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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Good morning, I'm Nathan

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Speaker 1: Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the stories we're

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Speaker 1: following today, Karen.

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Speaker 2: Investors may still be assessing the impact of the first

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Speaker 2: encounter between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. The two presidential

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Speaker 2: candidates spent ninety minutes in Philadelphia sparring over abortion rights

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Speaker 2: January sixth, and the wars in Ukraine and Gaza, But

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Speaker 2: the ABC News presidential debate began with the economy. Vice

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Speaker 2: President Harris touted her plan for a fifty thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: My opponent has a plan that I call the Trump's

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Speaker 3: sales tax, which would be a twenty percent tax every

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Speaker 3: day goods that you rely on to get through the month.

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Speaker 2: Vice President Harris's comment on tariff's had former President Trump

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Speaker 2: on the defensive.

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Speaker 4: Person who will have no sales tax. That's an incorrect

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Speaker 4: stape and she knows that we're doing tariffs another country.

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Speaker 4: These other countries are going to finally, after seventy five years,

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Speaker 4: pay us back for all that we've done for the world.

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Speaker 2: And the candidates also clashed on abortion rights. The Vice

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Speaker 2: president said the end of Roe. V Wade has led

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Speaker 3: If Donald Trump were to be reelected, he will sign

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Speaker 3: a national abortion ban. Understand in his Project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: there would be a national abortion a monitor that would

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Speaker 3: be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump said he has not read Project twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: When asked if he would veto a national abortion ban,

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Speaker 4: As far as the abortion ban. No, I'm not a

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Speaker 4: favorite of abortion ban, but it doesn't matter because this

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and Kamala Harris also sparred over foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: The vice president said the former president would end the

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Speaker 3: If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in

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Speaker 3: Putin's agenda is not just about Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And later in the debate, when the focus turned to immigration,

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Speaker 4: They're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're

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Speaker 4: eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people

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Speaker 1: In that claim on the ABC News presidential debate earned

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Speaker 1: one of several fact checks from a moderated David Buhre.

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Speaker 2: Well, Karen, there is plenty of reaction pouring in this

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Speaker 2: morning to the debate. We spoke with Bloomberg political contributors

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Speaker 5: I would say most of the moments, you know, sort

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Speaker 5: of following from this debate were how strong Kamala Harris

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Speaker 5: was on national security. She used Donald Trump's own former

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Speaker 5: this category, which I thought was an interesting turn about

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Speaker 5: in Donald trump unwillingness to say that he would veto

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Speaker 6: One thing that we'll define this debate will be him

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Speaker 6: talking about illegal immigrants eating pets. But that's what he

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Speaker 6: went to as opposed to where his team wanted him

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Speaker 6: to go issues economy, immigration, and the idea that she's

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Speaker 2: Bloomberg political contributors Genie Shanzano and Rick Davis spoke during

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Speaker 2: our special debate coverage last night on Bloomberg Radio and Television.

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Speaker 1: Well Nathan, minutes after the debate, concluded, Harris picked up

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Speaker 1: a key endorsement from a pop icon, and we get

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Speaker 1: that story from Bloomberg's Kimberly Adams.

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Speaker 7: The endorsement comes from one of the music industry's biggest stars,

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Speaker 7: Taylor Swift. In an Instagram post, Swift wrote, I think

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Speaker 7: she is a steady handed, gifted leader, and I believe

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Speaker 7: we can accomplish so much more in this country. We

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Speaker 7: Donald Trump's running mate. Swift has a dedicated following among

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Speaker 7: young women, a key demographic in the November election. Trump

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Speaker 7: the endorsement quote means a lot to us. Kimberly Adams

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Speaker 2: All right, Kimberly, thank you, and we are going to

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Speaker 2: get much more reaction to the presidential debate in a

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Speaker 2: few minutes when we bring you a special political roundtable.

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Speaker 2: But let's turn back to the markets now. We are

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Speaker 2: watching futures fall ahead of another key reading on inflation

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Speaker 2: get a preview from Bloomberg's Michael McKee.

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Speaker 8: Unless there's a major surprise, the August CPI report won't

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Speaker 8: by falling food and gasoline prices. Headline CPI is expected

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Speaker 8: Michael McKee, Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mike, thanks, and ahead of the CPI report to

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Speaker 2: your treasury yields have fallen to their lowest level since

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Speaker 1: Well, Nathan Warren Buffett continues to sell shares a Bank

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Speaker 1: of America. A regulatory filing shows Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway reaped

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Speaker 1: significant slowdown from the eight prior rounds in which his

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Speaker 1: three days of trading, Berkshire still holds just over a

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Speaker 2: We're watching shares of game Stop this morning, Careen. They

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Speaker 2: the video game retailer reported a fourth consecutive quarter of

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Speaker 2: Game Stop shares continued to be buffeted largely by the

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Speaker 2: Meme stock trading community. Back in June, the company raised

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Speaker 2: more than two billion dollars after stock influencer Keith Gill,

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Speaker 2: Game Stop has a market cap of about ten billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: In other news, this morning, Nathan Today marks the twenty

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Speaker 1: third anniversary of the September eleventh, the terrorist attack. We're

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Speaker 1: joined by Bloomberg's Lisa Matteo in New York, Lisa Hey Karen.

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Speaker 9: Today, the nation pays tribute to those who had lost

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Speaker 9: its annual sam Ernie at eight thirty am Wall Street

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Speaker 9: Time in Lower Manhattan, honoring the twenty nine hundred and

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Speaker 9: include a reading of the victims' names, as well as

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Speaker 9: six moments of silence recognizing when both World Trade Center

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Speaker 9: be open to family members at the victims. Both President

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Speaker 9: attend in New York. Lisa Mateo Bloomberg Radio, it's.

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Speaker 1: Time now for a look at some of the other

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Speaker 1: stories making news in New York and around the world.

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Speaker 1: For that, we're joined by Bloomberg's John Tucker, John, Good morning,

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Speaker 10: Morning, Karen. Hurricane Francine gained strength. It's expended to make

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Speaker 2: All eyes are on the golf right now. We're actively monitoring.

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Speaker 1: The track and the projected intensity of the storm as

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Speaker 10: On its current track, Francine could graze Morgan City, with

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Speaker 10: Winds were about ninety miles an hour. US aviation authorities

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Speaker 10: will investigate a ground collision between two Delta Airline passenger

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Speaker 10: jets in Atlanta. That story from Bloomberg's and Baxter.

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Speaker 11: The larger plane was carrying two hundred and twenty one

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Speaker 3: Hit something on the tactaway.

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Speaker 11: No injuries. Passengers were put on different flights. The FAA

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Speaker 10: Former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo talk to reporters after

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Speaker 10: he testified before a House subcommittee on his handling of

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Speaker 10: the COVID nineteen pandemic. He took aim at Donald Trump.

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Speaker 12: I took responsibility every day, unlike the.

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Speaker 10: The committee criticized his policy in twenty twenty to readmit

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Speaker 10: expert crossing automakers should do more to increase the safety

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Speaker 10: current technology leaves cars vulnerable to being manipulated without an

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Speaker 10: you want it with Bloomberg News. Now, I'm John Tucker.

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Speaker 12: John, Good morning, Good morning, Guaranteo. And a half weeks

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Speaker 12: left for the baseball regular season. Yankees almost certain to

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Speaker 12: to lose. All one for the Yankees, a five nothing

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Speaker 12: Lugo pitched seven in means, allowed only three singles, no walks,

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Speaker 12: Baltimore won five to three at Boston, the Yankee lead

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Speaker 12: Chris Bassett beat David Peterson, who came in nine to one.

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Speaker 12: A golf sit down held yesterday in New York will

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Speaker 12: in a meeting with Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund, the

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Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning. I'm Nathan Hager. Shares

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Speaker 2: the biggest laggards in early trading, down nearly seventeen percent

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Speaker 2: this morning after an ABC News presidential debate that saw

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Speaker 2: we are very pleased to bring you a roundtable discussion

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Speaker 2: with Jennifer Lawless, the chair of the politics department at

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Speaker 2: by Terry Haynes, the founder of Pangea Policy. Good morning

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Speaker 2: to both of you. Thanks for so much for being

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 3: His former chief of staff of four star general has

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Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawless of UVA want to get your reaction first

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Speaker 2: to what we heard over the ninety minutes last night.

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Speaker 14: Good morning, Good morning. I think Kamala Harris performed as

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Speaker 2: Your reaction as well, Terry. Did Kamala Harris perform as

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Speaker 7: Last night?

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Speaker 15: Good morning, Nathan. You know, I think that Harris very

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Speaker 2: We did hear a lot of discussion about policy, though,

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Speaker 14: I think that for people that were looking for details

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Speaker 14: But night was not a masterclass in economic policy or

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Speaker 14: I think people that were looking for policy details found them.

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Speaker 14: But generally it was an opportunity to demonstrate the character

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Speaker 2: Going into this debate. Terry, we had heard that, or

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Speaker 2: But we also heard former President Trump asked about some

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Speaker 4: I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now,

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Speaker 2: Does the former president Terry need to answer more for

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Speaker 15: Well, you know it's uh. Harris had a kind of

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Speaker 15: the social issues are very much to her advantage. Firstly, Secondly,

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Speaker 14: It doesn't for a few reasons. The first is it's

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Speaker 2: What about you, Terry, And I wonder whether you think

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Speaker 15: You know, I think the I think the punditocracy out

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Speaker 15: So I don't really think there's a problem with it

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Speaker 15: I think that the rhetorical contrast was also huge. It

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Speaker 2: With Harris on the point of the hyperbole, Jennifer, I

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Speaker 2: And after the debate, Terry, we actually saw former President

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Speaker 15: Well, it's you know, if your lead, your lead problem

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Speaker 14: coming undone and the memes and the ads that we

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Speaker 14: as well.

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Speaker 2: Just twenty seconds left, I'll leave you with the last word, Terry.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's going to be another debate this one?

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Speaker 2: And what about the Taylor Swift endorsement?

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Speaker 15: Well, I wouldn't be surprised for about another debate, but

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Speaker 15: I think Harris would be foolish to do it. Frankly,

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Speaker 15: she's gotten everything from the format she needs to do. Finally,

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Speaker 15: you know what you've got is you've got the summer

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Speaker 15: I think that's going to be a part of a

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Speaker 15: her by undecided voters.

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