1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: This is the Chief's official podcast network taking dannage on 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: the day. When you get opportunity in this game, they 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: can play don't touchdown. Kansas City, the Chiefs all right 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: in the thick of a baby and hello everyone, and 5 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: hello everybody in the Chiefs Kingdom. Mitch hold us with 6 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: you the voice of the Chiefs along with the man 7 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: we know as the Shop or Barber's Shop with a 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 1: spider man that is tenure NFL veteran, Sean Barber. And 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: this is addition of defending the Kingdom, is going to 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: feature the role of the tight end. And yep, buckle 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: up for this one because this is gonna be a 12 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: good discussion because the National Football League has changed in 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: this regard also dramatically over the last ten fifteen years. 14 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez kind of got things started. But was shop 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: the tight end position. And we know in Kansas City 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: how important it is because the best tight end in 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: the National Football League is part of the Super Bowl 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: fifty four champions and Travis Kelser, Yeah, we talk about 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: that position of the tight end. Um. One of my 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: good friends here in Can't Say is Billy Baber and 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: he was a former tight end. He was you know, 22 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: the third string tight end behind um Tony. He said, 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: he's the second string tight end behind Tony Gonzalez, but 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: he also was behind Jason Dunn. Oh yeah, it was 25 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: our behind for a while. Yeah. But one thing when 26 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: we talk football, he always designates, tell me this, does 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: the team have a great tight end, Because if the 28 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: team has a great tight end, there's no excuse their 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: offense shouldn't move the ball. And I asked him about that. 30 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: What he means that, man, the tight end, we control 31 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: the safety, We control the linebackers. Um, we can displace people. 32 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: We can make you move places by you know, having 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: to move tight end motion tight end, Um, we designate, 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: we can we can make you, you know, show us 35 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: your hand before you're willing on blitzes and things like that. 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: So he said, Man, I got a great tight end, 37 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: and it limits, you know, the freedom of your safety, 38 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: the freedom of your linebackers to just freelance around because 39 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: they're worried about getting locked out by the tight end, 40 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: getting cut out of a gap, getting cut out of 41 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: a hole, or getting beat down a scene for a 42 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: big game. It really limits a lot of the disguises 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: that a defense can do. And he says that's that 44 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: that that's a quarter best best friend people some people 45 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: say as the running game. But if you add some 46 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: former tight ends, they think a great tight end is 47 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: a quarterback's best friend. The adjective though that you use 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: is great tight end thirty hand. We got some great 49 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: tight ends in this league, but about twenty eight of 50 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: them are searching for the next great tight end. There's 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: some good tight ends, there's some average tight ends. But 52 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: let's talk about the importance of the tight end position. 53 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: Then we're gonna come back to your great tight end 54 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: in the National Football League, which we know Travis Kelsey 55 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: is one of them. By the way, we appreciate everybody 56 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: working out to our Defending the Kingdom podcast. More and 57 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: more people. Why do they work out to? Man this? 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: Get you right, man, get your mind right. We talk 59 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: about mindset, We talk about mental toughness, we talk about 60 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: all the things that when you go on on that 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: you're trying to make that that six minute seven minute 62 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: mile on the bike. Um. Sometimes you get about halfway 63 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: through and you're looking for some motivation and you hear 64 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: you hear the voice of Kansas City telling you how 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: your team is gonna refit the backpacking packing up for 66 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: a new season and getting back at it. It kind 67 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: of gets your mind right to finish off that mile. 68 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. Man. Know, the guys are working 69 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: out listening to our podcast. They appreciate the way we 70 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we speak the truth. Yeah, this is the theme, 71 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: refitting the backpack for the next climb up the mountain. 72 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: D named Chris McGowan listens to us and works out. 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: Also a guy named Jim Mullenix. It just I've had 74 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: different people come up and go, we work out too. 75 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: You mentioned the gall in Saint Louis. It works out well. Hey, 76 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: we also work out to it, so hey, stay on it, 77 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: get your cardio up. But the first quarter of this 78 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: defending the Kingdom tight end is I want to bring 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: up some stats here. Just bear with me. A second. 80 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson of Baltimore. We all know the NFL MVP. 81 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: In the twenty nineteen season, phenomenal year, forty two percent 82 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: of his passing attempts were to tight ends. Forty three 83 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: percent of his completions were to ravens tight ends. We 84 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: know who they are. It's a good crew. Carson Wentz 85 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: of Philadelphia, Doug Peterson, former Chief's offensive coordinator, head coach 86 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: of the Eagles, Wentz. Of his six hundred and one attempts, 87 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: thirty eight percent went to tight ends. Almost forty percent 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: of his completions went to tight ends. Let's just keep 89 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 1: going here. Derek Carr in the division for now five 90 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: hundred and thirteen attempts, thirty point four attempts. A percentage 91 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: of his attempts went to tight ends, almost thirty four 92 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: percent of his completions. Oh, there's a dude named Jimmy Garoppolo. 93 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of him. Was San Francisco, Right, 94 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: He's got Kittle, the great tight end you talked about. 95 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo four hundred and seventy six attempts last season 96 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: in the regular season, twenty eight percent of his attempts 97 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: were two tight ends, thirty one percent of his comp as. 98 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: Next on the list, Patrick Mahomes. Out of his four 99 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty four attempts, twenty six point nine percent 100 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: of his attempts went to tight ends, most of those, 101 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: if not all, to Kelsey, and twenty nine point five 102 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: percent of his completions went to mostly Kelsey. Some Blake 103 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: bell A couple of yielders in there. Tom Brady, here's 104 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: where it gets interesting, and then I'm gonna get your thoughts. 105 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: Tom Brady six hundred and thirteen attempts, one hundred twenty 106 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: nine more than Patrick Mahomes. Mahomes was hurt, missed two 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: and a half games. Eight point five percent of Brady's 108 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: attempts went to tight ends nine point nine percent of 109 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: his completions. Now that is down almost fifty percent from 110 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen because we knew he had Gronkowski. Okay, so 111 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: here we are the tight end and what he means 112 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: to these quarterbacks in these offenses, and no one more 113 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: so than Lamar Jackson of the Ravens. Well, when you 114 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: break down those stats and the teams, the personnel you 115 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: talked about, let's see what the common thread is. The 116 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: common thread is the skill level of the tight ends 117 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: on those teams that were good. Um, they create automatic um, 118 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: Mitch Mattress. It's automatic in the favor of the offense. UM. 119 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: Whether it's the size of the tight end, the route 120 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: running ability, the hands, UM. No matter if you cover 121 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: them with the linebacker or cover them with the safety, 122 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: those guys are still open. You can't they're they're uncovertable. 123 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: You just you hope to get enough pressure on the 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: quarterback so that the past is thrown a little bit 125 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: off target. You hope to back the ball down like 126 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: Chris Jones did um phenomenally in the Super Bowl to 127 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: prevent the completion. But those guys are almost uncomfortable within 128 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: the in the new age of the offense. You can't 129 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: put hands, you can't grab them, can't chuck them. Even 130 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: once they catch you can't. You gotta figure out how 131 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 1: to hit them without hit him in the head on 132 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: the too low in the legs. So those guys are 133 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: just um. They create such a a a mitch matching connects. 134 00:06:55,360 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: They create such a problem for a defensive philosophy when 135 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: you're trying to make sure that you know you sure 136 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: up the gaps for the running game. You have the 137 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: proper um consistency and the edge on the defense so 138 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: that the perimeter run is taken care of, and you've 139 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: got certain quarterbacks, you've got deep threats from receivers. So 140 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: when when you when you're checking the boxes of what 141 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: you got to stop, usually the tight end position is 142 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: not one of your first second priorities. You talk about 143 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: defensive what you got to stop and what these offenses 144 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: had done. The San Sisco forty nine ers UM, the 145 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: Ravens are offense. UM. The Eagles. Since it's not a 146 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: high priority for the defense to stop these positions, they've 147 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: highlighted that position and they've made that their cornerstone, their fundamental, 148 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: one of the one of the pillars of the offense 149 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: here in Kansas City and the other offense you named, 150 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: is to get to that that that tight end position, 151 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: expose that mitch match, and make sure that you make 152 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: that defense pay for it over and over again. Now 153 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: you saw this start to change as we close out 154 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: the first quarter of this podcast. We're gonna get into 155 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: Kelsey and the vision in a second, because this division 156 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: has some good tight ends. Okay, um, but you saw it. 157 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: About the time you came into the league was a 158 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: time it was starting to change. Gonzalis had taken off 159 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: in the late nineties. It's the basketball guy that's become 160 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: the great tight end. You can run every route on 161 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: the tree, can run the seven route, he can run 162 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: the corner, he can run the post, he can run 163 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: the dig um. Same with Jimmy Grant played hist or 164 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: college basketball Miami of Florida. You started to see it change. 165 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: Now I would tell you it's gone to even two 166 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: more levels higher than I think. When you play, yeah, 167 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: you know you name some guys hit me thinking, remember 168 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: Jeremy Shockey for the Giants, Algae Crumpler for the Falcons. 169 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: Um there was there were some teams that had some 170 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: some some tight ends that created problems. But everybody it 171 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: was just one right. It was just it was one here, 172 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: one there. But now we've seen like everybody is featured 173 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: almost a point now where the Ravens actually put three 174 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: tight ends at an all mitchmach problem, all creek different 175 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: um sets of problems from a defensive standpoint, and all 176 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: can go for All have great hands, all you know 177 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: they and they can block so will so the second 178 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: you take a back step thinking it's a pass, and 179 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 1: now they all up in your chest blocking you five 180 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: six yards down the field, creating these vertical scenes for 181 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: the running back. The more and more I think about it, 182 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: the more and more I think Billy was right. The 183 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: best friend of a quarterback might be the tight end 184 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: instead of the running back. It's a great point, and 185 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to give Vapor credit but I will 186 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: here here, here's the deal. There's so many teams right 187 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: now that want to help their quarterback. We know who 188 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: you are, all right, you can fill in the blank 189 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: and talk amongst yourselves. Every one of those teams is 190 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: scrambling to find the next either really good or great 191 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: tight end. Because when you said great tight end, you 192 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: narrow that. Let that list down. But the quarterbacks who 193 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: are struggling need these tight ends, all right. The second 194 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: quarter of our podcast, Defending the Kingdom as we refit 195 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: the backpack and get ready for the next climb, focusing 196 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: on the tight end position in the National Football League 197 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and with the Chiefs, they have the best in the 198 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: business and travel. Kelsey, as good a year as he had, 199 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: I still think he maybe he was underrated even within 200 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: the Kingdom. We started to take him for granted. Just 201 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: listen to this. He led the league for tight ends 202 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: in yards almost well twelve hundred and twenty nine yards 203 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: on ninety seven catches, by far the most yards and 204 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: catches of any tight end in the National Football League. 205 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: Last year, only Kittle surpassed him, and Kittle said an 206 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: all time NFL record. He was injured this year for 207 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: a good part of it in the playoffs. In the playoffs, 208 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey was targeted by Patrick Mahomes twenty two times 209 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: in the three games, nineteen receptions out of twenty two targets. 210 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: That's with him covered and draped two hundred and seven 211 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: yards four touchdowns, including the hat trick against Houston. To 212 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: go back and listen to the play by play, that's 213 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: when I said he's gargling in the sweet necture of 214 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: the end zone. Travis Kelsey, to me, was phenomenal last year. 215 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: I remember him on July the twenty second, showing up 216 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: with the rookies and with Pat Mahomes acting like a 217 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: free agent trying to make the team shop. He never stopped. 218 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: He played through injuries, he didn't miss any time. He 219 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: shut himself up by far, without argument, it's deep best 220 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: trade in the NFL. Yeah, it was no load management 221 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: going on like here about the NBA um trying to 222 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: limit the exposure of Kelsey. Kelsey would He showed up 223 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: every game day. Every game day. He showed up with 224 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: a purpose of passion. And I remember some of the 225 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: games where he had some really good games. We lost 226 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 1: the game and before we did our post game show, 227 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: we would go over to him and say something, Hey, man, hey, 228 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: a great job. They Barbara, that wasn't good enough, And 229 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: I was like, man like, like, like, he's already starting 230 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: to break down his own performance. Um, you know, the 231 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: one that got away, the one that got off my hands, 232 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: or the fumble or something like that. Um, breaking it down. 233 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: What did he need to do from being good to great, 234 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: from being great to elite? And I think like we 235 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: saw his mentality coming in and um during training camp 236 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: working on this, the finer tune, the little nuances that 237 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: late in the season him and Pat was able to 238 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: rely on even when he was covered. Pat through them 239 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: open so many times where defensively you just gotta throw, 240 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: you like, if your defensive coordinator, you have a perfect call, 241 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: you got the inside leveage, you're taking it away and 242 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: Pat just rainbows it or just tear drops it to 243 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: it outside shoulder hits Kelsey right in stride over the 244 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: top of your defense and they're gone down the sideline 245 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: and it's nothing. You can't do anything about that. It's nothing. 246 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: Great throw and great catch. Um, you just want to, 247 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, line up and get another set of downs. 248 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: But he was able to do that so many times 249 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: in the postseason, every time we needed a big play, 250 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: every time our offense needed a little bit of a joke, 251 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: a little bit momentum. Um Kelsey just showed up time 252 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: and time again. It's like you said, to put a 253 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: stamp on um. If there was any doubt before the playoffs, 254 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: who was the best tight end in NFL. I think 255 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs spoke with themselves. The Chiefs kept moving on. 256 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: Our tight end position dominated um defenses time and time again. 257 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: And while everybody was trying to stop Pat Mahomes and 258 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins and and and uh Tyreek hell from getting 259 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: beat over the top, our offense was patient enough, poise enough, 260 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: taking first down, first down, first down, and then beat 261 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: you for the touchdown. I know the division is trying 262 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: to figure out how to beat Patrick Mahomes. They're setting 263 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: in personnel meetings, go what do we how do we 264 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: put our roster together to beat him? That This isn't 265 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: an arrogant statement. It's what you know we've done that. 266 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: We've been on the other side of this right with 267 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: all the way and others. But I'm guaranteeing you in 268 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: that same discussion they're talking about who how do we 269 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: put our roster together to slow down Travis Kelsey, because 270 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: you mentioned it early in the in this UH podcast, 271 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: and that is you have to have a unique person 272 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: defensively or a scheme to cover Travis Kelsey. And even 273 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: then Shop, it's not good enough. So many times I'm 274 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: telling you, if we go back and watch that family, 275 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: so many times I'm looking at Kelsey and I'm seeing 276 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: Pat look at himself. Okay, he's not open. He's gonna 277 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: go someplace else. He throws it. He throws it to 278 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Kelsey anyway, and Kelsey just at the top of his routes, 279 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: he does a little jiggle, a little something to create 280 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: us all six inch window and and by god, it 281 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: if that that ball does that fall right on that 282 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: six inch window, right in Kelsey's lap. Um And like 283 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: you said, those three touchdown game, laden and down and 284 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: he's finding a little hole, a little place to sit 285 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: down in the zone and Pat just just just like 286 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: a three point shot, just just throws it in there, 287 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: right into the hoop, and Kelsey keshes for a touchdown 288 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: in that Houston game. It's phenomenal the way they kind 289 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: of think on the same page even after plays, you know, 290 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: plays begin they think they see something the defense change them. 291 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: Two are already on the same page that they are 292 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: locked in step on what adjustments need to make for 293 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: him to get open. And then Pat has the confidence 294 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: in the arm to get the ball where it needs 295 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: to be. You just don't find that combination anywhere. And 296 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: even if the tight end does have the skill level 297 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: at some of these other places, Uh, you gotta start 298 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: to look at the quarterback position. Is he skilled enough, 299 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: confident enough to get the ball there? And then the 300 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: places that have a quarterback that is skilled enough, whether 301 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: they have the tight ending, can running routs and get 302 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: open consistently, it's always something missing. But here in Kansas 303 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: City we got We got both both elements, both components, 304 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: and it allows our offense to consistently hit on all 305 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: of suddeness. Yeah, I saw that in July before anybody 306 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: showed up a training camp. What you talked about there 307 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: was seventy two hours. Those two guys worked and worked 308 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and worked and worked, and they got on each other's brain, mind, 309 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: and soul. And it's just a devastating combination with Travis 310 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Kelsey and with Patrick Mahomes. But we also see and 311 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: I gave you go back at the beginning of the 312 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: of the podcast, all of these percentages and what these 313 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: tight ends mean to some of the top quarterbacks in 314 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: the National Football League. We're at halftime of this particular podcast. 315 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: You know how it works, twelve minutes for an NFL halftime, 316 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: You get a second. They're good, and now we enter 317 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: the second half of this discussion as we refit the 318 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: backpack get ready to climb the mountain and talk about 319 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: the tight ends. And as we've done with the other 320 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: position groups in the first three weeks of this series, 321 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: we're going to dive into the podcays and I'm gonna 322 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: include the guys that right now aren't on the roster. 323 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: They're considered free agents. And that includes the two guys 324 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: that were on the roster throughout much of the year, 325 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: if not all the year, Blake Bell, the Witchtown native 326 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: uh Dion Yelder. But for Blake Bell, I thought he 327 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: played his best football in the postseason. He got his 328 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: first ever touchdown ever against the Houston Protections. That prompted 329 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: it was so big at prompted Fisher's celebration, which is 330 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: now you know, become a thing of folklore. But I 331 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: thought Blake Bell played his best football in the postseason. Now, 332 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: he definitely did him. He showed so much growth. We 333 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: knew what we had right, he had four or five 334 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: years on his belt. He came here. How you're gonna 335 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 1: back up Kelsey. You're gonna, you know, do some red 336 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: zone block and run block a little bit. Uh make 337 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: sure that when they focus on Kelsey, we maybe it 338 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: hits you with a little screen here and there, but 339 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna be a featured offense. He 340 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: took those opportunities to learn from Kelsey, you know, learning 341 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: his footsteps, his footwork, learning his releases, UM, learning how 342 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: to high point balls and how to find and soft 343 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: spots and sit down in the zone. UM, learning when 344 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: the runaway from man and things like that, and just 345 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: paying attention to what was going on in this environment, 346 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: this atmosphere, there's no greater experience for a player. I 347 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 1: think to be kind of lost in some other teams. 348 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: Whereas Jacksonville, Miami lost in the team like Cincinnati, it 349 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: hasn't lost, hasn't won games for a decade. And how 350 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: hard it is to come in every work every week, 351 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: go to work, put in that same that same amount 352 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: of intensity, go out there expecting to win, you're disappointed 353 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: and got to do it again for sixteen seventeen weeks 354 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: in another season, in another season, without ever feeling the 355 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: joy of victory. And then you come here to Kansas 356 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: City and the areas, Hey man, let your personality show. 357 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Play fast, play aggressive, hey learn, learn your position, learn 358 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: where you post the line, and simon football, go make plays. 359 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: And then being in the offense with a guy that 360 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: can actually get you the ball on stride, that understands 361 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: defenses to the point where he's not gonna lead you 362 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: into big hits and leads you into getting your head 363 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: taking off and stuff like that. So the trust level 364 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: between the tight end position in the quarterback position is 365 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: outstanding here. So to be a part of that and 366 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: now have opportunity to decide whether you want to test 367 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: free agency or come on back to what you know 368 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: is a good thing. Put another year of successfulness in 369 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: this kind of offense under your belt. I mean, I 370 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: think going forth, when we talk about the longevity of 371 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: his career, the smart move for him might be to 372 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: come back to God's Country and coming back on the 373 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: Camps City and get a little bit more of that 374 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: my Home's magic before he hits free agency and he 375 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: is which Shanna, he played a Bishop Carroll High School. 376 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: I'll say that a lot when during the play by play. 377 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: But he is home, I mean this is his home now. 378 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Croc Pod guys, last week we talked about a linebacker. Yeah, 379 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: a linebacker can be croc pod guys. And same with 380 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: the offensive line. Now when I say croc we say 381 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: croc pod guys. It's not a derogatory term. It's actually 382 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: a compliment because teams think enough of you, they keep 383 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: you around and pay you to develop you. Okay, in 384 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: this position on the on the practice squad at tight end, 385 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: David Wells LSA. Mac nick Kaiser has been around for 386 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: a while, kind of a practice squad guy. Um. And 387 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: then John love It. It's really interesting to me good 388 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: preseason last year. Was a Princeton quarterback. Is he a fullback? 389 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: Is he a tight end? Well, maybe he's both. But 390 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 1: to me, of the croc Pod guys, all of them 391 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: deserved discussion. But to me, John Lovett is a name 392 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: that Chiefs fans are forgotten about and they're going to 393 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: see him around camp next year going, oh that's the dude. 394 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: Because he got hurt last year in the preseason he 395 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: had to go to the croc pod. Yeah you say 396 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: that name. I just to remember that number four. He 397 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: catching that little, uh like a little flat route and 398 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: turn it up sideline and then up showing people he 399 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 1: could he could run with the ball. Um And I 400 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 1: asked you when we talked about him, Hey man, what 401 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: position any of the ex quarterback? So when you have 402 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: X quarterbacks, it's the playbook opens up because they understand 403 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: philosophy so much. They understand the fundamentals of blocking schemes 404 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: and protections teams. And so instead of those guys going 405 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: out and just learning their position and trying to figure 406 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: out their position, they already have such a great starting 407 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: point because they are X quarterbacks. And so when you 408 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: get X quarterbacks on your roster, it opens up the 409 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: fake plays, It opens up the wildcat plays because they're 410 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: comfortable with the ball on special teams, being up back 411 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: running fakes. Um Nanny, he's a tight end, so you 412 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: know he catches the ball well. So he's one of 413 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: those utility knives. I think we've seen Taysom Hill with 414 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: the Saints be that same kind of personnel where you 415 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: just never know where they're gonna line up and sometimes 416 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: such a slippery slope on defense, thinking about when that 417 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: guy lines up in a position it's not natural. What 418 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: is the ofphense trying to do? And when it gets 419 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: your mind thinking about that, then they hit you with 420 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: a basic play for ten fifteen yards. And with John 421 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: Lovett Man, we saw him. He started to pick up 422 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 1: some momentum before the injury. And it's gonna be so exciting. 423 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: We talk about that crock pot. Just to let him boil, 424 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: let him bake a little bit during the off season. 425 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: Lift some ways, get strong, that simmer going on. Seasoning, 426 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: build up that pro body, you know, build up so 427 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: he can he can be he can be impervious to 428 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: soft tissue injuries and some of those little nicks and 429 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: necks that sometimes whole young guys back. Um. And now 430 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: he understands the pace of play in the place of practice. Um, 431 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: he's gonna be one of coach tobes, a tip of 432 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: the spear guys. He's gonna be a uh, you know, 433 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: four core teams guy. UM that that that that position 434 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: is very valuable to a team that we know is 435 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: gonna have to make some some budgeting um issues, some 436 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: budgeting cuts. UM. To get everybody under that fifty three 437 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: man roster. Your chasing Hill analogy for John Lovett is 438 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: an interesting one. Shockingly to your point, Travis Kelsey was 439 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: a former quarterback, and yes we ran wildcat plays to him, 440 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: throw the ball and do all kinds of stuff. Uh show, 441 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 1: These former quarterback that turn into tight ends are almost 442 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: like the former college basketball players, Honest to goodness. You know, 443 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 1: I do a lot of college basketball, not as much 444 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: as I used to. But when I go out to 445 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: do these games, I'll kid, you're not. I'm as serious 446 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 1: as I can be. Because even there's times the scouting 447 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: staff has said, go watch barbarat the University of Richmond, 448 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: a big kid. Tell me what you think I'll be 449 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: looking for a tight end. I'm serious like, and I'll 450 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: see a kid and I'll check out with the strength 451 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: and conditioning and I'll try to watch your feet and 452 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: see how they move, and then I'll go ask does 453 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: he have the mentality? Think you want to give it 454 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: a try? And we start Rico gathers of Baylor end 455 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: up with the Dallas Cowboys. I mean so, I mean 456 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: we kind of joke and say ha ha, but it's 457 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: a it's a serious thing to find these guys that 458 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: can become tight ends. Now the division, this is a 459 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: really good tenight end division. Not only is there Travis Kelsey, 460 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: but Darren Waller of Oakland eleven hundred and forty five 461 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: yards last year on ninety catches. So he was not 462 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: that far off the pace of Kelsey. In fact, he 463 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: was right there. And then you look at Noah Perhaps 464 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: in Denver, who's developing. Hunter Henry, I know, is a 465 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: free agent with the Chargers, but I'll be stunned if 466 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: they don't resign him. Now, these are all those guys 467 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: that are good, could be great using your aguity from 468 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: the beginning of the podcast. But the division to me 469 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: is trying to also find the next Kelsey. Oh definitely. 470 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 1: And so you've got some other free agents that could, 471 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, evolve in that role. You got Jordan Read 472 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: and Eric Ebron and Tyler Eifert, we tald. You didn't 473 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: talk about Austin Hooper yet, Darren fails. You know, the 474 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: old man Jason Witten right, he's trying to kind of 475 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: rebirth rebirth of Slick, trying to bring his career back. 476 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: So everybody is constantly kicking the tires on these tight 477 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: ends to see if they can find a little bit 478 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: of spark, a little bit of magic, because everybody understands 479 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: how important that tight end position is to making that 480 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: offense go. And when you got quarterbacks, we put so 481 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: much pressure on them to understand and see everything. If 482 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: they don't have a release valve, they don't have somebody 483 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 1: that they can know, whether you got Kelsey covered or not. 484 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: There's always a place to throw the ball that he 485 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: can come down and catch the ball. It's always a 486 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: good throw if you throw it in his direction. And 487 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: I think that was gave. You know, we talked about 488 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: Trent Green, talk about the quarterbacks. I played with Tony 489 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: Gonzalez in all the years he played here, he would 490 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: tell you he was never not open. Now, whether whether 491 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: whether it was a defender between him and the quarterback 492 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: or not, that might have been a situation that might 493 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: have been something to talk about, But there was always 494 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: an area that Tony Gonzalez feels like, even when you're 495 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: covering him, you can throw it a little bit higher 496 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: or throw a back shoulder. He had great enough hands 497 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: to go down low, and he says the one thing 498 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: he realized when somebody was guarding him man to man, 499 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: if you're looking at him, you ain't got him covered 500 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: because he'll catch the ball before you can break it up. 501 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: And so unless you got your eyes on that quarterback, 502 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 1: and then when you look at the quarterback, he's able 503 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,120 Speaker 1: to stop and rear routing. So he's man to stay 504 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: with me. I'm always open um. And the only reason 505 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't is when the pass rush get to the quarterback. 506 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: That's the only way you covered great tight ends consistently 507 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: is the pass rush has to get to the quarterback, 508 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: make them uncomfortable so they can't throw it where they 509 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: want to throw it. The mathematician says, catch radius. He's 510 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: always here. Catch radius is what you're you know, that 511 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: whole thing span and Kelsey's got it, Gonzales had it, 512 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 1: and the great tight ends have it. Uh, you bring 513 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: up a point. Durren Fells of Houston to me, he's 514 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: a very interesting Claire. Another guy it's on that free 515 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: agent list right now is Michael pruittt of Tennessee. So 516 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: he's kind of in that category of that next level 517 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: of guy that the and again the three tight end system, 518 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: don't big Redd will use that too. He kind of 519 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: revolutionized it back in twenty fourteen out of necessity. That's 520 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 1: the first year really that Kelsey came alive. But the 521 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: Chiefs would run that accordion tight end set where there's 522 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: one of the line of scrimmage, one on the hip 523 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: of the gun on the line of scrimmage, and one 524 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: on the on the hip of the hip. So I 525 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: don't think the Big Red won't pull that out at 526 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: some time and mess with somebody in that regard. We 527 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: under the fourth quarter of this podcast are defending the 528 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: Kingdom podcast, refitting the backpack for the twenty twenty climb 529 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: up the mountain, and looking at tight ends. Now let's 530 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: talk and finish with what the college game is providing. Yes, 531 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: there is a good list of guys here that could 532 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: be available in the later rounds. Some in the first 533 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: maybe a thirty second when the Chiefs pick if they 534 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: stay put gunn in Cole Comet at Notre Dame had 535 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: a good combine. He's kind of rising up the board. 536 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go through guys here. Hunter Bryan of 537 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Washington struggles as a blocker, but he's more of that 538 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: receiving tight end. Jared Pinkney Vanderbilt had a slow run 539 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: at the combine. A flex tight end, the guy you've 540 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: talked about throughout this podcast, Harrison Bryant, Florida Atlantic. Then 541 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: there's Okubayu, the kid from kid from Missouri Albert Albert ouh. 542 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: They call him oku Abu hum. But a kid that's 543 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, been interesting, Uh just speed. Question is can 544 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: you know be an effort? And there's a small school kid, 545 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: Adam Troutman from Dayton. Dayton plays nine scholarship football. They're 546 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: playing early. They're not with you guys in Atlantic ten 547 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 1: with this awesome basketball team they've got, had a really 548 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: good senior Bowl, did not run well at the combine. 549 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: I just gave you a list of guys that the 550 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: college game is producing. What is the college game producing 551 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 1: at this position that the NFL needs so desperate way, Well, 552 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: I think it's it's creating up guys that come in 553 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 1: ready to play. They're come in with an understanding what 554 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: the spread offense looks like, what it's like to be 555 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: ultra versal. You have to have a skill set of blocking. 556 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: You have to have a great base, you have to 557 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: be able to hang on the tackles hip and block 558 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: an elite pass rushing you got to be able to 559 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: block an in with you and a running back both 560 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: together and keep keep the keep them off a quarterback 561 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: from killing your quarterback. Um, you gotta be able to 562 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: control the safeties, Like I said, you gotta be in 563 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 1: the control of the safety in the middle of the field. UM. 564 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: You got to run some precise routes. You got to 565 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: have a feeling of winning routes over and how to 566 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: create an exit path and a release valve for your quarterback. Um, 567 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: you have to do all those things. But you gotta 568 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: also realize that you know half the time your your 569 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: your back's gonna be turned to the defense, and you 570 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: gotta be able to take a licking. You gotta be 571 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: able to take some of those hits and get up. UM. 572 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: Some of the greatest, most proudest moments ahead of Travis 573 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: Kelsey the seasons when he got lit up a few 574 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 1: times and he kept getting up, kept getting up, answering 575 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: the bells, what you call it. Uh, never never tapping 576 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: himself out. Always wanted to be in there when it 577 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: was in the red zone. UM, in the fourth quarter, 578 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: right before halftime, whenever it's the most important times. UM, 579 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: he never checked himself out. Of the game and so 580 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: that kind of mental toughness. UM. I think we're seeing 581 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: more and more and we're just seeing more athletes. UM. 582 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 1: These guys we all mentioned are all great athletes, and 583 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: that they're all six four sixty five two hundred and 584 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: fifty pounds UM, and they run like linebackers. They they 585 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: they're all you know you know, uh for eight guys, 586 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: I have old guys um and able to really stretch 587 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: the scenes, put a lot of pressure on your your 588 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: defense going up the scenes with your safeties and your linebackers. UM. 589 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: But then you also get guys we got, you know, 590 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: a couple of wide receivers, a guy like Chase Claypool, right, big, 591 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: a big, oversized wide receiver who if you look at 592 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: this frame, you know, you give him a couple of looks. Yeah, 593 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: you can put ten twenty more pounds back on that frame. 594 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: He wouldn't lose too much speed. He has great hands, 595 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: great like you said, catch radius, awesome eye for the ball, 596 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: can be an awesome red zone target. UM. So you 597 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: start thinking about things you can do with him. And 598 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: he's not a top you know ten, top fifteen wide receivers, 599 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: so he'll be available in the third round. All these 600 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: tight ends will be available in the you know, second 601 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 1: and third round, so you don't have to even uh, 602 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: you don't have to trade up for these these guys 603 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: that are gonna fall into your lap. Um and when 604 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: you when you feel like they felt failth you know 605 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: enough down the draft board did their skill level demands 606 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: for you to take them. Um. If you look at 607 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: our team, um, we are going to be thin at 608 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: the tight end position. We have so many free agents 609 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: right now. Right Kelsey's the only one in the contracts. 610 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: So we gotta we gotta, you know, build through the ranks. 611 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: And so grabbing one of these tight ends laid in 612 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: the rounds third or fourth round would not be something 613 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: I see? Is uh that out of out, out of 614 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: the scenario for the Chiefs draft strategy. I'm gonna give 615 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: you now, we're gonna talk about wide receivers in a 616 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: couple of weeks here, but a kid named Jody Fortson, Yes, sir, 617 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: that's who fits what you just talked about me be 618 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: fitting the frame. We're now a big, big wide receiver, 619 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: big bone kid who's listed as a wide receiver. To me, 620 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 1: looks more like it could be a tight end type yes, yes, 621 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: more time. So we'll just tease that one for the 622 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: wide receivers. But next week we're gonna go to maybe 623 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: the strong round, not the strongest position the team. We 624 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: know quarterback is there, but on the defense, the safety group, 625 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: and what an exciting group that is and what they 626 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: did to lead the Chiefs to the Super Bowl. All right, Shop, 627 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: here we go with tight ends. We know how important 628 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: they are to the National Football League. We love ours 629 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: in the Chiefs Kingdom. But just know this, everybody in 630 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 1: the NFL is looking for the next And as you said, great, 631 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: he's Sean Barber aka the Shop aka the Spider Man 632 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: aka the Barber Shop. I'm at Chulter's Voice of the Chiefs. 633 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: Next week we're gonna refit the backpack some more and 634 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: talk about one of the strongest positions on the roster, 635 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: the safety position. Thanks for listening to the Chief's official 636 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: podcast network to touch Down, wash it Down, and the 637 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: celebration begin to their head.