1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren Boga bam here by now we know 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: the various symptoms, the fever, shortness of breath, the nausea 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: and a nasmia, the signature dry cough. Since the COVID 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: nineteen pandemic began, more than two d and thirty four 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: million people have become intimately familiar with some combination of 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: these telltale signs as they grappled with the novel coronavirus. 8 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: For many, recovery began two or three weeks later. For 9 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: some COVID nineteen patients, though the symptoms have never gone away. 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: Months after their first positive test, COVID long haulers still 11 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: experienced splitting headaches, nerve and joint pain, fatigue, cognitive sluggishness 12 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: also known as brain fog, and occasionally distortion of smell 13 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: and taste. This experience has been dubbed long COVID, and 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: it's an ongoing fight against symptoms from a virus that 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: was supposed to have run its course. It's become prevalent 16 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: enough that the National Institutes of Health or NIH, announced 17 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: a one point one five billion dollar four year initiative 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 1: to study the disease in December. So today, let's take 19 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: a deeper look at what we know about long COVID 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: and how doctors might go about treating it. We know 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: that symptoms of long COVID set in after an initial 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: infection with the coronavirus. However, scientists haven't fully uncovered why 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: these symptoms persist in some people but not others. That said, 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: there are a few hypotheses. The first is that the 25 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: virus simply never leaves the body, known as viral persistence. 26 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: Certain viruses can take up residents in their host's body. 27 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: Once the acute infection cycle is finished. These renegade viruses 28 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: hide out in tissues where they may act like guerilla fighters, 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: causing chronic, low to mid level symptoms punctu ated by 30 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: periods of dormancy. For example, the chickenpox virus normally infects 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: kids at a relatively young age, causing mild, if incredibly 32 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: annoying symptoms. However, the virus can stay in the infected 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: individual's body well into adulthood, re emerging as a nasty 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: case of shingles. A research published in the journal Nature 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: in September also suggests that the ebolavirus may remain in 36 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: the systems of those who survive their initial infection, leading 37 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: to chronic issues like muscle fatigue and an increased risk 38 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: of miscarriage. Another hypothesis is that in certain cases, COVID 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: nineteen can lead to organ or tissue damage. Inflammation is 40 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: one of your body's natural immune responses to viruses like coronavirus, 41 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: but that natural response can go haywire for some patients. 42 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen infection can trigger a severe, cascading inflammatory response 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: in multiple organ systems, including the lungs, brain, and blood vessels, 44 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: lead in to what's known as a cytokine storm. This 45 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: can result in scar tissue build up in the lungs, 46 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: long term heart complications, or even an elevated risk of stroke. Finally, 47 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: it could be the case that long COVID is triggered 48 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: by other opportunistic viruses. In fact, a June study in 49 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: the journal Pathogens found that COVID nineteen patients are more 50 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 1: susceptible to infection by a reawakened epstein bar virus, the 51 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: same pathogen that causes mononucleosis. For the article of this 52 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: episode is based on how stuff Work. Spoke with Michael 53 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: van Elzacker PhD, a neuroscience researcher at Harvard Medical School. 54 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: He explained, when there's an acute infection, other viruses can 55 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: often take advantage of that and sort of start to 56 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: do their own thing. These hypotheses and others are being 57 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: investigated by various research groups, including Van Elzecker's. However, he 58 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: cautions that long COVID is likely not a one size 59 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: fits all diagnosis. He said, we have to be a 60 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: little bit careful that we don't consider this some unique, 61 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: standalone problem. It's probably not going to be the same 62 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: thing for every single person. Due to the relatively recent 63 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: emergence of the novel coronavirus, it's difficult to say with 64 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: certainty who is at most risk for long COVID, but 65 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: thanks to the efforts of scientists and statisticians across the globe, 66 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: a much clearer picture is beginning to emerge. In a 67 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: study published in September of twenty twenty one in the 68 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: journal Plos Medicine, researchers found that about thirty six percent 69 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: of patients studied were still experiencing COVID like symptoms three 70 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: and six months after they initially tested positive for the virus. 71 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: Most previous studies have estimated lingering COVID nineteen symptoms in 72 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: between ten and thirty percent of patients, including in April 73 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: one UK study of more than twenty thousand patients, which 74 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: found that thirteen point seven percent of participants were still 75 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: experiencing symptoms at least twelve weeks after diagnosis. The new study, 76 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: which was led by scientists at the University of Oxford, 77 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: searched anonymized data for millions of electronic health records to 78 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: identify a study group of more than two hundred and 79 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: seventy three thousand patients with COVID nineteen. Survivor bias might 80 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: also skew the age numbers for long COVID. A separate 81 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: September one study by the UK Office of National Statistics 82 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: found that people between the ages of fifty and sixty 83 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: nine were most likely to report long term symptoms, especially 84 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: if they had other pre existing health conditions, but as 85 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: other research has pointed out, this might be because older 86 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: folks are more likely to die from the disease. So far, 87 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: it seems that vaccination cuts the risk of developing long 88 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: COVID roughly in half. Unfortunately, treatment options for long COVID 89 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: are fairly limited. At the moment. Because the source of 90 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 1: long COVID is much trickier to pin down than an 91 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: acute COVID nineteen infection, it puts doctors and patients alike 92 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: in a difficult bind, and without a standard treatment protocol 93 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: in place, medical providers often feel helpless to recommend a 94 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: course of action while their patients continue to suffer. The 95 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: other issue is that chronic conditions are often complex and 96 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,119 Speaker 1: resource intensive to treat, and they come with a certain 97 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: amount of stigma. Study published in Pain Medicine found that 98 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: eighty eight percent of patients who had chronic pain reported 99 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: being disbelieved by their primary care provider about their experience. 100 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: But some hospitals, such as U C. L A Health, 101 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: are beginning to offer long COVID treatment plans accustomized for 102 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: each individual patient, and some of these plans include input 103 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: from psychologists and other mental health professionals in addition to neurologists, cardiologists, 104 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: and infectious disease experts. Health care providers hope that these 105 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: more robust mental health resources will help long COVID patients 106 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: not only manage their cognitive symptoms, but also the emotional 107 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: distress and fatigue that accomp niece chronic illness. Today's episode 108 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: is based on the article one in three who had 109 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen have long COVID symptoms, says Oxford study on 110 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot Com written by Joanna Thompson. 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