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Speaker 1: Bell said, which she didn't, I had nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with it, Chad Daybill did it. Well, you either have

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Speaker 1: to redact the name day Bell out of the statement

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Speaker 1: and bring it in because we don't know Chad Daybill

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Speaker 1: will take the stance, so we can't be cross examined.

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Speaker 1: Under the constitution, she would have a right to cross

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Speaker 1: examine anyone that made a claim against her and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: So as long as it's not a death penalty and

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Speaker 1: there are no interlinked statements, they're going to be tried together. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to be tried together too, and

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Speaker 1: that changes the discovery issue. Right when they're tried together,

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Speaker 1: they are both entitled to the same information. Now, if

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Speaker 1: I'm defense, I am going to though argue that it

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Speaker 1: needs to be separated because of the prejudicial aspect of it, right,

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Speaker 1: and that my client necessarily is prejudiced by the fact

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Speaker 1: they're being tried together with the other cohort in this crime.

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Speaker 1: And I think we may yet see this is my prediction,

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Speaker 1: just my opinion, that we may yet see one of

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Speaker 1: them throw the other one right under the bus and

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Speaker 1: say I didn't do it, he did it, or I

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Speaker 1: didn't do it, she did. It hadn't happened yet, but

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Speaker 1: I think it may be coming. In the meantime, the

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Speaker 1: prosecution does want this case to be tried together, and

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Speaker 1: at this moment in time, that's what we expect. I

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Speaker 1: just think it may change crime stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: for those of you just joining us, outrageous demands by

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Speaker 1: cult mom Laurie Valor, what's next a weekly massage, facial

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Speaker 1: and pedicure. Right now, she's actually demanding to the judge

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Speaker 1: she gets her own private cell phone behind ours. But

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Speaker 1: how in the hay did this whole thing start? Take

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Speaker 1: a listen to Laurie Value herself. Someone wise speaking to

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Speaker 1: me and said, you need to go to the tumbl

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Speaker 1: So I went and met my bishop and I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm either going to turn my life to the tumble

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Speaker 1: or I'm going to commit murder. Joseph died in April

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, several months before this recording took place. At

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Speaker 1: the time, it was ruled an apparent heart attack, but

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Speaker 1: now Phoenix police say they're going to review the case.

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Speaker 1: Joseph's sister release a statement to Arizona's family, saying, in part,

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Speaker 1: it may have been reasonable to perform a cursory autopsy

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Speaker 1: and rule the cause of death as natural. At the time,

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Speaker 1: it went on to say, when someone shows you who

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Speaker 1: they are, believe them. You were just hearing our friends

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Speaker 1: at eat Idaho neews dot com. How it all started

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Speaker 1: is when Laurie Valo falls under the spell of Chad

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Speaker 1: day Bell. As a result, her husband or then current

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Speaker 1: husband Valo is killed. In addition to her previous husband

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Speaker 1: turns up dead, his wife dies in her sleep, her

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Speaker 1: brother Alex ends up dead under mysterious circumstances, and two

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Speaker 1: of her children all dead. All of these players connected

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Speaker 1: to one person. Laurie Valoe straight back out to Eric Grossarth,

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Speaker 1: reporter with East Idaho News dot com, what more can

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Speaker 1: you tell us are the two of them, cult mom,

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Speaker 1: Laurie Valo and Chad day Bill is still canoodling by phone,

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Speaker 1: you know, the two of them. They can't talk to

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Speaker 1: each other. Well, once you're in jail like this, an inmate,

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Speaker 1: let's stay here in the jail where I am in

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Speaker 1: Idaho Falls, wants to call an inmate in Rexburg where

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Speaker 1: Laurie is. You can't do that. You can't talk to

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Speaker 1: other inmates from jail to jail, so their communication is

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Speaker 1: cut off. I mean, they could write a letter to

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Speaker 1: a family member who passes on that information to somebody,

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Speaker 1: but but direct talks since June, when Chad was arrested.

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Speaker 1: They're done. Laura. Of course, it's been in jail since

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Speaker 1: February and she was able to talk on the phone

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Speaker 1: with Chad, but since June, no communication directly between the two.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go back out to our

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Speaker 1: panel to you, doctor Jeff Gardier, clinical psychologist. Did you

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Speaker 1: hear value state I'm going to commit murder? I did

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Speaker 1: not hear that that was in the last sound, yes, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: in the last sound, that she didn't join that cult,

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Speaker 1: that she would commit murder, And so that speaks volumes

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Speaker 1: to the simple fact that this is a person who

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Speaker 1: had very bad intent, very bad issues happening in her life.

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Speaker 1: And no, Nancy, I'm not saying that she was mentally

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Speaker 1: unstable or that she was insane, but this was someone

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Speaker 1: who was brewing, brewing with a lot of anger, a

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Speaker 1: lot of hate in her life. And certainly I think

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Speaker 1: this does tell us that there is something very serious

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Speaker 1: going on with regard to any connection with her children.

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Speaker 1: But Jeff, have you ever heard the phrase don't speak

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Speaker 1: ill of the dad? Absolutely? Okay, I want you to

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut number eight from our

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Speaker 1: friends at k SLTV. Joseph Ryan died of an apparent

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Speaker 1: heart attack without anyone knowing. Annie Cushing, his sister, says

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Speaker 1: she doesn't want the same fate for his daughter, seventeen

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Speaker 1: year old Kyley Ryan. They were just madly in love.

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Speaker 1: I had never seen Joe, and he recalls her brother

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Speaker 1: Joe Ryan's marriage to Laurie Vallo as a joyful start

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Speaker 1: for the couple. My brother had never been married and

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Speaker 1: he had never had a child, so he was over

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Speaker 1: the man. However, Rannie says a relationship soured. The couple

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Speaker 1: divorced when Tyley was eighteen months old. You know, kind

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Speaker 1: of felt like you know, but a sister. And he

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Speaker 1: says she felt close to Laurie until Joe's death in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen when she flew to Arizona to be with Tayley.

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Speaker 1: Because there was also a lot of atension between Thile

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Speaker 1: and Lorie, and he says Lorie discouraged Tyleie from speaking

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Speaker 1: about her dad. Would actually say the world is a

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Speaker 1: better place with all Joe, Ryan, I mean that says

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Speaker 1: nothing to you, doctor Jeff the guy dies or her

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Speaker 1: ex husband dies, and she says, well, we're all better

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Speaker 1: off without him, the world's a better place, which which

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Speaker 1: is also now brings us back to supposedly he died

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Speaker 1: of a heart attack, but is that now a suspicious issue?

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Speaker 1: And of course she's speaking badly about him and talks

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Speaker 1: of parental alienation with her own children towards their father.

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Speaker 1: This is not good. This again goes back to the

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Speaker 1: whole issue of someone who's self centered, perhaps a personality disorder,

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Speaker 1: but it's all about her emotions, all about what she wants. Narcissism.

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Speaker 1: And I noticed speaking narcissism to you just got Morgan

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Speaker 1: death investigator. You've been in the courtrooms for many, many

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Speaker 1: homicide cases. Speaking of narcissism, when coltmum Laurie Valley made

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Speaker 1: her first appearance, one of her first appearances in court,

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Speaker 1: she made sure that somehow before she went in that courtroom.

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Speaker 1: Reminds me a little bit of Jodi Arius, who we

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Speaker 1: saw primping and pattering herself and adjusting her hair and makeup.

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Speaker 1: And this is while she's behind bars, but she's giving

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Speaker 1: an interview about the murder of her lover, Travis Alexander.

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Speaker 1: When Colmum Laurie Valley walked into the courtroom, she had

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Speaker 1: just had her nails done, her toe nails and fingernails

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Speaker 1: because she was wearing flipflops. She had her hair done

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Speaker 1: and mermaid curls, and somehow had gotten a hold of

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Speaker 1: eyeshadow and makeup and lip gloss behind bars. Speak. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're in court about the deaths, the murders of your

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Speaker 1: two children, and you're worried about making some homemade lipstick

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Speaker 1: behind bars. Yeah, And you know that goes like doctor

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Speaker 1: Jeff was saying as well, this idea of narcissism relative

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Speaker 1: to this, it shows you apparently at least you know

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Speaker 1: in viewing this how little value she places on life

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Speaker 1: other than specifically her life, her outward appearance and this

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Speaker 1: sort of thing. And you know, dealing with narcissistic types

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Speaker 1: and particularly sociopaths in killings, for me, at least, you

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Speaker 1: see that, you know, they have the ability to dehumanize

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Speaker 1: the victims many times and just absolutely do the most

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Speaker 1: brutal things that most people can't even begin to comprehend.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't comprehend them when I would be standing even

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Speaker 1: over the dead bodies. And so that gives you this

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Speaker 1: kind of idea of diminishment that might be in dwelling

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Speaker 1: here and you know, and and still not willing to,

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Speaker 1: you know, put forth the effort to help to help

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Speaker 1: the investigators. That's that's what's striking to me about this

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Speaker 1: case is that we've been following for months and months

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Speaker 1: and months, and it's like the kids get left in

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Speaker 1: the rear view mirror here, you know, all along and

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Speaker 1: it's all about her, it's all about chat. Eric gros

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Speaker 1: artha reporter with The East Idahoo News dot com. I

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Speaker 1: know you say that there was a trial date. I

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Speaker 1: doubt that's going to happen. When do you really expect

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Speaker 1: the current case to go to trial or are you

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Speaker 1: expecting a superseding indictment that will include murder or the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit murder? And what do you think the

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Speaker 1: state is waiting on. Do they have to have everything

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Speaker 1: nailed down with Tammy Daville's case before these two were

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Speaker 1: tried for the murders of JJ entirely? You know, this

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00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: is one of those cases that is so complex because

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Speaker 1: there's so much at play. I mean, they've had to

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Speaker 1: investigate the death of Alex Cox and Joseph Ryan, which

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Speaker 1: those two are closed out now they are still finishing

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Speaker 1: Charles Valo, Tammy day Bell, and then the two children

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Speaker 1: JJ Entily. So there's four deaths that they're still looking

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Speaker 1: at on these related to Lori and Chad. I mean,

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Speaker 1: these are things that they are still working at. And

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Speaker 1: yes there is the trial scheduled for July, but everything

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00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,479
Speaker 1: keeps changing, just with the current pandemic around the world,

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Speaker 1: everything gets pushed back trild dates. I've seen them changed

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Speaker 1: over and over again. And so I'm not a scientist.

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Speaker 1: I don't have the magic answer of when courts will

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Speaker 1: open up again. So I can't give you a good

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Speaker 1: answer of when that jury trial will happen, but it

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Speaker 1: is set for July. That's what we are ready for.

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Speaker 1: But again, it could change. I don't have that answer

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Speaker 1: for you. Sorry, Nancy. Wait wait as just as unfalls,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,