspects on the corrupt on their
Speaker 1: er else.
Speaker 5: See, ain't be wrong with how did that happen? How
Speaker 5: did Eric Sherman become an East Coast funk nigga?
Speaker 1: He's the original. He's the original. He e PMD was
Speaker 1: big on the West. Yeah, but like how did he
Speaker 1: become just said he on the album?
Speaker 2: I hope there? Why is it? Why not?
Speaker 4: And I think that was kind of before there was
Speaker 4: like he kind of pre existed all of those categories.
Speaker 4: This is doing what he liked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he fucking it that.
Speaker 2: The thing is on the athod man is on a.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 6: I think if the forty does another album, he should
Speaker 6: change his name to the sixty.
Speaker 2: No, he probably should. He should probably do another Christ
Speaker 2: say I want to be saved. That's what he should do.
Speaker 2: That over again.
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is I just back to the point man.
Speaker 1: I just think cubes Journey is dope.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 1: I just think where a lot of people where a
Speaker 1: lot of people see the back end, the adjustments to
Speaker 1: compete the people like, oh that ain't quite what you
Speaker 1: used to do to still be at that and lead
Speaker 1: level where that generation was at.
Speaker 3: That says a lot. Yeah, that says a lot. That's
Speaker 3: a that's a solid perspective. I respect this as a guy.
Speaker 6: I would off to have him are here because because
Speaker 6: he's a dude who's done a lot of stuff in
Speaker 6: different areas. That was not fully like independent, but like
Speaker 6: largely in like his cinematics.
Speaker 2: Clubbing that you're talking about so masterful. Yeah, yeah we
Speaker 2: be clubbing, Well be clubbing. Niggas don't know how to
Speaker 2: act e I p s in the second numbers. Niggas
Speaker 2: like him, dumber to get the smarter only shark to
Speaker 2: swim in here and no water that you're doing ships.
Speaker 3: You don't think aud.
Speaker 2: You know how the lone with many nigga back in
Speaker 2: so we can smoke a dub down to bump all
Speaker 2: these bitches in the club, show me love you don't know,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: Actually sorry and what But this was always well he
Speaker 1: was saying, But it was how he was saying that
Speaker 1: that made me. Why So it wasn't like they was
Speaker 1: having the show. Here's a crazy thing. Where was I
Speaker 1: flying to Salt Lake somewhere? This wasn't leaving that long ago.
Speaker 1: I was flying somewhere and it was a white lady. No,
Speaker 1: I was flying back from somewhere and it was a
Speaker 1: white lady's a concert with ice Q and she was
Speaker 1: flying into New Mexico and she was flying into town
Speaker 1: to see the ice Cube concert, I believe. And she
Speaker 1: was so pumped up and rapping those songs. And I
Speaker 1: knew that she could rap those songs because how he
Speaker 1: said it. That's why he got bigger, because everybody could
Speaker 1: catch what.
Speaker 3: He was saying.
Speaker 1: See in America's most that's what they couldn't catch that.
Speaker 1: That's no rhythm, it ain't no melody, it's just drum drunk.
Speaker 4: A big song for him.
Speaker 2: That's a bar. The only shark that swim in here
Speaker 2: and no water, that's a bar.
Speaker 3: The nigga is tough man, that nigga.
Speaker 1: And he figured it out as a songwriter how to
Speaker 1: make everything he was saying catchy.
Speaker 2: If you wrap.
Speaker 3: Gangs just made the world go round.
Speaker 1: He's saying some shit, he's just making it, in compacting
Speaker 1: it to where it's catchy. And now it ain't just
Speaker 1: about I'm saying something hard, but I'm saying something everybody
Speaker 1: knows what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: To the stove for the night, hell hell no.
Speaker 3: And remember that's for a movie he's making.
Speaker 1: He makes the title track for a film and it's
Speaker 1: a top thirty song in the country. He's on the course.
Speaker 1: Rappers ain't on the choruses on their biggest smash records.
Speaker 1: That's not normal. I mean, you gotta be a really
Speaker 1: good songwriter record writer to be on. Listen, Cuba's on
Speaker 1: his biggest record, writes the chorus. Imagine that because like dog,
Speaker 1: right dog, his biggest record is dropping like it's hot.
Speaker 1: But that's for real, right, that's him saying it, which
Speaker 1: he had a voice. Jay Zon not on none of
Speaker 1: his biggest records, his top chart top charting song, dre
Speaker 1: not on the hook on his top charting songs.
Speaker 3: It ain't even no hook on it.
Speaker 1: Think about it's hard to be on the hook of
Speaker 1: your top charting songs. Like that's the true mark of
Speaker 1: a great record maker. And Cuba is writing this ship
Speaker 1: and sing it.
Speaker 6: That's what probably is like the main secret ingrediy Drake's success.
Speaker 1: He's on he could be on the course, Lil Wayne.
Speaker 1: That's why they him a fantastic and said he could
Speaker 1: be on the course. Like it's hard to have that
Speaker 1: catchy voice to go with that MC like that, don't
Speaker 1: that's a real you know, tough using somebody singing LL
Speaker 1: cool J, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like people are albums.
Speaker 2: Queen, what's the name of your new album? Just told you?
Speaker 2: Remember it?
Speaker 3: Grateful great. I don't know if he was even here yet,
Speaker 3: Oh he was here.
Speaker 2: Grateful on there?
Speaker 5: I want to say twelve thirteen something like that, twelve any.
Speaker 2: Any features on there?
Speaker 3: Of course, still want to be like Donnie Simpson. How
Speaker 3: many how many new Cooks got on your new album?
Speaker 5: Classic is on there? We got to call Steve Francis
Speaker 5: on there. It's crazy, Steve Francis.
Speaker 3: Steve Francis, that's the name of the song, Bro France
Speaker 3: Francis for somebody your age, Stephen Francis.
Speaker 4: Can we like you.
Speaker 6: Know, the like for the pot is like the description
Speaker 6: of the thing. Can we like Lincoln in that.
Speaker 2: For the Yeah?
Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, for sure, for sure. But still
Speaker 1: still want to be Donnie Simpsons. So baby and sit down.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what was your inspiration in making this out?
Speaker 1: Niggas don't want to hear that?
Speaker 2: On the Hey, did y'all hear about this ship that
Speaker 2: happened to Bookena Foss? They killed all people who in
Speaker 2: Africa Alta.
Speaker 4: They've been doing that for twenty years. I gotta keep
Speaker 4: more specific still.
Speaker 2: And Bokeino and Fox the Q six hundred people, six
Speaker 2: hundred people.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: I think the world is about the end.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: That's been a big issue. Like I know, people like
Speaker 4: who go over there because like as a conversion, you know,
Speaker 4: they kind of forceful the conversion in that faith. Like
Speaker 4: throughout Africa they go and will seize access to water
Speaker 4: and say, well we're gonna hold we're gonna keep water
Speaker 4: from you guys if you don't convert to Islam and
Speaker 4: stuff like that, because it's.
Speaker 1: Not like this much game, no silly. They're looking out
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Speaker 3: Yeah