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Speaker 1: your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. Tuesday,
Speaker 1: let's go hanging with the Boys. Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly.
Speaker 1: We're natelst today. Oh we got Jesse in the big chair,
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Speaker 1: Plaza outside Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. It
Speaker 1: is eighty five degrees. It feels like ninety one. We
Speaker 1: have a high today of ninety eight. The load tonight
Speaker 1: seventy six. It's a beautiful Texas. Is it fall yet
Speaker 1: or is it still considered summer? Still summer? Still summer.
Speaker 1: We got practice outside today at eleven fifteen, um, but
Speaker 1: you could join us. Yeah, I had to. I was
Speaker 1: running out priorities here man, running down the hall to
Speaker 1: get here on time. I'm behind in life right now,
Speaker 1: so not only this show, but in life in general.
Speaker 1: So how are you guys, feeling good. I feel great.
Speaker 1: We got our our friend Nate is uh he mentioned
Speaker 1: last show He's he's big time just today to go
Speaker 1: hang out with be interviewed for a John Madden documentary,
Speaker 1: The Life Right is the in the NFL Network on
Speaker 1: for the Life Story What just called whatever football? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so our guy Nate will be making an appearance in
Speaker 1: that hopefully. Are you a Madden fan growing up playing
Speaker 1: all that? No? No, no, like I've watched I enjoy
Speaker 1: watching him in past summer. I'll do their thing. But yeah, um,
Speaker 1: the moment Michael Vick entered the Matten realm when I
Speaker 1: stopped playing video games really because it was just Chico.
Speaker 1: My friends would always like he would always my best
Speaker 1: friend always pick at Lanta and get Michael Vick and
Speaker 1: he would snapped the ball and this run fifty yards
Speaker 1: one way and everyone's chasing him and then he'll just
Speaker 1: he was like Michael Vick was to Madden what Bo
Speaker 1: Jackson was to Tech my bawl. Right, it was like
Speaker 1: just not fair. Yeah, not fair at all. You're a
Speaker 1: video game guy. Were you a maddened guy? Uh? In
Speaker 1: the very beginning and then now I don't really I
Speaker 1: kind of got out of sports games for some reason.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just got enough football in your life.
Speaker 1: It's really weird. Like when I started working here, Like
Speaker 1: I am not a huge football fan. I love the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I love my job, I love what I do, and
Speaker 1: I love game days. But outside of that, like I
Speaker 1: can take or to leave football, like when I have offtime,
Speaker 1: like if if last thing I want to do is
Speaker 1: go watch more football, like go watch Monday night, but
Speaker 1: now I'll go do it if like everybody's going to
Speaker 1: do it and it's a social event, but like just
Speaker 1: hardcore sit down and watch games and analyze them, like
Speaker 1: like I do that sixty six days a week when
Speaker 1: I got to college. That's I kind of was like
Speaker 1: on that and I never understood. I'm like, we just
Speaker 1: finished practicing. You guys want to come in here and
Speaker 1: play NT double A. Yeah, It's just I'm just like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. I'm the same as I love video games,
Speaker 1: but I've gotten out of the sports even Like I
Speaker 1: don't even like NBA two K or FIFA or any
Speaker 1: of that. Like I'm more into other things. It kind
Speaker 1: of amazes me, though, that players get into their ratings
Speaker 1: was that a thing when you were egos? I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, that's a total ego thing. Ego. That's just
Speaker 1: like salaries. It's like, okay, wait, I'm better than him.
Speaker 1: He's making how much more than me? Now, next contract,
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, Like you'll see the contract. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just want to make one hundred dollars more than him. Like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be some crazy amount. I just
Speaker 1: have to say that my contract is better or bigger
Speaker 1: than it's. Oh, the Eagles, the Eagles, and you guys
Speaker 1: know the Eagles in these locker rooms are are out
Speaker 1: of this. We've said it on this show before and
Speaker 1: we'll bring it up again. Nate sent us some pictures
Speaker 1: if y'all have it. Look, that's awesome. Um, we've said
Speaker 1: it on the show before. But but professional athletes are
Speaker 1: some of the most delicate people in the world when
Speaker 1: it comes to getting feelings hurt. And and you know
Speaker 1: why is that, Jesse, Because we've been catered to our
Speaker 1: entire lives. Yeah, we've we've been told, Yes, we've been had,
Speaker 1: We've had the red carpet rolled out. Um, we've had
Speaker 1: rules bent, anything and everything that is supposed to go
Speaker 1: on our favor has gone in our favor because of
Speaker 1: our ability to play a game. Play a game. That's it.
Speaker 1: That is it. I mean there were times in high
Speaker 1: school I would sleep every day in Spanish class unless
Speaker 1: I lost the football basketball game. I lose. Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: wake up. I win z's all day. I can sleep,
Speaker 1: I can strule, snore, never had an issue. Did you
Speaker 1: make an A B B? Yeah, you can't make it
Speaker 1: two two two obvious? Too obvious? Can you speak Spanish? No?
Speaker 1: It's like that Jimmy Johnson story when the fullback fell
Speaker 1: asleep in the meeting and they cut him, and they
Speaker 1: asked them in the press conference, what happens if Troykeman
Speaker 1: fell asleep in the meeting? He goes, well, we get
Speaker 1: him a pillow. All right, let's talk some current events.
Speaker 1: Little news came out, used to fall asleep in meeting?
Speaker 1: What you get a pillow? What? DEAs? Oh yeah, are
Speaker 1: you comfortable a blanket? Pill you feed up here? Das
Speaker 1: enjoy these z's, you know, can't if you know the playbook.
Speaker 1: On Sunday, we're gonna to throw it up to you.
Speaker 1: Just hit that nine route. Yeah, let go get it.
Speaker 1: Still get it? So little news came out yesterday. Yes,
Speaker 1: little little, little little a little scary. I don't know, scary,
Speaker 1: but a little it's convenient. Yes, that's a great word
Speaker 1: and a little worrisome at this point. And I guess
Speaker 1: this point in the season because little COVID outbreak has
Speaker 1: has hit the team or I didn't really read did
Speaker 1: anyone test positive or these just day in protocol? How
Speaker 1: today I think they all tested positive. They're all vaccinated
Speaker 1: from my understanding, but um, they all tested positive, which
Speaker 1: is why they're in it now. And it was well
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn and Carlos Watkins at the game, and then
Speaker 1: yesterday it was ceedee lamb Israel move uuamaquam sorry yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: and then um Nates not even here. Um, we got
Speaker 1: your back, Nate trying to blank on the last guy.
Speaker 1: But there's there's five totals. Totals okay, and so they are.
Speaker 1: But you know, I think that the worry for me
Speaker 1: at least is that we've already you know, talked about
Speaker 1: how this training camp there's been a lot of rest days.
Speaker 1: They haven't had to work dak press atta minum got
Speaker 1: in the field, that sort of thing. And now you're
Speaker 1: throwing this into the mix where And I don't honestly know.
Speaker 1: It sounded like from his press conference yesterday that McCarthy
Speaker 1: said they were having to do some things virtually meetings,
Speaker 1: and so you know, this is just one more inconvenience
Speaker 1: that they've got to deal with as they try to
Speaker 1: prepare for this season. Malik Hooker was the other guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, Malik Hooker. So yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: the big thing for me out of it is it
Speaker 1: looked like we were finally getting back to somewhat normal
Speaker 1: scene around the facility on game days. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: there were still a lot of protocols and a lot
Speaker 1: of safety measures on the field and in the stadiums
Speaker 1: and you know, around here, and it felt like you
Speaker 1: were getting closer to being back to normal. And then
Speaker 1: you know, this season there would probably be safety precautions,
Speaker 1: but then maybe next season, Hey, we're back to somewhat
Speaker 1: of a normal society. You know. And to me, this
Speaker 1: is not just about football, it's kind of society in general.
Speaker 1: You know, how do we get back to normal? How
Speaker 1: do we how at what point do does this just
Speaker 1: become part of everyday life where it's like the flu
Speaker 1: and it's just something that we live with or you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going away. You know, there's all
Speaker 1: this stuff up in the air, but you know now
Speaker 1: and we've kind of stayed away from it. We were
Speaker 1: one of the teams that didn't have any positive cases
Speaker 1: during training camp or any of that stuff. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, oh wow, on game
Speaker 1: day it hits, and now it's three more what three
Speaker 1: more guys after that? So then it's like, okay, does
Speaker 1: this make us as a league? Is this going to
Speaker 1: pause and even maybe go backwards a little bit as
Speaker 1: far as precautions. But I think the big thing, the
Speaker 1: big concern is, you're, what two weeks week and a
Speaker 1: half now from opening well, two weeks I guess from
Speaker 1: two weeks from in two days right, two weeks from Thursday?
Speaker 1: How does this Because this still affects people in different ways.
Speaker 1: Some people don't have many symptoms, some people that it's
Speaker 1: lingering for a while. You've got now, you've got some
Speaker 1: key role players that are gonna play on that opening
Speaker 1: night that are now in this protocol. You know, how
Speaker 1: worried are you? Jesse? You know overall that this is
Speaker 1: going to affect Opening night. From a players standpoint, everyone
Speaker 1: should be worried. I think coaching staff, players, equipment staff.
Speaker 1: Because one positive from a trainer, right, Jim Mayer, test positive?
Speaker 1: What your marra interacts with just about every single player, right,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks about Bucky Brooks. But but Bucky right, test positive?
Speaker 1: And how many players go back to get stuff? Bucky
Speaker 1: a coach, right, if he tests positive, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the entire room that the coaches might be put on
Speaker 1: this protocol and being it now the game was on
Speaker 1: a Thursday and not a Sunday, you kind of actually
Speaker 1: lose days to even have that. If you had a
Speaker 1: positive on Monday, you had to wait five days. At
Speaker 1: least you get to Saturday and you said, all right,
Speaker 1: we can we're clear. But on the Thursday you put
Speaker 1: yourself in more of a very peculiar situation. I think
Speaker 1: this biggest thing with with this COVID is that we
Speaker 1: get to a point where we're beginning to relax, right,
Speaker 1: and and COVID says, hello, I'm still here. Still, I'm
Speaker 1: still here, right, And so this is this is the
Speaker 1: new normal, right right, going back to what we used
Speaker 1: to think was this is the new normal. You asked
Speaker 1: the question, when will we get back when hospital stopped
Speaker 1: being full to capacity, when people stop dying at a
Speaker 1: rapid rate from from this, when you know this thing
Speaker 1: has taken a serious and significant turn. We thought by
Speaker 1: now that we would be back to a new normal.
Speaker 1: But and it's like, hey, you know what, Now we
Speaker 1: got COVID twenty two, you got variance coming out of this.
Speaker 1: And before it was just hey, it's just really attacking
Speaker 1: the old and the elderly. And it was it was
Speaker 1: just attacking the old, elder elderly and those who were
Speaker 1: you know, out of shape. But now you're seeing people
Speaker 1: our age thirty eight, forty forty five, younger, people who
Speaker 1: are in shape, you know, are being affected by this virus.
Speaker 1: And so it's very worrisome because the moment we relax,
Speaker 1: the moment of player relaxes, and as you know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to this event or I'm gonna have these
Speaker 1: folks over at my house on a Wednesday on a Thursday,
Speaker 1: and they come back and they do their weekly tests
Speaker 1: and it comes up positive because even if you're vaccinated,
Speaker 1: it's five days. Yeah, that's what the bills are going
Speaker 1: through this today. That their trainer was came up he
Speaker 1: was fully vaccinated, became up positive. Well, Cole Beasley and
Speaker 1: some other guys were around him. They has to negative.
Speaker 1: But you know Beasley isn't is vaccinated vaccinated, so he
Speaker 1: has to spend five days away from the team. So
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's so all this time that you're losing,
Speaker 1: whether that be meeting time, practice time, or in the
Speaker 1: event that you actually have to miss a game. This
Speaker 1: isn't the NBA. You don't get eighty whatever it is.
Speaker 1: This isn't the MLB. When you get one hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty of these bad boys, you get seventeen yea and
Speaker 1: they count so much every single week, and you kind
Speaker 1: of want to have all your soldiers fitting ready to
Speaker 1: go about time, you know, September ninth gets here and
Speaker 1: and you want to have that every single week. But
Speaker 1: you just this thing is so unpredictable. It is so unpredictable, man,
Speaker 1: and I just I don't know. It's it's something that
Speaker 1: we just can't relax on. We have to remember that
Speaker 1: this thing is real, it is here, and from a
Speaker 1: analyst and media perspective, we want all our guys to
Speaker 1: be out there and playing at full capacity. But it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not almost a matter of if, it's just when
Speaker 1: when When are we gonna get hit with something? Because
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be everybody's gonna get hit with this when
Speaker 1: and what and what group or what position? And how
Speaker 1: many and how many right? And how often? Like does
Speaker 1: it is it? You know? One time? Is this it?
Speaker 1: Or will you know? Will this happening again? Because I
Speaker 1: can guarantee you this, It's gonna take a cold day
Speaker 1: in hell for the NFL to shut back down again.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you we can sit here and say how
Speaker 1: much the NFL care and how much this and this
Speaker 1: and this. It will be a brisk, cold day in
Speaker 1: hell before the NFL goes back to no fans in
Speaker 1: the stands. There was so much money that was lost
Speaker 1: last year, and the NFL is all about the bottom dollar,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna do anything and everything. Hence why you
Speaker 1: see some of the rules that hey, if you guys
Speaker 1: aren't vaccinated and you miss games or you cause a forfeit,
Speaker 1: your team, your owner is on the hook for salaries,
Speaker 1: for revenue for all of that for both teams. Because
Speaker 1: the NFL saying, oh we are about our dollars. These
Speaker 1: owners are about their dollars. This bottom line is it,
Speaker 1: and nothing gets in Nothing gets in front of that,
Speaker 1: not health, not you, not your family. So they're not
Speaker 1: shutting this thing down. They're going to be fans in
Speaker 1: the stands this year at every single game. They ain't
Speaker 1: shutting that down. So Gary tweeted us. You know, he
Speaker 1: sees there's no way this team gets enough snaps in
Speaker 1: practice now to be ready. And you gotta think McCarthy's like,
Speaker 1: what I gotta do here, man, We're kind of getting
Speaker 1: my quarterbacks are do you what you think I mean?
Speaker 1: Are they going to be ready for this two weeks?
Speaker 1: You know what, Let's talk about that table. Let's let's
Speaker 1: go to first break. Let's talk about that, and then
Speaker 1: let's talk about the debate that I've been having with people.
Speaker 1: My opinion is people that don't no football. Jesse played football.
Speaker 1: You can tell me if my opinion means anything or not.
Speaker 1: But I have been having a debate with several different
Speaker 1: people that think we have to win a preseason game.
Speaker 1: Would it be nice to me? Yes? Like? Is it
Speaker 1: absolutely necessary? No? Like? And as an employee the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: I want to win every game. Sure, because that helps
Speaker 1: us out right. That helps us, that helps our partners,
Speaker 1: that helps our fans. But the debate is my look
Speaker 1: at it is like it's preseason. It does not matter.
Speaker 1: But there are people that are arguing with me that
Speaker 1: are like it does matter. So Jesse, as someone that
Speaker 1: played the game, when we come back, I want to
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Speaker 1: you first, are you gonna chew that gum the entire show? Probably?
Speaker 1: I don't ever chew gum god spots, Maybe it could be. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't even I didn't even realize I was doing.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so I'll stop. I'll stop That's
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Speaker 1: probably pop out of my mouth. He's gonna ask a
Speaker 1: question and stick on the stick on the microphone phone. Oh, Kurt,
Speaker 1: I'll ask you first, since Jesse, Jesse, I think has
Speaker 1: more a little more weight on this subject. But do
Speaker 1: you think preseason matters? Well? Yeah, it matters, Um for
Speaker 1: many reasons. Um, do you think wins and loss? I'm sorry, Yeah,
Speaker 1: wins and loss. That's a tough one. I like to say. Yes. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that, like again she Houston, our starters play
Speaker 1: that whole game, we win, you know, our our depth
Speaker 1: comes in the seton guys in the second half fighting
Speaker 1: for roster spots and we lose, So that that definitely
Speaker 1: makes a difference. Um, But I don't know. I hate
Speaker 1: to go winless in the preseason. I think for the
Speaker 1: culture you're trying to build, you want to be winning culture.
Speaker 1: That all goes into it. I guess the argument is
Speaker 1: if you're starting unit is playing well and they're you know,
Speaker 1: making progress, and they're winning the first half, I guess,
Speaker 1: and then then you're good. But Kurt, I wants matter?
Speaker 1: Do they you want to win? But matter? But Do
Speaker 1: they matter? Um, all right, Jesse, never mind, Kurt's going him.
Speaker 1: They having their place. I think that you know. Do
Speaker 1: they matter? Yes? Okay, thank you, thank you, Jesse. Yes
Speaker 1: they matter. Yes. When they they don't, when they stop
Speaker 1: keeping score, then they won't matter. Winning is a habit
Speaker 1: built okay, And if you accept losing and losing it
Speaker 1: is okay. Now, you might not start throwing things after
Speaker 1: a preseason game loss, but it feels better when you win.
Speaker 1: You're able to cheach better when you win, You're able
Speaker 1: to see more of the positives when you win. Winning
Speaker 1: is a form built habit, and when you don't take
Speaker 1: winning serious at any level practice, preseason, game, scrimmages, then
Speaker 1: you're building a habit of losing. Losing mentality, losing thought process,
Speaker 1: all of that. These guys practice not anymore, but they
Speaker 1: work way too harder every single week in practice to
Speaker 1: not go out there and do what they're supposed to do. Now, yes,
Speaker 1: you have to break it up and say, well, if
Speaker 1: our starts would have played the entire time, we probably
Speaker 1: would have won. But you like seeing at the end
Speaker 1: of the game your team with more points than the
Speaker 1: other team. It's it's it's a feeling that it's I
Speaker 1: can't explain it, and and I don't want to be
Speaker 1: the guy like unless you're out there doing it. Guys
Speaker 1: want to win all the time. That's just a competitive
Speaker 1: nature of what it takes to get to a level
Speaker 1: like these guys are at right now, m at this level.
Speaker 1: So to me, winning is always important, it's all. It
Speaker 1: always matters because when you're not winning, that means you're losing.
Speaker 1: Anytime you're losing and you and you're comfortable with losing,
Speaker 1: then that means you're building a habit in your mind
Speaker 1: and your your work ethic of losing is okay? Is it?
Speaker 1: Does it make a difference, Like the starters, they say, well,
Speaker 1: we want our series even though we didn't win the game,
Speaker 1: is there something to pull from that? Ters it's still
Speaker 1: like we lost, yes and no, right, because if CD's
Speaker 1: gonna say, man, if we were out there for the
Speaker 1: whole time, we probably dog walk these folks, right. But again,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you still want to
Speaker 1: walk away from this thing with the w It's just
Speaker 1: it's just something about winning, Like I want to win
Speaker 1: when I'm at the green, I'm at the red light.
Speaker 1: I want to be the first one to take off
Speaker 1: on the light teams green like I want to win
Speaker 1: that like I want to win. You know, when um,
Speaker 1: when you see it, there's a crowded place that you're
Speaker 1: about to walk into and someone pull up like alongside
Speaker 1: of you, I want to beat them to the door.
Speaker 1: I don't. I want to I don't want to wait
Speaker 1: behind them. So for me, I'm always trying to win
Speaker 1: at everything that I do. I don't play around like
Speaker 1: you know, kids will be in the gym at school
Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, coach, let's play me one on one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you, I don't want to lose. Ever,
Speaker 1: I don't like losing. And see I'm the same way.
Speaker 1: But I think whenever it comes to preseason, because it's
Speaker 1: not a complete reflection of the actual whole body of
Speaker 1: the team. It's you know, you're you're you're getting second third,
Speaker 1: four stream guys in there, and you're trying to figure
Speaker 1: out where everybody fits and you're messing around with stuff.
Speaker 1: To me, it's not ye, I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: it's weird. But maybe I need to. But but what
Speaker 1: Jesse says makes total sense. Like you you're it's the
Speaker 1: same way. Like I'm I'm like Jesse, like my kid,
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a hell of a time growing up
Speaker 1: because I ain't letting him win like I one year
Speaker 1: old to sixteen years old. You got to earn it,
Speaker 1: like and when you get old enough to beat me
Speaker 1: and you start, good for you. But until then, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be hell for you to you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: letting you win like because I hate to lose. And
Speaker 1: I guess I should have a different mindset when it
Speaker 1: comes to preseason, because I get it the players are
Speaker 1: probably the same way, Like they don't want to lose
Speaker 1: that anything, and they got to this level because they
Speaker 1: haven't lost it anything, right, So maybe I'll change my
Speaker 1: attitude about preseason. Thank you Jesse, friend like me anytime
Speaker 1: I liked him some time. All Right, what the hell
Speaker 1: are we doing a backup quarterback? Because the guy we
Speaker 1: thought was going to be the guy, who the guy
Speaker 1: that we thought was going to be the guy behind
Speaker 1: him is playing better than the guy that we thought
Speaker 1: was going to be the guy. But then do we
Speaker 1: even know if he's one of those guys or the guy?
Speaker 1: And you go get another guy off the street and
Speaker 1: then what about the the fourth guy? The fourth guy?
Speaker 1: Is he gone? Well, yeah, so we're talking about Garrett, Gilbert,
Speaker 1: been de Nucci, Cooper Rush not in that particular order.
Speaker 1: So I think everyone thought Gilbert was going to be
Speaker 1: the guy, the backup, right, that was the assumption going in.
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush has actually been out playing him in preseason
Speaker 1: and practices apparently get to start this game, this upcoming game,
Speaker 1: and then they really some I think they really liked
Speaker 1: de Nucci. But who is they? I don't know who
Speaker 1: is that? I think because he's just draft pick. Why
Speaker 1: does he come back? It's Mike's guy right when you
Speaker 1: say they? And this goes back to a point that
Speaker 1: we we had a couple of weeks ago about having
Speaker 1: a sponsor in the meeting room. Like sometimes having a
Speaker 1: sponsor and who your sponsor is matters. I tell young
Speaker 1: guys all the time, man, be careful how you treat
Speaker 1: your coaches, because who guys who are positioned coaches this
Speaker 1: year are coordinators two years from now or head coaches
Speaker 1: four years from now, and you may be looking for
Speaker 1: a job. They're not gonna have a problem finding a
Speaker 1: job across the league or in college. If they've been
Speaker 1: around for a while. You, on the other hand, are
Speaker 1: probably going to be so for a guy like Ben
Speaker 1: d Nucci. If the head coach is your sponsor, that
Speaker 1: kind of works for your favorite. Now, whatever you can say,
Speaker 1: nepotism because his brother coached him and au basketball when
Speaker 1: he was six years old, whatever it is. At this
Speaker 1: point in time, you don't give a damn. I just
Speaker 1: want to make the squad in one way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: whether that's backup role or practice squad roll. I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to be around to collect some money and to
Speaker 1: be around because like, think about it, and this may
Speaker 1: seem super far fetched, Okay, but just think about it
Speaker 1: for a second. We rave and we were, We're in love.
Speaker 1: We're infatuated with our starting quarterback, Dak Prescott. Dak was
Speaker 1: battling Jamil's Showers. Like, think about that for a second.
Speaker 1: And I say that to say this. Dak was battling
Speaker 1: Jamil Showers, who went to play safety. It took not
Speaker 1: one but two injuries to happen for him to be
Speaker 1: catapulted to the starting spot. One hundred million, gazillion dollars later,
Speaker 1: He's the next best thing in Cowboy Country to slice bread. Yep.
Speaker 1: So a guy like Ben de Nucci's saying, you know what,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you may say about me. Chance,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is what I'm saying is you just
Speaker 1: want to find a way to stay on right. You
Speaker 1: just want to find a way to be here. Now,
Speaker 1: do I think Garret Gilbert in Denucci or or Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush will ever be the level of Dak Prescott. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying from
Speaker 1: a player's perspective, I just gotta hang around because hanging
Speaker 1: around I've witnessed lead to millions and hundreds of millions,
Speaker 1: zillions of dollars for the other quarterback who has a
Speaker 1: little bit of injuries, and it only takes you never know.
Speaker 1: And if you remember that that year rookie, Dak's rookie year,
Speaker 1: he didn't practice that great. He was a terrible practice.
Speaker 1: Play when the lights came on, he showed up and
Speaker 1: he Yeah, even after he started, I think played in
Speaker 1: preseason games, he'd go back to practicing. It was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about this, and look what Liqueri is now.
Speaker 1: So to answer your original question, I'm gonna keep saying this.
Speaker 1: We're screwed. We're screwed. And and this isn't This isn't
Speaker 1: an on Will McClay or the personnel. There are thirty
Speaker 1: two NFL football teams in this league, and there are
Speaker 1: thirty There isn't thirty two solid starting quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 1: There are teams right now today who don't know who
Speaker 1: their starter is going to be, and even when they
Speaker 1: announced that starter, that starter still isn't one we're like,
Speaker 1: who excited about? So we're talking about a backup. There
Speaker 1: are literally NFL teams who don't know who their starting
Speaker 1: quarterback is going to be, and the guy that they're picking,
Speaker 1: they're still on offensive about will he actually be successful?
Speaker 1: How do we have to gain plan this thing for
Speaker 1: him to kind of not lose the game for us? So, like,
Speaker 1: this quarterback thing is a real challenge. It's only about
Speaker 1: a handful of really fifteen probably good ones, as you
Speaker 1: can say, all right, that's the guy, he's starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: We're confident with him, we can build around him, and
Speaker 1: then the other fifteen or toss ups. So we're so
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure out the backup quarterback position. And
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it might have been Nick,
Speaker 1: It might have been Jerry who were talking about. You know,
Speaker 1: when you you paid this large amount of money for
Speaker 1: your starting quarterback, right, and and so you don't have
Speaker 1: all these funds to just be going around and allocating
Speaker 1: all this money to another high paid You paid five
Speaker 1: million dollars to the backup last year and that didn't help, right,
Speaker 1: And that was a guy last year who had starting
Speaker 1: yea ten plus games multiple times in the season, who
Speaker 1: was a first round pick, who already had a ninety
Speaker 1: million dollar, hundred million dollar contract, and then you paid
Speaker 1: him on the high end for backup money, and it
Speaker 1: still didn't lead you to a situation where when you
Speaker 1: had to go to your backup it was enough to
Speaker 1: carry you to a place um of success. So we
Speaker 1: can toss this thing up in an about backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: If four is not on the field, we are royally
Speaker 1: non lubricated. Wow in there, it hurts, It hurts. What
Speaker 1: do you think hurt? Should they should? They like you
Speaker 1: just roll with what you got. Well, it's like sounds
Speaker 1: like they're going to now, Like Jesse said, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's just not much out there on the streets. It's
Speaker 1: better than it's better than know the it's better. What
Speaker 1: is it the saying to know the devil, Like it's
Speaker 1: better than know the devil that you do know that
Speaker 1: of the devil that you don't know. Like, at least
Speaker 1: we know these devils. Yeah, we know what we're gonna
Speaker 1: get with these guys, and so when it comes to
Speaker 1: game planning or whatever, we know that we have to
Speaker 1: either go super conservative or pray for our defense to
Speaker 1: be better. It's like the devils that we do know
Speaker 1: are better than the devils that we don't know, and
Speaker 1: we don't know what else is out there, and they
Speaker 1: don't know our system. At least these guys have been
Speaker 1: in this system, been around these players, been around these
Speaker 1: coaches for season or two, and it's just again, we're screwed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush and Gilbert if he wins it out, that's
Speaker 1: their advantage. They know the system. I mean, they're not
Speaker 1: going to be that much better than maybe, But I
Speaker 1: don't know. What did you think about the h I
Speaker 1: think it was Adam Schefter, you know, the other day,
Speaker 1: said something like, Dak's gonna do hang on, we gotta
Speaker 1: let's go to the let's go to break and then
Speaker 1: we'll come back that's not gonna be a short conversation.
Speaker 1: All right. All right, let's take our last break. When
Speaker 1: we come back, we'll talk about what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Kurt Dak, I guess dak and come back fun good times.
Speaker 1: Those words don't go together, Kurt in treason fun. All right,
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Speaker 1: I know there were a few you guys out there
Speaker 1: listening to the show that showed up last Friday morning.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming out and thanks for for hollering
Speaker 1: at me on the sidelines. Um, pretty pretty good turnout
Speaker 1: last Friday for it to be a morning and kids
Speaker 1: in school and people supposed to be at work, and
Speaker 1: I guess there were a few call in six to
Speaker 1: work out there in the crowd, so get out here,
Speaker 1: can fake off anymore, you know, I'm like, right, yea, yeah,
Speaker 1: so see you next week. Yeah, so come on out
Speaker 1: check it out, all right, last segment of the show, Kurt,
Speaker 1: you brought it up. I didn't even want to talk
Speaker 1: about it. This is my opinion and my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor. I don't have any inside information.
Speaker 1: This is just me. You're seeing reports now that Dak's
Speaker 1: going to be battling this injury all year, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: technic it was Adam Schefter he I think he tweeted
Speaker 1: that out. So halftime of the last came. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: here's here's my opinion. And I don't know much, but
Speaker 1: this is just my observation, and believe me, I'm wrong
Speaker 1: all the time. I feel like if this was something
Speaker 1: to be majorly concerned about, Dak would not be out
Speaker 1: there throwing during practice. He would not be out there
Speaker 1: throwing during warmups. Like I feel like if it was
Speaker 1: something that was not something to be concerned about year long,
Speaker 1: they would shut him down completely and he would be
Speaker 1: walking around and they wouldn't even let him have a
Speaker 1: football in his hand. That's my personal opinion. I'm not,
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm not a doctor. I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly all the details of this injury other than what
Speaker 1: we've read, and you know that it's a throwing injury.
Speaker 1: I just feel like, when you spend that much money
Speaker 1: on a quarterback, if there was any concern of how
Speaker 1: this thing is supposed to heal, he would not be
Speaker 1: out there throwing the ball. And I know it's different
Speaker 1: when you throw game speed. We talked about that in
Speaker 1: the velocity and everything, but I mean, he's not just
Speaker 1: he's not playing soft toss. He's throwing the ball whenever
Speaker 1: he's at practice and when he's in pregame warm ups
Speaker 1: and stuff. So he's putting some zip on it. Now,
Speaker 1: he's not getting behind it and putting you know, and
Speaker 1: slinging it. But that's just my opinion. I could be
Speaker 1: totally off base. That's that's how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: Are you guys worried about this injury going into the
Speaker 1: season and into the season, No, not particularly. I think
Speaker 1: when he first tweeted that out, everybody took it to me. No,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be playing or whatever. I think that
Speaker 1: just as a major league pitch does, he's gonna have
Speaker 1: to take care of his arm. He's gonna have maybe
Speaker 1: some different maintenance than he did in the past, and
Speaker 1: that that may just be a part of his routine now.
Speaker 1: But I don't think. Again, I'm not a doctor obviously either.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on behind closed doors over there,
Speaker 1: but I think it's he's gonna be there Sundays. He's
Speaker 1: just gonna have to his routine during the week to
Speaker 1: get ready. May change something. And that's really yeah, because
Speaker 1: if we're talking about having to change a routine, missing
Speaker 1: more time, less throwing, less participation, you're the body doesn't
Speaker 1: rejuvenate and get more healed as you get into the season.
Speaker 1: It does the exact opposite. It breaks down, right, muscles
Speaker 1: wear down. Recovery isn't because now in the offseason, you know,
Speaker 1: Dad took a month off from throwing. You don't get
Speaker 1: a month off in football season. Hits. You get three
Speaker 1: days four days tops to recover. So what used to
Speaker 1: be we can take two weeks off to fully let
Speaker 1: it recover, or the maintenance or whatever it is. You
Speaker 1: don't get that anymore because you got a game Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Monday,
Speaker 1: and every single week it's coming. And the more time
Speaker 1: that he begins to take off for whatever routine, maintenance
Speaker 1: or whatever that thing is, that's less time we got
Speaker 1: to prepare, less less time we got to be truly
Speaker 1: sharp and accurate in what we do. And I just
Speaker 1: think with this team and we talked about it on
Speaker 1: this show before, Nate is in fact, like when he
Speaker 1: says it about this defense when six weeks before they're
Speaker 1: kind of in the swing of things, I'm just not trying.
Speaker 1: And then you also have to add him to the
Speaker 1: fact that he's getting rest in practice now and he's
Speaker 1: not getting touched right when you play seventy snaps on Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we you know, that's a whole different. That's a whole different.
Speaker 1: That's a car crash kind of sword, you know. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to be sacked one hundred,
Speaker 1: one hundred times, but he'll get touched, he'll get thumped,
Speaker 1: he'll get thudded, he'll get sacked, he'll take off for running,
Speaker 1: get tackled, he'll fall. So then you add that onto
Speaker 1: the mix of two and already worn down kind of situation.
Speaker 1: That's the concern, Like, I don't I'm not concerned. And
Speaker 1: sometimes I even kind of, you know, give a side
Speaker 1: eye to the national media because it's a lot of hearsay,
Speaker 1: like we're here every day, we know what's going on.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm not saying that Adam doesn't have sources.
Speaker 1: But I can pick up the phone to call Britt
Speaker 1: Brown if I wanted to. I can walk down there,
Speaker 1: you know, and and and see it if I wanted to.
Speaker 1: So I kind of sometimes give a side out to
Speaker 1: the national media because they all have these big, vague
Speaker 1: stories and Adam will always be like he breaks at
Speaker 1: the halftime of the game, Right he breaks it, then
Speaker 1: that ain'tbody happenstance. That's that's that's that's kind of placement,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But to what Kurt was saying,
Speaker 1: that's the part that worries me. It's not the start
Speaker 1: of the season season, it's it's the it's the war
Speaker 1: of attrition. It's will he be able to maintain and
Speaker 1: be sustained throughout the entire year. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: concern for me is not will he start the season,
Speaker 1: will he play? The biggest concern for me right now
Speaker 1: is he hasn't been getting reps with Amari Zeke now
Speaker 1: CDs and protocol just the offensive line to offensive line,
Speaker 1: like like it's you know, like Nate keeps saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried until week six with the with the defense.
Speaker 1: You know, if we're O and six, then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: then I'll pay. Like I'm he's given them a six
Speaker 1: week grace period. I think this offense as good as
Speaker 1: they're gonna be, it's gonna take them a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks to get in sync. Now, and you're coming out
Speaker 1: of the gate against the world chance like that's then
Speaker 1: you go across the country and yes, could be rising
Speaker 1: Chargers team. Yeah. So it's like, you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: coming out of the gate and you're not playing you know, scrubs.
Speaker 1: You're you're coming out and it's like, okay, so do
Speaker 1: you start owing two? And I'm just I'm worried about
Speaker 1: him syncing up and getting reps because they really haven't
Speaker 1: as a unit had any reps if you think about it,
Speaker 1: in training camp, they really haven't. You know, Amari has
Speaker 1: been out, so as a whole unit, they've been in complete. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've been incomplete. Amar has been out. Like this offensive
Speaker 1: unit has not been together once, not one snap, not
Speaker 1: one snap, not one snap together and how long like
Speaker 1: since spring January? Well, I guess of the off season. Well, well, no,
Speaker 1: was they were running. It was probably like started last season.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, like this group with healthy Tyring and
Speaker 1: ELC and you know this group hasn't been together. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and else was out all last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's along. It's been a lot. So now again we're
Speaker 1: back to the same spot and its supposed to be
Speaker 1: just hey, slap it all together, yeah, Raymond James Stadium.
Speaker 1: But we know what to do. Well it all comes.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, like, you know, we I think
Speaker 1: everybody downplayed how important you know, and you and Nate
Speaker 1: both talked about it on the show, how important it
Speaker 1: was to get your hands on guys and all this
Speaker 1: virtual stuff. There's a huge difference in that and and
Speaker 1: being on the field together. There's also a huge difference
Speaker 1: in just being out there in shorts and watching guys
Speaker 1: run routes and actually being on the field and running routes.
Speaker 1: That's a totally different thing. And because and then the game,
Speaker 1: like you'll you'll start the game, you'll have some things working,
Speaker 1: but then it will be that one thing where I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I thought she was gonna go in
Speaker 1: and you actually went out, and it's interception. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's like, you may do It's
Speaker 1: like riding a bike, right, you get on, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how to pedal, but that's not saying that
Speaker 1: pedal might slip and I might hit my shin. And
Speaker 1: so that's stuff that when when it comes to the
Speaker 1: game is yeah they may get in. It may be like, oh,
Speaker 1: look see they lined up, they broke the huddle. Yeah
Speaker 1: we get that. But what happens when that one play
Speaker 1: where the cadence was this and the communication was, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant go out, and we really went
Speaker 1: We went in there, and now there's a free runner.
Speaker 1: They're shock Barrett released freely and for a sack right
Speaker 1: or oh man, shoot that audible. I forgot that. We
Speaker 1: changed it and so you were supposed to run a
Speaker 1: slant and not a stop route, and so I either
Speaker 1: I either threw it hoping you were going to be
Speaker 1: there and it got tipped and picked or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: So it's like they can do a they can do
Speaker 1: ninety nine things right, But when you don't have that
Speaker 1: that level of consistency, when when will that hat drop
Speaker 1: and that hundred thing be wrong? Would it be a strip,
Speaker 1: sack fumble? And a lot of times you know, that
Speaker 1: can be the outcome of the game. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that they won't be able to. This is just
Speaker 1: the thing like, oh, they don't they don't know how
Speaker 1: to play football, you know. No, it's they don't how
Speaker 1: to play football, and they'll they'll do a lot of
Speaker 1: it right, But it's the consistent part that we've seen
Speaker 1: with this team in the past offensively and defensively that
Speaker 1: comes sometimes comes back to bite us in the butt. Yep.
Speaker 1: And this sounds so stupid, you know, and I'm not
Speaker 1: even gonna say it never mind. Is this your is
Speaker 1: this your playing picture? It is credential. I wish I
Speaker 1: could show credentials, but we get in trouble by hr
Speaker 1: But Jesse has his credential to get in the building.
Speaker 1: And it's actually his head shot from when he played
Speaker 1: here that when you played here. Yeah, well I think black,
Speaker 1: don't crack. I drink a lot of water. I got
Speaker 1: my this is coconut water and pineapple. I can't show
Speaker 1: because you know sponsors, but drink a lot of water,
Speaker 1: man and no stress. Black crack baby good. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: used to not have any gray in my beard overthe
Speaker 1: last Well, that's just I got grays down that I
Speaker 1: didn't have in this picture. At my gray my gray
Speaker 1: level in my beard has gone through the freaking roof.
Speaker 1: I used to pull them out. She's that's what life
Speaker 1: does to get my age, you know, Kurt, not too
Speaker 1: far ahead of me. True. So all right, did we
Speaker 1: talk about anything good today? Covid My gum tasted, My
Speaker 1: gum tasted really good quarterback. We could talk about like
Speaker 1: Brill Cox, who's showing up on defense. I am excited.
Speaker 1: I am excited about the young inside talent. I don't
Speaker 1: want to say about the outside talent, the young, but
Speaker 1: like the young guys on the inside, the defensive line,
Speaker 1: the linebacker, we need to talk about that. Thursday, we
Speaker 1: got something. We got something like we got something broom
Speaker 1: with those guys. Yeah, of course Michael Parsons. And I
Speaker 1: was watching the breakdown from Brian Boldinger and he was
Speaker 1: just like, they line up Parsons everywhere, and I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I love it because
Speaker 1: that's gonna be well, he's gonna be one of those guys.
Speaker 1: You have to know where he is. And I love it,
Speaker 1: and you gotta account for him, you gotta. You gotta
Speaker 1: like every change is your It's like what we talked about.
Speaker 1: If you draft Kyle Pitts the defense right now, dictate
Speaker 1: offense is gonna be dictated by where he goes exactly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's talk about that on Thursday when we
Speaker 1: get Nate back in here. Just box Michael Park a
Speaker 1: lot of exciting young time. I will be I will
Speaker 1: go on record and say, will not be on time.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm no, I would definitely not going to record.
Speaker 1: There's no way this defense is anywhere near as bad
Speaker 1: as they were last year, No chance. Yeah, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: at least top twenty this year. I think they may
Speaker 1: that big of a jump. I'll go, I'll go less
Speaker 1: than that from historically bad. Yeah, really, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: see him top half maybe Yeah, okay, let's talk about
Speaker 1: that on Thursday. Guys. It's been fun. Kurt, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming. Jesse, thanks for bringing it. Chris, thanks
Speaker 1: for keeping us on the air. William, thanks for keeping
Speaker 1: the live streams up. We will be back Thursday. Are
Speaker 1: we the same time Thursday? Are we at nine thirty again? Thursday?
Speaker 1: I think so right, So yep, we are all right.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Chris. We will be back Thursday, nine thirty
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