Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ Buck
Speaker 1: with you, Buck? What is going on man.
Speaker 2: Man, Not too much, just trying to get it all done.
Speaker 2: DJ low past the draft, got a little writing to do.
Speaker 2: We got the pot. It's all good though. You know
Speaker 2: what time of the year it is.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've got one week till I've got a
Speaker 1: little over a week till I have to have my
Speaker 1: one fifty done. So that's you know, my final project there.
Speaker 1: So I've been working on that, getting stuff organ I
Speaker 1: still watching some pop up guys, some workout guys, which
Speaker 1: has been which has been a fun exercise, but it's exciting,
Speaker 1: you know, looking at the teams more now this time too,
Speaker 1: just kind of dialing in on teams, talking to people,
Speaker 1: and some things start to crystallize a little bit.
Speaker 3: Buck.
Speaker 1: As you get towards the end, you kind of think, like, man,
Speaker 1: this is just a big mushroom cloud, have no idea
Speaker 1: what's going to go on here? And then at the
Speaker 1: end start hearing okay, man, they're off this guy, they're
Speaker 1: on that guy. You know, stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is funny when we get to it, because I
Speaker 2: feel like we're going this big old journey, right we
Speaker 2: start where we think about players, then we kind of
Speaker 2: go around and we look at tape and we get
Speaker 2: this and Buddy started chiming in, and then you kind
Speaker 2: of get back to where you started at the end
Speaker 2: of the process. And we've talked about this a few
Speaker 2: different times. I feel like that also happens in front office.
Speaker 2: I think as you kind of sit down and you
Speaker 2: get quiet, you get away from like the group think,
Speaker 2: and you start like, who are the guys that we
Speaker 2: really like? Like, who are the guys that we go
Speaker 2: back with this check out notes? Who are the ones
Speaker 2: that we absolutely like that we we can fall in
Speaker 2: love with. I think that's when you do your best job.
Speaker 2: Those are the guys that you really wanted the team.
Speaker 2: You can't be swayed by. I would say, like some
Speaker 2: of the outside opinions that are kind of buzzing and
Speaker 2: circulating as we get closer to the draft.
Speaker 1: No doubt. Uh, that's one true. I've got a couple
Speaker 1: things I want to hit on. Today's going to get
Speaker 1: to some underrated players, some polarizing players. I've got three
Speaker 1: this guy, that guy, conversations I want to have with
Speaker 1: you on Day two, Like I think these are day
Speaker 1: twoquestions that are fun ones.
Speaker 3: I want to get to that first though. I want
Speaker 3: to hit this.
Speaker 1: It's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by
Speaker 1: WSABI Hot Cloud Storage Buck. I was thinking of the
Speaker 1: themes of this draft, like let's just we'll get into
Speaker 1: some individual stuff here, but I wanted to get the
Speaker 1: thirty thousand foot view. And so these are the three
Speaker 1: that I came up with. And I'll be curious to
Speaker 1: see if you think there's other themes that kind of
Speaker 1: summarize this draft or what kind of encapsulates this draft.
Speaker 1: So the three themes I had, and I've hitting on
Speaker 1: a couple of these throughout Starters not stars, right, like
Speaker 1: this is a team. I was talking to a GM
Speaker 1: the other day, a buddy of both of ours, and
Speaker 1: he was talking about, we feel like we can upgrade
Speaker 1: the bottom of our roster and fortify and strengthen the
Speaker 1: middle of our roster and maybe not our top guys,
Speaker 1: maybe these aren't going to be our key core stud guys,
Speaker 1: but we're going to get better in the back end
Speaker 1: and in the middle of our roster in this draft,
Speaker 1: so starters not stars, traits versus production. You got to
Speaker 1: figure out which side of the aisle you fall on
Speaker 1: that topic, especially think about these pass rushers. And lastly, Buck,
Speaker 1: I wrote down positional value versus quality of player, Like
Speaker 1: these are the three.
Speaker 3: Themes that I came up with for this draft.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
Speaker 2: I've heard people talk about the level of draft a
Speaker 2: few different ways, and he talked about like really good
Speaker 2: not great, Like you have a lot of really good players,
Speaker 2: only a handful of great players, and so you need
Speaker 2: to pick accordingly. So I believe you can get solid starters,
Speaker 2: maybe even high end starters, but in terms of the
Speaker 2: game change your difference maker transcendent talents not as many
Speaker 2: as we've seen in some drafts. When it comes down
Speaker 2: to positional value and player, I think evaluators have to
Speaker 2: be really, really careful to not get so caught up
Speaker 2: in positional value that you elevate a guy at a
Speaker 2: position that is important over top of someone who is
Speaker 2: a better player. And I think you just have to
Speaker 2: keep that and I think that happens all the time.
Speaker 2: And then the last thing is, so many of these
Speaker 2: guys have bounced around transfers, you're trying to follow the
Speaker 2: odyssey and those things. I think it's really important to
Speaker 2: understand what did they learn along the way.
Speaker 4: We've talked about that quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: We kind of like our quarterbacks that have a little
Speaker 2: scuff on them to have gone through some adversity and
Speaker 2: come on the other side. Well, with these other players,
Speaker 2: what have they learned all their journeys where they had
Speaker 2: to mounce around and find the right spot for them.
Speaker 2: I think all those things are important, But from a
Speaker 2: whatever thirty thousand point perspective, yeah, I mean you have
Speaker 2: to certainly understand, like where these guys are, what the
Speaker 2: class is, and make sure that you make decisions based
Speaker 2: on who this class really is, not what we want
Speaker 2: them to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, I also think I'll get your
Speaker 1: take on it, but this feels like a stick and
Speaker 1: pick draft. It doesn't feel like there's enough enticement there
Speaker 1: for a lot of movement, you know, at least not
Speaker 1: in the in the first round.
Speaker 4: I'm with you, I don't you know.
Speaker 2: It's funny because you know, on TV we get asked
Speaker 2: to do trades and all this all the time. You like,
Speaker 2: there has to be someone that you're trading for there
Speaker 2: has to be a player or really a player or
Speaker 2: need that you have that is a must have, got
Speaker 2: to get this player to fill it. I don't feel
Speaker 2: it strongly about that in this class. This is one
Speaker 2: where and we talked about this. I think last year's draft,
Speaker 2: the smart teams are looking ahead to not only twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, but twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven and saying, hey,
Speaker 2: I'll auction off some of these picks later in the
Speaker 2: draft to get more at a future date. I think
Speaker 2: more teams are going to get to the fourth round and.
Speaker 4: Be like, yeah, we're good. We're good for today, we're good.
Speaker 2: We'll move on to next weekend because there is this
Speaker 2: thing where it falls off. You just want to make
Speaker 2: sure that you're bringing players that literally give you a
Speaker 2: chance to upgrade your roster, not guys that just fill
Speaker 2: holes in the fill up spots on the roster.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's a really good thought there. I also along
Speaker 1: those lines, was talking to someone the other day and
Speaker 1: he was talking about his team and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the key strengths for our team is that
Speaker 1: we know and this is something you've brought up in
Speaker 1: the past but he said, we know who our developmental
Speaker 1: coaches are. Because I was saying I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm doing all these pop up guys, and
Speaker 1: you know these guys are potentially like seventh round PFA types,
Speaker 1: you know, and people have different strategies on that. Do
Speaker 1: you try and get a special teams player that can
Speaker 1: come in help you right away? Do you get a
Speaker 1: trade syat you know, small school kid. We just you know,
Speaker 1: want raw develop and you'll take your time with them.
Speaker 1: Do you take the quarterback flyers as you know teams
Speaker 1: been wont to do. And he said, you know, and
Speaker 1: this team's been successful, and he said one of the
Speaker 1: keys our success is we know our developmental coaches. We
Speaker 1: know the guys that we can bring in at certain
Speaker 1: positions that our coaches can develop. So and he can
Speaker 1: of you know, those are those are the positions we're
Speaker 1: going to look at late in the draft and we're
Speaker 1: just going to get the raw tools.
Speaker 2: He guys, Well, I mean one of the things we've
Speaker 2: talked about the job as a gender manager is not
Speaker 2: only to you know, scout players and to scout the scouts,
Speaker 2: but it's also to scout the coaches the draft and
Speaker 2: developed strategy never works if you do the developmental part
Speaker 2: of and so when you say, hey, this is how
Speaker 2: we're going to build our team, it's going to be
Speaker 2: a homegrown team organization.
Speaker 4: This is what we're going to do.
Speaker 2: Well, the people that touch the players need to be
Speaker 2: really good at developing the players.
Speaker 4: Otherwise you're spending your wheels.
Speaker 2: And that requires everyone to not only listen to what
Speaker 2: the coaches say in meetings when they're reading their own reports,
Speaker 2: but it's observing what they've done with the players they've
Speaker 2: been given. Can they turn a C player into a
Speaker 2: B player through the diligent work that they do on
Speaker 2: the practice field? Can they help a practice squad player
Speaker 2: get ready to play quickly at the end of the
Speaker 2: year when we see this happen all the time, that
Speaker 2: the bottom of the roster players are playing vital roles
Speaker 2: on playoff runs just because of the attrition of the season.
Speaker 2: It is really important that you know your coaches and
Speaker 2: that your coaches are great teachers, great developers if you're
Speaker 2: going to subscribe to that theory.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, I agree with you, buddy when he talks
Speaker 4: about that the coaches.
Speaker 3: Well, i'll tell you later. It's also your all right.
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Speaker 1: withsabby dot com. Buck I touched on it at the
Speaker 1: top Polarizing Players. I tweeted this out the other day,
Speaker 1: and I thought we could kind of go through each
Speaker 1: of these players individually, because not only the discussion on them,
Speaker 1: but there's other players and other discussions that take place,
Speaker 1: and for those that you know, want to peek behind
Speaker 1: the curtain. At this point time, majority of the teams,
Speaker 1: vast majority, are in their final meetings. They're getting everything
Speaker 1: set up. This is the you know, kind of the
Speaker 1: week that they're polishing it up and getting the board
Speaker 1: set in place. And you have coaches who've had a
Speaker 1: chance to go work these guys out, spend time with them,
Speaker 1: get to know the person as well as the player.
Speaker 1: And you've got the scouts in there and they're all
Speaker 1: kind of scrimmaging this stuff out and so and talking
Speaker 1: to a bunch of teams. These are the names that
Speaker 1: I that I came up with were inside these individual buildings,
Speaker 1: not saying just this team for that team, I'm saying
Speaker 1: inside the building, They've got wide range of grades. It's
Speaker 1: Ted McMillan, the receiver from Arizona. It's donovanz roku edge
Speaker 1: rusher from Boston College. It's Revel the corner from ECU,
Speaker 1: Shordan Birch the edge rusher, big jumbo EDG Dresher from Oregon.
Speaker 1: And it's Jalen Milroe, quarterback from Alabama.
Speaker 4: M interesting list.
Speaker 1: So can you see I'm gonna I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: the player and I can tell you you know what
Speaker 1: the discussion is. But I'm curious with your what you
Speaker 1: think it would be. What do you think the issue
Speaker 1: would be. Let's start with McMillan. Why would people love
Speaker 1: him and some people not love him?
Speaker 2: I think they would love the size, the athleticism, the
Speaker 2: acrobatic plays, the flashes that you see on tape, that
Speaker 2: Legia believed that he could be a dominant playmaker at
Speaker 2: the next level. Why they would hate him or have
Speaker 2: questions about him? The urgency and the consistent dominance isn't there?
Speaker 2: You would like you kind of need to get him going.
Speaker 2: You want to get the poker to him and be like, man,
Speaker 2: you could be such a dominant player, if you would
Speaker 2: bring the energy and effort every play. He doesn't do that.
Speaker 2: He's more of what we call a cruiser. He's been
Speaker 2: good enough. He's been better than everybody athletically, so he
Speaker 2: just does enough to dominate without knowing how hard he
Speaker 2: has to work to really be a dominant player at
Speaker 2: the next level. Maybe it can be taught, or maybe
Speaker 2: he is what he is and he's going to continue
Speaker 2: to be that as a pro. That would be the
Speaker 2: scary part. If I'm in the room, you nailed it.
Speaker 1: The term that was used with one of the teams
Speaker 1: I talked to was cruise control. Like I just worry
Speaker 1: about the guy who's always on cruise control, Like I
Speaker 1: don't see him doll it up. I worry about him
Speaker 1: getting off press. I worry about him fighting through what
Speaker 1: he's got to fight through at the catch point, and
Speaker 1: like he's an incredible, you know, acrobatic athlete. And you know,
Speaker 1: it was funny people have looking at the same thing
Speaker 1: and come away with different takeaways. And I laugh about
Speaker 1: it a little bit because you even hear a positive, right.
Speaker 1: I think we don't know if he talked about this before,
Speaker 1: but hey, he's got a volleyball background that shows up
Speaker 1: and how athletic.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and then.
Speaker 1: You know what else you hear he's got a volleyball back.
Speaker 1: He's a volleyball player, Like he's not really is he
Speaker 1: a dog? Yes, exactly. So that's just those are the
Speaker 1: discussions taking place in the room, and you got to
Speaker 1: figure out where you land on it. I probably come
Speaker 1: down somewhere in the middle. I still have him as
Speaker 1: a top twenty player in the draft, you know, DJ,
Speaker 1: I think the expectation was going into the Yearbuck that
Speaker 1: this was going to be a top five pick.
Speaker 4: It was that was the expectation.
Speaker 2: In fact, I started the process thinking that he was
Speaker 2: going to be a top five, top ten player given that,
Speaker 2: because I think when I close my eyes, I envisioned him.
Speaker 4: Being Mike Evans.
Speaker 2: He's not, I know, but I envisioned him being someone
Speaker 2: that's big and fast and physical, that dominates like that.
Speaker 2: But that's not what he is, you know, but that's
Speaker 2: what you would You would hope that someone who has
Speaker 2: those tools, been given those tools off the assembly line
Speaker 2: will become a player like Mike Evans has become a
Speaker 2: dominant player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think some of that is if that was
Speaker 1: your image going into the process. You came away from
Speaker 1: it and being like ah man. But if you just
Speaker 1: went with the blank slate and just watched him as
Speaker 1: who he is and what he is, you'd be.
Speaker 3: Like, it's a good player. He is a good player.
Speaker 2: He is, he is a good player. You wonder where
Speaker 2: he tops out at? Look for me, everything is about
Speaker 2: where he.
Speaker 4: Goes and who is his position? Coach?
Speaker 2: Who's the one that can unlock a little more?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get to the next one here,
Speaker 1: Eziraku who I'm a fan of? And I can five
Speaker 1: found teams that are in GMS and coaches that are sponsors,
Speaker 1: and I found gms and coaches that are skeptical. And
Speaker 1: I'll kick it to you. What do you think the
Speaker 1: what do you think the difference is there?
Speaker 2: The people that love him, they love the motor, they
Speaker 2: love a production and just the relentlessness that you see
Speaker 2: him play with. The people that are anti the link
Speaker 2: or the size, the packaging doesn't necessarily fit, and you
Speaker 2: wonder what is he going to give you on those other.
Speaker 4: Downs that are not passing down?
Speaker 2: Like can't he stay on the field and hold his
Speaker 2: own on the edges? When you need him to be
Speaker 2: that every down player.
Speaker 1: So it's close. I mean, he's got he's got long arms.
Speaker 1: He's one of those unique guys where he's six to
Speaker 1: two but he has length. So he's got the long arms.
Speaker 1: The concern really is just he doesn't have power. So
Speaker 1: and again, like I think this is an interesting way
Speaker 1: to frame these because you can say the same thing
Speaker 1: and come away with a different conclusion. He wins a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways. I like because he has a
Speaker 1: lot of different ways to get to the quarterback, but
Speaker 1: power and ruggedness is not one of them. And I
Speaker 1: was talking to a coach. You brought up a point
Speaker 1: and was like, hey, he needs fewer pitches, like you know,
Speaker 1: like all these pitches are great, but you you know,
Speaker 1: he needs too many. He has too many. He needs
Speaker 1: to be able to win, like watch the NFL, which
Speaker 1: power is a big part of how you win in
Speaker 1: the NFL. You have to be able to collapse and
Speaker 1: crush the pocket. So he's got to develop that. Can
Speaker 1: he develop that? And my thing was I think that
Speaker 1: there's you know, we talked about the tight entry a
Speaker 1: while ago, and you have kind of like the Gronk tree,
Speaker 1: the Kelsey tree of the different styles of guys. And
Speaker 1: we've talked about craftsmen on here a lot about pass
Speaker 1: rushers who are craftsmen.
Speaker 3: But if you look at it, those guys don't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen right away because they've been able to
Speaker 1: use all these different tricks in college. Like Trey Hendrickson,
Speaker 1: look at his sack totals his first few years in
Speaker 1: the league. It took a couple of years before it hit,
Speaker 1: and then it hit big. I think last year we
Speaker 1: would be on the same page and say Leatu Latu
Speaker 1: was the most gifted skilled pass rusher, but that didn't
Speaker 1: click right away because all that stuff doesn't always translate.
Speaker 1: You've got to figure out what works now. I think
Speaker 1: all three of these guys are smart, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Hendrickson's blown it up. He's figured it
Speaker 1: out and become a great player. I think Latu is
Speaker 1: going to get there. He's not there yet. And I
Speaker 1: think with Israraku, I think the same thing. I think
Speaker 1: he's got some he can play with some leverage. He's
Speaker 1: just he needs to work on power and just and
Speaker 1: convert that power. But I like him a lot. I
Speaker 1: you know, I think he's got a chance, there's teams
Speaker 1: that like him. I think he's got a chance. It
Speaker 1: could be a top twenty pick. I've looked at Tampa.
Speaker 1: But that's the conversation on him.
Speaker 2: The thing about that when someone is more finesse than force,
Speaker 2: you do wonder what happens when he meets that mountain
Speaker 2: of a man that can sit down on him and
Speaker 2: not let him get to his go to move. What
Speaker 2: is the alternative If you can't just race around the edge,
Speaker 2: if you can't out wiggle him, what do you have.
Speaker 2: The guys who are balanced in terms of being able
Speaker 2: to turn speed into power, they can win with force
Speaker 2: or finess. They're the ones that consistently rings up ring
Speaker 2: up twelve thirteen, fourteen sacks because they have a few
Speaker 2: different ways to get there. Not saying that he's a
Speaker 2: one trick pony, but he certainly has to have the
Speaker 2: game tilted a certain way for him to have success
Speaker 2: coming off the edgees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know, that's going to be the challenge
Speaker 1: that you got to figure that out. Chavon Ravel a
Speaker 1: corner from ECU. I mean, look, he's coming off of injury,
Speaker 1: so he hasn't been healthy through the year with the ACL,
Speaker 1: so that's you know, that's a big part of that discussion.
Speaker 1: I also think there's just some teams that don't like
Speaker 1: the taller, legier corner, So a lot of that's going
Speaker 1: to be usage, I think with his debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, scheme pit is everything for him, but also DJ
Speaker 2: here's the other i'lle be surprised that people haven't talked about,
Speaker 2: like his history. If you really look at his history,
Speaker 2: you're coming out of high school, going to a Juco,
Speaker 2: going to Louisburg, making his way to East Carolina playing
Speaker 2: that one year, didn't getting hurt this year. There's not
Speaker 2: an extensive resume that you can really like lean on.
Speaker 2: When we talk about him being a first round pick
Speaker 2: or top of the second round pick, it is definitely
Speaker 2: more projection than anything.
Speaker 4: And part of that projection is how are we going
Speaker 4: to use him? How does he fit in the scheme
Speaker 4: that we run?
Speaker 2: And I would expect he would be on so many
Speaker 2: different places, on different boards.
Speaker 4: Tended on what scheme they play.
Speaker 2: To me, he's the old school Seattle type corner, the
Speaker 2: old school Sherman Brandon Brown or that gout super long.
Speaker 1: We'll see though, We'll see where he fits yep. I
Speaker 1: think he goes on day two. I think he'll go
Speaker 1: in the second round next one. Jordan Birch from Oregon.
Speaker 1: You know he's six four one two sixty nine four
Speaker 1: sixty seven. This discussion, Buck is kind of a tweener
Speaker 1: those that see the glass half full and those that
Speaker 1: see it half empty. He's kind of a finesse, big
Speaker 1: guy on the edge. He can really go. I mean
Speaker 1: he can really really run. Some teams feel like his
Speaker 1: best fit is gonna be what he can do as
Speaker 1: a subrusher inside. But similar to Ziaku, I think that
Speaker 1: discussion is just kind of like is he rugged? You know,
Speaker 1: is he rugged enough?
Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing, because that's a big part
Speaker 2: of the game, Like you gotta have guys in trenches
Speaker 2: that can can embrace a rock and socker robot style.
Speaker 2: That would be the big question I would have after
Speaker 2: looking at him on tape, like can he get down
Speaker 2: and dirty? Can he make it physical enough if we
Speaker 2: have to have that kind of game plan, that would
Speaker 2: be a major question concern.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then finally Jalen Milroe. Again we've talked about it.
Speaker 1: We talked aout him a lot on here, so we
Speaker 1: don't even go along here. But it's pretty simple. I mean,
Speaker 1: you you you buy into the athletic package and you're
Speaker 1: banking on just time and development that there's more there.
Speaker 1: You know, he's smart, he's a good worker, he's an
Speaker 1: incredible athlete. The main sticking point with a lot of
Speaker 1: teams has been vision decision making. You know, just gosh,
Speaker 1: does he see it? Does he see it?
Speaker 3: Really? Well?
Speaker 1: That's kind of the that's the topic that comes up
Speaker 1: on the teams that are that aren't buying it.
Speaker 2: It's such a hard thing because I wish I could
Speaker 2: kind of read ahead, get to the last page of
Speaker 2: the book to figure out where he goes, and then
Speaker 2: I can give you a thumbs up or down on
Speaker 2: whether I believe he'll make it. A lot of it
Speaker 2: with Jalen Milroe is not only the athleticism and how
Speaker 2: you want to use it, but do you buy into
Speaker 2: the kid. A lot of the reason why Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: worked is because you could buy into the kid that
Speaker 2: he was going to figure it out based on his work,
Speaker 2: ethic and his leadership skills in those things. With Jalen Murroe,
Speaker 2: can people get close enough to him to say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to bet on the kid. I'm on the
Speaker 2: bet that he is going to put everything into it
Speaker 2: and figure it out along the way how he needs
Speaker 2: to play to be able to help this offense move
Speaker 2: the ball consistently and to win games as he's continued
Speaker 2: to add tools to the tool belt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think he's going in the second round, man,
Speaker 1: I do. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty confident that he was going to it. Threw
Speaker 2: me off that when he got the invitation to whatever.
Speaker 1: Well, you never know, yeah, you never know. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, I think I think you'll end up going
Speaker 1: early in the second round. So we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, come back. I want to
Speaker 1: hit a couple underrated players, and then I've got three
Speaker 1: this or that questions for you.
Speaker 3: We'll get to it right after this.
Speaker 1: All right, buck, I was just going through it, and
Speaker 1: to me, it was I had a connection with three
Speaker 1: guys who I thought were kind of I just really
Speaker 1: like him as players, and I talked to teams there
Speaker 1: I found some love, some like I should say, maybe
Speaker 1: not love, but I just think these guys are all
Speaker 1: three good football players. I think all three of them
Speaker 1: belong on Day two and ironically, they all play in
Speaker 1: the secondary for the cal Bears. Noel Williams the corner
Speaker 1: who had seven picks at three against Auburn. He played
Speaker 1: well at a pick six against cam Ord. He's feisty,
Speaker 1: he's quick, he just has excellent ball skills. He's you know,
Speaker 1: he's big. He's over six foot right around two hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: ran four or five flat. Marcus Harris another corner from there,
Speaker 1: is a little a little more juice, a little more twitch,
Speaker 1: real fluid, great athlete, recovery speed. And then Craig Woodson
Speaker 1: is one of my one of my favorite safeties. He's leader,
Speaker 1: he's smart, he can play all over the place, deep, half,
Speaker 1: smooth mover ran four four five, He's a firm tackler,
Speaker 1: just overall real smart, good player. I thought all three
Speaker 1: of those cal Bears are good players, and I thought
Speaker 1: maybe a little undervalued. Is there anybody that that you
Speaker 1: look at in this draft as you kind of go
Speaker 1: through the process, and you're like, you know what, I'll
Speaker 1: bet on that one.
Speaker 4: No, I like, I like those guys that you mentioned.
Speaker 2: It is funny because I think Williams was at the
Speaker 2: East West frying game and we're talking because I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out who his agent is. I think his
Speaker 2: agent is a buddy of mine because they talked to
Speaker 2: me about him.
Speaker 4: I remember having to look at him.
Speaker 2: And there were a couple other guys that were at
Speaker 2: that game that I feel strong about that we're in
Speaker 2: the secondary. Kobe Bryant from Kansas, super competitive. If you
Speaker 2: can see him in one on one drills or whatever,
Speaker 2: man dude goes NonStop, plays hard, just all out and
Speaker 2: the frame scares you. But I love the toughness, the
Speaker 2: intensity that it brings to the field. And then this
Speaker 2: is a bit of a homer, but he also was
Speaker 2: at the game. Elijah Hussey niver back from North Carolina,
Speaker 2: pretty knee. I think you got hurt at the East West.
Speaker 2: But DJ in terms of like the innate feel for
Speaker 2: the position, he has those things, and not as a
Speaker 2: Day one or Day two guy, but when we're looking
Speaker 2: at that position, we're trying to find someone that can
Speaker 2: kind of come out of the lower ranks that could
Speaker 2: be a much better pro than anyone envisions. To me,
Speaker 2: he has it, and he has the pump returnability that
Speaker 2: gives him a chance. So when you think about Marcus
Speaker 2: Owns that was up in New England when Belichick and
Speaker 2: those guys took him out of Houston.
Speaker 4: Yep, he kind of reminds me of that.
Speaker 2: I can get him a jersey each week until he's
Speaker 2: ready to play, and that gives him a chance to
Speaker 2: be a key contribute whenever he gets his chance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that. I just put a little note
Speaker 1: on there. I'm gonna go back and watch a little
Speaker 1: bit more of him. That's good stuff, all right, three,
Speaker 1: I got three this or that's okay. These are discussions
Speaker 1: that are taking place in rooms around the league. Good debates,
Speaker 1: good discussions. You're eight to roll.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: Terence Ferguson versus Harold Fanning tight end position.
Speaker 2: Man, I like Fanning, and I don't want to be
Speaker 2: in I don't want to be overly influenced by the times,
Speaker 2: the comment whatever.
Speaker 3: But Ferguson's bigger, faster, you know, he is his favor.
Speaker 4: And I can't say this.
Speaker 2: But like the way that Fanning consistently gets open is like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how this dude gets open time.
Speaker 4: All the time.
Speaker 3: Is such a everybody jerky awkward?
Speaker 2: He's uh, he's James Hardon right, James Harden on the
Speaker 2: football field.
Speaker 4: Like creating separation. But he can do it all.
Speaker 2: And when you go back and you think about like
Speaker 2: I think he was a safety of running back and
Speaker 2: all of that, it comes out to me, I'll just
Speaker 2: lean towards him.
Speaker 4: He is so productive. Thirty hundred yards at tight end.
Speaker 3: That's stupid production.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a It's a fascinating one to me. That's
Speaker 1: where I came down on it too. But there are
Speaker 1: teams that like Ferguson better because of the you know,
Speaker 1: the traits. But I just got Harold. Harold Fannon to
Speaker 1: me was like you remember the remember Harold Minor with
Speaker 1: baby Jordan. This is this is another Harold fan and
Speaker 1: his baby Gates.
Speaker 3: So that's who.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So so DJ I did not want to say Antonio
Speaker 2: Gates because like to say that somebody.
Speaker 4: Is a Hall of Famer. But I am.
Speaker 2: When I'm when I'm when I'm watching him, I have
Speaker 2: to give context. I saw Antonio Gates play in pre
Speaker 2: season his worst.
Speaker 3: I was with you and in the press box and I.
Speaker 4: Remember like looking at and I had to great him.
Speaker 2: I think I gave him a four nine, which was
Speaker 2: like whatever, and I'm looking at him later scrip like,
Speaker 2: how is he five yards open and he can't run anymore?
Speaker 2: That's what I see when I see Fanning, Like how
Speaker 2: was he wide open?
Speaker 4: Does it? It's just unbelievable how that happens. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: all right.
Speaker 3: Jaden Higgins versus Jack Besh mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Bess is so productive mm hmm. I mean just really productive,
Speaker 4: really smooth.
Speaker 1: Jade Higgins has got a lot of pop and a
Speaker 1: lot a lot of buzz, and he's gonna go early.
Speaker 1: Second girl, I think he's gonna go ahead. He's gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead of Besh. But I'm just saying, like, you
Speaker 1: get a chance to see at the Senior Bowl and
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there going like, I don't know, man, best
Speaker 1: best kind of dominated down there at that Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and the game winner.
Speaker 2: Game winner. Yeah, that's there's something. These are just something
Speaker 2: to that, Like it's so funny. I just want people
Speaker 2: to understand because being agreed, we had not talked about
Speaker 2: any of this. No, it's no, we're falling on the
Speaker 2: same side of the argument.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's what I mean. I just think it's been
Speaker 1: kind of universal. You know, Jayan Higgins is a good player.
Speaker 1: I like him, but I just I just go back
Speaker 1: down to the Senior Bowl. I can't get that out
Speaker 1: of my head. All right, last one and this is
Speaker 1: one that here we are. What is as we're recording this,
Speaker 1: we're thirteen days away?
Speaker 3: Is that right? Thirteen days away from the draft?
Speaker 1: I think I don't even have my final answer on
Speaker 1: this one, Buck, So you can't say we're on the
Speaker 1: same page, because I'm not on a page.
Speaker 3: JT.
Speaker 4: T from Ohio.
Speaker 3: Ohio State, Nick Gorton from A and m.
Speaker 4: Okay, I gonna say true to what I believe early.
Speaker 4: I'm a S. Gordon fan.
Speaker 2: I was a Scordon fan, just watching him, seeing how
Speaker 2: hard he played, seeing what he brings to the table.
Speaker 2: To me, I'm just betting on him all day. I
Speaker 2: think he figures out a way to have success. Combine
Speaker 2: was a bit of a disappointment in terms of like
Speaker 2: I thought he was gonna be much better. But man
Speaker 2: on the tape, I I just fell in love with
Speaker 2: what I saw from him early and often just making
Speaker 2: plays and kind of always been around it.
Speaker 3: I talked about this the other day.
Speaker 1: He I mean he played it close to too eighty
Speaker 1: this year, and then at the Pro day.
Speaker 3: He's two fifty seven.
Speaker 1: He's like a different human being, and come to find out,
Speaker 1: they wanted to bulk him up at A and M.
Speaker 1: So that's why he was playing in that particular body type.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see like the pop or the juice
Speaker 1: from him, and that was my concern with him. And
Speaker 1: then everybody I talked to him said, you go back
Speaker 1: and watch him at Purdue and he's a lighter guy
Speaker 1: and that's where he's at his best. And I guess
Speaker 1: his pro day was excellent, like the way he moved
Speaker 1: around and stuff coaches raved about him. And then everybody
Speaker 1: that's met with him, and really both these kids, I
Speaker 1: should say this about both of them. The teams that
Speaker 1: have met with him and talked with these kids, they
Speaker 1: are studs, like great kids. These D line coaches want
Speaker 1: to coach these two kids, and I think they are
Speaker 1: going to come off the board very in a very
Speaker 1: similar proximity when it's all said and done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't get enough good players. That's good intel
Speaker 2: though about scoring. He was that Purdue, and that's really
Speaker 2: important why scouts have to dig deeper in just that
Speaker 2: final campaign. It is, Yeah, the final campaign matters, but really,
Speaker 2: it's the entire body of work and understanding the whise
Speaker 2: behind the successes of failures that you see doing that
Speaker 2: final campaign.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, somebody, I got to get this. Uh,
Speaker 1: I gotta check this. But somebody did tell me that
Speaker 1: he does not like going by JTT. So I guess
Speaker 1: that's it's JT to him.
Speaker 4: Alow.
Speaker 1: So, I if I was offensive, and I apologize, I
Speaker 1: will not do that when we get to the draft.
Speaker 1: But maybe maybe it was someone just busting my chops.
Speaker 1: But I did hear from somebody that he does not
Speaker 1: like being called that I would love to be called JTT.
Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great name.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a great name. But hopefully you're not
Speaker 4: in here on path in the.
Speaker 2: Draft when he comes through and you say, hey, JTT.
Speaker 3: That nothing was worth Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't share some of those stories about guys coming
Speaker 1: through on path and telling them I know certain people
Speaker 1: in their life that I find out they no longer
Speaker 1: have relationships with. That was not not my finest hour there, buck,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about? All right, all right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us today. Man, we are
Speaker 1: almost to the draft. We appreciate you guys hanging with us.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, right here on booth the
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