1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracy V. Wilson 3 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: and I'm Holly Frye. We talked about electric cardiograms this week. 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: We sure did. You're wondering why we didn't postpone recording 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: because I have a little cold. We did. We did, 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: in fact postpone the recording. We got to the end 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: of the window for postponing things, so it became we 8 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: got to record the podcast. Now, I will say it 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: does seem like the fates have been trying to get 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: us to not record this time. Yeah, it's been a 11 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: kind of an ordeal this particular week. I'm going a 12 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: prefaces by saying I'm not asking for medical advice. Please 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: do not send medical advice if you find yourself writing 14 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: an email that starts I know you said not to 15 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: send medical advice, but please don't send that either. But 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell the story of the two times 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: that I got an electric cardiogram. So the first time, 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: this was more than twenty years ago, I was having 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: a palpitation issue. I worked at a place where we 20 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: had a nurse, and so first I went to the 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: nurse and told her what I was experiencing, and the 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: nurse said that I should go to urgent care, which 23 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: I did, and they hooked me up to the machine 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: and that was normal. Then they were like, Okay, we're 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: going to just put you on this monitor for a while. 26 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: Just chill out in this room and we'll be back 27 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: to check on you in a little bit, and I 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: said cool. While they were gone, I started to really 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: need to pee and it was one of those things 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: where I couldn't stop thinking about it, and the like 31 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: need to go to the bathroom was stressing me out. 32 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: And then that was making the monitor like that was 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: making my heart rate go up, which I was also 34 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: aware of because I could see and hear the monitor 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: and it was a cycle. And finally the nurse came 36 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: back in. It was like whoa, what is going on? 37 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: And I was like, I've got to be so bad anyway, 38 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: the urgent care at that time also this becomes a 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: story about how our medical system in the United States 40 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: has broken. This is pre Affordable Care Act that we're 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: talking about. Is how long ago this was still broken. 42 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 1: They wanted to give me an event monitor, which is 43 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: kind of like a Halter monitor, but instead of continually 44 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: recording my heart I was supposed to mash a button 45 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: when I was experiencing the palpitation feeling that I was having. 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Because nothing had other than the fact that when I 47 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: urgently needed to use the bathroom, my heart rate was 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: very high. Nothing had seemed unusual at urgent Care, so 49 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: they give me this thing. I at this point was 50 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: working as a massage therapist in a very fancy spa 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: and the monitor was under my clothing. It wasn't visible 52 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: to people. But the first time that I needed to 53 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: activate it, I was in the elevator at work, sort 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,119 Speaker 1: of behind the scenes, and I learned that it made 55 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: an audible noise that I would compare to the sound 56 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: of a dial up modem connecting. Gotcha, And I was like, 57 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: I can't wear this at work. I am a massage therapist. Like, 58 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: if I'm in a room with a client and I 59 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: mashed this thing, it's going to do this. And if 60 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: I just don't mash it, because it's going to make 61 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: this loud noise in the middle of somebody's massage, like, 62 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: then I'm not getting the thing, Like I'm not getting 63 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: the monitoring that I'm supposed to be getting, so I 64 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: called the urgent Care and they were like, just send 65 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: it back. Months pass and I get a bill for 66 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: six hundred dollars, which is a tiny amount of money 67 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: compared to a lot of today's medical medical bills. But 68 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: it was six hundred dollars that I did not have 69 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: because the provider for the event monitor was out of network, 70 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: and because for some reason I didn't get a bill 71 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: for this until months after it had like the service 72 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: had happened. I was passed the deadline to to like 73 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: file like to get them to get the insurance company 74 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: to like revisit their denial of the claim right, and 75 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't I don't have six hundred dollars. 76 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: Nobody talked to me about this costing six hundred dollars. 77 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: Nobody talked to me about the fact that the provider 78 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: for this thing was out of network. Apparently no one 79 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: thought to see if they were in my network before 80 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,919 Speaker 1: signing me up for a six hundred dollar thing. That 81 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: they didn't the signing me up for a six hundred 82 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: dollar thing without like talking to me about it. And 83 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: then I moved away and that was the end of that. 84 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: And decades have passed without me ever again hearing about 85 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: that six hundred dollars, like it never went to collections 86 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: or anything like that. It's just a whole it's a 87 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: whole weird thing that is weird. That was all probably 88 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: stress related. I don't know's it's the problem stopped happening. Hooray. 89 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: That time I did have irritation from the adhesive on 90 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: the the electrons. This time, we have talked about how 91 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: I have been, like, I have hypertension, I'm on medication 92 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: for my blood pressure. I needed to have my dosage 93 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: adjusted and I had gone for a follow up for 94 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: that and my doctor was like, why is your heart 95 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 1: rate a little high? And I said I don't know, 96 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: and I had been putting in my pulse along with 97 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: my blood pressure readings, and she was like, it's been 98 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: a little high pretty much this whole time. Let's get 99 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: let's get an EKG. I at my physical I had 100 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: already gotten all of the of the various blood work 101 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: for things that might cause a person to have an 102 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: elevated heart rate, and all of that had been normal, 103 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: and the the EKG was almost was like also normal. 104 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: And when I was asked, have you ever had one 105 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: of these before? I was like, oh, yeah, it was 106 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: probably more than twenty years ago at this point. She 107 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, this is it. It's changed almost none 108 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: since then, but the machine will probably take less time. 109 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: And for my specific experience, the adhesive electrodes did not 110 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: cause me any irritation whatsoever, which I was glad about 111 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: because I do tend to react to adhesives. Sometimes I 112 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: do too in medical contexts. So it was a great 113 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: move for me to drop the very unwieldy topic for 114 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: this because I was like, I bet I can do 115 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: an electro cardiogram episode way faster than I can finish 116 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: this unwieldy thing. That turned out to be totally correct. 117 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: Even working through having a cold the whole time. I 118 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: did not feel ill enough during the work week to 119 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: need to take sick days. My voice sounded terrible. I 120 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: returned to the unwieldy topic, which is coming. I definitely 121 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: would not have finished it on time. I continued trying 122 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: to work on it. It turned out to be kind 123 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: of a tangle. It is coming, though I'm not gonna 124 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: spoil what it is. It's gonna be soon. There. One 125 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: of the papers that I read while researching this was 126 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: about automated ECG interpretation, and it was called Automated ECG Interpretation, 127 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: A brief History from high Expectations to deepest Networks in 128 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: the journal Hearts And here's a quote quote. The purpose 129 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: of this article is to review the development of automated 130 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: ECG processing from its beginnings to the present day, with 131 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: the hope that between the time the article was written 132 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: and published there will not have been some world shattering 133 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: development to make the content of this paper outdated. I mean, 134 00:07:55,800 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: I found that hilarious, the refrain of all scientists everywhere 135 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: right now. Yep. We have occasionally recorded an episode on 136 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: something on the podcast and then in less than twenty 137 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: four hours there's a major discovery of that related to that, 138 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: something that seems more likely to happen in a field 139 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: like automated ECG interpretation. I also noted we've had a 140 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: number of medical episodes lately, and they've been pretty focused 141 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: on Europe and North America, and I think some of 142 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: that has to do with like where the centers of 143 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: academic and medical research were, But then some of it 144 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: is also probably just information availability. It's totally possible that 145 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: there were other discoveries elsewhere in the world. That I 146 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: just did not uncover in what I was working on. 147 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: So I wanted to and not acknowledge that this topic 148 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: reminded me of a thing that I forgot. Okay, which 149 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: is it. I don't think I had ever had an 150 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: EKG until last year, which is I've talked about it 151 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: on the show. I'm fine, everything's fine. But I had 152 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: been having weird chest pain. Oh yeah, And I had 153 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: done a like is this heart burn? Because I almost 154 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: feel like a jerk for saying this. I had never 155 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: experienced heart burn in my life. I can eat all 156 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: of the cruel and evil things and the most I 157 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: will do is burp, but I don't get a burning 158 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 1: sensation like I don't. So I did not know. And 159 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: I did a telehealth consult because it was like the 160 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: middle of the night, and the doctor that I talked 161 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: to was like, Hey, you're in your fifties. This could 162 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: be a heart attack. Maybe you go to the er now. 163 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: And I went to the er and I didn't even 164 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: have like this information all the way out of my 165 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: mouth before like an orderly came screeching around the corner 166 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: with the cart and was like, I'm still filling out 167 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: paperwork and they did it and they're like, hey, your 168 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: heart's fine, your heart's actually great, and I was like, okay, good. 169 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: I thought I would go home, but that was when 170 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: I had my gallbladder out. But the other thing that 171 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: I had quite forgotten was that I'm presuming it was 172 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: some form of a halter EKG. When I was admitted 173 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,959 Speaker 1: and I was in the hospital, they continued to monitor 174 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: my heart just for safety, and so I had one 175 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: that lived or I had, you know, electrodes that lived 176 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: on me. And I didn't know until later when I 177 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: was like, what the heck's going on that it was 178 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: sending all of my info continuously via Wi Fi to 179 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: the nurses station. Oh yeah, until I like scratched myself 180 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: in my sleep and undid one of the electrodes, which 181 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: to them looked like I was crashing. And right right 182 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: there were a lot of very concerned people in my room, 183 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what what's happening? Yeah, wonderful of them 184 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: to be on the spot, but yeah, I was just 185 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: a dang dong that moved my gown around and scratched 186 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: it myself in a way that yeah, ruined their feedback. 187 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: I don't fully know what happened because you are typically 188 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: not conscious during a colonoscopy unless you're me. I wake 189 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,680 Speaker 1: him every time when I had been taken to the 190 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: recovery room after I got a colonoscopy, and I was, 191 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, I had been brought my clothing and I 192 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: was in kind of like, you know, a private area 193 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: where I would recombobulate myself. They were unhooking me from things, 194 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: and then somebody went, oh, that explains it. And similarly, 195 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: like a monitor wire had had come off of what 196 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: it was supposed to be attached to. So I'm like, 197 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: what was happening in the room while my thing was 198 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: going on? Was somebody like, I don't know, something seems wrong, 199 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: but she seems fine. Whatever it was was a dislodged monitor. 200 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: You also gave me an unwieldy things memory. Oh yeah, 201 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: of a recent event. Okay, so some time ago, perhaps 202 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: a year and a half, huh, I was working on 203 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: a subject which became unwieldy. Yeah, and I kind of 204 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: abandoned it and then I forgot all about it. And 205 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: recently it has come to my attention that my sewing 206 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: room must be reorganized. It's really like in a rough shape. 207 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: If somebody looked at it. They wouldn't trust me to 208 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: make a bed, let alone make a garment like it. 209 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: It's become such a mess. And so I started like 210 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: basically pulling everything out of there, running stuff to our 211 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: storage unit, and then we're gonna put in new shelving 212 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: and like rebuild it out. But while I was doing that, 213 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: I uncovered several books that had become buried under fabric 214 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: that I had been using to research this other subject. 215 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: I was like, huh, I wonder how far along I 216 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: am on that. Maybe I should pick that b Yeah, yeah, 217 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: so it might still happen. We'll see, Yeah, I don't know. 218 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: My wieldy topic is definitely happening. It is I would 219 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: say seventy percent written at this point. Once I got 220 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: all of my note taking done. It was not like 221 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: the writing process has gone really quickly on it, but 222 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: like there was just too much left to do for 223 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: it to have been done in that amount of time. 224 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: So my one last thing that I have written on 225 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: my list of notes that I made for myself about 226 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: the behind the scenes for this. I don't know how 227 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: I wound up on the villain Eintoven Wikipedia page, because 228 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: like we don't that's not that's not where I'm researching episodes. 229 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: So I think I might have like clicked on somebody 230 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: else's source link on their thing and it turned out 231 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: to be Wikipedia or whatever. But there is a Jack 232 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: the Ripper section on the villain Wanchoven Wikipedia page alleging 233 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: that he was a suspect for being Jack the Ripper. 234 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: I was shocked by this because until reading that paragraph, 235 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: I had thought about what a nice guy he seemed 236 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: to be, Like, he seemed to be very focused on 237 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: giving other people credit for their work, even though that 238 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, like he didn't necessarily need to credit someone 239 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: who did work independently of him, where they came to 240 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: a similar conclusion, but he did. I have no idea 241 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: what he was like as a person, but the fact 242 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: that he wanted to split his nobel money with an 243 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: earlier assistant also a thing that I that just sort 244 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: of was like, this seems like he might have been 245 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: a nice guy. And then I get to somehow on 246 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: the Wikipedia page and there's this Jack the Ripper thing. 247 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: So then I started trying to like find out what 248 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: people saying, we're saying about him possibly being Jack the Ripper, 249 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: and I didn't find any other reference to it in 250 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: any places that have stuff about potential Jack the Ripper's aspects. 251 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: I have deories you do. Yeah, okay, because maybe dabbling 252 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: more Jack the Ripper reading than you. But yeah, well, 253 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: and I am by no means a Jack the Ripper 254 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: expert in either, but I do love that story. Yeah, 255 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: it's a whole world of research that I have not 256 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: touched in any way. But I will say there are 257 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: two things that are like, oh, I see how he 258 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: got on the list, uh huh. One is that almost 259 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: any doctor practicing at the time got on the list 260 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: at some point. The other is that he was a foreigner, sure, 261 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: and a doctor and that Okay, that's like the double 262 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: trouble of well, you have an accent, you clearly must 263 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: hate women and be weird. So I think that's probably 264 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: all it was. Or maybe he was a super creeper. 265 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, but uh, those are That pattern plays 266 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: out a lot if you look at at a lot 267 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 1: of the medical professionals in the area. It was like 268 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: the crosshatching of like doctors check doctors who are foreign 269 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: born check check check check check. Like it automatically and 270 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: exponentially increased their their their suspect level for the authorities. Yeah, 271 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: it was one of those things where I was like, 272 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: where did this information come from? And it's got that 273 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: tag on Wikipedia of citation needed, and that I wasn't 274 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: able to like reverse engineer any sort of citation for it. 275 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: So anyway, I think that's all I've really got to 276 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: say about electric cardiograms and today's behind scenes. I'll say 277 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: hooray for them. Yeah, older than I realized they were. 278 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: I mean I knew how that they are critical to 279 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: cardiac care. I don't think I had a sense of 280 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: just how many different things can be detected in one 281 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: until really working on this. We talked about Albert Beerstott 282 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: this week. Indeed, I almost said this weekend. I mean 283 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 1: I did talk about him in the preceding weekend with 284 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: friends and my husband, but that's not the same. His 285 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: work is so staggeringly beautiful that the almost clinical way 286 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: he approached it boggles my mind. Yeah. Occasionally when we 287 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: talk about somebody having talent, like I will hear objections 288 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: to the idea of talents as a thing, and it's like, 289 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: there are definitely people who find some things that come 290 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: very easily to them. Yes, And so when it comes 291 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: to things like artistic talent. There are for sure people 292 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: who find the process of making art and learning how 293 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: to do it comes easy to them, and also people 294 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: who like really have to work at it, and it 295 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: feels like more of a struggle. And I don't know 296 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: how he personally felt about the process of learning to 297 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: make art, but it does seem clear from like the 298 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: episode as he wrote it, that it was something that 299 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: he intentionally worked toward, not something that he necessarily just 300 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 1: felt an aptitude for from the beginning. No, and I 301 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: couldn't find the accounts. But in that lecture that we 302 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: mentioned that was given by Karen Quinn, I couldn't. I 303 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: couldn't find her source for it, but she mentioned that 304 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: accounts by his family are like, yeah, he wasn't actually 305 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: very good at all, like growing up, we don't know 306 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: how this happened. I mean, they know that he studied, 307 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: but it wasn't like he was like a thunder kind 308 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: that was like, oh, yeah, this child will become a 309 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: great painter. He will become one of the best known 310 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: painters of our lives. Yeah. Yeah, I remember being in 311 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: you know, art class in elementary school and the like, 312 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 1: there was one kid who could just sketch these amazing 313 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: lifelike sketches of people, while the entire rest of the 314 00:18:52,640 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: class was like one step up from finger painting. I 315 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: felt like that that was the case with him. No, 316 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: not at all. I will say though, his family did 317 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: seem to have an interest in visual media. And I 318 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: say that because we mentioned in the episode that he 319 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: was a pretty quick adopter of photography as a reference 320 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: collection tool, right, and his brothers also did a lot 321 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: of photography. One of his brothers became a professional photographer, 322 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: and I found in one thing that I looked at 323 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: and mentioned that he had actually opened a photography studio 324 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: with his brothers that was quite successful, But I couldn't 325 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: ever find verification of that, so I didn't include it 326 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: in the episode. It may be that he financially backed 327 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,479 Speaker 1: them and he wasn't really involved in that business at all. 328 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: But one of his brothers did have a lot of 329 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: photography credits and helped him capture imagery sometimes when they 330 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: traveled together, and I think his other brother also did 331 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: some So I mean, again, I don't know much about 332 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: that brother and whether or not he was like I 333 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: love photography, it's my passion, or if he was like 334 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: photographs seemed lucrative. I really really yeah, And I thought 335 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:16,479 Speaker 1: that quote that we included towards the end, that was 336 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: written shortly before he died was really germane in all 337 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: of this, because it's that line skill prevails over imagination 338 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: in the Dusseldorf artists. They I mean, these are skillfully 339 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: executed paintings. They are absolutely beautiful, in my opinion the 340 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: way I understand why our listener El who wrote in 341 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 1: was completely captivated by it, because the dramatic effect of 342 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: lighting in particular is just it will it will stop 343 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: you in your tracks. It's so beautiful, and it gets 344 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: into a bigger discussion of the creator versus the audience, 345 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: and like what the truly important part of that equation is, Right, 346 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter matter that he wasn't necessarily like I'm 347 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: stricken with pain at the beauty of this, I must 348 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: paint it, and was instead like, stamp a picture of that, 349 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: Stamp a picture that I'm gonna pay this to my 350 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: studio later. It doesn't matter to me that that was 351 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: how that played out, because what matters to me is 352 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: that a person was emotionally moved by it later. Right, Yeah, 353 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: So that's a whole big discussion of art. There are 354 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: a lot of interesting discussions going on in the art 355 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: world right now about the meaning of the finances of 356 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: art and like how art becomes treasured to a degree 357 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: that the average person cannot possess art, and like what 358 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: it means to actually like the inflation of art value 359 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: and what art value means, which gets very heavy and interesting. 360 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: There lots of interesting discussions you can find about it. 361 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, my thing has always been I don't 362 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: care if this person was doing this for any particular reason. 363 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: I don't care if they were moved. I'm sure moved 364 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: by it. Like, Yeah, I mostly see this kind of 365 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: discourse in the in the context of writing rather than 366 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: visual art, just because of the kinds of folks that 367 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: I tend to to follow, And I would say I 368 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: am familiar with the ongoing work of way more current 369 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: writers than current visual artists, and I will often see 370 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: discussions of the fact that, like the way we talk 371 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: about writing and the way we talk about creativity, a 372 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: lot of times people put this almost supernatural spin on 373 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 1: it when like, it's it's work. Yeah, it's work, and 374 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: people should be paid for their work and the like 375 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: mythologizing of the whole creative process does a disservice to 376 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: writing and other creative work from multiple angles. Yeah, I 377 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: mean in the art world, this is a big part 378 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: of that discussion, right, Like an artist is a professional 379 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: maker of art, and they should be paid for their 380 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: time and their effort and the time and effort that 381 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: they spent you know, getting educated or practicing or whatever 382 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: to get to the point that they can make something 383 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: that you find of value enough that you want to 384 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 1: have it in your home or in your life or whatever. 385 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: This gets me on another soapbox, but like it's that 386 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: juxtaposed against this person painted a piece of art, and 387 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, like in modern arts, sometimes 388 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: people will be like, I don't see the technique in this, 389 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: and yet it commands high for low five price tag, 390 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: you know, five digit price tag, and people not understanding 391 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: why that would be. And it is like a bigger 392 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: discussion too about economic demand and markets and what people 393 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: are actually paying for. Is it really the art or 394 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: is it the status of owning the art? Like it's 395 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: so heady and it's such a long and big thing. 396 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: But my other thing is this, if you like art 397 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: and we are also in a world where on the upside, 398 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: artists and access to art has become a little more 399 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: democratized in some ways. Right. You can find a lot 400 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 1: of people online selling their art that make absolutely beautiful 401 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: and incredible pieces of work. But often because I do 402 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of friends that are artists, it is 403 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: shocking and mortifying to me how many people will try 404 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,239 Speaker 1: to haggle an artists down from their asking price. And 405 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: it's like, because people think you made this, you could 406 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: make more, why do you want so much money? You 407 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: can just make another one. And it's like, no, because 408 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: I spent time making this one, right, that is what 409 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,239 Speaker 1: you're paying for. Yeah, I also spent the time like 410 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: learning and practicing and honing my craft, in honing my art. Yeah, 411 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: that's wild to me. We believe in paying artists in 412 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: this household. I feel strongly about this issue. Yeah. That's 413 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: on my trip to Asheville from a few weeks ago. 414 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 1: At this point, they were having a festival in the 415 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: River Arts District, which was one of the places that 416 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: was devastated by Helene, with some of the with a 417 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 1: lot of galleries and studios just absolutely destroyed. Yeah, and 418 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: it like if you look at the map of the 419 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: River Arts District before Helene. It is maybe three times 420 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: as big as the map of what was open when 421 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: I was there. And I literally just walked around buying 422 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: small pieces of art from people. Anything I saw that 423 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: I liked that, I thought, Okay, I can get this 424 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: in my luggage going home. I just bought it. And 425 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't remember what the point was 426 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 1: of this besides the fact that, like, I loved seeing 427 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: how many people there were who were out there selling 428 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: their art and how different some of it was from 429 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, and I love that, and I love that, 430 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: you know, there is a place that, you know, all 431 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: of these various artists like created a place that was 432 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: a home for this that they are now recreating in 433 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: the aftermath of the hurricane. Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm 434 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: such a believer in patronizing artists as much as you can. 435 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: I think I've said before that my tattoo artist owns 436 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: an art gallery, and it's a portion of the gallery 437 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: space is what's set aside for tattoos, and so it 438 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: is the dangerous equation of me sitting there for several 439 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: hours at a time looking at beautiful art and not 440 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: coming home having purchased. Yeah, there are so many times 441 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Brian, there's painting in the car, right, 442 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: It's okay, and I love it. There's so much that 443 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: That is where I had my birthday this year. I 444 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: had a bunch of friends and we went to the 445 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: gallery and they closed the gallery for us, and they 446 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: designed flash just for us, and we all got tattoos 447 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: and looked at art. And several of my friends were like, oh, 448 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: I see why this is in fact a problem, right, right, 449 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: She's just wonderful. More people patronize artists, take care, take 450 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: care of the artists. There are lots of people that 451 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: need patronizing, not in the negative, obejorative sense of that word, 452 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 1: but in terms of like supporting them in their their careers. 453 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: Artists are but one, but they're one that is very 454 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: special to me. So if this is your weekend coming up, 455 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: you can either buy some art from a local artist, 456 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: or you can go to a museum and appreciate art 457 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: that way that also supports the arts. If you don't 458 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: have time off, I hope you get to look at 459 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: something pretty that makes your heart feel good and happy 460 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: and whole, or evoke something in you that is important 461 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: and meaningful to you. I hope everybody's nice to each other, 462 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: and that we find ways to appreciate each other and 463 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: art and the joyous things in the world as much 464 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: as we can. I know that's hard sometimes, but it's 465 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: really important. We will be right back here tomorrow with 466 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: a classic episode, and then on Monday we will have 467 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: something brand new. 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