1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: If you thought four hours a day, hundred minutes a 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: week was enough, think again. He's the last remnants of 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: the old Republic a sole fashion of fairness. He treats 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the rich 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: pill poppers in the penthouse, to clearinghouse of hot takes 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: break three for something special. The Fifth Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now in the air everywhere as we 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: are back at it. A new weekend is upon us, 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: and we are glad you have found your way into 10 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: the podcast world. We are not restricted by the Federal 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Communications Commission because this is only available in the podcast format. 12 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: A spinoff of the Ben Maller Shaw Heard five nights 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: a week syndicated on Fox Sports Radio through My Heart 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: all over the United States and a hundred and sixty 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: five countries and ships at sea all over the globe. 16 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: There because the American Forces Network. But this podcast is 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: an interview podcast, and we are joined this weekend. Amazingly, 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: I thought he wasn't gonna be here, but David Gascon 19 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: in the house for these own ten sound effects. If 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: he makes his way to the Mincros final, I mean, 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: I got people that are here and near and dear 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: to my heart. You've got some fan boys and boot 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: liquors and sicko fans on the overnights. So it's a 24 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: it's a perfect comment. I have people that respect quality radio. 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: That's it. That's all that. Nothing more than that, nothing 26 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah, they call it fanatics. Maybe if 27 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: you were good, you'd have something. Maybe that I got that. 28 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: I got lovers, that's all I got. I'm I'm excited 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: about this guest today. We um, well, that really gets 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: a friend of the podcast, friend of the part. We 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: don't do guests. We have friends of the podcast people 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: we like, people we want to talk to. And I 33 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: figured like we we need to get back to our 34 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: roots because now I love Dave Parker and that was 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: great and flashback to my childhood with Dave Parker. But 36 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: I love talking radio. You know the business of radio. 37 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm a radio nerd, and I love 38 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: the great people that are on radio that do such 39 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: a great job and having some of them on and 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: people we know, and we are excited because not only 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: do we get to talk to a colleague at Fox 42 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: Sports Radio on the weekends, but also a guy I've 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: known since I was a kid. I started in radio 44 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: and I was nineteen years old and this guy was 45 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: one of the big stars at the at the mighty 46 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: six ninety when I started, and I didn't intern on 47 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: his show. I interned on Lee Hacks on Hambleton's show. 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: But we're talking about Steve Hartman, the man that has 49 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: been the loose cannon of Southern California and syndicated radio 50 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: for forever pretty much, right going back to the late 51 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: eighties early nineties. He's been on on radio and so 52 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna catch up with Steve, which I'm 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: excited about because a lot of stories with Steve, and 54 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: Steve's been on television and radio and done it. Had 55 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame crew. He's actually in Uh maybe 56 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: we'll bring this up. Maybe maybe not, but he's in 57 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: the Southern California Jewish Sports Hall of Fame. And it's 58 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: funny because Arnie Spanier he's trying to get into that 59 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He's very upset that he's not in it. 60 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: We've had Arnie on the podcast and uh, I'm not 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: in it either, But Steve's in there. He's a Hall 62 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: of Famer. He had a verified bona fide Hall of 63 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: Famer here. Yeah, he's joining us right now. He's a beast. 64 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: I So I worked as an intern for him back 65 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: in the day, back when I was at San Diego Stand. 66 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: I think it was like two thousand four, two thousand five, 67 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: and and I was one of those loggers. I don't 68 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: know if you you did this back in the day, Ben, 69 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: but I had a log tape, and this is when 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: they did tape to tape editing. So whenever I was 71 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: given a cassette tape or a VHS tape, i'd had 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: to log the time from when like let's just say 73 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 1: it's Major Baseball, I don the lot of the time 74 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: from when a pitch was thrown to one the pitch 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: or the play was over with. So I had logged 76 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: times so when they did their television spots that they'd 77 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: be you know, enough time in there for when they 78 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: had obviously sound on tape. So I was logging all 79 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: the buroll for them. So I knew Steve only from 80 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: Afar because everyone said he was pretty much like the 81 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: class nerd. He was just like in and out, perfectly 82 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: parted hair. It was loud, he was he was just 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: he was just that guy, and uh, pretty surreal to 84 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: all of a sudden fast forward the clock a decade 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: and a half later and I get to be working 86 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: with him. That's pretty cool. And Steve is authentic. You 87 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: know some of these guys in radio and I'm pretty 88 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: quiet off the off the radio, guess and I'm pretty reserved. 89 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: But Steven, he's he's non stopping and he doesn't look 90 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: like it. That's I know he works every day and 91 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: but it's just his personality. I try to kind of 92 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: wind down and but he he does not. He does 93 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: not believe in winding down. Enough of that, let's welcome 94 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: in the man, the mid the legend fs R colleague. 95 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 1: He's doing morning drive in San Diego. But he is 96 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: the ultimate loose cannon, a man who has seen and 97 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: done everything, Steve Hartman. So, Steve, it's great to have 98 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: you on. We've been trying to get you on the podcast. Actually, 99 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: Guesscott hasn't been trying to get anyone on the podcast. 100 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: But let me begin with this. Now, you've had many 101 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: great accomplishments. You've covered Super Bowls, all Star games, You've 102 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: interviewed the biggest name in biggest names in sports. So 103 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: where does this appearance on the Fifth Hour podcast rank 104 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: in your hierarchy of career accomplishments. Well, this doesn't take 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: a lot of thought then, because it is absolutely at 106 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: the top. And let me say for the record, we 107 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: make this perfectly clear for the record. And I say 108 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: this in one honestly, and I've said this from the 109 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: first time I've barked Ben Mallor on the radio. Ben 110 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Mallor is the best at what he does. Now, you 111 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: can qualify it that in any way you want, but 112 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: I believe that Ben Maller is the best at what 113 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: he does. And I just want to state that for 114 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: the record, so twisted anyway you want, you do what 115 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: you do better than anyone else. That's it, period, exclamation 116 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: point wow. As a ring endorsement. As you know, Steve, 117 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: I started at the station you started. I was just 118 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: a merely know lowly intern at Extra Sports six ninety 119 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: and the Mighty six ninety and I interned for Hacks. 120 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: We've had Hacks on the podcast a couple of times. 121 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: But I remember i'd get there early because I was 122 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 1: a radio nerd, Steve, and I would see you in 123 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: check Fordy doing your thing. They're doing the show and 124 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: I love the vibe and that whole thing. And obviously 125 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: I've gotten into the business all these years and been 126 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: in it and whatnot period. But what was it like? 127 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: I want to know before I got there. I saw 128 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: what it was like when I got there a few 129 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 1: years after the station had launched. But what was it 130 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,359 Speaker 1: like when you guys first went on the year and 131 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: launched that thing? Alright? So ben I, I mean, I 132 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 1: don't want to go ahole history listen, but we have time. 133 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: It's a podcast. So um As you know, back in 134 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: the eighties, I was working as a PR guy for 135 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: the l A Raiders. I had no interest in being 136 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: a broadcaster that I thought about being a broadcaster. You know. 137 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: I was working as a PR guy and I got 138 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: frustrated because Al Davis wouldn't give me a raise to 139 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year. This is literally why I 140 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: quit the Raiders. As I asked. I wrote a letter 141 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: to Mr Davis saying, you're you're paying me twenty four thousand, 142 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: three hundred dollars. I'm doing a cropload of work paying 143 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: me the thirty thousand, he said, thousand, we are five 144 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: and tenders yere, you want me to give you a raise. 145 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: That was enough done finished. I took a non sports 146 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: job for four months. I had seen the movie Wall 147 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: Street one too many times and I was convinced I 148 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: was working for Gordon Gecko and I was Bud Fox. 149 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Four months later I quit that job, so I was 150 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: back at ground zero. And as you know then, my 151 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: radio career actually started at this little k Fox radio 152 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: with my mentor but for Willa. But for my whole 153 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: career is due to a man named but for Willo, 154 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: the steam Namer, long time newspaper radio guy in Los Angeles. 155 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: He took me under his wing when I was twenty 156 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: years old. He said, you're freaking kid. I don't know 157 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: how you retained so much crapp in her head that 158 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: I could use you. So I was working at this 159 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: little radio station k Fox when but got contacted by 160 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: a man named John Lynch. And it was amazing to 161 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 1: me because this John Lynch was in San Diego. He 162 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,599 Speaker 1: had the station six. It was the flagship of the Chargers, 163 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: and they had an afternoon radio guy named Lee Hacks 164 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: on Hamilton's. And I've never heard of Hacks. So you know, Ben, 165 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: how it is if you don't understand that's from the 166 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: southern California standpoint. There are three distinct markets. There's l A, 167 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: they're Sandy, Orange County, and they're San Diego. The well 168 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: events of San Diego sports in l A is no 169 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 1: different than Buffalo. There is no relevance of San Diego 170 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: sports in Los Angeles. So I've never heard of this 171 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: hacks I guy. So but calls me and he says, look, 172 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: listen to this actor. You can hear the signal up 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: in LA. So I'm listening the first time I hear HACKSA. 174 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: I called back, but he goes, what do you think 175 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: I said? I literally count of twelve things this guy 176 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: made up, completely made up, Like there's he's he's stating 177 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: things on the air that are not true. I mean, 178 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 1: absolutely not true. So we went down to do an 179 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: audition show on the weekend, and you can you can 180 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: figure this one out. Then, So we drive down to 181 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: San Diego. This is old Pacific Highway Studios and we 182 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: do a Saturday audition show and Budded lined up all 183 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: these guests and I was gonna do like updates that's 184 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,959 Speaker 1: the bed Folo show, right, And none of the guests 185 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: showed up. It was a catastrophe. I mean it was 186 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: the worst radio show ever. I show I had a 187 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: tape of. This show was an absolute bomb. So we're 188 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: driving back to l Igo whether it goes that opportunity 189 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: in San Diego. But they stayed in touch and the 190 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: next thing you know, I get called down to San Diego. 191 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: They tell me, look, we don't want but we want you, 192 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: and like, what are you talking about? But for a bullshow, 193 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: Well we got this young guy, brad Cess matt Or, 194 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna put you with him. And I'm like really, 195 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,959 Speaker 1: So they hired me and then seven months later Brad 196 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: was out and Chet forty shows up. How much interaction 197 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: do you happen with Chet? Did you have much? Yeah? 198 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: I only met him a few times. It was very nice. 199 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: Uh little guy, right, A little guy remember, and uh 200 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: you know I I talked to him a bit in 201 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: the newsroom with a high speed sports wire in the 202 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: sports tick, right. But yeah, I didn't talk to him 203 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: too much. There's only a few times I talked to 204 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: him back in those days. But he was great. You 205 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: You and Chet were wonderful. He had all here. I 206 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: don't when he was the money. I'm like, yeah, I 207 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: don't like this novice Right, seven months on the radio, 208 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out if this is anything 209 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: I have any interest in doing, and they stick me 210 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: with you know, Chet forty, and I'm thinking, didn't we 211 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: interview him talking about how he was facing a prison 212 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: sentence for federal tax evasion, like he was going to 213 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: go to prison, And now we're gonna hire this guy 214 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: to be my partner. And I remember John Lynch of 215 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: the gather on ran our station, looked at me and 216 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: he goes, you better make this work. And I'm like, 217 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: so my whole career, as short as it was at 218 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: that point, is writing on me trying to figure out 219 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: how to do a radio show with a guy that 220 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 1: he had even less radio experience than I had. So 221 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: we who are really two guys? And then, you know, 222 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: back in those days, like sports talk radio was pretty mild, 223 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: wasn't too much noise going on, but early on Chet 224 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: Night just started screaming at each other like he wasn't 225 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: ready for a young guy to challenge anything he had 226 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: to say. I was like, if you say one more 227 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: stupid thing, I swear to him a knock in tomorrow. 228 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: I mean, we got so heated on the air. All 229 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: I kept thinking is my radio career is going to 230 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: end before even begins. And then there was an article 231 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: in the Union Tribune Dwan in San Diego did this 232 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: glowing review of our radio show. I'm radios think is 233 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: this guy listening to what I'm listening to? And from 234 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: that point on, and of course we got the name 235 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: of loose Cannons from ax Off, who was getting inundated 236 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: with phone calls on his show, which came on after ours, 237 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: the people complaining about our show that these guys are 238 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: off their charts, are ripping the chargers and everything else. 239 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: And he called us a couple of loose cannons. And 240 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: you know how nickname works, and like, you don't give 241 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: yourself a nickname. So somebody called the facts that had 242 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: said this, and the next caller said, hey, loose cannons, 243 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: and that's how it started. I just want like wildfire 244 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: from that point on, so those five years would said, 245 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: it's hard to believe. Now it's going to be twenty 246 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: five years since he passed away, coming up here on 247 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: May eighteen, the team then, is the anniversary of Chet 248 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: passing away. I can't believe that. I can't believe it's 249 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: been that long and you guys did so well, and 250 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: then you've you've kept the Loose Cannons brand going all 251 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: these years. How many different Loose Cannons? I know you 252 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: did the show after Chet passed away, you changed it up, 253 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: and then you went to l A and you did 254 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 1: the show with Victor Brick and Michael Thompson and Pat O'Brien, 255 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: and uh, how many different incarnations have there been of 256 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: the Loose Cannons. Well, let's let's be I I don't 257 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: know if I have any real standing in the history 258 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: of sports talk radio, but I can safely say that 259 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: no one has hosted a show with more co host 260 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: than I have in sports radio history. I mean, I've 261 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: done shows with you who have a Night and on 262 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: his show with in my career, so I guarantee you 263 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: I hold that record without a doubt. But the true 264 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: Loose Cannons after Chet forty was Philly Billy morn Dell. 265 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: Then I came up to Los Angeles and Michael Thompson 266 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: and Victor Brick, and then they got rid of it. 267 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: When I did the National show with Chris Myers, it 268 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: was Myers apartment. I hated that we went back to 269 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: the Loose Cannons and we brought in Paddle Brian and 270 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: then after I went down to San Diego, they brought 271 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: the Loose Cannon brand back that you're not gonna believe this. 272 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: You readed for this, Ben, So I get moved. In December, 273 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: the Morning show in San Diego, the Fox affiliate got 274 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: taken out by budget cuts, so sort of like when 275 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic began, and was sort of like, uh, you know, 276 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna flatten the curve for a couple of weeks, 277 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: I like Boston San Diego said can you just temporarily 278 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: fill in on the morning show. I'm still on the 279 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: morning show and like partners rich Ornberger and John Shaeffer 280 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: who did the afternoon they're still called the Loose Cannons. 281 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:54,560 Speaker 1: What so the lud Cannon so and people are like, 282 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: where's horror? How can you have a show called the 283 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: Loose Cannons without Hartmen? But that's that is right now. 284 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: The afternoon show and I think thirteen six D in 285 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: San Diego is called The Lewis Cannons with rich Overberger, 286 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: John Paper and I'll do on the Morne Show. Oh 287 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: wait wait see see see if I went on I 288 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: went on the podcast. I was I went through the 289 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: thirteen sixty page and I was like, all right, I 290 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: want to see what's going on here and do my 291 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: due diligence. And I saw the Louis Cannon's name, and 292 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: I didn't see your picture, and I thought, well, maybe 293 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: you just didn't want your picture used or something. I 294 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't realize that you weren't even part of 295 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: that show right now. That's crazy. Yeah, it's it's unbelieving. 296 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: People are confused, like and there are people like, have 297 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: you left the stage and I got in there, Oh, 298 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: I'm on the mornings. You know how this works, Yeah, 299 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: he'll got your audience. Then people people have a certain show, 300 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: whether it's the mornings, mid day's, afternoons, late night, whatever 301 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: that they're walking into. They don't necessarily know the entire 302 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: line up at the station. They just know the shows 303 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: that they listened to. And so they're people like you 304 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: know my Twitter at cafase, but too if you let 305 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: the stage, I go, oh, I'm on the morning. I'm 306 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: doing a morning show now for six to nine. So 307 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: it is. It is one of the great revelations though 308 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: Steve and I learned that over the years being in radio, 309 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: that you know, you think you're the most important person 310 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: to somebody's life, but really it's just the time you're 311 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: on they happen to be listening. And if you're not 312 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: there there, you know they they might like you, but 313 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: they're not gonna really most people are gonna go out 314 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: of their way, you know that. It's it's like, if 315 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: you're there, it's convenient, they'll listen. If not, sorry, I 316 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: wonder what happened, but I'll move on. Its crazy today today, 317 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: literally today on our text line during the morning show, 318 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: I've been doing radio for thirty two years now, NonStop, 319 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: thirty two years, much of this time, seven days a week, right, 320 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: And somebody texted me and goes, I've never heard this 321 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: Steve Harpin guy, but I really like what he has 322 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: to say. So yeah, two years somebody today hit in, 323 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: let's see in the morning show saying I've never heard 324 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: this Steve Harpin guy before, but I really like what 325 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: he has to say. Um, I think he's got a 326 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: chance to make it. I think Steve Hartman can have 327 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: a long career in a Hall of fame career in radio. 328 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: That's what I think, yes, I guess I don't think 329 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: it's great. You always think like everyone's followed your entire 330 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: career oligiously. And you know, I've had people Michael Thompson, 331 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: believe it or not, came in our show. I have 332 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: Michael every once in a while, and he was upset 333 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: that we were calling the show loose cannons. He goes, 334 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: we were the original loose Cannons, and I'm like, actually, weren't. 335 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: Michael forty was the original loose Gannon. He got hammered 336 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: on social media. No, you're loose cannon history. Be sure 337 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: to catch live editions of The Ben Miller Show weekdays 338 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: at two am Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports 339 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Be sure to 340 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: catch live editions of The Ben Meller Show weekdays at 341 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: two aim eastern eleven pm Pacific. Guys, I I know 342 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: a little something of something, but I'm gonna make an 343 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: educated guest here, and I'm gonna say that guy that 344 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: made that compliment to Steve was not was not Don 345 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: Martin Martin moment, so I have to go third rails. 346 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: So Steve like it's not been all like smooth sailing 347 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: sun rainbows. You wouldn't Don Martin have had that, You 348 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: guys have gone back in forth in year's rain Well, 349 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about the whole John Martin association. So 350 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: here's what happened, guys. So we were sailing along at 351 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: six ninety quite nicely, and they launched eleven fifty. Then 352 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:38,160 Speaker 1: you're obviously very familiar with the eleven fifty back in seven. 353 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: Yet I'm sorry. In seven they launched Mark. What was 354 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: Marty Mark was going to be the l A counterpart 355 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: at six nine, and this is when JA Corp. Had 356 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: acquired uh the from what was called was our original 357 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: Stations for Dead anyway, you So this require did car 358 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: eventually get swallowed up by Clear Channel. So the idea 359 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: was they had a guy named Jack Evans, and Jack 360 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: Evans was running the show, and he was saying that 361 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: six ninety would be San Diego and eleven fifty was 362 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: going to be l A. And I remember asking, why 363 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: would they stop listening to six nine in l A 364 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: because we had a huge l A Orange cadey audience. 365 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: He goes, they will, Well, I guess what they didn't. 366 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: So we get the two thousand and two and it's 367 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: right around the time of the World Series when the 368 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 1: Angels beat the Giants. I'll never forget this. So I 369 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: had gotten a phone call a couple of months earlier 370 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: from this Robin Berta Lucci, and she was running Camp five, 371 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: but she was sort of overseeing the eleven fifty operation. 372 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,959 Speaker 1: There seemed to be transition, you know, like Dave Smith 373 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: had been let go, and you know some of the 374 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: guys you all know from those eleven fifty days. So 375 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: we were assuming as soon as the season was over, 376 00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: because their contract with the Dodgers was running out, that 377 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 1: that would be end of eleven fifty and at six 378 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: Mammy would just hold as we had been before eleven fifty. 379 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: But I get this phone call from this Robin Berta 380 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: Luci and she says, yeah, could you fill in on 381 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: the afternoon show on eleven fifty this week? And I'm 382 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: like what. So we had our boss, Bill Pew, who 383 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: happens to be the brother of Dan Patrick. Dan Patrick's 384 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: real name is Dan Pew, by the way, as you 385 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: guys know. So anyway, I go to a Bill pe Are, 386 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: our programming guy at six man Ago I get the 387 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: weirdest phone call from this Robin burta Lucien, she wants 388 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: me to do the afternoon show. This will be line. 389 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to overstate my importance, but it was 390 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: sort of like the Clippers calling the Lakers saying, can 391 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: we ball Kobe for a game? You know, like you know, 392 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: just good? He could he work for us, and his 393 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: reaction was sort of like what do you think? I'm like, 394 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: what do you mean? What I think? If you look 395 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: at midday show here? You want me to do the 396 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: afternoon show on that other station will never happened because 397 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: they got into the World Series and everything else. And 398 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: then the day will all remember was the day that 399 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: it was Halloween two thousand two. Billy Wendell and I 400 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: just finished doing our midday show and we finished the 401 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,479 Speaker 1: show and we get called into Bill Pugh's office and 402 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: he tells us that day six nineties dead as we 403 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: know it. We're gonna merge six fifty to create a 404 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: superstation and right now, you guys are not a part 405 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: of it. And I'm like, okay, so what are we 406 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: doing here? When are we going to find out whether 407 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: we're a part of it? He wanted to bring in 408 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: a show he had created down in San Diego, Scott 409 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: and b R, Scott Kaplan, Billy ray Smith. But when 410 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: they notified the l A people, They're like, who the 411 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: hell is Scott and b R? We want Hartman, we 412 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: want the loose Cannons. So I got the call and 413 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: then Philly Billy blindsides me because I thought hard to 414 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 1: keep him on the show. He it's because John Lynch 415 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: our old Bots at six ninety was starting a new 416 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: station that was going to be based in San Diego. 417 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: So the next phone call I get is sort of 418 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: a guy who's just been hired to run the new superstation, 419 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: Don Martin. Don Martin, So I've never met Don Martin. 420 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: I find out that he's engaged to Robin Berto Lucci 421 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: and we're gonna meet and I'll put this way. With Don, 422 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: it was a challenge, no question, and obviously Don has 423 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: had a highly successful career in radio management. But we 424 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: did butt heads. If I didn't like things that were happening, 425 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: I told him, and he didn't always react all that 426 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: well to that. So that's just the way I've been 427 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: throughout my career. I mean, I lived to my loose 428 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: candidate Hannon Monicker, and we had episodes, many episodes over 429 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: the years, we had good times, we had bad times, 430 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: but that the bottom line is this is going to 431 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: happen in any industry, guys. I mean I could give 432 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: you one specific story. It's not exactly a secret story. 433 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: It was a very public story, uh, where Don and 434 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: I had it out at a Dodger game and it 435 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: pretty much cemented our situation. But I'll also tell you this, 436 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: Don Martin when he got back in a position of 437 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: power wanting the network for Fox Sports Radio and no 438 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: hesitance and bringing me back to do the weekend So um, 439 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: the last time I saw it done was at the 440 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: Southern California Sports Broadcasters luncheon. They were honoring VIC before 441 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Uh, and we were cordials. So everything is 442 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: good as far as I'm concerned, and you know Ben 443 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: as well as even Mr Dave gascon If you're in 444 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: this business, if you want to survive in this business, 445 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: you can't be making enemies. You can't be burning bridges. 446 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: If you have disagreements, move on and just get back 447 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: to the business of doing good radio. No, but I 448 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: gotta tell you, see, that's one of the great accompetitions. 449 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: I remember that night and everyone was My phone was 450 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: blown up. Did you hear what happened in the in 451 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: the luxury box a Dodger stadium? No, I didn't hear 452 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: what happened, and everyone had a different version. You know. 453 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: It's like that that phone game where you you you 454 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: passed the message along and all right, here, I'll give 455 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: you a very quick what happened. So here's what happened. 456 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: I was It was a Dodger Yankee game. Okay, so 457 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: the Yankees were at Dodger stadiums. Even know it's a 458 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: massive crowd of Dodgers stadium. I was actually at the 459 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: Dodger game doing television work. So I was on the 460 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: field doing a live shot and I run into Dave Us, 461 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: emotions director and Brian Blackmore, you know, open working for 462 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: the station. So I'm doing the national radio show at 463 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 1: this point, and I don't have a whole lot of 464 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: time in Burbank. Don had just been let go as 465 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: running the Fox Sports radio network the week before, and 466 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: I hadn't spoken to him since. So I asked Wete, 467 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 1: not knowing if Don was going to be at the game, 468 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: whether they had the Sweet there, and we said, oh yeah, 469 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: go down and get some food. So I walk into 470 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: the Sweet and as I'm in the sweet I see 471 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: Don Martin and but he's got his back turn and 472 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: he's getting some food. So I walk up to him 473 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: and I manx us to find out what happened, right, 474 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: And so I walk up to Don and he turns 475 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: around and I said, what's up to mar And he 476 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: looks at me. He goes, if I were you, I 477 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: would turn around and walk out of here right now. 478 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: And I'm looking at him, like, you know, we'll face 479 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: to face, like a why would I do that? He goes, 480 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: I know. And basically what happened was this he was 481 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: blaming Pattle Brian for his being outstit by the network. 482 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: Obviously I had nothing to do it, I had, I had, 483 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: I want no power at all. Zero. All I know 484 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: is is that at the bosses at clear Channel at 485 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: the time, I had decided to flip our show and 486 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: make it really the Paddle Ryan Show again someday I 487 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: had no control over and neither did John Martin. So 488 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: but Don was angry and he took it out on me. 489 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: And it was in front of a lot of people, 490 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people, and so you know, I can't 491 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: I just I can get past all this stuff. It 492 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: really doesn't phase me, but in reality it was. It 493 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: was pretty much the end for me as far as 494 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: working Monday through Friday at the network. And I feel 495 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: fortunate to have continued my career after And it was 496 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: it was just a very unfortunate situation. Steve, does this 497 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: rival in comparison to when you you gas lit a 498 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: colleague of ours a few years ago prior to the 499 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: to the NFL draft. It was the draft that saw 500 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 1: Baker may Field, Sam Donald's, Josh Rosen amongst many others, 501 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: Josh Allen as well, and um, and you decided to 502 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: poke and prod and and spearhead a knife into the 503 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 1: side of Brady Papinga, thus catapulting him into my studio 504 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: ready for a fist fight. Well, first of all, David, 505 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: you I have nothing to do with that. That was you. 506 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: And then let me let me take caskon. Is unbelievable 507 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 1: about that? You talked about revisionist history. I had nothing 508 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: to do with that. Now yet, m I ind antagonist. 509 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: Ben's an antagonist. That's what we do. We if we 510 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: if we see its spark, we put the blowtorch on it. 511 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: And the thing was, I did get Brady for thing 512 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: a former NFL linebacker, a big man, big man really 513 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: agitated with Gascon then you could have he couldn't believe that. 514 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: He literally walks out of the studio, right through the 515 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: control studio, turns the corner into the update studio. I 516 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: didn't get to see the expression on space from where 517 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: I was sitting, said, they do you tell me? It 518 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: was great? He was, He was standing, what do you? 519 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: Brady Pepina is one of like the mellow when I've 520 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: been around him, he's been mellow, and you know, and 521 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,639 Speaker 1: what did you do? What? He he goes from zero 522 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,719 Speaker 1: to sixty and the blink of a NYE, something just 523 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: goes around and h we were talking about Josh Rosen 524 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: and Baker Mayfield, and I said, Josh Rosen has been 525 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: the better quarterback, you know, going through high school to college. 526 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: It's not his fault that he's had an offensive line 527 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: that's just been decimated. He's got no coaching staff. And 528 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, Baker Mayfields had all these thing the riches 529 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: given to him in Oklahoma. And then I had seen 530 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: Josh Rosen in high school and in college, and I 531 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,239 Speaker 1: knew Brady didn't monitor him like growing up. So he 532 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: thought like Rosen was aloof and all these other things, 533 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: and I pretty much said, like, you don't know what 534 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: the hell you're talking about. And then we come back 535 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: from break and he tries to start undressing me, saying, 536 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: you don't know what defenses are, you don't know how 537 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 1: to read coverage, and they starts asking me all these things, 538 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: and I started answering on the air, but Steve continues 539 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: to like poke at him on air. And then right 540 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: after that he came into the into the studio on 541 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,959 Speaker 1: break and he got my face and I got right 542 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: up at him too, and um and yeah, well and 543 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: by the way, when he got back in study, I 544 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: totally backed him up. You know that I wasn't gonna go. 545 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: You were you were, you were gone. You were happy 546 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,719 Speaker 1: to me at that point, David, that's that point. I 547 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: was all Papa, Steve. And now the one thing that 548 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: we'll get behind you on is despite the fact that 549 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: you're a couple of years older than both been in myself, Um, 550 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: you look like a forty year old man with you 551 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: look better than than I do. I know that, Steve. 552 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: But it's amazing and so I believe and you have 553 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: not you know, you've got a little. Uh Like. I 554 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: was telling a friend I was watching on TV, and 555 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: I said, you know, he's kind of become like he 556 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: Jim Hill. You know, Jim Hill hasn't aged at all, 557 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: exactly Hill five by tied for twelve years. So that's 558 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: the whole point. Another way I learned from Jim Hill 559 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: how to basically freeze yourself in time is what you 560 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,719 Speaker 1: do when Because I was looking the other day at 561 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: a show that we did, Jim and I about fifteen 562 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: years ago, and yeah, I have to admit both of 563 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: us pretty much like exactly the same. It's it's it's 564 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: it's amazing for those for those listening that aren't in 565 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: l a. Jim Hill has been on TV since I 566 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 1: was a kid, and he looked exactly the same as 567 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 1: when I was like eight years old watching him on TV. 568 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: And see if you know, as you said, you looked 569 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: the same. So he let you in on the cheek code. 570 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: He let you in on how to not use to 571 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: stop it. Well, the one thing Jimmy used to always 572 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: say to me all the time was keep fooling them, 573 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: keep fooling them. I will say this about Jim Hill 574 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: and just his hair, his frow. So I sat next 575 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: to this man every weekend for twelve years in a row. 576 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: Twelve years in a row. And let's see, Jim now 577 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: is seventy I'm gonna say he's at least seventy three 578 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: years old. But in the years that I sat next 579 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 1: to him, I never saw a single gray hair, not one. 580 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: So I if you know a little touch up that 581 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's it's sort of passable. But it was 582 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: amazing to me. I kept thinking, there's gotta be one, 583 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: Like what right you can see? I can see his 584 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: whole air everything. Never once, Steve, did you never once 585 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: with Jim Hill? Speaking of Jim Hill, did you ever 586 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: enjoy the experience that Jim Ill had at night on 587 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: those party butts? So when I started working with Jim, 588 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: this is in the beginning. So I started working a 589 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: channel two in and I'm a radio guy. I mean, 590 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: I've been doing l A t V now for it's 591 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 1: gonna be twenty three years in June that I've been 592 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: doing l A t V between cbsk CAL and kt 593 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: L A where I'm now, and but I've never looked 594 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: at myself as a TV guy. I'm a radio guy 595 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: who happens to do a weekend gig on TV. It's 596 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: stealing money. I can promise you that anyway. So Jim 597 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: Hill immediately and I we we hit it off. Jim. 598 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: Jim doesn't get buddy buddy with a lot of people, right, 599 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: everyone knows Jim Hill, but he doesn't know everybody. If 600 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: you actually hear him say your name, that's a miracle, 601 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: Like even for me. It took probably a few months 602 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: working on every week before he actually could say Steve, 603 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: Like I mean, he's not great with names. So as 604 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: soon as we hit it off though, we felt like, hey, 605 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,640 Speaker 1: we're pretty good together here. And in those days, Jim 606 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: had the fun Bus. And the fun bus was exactly 607 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: as advertised. It was one of those custom busses like 608 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: celebrities have. You got to have some pretty serious coin 609 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: to get one of those. And he would bring let's say, 610 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: adult entertainment onto the bus with us, so it would 611 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: be like me and a print of his and some 612 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: girls and it was a fun bus. So we did 613 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: this everywhere. I want to have fun times in a 614 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: lot of different places at Jim Hill, and he's a 615 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: really fun guy and knows how to entertain himself. So yes, 616 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: we had quite a few excursions on the fun bus. 617 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: Legendary stories to say the least, huh like Jerry Jones 618 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: party bus, the Jim Hill Fund Bus. I remember seeing. 619 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: I have a great Jim Hill story. I don't think. 620 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've told this before, but we 621 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: were doing a remote at the eleven fifty when when 622 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: I was doing eleven fifty from Bob's Classy Lady out 623 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: in the valley of Strip Club, which they put us. 624 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: They put us they put a sports bar behind the 625 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: Strip Club and they wanted us to get people to 626 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: go to the sports bar. Did not work out very well. 627 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: But we go into you know, after the show, we 628 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: go into Bob's Classy Lady. You know that's we were 629 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: done with our shift and we're you know, enjoying it there, 630 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: and uh, it was. It was so funny because the 631 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: manager had come over and given some some gift cards out. 632 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: And I guess the legend you know, to us, because 633 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: we were, you know, we were the radio guys. But 634 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: I guess the legend is and I don't think this 635 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,239 Speaker 1: is true because I think that was too far from 636 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: where Jim lived. But the legend I heard was that 637 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: they gave him like a gold Card. He was. He 638 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: was yet the Hollywood Tropicana, which used to be right 639 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: across from where CBS was. I remember back back in 640 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: the day, not that I went there, Steve, unless I 641 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: might have gone there a few times. But well, I'll 642 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: put it this way now again, this is no secret 643 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: about Jim and so yeah, he likes adult entertainment. Who doesn't. 644 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: So um, But one night we were out on the 645 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: fun bus and we made we made a stop to 646 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 1: a uh a stript place that I've never seen before. 647 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: I still to this day do not know if this 648 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: place exists, Like it was a private club. We walk 649 00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: in it. Everything was really upscale, like not your typical place. 650 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: And Jim was just classic, like he everybody knows Jim. 651 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: Who doesn't know Jim Hill in Los Angeles. So basically 652 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: he hold them uns to me, just take care of 653 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: my boy Hartman over here. And to say that they did. 654 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: They had like they had like a menu like you 655 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,479 Speaker 1: do you you order what kind of girl you want 656 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: to be in the company of. You know, what kind 657 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: of physical features do you find most appealing? And so 658 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: I made my order and a girl came up to 659 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: me that was so beyond it's like literally ordering a 660 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: Hamburger and you get prime rip, like it was like 661 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: whoa we wah wah yah yah um and and Jim 662 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: took care of everything. And I just remember I was 663 00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: up there, you know, multiple dance of the whole thing. 664 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: I was sudding, hear, hey, hardman, we gotta get going here. 665 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: And of course I was in a fog. I don't 666 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: know where I was at that point. Um, but yeah, 667 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: to be in the company of Jim Hill is rarefied air. 668 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I've I've been insanely fortunate. I seem 669 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: like accident after accident after accident in my career to 670 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 1: be in the company of like really big time people 671 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 1: and just started being dragged along to all their fun times. 672 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: And I've never complained about it. It's always good to me, 673 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 1: always work. I know, I know you gotta go, Steven 674 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes, but I just wanted to 675 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: get a good Al Davis story. I've heard you tell 676 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: the tale about Irwindale and this is this is one 677 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: of my favorite stories. Where the Raiders were for like 678 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: two days gonna move to Irwindale when they were the 679 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 1: l A Raiders. What went on? Give me that story? 680 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 1: It's one of the greats. When when Al Davis went out, 681 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: they had a news conference and what went on with 682 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: that episode, Well, here's here's what happened to Irwindale. So 683 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: if you don't know a Raider history, when the Raiders 684 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: moved to Los Angeles, all kinds of promises are made 685 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: by the Colosseum Commission that they were going to build 686 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,400 Speaker 1: luxury suites. We even had a prototype luxury suite at 687 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,320 Speaker 1: our headquarters in El Segundo. And then the Colosseum Commission 688 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: came under new leadership up and they did the whole 689 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: idea of luxury boxes. They wanted to go with a 690 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: multi level parking lot. I know you guys have been 691 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,720 Speaker 1: with call seem Do you see any multi level parking 692 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: lots that never obviously happened either. So, all of a sudden, 693 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: this guy named Zader her mass Celio Zaber, who is 694 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: Zelia representing the city of Irwindale, had a presentation of 695 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: the idea that they would build a stadium in Erwindale 696 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: for the Raiders. Well, Al Davis's official reaction was no chance. Okay, no, no, 697 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: we're not He didn't even know what Irwin, none of 698 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: us knew where Irwindale was, like, it's north North Okay. 699 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: So what ultimately happened here was is that her Masteria 700 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: came back and said, I tell you what, We'll give 701 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: you ten million dollars non refundable if you just consider 702 00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: our offer. And by the way, you know what happened 703 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 1: with that ten million dollars. That's how we signed both Jackson. 704 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: That's where the money came for the waiters to entice 705 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: Bo Jackson to create a double life as a Major 706 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: League Baseball player and as an NFL player. That money 707 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 1: was probably used for that upgrade that our our stations. 708 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: So yes, we had a press conference out in Erwendale 709 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: to announce the Raiders were probably going to be making 710 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: Irwindale our new home. When the bottom line was he 711 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: had no intention of ever doing this. Ever, that whole 712 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: is still there where they foundation of that stadium. You 713 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: can drive to Irwindale. It's never been filled in. It 714 00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: is absolutely actual. Well I have an update now I 715 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,759 Speaker 1: go by this, do they actually did just recently fill 716 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: it in? Finally finally filled the anycause I've end up 717 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,120 Speaker 1: in Irwindale years. Every time I used to drive up 718 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: there was still big hole. No No, this was in 719 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: the last during the whole COVID thing. The I think 720 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,840 Speaker 1: it was last year. They they go by there on 721 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: my way home and they filled it in finally. But yeah, 722 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: every time I drove by there, I thought of Al Davis. 723 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: And I remember the news conference when somebody showed up 724 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: with an Irwindale Raiders jacket. I still remember, like a 725 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 1: silver Irwindelle Raiders jackett. Listen to me, they're going to happen. 726 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,399 Speaker 1: But once they handed him ten million dollars, he spent 727 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: it immediately, of course, and all left there The following 728 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,560 Speaker 1: year in nine, and I remember telling him. I actually 729 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,120 Speaker 1: did a sit down Mr. Davis, and I said, look, 730 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: I was like the only l A guy there. All 731 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: these guys are people that came down from Oakland originally. 732 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,239 Speaker 1: And I told him flat out, I said, you're never 733 00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: gonna survive in l A if you don't start stepping 734 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,279 Speaker 1: up your game. It's not just about winning games. What 735 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: do you do when you lose games? And then all 736 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's what was happening. We had lost 737 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: about twenty thousand fans poor game after they had won 738 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: that Super Bowl in l A. Because they were losing. 739 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,840 Speaker 1: Nobody l l A is going to support a loser 740 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: and and unfortunately Raiders found out the hard way. All right, Steve, 741 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: we love you, thank you. We gotta have you on again. 742 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,839 Speaker 1: You're wonderful. You're great. I have a million stories. I'm 743 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: just getting started. But Ben, it's always very Mr Gascon 744 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,480 Speaker 1: Love you guys, Ben Keeper. I get to listen to 745 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: you Sunday night. I leave Hollywood at midnight. It takes 746 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: me two hours to get back to San Diego. I 747 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: listened to every second, so shot out to you. That's 748 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: Sunday night into Monday morning. I laughed my ass off 749 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: constantly listening to your show. Best ever. Love you all right, 750 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: the legend, the Great Steve. Be sure to catch live 751 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: editions of The Ben Meller Show weekdays at two am 752 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,320 Speaker 1: Eastern eleven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the 753 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Be sure to catch live editions of 754 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,240 Speaker 1: The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven 755 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: pm Pacific.