1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome on in, everybody to the Friday 3 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: edition of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. This 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: is Buck. I'm going to be solo today. Clay is 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: attending a very important graduation. His wife, Laura is graduating 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: from law school today. There will be two official lawyers 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: in the Travis family. So we send a big hug 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: and congratulations to her. And I have a lot to 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: get to you today within the news world, so let's 10 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: dive right into it. First off, the border is well, 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: we thought it would be this bad, but when you 12 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: see the visual images of it, when it is made 13 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: real by the presence of thousands and thousands of migrants 14 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: camped out along the border and legal aliens, really this 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: term has completely faded out of our conversation. But these 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: are people who are entering the United States illegally. They 17 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: are breaking our laws. They are over overwhelming the system 18 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: that we have in place to process them. We'll get 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: into the numbers and all of it, but the end 20 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: of Title forty two is obviously every bit as much 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: a disaster for border security as we thought it would be, 22 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: and this is, unfortunately the Democrat plan. I think you 23 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: have to understand that, and I'll get into why that 24 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: is in just a little bit. You know, CNN still 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: dealing with the aftermath of the town hall with Donald 26 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: Trump where he got to just beat Trump, I mean 27 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: he was, he was trumping it up, and a lot 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: of their audience very upset. Anderson Cooper goes on his 29 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: show and says, I mean, look, if you never watch 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: us again, I understand. Which that's the level things have 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: gotten to for CNN anchors who have been paid tens 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: of millions of dollars over the years to be propagandists. 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 1: So we shall discuss that too. But the biggest thing 34 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: that's on my mind today, and I'm sure we're gonna 35 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: take a lot of calls on it, So eight hundred 36 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: eighty two to eight eight two, the biggest thing that's 37 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: on my mind, I'm sure many of yours as well, 38 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: is the situation of Daniel Penny and how he has 39 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: now turned himself in. He is facing manslaughter charges in 40 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: the death of Jordan Neely, the career criminal who was 41 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: threatening people on the subway and was in a in 42 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: a point where at a point where Penny thought the 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: only way to handle the situation was to take matters 44 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: into his own hands and do something about it. This 45 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: is deeply upsetting. As you know. I'm a New Yorker, 46 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: bored and raised and saw the difference New York City 47 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: at that and saw the difference between a city run 48 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: for the benefit of the law abiding and the decent 49 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 1: and the productive, versus a city that bends over backwards 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: to do everything possible to cater to the criminals, to 51 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: put the vagrants, the predators, the criminals, the people who 52 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: are making life more difficult for others on the streets 53 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: of New York City, to put them first. I've seen 54 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: the difference in the city. I've seen the difference in 55 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: various communities. During the time I was doing a rotation 56 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: and the Intelligence Division of the NYPD, I spent time 57 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: in the highest crime parts of Manhattan, not just driving 58 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: through days and days, and the highest crime parts of 59 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: all of New York City. I think it is in Manhattan. 60 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: And what you realize very quickly when you actually do that, 61 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: when you're not Chuck Schumer or you know, Alcasio Cortes 62 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: or Joe Biden, none of these people have spent the 63 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: night in a dangerous neighborhood in decades if ever. Okay, 64 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 1: but when you actually go there, you see that the 65 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: elite liberal opinion that we should give criminals free reign 66 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: first and foremost punishes people in those communities who are 67 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: trying to live their lives productively, peaceably, and within the law. 68 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: And that's for the highest concentration minority neighborhoods of New 69 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: York City and any city for that matter, it is 70 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: always a small percentage of an overall metropolis that is 71 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: committing the vast majority of the violence crimes, and overwhelmingly 72 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: by the numbers. Minority communities are places where there's a 73 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: disproportioned impact on the many from the very small percentage 74 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: of those who are committing crimes. So basically, you're letting 75 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: by not enforcing the laws. The black community, the Latino 76 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: community in New York specifically, this is true in many 77 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: other cities suffer more because there's more crime in those communities. 78 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: This is the root fallacy, if you will, This is 79 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: the baseline the foundational problem with the way Democrats are 80 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:40,679 Speaker 1: approaching criminal justice. Once again, they are sacrificing the ninety 81 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: nine percent of the law abiding for the one percent 82 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: of the criminal element. And this then brings me deep 83 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: into the Jordan Neely situation. I was worried this was 84 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: going to happen. The left turned up the pressure. We'll 85 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 1: get to that in a second. Here is Daniel Penny's 86 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: attorney who is announcing that there is a surrender that 87 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: has occurred here. He has been taken into into custody, 88 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: cuffed process, the whole thing. Play clip one. 89 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: This morning, Daniel Penny surrendered at the Fifth Precinct at 90 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: the requests of the New York County District Attorney's office. 91 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: He did so voluntarily and with the sort of dignity 92 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 2: and integrity that is characteristic of his history of service 93 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: to this grateful nation. 94 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: Now, a few things that I want to establish for 95 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: our conversation here what was said on that train. There 96 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: are all these eyewitnesses. You've seen the video. There's a 97 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: more extended video you should see as well if you haven't, 98 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: that shows Neely and two others who also restrained Neely. 99 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, shows Penny and two others who were restraining Neely. 100 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: So there are three individuals who are trying to restrain 101 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Jordan Neely, who subsequently died The people on the train, 102 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: on the subway car in New York City were grateful 103 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: that someone stepped in, And you'd have to ask why 104 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: would they be grateful? Why wasn't why don't we see interviews? 105 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Wouldn't this be so easy if the people on that 106 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: subway car weren't frightened by what was happening. Wouldn't they 107 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: be frightened by this man just choking someone? Oh, and 108 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: now they're saying it's manslaughter, you know, intentionally choking him 109 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: or unintentionally as the manslaughter charge I believe allows choking 110 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: him to death. No, the other people on the subway 111 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: car were thankful that someone stepped in. Let's ask the 112 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: question why why would they be if I saw someone 113 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: put someone in a choke hold and put that individual's Yes, 114 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: anytime you put someone in a choke hold, you have 115 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: to be careful. You are taking what could be what 116 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: could be lethal force action. But if I saw someone 117 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: do that in the subway, we would people would be terrified, 118 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what what is this guy doing? Why 119 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: is he choking this individual out? This is But if 120 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: there was a reason for it, you'd say, well, aren't 121 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: we glad that someone stepped up because something really awful 122 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: was about to happen. You know, you don't have to 123 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: wait if someone pulls a knife on you, or someone 124 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: pulls a gun on you. You don't have to wait 125 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: for them to shoot you or to stab you for 126 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: you to do something about it. I know, in New 127 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: York and then the Democrat controlled states and cities, you do. Now. 128 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: They are making self defense illegal. They are doing this 129 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: purposefully because in a society, which is what they want, 130 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: with true status authoritarianism, you live and die, truly and 131 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: literally die at the whim of the state. If this 132 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: is just what the policies demand, if this is what 133 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: the collective wants, you have to suffer through it. You 134 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: are not allowed to defend yourself because they say so. 135 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: That's also why they hate this Act Amendment. That's why 136 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: they hate law abiding citizens being able to arm themselves 137 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: and defend themselves. It all holds together. This is philosophical 138 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: at its deepest level. This is about the individual's relationship 139 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: to the state. It's also about good and evil too, 140 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: because ultimately, what is the purpose of laws and ordered 141 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: society but a just society. Are you living in a 142 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: just society if every time you get on the subway. 143 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: Some maniac can get in your face and threaten to 144 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: kill you, perhaps threaten to kill your children, and you 145 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: aren't allowed to do anything about it. You sit there 146 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: and hope that that forty four times convicted criminal who 147 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: had recently shattered an elderly woman's occipital bone and nose, 148 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: her eye socket and her nose. You hope that he 149 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: doesn't decide that this time he's going to do what 150 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: he had done before. Alvin Bragg and Mayor Eric Adams 151 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: and the Democrats who run New York City, we are 152 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: telling you that's the situation. You sit there and hope 153 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: that the maniac doesn't attack you, doesn't maim you, perhaps 154 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: in front of your wife, perhaps in front of your children, 155 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: or in front of your husband. That's the city that 156 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: you're supposed to live in now. I think people have 157 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: had enough of that, But the Democrats haven't, not the 158 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Democrat apparatus, not the people in charge. Why did they 159 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: feel unsafe on that subway? Why did Daniel Penny step in? 160 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: Key questions? God, I hope somebody with common sense ends 161 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: up on this jury and saves this marine from this 162 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: absolute app It is. It is appalling what my home 163 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 1: city is doing right now. It is appalling. But here 164 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: we are. Why were they afraid of Neeli quote? This 165 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: is from multiple eyewitnesses. There is no dispute about this. 166 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: Nearly is you know, menace seeing everyone on the subway saying, 167 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: I don't care, I'll take a bullet, I'll go to jail. 168 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: He said he would kill a MF word. I don't care, 169 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: I'll take a bullet, I'll go to jail. He's running 170 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: around shouting in people's faces, the threat that he will 171 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: kill someone on the train and doesn't care if he 172 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: goes to jail. Alvin Bragg, the District Attorney of Manhattan, 173 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: is telling all New Yorkers right now, that's just the 174 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: way it is. That's just going to happen. Deal with it. 175 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: This is what social justice and in the eyes of 176 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: the left, racial justice demands. And you say to yourself, 177 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: hold on a second. The New York City subway. I've 178 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: spent countless thousands of hours in the New York City subway. 179 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: It's one of the most diverse places on the planet. 180 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure if you ran the numbers, one of the 181 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: actually most diverse places on the planet. So the people 182 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: on that train there were black people being threatened, Hispanic 183 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: people being threatened, Asian people being threatened, White people being threatened, 184 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: and other races. I mean, we could list, you know, everybody, 185 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: that's the New York City subway system. Oh but because 186 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: of the elements here that you have an individual, the 187 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: perpetrator of the threats here is black. The Democrat Party, 188 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: Alcasio Cortes and many others take a very specific stance 189 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: on this, which is that there must be some form 190 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: of racism involved here. This is racist. It was a lynching. 191 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: Aana Presley said, you remember that a lynching? As though 192 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: this former marine no criminal history, done nothing, but what 193 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: honorably serve? What's the problem here? How is he a 194 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: threat to society? Ask yourself this? What is the message 195 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: the justice system is trying to send in New York 196 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: City that Daniel Penny, you are safer, You are better 197 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: off on the New York City subway system. If young men, 198 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: if marines, if people who stand up to serve and 199 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: to say, if they're told by their own government, local 200 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: government in this case, sit down, shut up and take it, 201 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: or we will lock you up in a cell. Does 202 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: that make you safer? Do any of you who actually 203 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: go to New York, live there, travel there, work there. 204 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: Any of you feel safe for knowing that the next 205 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: good samaritan, the next individual who tries to do something, well, 206 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: maybe they've gotta lock him up. Forty four arrests. How 207 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: long did how long did Jordan Nearly really serve in prison? 208 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: You ever asked that question? Forty four arrests. Daniel Penny, 209 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: the former marine. He faces fifteen years in prison. Now 210 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 1: fifteen years for this circumstance, for the situation. Understand that 211 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: the message is being sent to all of us across 212 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: the country. Democrats control things. You can't defend yourself. That 213 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: is now the rule. You are not allowed submit, submit 214 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: to the criminals. Let them steal from your store, Let 215 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: them rampage through your your restaurant or your your deli, 216 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: your market, let them, you know, burn your gas station down, 217 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: you try to do anything, and they'll step in and 218 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: they'll decide that you are the bad person. It's it's 219 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: quite a form of authoritarian obedience training we're all going 220 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: through right now. And I think I hope there's enough 221 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: of a national outcry about this that perhaps this will 222 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: become a turning point that will become a moment that 223 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: everybody realizes what's really going on here. 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We were 262 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: just talking here about the charges that Daniel Penny, a 263 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: former Marine bass for the death of Jordan Neely on 264 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: the New York City subway system and this I would 265 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: want to remind everybody. We're getting a lot of calls 266 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: about this, and we want to get some of your calls. 267 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: People with expertise and self defense and firearms instruction and 268 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: former law enforcement. 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So please do give us a call eight 273 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: hundred two eighty two to eight eight to two, And 274 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: I would just say that I want to make the 275 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: case to you also when we come back, that this 276 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: is really a deeply rooted philosophical division between the left 277 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: and the right, and it doesn't have to be this way. 278 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: What you see happening, not just in New York, what 279 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: you see happening in New Orleans and Baltimore, in Chicago 280 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: and San Francisco and Portland. It doesn't have to be 281 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: this way. These are choices, just like the border, choices 282 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: have been made and we are suffering. 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Under the circumstances, you would think that he's 307 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: not going to get the higher end of the if 308 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: he's found guilty, which is a huge if. And I 309 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: don't even think that under the circumstances charges here are warranted. 310 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: But we'll discuss this more in some detail. I know 311 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: a lot of you have called in about it, because 312 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: I want to explain what I mean by when I 313 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: say that there are choices being made and that this 314 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: isn't just a thing that happens. You know, isn't it 315 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: so interesting when it comes to trying to take guns 316 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: from people, and they've effectively declared New York a gun 317 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: free zone for the law abiding. If you're a law 318 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: abiding person, and I became pretty familiar with the law 319 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: in New York City around this because I was lived 320 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: there for over thirty years. You can get a premise 321 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: permit if you jump through a bunch of annoying hoops 322 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: and wait six months or nine months or maybe longer. 323 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: But to have the handgun in your home, it also 324 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: has to for you to be legally compliant, be locked 325 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: with a trigger guard on it, a trigger lock rather 326 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: in the lock box, so it's lockbox with a trigger 327 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: lock on the gun, and your ammunition has to be 328 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: in a separate lockbox. Maybe they've changed them these rules 329 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: in the last year or two, but that was the 330 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: rule for a long time. So the good news is 331 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: during a home invasion, you could throw your gun safe, 332 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: maybe as a projectile, at the person you know standing 333 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: there with a machete threatening to murder you and steal 334 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: all your stuff. You know, you do have a projectile 335 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: handy with the gun safe that you have to keep 336 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: your handgun in with the trigger guard on it and 337 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,719 Speaker 1: a lock on it. So that's the best that New 338 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: York City could offer you. You can get a concealed 339 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: carry permit if you're connect and important. I was never 340 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: connected and important enough to get one, So there you go. 341 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: Very very few people overall in the city could have them. 342 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: So these are all choices that are being made, all right, 343 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: what does it look like when different choices are made? Well, 344 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: I bring you a story. I was mentioning how they'll 345 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: talk about other countries and if they don't have the 346 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: gun violence that we do, and you say, well, every 347 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,719 Speaker 1: country it is different. But look at a country like Japan, 348 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: for example, look at Tokyo. Basically, no murder, doesn't it 349 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: almost doesn't exist there. There's a handful of murders and 350 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: it's people that know each other. It's usually a domestic 351 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: dispute or something. It's just not a daily reality of 352 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: life in Japan. Now they often cite Japan, it's see 353 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: there's no gun violence there. Well, there's also really no 354 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: violence there. So that's interesting, isn't it. So it is 355 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: possible to live in a large, modern, sophisticated country where 356 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: violent crime is essentially a non factor. It will always exist. 357 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,959 Speaker 1: Human beings are imperfect. Evil will be with us, right, 358 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 1: there's always going to be. All of us are capable 359 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: of violence, all of us are capable of doing the 360 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: wrong thing in the wrong circumstances. But by the numbers, 361 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: by the data, it is possible to live in a 362 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: place where you don't really have to be concerned about 363 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of you are living in safe parts 364 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: of America, by the way, where you're not concerned. You 365 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: know you live in a safe area. You live in 366 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: a particularly if you live in and have a rural 367 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: area and it's very, very low crime. You know, it 368 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: used to be funny. I remember I'd go visit my 369 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: grandparents in Dutchess County, and you know, they had a 370 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: place up in the Hudson Valley on twenty twenty some 371 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: odd acres any other horse farms nearby, and at night, 372 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: I thought that was scary. I think there's one murder 373 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: in Duchess County a year or something. I mean, it's 374 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: a really, really safe place. And I'd come back to 375 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: New York City. Oh gosh, it's safe here. I'm back 376 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: in New York City. You know, it's all about perception. 377 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: But I want to talk to you about what's happened, 378 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: and it really is. It's a miracle, but it's all 379 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: so common sense. So it's a it's a miracle in 380 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: terms of results, but it is rooted in the most 381 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: basic realities that we all face day to day with 382 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: criminal justice and public safety. The country of El Salvador 383 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: is a very small country in Central America, and to 384 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: give you a sense of how things were going there 385 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 1: less than a decade ago, in twenty fifteen, there were 386 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: at about six thousand, seven hundred murders there and that's 387 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: you know, the official estimate. But let's let's call it. 388 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: Let's call it sixty Let's just say sixty seven hundred murders. 389 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: I think the official number I'm seeing here six thousand, 390 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 1: six hundred and fifty seven. So six hundred and six, 391 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: six thousand, six hundred, over six thousand. There we go, 392 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: over six thousand murders. All right, Now, you'd say, oh 393 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: my gosh, that's that's that's an astonishing it was. It 394 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: was the for a non war zone, the highest murder 395 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: rate of any country in the world that year. So 396 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: not including wars where you have tens of thousands of casualties, 397 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: it's only a country of six million total. So the 398 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,959 Speaker 1: entire population of El Salvador, it's interesting, is close to 399 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,640 Speaker 1: the population of New York City, were there are six 400 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: million people in El Salavador, about eight point five million 401 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: in New York City, and in twenty fifteen there were 402 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: six thousand plus murders in El Salvador. I want to 403 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: ask you right now, how many murders do you think 404 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: have occurred in El Salvador over the last three hundred 405 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: and sixty five days. Zero? Zero. President Bukeli of El Salvador, 406 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: who is a figure that people are beginning to know 407 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: all over the world and they should. Key has officially 408 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: said on his Twitter account, and it's been written about 409 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: on the news that that country went from over six 410 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: thousand murders a year to under his tenure zero. He said, 411 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: how do you do that? Well, now, I know some 412 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: of you who grew up in New York like I did, 413 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 1: and remember that there were two two hundred murders in 414 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: New York in nineteen ninety maybe it was nineteen ninety 415 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: one that you remember. Well, that didn't get down to zero, 416 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: but it did get down to below three hundred. And 417 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: you might say, well, buck, hold on a second. The 418 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: murder rate in New York City is still low. Oh, 419 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: but it's going in the wrong direction. It has been 420 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: escalating as a percentage rapidly in the last few years. 421 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: An overall crime has escalated rapidly. By the way, here 422 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: is here is the president of El Salvador, bou Keley, 423 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 1: saying this play clip twelve. 424 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 3: Our government has now reached three hundred and sixty five 425 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 3: days without a homicide, the equivalent of an entire year 426 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,719 Speaker 3: without a single murder. This is an unprecedented achievement in 427 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 3: our history. It has not been easy, especially for a Salvador, 428 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 3: which was once the most violent country in the world. 429 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, with the territorial control planning, the rates 430 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 3: of violence filled drastically, and they fail even further when 431 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 3: we began the war against the gangs. The Salvador today 432 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: is undisputedly the safest country in Latin America. 433 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: From the most violent country in the world to in 434 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: a handful of years, the safest country in Latin America. 435 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 1: How do you do that? How do you do that? Well, 436 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: you decide that people who are preying on their fellow citizens, 437 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: who are violent, who are drug traffickers, who are rapists, 438 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: who are who are you know, robbing, people who are 439 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 1: doing home invasions, all of the different gang related activity there, 440 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: all of that is encompassed in what we're just talking about. 441 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: You say enough, you say I'm sorry. This isn't Actually 442 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: you don't say I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. We are 443 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 1: going to lock up everyone who thinks that they're allowed 444 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: to do this. They're going to lock them up. That's fascinating, 445 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: isn't it. Now. I know some of you are gonna say, well, 446 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: there's been there's been a huge migration from Central America, 447 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: and some of the criminals, no doubt, have come to 448 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: other countries, including the US. Sure, but I'm not saying 449 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: it's a He dropped the murder rate by ten percent 450 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 1: or even fifty percent from six thousand to zero. How 451 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: do you do that? You decide that law and order 452 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: is more important. Oh, and by the New York Times, 453 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: The New York Times is reading their write ups to this. Oh, 454 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: but there are concerns about the human rights of you 455 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: is by the police, and the prisons are very crowded. 456 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: And doesn't it all kind of sound like stuff we 457 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: end up hearing from the BLM left in this country, 458 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: from the Democrat abolish the police side of the argument, Oh, 459 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: the prisons are too crowded, we need to let people out. 460 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: Oh the system is unfair. Well, I think the people 461 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: of El Salvador right now, o country. We don't spend 462 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: a lot of time in this country really thinking about 463 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: very much. I'm sure they're happy that they can walk 464 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: around in the street and no longer worry about being 465 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 1: in the middle of a gang war that was killing 466 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of people every single year in a 467 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: very small country. It is possible to make the society 468 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: you live in safe, but you have to have the will. 469 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: You absolutely have to have the will for this. You 470 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: have to make sure that you understand what the trade 471 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: offs are going to be and what has to be done. 472 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: Under the category of get them while you can. 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I think it's an interesting 507 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 1: case study for what can happen when a society fully 508 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: mobilizes against crime and has had remarkable success. New York 509 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: City did this. New York City in the nineties mobilized 510 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: again in the mid nineties under Giuliani mobilized against crime 511 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: and the NYPD was backed up and allowed to do 512 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: its job. And it changed the city that I lived 513 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: in and we all felted millions of us every day. 514 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: It was safe. It wasn't perfect, but it was safe, 515 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: and if something bad happened, people were outraged by it. 516 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: They weren't like, oh, well, that just happens here. That's 517 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: the mentality that seeps in in places over time. San Francisco, 518 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: they're making a different choice out there. Then, Let's say 519 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: Al Salvador is about law and order. I'll bring you 520 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: up for speed on that in a second. We've got 521 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: Scott in New York is a firearms instructor for Scott, 522 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for calling it first. Is it still the rule 523 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: for premise permit of New York City that it's in 524 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: a lock box with a trigger lock on it or 525 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: have they changed that one if you. 526 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 4: Have a premise permise, Yes, but after the Brewin decision 527 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 4: last year and the new concealed carry improvement, Act. Here 528 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 4: in the People's Republic of New York, you actually do 529 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 4: have the ability to get a carry permit, although with 530 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 4: all the restrictions you really can't carry it anywhere then 531 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 4: walking down the middle of the street while you walk 532 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 4: your dog. 533 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Times Square is a gun free zone. I'm 534 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: sure I've taken photos of the sign just so people 535 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: know I'm not making it up, because you know, when 536 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: the criminals see that sign that says gun free zone, 537 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: they go, well, now I'm not bringing my gun in. 538 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 4: We could do three hours on the gun laws here 539 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: in New York State. It's insane. 540 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: Sorry, you want to talk about Penny though, Go ahead. 541 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, So when when when I teach the concealed carry class, 542 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 4: we have to cover the New York State penal law 543 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 4: Article fifteen. And you know, I agree with you that 544 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 4: New York State and the left in general doesn't understand 545 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 4: or believe in the concept of self defense or standing 546 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 4: up to defend others. Right, the government's supposed to protect us, 547 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 4: and when they don't know, well to bad. I think 548 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 4: that the issue here with him, though, is that you 549 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 4: know Article fifteen talks about use of deadly physical force 550 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 4: and the circumstances in which you can use it. And 551 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 4: so if somebody were if this guy had pulled out 552 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: a knife on the train, and and and he had 553 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 4: and the marine had a and he was waving the 554 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 4: gun in front me to kill people. And he drew 555 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 4: the gun and pointed it at him and said drop 556 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 4: the knife, and he refused to drop the knife, and 557 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 4: came at him with the knife. He would be justified 558 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 4: in using deadly physical force to stop him because his 559 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 4: life was still in danger or other people's lives were 560 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 4: still in danger. If he pulled out a knife, and 561 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 4: he pulled out his gun, and he pointed the gun 562 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 4: at him and said drop the knife, and he dropped 563 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 4: the knife. He now can't shoot him because it's no 564 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 4: longer a threat to his life or other people's lives. 565 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 4: And I think the crux of this is going to 566 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 4: come down to when he had him in that hold 567 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 4: and he stopped moving, what should he have done at 568 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 4: that point? Should he have been able to recognize that 569 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 4: and release him and then tie him up or restrain 570 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 4: him or whatever else, Or the fact that he continued 571 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 4: to apply that hold, which ultimately led to his death. 572 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 1: And look, I'm you know, and you know, can I 573 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: just say I think you're I think your assessment obviously 574 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: you do this professionally. Everything you're saying tracks, and I 575 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: agree with what you're saying in terms of how this 576 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: is gonna how this is gonna play out, and what 577 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: the legalities. You know, I'm down here, for example, right 578 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 1: now in Florida, where there's standard, there's more. Some states 579 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: are more protective of self defense than others. Right New 580 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: York Is I mean you, the thing you laid out, 581 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: guy with a knife is gonna run and stab. You're like, 582 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: if you can't shoot that guy, I mean you, you 583 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: know you can't defend yourself in any context at all. 584 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,880 Speaker 1: But your point, I think about the continued application of 585 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: force once the threat is neutralized. That is critical here, 586 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: and I'm sure this is what's going to be in 587 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: part adjudicated. 588 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:44,799 Speaker 4: Right. 589 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,440 Speaker 1: It's one thing to say this was a lynching. That's 590 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 1: a lot and I think that's what a lot of people, 591 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: including myself, have reacted really with anger to clearly Penny 592 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: to just pick this guy out and say I'm gonna 593 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: kill this guy because I'm a racist, and that's what 594 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: the left was trying. Hold on one second, but then 595 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: on on the application of a choke hold, you do 596 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: get into Okay, he choked him out. If this comes 597 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,240 Speaker 1: down to Penny, choke this guy out and the moment 598 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: that he should knew or should have known, this guy 599 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: was no longer a threat. You know, if his body 600 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: goes limp, you do have to let him go at 601 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: that point. And if you continue to apply to pressure 602 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 1: to his neck, now he's applying possibly lethal force to 603 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 1: a situation where there is no threat. So I can 604 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: see how legally that could be a problem. But that's 605 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: the part of this that I think has to be 606 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: adjudicated and looked at very very closely well. 607 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 4: And we talk about the reasonable person test when it 608 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 4: comes to self defense and use of deadly force. The 609 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 4: unfortunate problem that we have in New York, which goes 610 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 4: to the other issue, is the reasonable person. We usually 611 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 4: point to the juror, what would a juror believe they 612 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 4: would have done under those circumstances, and they're the reasonable person? 613 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 4: Is now that a passed judgment on you. The problem 614 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 4: that we have in New York and our jury poll 615 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 4: is that the vast majority of the people in the 616 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 4: jury pool aren't necessarily going to fall into that reasonable 617 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 4: person category that you or I might be under those circumstances, right, 618 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 4: Because if they can't ever think of themselves being in 619 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 4: that situation, and what would they have done under the circumstance. 620 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 4: If their attitude is woo, I wouldn't have gotten involved 621 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,399 Speaker 4: in the first place, then everything he did after that 622 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 4: is now unreasonable in their minds. 623 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: I think, and I think this is we're actually running 624 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: into a break now. Thank you so much Scott for 625 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: calling in excellent insight here. I would just say, there's 626 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: video of them trying to turn him over, revive him. 627 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 1: I mean, he clearly didn't intend to kill nearly the 628 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: initial use of force I think is justified. Did he 629 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,720 Speaker 1: have to let go sooner? That's the question.