1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: It's that time time, time, time, luck and load. So 2 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: Michael Verie Show is on the air. 3 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: I got an email during the break somebody has said, 4 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 2: we should teach our kids money. They should learn about 5 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: mortgages and interest rates and compounding and investing. You know, 6 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: when I was running for city council, first time it was, 7 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: the election was in two thousand and one, but I 8 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 2: went around to well respected business leaders around town and 9 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: one of them was a guy named Dean Kannally, and 10 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: he had a blue chip, well respected boutique trust company 11 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: called Kannale Trust, and you had to have a certain 12 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 2: threshold to be a client of his boutique firm. And 13 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 2: at the time it felt like eighty trillion dollars, but 14 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 2: we didn't. Incomes and wealth increased exponentially in the last 15 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: two decades in a way they had never on scale 16 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: like that before. So let's say you had to have 17 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 2: a million dollars in two thousand to be his client, 18 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: which was a big threshold. And I asked for his 19 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 2: support to run for city council and he said, I 20 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: will give you my support if you will give me 21 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: an hour to talk about the fundamentals of finance, personal 22 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: finance I want you to understand how they work, and 23 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: I want to explain it to you, and I want 24 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: you to listen to me. And I did, and it 25 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: probably turned into two hours. And I didn't do a 26 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,239 Speaker 2: lot of what he told me to do at the time, 27 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: wish I had, but I did some and it stayed 28 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: in my mind, and as I got older, and I 29 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: started thinking about things like, what if you have a 30 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: stroke and can't work anymore, what if you get fired? 31 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: What what if? What if? What are you doing to 32 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 2: at least make sure that you got, you know, via 33 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: any sausages and saltine crackers, for the rest of your life. 34 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: And so I think about all the things that people 35 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 2: don't know, that they either learned the hard way too late, 36 00:02:55,400 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: or never learn and don't understand. And I think that's 37 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: unfortunate because we all pay into this school system, whether 38 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: we send kids there or not. We all pay into 39 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 2: this school system to teach young people things. And I 40 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: think we got lost along the way as to what's important. 41 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: And if I'm being completely honest and I'm not insulting 42 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: women and I'm not insulting teachers, I think that in 43 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 2: most cases you've got teachers who are women who themselves 44 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: don't know anything about finance, are engineering or science who 45 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: even the best intended teachers are caregivers. They love children, 46 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 2: they want to see children develop, They care a lot 47 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: about a child's confidence, and these sorts of things, which 48 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: is good, don't get me wrong, But you can't teach 49 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: what you don't know. Who was it Seneca who said 50 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: teaching is learning. When I give a speech, which I 51 00:03:57,800 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: give fewer and fewer these days, but when I give 52 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: speech to a group and they asked me to speak 53 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: on a particular subject, instead of just speak, I will 54 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: often go back and review facts and figures and things 55 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 2: about what I'm going to talk about. And that's not 56 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 2: teaching per se, but in a sense it is. And 57 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 2: I find that at the end of that I feel 58 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 2: very refreshed and invigorated from that learning process I undertook 59 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: to get to the point to deliver that speech. Let's 60 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 2: start with Chris, then Kyle, then Gay, Dave, then Heather, 61 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: than Mike. Chris, You're on the Michael, But how about that, Chris, Kyle? 62 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: What what? What just happened? Chris? You're up? Go ahead? 63 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: I bet Ramon didn't pot him on. 64 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 3: Go ahead, Chris, yes, I was just calling to say 65 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: how they should teach you, you know, on and common 66 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: sense things like how to change a timer, how to 67 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,239 Speaker 3: change a light bulb, how to do cond of things 68 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 3: that these kids these days, they don't know what to do. 69 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 2: They're just agreed. I mean, you look ideally a dad 70 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: out to teach his kid that, and I think there's 71 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: a lot of people who would say, yeah, they ought 72 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: to who haven't done that. You know, sports is such 73 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: a such an interesting thing because it's very natural. I 74 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: grew up playing youth sports, so I wanted my kids 75 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: to play youth sports. I spent so much quality time 76 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: with my kids, driving them to and from sports, hitting grounders, 77 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: catching balls, throwing balls, throwing hitting up pop flies, teaching 78 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: them the elements of the sports. I loved that they 79 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: were then playing. And it's a very natural and easy thing. 80 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: I think if you didn't grow up learning how to 81 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: change the tire, change the light bulb, take things up, 82 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: part replace them, then you don't teach it to your child. 83 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 2: You know, people teach their kids to fish because they 84 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 2: themselves fished. Wh she's a great father son. It's not 85 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 2: life skill, except maybe it is because having a hobby 86 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: developing a hobby I think is an important life skill. 87 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 2: It is something I've not been very good at. My 88 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 2: hobby is learning, and I learned to channel that. But 89 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: people who love to hunt love to fish. I think 90 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 2: it's an important part of good sound mindset. Kyle, you're up, go. 91 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: What should people learn in school that they don't now? 92 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 4: I've got a long laundry list, But my biggest pet 93 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: peeve is learning how to hold a writing instrument, how 94 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 4: to form a letter, and how to write and cursive. 95 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 4: Three children that can do neither, and they're all in 96 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 4: their twenties, and it just drives me crazy whenever they 97 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 4: send me a note. There are two used to being 98 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 4: on the computer or their phone, and they don't learn 99 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 4: the the basic forming a letter. You know, it's crazy 100 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 4: they don't teach that. 101 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: Kyle, let me ask you something, and I'm not disagreeing, 102 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 2: but I've given this some thought. Why is it important 103 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: that children learn cursive? 104 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 4: Because the best form of saying thank you is a 105 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: personal handwritten note you're drop in the mailbox. 106 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 2: But you can write a hand novel note that is printed. 107 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: I've asked myself this and I can't come up with 108 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: a good answer. I wish somebody would answer this for 109 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: me and help me out. 110 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 4: I just believe it looks more formal and as opposed 111 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: to thanks and block lettering. You know, yeah, I suppose 112 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 4: my opinion. 113 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: I suppose you're right for me. I didn't give you 114 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 2: my answer because I wanted to hear yours for me. 115 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: There's something unique about each person's cursive. Is it loopy? 116 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: Is is it tight? Is it does it lean like italics? 117 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Do they press hard or light? I find all of 118 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 2: those things to be, you know, part of our signature, 119 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: part of our DNA, part of our individuality, and I 120 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: find that interesting. All right, Gay, Dave and Heather, y'all 121 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 2: hold on for just a moment. And we have phone 122 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: lines that just opened up seven three, nine, one thousand. 123 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: They're all duncans, And do you know duncan means your y'oll. 124 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: I got an email in the break from a full name. Okay, 125 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 2: he's Greg, his son is Michael, and I had asked 126 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: on Facebook for people, as I often do, to send 127 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: me quirky unique startup businesses. Businesses are nostalgia businesses that 128 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 2: our owner occupied, owner operated. Interesting business callers, Hold just 129 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: a moment, You're right, with you, and he sent me 130 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: an email he said, our son is the founder of 131 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: a company called Pero Pa. Ro started it from scratch. 132 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 2: It's a marketplace for accounting professionals. It matches accountants their 133 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: skill sets with clients in need of fractional services. So 134 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: if you think of Percento Technologies, which has been a 135 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: sponsor of my show for probably fifteen years, Romo, I 136 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: said my show, I'm at our show, me and Chad. 137 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: Percento Technologies was built on the concept that many companies, 138 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: even mid sized companies, don't have the IT prowess. They 139 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: don't have a robust enough IT presence to handle the 140 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: growth and development. And you know that. Let's say they're 141 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: going out to spend a million dollars on technology, just 142 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 2: just upgrading computers, which is what Ramone's wife does for 143 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: Texas law Shield, just buying all new computers. Okay, are 144 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: we going to deploy those? How are we going to 145 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 2: do those? How are we going to make it scalable? 146 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: How are we staying up with where we're going to 147 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: be in a year? I mean, you know, you feel 148 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: bad when you're the guy that buys a year model 149 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: of a car and you don't get a discount because 150 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 2: that model's going away, and two months later they flip 151 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: to a new model and your car looks ten years old. 152 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: You're bummed out right. Well, it's even worse with computers, 153 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: and now you've got security because you got all these hacks, 154 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: you got ransomware and all that and performance, speed and 155 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 2: everything that goes with that. So percento is based on 156 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: the idea that you have an IT department that you 157 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:38,239 Speaker 2: can't afford full time, and you pay a for fractional 158 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 2: interest of their you know, fractional services, because you don't 159 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: need a guy at three hundred thousand dollars a year 160 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: or whatever they make full time half the time he's 161 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: goofing off. You just need a part of what he's doing. 162 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 2: And I would think that would be true with accounting, 163 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: I suppose. I mean, I keep my accountants pretty busy 164 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: at a partners because I want to look at strategically 165 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 2: making good decisions, not just complying with tax codes. I 166 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: don't want to I don't want to push the limits 167 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: because I have a target on my back. But I 168 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: also don't want to miss out on things that are obvious. 169 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: So I need full time accounting services. Some folks that 170 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: are small. I would assume probably only need a little bit, 171 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: and they would be below the threshold of Darroche Partners. 172 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: I get a lot of emails from people who will say, hey, 173 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: can you send me to your accountants? And I vet 174 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: them for Deroche because they're meant for high net worth 175 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 2: individuals and mid sized companies and above. They're not efficient 176 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 2: or cost efficient for a guy just trying to do 177 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: his personal taxes. So you know, I think there's probably 178 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: a niche somewhere in there below what Deroche Partners does. 179 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 2: All right, Gay Dave, you're up? 180 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: Hey? 181 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 6: Mornings are they need to teach the US Constitution and 182 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 6: for at least the whole year so people understand it. 183 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I wonder you know a lot of 184 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 2: people will tell me, do you grow up in Texas? No? 185 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 6: I didn't. I grew up in New Jersey. 186 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 2: That's gay. Do you know that you have you have? Hey? 187 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 6: Can I tell you? 188 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 189 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: But hold on, I want to tell you this. You 190 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 2: have become such a resource for our show that every 191 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: time something comes up, Ramone will say you should ask 192 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: Gay Dave, like, what what is like? There will be 193 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 2: something that happens and he'll say, we don't have good gaytor. 194 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 2: You should ask gay Dave what he thinks about that, 195 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: But I don't want to, you know, I don't want 196 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: to ask you too many questions. But ramone's best. 197 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 6: I can I tell you? Can I tell you a 198 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 6: quick story about a cursive writing about what? When I 199 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 6: was in eighth grade? Yeah, cursive writing story. When I 200 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 6: was in eighth grade, I had a history teacher and 201 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 6: not an English teacher. A history teachers to take off 202 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 6: a point every time I would write partly in print 203 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 6: and not incursive on her tests. So I get one 204 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 6: hundred on the tests and end up with like an eighty. 205 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 6: So one day she's writing on the truck board and 206 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 6: what does she do. She does exactly what she's to 207 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 6: take every every point off for. And I stood up there, 208 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 6: like you hip a creat I went off on her 209 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 6: right and then she started like yelling back. And then 210 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 6: this kid, Jason Cardon, who never gets in trouble, gets 211 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 6: up and starts defending me. His mom was a teacher 212 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 6: in the school, and she kicks us both out of class. 213 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 6: Who went to We had to go see the scariest 214 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: principle ever had mister Dorney this big bowl of a man. 215 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 6: So we get in there and he's like, what are 216 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 6: you two doing in here? And I tell him the story. 217 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 6: He marches us back to class and he pulls her 218 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 6: in the hallway and he starts going off on her. 219 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 6: And I was like, oh my god, this is awesome. 220 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 6: It's like the best moment and shut up. She came 221 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 6: back in with the red face and for the rest 222 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 6: of the year she I mean she hated me anyway, 223 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 6: but she really really hated me. But it was awesome. 224 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: I love it. Thank you, Gay Dave. So, this this 225 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: cursive issue keeps coming up, and look, I can say, yes, 226 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: the kids all have to learn cursive. Cursive is important, 227 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: but I think it's very important that you be able 228 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: to question positions you have and answer them as if 229 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 2: someone else had asked it answered you. So I said earlier, 230 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 2: why is it important that kids learn cursive? I hope 231 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: they learn cursive because I learned cursive, right. I hope 232 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: they think Dan Pastorini's a great guy, because I think 233 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 2: Dan Pastorin's a great guy. But I don't know that 234 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: it's going to make a difference to a kid's future. 235 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 2: I hope they think the oilers were the coolest team 236 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 2: in the NFL. But I don't think it's going to 237 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: make a difference. And if they don't, then I don't 238 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 2: think that's really a position I actould be taken up. 239 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: So I asked the question, why is it important the 240 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,239 Speaker 2: kids learn cursive? I don't disagree, but let's ask questions. 241 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 2: And I keep getting emails from people saying they have 242 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: to be able to read the founding documents. I got 243 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 2: ten emails to that effect. In the first break, can 244 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: you honestly tell me Ramon? I'll ask you. I want 245 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: you to be honest. Have you read the Declaration of 246 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: Independence in the original cursive? 247 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: No? 248 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: You haven't, and you're a history buff and I'm going 249 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: to tell you something else. And people don't want to 250 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: hear this. Nobody has. When I say nobody, it's a 251 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: rounding error because it's less than one percent. Oh no, no, no, 252 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: you've looked at the document during a ken Burn's documentary 253 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 2: when they scrolled across the screen. You've seen pictures of it, 254 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: and you know you've seen the couple of the letters, 255 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: because if you've actually read it, you should be able 256 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: to tell me which letters that we use today were 257 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: not used as such. In the original. Let's just take 258 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: to that the ration of independence, because people tell me 259 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 2: that's important because they don't use the exact spelling. There 260 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 2: are certain letters we use today that they did not 261 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 2: use in that form at that time, and you don't 262 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 2: know that. Do you know why you don't know that? 263 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: Because you didn't read that in cursive. It's also very 264 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 2: hard to read their script because they have a very flowing, 265 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 2: languid style of writing. So what happened? Somebody typed that up? 266 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: You know what typing is. It's print. It's easier to read. 267 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 2: There's a reason you don't read books in cursive. Now. 268 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: I know we're all supposed to say I miss cursive, 269 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: I miss cursing, but I think that's some people are saying. 270 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: If the old documents are the reason you're not reading 271 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 2: old documents cursive, I guarantee you I've got. 272 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: Nothing going on down there, probably. 273 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 2: But it strikes me as interesting how many people get 274 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: angry if you simply question someone my favorite chocolate that 275 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 2: is where I went to school? Is it? Yes? What 276 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 2: were you just saying? I don't my favorite food? Is chocolate? Really? 277 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 2: Is it? 278 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 7: Well? 279 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: Yet? Why would it be? Is it's that's all as 280 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 2: the English will saying, is it? It's almost like Okay, 281 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: So Ramon started asking me questions during the break and said, 282 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: you should tell that on the air. That's interesting, and 283 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 2: I said, I think it's boring, but I'll tell it 284 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: on the air anyway. So people keep emailing me, Hockel 285 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 2: the kids have to learn cursive so they can read 286 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: the original documents. Okay, I'm going to buy in on that. Look, 287 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 2: I think they should learn cursive to preserve history. I 288 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: just want to be very clear what we're saying, what 289 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: we're not if it's I think certain aspects of history 290 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: should be preserved. An urn remains a monument, but I 291 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: think it's important to understand that we're preserving them out 292 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: of vanity, out of tradition, and those things are also important. 293 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 2: Rituals are preserved. We preserve some rituals solely because they 294 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: are a ritual. They are a direct connection to the 295 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: past that we must not be broken. It must remain unbroken. 296 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: I don't know why, because it's important. It's who we are, 297 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: it's our identity. But I do find it interesting how 298 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 2: many people say they gotta be outad it old documents, 299 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 2: which ones declarats re independence. Okay, have you read it 300 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 2: incursive in the original script? I have? You haven't. I 301 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 2: guarantee you haven't. Okay, if you have, what did you 302 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: notice it was odd about it? There's a letter used 303 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: there that we don't use. We haven't used in forever. 304 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: I think the Broadside Dictionary still use. Nobody else uses it. 305 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: You've never seen this letter written. There is a letter 306 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 2: very prominent in there. And not only is it very prominent, 307 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 2: it extends above the other lower case letters and below 308 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: the lower case letters. It screams out, look at me, 309 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: look at me. I'm the dork that goes and looks 310 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 2: at this document. That's not a humble brag. That is 311 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: to tell you that nobody else does. It's weird. Nobody does. 312 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: The words are so established in print so many times 313 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: and unquestioned for two hundred and fifty years. Nobody is 314 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 2: going Nobody is saying, well, you're gonna have life and liberty, 315 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: but that's all we're giving you. No, we get to 316 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 2: have happiness too, which was supposed to be prosperity. By 317 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 2: the way, in the original it was incursive. We won't 318 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 2: happiness too. No, Doctor Rice of Independence doesn't grant you 319 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: how happiness, just life and liberty it does, and swear 320 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: it does. Show me. Let me go get my cursive copy. 321 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 2: Well says right here, just life and liberty. It's printed 322 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: out full stop. There's no happiness. Oh man, y'all change 323 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: the words on us. I got an original incursive somewheres 324 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: and it said happiness. I'm sure it said it. Nope, 325 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: this is a document. It's not even questioned. No one 326 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 2: is questioning those documents that were written in cursive. But 327 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: you have only ever read in print. I guarantee you 328 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: you've only ever read them in print. And I'll give 329 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: you an example. There is something that our history nerds 330 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 2: in the crowd will know. It is called a long 331 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: S so little quirk. And this is why I told you, Ramona. 332 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 2: It's no point in me telling the story. It's very boring, 333 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 2: but I'm gonna tell you because you pissed me off. 334 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: So Originally incursive, the letter S would only ever appear 335 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 2: at the end of a word. The letter S in 336 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 2: the middle or at the beginning of a word lower 337 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: case would never appear as an S. It was it 338 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 2: would appear as an F. Follow me on the F 339 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 2: an F that had a big curly queue at the top, 340 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: like a like a cane. Right, you were holding a cane, 341 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 2: and so it goes straight up and it would arc 342 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 2: over to the right, and it would come all the 343 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: way down and it would arc to the left and 344 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: curl back up, kind of look like a seahorse. Okay, 345 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 2: so that F is not actually an F. And the 346 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 2: difference is when you crossed that F in the middle, 347 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: you would only cross it to the to the main 348 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 2: of the F. You wouldn't go across. And that was 349 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: known in the printing industry as a long S. It 350 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 2: would stand out because it was taller than the other 351 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: letters and went lower than the other letters, and that 352 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: distinguished it because an S could only be used at 353 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 2: the end of a word. If you read the word 354 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: congress in the original Constitution, you will notice that it 355 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 2: looks like con gr f s. It looks like congress. 356 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: If you don't know that, because it is so striking 357 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 2: the first time you read it, then you didn't read 358 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 2: the Constitution incursive. And I'm not trying to be the 359 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: nerd on the front row. I'm simply pointing out there 360 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 2: are many many people who haven't learned cursive, who have 361 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: performed just fine. Example, calligraphy died off. I don't do calligraphy. 362 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: I think it's awesome, it'd be a thing I think 363 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 2: we should we should preserve. Okay, there are dead languages, 364 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: and it's unfortunate that there are dead languages for which 365 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: we've lost the ability to read the great texts because 366 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: the language itself, not the manner of writing it, not 367 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: the manner of convey that's different. Nobody is suggesting we're 368 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: losing English. I'm not saying we shouldn't learn cursive. I'm 369 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 2: just saying, don't repeat something you heard other people say 370 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: because some Fox News host had a segment on it 371 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: and you thought, yeah, we got bail to read the declaration. 372 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: You're reading the Declaration in the same way that every 373 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: other American reads it, and that is printed out or 374 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: on a screen. There are so many of those quirks, 375 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: so many things that we never read. I've read I 376 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 2: don't know how much by Adam Smith, but never in 377 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: his handwriting. You go to Monticello and you see Jefferson's writing. 378 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: Jefferson had the first Xerox machine. It was a contraption 379 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: where when you wrote, there was a rod that came 380 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: up and went over and went down, and it mirrored 381 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: the page there. So whatever he wrote, he had a 382 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 2: duplicate copy of brilliant. And so you sit there and 383 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 2: you read it to see how close is that to 384 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: the original, and you go, I can't tell, because I 385 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: can't read what he's writing. I don't think I'm smarter 386 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: than the average bear, but I don't think i'm dumber. 387 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 2: You go, try to read the journals of Thomas Jefferson. 388 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: You can't. You can't. It's like a doctor's writing. Now 389 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 2: they could because in the time they wrote in this style, 390 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: we've lost forms of cursive over two and a half centuries. 391 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: I don't know why I allowed myself to be pushed 392 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: into a corner as some person standing on the principle 393 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: of nobody reads cursive. I think because I can't stand 394 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 2: for arguments to be repeated without any thought given to 395 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 2: it because someone else said it and nobody ever stops 396 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 2: to give it thought. But I am for teaching cursive, 397 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: and my kids do write and read cursive. I just 398 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: think you can survive just fine without it going forward. 399 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 2: And I'll leave that at that. I could have just 400 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 2: said that, and then you aggravated me during the break, 401 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 2: and then I got out there and I got a 402 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 2: bunch of old ladies going. I'm not sure imming to 403 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 2: listen to Michael Berry anymore. I thought he was on 404 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 2: our team. You know, he wasn't for Trump at the beginning. 405 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: I remember, he wasn't for Trump. He's come around, but 406 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: you know, now he's over there. Shoot, he's he don't 407 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: even want cursive no more. I don't know what he thinks. 408 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 2: He wasn't for Trump. Remember he talked about it and 409 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 2: he was, and now he's over there. We don't need cursive. 410 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: You've got some upside down f I don't give a 411 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 2: damn I learned curs If you ought it's Michael Berry's 412 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 2: formal aware. 413 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 1: We have all your formalware needs, from morning suits to 414 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: coordinating accessories. 415 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 6: Out of time. 416 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: The best explanation I have heard, and it comes from 417 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: a law man friend of mine. Cursive is important zar 418 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: because it strengthens cognitive development, It enhances fine motor skills 419 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: for kids, and it boosts their overall literacy. I'm not 420 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: sure that's even true, but that's very impressive. That's an 421 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 2: actual reason. It just makes me crazy when people say 422 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: things without any consideration for what they say in never 423 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: having thought about it, and then you challenge it and 424 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: they pitch a fit. Got to be able to read 425 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 2: the declaration is the lamest answer ever. You don't care 426 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: about the declaration? Well if reading the Declaration of Independence 427 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: incursive is how you prove whether you care about the declaration. 428 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: You don't care about the declaration because you've not read 429 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: it incursive, and I'm willing to go on the It's 430 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: one of those things like cow tipping or any number 431 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 2: of other things that people will say they've done, and 432 00:26:54,520 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: when you really get down to it, well, yeah, maybe yes, 433 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 2: Like why you love water burger? It's right there. 434 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 4: Tell me something that you love about where you live? 435 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: What burger? 436 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 4: Okay, great, tell me about it right now? 437 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, just no, just tell me about it. 438 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 2: You're gonna love water burgern. Oh it's the best. What 439 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: makes it the best? Wherever you are, there's a water Burger? 440 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always right there. 441 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: Okay. 442 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 4: And then when you get there, what do you like 443 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 4: about it? 444 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,640 Speaker 2: What do you get? Whatever you want? 445 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 6: You could order whatever you want. 446 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: Then, right, But there are a lot of places like that. 447 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 4: So let's say there's a McDonald's, a Burger King a 448 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 4: sonic and a waterburger all lined up? 449 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 2: Which one do you go to? 450 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 8: Right? 451 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 2: Right? Why? Okay, here's another one. I can respect because 452 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,720 Speaker 2: this is an honest answer. I favor cursif out of 453 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 2: my own enjoyment of its conveyance of personality and uniqueness. 454 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: I also believe it has become a comical way to 455 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: communicate openly among younger code workers, like a secret code. 456 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 2: One of Cursiff's flaws is also its benefit. I've observed 457 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 2: the preferred usage of cursif amongst individuals who have poor spelling. 458 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: They can scribble the first two and last two letters 459 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 2: and everything in between is their unique penmanship. If you 460 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: cannot admit you have done that in your life, you 461 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: know what that's the equivalent of in the gud Dunn 462 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: Yeah baby. How many songs do we not know all 463 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 2: the words? 464 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 5: There's a little girl in our neighborhood noon tun to 465 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 5: Johnson and good good good yeah, uh head go and 466 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 5: see done and none and none dude brother was making 467 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 5: chicken in the frying pot, and her grandma was that 468 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 5: is what that is. 469 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 2: Cursive allows you that, doctor Wright. Yeah. I did hear 470 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: from a lot of mommies that their kids have dysgraphia 471 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: and dyslexia, and apparently cursive helps with that, which is cool. 472 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: I like that. I don't deny it. I don't know 473 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 2: one way or another. The most surprising, I guess not 474 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: surprising because we've had this conversation before. Chad Knakanishi is 475 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 2: an enigma. He's a fascinating cat because his brain processor 476 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: because he's half Japanese, is really really good. He's really 477 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: really smart, but his spelling is really really bad. And 478 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: it's a running joke. And he's the first to tell you. 479 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 2: He said, I can't read cursive. So the problem I've 480 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: come across is that I love to pull and collect 481 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 2: my family history. However, when I pull old family histories 482 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: like my great grandparents marriage license below which he's attached, 483 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 2: I have to ask one of my sisters to quote 484 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 2: unquote translate some of the cursive. Not saying kids should 485 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 2: or shouldn't learn cursive, but it is one of my 486 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: personal struggles. Even the Census is incursive. By the way, 487 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: several of you mentioned the Census and you wouldn't be 488 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 2: able to read the census. Credit to you. I thought 489 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: that was an interesting one. This is the nineteen forty 490 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 2: Census of my great grandparents and their kids. It's especially 491 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 2: confusing to me because I knew them all by their 492 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: generic American names Janet, Mildred, Thomas, Norman, Pauline, Robert, and Earl, 493 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: but their legal Japanese names are listed in the census, 494 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,840 Speaker 2: which I've had to learn thanks to help translating. I 495 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: love these conversations. I think it's fascinating, just fascinating, how 496 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: we retain records, how we go back and access those records, 497 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: because they're not just records. They're not just writing on 498 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: a paper. They're who we are. They are our DNA. 499 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: That's not just a name on a paper. That is 500 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,719 Speaker 2: our DNA. You know, Sandy Peterson's making a sour dough bread. 501 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: She might have already made it, and she said that 502 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 2: the that the whatever you call it, the cure, the whatever, 503 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 2: the seedling of it. You know, when you get the 504 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 2: sar dough brand and you bring it home, it's whatever, 505 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 2: that little clump of it that it is. It's two 506 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years old. I don't know where she 507 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 2: found it. I mean, you think about you know, you 508 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 2: propagate a flower with you propagate a tree. You think 509 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 2: about you know how an animal passes one to the next, 510 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 2: to the next to the next, and in three hundred 511 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: years this is the lineage. That's some deep stuff, man, 512 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 2: that's really really deep stuff. And that these are the 513 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: documents you access to get there. I find that to 514 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 2: be very cool. All right, you folks have to be 515 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 2: fast so I can get all of you on. So 516 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 2: what is the thing they don't teach in school that 517 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: they should? I think this is handwriting because it's all women. See, 518 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: you can tell topics by sex. Men are like handwriting 519 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 2: and dumb ass, just blurn cursive. Women are going but 520 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: dyslexia and dysgraphia and the census because ninety eight point 521 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 2: six percent of people who do UH ancestry studies are women. Teresa, 522 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 2: go ahead, Hi, Michael, Okay, what should they teach that 523 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: they're not teaching? Go ahead, sweetheart. 524 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 8: Well, I still believe in teaching writing by script because 525 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 8: it strengthens the eye hand brain connection, and it creates 526 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 8: neural pathways for your brain. 527 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: So you're second or third or tenth person to say that, 528 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: how do you know that. 529 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 8: I read it about twenty years ago? 530 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: Did you? 531 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 8: I have no I read it in a printed book. 532 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 2: Are you are you a former teacher? Pardon me, are 533 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: you a former teacher? 534 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 8: No, I'm a nurse. 535 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 7: Nurse okay, but I at homeschool with my kids a 536 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 7: couple of times, like different My different children had different 537 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 7: problems in school, and just to sort of assist them, 538 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 7: I at homeschooled them. And where we lived in Canada, 539 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 7: they had a great provincial system where they could give 540 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 7: you all the materials for the curriculum that year, and 541 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 7: so basically it was all pre set, pre done. You know, 542 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 7: you took the pages at the beginning of the week 543 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 7: out of the big binder, put them in the smaller binders, 544 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 7: and that's all they have to do for that day. 545 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: I miss binders. I still use binders. I have binders 546 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 2: all around me. I have tabs, they're all marked off, 547 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 2: and people will say to me, you can put all 548 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 2: that on the computer. I know, I know. I love binders. 549 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: I love flipping through binders. My show sponsors for each 550 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 2: letter of the alphabet I have. You know, A is 551 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: Allied siding in you know, windows and Allied Custom roof 552 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: and all Star Construction and Allied outdoors, and then you know, 553 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: you go to B and you go to C. And 554 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 2: you and I enjoy turning the pages like a I 555 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 2: don't know. It's a connection to the past, and it's tactile. 556 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 2: I can touch it, I can turn it. I'm looking 557 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: at my screen. I've received over three hundred emails on cursive, fascinating,