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Speaker 2: football coming up tonight, and you have the Colts and

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Speaker 2: the Ravens, the Bengals and the Seahawks, and I think

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Speaker 2: one other game coming up tonight Bengals Eagles and then

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Speaker 2: the Raiders and the Seahawks. So three games coming up

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Speaker 2: tonight and we get to start judging quarterback the preseason.

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Speaker 2: I'm already seeing articles about, oh are the brown setting

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Speaker 2: Shador Sanders up to fail as he opens up his

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Speaker 2: NFL career on Friday night against Carolina. And I was

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Speaker 2: trying to understand the logic behind this, because he hasn't

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Speaker 2: been taking reps as the first string quarterback. He's been

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Speaker 2: with second and third teamers. Well, now he's going to

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Speaker 2: be there with the first teamers against Carolina. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how that sets him up to fail. Now you're

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Speaker 2: with more talented players, players that you might have on

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Speaker 2: your team when you're the starting quarterback at some point

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Speaker 2: during the NFL season. But we're already you know, it's

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Speaker 2: already shifting towards Eh, what happens if you know he

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Speaker 2: doesn't do well in the first game. I think they're

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Speaker 2: making him, not making him. They're having him start because

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Speaker 2: everybody else is injured. I don't know if that's setting

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Speaker 2: him up for failure. You need somebody to play quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Teddy Bridgewater's ready to play. It's a

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Speaker 2: great opportunity for Shirdo or Sanders. I hope he does

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Speaker 2: well and you get to play with the first team

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Speaker 2: and maybe take some first team reps today and get

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Speaker 2: ready for Friday night's game against Carolina. But I don't

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Speaker 2: think he's being set up to fail. Not giving him

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Speaker 2: a chance to play would be setting him up to fail.

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Speaker 3: If he can play, hopefully he'll showcase that.

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Speaker 2: Coming up on Friday night, we'll explore some of the

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Speaker 2: other football matchups and battles going on in preseason. Our

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Speaker 2: good buddy, Ross Tucker will stop by eight seven to

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Speaker 2: seven to three. DP Show email address Dpatdanpatrick dot com,

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Speaker 2: Twitter handle the DP show operator Tyler sitting by. He'll

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Speaker 2: take your phone calls. By the way, we did talk

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Speaker 2: about the smelling salt. Is it a smelling saltgate that

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Speaker 2: we elect to throw gate? We attach that to a

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Speaker 2: lot of different things. When there's a controversy. The NFL

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Speaker 2: is saying you can't use smelling salts on the sidelines.

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Speaker 2: You can bring your own, but they want to take

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Speaker 2: away the liability I believe of smelling salts, and they're

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Speaker 2: worried about what it does. If you've had a concussion

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Speaker 2: there and play. But it's bring your own smelling salts

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Speaker 2: to the sidelines. Yes, Ton, it didn't pass the smell

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Speaker 2: test for the NFL using four minutes in. I'll give

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Speaker 2: you a bloop. Yes, Paulie, I.

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Speaker 4: Didn't realize how many players used them over the past

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Speaker 4: twenty four hours. It's become a story. So now every

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Speaker 4: local reporter is asking players about it, like different players.

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Speaker 4: There's a player for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It says

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Speaker 4: I use them before every single defensive drive. They're commonplace.

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Speaker 4: You just don't catch them on TV that much, but

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Speaker 2: Weightlifters use these before a big lift. They'll take a

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Speaker 2: hit and then all of a sudden, it's like and

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Speaker 2: then you go. But I was wondering about this that,

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Speaker 2: you know, are they readily available that you can get

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Speaker 2: smelling salts where? I'm not sure. I guess you can

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Speaker 2: order them. But are they worried about kids using them?

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Speaker 5: As it?

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Speaker 2: Is it going to trickle down to you know, Pop Warner.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it feels like the NFL is saying,

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Speaker 2: where you want to remove any liability here, if you

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Speaker 6: Yes, Ston, is this something we should be incorporating into

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Speaker 3: I told Dylan to see if he could order some.

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Speaker 2: Just I don't know if you guys have ever experienced

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Speaker 2: smelling salts. Ooo, Yes, that's going to be the feeling,

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Speaker 2: It is going to you know, there's that Bows speaker

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Speaker 2: sort of the feeling you get when you do smelling salts.

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Speaker 2: I remember doing them in high school playing football, for

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Speaker 3: But you would take a hit that and it's like

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Speaker 3: whow yes, PAULI.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people are speculating that the FDA caused this.

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Speaker 4: The FDA did a report just about a year ago

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Speaker 4: that said different types of these inhaling ammonia products can

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Speaker 4: lead to coughing, airway restriction, eye and those irritation and

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Speaker 4: et cetera. And so the NFL just got this report

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Speaker 4: last year right before the season. Maybe that's what caused

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Speaker 3: Down the front.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it kind of came out of nowhere. But

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Speaker 2: but it wasn't for a concussion. I think it was

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Speaker 2: just getting ready for contact with an Oklahoma drill that

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Speaker 3: Playing high school of football. Oklahoma drill. Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: I love the Oklahoma drill where you're lying on your

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Speaker 3: They called it the Oklahoma drill.

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Speaker 4: So when you play grade school football and you stink

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Speaker 4: and you'd look across and if you saw Richie Alcott

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Speaker 2: question today. I do want to mention there was a

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Speaker 3: Was buying ten percent of ESPN.

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Speaker 2: There's a merger between NFL Network and ESPN, and the

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Speaker 2: there is a conflict of interest. I think we can

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Speaker 2: and maybe you don't, but for me, I worry about that.

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Speaker 2: But you know, this is the old school in me

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Speaker 2: and I'm mention that, you know, are they going to

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Speaker 3: Are they going to cover the NFL?

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Speaker 2: And I didn't mention any names, but there was one

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Speaker 2: person at the mothership, Don Van Nada, who is a

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Speaker 2: He's a very good journalist. He took it personally when

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Speaker 2: this is live radio and I'm saying I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not making a declarative statement. I'm just saying

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, Don Van Nada took it personally

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Speaker 2: I don't. If there's an article, the dan nets will

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Speaker 2: bring it to my attention. Hey, this is I did

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Speaker 2: it out of principle when I left ESPN, like I'm

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Speaker 2: I really it's not part of my morning or routine

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Speaker 2: did a great job. Now I did know that Mike

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Speaker 3: They sent the stories to us.

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Speaker 2: We had them on, we had JC treder On, who

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Speaker 2: Don Benatta said that he was embarrassed for me because

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Speaker 2: the story initially. I don't know if they promoted you correctly. Don,

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Speaker 2: I know that Pablo Torre and Mike Flora Mike Florio

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that you were the person, the originator

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Speaker 2: because I didn't see the article. I said that out loud.

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Speaker 2: and I wasn't talking about you.

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Speaker 2: Personal about me, and you know about being a journalist,

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Speaker 2: I said at the point, I didn't know. And also,

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Speaker 2: that way, you miss what the real point was is

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Speaker 2: is is there a conflict of interest? Like that's the

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Speaker 2: the and by the way, it's not on the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Your expose was on the NFL Players Association. There's a

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Speaker 2: big difference in that. So we've reached out to Don

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Speaker 2: if he wants to join us, great. You may not

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Speaker 2: you call me out, you're embarrassed. Imagine if you did this,

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Speaker 2: you did your article live, because that's what I do

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Speaker 2: every day. I write columns every single day for three hours.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes you make mistakes. And you know by saying

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Speaker 2: that there's not an investigative arm inside ESPN, that's on me.

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Speaker 2: I made a mistake. I know where your office is

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Speaker 2: and you know it's been scaled down greatly. I hope

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Speaker 2: you continue to fight the good fight. Don I hope

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Speaker 2: you and your staff fight the good fight. But now

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Speaker 2: is when you're judged. From here on out, is when

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Speaker 2: you're judged. Covering the NFL not what you did before.

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Speaker 2: Have you like me saying I'm not any good at this,

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Speaker 2: It's about today and tomorrow in the next day. Covering

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Speaker 2: It's a conflict of interest. The perception is a conflict

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Speaker 2: last night, So DraftKings just sent me this show. Heyotani's

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Speaker 2: MVP odds yesterday minus four fifty. His odds now are

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Speaker 2: minus one thousand. It's really hard for him to lose this.

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Speaker 2: But I do think Kyle Schwarber deserves some consideration here.

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Speaker 2: He's not going to win it. He was plus three

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Speaker 2: point fifty yesterday, now he's plus five fifty. Pete crow

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Speaker 2: Armstrong was plus nine fifty yesterday now plus fifteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: It's show Hayo tanis to lose. And if you're pitching

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Speaker 2: like this and now you're ramping up and then you

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Speaker 2: have that weapon in the postseason, it's pretty amazing. And

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Speaker 2: they certainly need him because the Dodgers haven't been as

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Speaker 2: formidable as we expected them to be. And I started

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Speaker 2: to wonder about this with Travis Hunter. I don't know

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Speaker 2: how much offense and defense he's going to play if

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Speaker 2: he's listed as a backup cornerback but a starting wide

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Speaker 2: receiverel like it's going to be flipped when the season starts.

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Speaker 2: But if Travis Hunter doesn't go to Jackson State where

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Speaker 2: he can play both ways and you're playing for Dion Sanders,

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Speaker 2: if Travis Hunter went to Georgia or LSU or Florida State,

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Speaker 2: he might get a sprinkling he wouldn't be playing both ways,

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Speaker 2: but they would go, hey, we're going to put him

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Speaker 2: in a third down package. Big skulls take you, and

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Speaker 2: that's your position.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is going to open the

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Speaker 2: door for more players wanting to try this. I thought

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Speaker 2: Derek Stingley, who played at LSU, could have been a

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Speaker 2: two way player for LSU. But you're getting guys who

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Speaker 2: specialize as a wide receiver and those who specialize as

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Speaker 2: a defensive back. If you don't have Jackson State and Dion,

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Speaker 2: then maybe we don't have Travis Hunter winning the Heisman

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Speaker 2: Trophy because it opened our eyes to hey, he's playing

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Speaker 2: both ways, and then the knock, well it's Jackson State.

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Speaker 2: Then he went to Colorado and he was playing both ways,

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Speaker 2: just like showe. Hey, o'toni. I don't know how many

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Speaker 2: and most of your great players were probably a pitcher

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Speaker 2: and a shortstop that was that's usually the Hey I'm

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Speaker 2: not pitching, I'm playing shortstop. Hey I'm bat in third.

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Speaker 2: And you know there's guys who were great pitchers and

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Speaker 2: they were great hitters in high school and maybe in college,

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Speaker 2: and most of them were. But I don't know if

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a player of players who say, hey,

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Speaker 2: Otani's done it, Travis Hunter's done it. Now, you have

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Speaker 2: to have the talent to do it, and you have

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Speaker 2: to have a coach or a manager who is willing

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Speaker 2: to let you do that. I keep saying, I'd love

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Speaker 2: to see Paul Schemes maybe play, maybe bat, because he

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Speaker 2: was a pretty good hitter. I remember at air Force.

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Speaker 2: I don't know the LSU numbers, but you know you

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Speaker 2: got some guys who were you know, they were great

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Speaker 2: athletes and two way players. I'm sure you know all

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Speaker 2: these great players in college played both ways in high school.

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Speaker 2: So you might have been a running back and a

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Speaker 2: defensive back, or you know you're gonna be a quarterback

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Speaker 2: in a free safety to Daveon Clowney played running back

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Speaker 2: in a high school and defensive end. You imagine him

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Speaker 2: as a running back. Oh my god, no, this is

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Speaker 2: gonna hurt. But watching Otani deal last night and nobody

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Speaker 2: can answer that. I mean, imagine, you can't pitch, and

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Speaker 2: you have one of the greatest offensive single seasons in

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Speaker 2: baseball history. So he can't pitch, but he steals bases,

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Speaker 2: hits home runs, hits for average, and you win the

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Speaker 2: World Series, that's amazing. But do I think Travis Hunter

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Speaker 2: is going to be used on both sides? Yes, but

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Speaker 2: I think sparingly. I think you just have to ease

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Speaker 2: him in and see what he's comfortable, how he adjusts,

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Speaker 2: because in the first couple of weeks and then the

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Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, that's what I'd be curious what

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Speaker 2: he's going to say about the whole experience and how

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Speaker 2: he feels his body feels.

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Speaker 4: He has Paul, But with Travis Hunter, if you're going

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Speaker 4: to do it where he's a two way player more

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Speaker 4: than fifty percent of the time on both sides of

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Speaker 4: the ball, don't you do it now when he's young,

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Speaker 4: when he's fresh and springy, for the lack of a

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Speaker 4: better word, because you think at twenty nine it's going

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Speaker 4: to be one or the other. Twenty eight it's gonna

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Speaker 4: be one or the other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I don't want to burn him out. I

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Speaker 2: don't want to have him get injured. It's a fine

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Speaker 2: line of Hey, people are going to tune in to

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Speaker 2: watch him play both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 4: I look at this kind of the opposite. The Jaguars

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Speaker 4: have him for five years, four or five years. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna use everything he's got for those years, because it's

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Speaker 4: a coin flip whether he's going to have a second

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Speaker 4: contract there or elsewhere. So if you took him, you

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Speaker 4: took him for both the offense, the defense, and the notoriety.

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Speaker 4: And the Dodgers could have gone and said, this year,

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Speaker 4: you know what, we don't want Otani pitching because the

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Speaker 4: guy was the best hitter on earth basically last year.

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Speaker 4: His numbers hitting are noticeably down this year. They're still

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Speaker 4: very good. But I wonder if people, if there's people

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Speaker 4: at the Dodgers to say to themselves, man, I wish

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Speaker 4: this dude would just hit and hit three forty with

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Speaker 4: forty five homewarns and forty steals every year, because now

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Speaker 4: he has I think fifteen or sixteen steels this year.

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Speaker 4: Last year he had fifty nine.

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Speaker 2: What changed, Well, he wasn't pitching, yes, and he was

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Speaker 2: playing every day, and uh yeah, I said, he'll never

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Speaker 2: approach those numbers again because he won't be in the

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Speaker 2: position to They're not going to want him to run

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 4: I wonder though it was Dodger people who would prefer it,

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Speaker 4: But maybe when he made his Dodger contract, and his

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Speaker 4: Dodger deal. He said, I am a two way player.

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Speaker 2: But it's helping him win an MVP Again, He's going

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Speaker 2: to have six or seven MVPs if he continues to

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Speaker 2: hit like this, And you still add in the pitching

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Speaker 2: portion of this. It just there's no one like him now,

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Speaker 2: the value when he's on the mound and when he's

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Speaker 2: at the plate. But go back to the Angels, they said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you can do whatever you want. Because other teams didn't

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Speaker 2: want him to be a two way player, but the

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Speaker 2: Angels did. Now all of you know, there you go.

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Speaker 2: Now you're known as the Unicorn. You're the guy who

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Speaker 2: does the pitching and hitting. He's doing things that are

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Speaker 2: more impressive than Babe Ruth because Babe wasn't doing.

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Speaker 3: Them at the same time.

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Speaker 2: He was a pitcher who won over ninety games and

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden became the greatest hitter in

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Speaker 2: baseball history. Sho, hey, Otani is like I go out

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Speaker 2: to the mound, I can go to the plate as

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Speaker 2: well in the same game. And he's done it a

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Speaker 2: couple of seasons in a row.

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Speaker 2: booth tonight when they host the Bengals. What do you

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Speaker 2: look for in a preseason game?

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Speaker 8: Well, that is a terrific question, Dan, and it really

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Speaker 8: varies from team the team. Specifically for the Eagles, the

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Speaker 8: team I work for tonight, it's kind of rare, I

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Speaker 8: feel like for them to have this many available roles

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Speaker 8: available starting jobs for a defending Super Bowl champion that

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Speaker 8: was as good as they were last year. The starting

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Speaker 8: linebacker job next to Zach Bond is up for grabs,

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Speaker 8: starting cornerback across from Quinnon Mitchell, starting safety next to

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Speaker 8: Reed Blankenship. And then they lost a bunch of d

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Speaker 8: linemen to free agency or retirement. So the third and

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Speaker 8: fourth edge rushers, who as you know, play a lot,

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Speaker 8: the fourth and fifty tackles who play a lot.

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Speaker 5: So that's that's seven of the top.

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Speaker 8: Fourteen fifteen roles for the Eagles number one ranked defense

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Speaker 8: are legitimately genuinely up for grabs starting tonight and what's

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Speaker 8: cool about it is Zach Taylor, the Bengals head coach,

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Speaker 8: says that the Bengals are going to play their starters,

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Speaker 8: Joe Burrow and those guys for a quarter.

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Speaker 5: So fantastic work.

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Speaker 8: For the young Eagles defense and for those guys competing

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Speaker 8: for those jobs to go against Burrow and the starters.

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Speaker 8: And I guess Taylor said they're going to even play

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Speaker 8: more week two of the preseason against Washington, So obviously

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Speaker 8: the Bengals are trying to change things up after going

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Speaker 8: one and eleven the first two games of the season

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Speaker 8: under Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the amazing part of this is certain teams

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Speaker 2: can use the first couple of weeks of the regular

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Speaker 2: season as their preseason. Felt like Belichick and the Patriots

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Speaker 2: did that. The Bengals cannot afford to get off to

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Speaker 2: a slow start again.

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Speaker 3: When you watch rookie quarterbacks, what should we be whted?

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Speaker 8: I think, as much as anything else, it's just do

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Speaker 8: they look like they belong?

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Speaker 5: Do they look comfortable?

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Speaker 8: You can tell when someone's racing, you know, watch their feet,

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Speaker 8: watch their eyes.

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Speaker 5: If their heads all over the place and.

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Speaker 8: They've got happy feet in the pocket, that's not what

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Speaker 8: you want to see in general, you know, I always

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Speaker 8: say is about any quarterback, but especially young quarterbacks. The

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Speaker 8: faster they're getting rid of the ball right from snap

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Speaker 8: to throw, the.

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Speaker 5: Better you should feel about them, because that shows.

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Speaker 8: You that they've done the pre snap work, they've done

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Speaker 8: the preparation, they have a really good feel for where

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Speaker 8: they want to go with the ball.

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Speaker 5: And they get it out quickly. I will say, though,

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Speaker 5: Dan as a caveat right.

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Speaker 8: Most of the preseason, especially for young quarterbacks, very vanilla defenses,

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Speaker 8: and then the coaching staffs are going to try to

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Speaker 8: enable these young quarterbacks to get confidence and be able.

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Speaker 5: To throw the ball their first lead.

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Speaker 8: It's just not like that in the regular season, right,

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Speaker 8: And the Eagles actually have a classic case tonight. Dorian

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Speaker 8: Thompson Robinson will play. He has been fantastic the last

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Speaker 8: two years in the preseason for the Cleveland Browns and

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Speaker 8: then the regular season.

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Speaker 5: I got to look it up before the game to night.

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Speaker 8: I think he has one touchdown eleven interceptions in his

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Speaker 8: four regular season starts.

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Speaker 5: So it's been very, very different.

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Speaker 8: And that's actually a really important point, as at least

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Speaker 8: the preseason football.

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Speaker 5: Some teams just want to put certain.

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Speaker 8: Players Dan in specific situations and see how they react.

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Speaker 8: Some teams want to feature guys to see what they

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Speaker 8: have left, or maybe to try to trade them. Others,

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Speaker 8: you know, they want to try to go into the

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Speaker 8: season with confidence.

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Speaker 5: I mean everybody you know.

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Speaker 8: In the regular season, we know that everyone's game planning

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Speaker 8: to the max to try to win that game that week.

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Speaker 8: In the preseason, there's a lot of different goals that

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Speaker 8: people are trying to achieve, and so you can't really

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Speaker 8: look at the score or even the scheme. But I

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Speaker 8: do think how individual players perform, especially if it's really

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Speaker 8: good or really poorly, I do think that's something to

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Speaker 8: make note of.

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Speaker 2: He's Ross Tucker. He's host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast.

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Speaker 2: He calls games for CBS and Westwood One. Smelling salts.

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Speaker 2: The NFL says no more smelling salts. What was your

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Speaker 2: experience with smelling salts.

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Speaker 8: Well, we didn't have that in college at Princeton, and

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Speaker 8: the first time someone gave it to me in the NFL,

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Speaker 8: nobody told me what it was. They just said sniff

651
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 8: it and Dan, that was a bad experience.

652
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 5: Okay, if you don't know.

653
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 8: What's coming and you just take it and you're like,

654
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 8: oh okay, and you sniff in like that.

655
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 5: I mean I cried. I mean my nose was burning.

656
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 8: I had a really bad first experience, which is probably

657
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 8: why I was.

658
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 5: Never a smelling salt guy.

659
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 8: You know, there's a lot of guys that after that,

660
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 8: you know, they do it, you know, before every game

661
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 8: or sometimes during games. I mean, you've been around me enough, Dan,

662
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 8: Do I look like a guy that needs smelling salts?

663
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 8: Do I seem like a guy that needs little something

664
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 8: extra to get going? The answer is no. And also

665
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 8: I think I was just too much of a wimp.

666
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 8: You know, I had such a bad first experience that

667
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 8: when they would give it to me after that, I

668
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 8: would do one of these, Dan for people watching.

669
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: On peacock or you.

670
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 8: Like, you know, like five inches from my nose, right

671
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 8: I was.

672
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 5: I wasn't.

673
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 8: I was too afraid to get it like real close

674
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 8: to my nose. By the way, supposedly they can need

675
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 8: they can still use smelling salts, the team's just not

676
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 8: going to provide them anymore. So now the players have to, uh,

677
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 8: bring your own smelling salts b yoss to your NFL.

678
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: Games if they're not good for you. Then why is

679
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 2: the NFL allowing you to bring your own?

680
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 8: That's a really good question. I think probably liability. I

681
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 8: don't know, you're right, like, if you're the NFL, you're

682
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 8: liable if you're the one supplying it, if you're the

683
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 8: one handing them out. It's probably the same reason why

684
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 8: they've cut back on a lot of the pain medicine.

685
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 8: They've cut back on some of the injections and shots

686
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 8: guys age and they still do it.

687
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: But man, Dann, when I was playing, you remember viox,

688
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: the anti inflammatory biox.

689
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 3: I loved bios.

690
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, And at some point they came out and said

691
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 8: viox is bad for you. That is information that would

692
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 8: have been very valuable to me in like two thousand Okay,

693
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 8: to come out in two thousand and eight after I've

694
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 8: been taking it.

695
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 5: For eight years, like how does that help me?

696
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 8: And then also with the tourtoll right stuff like that,

697
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 8: that they are a little bit more. I mean, back

698
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 8: when I played, there'd be a line of twelve guys

699
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 8: to get the tourtall shot.

700
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 5: Right, just over and over and over and over again.

701
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 8: Supposedly they've reeled some of that stuff and probably for

702
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 8: good reason.

703
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: Let's tord all do.

704
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 8: Tordal is by far the best full body anti inflammatory

705
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 8: you can ever take. You know, my rookie year, I

706
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 8: saw guys getting shots in their butt right, And I

707
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 8: didn't play as a rookie, so I didn't really even

708
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 8: know what they were doing. I thought it was like Cortizona,

709
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 8: and then someone said, no, it's Tordal.

710
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: Dan, let me just tell you, okay.

711
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 8: Year two, we fly to Osaka, Japan to play the

712
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 8: Niners in the preseason. I'm starting for Washington in the

713
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 8: preseason game. After the flight, first practice, I get I

714
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 8: hurt my neck. I sprained my neck. I can't leave

715
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 8: the hotel room. I'm miserable. Before the game, I go

716
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 8: up to the Redskins team doctor and say, hey, I

717
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 8: need one of those shots in my butt. And they

718
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 8: said it's a preseason game, we didn't even bring one.

719
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 8: I said it is. I'm trying to win a starting job.

720
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 8: This is like the most important game of my life.

721
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 8: So the Redskins team doctor goes over to the Niners,

722
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 8: gets a toward doll shot from them, puts it in

723
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 8: my butt. Dan, I played unbelievable. I played unbelievable. I mean,

724
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 8: that's like the best I ever played. So I will

725
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 8: say this though. The tough thing about that in life,

726
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 8: right as a football player, there's always something bothering you.

727
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 8: So after that game, anytime I was starting, I pretty

728
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 8: much got a toar doll shot. Because if you ask

729
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 8: an NFL player before a game, would you rather be

730
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 8: a little bit taller, or faster, or stronger.

731
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 5: Or whatever, they would tell you.

732
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 8: I just want to feel as healthy as possible, just

733
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 8: just just I don't want my back to feel like that,

734
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 8: or my knee or my left shoulder like I just

735
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 8: want to feeld. So once I had that experience my

736
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 8: first preseason game my second year, anytime I was starting

737
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 8: after that in a regular season game, I had something

738
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 8: bothered me. I was taking a tourt doll shot because

739
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 8: I was trying to maximize my performance on the field.

740
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: What's your view of the training camp fights? Like, what's

741
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: it mean to you when you see a team that's

742
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: fighting actual you know, fisticuffs.

743
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, So if you got any of my former teammates

744
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 8: on here and ask them about me, I would think

745
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 8: from two thousand and one to two thousand and eight,

746
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 8: I'd be surprised if I didn't lead the NFL in

747
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 8: training camp fights, I really would, and in fairness, in

748
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 8: my mind, I was never starting a fight.

749
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: I was always finishing a play.

750
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 8: Now, the other guys didn't feel that way, and they

751
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 8: didn't like me, and they thought I was annoying.

752
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 5: But I have plenty of friends from high school and college.

753
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 5: What do I care about these guys? Right Like, I'm

754
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 5: trying to get a job, right.

755
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 8: So I would finish the plays and they would not

756
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 8: be happy, you know, whether I'm pancaking them or hitting

757
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 8: them late or whatever.

758
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 5: So then they would always throw the first swing and then.

759
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 8: I would swing back and I don't know, you know,

760
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 8: it's one of those things where the coaches act like

761
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 8: they don't like it, but they do. Two thousand and four, Okay,

762
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 8: training camp. Remember Oliver Gibson, who I think recently passed

763
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 8: a dtackle. We're in Buffalo, and he was just annoying

764
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 8: the crap out of me and he kept grabbing me.

765
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 8: I couldn't get up to the linebacker. He kept grabbing

766
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 8: my jersey. So finally, after a play, I was done

767
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 8: with it, and that one I actually started. I'll raise

768
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 8: my hand for that one, and I just started wailing

769
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 8: on him. And he's punched me back and they break

770
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 8: it up and I'm walking back to the huddle and

771
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 8: I thought, no, you know what, I hate that guy.

772
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 5: I'm sick of it. Dan.

773
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 8: I ran back and smoked him. I ran back and

774
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 8: smoked him. And Mike Malarkey was our head coach. He

775
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 8: kicked me out of practice. Okay, this is like halfway

776
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 8: through practice. He kicked me out for that move. Okay.

777
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 8: And he told the team that is not what they want,

778
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 8: that's not what they're going for. Two things happened after practice.

779
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 8: First of all, some of the best veterans we had said, talk,

780
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 8: you want to start to fight tomorrow so we can

781
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 8: both get out of practice. If you get out of

782
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 8: practice by getting a fight, well let's start it, and

783
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 8: let's start it early. And Mallarkey came up to me

784
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,439
Speaker 8: and Malarkey said, I'll never forget. Danny said, hey, Ross,

785
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 8: I just want to let you know. I said, yeah,

786
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 8: I said, I'm sorry, I lost my head. I hate

787
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 8: that guy. He's like, I know, he said, you know,

788
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 8: I told the team that that's not what we're looking for.

789
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 8: He said, I just want you to know the way

790
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 8: you play is exactly what we're looking for. So they

791
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 8: say one thing publicly, Dan, but then privately, you know,

792
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 8: they feel differently.

793
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: Good to talk to you. I have fun tonight. And

794
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: you know what, before you go, you tend to tell

795
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 2: this story. I think every year, maybe every other year,

796
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: of when you get cut, that here you are a

797
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: high school hero, you play at Princeton, you're in the NFL,

798
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: and that when you get cut, when you go back

799
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 2: to your hometown.

800
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 8: You know what's so funny you just saying that. I'm

801
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 8: not exaggerating. My eyes filled up a little bit because

802
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 8: it takes me right back to that. It's you know,

803
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 8: picture for fifteen years of your life, ten to twelve

804
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 8: years of your life. You go back and everybody kind

805
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 8: of knows who you are, and everybody's like, hey, Ross, Ross,

806
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 8: the football player, Ross, how's it going.

807
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: I saw you again for the Cowboys. I saw you

808
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 5: the Ross. What's up?

809
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 6: Man?

810
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 5: How's Prinsing going?

811
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 8: And then imagine, all of a sudden, you go back

812
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 8: and it was on the cover of the Reading Eagle

813
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 8: newspaper Okay in Berks County, Pennsylvania, now are Western Philly.

814
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 8: It was on the front cover Ross Tucker released by whoever.

815
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 8: There was a bunch of them, right, So now you

816
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 8: go back and they don't know how to react Dan,

817
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 8: They don't know that, they don't know what to say

818
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 8: to you. Some people just kind of put their head down.

819
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 8: Some people are like, hey, man, I saw the news.

820
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 8: It's a really really awkward situation, super uncomfortable. You feel

821
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 8: like you're letting those people down. They don't know how

822
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 8: to treat you because they've always treated you like.

823
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 5: You know, like you're a hero, but now you're the zero.

824
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 5: It's it's not easy. I mean it is.

825
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 8: It takes some significant mental toughness, that's for sure.

826
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: Do you still have the newspapers that talked about you

827
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 2: when you got cut by teams and you came back home?

828
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 5: I have all the positive newspaper clippings.

829
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 8: I have no idea where the negative newspaper clippings are.

830
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,399
Speaker 5: I think I threw the though.

831
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: You know.

832
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 5: I have scrap books, which are awesome.

833
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 8: My mom did them when I was in high school

834
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 8: and college, and then I think even in the NFL

835
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 8: maybe the first couple of years, and I love having

836
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 8: those to flip through or show my daughters or whatever.

837
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 8: But didn't put the negative stuff in there because brings

838
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 8: back bad memories. There's you know, in life, right, we

839
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 8: can all choose to have gratitude for the things that

840
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 8: we have and the positive things that have happened, or

841
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 8: we can choose to like I could say, I wish

842
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 8: I was doing this game as a broadcaster, or I

843
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 8: wish I was I wish I'd played this long in

844
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 8: the NFL. How does that help you at all?

845
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 5: Right?

846
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 8: Instead, I'm just thrilled I'm doing this game tonight. Thrilled

847
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 8: I'm doing games for CBS. If you have gratitude for

848
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 8: the things you have and are thankful for the things

849
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 8: you have, man, you'll be so much happier than if

850
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 8: you're always worried about what could have been, or thinking

851
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 8: about what could have been, or the negative or the

852
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 8: bad things that happen. I choose to look back on

853
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 8: my NFL career and just think about the positives in

854
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 8: seven years and not all the injuries or the forty

855
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 8: times I got cut or whatever I've tried to block. Mean,

856
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 8: it's still there, but I try to block that out

857
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 8: as much as I can.

858
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing. Good to talk to you. Thank you,

859
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: Ross Worries, great talking, Damn Ross Tucker