Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? You guys, everyone, thank you for joining
Speaker 1: us on Are You a Charlotte? Today we are rewatching
Speaker 1: Hot Child in the City, which aired in two thousand.
Speaker 1: The year two thousand and we have Payton lists with
Speaker 1: us who's in the episode and who must have been
Speaker 1: what like thirteen fourteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I was. I think it was like
Speaker 2: right around I remember it was shooting in the summer,
Speaker 2: and that was when my birthday fell, so it's somewhere
Speaker 2: around my birthday. But I think we shot it like
Speaker 2: before I turned fourteen or what a day after?
Speaker 1: I do you hear the actual accurate age of the character.
Speaker 2: That's so unusual, and most all of us were within
Speaker 2: a year of each other.
Speaker 1: Amazing, And you're there with Kat Dennings, who we love
Speaker 1: so much. Yeah, who's a little baby. I know, just
Speaker 1: a little baby.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I think she's also one
Speaker 2: of those people that I look at and I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're completely recognized from the time you were that young
Speaker 2: to like how you grew up, Like you can so
Speaker 2: tell how there's some people like that. Yes, if you
Speaker 2: saw a picture of me when I was seven. It
Speaker 2: does not look really remotely like the same person, but
Speaker 2: you just get those like features exactly this.
Speaker 1: Do you look exactly the same exactly?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's some coming, but it's just
Speaker 2: so clear.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is clear, you know. I mean I'm much older,
Speaker 1: but you know I look the same my whole life,
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, yeah, and Kat so specific. Her total
Speaker 1: look is such a specific look. I love to see
Speaker 1: her on the billboards now for her new show, which
Speaker 1: is so funny that she's playing Tim Allan's daughter. I
Speaker 1: played Tim Allan's wife in a movie Shaggy Dog. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. It was a very small world. And I
Speaker 1: haven't seen her because she then went on to do
Speaker 1: she did this part when you guys were super young,
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen, and this is in the year two thousand
Speaker 1: you were all acting, which you know, let's get into
Speaker 1: that later. How did this come to be? But then
Speaker 1: later she goes on to do Two Broke Girls with
Speaker 1: Michael Patrick's other show, Yes, Yeah, which is so nice.
Speaker 1: And I used to see her. He would have you know,
Speaker 1: things events or dinners or whatever, and I would see her,
Speaker 1: and I mean, they worked so hard, but they were
Speaker 1: so great on that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was well, it was a it was a
Speaker 2: great show show. I know.
Speaker 1: She and Beth were really really amazing. Beth bears so
Speaker 1: great and I love her so much. And the fact
Speaker 1: that she is a little child here with yourself and
Speaker 1: I mean, so they are just to refresh everybody. There
Speaker 1: is Samantha, as we know, is a publicist and she
Speaker 1: gets this client who is a thirteen year old girl
Speaker 1: who's going to have her bat mitzvah and her dad
Speaker 1: is super wealthy, and Samantha is a little bit like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do this. And then Kat's character,
Speaker 1: whose name is People's Big Time, like she really is
Speaker 1: like well, and then she says something about the money,
Speaker 1: you know, like a million. Does she say something like
Speaker 1: we I don't think we're gonna be able to do
Speaker 1: this party friend or a million, which Samantha is.
Speaker 2: In your two thousand, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, and Samantha is just like oh wow, okay.
Speaker 1: And then at a different point in the show, they're
Speaker 1: all at a restaurant and you guys are there and
Speaker 1: you send Samantha champagne and yeah, even come over and
Speaker 1: you're just you're so it's so accurate too today also
Speaker 1: in terms of like, at one point, I think I'm
Speaker 1: my character's not at the I'm at therapy with Trey apparently,
Speaker 1: but I'm not there. And the girls say like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're fourteen going on thirty, like one hundred percent you are.
Speaker 1: But this is how all of them are. Now. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I know any fourteen year olds.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Me, I don't know. I don't think
Speaker 2: I know any fourteen year olds. Got it.
Speaker 1: My daughter's fourteen? Oh wow, okay, all right, so you
Speaker 1: know what she's doing great, right, But like sometimes I
Speaker 1: look at her friends and I'm like, oh my gosh, like,
Speaker 1: what are they doing? What are they wearing? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're wearing nineties clothes, is what they're wearing.
Speaker 2: But that's so it's so strange that we're back. I mean,
Speaker 2: I look around and I'm like, I was certain this
Speaker 2: would never see the light of day again. Like we
Speaker 2: all decided this was a bad idea, right, collectively, we decided,
Speaker 2: I need these pants will never come back, I know, but.
Speaker 1: You get well, First of all, my daughter's not really
Speaker 1: interested in the low waisted, but she is interested in
Speaker 1: like the baggie they're really into the baggy almost grunge,
Speaker 1: but they don't really know it's grunge, right right, I
Speaker 1: really understand the origins of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's and it hasn't gone full grunge like to
Speaker 2: where it was.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it will. But wait, let's talk
Speaker 1: about you. How did you come to be on the show?
Speaker 1: How did you? What was going on?
Speaker 2: It was? It was one of those things where a
Speaker 2: lot of the kids who did like children's modeling also
Speaker 2: did children's acting, because it all kind of led over
Speaker 2: to like working kids kind of thing. There were, of course,
Speaker 2: of course, kids that only did acting, or I mean
Speaker 2: most all of the kids that did like children's modeling,
Speaker 2: they would just be like, oh, we'll just go out
Speaker 2: for this audition because really what's required of you is
Speaker 2: following instructions rather than, you know, like if we can
Speaker 2: get some acting out of you, great, But they weren't
Speaker 2: so picky. But it was kind of fell into that
Speaker 2: category because I was already there doing that off and on,
Speaker 2: and it was just an audition that was kind of
Speaker 2: like any other audition.
Speaker 1: And did you know what the show was?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, Like I know once I know, once
Speaker 2: I got it. I knew what the show was. But
Speaker 2: again that time where I lived, not everybody had HBO.
Speaker 2: HBO was kind of like this scene as like this
Speaker 2: luxury thing to have. It wasn't this, oh you need
Speaker 2: to have HBO otherwise you're not going to see any
Speaker 2: of the relevant shows that are on the air. Kind
Speaker 2: of thing like it was Sopranos and you guys like
Speaker 2: it was six feet under maybe.
Speaker 1: I think, but you know it was right.
Speaker 2: It's that time where you know, people who maybe the
Speaker 2: households that really cared about like great television would would
Speaker 2: you know, get HBO. But I was aware of it
Speaker 2: because I was in New York all the time and
Speaker 2: I can really remember the billboards because they were everywhere,
Speaker 2: you know, and it was provocative like it was it was.
Speaker 1: It would have been like Martini glass, like exactly exactly
Speaker 1: her laptop in the Cosmo glass. Yeah, it was very
Speaker 1: odd as a you know, I remember being like, whoa,
Speaker 1: we really want to do this, but super brilliant on
Speaker 1: HBO's part.
Speaker 2: Eye catching. I mean I remember and Keed didn't have HBO,
Speaker 2: you know, didn't know people who watched the show. But
Speaker 2: I remember those bills, right, I remember Penn station, those
Speaker 2: pictures being on you know, the signs and everything, and
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 1: Think about advertising now for shows and movies, it's so risque,
Speaker 1: but back then it wasn't no, especially for TV shows.
Speaker 1: It was just like people in suits. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: like get a very stilted, posed looking gal gallery set. Absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. So there you are, you're thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: Did your parents come with you? How did it work?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 2: It was always usually my mother. And I feel like
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where I again like I
Speaker 2: don't trust my memory totally, but I do feel like
Speaker 2: I have this memory of going out to.
Speaker 1: Queens. It was it's in which is part of Queens.
Speaker 2: So I didn't go. I didn't leave Manhattan, mostly because
Speaker 2: that's just not where a lot of like the ghost
Speaker 2: es a castle, right, things right, But I do sort
Speaker 2: of have a memory of going into a room and
Speaker 2: it being a very large room and it just being
Speaker 2: a very different environment to to like a ghost see
Speaker 2: for children's stuff, it was and like the high pressure
Speaker 2: of oh, you've got to say lines like memorized, you know,
Speaker 2: I was not. I wasn't really like a theater kid,
Speaker 2: So it was this like I don't belong here, but
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pretend. I do. You know what I meant.
Speaker 1: Job, you did a great job.
Speaker 2: I just rewatched it and I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think you're finishing a stick.
Speaker 2: I feel like you're fingerly generous. I did not understand
Speaker 2: edit back then. Oh my god, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: First of all, the way you all look and the
Speaker 1: way you carry yourselves. You're very believable. It's very believable
Speaker 1: and kind of slightly frightening way. But that's the part,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Just how well can we shame people, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Like I mean, but also like just the whole like
Speaker 1: you know, this is not your fault. This is the
Speaker 1: part right you're entitled. Oh yeh Manhattan girls. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a very real thing. Oh yeah, and you're all just gorgeous.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't understand. I didn't really understand the
Speaker 2: kind of girls that that was inspired by until like
Speaker 2: a few years later when I actually met them. Right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Because you're running in certain
Speaker 2: circles and you start to overlap with people.
Speaker 1: And you're like, oh, it's a real thing.
Speaker 2: It's a real thing, And like later on you're like, well,
Speaker 2: that's what Gossip Girl was sort of basic. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a continuation of that.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So my thought too, because I know, Okay, so this
Speaker 1: particular season was our season where it was just a big,
Speaker 1: big season, you know, and I remember that some of
Speaker 1: these scenes, like when you guys are coming into the party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it was a big scene on the street.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things that's most memorable for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because i'd been in I was in New York a lot,
Speaker 2: and like how shocking it was to see like the
Speaker 2: magnitude of shutting down multiple streets in the middle of
Speaker 2: midtown Manhattan, Like what that took to do, and how
Speaker 2: as someone who spent a lot of time New York
Speaker 2: and going it's very inconvenient for people. I would be
Speaker 2: really annoyed if I had to walk out of my
Speaker 2: way and you want me to walk in Avenue like,
Speaker 2: and everyone's probably going, ooh, what's that that's called crafty?
Speaker 2: Can I have some of that?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean there's so many things that they think,
Speaker 1: but yeah, New York is you're like, get out of.
Speaker 2: Get out of our way. That's what I would revert
Speaker 2: into it if I wasn't there for that.
Speaker 1: But do you remember, because I also remember this season
Speaker 1: as being particularly long hours, do you remember that part
Speaker 1: of it all? Like like we often shot all night,
Speaker 1: but you guys would have had your you know, like
Speaker 1: hour requirements because of your age.
Speaker 2: Right, and we also were I mean they were single.
Speaker 2: They were kind of single standalone scenes, and they were
Speaker 2: daytime scenes. So it was a.
Speaker 1: Good point, a little bit.
Speaker 2: More controlled in that way, right.
Speaker 1: We would have daytime scenes that we would do in
Speaker 1: the mill of the night though, just f yi. But
Speaker 1: because that one when you're coming to the party is
Speaker 1: exterior but exterio, you know, the restaurant for instance, But
Speaker 1: you would when when you're under eighteen, there are union
Speaker 1: rules about how long you can work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think I knew what those union
Speaker 2: rules were for sure, for sure, but we did, but
Speaker 2: you did, Yeah, and I'm sure they were. I'm sure
Speaker 2: they were in place, But it also was I didn't
Speaker 2: have a concept of what working hours were, so you know,
Speaker 2: your your experience of it not knowing anything is just, oh,
Speaker 2: you're there until you're done. You know, you're just to
Speaker 2: show up and you just that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Did you think it was fun?
Speaker 2: I did think it was fun. Oh good. But I
Speaker 2: think a lot of that was also probably tied to
Speaker 2: being able to like work with other people your own age,
Speaker 2: because so much of that work you're kind of you're
Speaker 2: by yourself with a ton of adults, and while that
Speaker 2: is very comfortable, maybe it's just more fun when there's
Speaker 2: someone that you feel like you can look at and
Speaker 2: you're like, you know what I'm going through, right, Like
Speaker 2: you know you have an understanding. Yeah, so that was
Speaker 2: particularly fun because it.
Speaker 1: Was were you in school.
Speaker 2: I think we shot it over the summer, so I
Speaker 2: think that wasn't mean you were.
Speaker 1: Going to school. You weren't one of those kids who
Speaker 1: never went to school.
Speaker 2: I wasn't a weird in between, because there would be
Speaker 2: those kids who went to PCs that were like in
Speaker 2: that full time New York school where they were constantly
Speaker 2: pulled out. I was in school in Maryland where I
Speaker 2: was pulled out once two times a week. So it
Speaker 2: was a weird arrangement that I had with my school
Speaker 2: to be able to do that. But that was affected
Speaker 2: with other work later on a lot more than Sex
Speaker 2: and City being in the summertime and it just being
Speaker 2: you know something, You're just like, I'll never get to
Speaker 2: do something like this again, Like the novelty of it
Speaker 2: just being like, what a cool adventure. I think my
Speaker 2: mother took a lot of pictures that she probably was
Speaker 2: not supposed to be taking. That's okay.
Speaker 1: I don't think we controlled it very well back then.
Speaker 1: We didn't have the because this is the season that
Speaker 1: we really, like in my experience, at least, jumped up
Speaker 1: a level in terms of popularity, right, Like it first
Speaker 1: season we shot the whole thing before it aired. It
Speaker 1: was just our little secret, right. Second season, people kind
Speaker 1: of knew, but it was kind of niche, right, I
Speaker 1: mean that's how I felt. Yeah, I've talked to other
Speaker 1: actors who were like, oh no, everyone wanted to be
Speaker 1: on that show was the biggest hit. It was the
Speaker 1: coolest show. We didn't necessarily I didn't feel that way yet.
Speaker 2: Right, Right, It's how you experienced it and how you
Speaker 2: sort of were dealing with the influx of popularity.
Speaker 1: Right, And I mean what I remember first season, second season,
Speaker 1: we still were trying so hard to promote it, Like
Speaker 1: if anyone wanted to talk to us, we were like, yes,
Speaker 1: we talked to them for five hours, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: It was like whatever, watch our show, Yeah, totally like
Speaker 1: get the word out. Whereas third season it started to
Speaker 1: really have a life of its own and you didn't
Speaker 1: have to like begged people to talk to us, Right,
Speaker 1: That's that's what I read.
Speaker 2: No, But I find that super interesting because like there's
Speaker 2: a number of shows that like maybe found their feet
Speaker 2: in season two or you feel like they really took
Speaker 2: off in season three, and watching that sort of evolution
Speaker 2: of when people start to realize it's a lot different
Speaker 2: than the thing that they felt they were doing initially, right, And.
Speaker 1: I mean for us, we did get to evolve as
Speaker 1: a show too, which was really nice, right, Like we
Speaker 1: got to change you know, whether we were talking in camera,
Speaker 1: whether we had the people on the street, and you
Speaker 1: know there were things from the beginning.
Speaker 2: That we got changed.
Speaker 1: You went, yeah, and we got into much more. And
Speaker 1: this is where you really see it happening the long
Speaker 1: the long story arc, right, like with Charlotte especially, this
Speaker 1: is my first time to have a long story arc
Speaker 1: like this, right, other than that you knew she wanted
Speaker 1: to get married, right, but now she actually is married
Speaker 1: and what does that mean? And there's all these problems
Speaker 1: and you know whatnot. Whereas for Carrie, this is kind
Speaker 1: of an interesting This is the season where she's with Aiden,
Speaker 1: but she cheats with Big, right, that's her big through line,
Speaker 1: but this is kind of a standalone seat. It is
Speaker 1: a yeah for her, which is fascinating, and also for Miranda,
Speaker 1: who gets braces, which I had no memory of. Okay,
Speaker 1: like what this is one of those ones where I
Speaker 1: was watching it and I felt like I was watching
Speaker 1: it for the first time, Like you.
Speaker 2: Didn't remember any of those stuff?
Speaker 1: What I do remember. I do not remember my storyline,
Speaker 1: not one second, okay, not one second, Like I don't
Speaker 1: If you had said to me, did you you know,
Speaker 1: meaning our characters go to therapy, I would have been like, no,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think I was so exhausted and like low level
Speaker 1: overwhelmed that some of it. I'm just like, I don't
Speaker 1: know what. I don't know if I was in my body, honestly,
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I don't know. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, and sometimes you'll just never have an explanation
Speaker 2: as to why no, I mean some stuff doesn't stay.
Speaker 1: I watch myself in it, and it I it seems fine,
Speaker 1: but I just don't have any memory. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I have a memory, and I kind of wanted if
Speaker 1: I'd had time, I would have researched this. You know
Speaker 1: how some New York summers are super hot.
Speaker 2: You literally melt into the sidewalk, right, you'd be confused
Speaker 2: with the sort of tar.
Speaker 1: That's right, it's soft, right, And the summer before had
Speaker 1: been and we would film in the summer. We would
Speaker 1: start in February where it was cold, okay, and then
Speaker 1: we would film all summer pretty much to get you know,
Speaker 1: however many eighteen twenty one, whatever it is that we
Speaker 1: did eighteen and you know, by the end it was
Speaker 1: baking hot, right. Yeah, I believe, and I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I believe that they wrote this episode Hot Child in
Speaker 1: the City based on the fact that the summer before
Speaker 1: was really really hot and then so and we were
Speaker 1: working right, so like we would just be sweaty, sweaty,
Speaker 1: sweating in our hair.
Speaker 2: My impression of the show. And I don't know if
Speaker 2: this is like true or not, because I wasn't watching
Speaker 2: it consistently then, because I just didn't have HBO. But yeah,
Speaker 2: is that like there was a lot of location, Like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't look like a show that was on stage.
Speaker 1: It's true. I mean that was by design, and there
Speaker 1: were sometimes because our apartments would alwa sets, right, because
Speaker 1: we had to have some controllable environments because of the
Speaker 1: weather and this and that, and also money, it's so
Speaker 1: expensive to film on the locations.
Speaker 2: Shutting down streets cost some money.
Speaker 1: A lot of money. And also this EID this season
Speaker 1: is the big season. We got the set on the ferry, like,
Speaker 1: we have big, big, expensive locations, which is how we
Speaker 1: would like to roll at all times. You know, that's
Speaker 1: our that's our vibe. But there would be times when
Speaker 1: we'd be over budget and we would move back inside
Speaker 1: and then I remember vividly a few times Sarah Jessica saying,
Speaker 1: this is not okay, this is not our show. We
Speaker 1: need to be on the street. You need to be
Speaker 1: able to see our shoes, you need to push the cameras.
Speaker 2: You're losing the city parts.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeh, exactly, And she was so right. But of
Speaker 1: course it's always a balance, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, but then you're also at the mercy of the elements,
Speaker 2: like scorching summers where you know, it's like poor hair
Speaker 2: and makeup trying to I know it deal with the
Speaker 2: heat and the smell.
Speaker 1: The thing that I love looking back at it, Like
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes Sarah's hair has a of friz on.
Speaker 1: It is so gorgeous. It's like almost like a halo
Speaker 1: over her head, you know what I'm saying. Like for Charlotte,
Speaker 1: no one would ever except that I would have frizz,
Speaker 1: though I do have wavy hair in one scene, which
Speaker 1: I was always really pushing for because I just didn't
Speaker 1: want to wear that same straight hair all the time.
Speaker 2: I understand, we get bored, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I understand from someone with straight hair, I really.
Speaker 1: You know, and everyone else loves it, but like for me,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, please just please let
Speaker 1: me do something different. So there's a scene I think
Speaker 1: at the beginning, Oh remember when they say we say
Speaker 1: cafeteria was the news? Oh yeah, yeah, I do. I
Speaker 1: had forgotten all of the high school references in this is.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that at all, And so I did
Speaker 2: do the rewatch and I was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I didn't get any of these references or like, go
Speaker 2: give the guy your number and not being so cute
Speaker 2: and just lost on me, complainedly.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: And I feel like Sarah Jessica park Man, she was
Speaker 1: so leaned in, she.
Speaker 2: Was so adorable.
Speaker 1: She's so adorable and giggly, like we very rarely see her.
Speaker 1: Like it was really really enjoyable. And also the other
Speaker 1: interesting thing about this is it's directed by Michael Spiller.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. He was our director.
Speaker 1: He had been our DP. Oh really yeah, okay, not
Speaker 1: from the very beginning, but close to the beginning. And
Speaker 1: I know that he'd wanted to direct, and I feel
Speaker 1: like he might have directed before this. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but what I was struck by watching it. First of all,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of cool shots, like when she
Speaker 1: ends up on the balcony with the guy, which we'll
Speaker 1: get into in their overhead, you know, and like there
Speaker 1: are a lot of cool shots. But also I feel
Speaker 1: like everyone seemed very relaxed.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: I really like that when I'm watching it, I mean,
Speaker 1: sometimes I can tell that, like maybe sometimes I can
Speaker 1: remember times where things weren't relaxed, and you know, the
Speaker 1: writers and the director or usually just the writers wanted
Speaker 1: us to do something, do you know what I'm saying? Really,
Speaker 1: I can see myself trying to execute the idea that
Speaker 1: they want me to do.
Speaker 2: There's like an extra pressure on that thing that you're
Speaker 2: trying to achieve, and I can.
Speaker 1: See it in my face, you know, or my voice
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then sometimes we just seem like relaxed
Speaker 1: and giggly, which the whole episode not counting me because
Speaker 1: I'm at the therapy, but everybody else so relaxed and giggly.
Speaker 1: It was so charming.
Speaker 2: I had this reaction though, when I was watching because
Speaker 2: obviously you're watching it years later, so you're watching it
Speaker 2: from a different perspective from life, Yeah, I think, but
Speaker 2: also coming from like New York at the time. Now
Speaker 2: when I watch it, I'm like, you know what, back
Speaker 2: in New York, it does really stand out as this
Speaker 2: almost thing that was viewed as very childish to have,
Speaker 2: like a comic book store for a grown bud get
Speaker 2: into comics and all the stuff. Where's yeah now, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's universal, every age, every guy, and we don't look
Speaker 2: at it as the guy who lives in his mom's apartments.
Speaker 1: But it's the other thing. It's so now, it's so
Speaker 1: now that.
Speaker 2: But back then we would have it's like so normal
Speaker 2: how the friends reacted to to Yeah, we were like no, absolute,
Speaker 2: it's just start contrast percent.
Speaker 1: But now it's so accurate now, like no one moves
Speaker 1: out from their parents' house. Apparently, this is what I read.
Speaker 1: I don't really know this age people, but you know,
Speaker 1: twenty five year olds or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most guys that you would meet in New York,
Speaker 2: you know, if anything, they would seem older than they were.
Speaker 2: There was this sort of influence of wanting to fit
Speaker 2: into an adult grown up for sure.
Speaker 1: The suit, the yeah bros Or finance bros.
Speaker 2: I remember, really the last time I went back to
Speaker 2: New York for like a long pair time after I've
Speaker 2: been living in LA and I'm like, everyone's wearing a suit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is it's funny.
Speaker 2: It's really funny. And you're like actually looking at a
Speaker 2: guy and going, that's really definitely younger than he looks
Speaker 2: a lot more grown up.
Speaker 1: Even more true London really oh yeah, oh gosh, they
Speaker 1: dressed so up. Like certainly if you go to you know,
Speaker 1: like central London, I mean it's insane and intense and
Speaker 1: the suits are so beautiautiful beautiful, just like whoa. But
Speaker 1: it's also like a little hard to you know, how
Speaker 1: do you how do you relate to that? I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting culture thing, but I do feel that
Speaker 1: way in New York as well. But also sometimes when
Speaker 1: I go to Beverly Hills, I'm like, wow, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of dudes and suits here.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, you know, I've entered a place where people
Speaker 2: feel the need to wear a suit, right, But it's
Speaker 2: like in New York back then, seeing a guy who's
Speaker 2: like T shirt jeans.
Speaker 1: Especially he's got like surfer hair.
Speaker 2: Surfer hair, yeah, yeah, And how you would sort of
Speaker 2: I don't know, if it was like just culture society,
Speaker 2: how you would like put him in a more juvenile,
Speaker 2: don't take it seriously category.
Speaker 1: But clearly Carrie likes this. It's like I'm going to
Speaker 1: do something different.
Speaker 2: Those were the questions they were asking there, like are
Speaker 2: you really comfortable dating the guy? And she's like right,
Speaker 2: and good for her.
Speaker 1: She has such a good time with and it's so cute.
Speaker 1: But the thing about the heat, the reason that I
Speaker 1: remember it is because they have that scene on the
Speaker 1: balcony where they get the hose out and I remember
Speaker 1: that was actually chili.
Speaker 2: Of course it was, of course it was.
Speaker 1: This is what I remember. I don't remember anything that
Speaker 1: I did, but I remember that concerned the Sarah Jessica
Speaker 1: and this guy. We're gonna have to get wet when
Speaker 1: it was chilly, when it was supposed to be hot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the silliness just so par for the course, though,
Speaker 2: isn't it If it's supposed to be hot, it's freezing exactly.
Speaker 1: And then we did write when we did it, and
Speaker 1: just like that, we wrote a big snow scene. And
Speaker 1: then the year we were filming, there was no snow,
Speaker 1: of course, you know what I mean, So we had
Speaker 1: to manufacture all of it. So let's talk about do
Speaker 1: you have any memories about your fittings. I'm always curious
Speaker 1: about young people coming into our world. But you were modeling,
Speaker 1: so you're probably used to a lot.
Speaker 2: Of and I think that's probably why I don't have
Speaker 2: a memory of that, right. It probably resembled to a
Speaker 2: degree like any other fitting. Probably, I genuinely don't have
Speaker 2: any memory. I remember my wardrobe, okay, and I remember
Speaker 2: was I can't say it was the first time, but
Speaker 2: it was. There was definitely like wardrobe malfunctioning happening.
Speaker 4: Oh no, because because these clothes, these clothes are not
Speaker 4: these clothes are meant to be seen, they're not meant
Speaker 4: to be like functional, and my top did not want.
Speaker 2: To stay on, and it was just like I was
Speaker 2: so used to as a kid. You know, if they're
Speaker 2: just like, oh, these genes don't fit you, right, we'll
Speaker 2: cut the scene through the middle where you're rear end
Speaker 2: is and stick a sock in it and and like
Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna wear. We will never see you
Speaker 2: from the back, So that kind of just where's the
Speaker 2: scotch tape or just clip it? You're used to that,
Speaker 2: But with that being live action, I guess you'd say, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they were double stick taping the top on because the
Speaker 2: straps were breaking and you're getting in and out of
Speaker 2: that limo over and over again. And I definitely had
Speaker 2: a oh no, a moment where I'm like, wow, there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people here. I think I might have
Speaker 2: flashed them. I don't know, Oh my.
Speaker 1: God, I did at thirteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're yeah, but you're also just like there's
Speaker 2: no I mean, yeah, you're a little bit self conscious,
Speaker 2: but you're also like well it's summertime in New York
Speaker 2: and the type failed, and well.
Speaker 4: That's a good that's good because there's nothing else you
Speaker 4: can do.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was either like a sample or I
Speaker 1: think it probably right or vintage. I can't remember exactly.
Speaker 2: What where, Like maybe it goes down a runway or
Speaker 2: a catwalk, but it doesn't go in and out of
Speaker 2: limos thirty seven times.
Speaker 1: Real life, yeah, real life, yeah, for sure, for sure,
Speaker 1: for sure. So you remember you did a lot of takes.
Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, I remember there was a lot of
Speaker 2: takes for that. But it also just took a while
Speaker 2: because I think they had to keep like circling the
Speaker 2: block to do the However they shot the arrival, like
Speaker 2: I think they were shooting huge, huge wide masters and
Speaker 2: stuff of that, so we were that just took a
Speaker 2: while to reset over and over again when I watch it.
Speaker 2: When I watched it back, I'm like, you could just
Speaker 2: see the door just roll up. I know, think it
Speaker 2: was just but I think that's not I feel like
Speaker 2: and again my memory, I feel like that's not how
Speaker 2: they shot it, Like they shot more of the Oh
Speaker 2: I'm sure the car is coming up and they've got
Speaker 2: all those cars around, they've got a preset and all that.
Speaker 2: So I remember that being like a lot of takes
Speaker 2: and getting that right and having all the young people.
Speaker 1: That were the extras that we're excited to see you. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you're not just dealing with like adult extras,
Speaker 2: you're also dealing with teenagers and just getting that just
Speaker 2: getting that right right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it can be so patience challenging, you know, like.
Speaker 2: Totally, but that's also where it sort of ignorance is
Speaker 2: bliss if you're not used to that world, because you're
Speaker 2: just like, I have no idea how many times we're
Speaker 2: doing this. If you're going right, we're gonna be doing
Speaker 2: this for three hours. So like settle in. If you'd
Speaker 2: known that going in, you might be like, uh, but
Speaker 2: when you don't know it, it's just no.
Speaker 1: And also, I mean the fun is you were together
Speaker 1: with other young people and you guys can just chat
Speaker 1: and whatever.
Speaker 2: Exactly. I'm sure we're pretty annoying at times for some
Speaker 2: of the pas, but that's it's okay, that's all right,
Speaker 2: a right. I mean you're like, we feel bad, but
Speaker 2: not really.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, why would you so bad?
Speaker 2: You know, we're just like so chatty and we're just
Speaker 2: being silly and yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's their job, be annoyed, just.
Speaker 2: To be annoyed. Yeah, but up with us?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, let's talk about the plot. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: the plat. Okay, so we see Carrie she wants to
Speaker 1: go to a leother store to have her shoes fixed, right,
Speaker 1: is that right? And then it's the comic book store, right,
Speaker 1: which is so so how in New York it's so ney.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking that it's so New York when
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I'm gonna where'd it go?
Speaker 1: I know that, Like, wait, did I imagine? That?
Speaker 2: Always happened with me with restaurants, and it would just
Speaker 2: be heartbreaking because at the restaurants you have memories and
Speaker 2: you want to go back there and have that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I lived on the Upper West Side for a long time,
Speaker 1: which of course is not you know, the hot spot anymore,
Speaker 1: but every single time i'd go back, if I was gone,
Speaker 1: the rest of would be different. It would be so sad,
Speaker 1: so frustrating. But what can you do. It's ever changing.
Speaker 1: This is how it is.
Speaker 2: This is the well and also the places that you're
Speaker 2: you feel dependent on, like your shoe repair guy and
Speaker 2: you're like, what do you mean he's not here?
Speaker 1: Totally absolutely, especially for Kerrie, she were very very important,
Speaker 1: very very important. So she goes down, she has a
Speaker 1: very charming conversation with this guy at this store. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: you're very like I just don't even know if that
Speaker 1: would happen now.
Speaker 2: No, it would, I mean, it doesn't happen in my life.
Speaker 2: But like, also the the ease at Wish, she has
Speaker 2: that conversation with a stranger and any guy that she's like,
Speaker 2: he's attractive and I know I feel.
Speaker 1: Like also because it's this tiny store, yeah right, so
Speaker 1: Will kind of feels safe.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, yeah, like when you're watching it,
Speaker 2: you're like necessarily natural and you're going, oh, if that
Speaker 2: were real life with me, it would be like I'm
Speaker 2: going to count how many times making eye contact with
Speaker 2: this person that it would be like, what is it?
Speaker 2: You know what you're assessing a safe situation and stuff
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, I mean, yeah, it's been a I
Speaker 1: can't I don't know. I am trying to think of
Speaker 1: the last time that I would have gotten into a whole,
Speaker 1: very very long conversation with a stranger in a store.
Speaker 1: I can't think of when it would be.
Speaker 3: Right, or there's not a whole lot of people around, right,
Speaker 3: I mean that's the other adorable kind of thing, is
Speaker 3: like it's like a street level, you know, adorable tiny
Speaker 3: store with like two fifteen year old boys or whatever,
Speaker 3: you or just like.
Speaker 1: Goggling Carrie totally in her adorable outfit. And this is
Speaker 1: the much discussed Chanelle top that then she wore later,
Speaker 1: but in a slightly different color way, I believe though.
Speaker 1: When I was looking, I was like, no, no, that
Speaker 1: might be the same one. It's very confusing, but we
Speaker 1: rewore this in and just like that was that an issue? No,
Speaker 1: it was a good thing discussed.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh okay.
Speaker 1: But the funny thing about it, I kind of recognize it.
Speaker 1: It's a very specific channel with like blobs of.
Speaker 2: Right a lot of color.
Speaker 1: And she had worn it backwards in the first show,
Speaker 1: which is a very sure Jessica thing. She loves things
Speaker 1: backwards or upside down or whatever mismatch. She likes that.
Speaker 1: And so you can see the little Chanelle tag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember, I remember when I just rewatched it,
Speaker 2: I saw that tag there and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: because she's wearing it backwards.
Speaker 1: She's so funny. But then so then she's got Carrie's
Speaker 1: clothes in storage, right, and they didn't go back and
Speaker 1: get it out. But Mollie Rogers are costume designer, got
Speaker 1: a call from a vintage place that she knows downtown
Speaker 1: and they said, oh, we have a we have an
Speaker 1: amazing group of clothes that are from Karen Elson's personal clothes.
Speaker 1: The model, the redheaded model, beautiful red. You recognize her,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I would. I'm sure very nineties two thousand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: incredible woman. Used to be married to Jack White. Not
Speaker 1: that I should be talking about her personal life, but
Speaker 1: just side note. And she so, So Molly went down
Speaker 1: there and at the bottom of this basically suitcase was
Speaker 1: this chanelle top slightly different colors or else maybe faded
Speaker 1: under sure, and Molly recognized because Molly's been our costume
Speaker 1: designer forever. So she got it and then Sir Jesca
Speaker 1: wore it again on and just like that turned around.
Speaker 1: So it's just the scoop neck without the tag, right,
Speaker 1: and then there's a whole drama. Did she get it out?
Speaker 2: Is it hers?
Speaker 1: Where did it come from? Is it the same one,
Speaker 1: is it a different one? Blah blah blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: many conversation. But I love that, you know, I love that,
Speaker 1: you know, the clothes are interesting enough that you could
Speaker 1: even have a conversation about it.
Speaker 2: Well. And I don't think there was anything on television
Speaker 2: where a woman was wearing clothes like that. No, it
Speaker 2: just it wasn't network. It wasn't do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It wasn't gone through the sort of all
Speaker 2: the approval steps that what is acceptable to everyone, right.
Speaker 1: It's just well, was creative that we did have a
Speaker 1: little bit of that, Like we did have. Michael Patrick,
Speaker 1: I think will admit himself that sometimes he would be
Speaker 1: he would be an a sayer. He would he would
Speaker 1: say like, no, she wouldn't wear that, and Pat Field
Speaker 1: will be like she would, you know, and then it
Speaker 1: would be a whole power struggle. And because Sarah Jessica
Speaker 1: was on the side with Pat usually and really wanted
Speaker 1: to push the boundaries in a way that she thought
Speaker 1: was true to that character and true to those women
Speaker 1: who were living this life and borrowing things. I mean,
Speaker 1: Kendace push No was borrowing things, you know, even though
Speaker 1: because people say like, well, how could she afford it? Well,
Speaker 1: she she's not affording all of it. She's borrowing stuff, right,
Speaker 1: you may not be seeing her going ample s sample.
Speaker 1: So absolutely, there's so many creative ways. And at the
Speaker 1: time there was Century twenty one way down on the do.
Speaker 2: You remember, Oh my gosh, I remember it, so what
Speaker 2: a special But then it was like are you going
Speaker 2: to go down there? Because it was a it was
Speaker 2: a journey, it was there was a field trip to go.
Speaker 2: It was got.
Speaker 1: It was way at the tip, way down down, and
Speaker 1: it was a big place and you had to work
Speaker 1: hard to find the good things in the big place.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like they were like, hello, here's the Chloe
Speaker 1: time you were looking for. No, it was like really
Speaker 1: like hit a miss No, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was. It was you had to go in with
Speaker 2: a loose plan that could adapt. But it was like
Speaker 2: if people are going to like IKEA or I guess
Speaker 2: like now like an H and M, where there's so
Speaker 2: much stuff and if you're looking for one thing, you're like,
Speaker 2: you have to pace yourself. You have to go in caffeinated,
Speaker 2: you have to be ready, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: You to have a melt down and leave.
Speaker 1: Definitely definitely, definitely, And Molly said she was there so
Speaker 1: much that people would ask her where the belts were
Speaker 1: they thought she worked there. Yeah, but we got credible,
Speaker 1: incredible things there. I mean it was the only way
Speaker 1: that we could because we were borrowing stuff by this
Speaker 1: point in this show, but we had started with a
Speaker 1: tiny budget, you know, so they just had to be
Speaker 1: super creative as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and you have to.
Speaker 1: Be Yeah, everyone, everyone in New York has to be
Speaker 1: super creative. Okay. So Carry goes in. She meets this
Speaker 1: adorable guy with this like surfer hair who has a
Speaker 1: comic store, which is also really entertaining and funny, but
Speaker 1: much more niche back then, like it was before Marvel.
Speaker 2: Was like that's that's the funny thing. Seeing it now,
Speaker 2: it was so like niche and you're like, oh wow,
Speaker 2: if they only.
Speaker 1: Knew exactly exactly, I hope we kept that store going
Speaker 1: that guy. And then they so they go to on
Speaker 1: a date to Barcode. I feel like bar Code is
Speaker 1: still there?
Speaker 2: Do you think?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's still there? Amazing. Yeah, And it's so obviously
Speaker 1: not Carrie's normal vibe, but she's having such a good time.
Speaker 2: It's perfect, Like what they're the story.
Speaker 1: They're doing absolutely And when she gets on that scooter
Speaker 1: in the street, I mean, I don't remember any of
Speaker 1: this at all. When she gets on that scooter, I mean, hello, how.
Speaker 2: Did you not fall over?
Speaker 1: Well, because I know her, I'm not, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: didn't even think for a second she was going to
Speaker 1: follow her, because I know her. She can do anything
Speaker 1: in those heels. But the thing that made me laugh, like,
Speaker 1: think about East scooters now, like this is so prescient.
Speaker 1: Our whole episode is so timely.
Speaker 2: Of those scooters. I remember had a real moment like
Speaker 2: everywhere there was razor y Razor scooters, you know that
Speaker 2: would fold up and they.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, my kids went through a big Razor phase.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were so popular, I think, especially right
Speaker 2: around that time.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so funny that this guy is on
Speaker 1: a scooter and has a comic book store. He's really
Speaker 1: ahead of his time. You know, at the time, we
Speaker 1: do we not realize. Yeah, we all criticize him, but
Speaker 1: he was right on the pulse, right on the pulse
Speaker 1: of things to come. So she adorably goes on a
Speaker 1: day with him and goes scootering, and then he says
Speaker 1: he do you want to come over to my impressive
Speaker 1: apartment with the view, little dish.
Speaker 2: She know.
Speaker 1: They go to like an unbelievable You don't see the
Speaker 1: whole apartment, Okay, you mostly see the balcony, but they've
Speaker 1: basically got like a view of of everything, right, Like
Speaker 1: it's very intense, and she says, a breasts side. But
Speaker 1: I feel like you can see the river, like I
Speaker 1: feel like it's on the East River.
Speaker 2: But I thought in my head, I'm like, it's a
Speaker 2: view of the park, but it's I.
Speaker 1: Mean it might. I don't need more attention. I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like over across the water is Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 2: But I also I believe you because in my head
Speaker 2: I could have just dropped in whatever I thought.
Speaker 1: Of course, your own actions, because the way the balcony looks,
Speaker 1: it looks like the traditional buildings that would be over
Speaker 1: on fifth, right, yeah, right, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: it is. I don't know if it is, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't there obviously physically, so I have no idea. But
Speaker 1: so they go and she's wondering, you know how he
Speaker 1: has this incredible apartment which is so adorable, And then
Speaker 1: we find out that it is because he lives with
Speaker 1: his mom and she's adorable.
Speaker 2: She's so cute, he's so cute.
Speaker 1: So cute, and she wants to give them lemonade and whatnot,
Speaker 1: which is also really funny and weird. And he's really
Speaker 1: accepting of it all, which is like, how old is he?
Speaker 1: I want to know.
Speaker 2: How old's the character?
Speaker 1: And yeah, do we ever say? I don't think we do.
Speaker 2: I think he's definitely at least mid thirties, right, He's
Speaker 2: gotta be, He's got to be.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting how I feel like.
Speaker 2: The age was referenced multiple times where yeah, because I
Speaker 2: think because of the Miranda character storyline about the braces
Speaker 2: and everything, where yes, she's I was surprised how many
Speaker 2: times that she's like, we're there's the thirteen year olds
Speaker 2: and we're thirty four, thirty five or whatever it was. Yes,
Speaker 2: that I don't remember that being such a references.
Speaker 1: A reference because back at this time we were considered old. Right,
Speaker 1: we just really laugh out loud, funny. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: thirty three and we're talking about.
Speaker 2: That's what sort of like society conditions.
Speaker 1: We weren't wrong, we were wrong. That was very true.
Speaker 1: For us back then. Yeah, but that's partly why we
Speaker 1: talk about it so much. YEA, Like now, I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone frowns on anybody getting braces at any age.
Speaker 2: No, And it's also a lot more common.
Speaker 1: More common, right, like tremendously more.
Speaker 2: Actually, when I see adults with braces, I'm like, you
Speaker 2: don't have a fear of commitment, you know, like I
Speaker 2: just gonna be good for you. Like I feel like
Speaker 2: if someone to me said you need braces now and
Speaker 2: be like, I just don't know, Like I think I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna yeah. I like that seems like a lot
Speaker 2: of commitment, like when to commitment.
Speaker 1: My daughter has braces. It's a lot of commitment. I
Speaker 1: love her orthodontist, thank goodness. We look forward to seeing
Speaker 1: doctor esther. But it is a lot of commitment.
Speaker 2: And I feel like with the adults that do it, you're.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, you know, you're making some time, you're making some.
Speaker 2: Time, and yeah, and you're like that's self love, that's
Speaker 2: like good, good for you.
Speaker 1: I agree, totally. I agree, totally. So Carrie, Carrie does
Speaker 1: discuss this young man or whatever. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's younger. I mean, I did not feel like he
Speaker 1: was our age, though when I was watching it, I
Speaker 1: felt like maybe he was late twenty, I was younger.
Speaker 1: He just seems younger, I mean, but obviously he's living
Speaker 1: with this would.
Speaker 2: Have made references to his age being younger, Like if
Speaker 2: they were discussing, like you're dating a guy who's they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's younger, right, But I feel like there was
Speaker 2: a sort of comparison of.
Speaker 1: The point, yeah, we don't really say that, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: don't really say that, but he does own his own shop, right,
Speaker 1: so like he's a total you know you guys, this
Speaker 1: is so much fun that we're going to have to
Speaker 1: have a part two, so join us later in the
Speaker 1: week on Are You as Charlotte