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Speaker 1: Hello, I'm Michael, and I'm Scott and I'm Evan Novi Williams.

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Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast, where we

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Speaker 1: explore the big money issues in the world of sports

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Speaker 1: and talk to some of the biggest players in the industry.

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Speaker 1: Happy Labor Day, Thank you. I'm the one in T

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Speaker 1: shirt and shorts. Happy moving day. After well, my whole life, really,

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Speaker 1: I guess I am after today. I am no longer

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Speaker 1: a New York State Residence resident. My residence is changing.

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Speaker 1: I'd like to put this on the record real quick.

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Speaker 1: Scott is moving from New York to New Jersey. Likes

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Speaker 1: to think that he's going to be in the city

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Speaker 1: all the time, and I think he's crazy. So this

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Speaker 1: will be the official record. I think in six months,

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Speaker 1: you're barely coming into the city at all except for work.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, bart, let everybody know, by the way,

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Speaker 1: we're taping this show Friday. To our listeners, I'll be

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Speaker 1: painting on Monday, Labor Day. I will be doing manual labor.

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Speaker 1: You know. I'm moving close by the way. Colin Tipton

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Speaker 1: sitting in from Medina today. I borrow his lawnmower. I

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Speaker 1: enough to let me raise the garage door, which needs repair,

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Speaker 1: by the way, Colin, and then I take it bring

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Speaker 1: it back, lovely lawnmower, you know, one of the easiest

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Speaker 1: You've heard from my son, Jackson, nine years old. Yankster

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Speaker 1: chords starts right up. So thank you very much, Colin.

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Speaker 1: But I'm one of these can we say, schmucks? I'm

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Speaker 1: voluntarily bringing New Jersey Transit and Penn Station into my

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Speaker 1: daily existence. And Evan thinks, you know, because of that,

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Speaker 1: I will no longer be coming to New York. But

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Speaker 1: I cannot set up a life in New Jersey and

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Speaker 1: suddenly the process of getting into this no no, but

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Speaker 1: I will long long even more for my beloved New

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Speaker 1: York and the smell and the hustle and the bustle

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Speaker 1: and the energy and my mish Michael Barr. By the way,

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Speaker 1: we gotta get ahold of Medina because we have a

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Speaker 1: raft for our fantasy football league here at work. She

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Speaker 1: is the twelfth person the twelfth team that has not

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Speaker 1: do it, by default she gets a team full of Jets. Well, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I guess the answer was, no, we can't get to

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Speaker 1: some sports. Well that's that was my segue into sports.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of football, Colin Kaepernick a big victory. Well yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean a big victory in that he gets to

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Speaker 1: proceed to trial. Uh and the NFL starting up soon

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Speaker 1: cannot be happy that here we are still talking about

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Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick and protests during the anthem. And last week

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Speaker 1: we had Arthur Blank on the show and he's of

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Speaker 1: one mind. Yeah, you know the guys, they're they're grown men.

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Speaker 1: They can protest and I won't find them. And just

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Speaker 1: get what I threw in there. At the end, I

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Speaker 1: guess Jerry Jones missed the meeting. We had a nice

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Speaker 1: little chuckle from just a chuckle. He didn't say anything,

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Speaker 1: here we go again. I mean, I was hanging out

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Speaker 1: the issues that are facing them, declining ratings, etcetera. But anthem, anthem,

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Speaker 1: It's September two and eighteen and we're still talking about it,

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Speaker 1: and and specifically about Kaepernick. This was a ruling by

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Speaker 1: that that that a trial should happen. Uh, certainly it's

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Speaker 1: But if not, um, there's gonna be discovery in this trial.

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Speaker 1: This is a tough standard to prove if you're Colin

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Speaker 1: Kaepernick and his legal team. However, just reaching this point

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed the conversation. Great guy, wonderful job at sort

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Speaker 1: can't have mom one of these days. As a reminder

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Speaker 1: to our listeners, when Colin Kaepernick and his legal team

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Speaker 1: It's not like he need it's you know, a document

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Speaker 1: this has never been entertained. Can Colin Kaepernick play in

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Speaker 1: Rather than have a cupcake, We'll play a big time

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Speaker 1: And two, old Man bar here I go, Here we go.

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