Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
Speaker 1: war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep
Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys like Ted Lambs and now your hosts. Brian
Speaker 1: brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, Dane Bruvler, Jeff Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. Don't you just love hearing
Speaker 1: all of those names back to back to back to back.
Speaker 1: Eighty six combined years of draft coverage within seven panelists
Speaker 1: that you just heard for the twenty twenty twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one Cowboys Draft Show. It's one hundred and forty six
Speaker 1: days out, but we're talking some Cowboys draft. Welcome in
Speaker 1: to the first episode of the twenty twenty one Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's driving the bus this year
Speaker 1: as I did last year. But man, I am a
Speaker 1: privileged to be a part of such a talented group
Speaker 1: of panelists and we're starting things off with the right way.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that by welcoming back. Mister Brian brought
Speaker 1: us back to the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Bracton Draft Show.
Speaker 1: You see David Helmet up in the top right hand corner.
Speaker 1: Then we've got Bucky Brooks also making his return. But Brian,
Speaker 1: first off, glad to have you back full time here
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show. It's a privilege for me. Somebody
Speaker 1: who's listening to you for years, has gotten to work
Speaker 1: with you a little bit. But now hey, you're back,
Speaker 1: and you're back for good. Well, thank you, and it's
Speaker 1: great to be back with you guys. The Draft Show
Speaker 1: is such a big part of what my career has been,
Speaker 1: you know, the years of scouting and then now in media,
Speaker 1: and I'm probably more known for the Draft Show than
Speaker 1: i am anything else. So it's great to be with
Speaker 1: you guys, and excited about the opportunity to start this journey.
Speaker 1: It's really it's exciting because I mean, Dave, you and
Speaker 1: I went through this journey last year and what was
Speaker 1: a crazy twenty twenty draft process. It gets even crazier
Speaker 1: now that it's twenty twenty one. But I know you
Speaker 1: and I have had these conversations before, but it's just
Speaker 1: not the same without Brian, and now that he's back,
Speaker 1: we get an opportunity to add not only Brian but
Speaker 1: Dane back into the full Dame Brugler will join us
Speaker 1: later on Bucky Brooks as well, and I couldn't be
Speaker 1: more excited. I know you're pumped about it, though I
Speaker 1: don't know what's crazier, you know, doing like you know,
Speaker 1: the pandemic hit in the middle of it last year,
Speaker 1: so you kind of had to adapt on the fly.
Speaker 1: But now we're just doing the whole thing pandemic style.
Speaker 1: We're starting in December, which, like we've always joked about it,
Speaker 1: but we're actually doing it, which is kind of insane.
Speaker 1: But I love it. And yeah, I got my guy
Speaker 1: double be back on the show, so I couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1: Actually two double bees because Bucky's along for the ride
Speaker 1: this time too. I mean, I'm I'm beside myself. I'm pumped.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. Bucky. How you've been down there and
Speaker 1: you're in the bottom right hand corner. But hey, we
Speaker 1: are glad to have you back. We had you on
Speaker 1: for the Senior Bowl last year, a little bit for
Speaker 1: the Combine as well. Glad to have you full time
Speaker 1: on the Draft Show this year. Yeah, I'm really excited.
Speaker 1: And since we're Thorne Verbibal case that Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: I would like to go back and talk about him
Speaker 1: because he's one of the guys that really started me
Speaker 1: on my journey as a scout. The conversations we used
Speaker 1: to have back in Green Bay when I was a
Speaker 1: player and he was working in the front office kind
Speaker 1: of started my thirst forward the personnel side. So it
Speaker 1: really is back. I'm really glad to be on this
Speaker 1: show with him because he really played a big part
Speaker 1: in why I decided to go the personnel rout. Well, guys,
Speaker 1: I could just retire now, so I see it. It's
Speaker 1: been great to be with everybody. You guys got this
Speaker 1: thing handled. Kyle, you do great. David, you're really good. Listen, Buckie,
Speaker 1: I couldn't have touched any better. So you guys have
Speaker 1: a good time. Now. Hey, now that we spent the
Speaker 1: last five minutes kissing your butt, I'll just throw in
Speaker 1: your line about being a failed scout and yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go back to the regular super Bowl. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: you go. That's one way to end that conversation from
Speaker 1: by flashing that super Bowl, right. But I had no idea.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you guys were back in Green
Speaker 1: Bay together, and now you're on the show together. I
Speaker 1: like that fold of things. So talk about that relationship
Speaker 1: a little bit, Brian, and how you guys met in
Speaker 1: terms of you and Bucky and how that kind of blossomed,
Speaker 1: like Bucky just talked about, Yeah, Bucky has always had
Speaker 1: a really when he was playing for US and we
Speaker 1: got him out of North Carolina, and when he was
Speaker 1: playing for US, Bucky always had a really good eye
Speaker 1: for evaluating other players. And so I would always talk
Speaker 1: to Bucky about players in the ACC, and Bucky had
Speaker 1: a really good thought about these guys and who could
Speaker 1: be a really good player and who to look at,
Speaker 1: who not to look at, and he just really kind
Speaker 1: of took a natural liking to it. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: was I was really pleased to help him along that way,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad he was able to to make it work.
Speaker 1: That's fun. I like that. Yeah, Bucky, go for it now.
Speaker 1: I was saying. It was really cool because those conversations,
Speaker 1: and I remember distinctly the conversations centered around Drey Bligh
Speaker 1: and Robert Williams and Brian Simmons and that crew, because
Speaker 1: the crew that when I left behind in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: they were really really talented and Vonnie Holiday, who we
Speaker 1: ended up drafting in Green Bay was one of those guys,
Speaker 1: and so just having those conversations and Brian being willing
Speaker 1: to just kind of share insights on the business, it
Speaker 1: really made me think about it. And another one of
Speaker 1: his co workers, John Snyder, actually gave me my start.
Speaker 1: So a lot of my scouting career centers from my
Speaker 1: time in Green Bay and the things that I learned
Speaker 1: from them, and also Ron Wolf, and so I'm really
Speaker 1: really thankful for all of those experiences. That's awesome along
Speaker 1: the way. It's crazy how many people meet and how
Speaker 1: small the scouting world in the NFL world really is
Speaker 1: whenever you get down to it. And I'm decided to
Speaker 1: be along with the ride with you guys, and of
Speaker 1: course helmet up here. But I kind of want to
Speaker 1: explain this really quickly for all those draft fans out there.
Speaker 1: This is how this is going to work. This four
Speaker 1: right here, it will be on once a week throughout
Speaker 1: the entirety of the draft process, whenever the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: out of contention for the playoffs, So once a week
Speaker 1: you will get this four. There's another four myself along
Speaker 1: with Katie, Jeff Cavanaugh, and then the great Dane Brugler,
Speaker 1: will be another four set, another tandem per se that
Speaker 1: will be on once a week once the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: eliminated from playoff contention. Until that point, it'll be alternating.
Speaker 1: It'll be one show a week from the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: and it'll alternate between these two groups back and forth
Speaker 1: between the Elder Statesmen as I like to call it
Speaker 1: as who were it with right here with Brian and
Speaker 1: Bucky and Dave in terms of the three most experienced
Speaker 1: out of the seven total panelists, and then we've got
Speaker 1: the Young Buck and then the Young Buck group with
Speaker 1: Katie and Jeff Cavanaugh and Dane Brugler. They will join
Speaker 1: us at about eleven forty five and that's when we'll
Speaker 1: kick off their side of the show. So seven panelists
Speaker 1: throughout the Draft Show season full time. I'm pumped about this.
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton lots of credit for pulling together really an
Speaker 1: all star cast. But let's get into this, shall we.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about one of the craziest draft processes that
Speaker 1: will ever be in the NFL. I mean, you talk
Speaker 1: about the twenty twenty draft process. Crazy from just missing
Speaker 1: a couple pro days here and there and not having
Speaker 1: that entire look at players the virtual meetings instead of
Speaker 1: the thirty day guys. And now you go into twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one and it's a huge question. But Brian, we're
Speaker 1: gonna start with you. What is the biggest challenge for
Speaker 1: front offices in a year like this where really everything
Speaker 1: is up in the air. Yeah, there are a lot
Speaker 1: of challenges and it's been very difficult on scouts. And
Speaker 1: I know that book. He's talked a lot of his
Speaker 1: guys around the league and much like myself, and these
Speaker 1: guys aren't getting to go to these schools and generally
Speaker 1: from the end of August through say Christmas the first
Speaker 1: the year, they're going to these schools and talking to
Speaker 1: these football ops guys, the coaches, the trainers, the scout
Speaker 1: anybody they could talk to that to kind of talk
Speaker 1: about these players or learn about these players. And that's
Speaker 1: really what's difficult for him right now because what they're
Speaker 1: doing is they're sitting at home and they're just grinding tape.
Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with just grinding tape. We all appreciate to
Speaker 1: be able to evaluate these players, but that there's interactions
Speaker 1: you have with those those schools. That's how you're able
Speaker 1: to build that file on these players. And they don't
Speaker 1: have that right now. There's a lot of calls, zoom calls, whatever,
Speaker 1: but those face to face meetings are really when you
Speaker 1: get the full evaluation of what that player is. You
Speaker 1: trust your eyes to see what he is as a player.
Speaker 1: But these, these these men and women that are with
Speaker 1: them every day are the ones that really fill in
Speaker 1: the gaps for you. Bucky. Yeah, you know it's oh sorry,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Buck. No, No, I think I think b
Speaker 1: hits it the nail on the head because so much
Speaker 1: of what you do on the school call is not
Speaker 1: necessarily just watching tape of meeting everyone around the building.
Speaker 1: And what happens is, over time you've been going to
Speaker 1: the school years and years on end, you have a
Speaker 1: trusted confident that you can get the scoop on a player.
Speaker 1: And so when the liaison may be giving you kind
Speaker 1: of like the blanket statement and assessment, there's someone else
Speaker 1: that you can go to to really get the goods
Speaker 1: on who a player is football character wise and then
Speaker 1: really his real character. And so it is difficult now
Speaker 1: that you're not able to go and get around those players,
Speaker 1: those people, and you're also not able to watch these
Speaker 1: guys on the practice field, because a lot of what
Speaker 1: you do is you evaluate how they are with their teammates,
Speaker 1: how they are in line, Are they first in drills,
Speaker 1: are they last indrials? Are their high effort guy when
Speaker 1: it comes to practice, or do they just kind of
Speaker 1: dog it. You need all of that information because you
Speaker 1: want to bring that back when you're building the profile.
Speaker 1: So when you do make the presentation to the decision makers,
Speaker 1: they know exactly what they're bringing into the building. I
Speaker 1: was I was just gonna throw in there real quick,
Speaker 1: which Brian, you know this working at the Star for
Speaker 1: as long as you did. The scouting office is fifty
Speaker 1: feet away from where we work, and so I mean
Speaker 1: you get you get to know these guys pretty well.
Speaker 1: And during this season, i've you know, you reach out
Speaker 1: to these guys to see how it's going, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the answer as well. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: the NFL is always going to find a way to
Speaker 1: work around it, but you just pay attention to the nudes.
Speaker 1: You know. Some schools aren't even letting scouts sit in
Speaker 1: the press box to watch games, you know, just in
Speaker 1: the interest of limiting the number of people to the there,
Speaker 1: so you can't go on a school call. You like,
Speaker 1: you can't get face to face time with the players
Speaker 1: or the coaches that coach them. You can't even like
Speaker 1: watch the game live depending on the school. It's obviously
Speaker 1: not every school, but some of them. And I just
Speaker 1: I do not envy these guys who are tasked with
Speaker 1: basically like you have to put together a portfolio on
Speaker 1: every player in your area, and I just don't know
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to do that other than watching tape,
Speaker 1: which that yeah, like Brian said, that's great, but it's
Speaker 1: it's just one piece of the puzzle, and it seems
Speaker 1: like these guys don't have the other pieces. So I
Speaker 1: would be stressed if I was a scout, I guess,
Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. Do you think, and
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back to what Bucky
Speaker 1: just talked about in terms of seeing practices as well,
Speaker 1: do you think there is a workaround kind of how
Speaker 1: Dave was even mentioning of these NFL scouts trying to
Speaker 1: find a way to watch practice. You got to put
Speaker 1: together the full pieces to the puzzle, and the early
Speaker 1: pieces are those practice times with your collegiate school. So
Speaker 1: I just want to know if there's any way that
Speaker 1: you know, maybe teams are combating that that lack of
Speaker 1: practice film or how they're actually watching some of those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that maybe what we'll see though, is and
Speaker 1: maybe the top players you could do this with. Maybe
Speaker 1: if these teams go to bowl games. If we do
Speaker 1: have the bowl games, it sounds like they're going to
Speaker 1: try to have them. Now, maybe you could go to
Speaker 1: areas where you're not on a campus, but you're on
Speaker 1: a property, Say you're at the in Orlando, at the
Speaker 1: Citrus Bowl or something like that, and you're watching teams
Speaker 1: practice and maybe teams. Teams might even have to work
Speaker 1: with each other on this too, about what they saw
Speaker 1: and things like that. You know, scouts are good about
Speaker 1: sharing information. Your teams don't always want you to do it,
Speaker 1: but scouts really do have each other's backs when it
Speaker 1: comes to some of the stuff. But I have a
Speaker 1: feeling that if we get to a bowl game situation
Speaker 1: or playoff situation, that maybe you'll be able to see
Speaker 1: some scouts attend those practices and kind of get a
Speaker 1: little bit of an idea if their guys are there,
Speaker 1: if their guys are even there playing, we might have
Speaker 1: some guys opt out if they're not in those major games,
Speaker 1: but at least that might give you a little bit
Speaker 1: of a look. You know Bryan's point. I think this
Speaker 1: is where your relationship with video coordinator as schools could
Speaker 1: come in and play the years that you love donuts
Speaker 1: and T shirts and hats and those things. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can convince them to send you some snippets and some
Speaker 1: clips of the warmer portion of practice or just of
Speaker 1: the drills. I think you have to be very very
Speaker 1: sourceful doing this that in this part of what scouts
Speaker 1: are tasked with, UM kind of find a way to
Speaker 1: figure it out, and so your relationships will really play
Speaker 1: a big part in your ability to maybe get some
Speaker 1: form of practice footage so you can look and evaluate
Speaker 1: how they interact with the teammates, so how they move
Speaker 1: around on the turf. David, I mean, I think they've
Speaker 1: covered it pretty well. I'd like, again, I'm stressed out
Speaker 1: by by the incomplete picture that you're going to have
Speaker 1: of these guys. I'm ore. You know, I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring this to the show. I know we're you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about you know, it's we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the opt outs. But I can't help but notice
Speaker 1: our colleague Dane, who's going to be here in a
Speaker 1: half hour. I believe he mocked Caleb Varley, the Virginia
Speaker 1: Tech cornerback to the Cowboys, that dude hasn't played a
Speaker 1: snaff all year, and that that freaks me out. I'm sure,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a hell of a player. I have
Speaker 1: a full disclosure. I haven't watched his twenty nineteen tape.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's pretty good, but that's a long time
Speaker 1: to not be getting reps, and not only you know,
Speaker 1: not only game reps, but as an opt out, he's
Speaker 1: not he's not practicing, he's not with his program, he's
Speaker 1: not doing that every day. So have fun projecting what
Speaker 1: that that's supposed to be. It freaks me out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why you take Patrick certain it is what you do.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, we got it up. Show over. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to talk. I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk trash on a guy that opts out because I
Speaker 1: completely understand the boat that he's in. Ye, but if
Speaker 1: you're give if you're telling me that you know, if
Speaker 1: the tags are touching, Brian, if the tags are touching
Speaker 1: or if they're even remotely close, to give me the
Speaker 1: guy that spent the year playing football over the guy
Speaker 1: that didn't. I mean, am I crazy for thinking that way?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. UM. I think Kevin Colbert has
Speaker 1: talked about this for the Stealers. He said that, as
Speaker 1: Brian would talk about, if the tags are touching, if
Speaker 1: it's close, the ties want to go to the guy
Speaker 1: that you saw play most recently, because you know exactly
Speaker 1: what you're getting. The guy has been tucked away, working
Speaker 1: in the shadows. The unknown scares you, and a lot
Speaker 1: about the draft is mitigating and minimizing griss, and what
Speaker 1: you don't know is scary. So I would rather even
Speaker 1: if it's a slightly lesser player. But I've seen him,
Speaker 1: and I know exactly what I'm getting. I'm more likely
Speaker 1: to league on that player than the player that has
Speaker 1: completely disappeared for two hundred sixty five days and I
Speaker 1: have no idea what he's done throughout the process. Well,
Speaker 1: and even you talk about the notables, you talk about
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Micah Parsons, kayleb Farley, who Dave just mentioned
Speaker 1: Pinnay solely, even a guy who's mocked right now in
Speaker 1: the top three overall picks at offensive tackle out of Oregon.
Speaker 1: Those are four guys, and that's just a scratch of
Speaker 1: the surface in terms of all of the opt outs
Speaker 1: if you want to go down the list of first
Speaker 1: round talents. But there's a lot of guys that you
Speaker 1: don't see feet on the ground in terms of what
Speaker 1: they're doing in twenty twenty. Guys like that kind of
Speaker 1: scare me too. I'm right there with you. But Brian,
Speaker 1: from a front office standpoint, is it is it something
Speaker 1: that they're really having to dive into the film or
Speaker 1: is this conversations that need to be had with that
Speaker 1: player in order for them to not be scared by
Speaker 1: these opt outs? Yeah, that's I mean, I think that
Speaker 1: Bucky painted a picture for you about your relationships that
Speaker 1: you have with with the with the coaches, the members
Speaker 1: of the the you know, the staff there at these colleges.
Speaker 1: You know, if you really trust a guy and sometimes
Speaker 1: these guys, if you have that relationship, he could paint
Speaker 1: a picture or she could paint a picture for you
Speaker 1: of this player. Is reminds me of this guy, or
Speaker 1: he reminds me of this guy, And you could kind
Speaker 1: of then in your mind say Okay, I've seen this
Speaker 1: guy play before, and that's really how Jerry Jones operates
Speaker 1: there in that in that war room. You tell Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: this player reminds me of somebody he's already seen that
Speaker 1: clicks something in his head. So I know for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: that's the way it's gonna work. But yeah, you have
Speaker 1: to be able to have a relationship and trust that
Speaker 1: that person is telling you that. Hey, Will, this kid
Speaker 1: wasn't with us. Saw him every day in our weight room,
Speaker 1: saw him every day around the building. He's a hard
Speaker 1: working kid. I mean, you just got to trust a
Speaker 1: lot of people that are going to give you the
Speaker 1: right information so you can make this important decision. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so important to have those relationships, and it will
Speaker 1: extend beyond just the guys on the school call. I
Speaker 1: think now with the explosion of the boutique training and
Speaker 1: where guys are going to work out, your ability to
Speaker 1: know some of these private trainers and to have real
Speaker 1: open and honest discussions with these guys. Hey, is this
Speaker 1: guy really a worker? If the workout starts at eight o'clock,
Speaker 1: what time is he showing up? Is he walking right
Speaker 1: in at eight o'clock is he walking in an hour
Speaker 1: before those things? Trying to assess how hard has he
Speaker 1: been working, what does he look like physically? Can you
Speaker 1: send me some stuff? Can I FaceTime and just kind
Speaker 1: of watch him work out and move? I mean, now
Speaker 1: more than ever, you're going to have to be so
Speaker 1: resourceful when it comes to trying to get the information
Speaker 1: as it relates to the opt outs. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to hopefully, if you've been working in an area, you've
Speaker 1: been tracking these guys since their freshman year. So when
Speaker 1: I would go to LSU and Jamal Adams was there
Speaker 1: because I knew it from high school, he would consistently
Speaker 1: tell me, Hey, what about this guy? What about that guy?
Speaker 1: What do you think? And as they grow through it,
Speaker 1: you now have a feel for how this guy is
Speaker 1: and how he's worked, and so you have a maybe
Speaker 1: a longer resume, but it's still a very I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a difficult challenge, and without being able to go
Speaker 1: one on one with these guys, it's very, very difficult
Speaker 1: to make a decision of what you really liked them.
Speaker 1: Bookie makes another really good point here, and I won't
Speaker 1: say that very often because we're gonna argue about players
Speaker 1: here one of these days. So I'm gonna get my
Speaker 1: niceties and what I can do. But I think I
Speaker 1: think that where book he makes a point he talks
Speaker 1: about the workouts, these personal trainers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That might be another avenue for scouts to go see
Speaker 1: these players actually work out. You know, that might be
Speaker 1: some of these some of these places might welcome you
Speaker 1: in at four or five teams at a time. Hey,
Speaker 1: come watch our workouts. We'll set up some drills. We'll
Speaker 1: let you watch him do three cones and pedal drills
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So that might be a way
Speaker 1: for the scouts to kind of get around some of
Speaker 1: these be able to put eyes on these players and
Speaker 1: how they're moving around to match it with their tape. Davis,
Speaker 1: that's just where I Oh, sorry, Kyle, you go for it.
Speaker 1: I just now thought of this. I didn't do this
Speaker 1: on purpose, but I see our guy, see my man,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow behind me on my set here, And I
Speaker 1: mean I'm not just bringing him up because he's the best,
Speaker 1: but I mean it's an interesting case. You think back
Speaker 1: to last year, Like if Joe Burrow doesn't have a
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season, or an incomplete twenty nineteen season, he's
Speaker 1: he's probably a Day three draft pick. He goes number
Speaker 1: one overall instead. So on the flip side, you know,
Speaker 1: we know about Michael Parsons, we know about you know,
Speaker 1: we know about Jamar Chase. We know about these guys.
Speaker 1: What about what about the Joe Burrows who are fringe
Speaker 1: guys or Day three guys who like you could be like,
Speaker 1: is this a draft where you could see way more
Speaker 1: diamonds in the rough because there are so many players
Speaker 1: that maybe haven't had a chance to make that jump,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you could be drafting
Speaker 1: a guy in the fourth round who would have been
Speaker 1: a second or first round pick in a different year.
Speaker 1: Am I crazy for thinking that? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. I don't think so. I mean I I
Speaker 1: think I think it's tough, and I think there's always
Speaker 1: a little randomness too. When guys are picked, particularly on
Speaker 1: the third day, things impact why they drafted. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a surplus at a position that moves a guy down.
Speaker 1: Sometimes there's injuries, Sometimes there's character stuff that we don't
Speaker 1: know about on the on the on the side, but
Speaker 1: I think this year, more than others They're going to
Speaker 1: be some guys that kind of fall but gold the line,
Speaker 1: just because you just don't have enough information on them
Speaker 1: in terms of tape. We haven't seen him at the
Speaker 1: All Star Game. We haven't put our eyes on him
Speaker 1: enough to say, you know what, I feel good about him.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give him this grate because I've seen
Speaker 1: enough that I'll stand on the table for him. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think some of those guys will fall to little line.
Speaker 1: I think there's some general managers that are going to
Speaker 1: run these drafts and put these boards together where the
Speaker 1: scout they're going to have to trust their scout. They're
Speaker 1: really going to have to trust their their scouts ability
Speaker 1: that they general managers know which scouts can really dig.
Speaker 1: And there's some teams out there, guys, and you know,
Speaker 1: Bucky and I have fortunately came from a team where
Speaker 1: you know, as a scout, you put your you put
Speaker 1: your name on it because you evaluated the tape and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But there's some teams that have guys
Speaker 1: that just go out and gather information, you know, and
Speaker 1: then somebody else makes the call on whether to set
Speaker 1: the board or not, or how to set the board,
Speaker 1: and so that could be a little bit difficult because
Speaker 1: if you're a scouting department that's based on information gatherers,
Speaker 1: you're going to be in a little bit of a
Speaker 1: bind now when it comes to that, because now you're
Speaker 1: really you're not going to have enough eyes on these players,
Speaker 1: and it's up to these general managers. And if I'm
Speaker 1: an owner, I'm looking at my general managers saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you gut on this guy? What's you're feeling
Speaker 1: on this guy? You know? And I think that's where
Speaker 1: owners need to be a little bit more understanding. But
Speaker 1: we'll see how it all plays out. I think there
Speaker 1: will be a separation in teams, and Brian and I
Speaker 1: have talked about this and nauseum. There's a difference between
Speaker 1: the teams that have really evaluators and teams that have
Speaker 1: information gatherers on their scouting staffs. And what you will
Speaker 1: see in these drafts like we saw last year's draft
Speaker 1: and this year's draft, those teams will separate themselves from
Speaker 1: the others because they have guys that understand exactly what
Speaker 1: they're looking for. They can look at the tape, that
Speaker 1: can make solid assessments, and they can project actually more
Speaker 1: times than not power players going to play at the
Speaker 1: next level. Those guys, those teams was shine in this process.
Speaker 1: This pandemic won't bother them all because they're confident that
Speaker 1: they have enough guys that can evaluate exactly what players
Speaker 1: are when they look at the team Lucky. Where do
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys fall into that category? Well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I think they're an evaluation team. I think
Speaker 1: with Will Clay and those guys like I think they
Speaker 1: do a women play. They do a really good job
Speaker 1: of looking at players and being able to project it.
Speaker 1: The only thing that I've ever had an issue with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys has been their tendency to kind of go
Speaker 1: towards the small school guy as opposed to the big
Speaker 1: school guy. They used to be a big thing for
Speaker 1: them the lower rounds. It was all small school directional
Speaker 1: schools that were coming in, and I'm more towards give
Speaker 1: me big school. I've seen them playing big games. I
Speaker 1: knew exactly what they are. They may not be the best,
Speaker 1: but at least I know from a floor standpoint where
Speaker 1: there are I'm more likely to gamble on what a
Speaker 1: guy's how floor is as opposed to he he could
Speaker 1: be his selling as this so that's the thing. It's changed,
Speaker 1: but it used to be the Cowboys were into the
Speaker 1: smaller schools. Yeah, I agree with Bucky on that. I
Speaker 1: think the thing with the Cowboys, the way I would
Speaker 1: evaluate them, is that you've got some guys. You've got
Speaker 1: some crusty guys like me that have been out there
Speaker 1: on the road for a while. You know, guys like Bucky.
Speaker 1: You know, not that Bucky's pull, but he's been out
Speaker 1: there on the road and seeing all this. So what
Speaker 1: you have is those those crusty guys though, I mean,
Speaker 1: they know, they know they have to go out there,
Speaker 1: they know they have to look at the tape, they
Speaker 1: know they have to make a call. The one thing
Speaker 1: the Cowboys do is, and I don't know if every
Speaker 1: team does this, but the Cowboys are assigned positions to
Speaker 1: evaluate his cross checkers. So, for example, you know you
Speaker 1: might have a scout Drew fe a Beionage, which is
Speaker 1: a national scout. He might do the linebackers, and he
Speaker 1: might have to be responsible not only for all the
Speaker 1: national players. He covers the whole area, but then he
Speaker 1: has to cover the linebackers as well. So what you're
Speaker 1: doing is you're basically saying Okay, I trust you as
Speaker 1: a national scout to handle this. I also trust you
Speaker 1: to tell me what the best linebackers are in this draft.
Speaker 1: So if you're responsibly like that on your scouts, you're
Speaker 1: trusting them to be able to make the evaluations and
Speaker 1: to build off that too. Pull's favorite line. He's got
Speaker 1: a few favorite lines. He loves to be boring in interviews,
Speaker 1: but will loves to talk about. He basically tells his
Speaker 1: scouts that you are the general manager of your area.
Speaker 1: So whatever you know, whether you're Midwest, SEC territory, West Coast, whatever,
Speaker 1: you evaluate all that and you stack them and and
Speaker 1: that your input is going to weigh heavily. Obviously they
Speaker 1: don't make the call at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: but we expect you to firmly evaluate and be confident
Speaker 1: what you think of the guys in your area. And
Speaker 1: so I mean, I think that's you know, it's evaluation
Speaker 1: all the way for the Cowboys. Based on what we've
Speaker 1: gleaned from what they say about their process, it certainly
Speaker 1: seems like they trust their guys from the top down.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this guy, Stephen Jones, will make
Speaker 1: you uncomfortable a meeting. He really will, I mean, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 1: You do not just throw stuff up against the wall
Speaker 1: and hope it sticks and hope that nobody checks your work.
Speaker 1: Because somebody to your right or your left has probably
Speaker 1: checked your work. But that guy's sitting in that chair
Speaker 1: will say, well, wait, yesterday you told me this, today
Speaker 1: you're telling me this. So there's a lot of things,
Speaker 1: a lot of that. You have to have that back
Speaker 1: and forth right there in order to set your board
Speaker 1: the right way. That accountability, that communication is huge this year.
Speaker 1: Go for it, bucket right. No, it is really really true, Dave.
Speaker 1: You talked about being a general manager of your area.
Speaker 1: As an area scout, your responsibility is to know everybody
Speaker 1: in your area, to know him front and back, and
Speaker 1: to not only know who's coming out this year, but
Speaker 1: I need you to know who's coming out in future years. Right,
Speaker 1: Because if you have been in your area for a while,
Speaker 1: you've been going to those schools, you've developed relationships, you're
Speaker 1: very aware of who are the top recruiting guys that
Speaker 1: are coming in, and you're just monitoring those guys along
Speaker 1: the way. And so as you stay entrance and as
Speaker 1: you kind of build those relationships, you should know him,
Speaker 1: and you should be able to confidently talk about guys
Speaker 1: in this class and in future classes, and to be
Speaker 1: able to make comparisons, solid comparisons, give me visualizations on
Speaker 1: who this guy is, who does he compare to that
Speaker 1: we saw him out recently, to be able to talk
Speaker 1: about all those things. And you have to do the
Speaker 1: work because if you don't do the work, it shows up,
Speaker 1: because over time, it really shows up in the meetings
Speaker 1: who really knows their area and who really knows those
Speaker 1: players see And I think I love that whenever you
Speaker 1: talk about kind of the pre scouting that has to
Speaker 1: go on for this class, specifically twenty twenty one, it's
Speaker 1: gonna matter more than it ever has in the past.
Speaker 1: It's having those scouting looks from earlier seasons and knowing
Speaker 1: how guys it performed. And you guys talked about kind
Speaker 1: of the behind the scenes. Dave talked about how it
Speaker 1: scares them not seeing guys on the field in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: It's going to be tricky. But the better you are
Speaker 1: at pre scouting some of these players in these prospects
Speaker 1: coming out of the draft, the more success you're gonna
Speaker 1: have Whenever April comes around in April twenty nine hits
Speaker 1: the calendar. It's going to be a tricky draft no
Speaker 1: matter what, but it also makes it a little extra
Speaker 1: tricky for the Dallas Cowboys. We're gonna step aside and
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Speaker 1: Is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. It's the
Speaker 1: second segment of an extra long first episode of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft Show. Glad you're with us.
Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's Bucky Brooks, David Hellman, and the triumphant return
Speaker 1: of Brian brought us to the Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: Draft Show. Glad all three of you guys are with us,
Speaker 1: and man, you talk about experience among these guys. I mean, Brian,
Speaker 1: you've covered it since nineteen ninety two covering the draft,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks since two thousand and one, and David Hellman
Speaker 1: with seven years. This is only year two of me
Speaker 1: doing it professionally. So I'm just learning along the way.
Speaker 1: I learned a lot in that first segment already, and
Speaker 1: so I'm excited about this. But out of all of
Speaker 1: those years, don't lump me in with the other two
Speaker 1: like don't like professional professional scouts who have actually been
Speaker 1: more rooms. Yeah, don't lump me in with I'm just
Speaker 1: happy to be here. That's kind of I feel like
Speaker 1: that's kind of how we all are. We're glad to
Speaker 1: have you, David. We're glad to have you. Man. So
Speaker 1: even through all of those years that I just kind
Speaker 1: of talked about, and throughout the seven total there are
Speaker 1: eighty six combined years, there's not going to be a
Speaker 1: single year out of those years that is as crazy
Speaker 1: as this one. Specifically about the storylines around the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: You talk about Trevor Lawrence tanking for Trevor Sunshine right
Speaker 1: up at the top of the draft. He's the consensus
Speaker 1: number one overall pick, seemingly on his way to the Jets.
Speaker 1: But there's been a bit of controversy around the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys quarterback as well, and that's Dak Prescott, no contract
Speaker 1: done at the moment. So who wants to go first
Speaker 1: on this one? Who wants to break the seal for
Speaker 1: the draft show this season? In terms of finding a
Speaker 1: way to to to address this quarterback issue. Should you
Speaker 1: draft a quarterback because there's plenty of them at the
Speaker 1: top of the draft or has Dak Prescott your long
Speaker 1: term answer and he's going to take up a big
Speaker 1: piece of that salary cap? Pie, I mean, do y'all
Speaker 1: want me to do? This? Is Dave? Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1: You worked for the team. Yeah, all right. I'll actually
Speaker 1: I'll I'll stray a little bit and I'll just say this.
Speaker 1: This is you know, we talk about what do we say?
Speaker 1: Investigate and educate, Right, that's our That's been our tagline. Um.
Speaker 1: If Dak Prescott is fully healthy and is recovered well
Speaker 1: from his injury, then I think this conversation is acidine.
Speaker 1: But that's something that the Cowboys need to really get
Speaker 1: a firm handle on. Um. You know, everything we've heard
Speaker 1: is that he's doing great and he's ahead of schedule.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to I do not want to,
Speaker 1: like suggest asked or create rumors that that's not true.
Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe that. But the Cowboys
Speaker 1: need to make extra sure that that's the case, that
Speaker 1: they feel one hundred percent confident that he will be
Speaker 1: able to play quarterback at a high level when he
Speaker 1: is recovered. Um. And if if that's true, then that
Speaker 1: this is dumb And I don't want to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but you know, you get to you get to March,
Speaker 1: and maybe you don't feel good about it. Then I
Speaker 1: think the conversation changes. I have no reason to believe
Speaker 1: that right now, but it's on the Cowboys to do
Speaker 1: their due diligence and make sure they're confident in Dak's health.
Speaker 1: That's that's how I feel. Right you want to go
Speaker 1: next or so much hesitation, I go ahead, take it back.
Speaker 1: I can take it. So I think I think the
Speaker 1: conversations are. I think it's two different conversations. I think
Speaker 1: the Deck evaluation is different than what the draft is.
Speaker 1: Eventually you have to blt them together. I think what
Speaker 1: you have to do with Deck is you have to
Speaker 1: compare Deck to a couple of different quarterbacks. So as classmates,
Speaker 1: Carson Winson, Jared Golf, where does Dak Prescott stack up
Speaker 1: with those guys? Right now? If you go to LA
Speaker 1: where I'm where I'm at in Philadelphia, they're not pleased
Speaker 1: with their quarterbacks, but their quarterback contract is an albatross
Speaker 1: around the franchise because you're talking about thirty two to
Speaker 1: thirty million dollars annually. Now, if you go the next
Speaker 1: draft class and you think about Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 1: Where does Dak Prescott fit. Is he more in the
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson Pat Mahomes category or is he more in
Speaker 1: the Jared Golf Carson Wentz category. Because if you feel
Speaker 1: like he's Deshaun Watson and the numbers would say that
Speaker 1: he's more in that ring, well then you pay you
Speaker 1: pay him and you move on and you build a
Speaker 1: team around him. But if you have any hesitancy, we've
Speaker 1: seen that championship teams are built with a rookie quarterback
Speaker 1: or a quarterback only Ricky Deal and all of the
Speaker 1: supporting pieces, and so a lot of it depends on
Speaker 1: how do you view number four? Bucky? Are you trying
Speaker 1: to fire Dak? That's what I unds like. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not trying to I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: fire Dak. But I think it's a conversation. I say this.
Speaker 1: I think this year has been the best thing for
Speaker 1: him in terms of the evaluation, because for so long
Speaker 1: everyone was like he's propped up by everything around him.
Speaker 1: Well now we've seen him removed and the house of
Speaker 1: cards are falling down, and so I think that has
Speaker 1: helped in terms of he's a franchise quarterback who can
Speaker 1: play at a high level. He's put up big numbers,
Speaker 1: and then when you look at his draft Mace Carson Wentzon,
Speaker 1: Jared Golf. If we were playing in the park today
Speaker 1: we had to pick one of those, I'm picking Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott all day over those guys, and so I think
Speaker 1: he's been he's benefited from that. So I would say, yes,
Speaker 1: I would want to pay him. But now that we've
Speaker 1: reached a point where we're talking about franchise tags and
Speaker 1: forty plus million dollars, you just have to be certain.
Speaker 1: Are you fine with the money being tied up in
Speaker 1: Dak Zeke and Amari Cooper and Ken we win with
Speaker 1: these guys comprising our big three? Yeah? I think that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he both makes some excellent points here.
Speaker 1: I will say this though, about the whole Dak's situation
Speaker 1: to me is you know, two years ago, I blame
Speaker 1: the Cowboys for not getting this done in a timely manner.
Speaker 1: And the reason why the Philadelphia Eagles signed Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: to a contract extension because they were worried that at
Speaker 1: that time that Dak Prescott was going to get forty
Speaker 1: million dollars from the Dallas Cowboys. So all now, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Eagles are looking at their situation like, well,
Speaker 1: we're stuck with this quarterback right now, that's not playing
Speaker 1: very well. I think that to me, though, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: two years ago, yes, should have got this done right now.
Speaker 1: I think this is more about what's going on with
Speaker 1: Todd France, the agent. I think this is more about
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. You know, Stephen Jones has come on our
Speaker 1: show in one oh five three and talked about he
Speaker 1: is surprised that he's not able to get this deal done.
Speaker 1: And so with that being said, I feel like though
Speaker 1: that to me, that's a little bit more on the agent.
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see how things play out. Now. Now,
Speaker 1: if we get to the start of the league year,
Speaker 1: the new league year, whether it's March twelfth or seventeenth,
Speaker 1: something like that, and you know they're going to start
Speaker 1: on this journey of getting a scene if they could
Speaker 1: get this guy signed, If they don't have him signed
Speaker 1: by the time you're getting to the draft, when we're
Speaker 1: into April to into April first of May, I am
Speaker 1: looking at a quarterback with my top pick. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't trust that things are going to be any different,
Speaker 1: that something magically is going to happen. You know, this
Speaker 1: has to get done early. And if it doesn't get
Speaker 1: done early, the Dallas Cowboys are in this quarterback market
Speaker 1: as far as evaluating one of these guys at the
Speaker 1: top of that board, because I don't think you could
Speaker 1: go any further, you know, and just say, oh, we're
Speaker 1: gonna be okay, we'll get it done. Now. You haven't
Speaker 1: got it done for two years now, whether that's your
Speaker 1: fault or whether that's the agent's fault. But if there's
Speaker 1: no progress in March and excuse me, March April, then
Speaker 1: I am definitely looking at a quarterback. You can. You
Speaker 1: can all those quarterbacks and linebackers and defensive ends. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't look at you. I got to find me
Speaker 1: a quarterback, maybe at the top of this board. Hey, Brian,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it depends on where the
Speaker 1: Cowboys finished, because if you finish in what I call
Speaker 1: the high cotton, if you're picked one or two, I think,
Speaker 1: regardless of what happens with Dak, I think the quarterback
Speaker 1: has to be in play because I think there's a
Speaker 1: separation between Lawrence and Fields and some of the rest
Speaker 1: of the guys. So if you're if you look if
Speaker 1: they finished number two, I think the quarterback has to
Speaker 1: be in played regardless. You can franchise Dak for another
Speaker 1: year and then move on. Now, if you're outside of that,
Speaker 1: then I think it becomes a dicier situation because the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you're talking about, I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: in the same they're in the same conversation as those
Speaker 1: other two guys, and we were talking about like franchise
Speaker 1: guys expected to be able to do it from day one.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bucky, there's a real there's a real
Speaker 1: mahomes looking guy out there in Provo, Utah. I'm just saying, oh, look,
Speaker 1: I like I like, I like Zach Wilson, and I
Speaker 1: think Zach Wilson is a dude. However, I don't And
Speaker 1: I've talked to people now because it's funny because like
Speaker 1: this conversation that Trevor Lawrence, Justin Fields Zach Wilson trade
Speaker 1: lance conversation is interesting because everybody that you call had
Speaker 1: these guys are stacked in different orders. The assistant is
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence is typically the number one guy, but two
Speaker 1: through four it is flipped all over the plater champending
Speaker 1: on what you like and whatever, and so it is
Speaker 1: very very interesting. I'll say I'm a little jaded. Having
Speaker 1: known Trevor and Justin since they were in high school.
Speaker 1: I think they're closer than most people give them credit for.
Speaker 1: I think it'd be interesting to see how this plays out,
Speaker 1: particularly when Trevor gets in the playoff, because last year
Speaker 1: in the playoff he didn't play well against Ohio State
Speaker 1: and Clipson versus pressure. I just would like to kind
Speaker 1: of see him clean that up as we go for
Speaker 1: before I annoyed him the next coming. So this is
Speaker 1: this is a I'm sorry, Kyle, but Brian took. It
Speaker 1: took one one episode for you to tilt me on
Speaker 1: my head here because I came into this and I
Speaker 1: still I think Dak should be the quarterback of the future.
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes sense. I think it's way
Speaker 1: more likely that he achieves the success you're looking for
Speaker 1: than gambling on a guy that's never played pro football.
Speaker 1: But it's an interesting point that if a deal can't
Speaker 1: get done by the draft, you can't tag him again. Like,
Speaker 1: you cannot tag him in twenty twenty two. It would
Speaker 1: be astronomically, I mean theoretically you could, but it would
Speaker 1: be absolutely crippling. And there's no guarantee you get him
Speaker 1: locked up beyond that. So that's a really interesting point
Speaker 1: that if Dak does not have a long term deal
Speaker 1: by April, you're running the risk of passing on a
Speaker 1: quarterback and not having any long term security with your
Speaker 1: current quarterback. And that's a hell of a dilemma. And
Speaker 1: I'll say it again, I think Dak Prescott should be
Speaker 1: the long term quarterback of this team. But it's awfully
Speaker 1: scary to think that you could have a shot at
Speaker 1: one of these guys and not take him with no
Speaker 1: guarantee whatsoever that Dak will be here beyond the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one season. That is, that is a hell of
Speaker 1: a dilemma, and I hope the Cowboys act with some
Speaker 1: urgency when they can talk to Dac again. That seems like, well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna tag him. They're gonna tag him, and if
Speaker 1: you can't get a deal done, now I'm looking at
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I'm looking at a quarterback needy team. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at somebody in the middle. There's plenty of teams,
Speaker 1: the Colts, the Bears, There's all these quarterback needy teams Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: There's teams that probably you could trade Dak Prescott too
Speaker 1: and get a one four. You know, I'm not. I
Speaker 1: Am not going to sit there and let him hold
Speaker 1: me up though he but I will say this, I
Speaker 1: think Dak Prescott is the one that's gonna have to
Speaker 1: drive this deal. He's gonna have to be the one
Speaker 1: that tells Todd France, let's sign, let's get this done.
Speaker 1: And once that happens, then you could focus on everything
Speaker 1: else you need for this draft. Yeah, Bryan, I think
Speaker 1: it's interesting because the leverage flips, right, It's flipped a
Speaker 1: few times with the tag. It went from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to then it went to Dak side. But then the
Speaker 1: injury I think kind of brings a realization to number four, like,
Speaker 1: hey man, I need to get this money, I need
Speaker 1: to get this done. However, I think it's smart business
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys to know that we have all
Speaker 1: the leverage, we have all the vehicles to use it.
Speaker 1: We can franchise and still draft a quarterback and then
Speaker 1: make whatever decision that we need to make going on.
Speaker 1: We talked about quarterback being the most important position in football.
Speaker 1: You can never have enough of them, and so if
Speaker 1: you have those assets, then you do with them what
Speaker 1: you need to do. But I think this is one
Speaker 1: where the Cowboys have to go into it thinking about
Speaker 1: the quarterback first and foremost, regardless of whether you get
Speaker 1: done initially, I think the quarterback has to be the
Speaker 1: emphasis because it can bring back so many different things.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you this. I know we'll get into
Speaker 1: this next show. There are some defensive players at the
Speaker 1: top of that board that scare me to death. You know,
Speaker 1: if you start talking about picking, you start picking guys
Speaker 1: at four or five and six. Yeah. I don't know
Speaker 1: how comfortable I am doing that right now, but you
Speaker 1: feel better about like a downer, But I've never been
Speaker 1: less excited about which it's so early. We don't know
Speaker 1: this for t right as it sits. Right now, I
Speaker 1: am not excited about my options outside of the top
Speaker 1: like three or four players. Yeah, I mean, maybe hopefully
Speaker 1: we can shed some light on some guys that we're
Speaker 1: not talking about yet. But it's a scary It's a
Speaker 1: scary year to be in the top ten. It's very
Speaker 1: front heavy. It is a scary year that, yeah, scare
Speaker 1: you to be up at the top. I think what
Speaker 1: would be interesting will be if you get the quarterback done.
Speaker 1: Then I think the offensive tackle conversation comes into play,
Speaker 1: because as much as we may love tom Ron Smith,
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider taking an offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: especially based on what we've seen play out this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think them wouldnever you have to pour the resources
Speaker 1: into the offensive line. And I think when I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what that that's Bucky. Bucky's right on. Yeah, Whenever
Speaker 1: you're talking about this quarterback situation, that's really the question
Speaker 1: that you're asking is whether or not you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: whether whether or not you're going to take a bigger
Speaker 1: risk on filling a team around Dak or if you're
Speaker 1: going to take a risk on not having Dak on
Speaker 1: the field. Those are the two things. That's the decision
Speaker 1: that you have to make. And with that being said,
Speaker 1: it also makes it sound like you're a quarterback away.
Speaker 1: Are we really that sure that this Cowboys team is
Speaker 1: a quarterback away from being contenders? Because, like you talked
Speaker 1: about about the offensive line, this season hasn't necessarily built
Speaker 1: any confidence in terms of the roster that has set
Speaker 1: around the quarterbacks. Bucky, No, but I think what you
Speaker 1: do is you reset the clock when you take a
Speaker 1: young quarterback. So when you take a young quarterback at
Speaker 1: the top of the board, it gives you a five
Speaker 1: year run to build up that championship team because there's
Speaker 1: cost control and cost certainty with a quarterback on a
Speaker 1: rookie deal. You now know, Okay, I got the quarterback
Speaker 1: in place, and if he is what we think he's
Speaker 1: going to be, less through all assi up the offensive line,
Speaker 1: make sure we have enough playmakers, let's look at the defense,
Speaker 1: and let's see if he can kind of steady carry
Speaker 1: it the first three years until he pops and takes
Speaker 1: it over. I think that's why you look at a
Speaker 1: quarterback just from a cost effects and effecting this standpoint,
Speaker 1: su're going to be interesting whenever it comes to the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and what decision they make at the quarterback spot,
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Speaker 1: I don't think guys can hear me? I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think we're back here on the Dallas Cowboys Draft
Speaker 1: Show trying to figure some things out whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to connecting Jeff Cavanaugh to the group, as he is
Speaker 1: down in the bottom left hand corner. But we will
Speaker 1: get Jeff here in a moment. But Dane and Kevin,
Speaker 1: can you guys hear me? Katie and Dane Brugler, you
Speaker 1: guys both got me right there? We go perfect, Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's go ahead and introduce those guys. So we
Speaker 1: just got rid of David Hellman, Bucky Brooks and Brian
Speaker 1: brought us. That's the first half of the Draft show.
Speaker 1: Here's the second half. We've got Dane Brugler from the Athletic.
Speaker 1: We've got Kevin kat Turner. As always, he returns for
Speaker 1: his what what year would this be of you on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show? This is your third year? Maybe I
Speaker 1: think this is your three for me three, So I'm
Speaker 1: honored to be back. We're bigger than bigger and better
Speaker 1: than ever this year. It's really exciting. How about that, Dane?
Speaker 1: Is this true? What is this fourth fifth year on
Speaker 1: the Draft Show? No more than that? I mean six, seven,
Speaker 1: six or seven? I mean, yeah, we were part of
Speaker 1: the original crew back and when we started thirteen, I
Speaker 1: can't remember. It's been a while, goodness, and Jeff still
Speaker 1: trying to figure things out. It's his headset, I think
Speaker 1: at the moment. But well, we're gonna get into quite
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and we just kind of went
Speaker 1: through the generics whenever it came to the first part
Speaker 1: of this Draft Show and talking with Brian and Bucky
Speaker 1: and Dave. But I kind of want to get into
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty and Dane, I know you're probably like
Speaker 1: six hundred or seven hundred players deep already, and you're
Speaker 1: scouting of the college football season just right around right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not to a thousand yet, but you're
Speaker 1: getting there. So we're gonna get into really the depth
Speaker 1: of this draft where we're going to be in terms
Speaker 1: of picking both ways and whether we're trading up or
Speaker 1: trading down. I want to hear from Captain trade down
Speaker 1: himself in just a couple of moments. But first off, Dane,
Speaker 1: whenever you're looking at the Cowboys need, where is some
Speaker 1: of the depth in this draft and where are they
Speaker 1: going to ultimately find some of the value. Whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to the later parts of it, well, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a draft where I don't know that it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's one of those drafts where it's not
Speaker 1: great to be picking top ten unless you need a quarterback.
Speaker 1: But this is a very deep draft throughout the first
Speaker 1: round into Day two. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: talent at the offensive tackle position, cornerback, pass rusher, wide receiver,
Speaker 1: so a few of those positions I think will be
Speaker 1: a particular interest to the Cowboys. It's just what are
Speaker 1: they gonna do if they end up with a top
Speaker 1: five pick. That's where it gets really interesting. A tradeback
Speaker 1: makes a ton of sense, and in this draft having
Speaker 1: quarterback having to be a top heavy quarterback group, that
Speaker 1: might be a good thing because I don't believe they're
Speaker 1: taking a quarterback some Cowboys fans believe that's possibility. I
Speaker 1: still think that Dak Prescott's just got too big of
Speaker 1: a place in Jerry Jones heart. I just don't see
Speaker 1: it happening. But having a top heavy quarterback class could
Speaker 1: be a good thing if we want to trade back
Speaker 1: and maybe get some more value, gets more draft capital. Katie,
Speaker 1: are you on that boat as well where a trade
Speaker 1: down makes sense at this point? Yeah? You know. The
Speaker 1: thing that makes me kind of uncomfortable when we start
Speaker 1: talking about trading down is just the idea of like
Speaker 1: guaranteeing that the phone rings. And I also get really
Speaker 1: uncomfortable as a guy who loves the draft. Sure, you
Speaker 1: want a better draft pick that goes without saying, but
Speaker 1: I'm a competitive person who you know, gets mad if
Speaker 1: I don't win monopoly, right, So I want to win games.
Speaker 1: So like I understand, like I still want to go
Speaker 1: win the division, and I understand like a lot of
Speaker 1: Cowboy fans are like, dude, just lose out get the
Speaker 1: number four pick. You study a little closer, and you
Speaker 1: said I might be more passionate about them picking at
Speaker 1: thirty five and thirty six instead of fifty. Yeah, than
Speaker 1: I am about them picking at four nineteen, I might
Speaker 1: feel better about that player at thirty five and thirty
Speaker 1: six instead of fifty in comparison to what they're picking
Speaker 1: at number four or five compared to nineteen. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of kind of where I always get, realm, I
Speaker 1: always kind of get get caught in the middle here
Speaker 1: around this time of year, when you are in a
Speaker 1: situation where it's like we could win the division, but
Speaker 1: we could just lose out. It makes sense. The only
Speaker 1: the only way I would be fully one percent on
Speaker 1: board with Team Tank is if you didn't have a quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's where I think it would make sense. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much it makes sense this year, but
Speaker 1: I'm a guy who wants to win, So I said it.
Speaker 1: If that makes me a bad guy, winning divisions makes
Speaker 1: me a bad guy, I'm okay with it. Well that's
Speaker 1: kind of the that's the dilemma that every Cowboys fan
Speaker 1: is on right now. And I believe we've got the
Speaker 1: captain trade down. The one and only Team Tank leader
Speaker 1: on the bottom left hand corner, Jeff, are you back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm here, rude captain trade down? Right? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were what was that? Well,
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear, but I heard kat there at the end.
Speaker 1: So let me just let me just say, oh, no,
Speaker 1: am I in bad shake. Now we've got you. We
Speaker 1: can hear you. Oh you're just maybe I can hear you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Katy should be worried that I'm coming after him. Um.
Speaker 1: The problem is I can tell you that I'm having
Speaker 1: trouble hearing Jeff. But for those who are who are listening,
Speaker 1: Jeff got an incredible bookshelf, but he does have a
Speaker 1: great background as well, and he is having trouble. We
Speaker 1: are having trouble hearing hearing Jeff. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: So this, since this is the first show, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: explain this really quickly, and this is a peak behind
Speaker 1: the curtain. And so Katie and Dane, you're listening through
Speaker 1: Jeff in something that's not on air. I'm listening through
Speaker 1: Jeff on air, and I can hear Jeff just kind
Speaker 1: of very faintly in the background. So continue Jeff, and
Speaker 1: I'll kind of relay that information while we deal with
Speaker 1: some of these technical difficulties. Okay, now I don't hear
Speaker 1: Jeff at all, all right, So we're gonna move on
Speaker 1: and see if we can get at Jeff back up
Speaker 1: and running. I don't know what's going on with him,
Speaker 1: but whenever you're talking about trading down and trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on with this this Cowboys team, Dane.
Speaker 1: You you you put out a mock draft in your
Speaker 1: first mock draft. We're gonna get that in coupled moments.
Speaker 1: But did you at any point think during your your
Speaker 1: your look down these draft picks and whoever you ended
Speaker 1: up going with with the Cowboys, which was Caleb Farley
Speaker 1: at the fourth overall pick, did you at one point
Speaker 1: say this is definitely a spot where they would trade down.
Speaker 1: Whenever it's Trevor Lawrence off the board and Pinney Soool
Speaker 1: off the board. I don't think there's exact spot. You
Speaker 1: have to keep an open mind because you know it's
Speaker 1: not like you can really pick who calls you to
Speaker 1: trade up, and you know you're looking at some teams
Speaker 1: in the early teens right now. Of course we don't
Speaker 1: know the exact draft order, but you're talking about Chicago Bears. Uh.
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers, New England Patriots. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Atlanta, with Carolina, there are
Speaker 1: plenty of teams this year that could realistically go up
Speaker 1: for a quarterback, so you know, and you don't really
Speaker 1: have the luxury of picking who's gonna call, who's gonna
Speaker 1: have the best offer, So I think you have to
Speaker 1: have you have to keep it open mind. I think
Speaker 1: they could be in a situation where they could trade
Speaker 1: back and get the second best tackle, which in my opinions,
Speaker 1: where Seawan Slater out of Northwestern. He's a terrific talent
Speaker 1: who opted out this season, but I think he's a
Speaker 1: left tackle in the league, even though he's gonna get
Speaker 1: killed because it doesn't have the exact length that you want.
Speaker 1: You could trade back, and like I said, this is
Speaker 1: a pretty decent cornerback group J C. Horne out of
Speaker 1: South Carolina, Darien Kendrick at a Clemson if you wanted
Speaker 1: to go the cornerback route. They are in a position
Speaker 1: where they could trade back, and I still think they'd
Speaker 1: be an excellent situation, regardless if it's trade back to
Speaker 1: nine or trade back to fourteen. So with these guys
Speaker 1: that you're mentioning here, Dane, I mean, of course, whenever
Speaker 1: it comes to the overall prospect. Sure that you're gonna
Speaker 1: be fine, no matter if you're through nine to eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 1: Even if you win the division, you would be at nineteen.
Speaker 1: But Katie, you're talking about winning the division. If you're
Speaker 1: looking at draft picks, wouldn't you rather have options than
Speaker 1: maybe even just winning the division and picking in the
Speaker 1: late teens early twenties. Yeah, give me, no, give me
Speaker 1: the options. So look again, if everything's equal, I want
Speaker 1: the higher draft pick, of course, right But I just
Speaker 1: think realistically, the way this thing's going with a Bengals
Speaker 1: team next week on the schedule, and you're gonna play
Speaker 1: the Giants and the Eagles down the stretch, teams that
Speaker 1: you can beat, even though things do look super cloudy
Speaker 1: right now for the Cowboys, you can beat those teams.
Speaker 1: I just think it's realistic. I think right now we're
Speaker 1: talking about a team could be picking fourth or nineteenth,
Speaker 1: and we're talking about trade doowns. They can be picking tenth.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, I don't know how well this team is.
Speaker 1: This team gonna go compete against the Bengals, They're gonna
Speaker 1: beat the Bengals if they go compete to their highest
Speaker 1: level against the Bengals, They're gonna move up a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think probably the most realistic possibility is winning a
Speaker 1: game or two and not winning the division and you're
Speaker 1: kind of stuck there at nine or eight or ten
Speaker 1: or whatever. But more than anything, look, you got all
Speaker 1: this time you're running through these players. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: taking deep dives at these players, Senior Bowl Comby. There's
Speaker 1: so there's a long distance to go here. The number
Speaker 1: of options for this team, it's really it's really good.
Speaker 1: Like that's that's a great thing they have. And if negotiating,
Speaker 1: you know, is something that they want to do. You know,
Speaker 1: there's so much that has to play out with Dak
Speaker 1: when you start looking out there, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: that has to play out. So like the options are there.
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that is like a known
Speaker 1: thing because there's I do think you have this big
Speaker 1: question mark in terms of options and what direction you go.
Speaker 1: One thing that we all know is that the defense
Speaker 1: needs help. Ye and hey, I'm a guy who needs
Speaker 1: to help this offensive line. I support helping out the
Speaker 1: offensive line, especially when you're not getting out of that
Speaker 1: Zeke contract. Zeke's gonna need open holes to run through.
Speaker 1: That's not going away. He's on your roster next year.
Speaker 1: I want to help that offense out, but that offensive
Speaker 1: line out. But but defense is where the focus goes.
Speaker 1: And I know for me, you know, watching these players,
Speaker 1: my focus is immediately grabating towards the cornerbacks and kind
Speaker 1: of really focusing in on that and things like that
Speaker 1: early on. But you know, as we've branched out and
Speaker 1: move forward, you sit there and go man at offensive
Speaker 1: line depth, offensive tackle depth is really interesting. I do
Speaker 1: I have to take Pennay soool if he's there at four? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think you do. I think there's enough names
Speaker 1: now where if I'm picking at thirty seventh in the
Speaker 1: second round, maybe I can get a tackle there. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of tackles that go in the
Speaker 1: first round. It'll be interesting as we continue to watch
Speaker 1: film and soaking this information, where does the cutoff go
Speaker 1: to where you're comfortable? Is like is this guy in
Speaker 1: this tier as this guy in this tier. That's where
Speaker 1: I think that the draft gets really interesting. Is that
Speaker 1: debate that the Cowboys are going to have internally, like
Speaker 1: at what point do they attack the offensive line? Because
Speaker 1: I don't know how they feel about Tyrn moving forward,
Speaker 1: contracts on the books or whatever, but I think we
Speaker 1: know what happens when Tyron's out. So they're gonna have
Speaker 1: these really big, heated internal debates. And that's part of
Speaker 1: what makes it fun, is you know, Bounce, I've been
Speaker 1: watching film with Jeff and broad Us and sometimes with
Speaker 1: Dane for all these years, and the most fun part
Speaker 1: of it is disagreeing on players and not for the
Speaker 1: sake of argument, just for the sake of more perspectives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so that's what kind of makes it makes
Speaker 1: it fun. And we're here man draft season, that's rock It'
Speaker 1: it fantastic. I mean, you talk about different perspectives, We've
Speaker 1: got seven different perspectives on the panel. Throughout the course
Speaker 1: of this show and into the spring and the draft process.
Speaker 1: We're gonna step aside. We're gonna see if we can
Speaker 1: get our seventh perspective and Jeff cavanall hooked up and
Speaker 1: ready to go. We're gonna come back. When we come back, though,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about Danes mock draft. Trevor Lawrence goes
Speaker 1: number one, but who what's the second quarterback? Take it?
Speaker 1: And was it one of the names that's not justin fields.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that next when we return on the
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Speaker 1: Huge credit to Chris Beam in the back trying to
Speaker 1: figure everything out on the run. And really what was
Speaker 1: a crazy transition between the first half of the show
Speaker 1: and the second half of the show. But now that
Speaker 1: everybody's here, Dane Brugler, Jeff Capitall, Kevin, Katy Turner, Kyle
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Speaker 1: Draft Show. Jeff, how you doing, man? I think I'm here?
Speaker 1: Am I here? Yeah? Am I here on the show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You're on the show. It sounds Chris good. Chris is
Speaker 1: a monster. I'm the worst, but I'm happy to be here. Hi, guys,
Speaker 1: did you guys enjoy your first segment? It was good, man,
Speaker 1: It was good guessing what books you had behind you
Speaker 1: and your snow globe and the chaos running through your
Speaker 1: brain as I was talking about winning the division and
Speaker 1: I know that's the last you want us to do. Oh,
Speaker 1: we'll see. But that's the thing here. Now. People get
Speaker 1: the wrong idea about Team Tank Captain trade Down. People
Speaker 1: get the wrong idea about it. Team Tank is just
Speaker 1: my preferred result to games. You can't ask your players
Speaker 1: not to try. You can't ask your coaches not to
Speaker 1: try because they get fired. So look, they're supposed to
Speaker 1: try their best. I just hope that they come up
Speaker 1: short in every game that they played this year because
Speaker 1: I think it's best for the long term future. Because
Speaker 1: I want to hold the top five pick while a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of teams that are picking in the teams
Speaker 1: are desperate for a quarterback. Captain trade Down and Team
Speaker 1: Tank are best friends. You just can't get the wrong
Speaker 1: idea about what tank means. It's just what I'm pulling for,
Speaker 1: not what they should actively try to do. So you
Speaker 1: want Team Tank to happen so that Captain trade Down
Speaker 1: has more options. That's what I'm hearing at this point, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Captain trade doown just wants to ride, you know, because
Speaker 1: this is a year where where I don't I don't
Speaker 1: want to make a pick in the top five if
Speaker 1: Piney souls off the board because the Cowboys aren't picking
Speaker 1: a quarterback. I don't trust any of the corners. I
Speaker 1: don't trust any of the pass rushers. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to pick for the pick's sake. I want to
Speaker 1: pick because Chicago tamp all these teams that are gonna
Speaker 1: be picking between ten and sixteen, they might want to
Speaker 1: dance with you. And so now my goal is to
Speaker 1: get this team's first pick into the teams. And so look,
Speaker 1: if that happens because they win the division, so be it.
Speaker 1: You'll pick the best player there. But if it happens
Speaker 1: because somebody comes calling for a better pick that you
Speaker 1: get to trade down from, well now we're partying because
Speaker 1: now I'm picking one of the edges in the teams
Speaker 1: or one of the corners, and the teams. Then at
Speaker 1: the top of the second and in the middle or
Speaker 1: back of the second, you're picking an edge or a
Speaker 1: corner and a safety. I'm just trying to find a
Speaker 1: bunch of dudes in the top fifty to seventy five picks.
Speaker 1: That's the goal, and losing helps you get more of them.
Speaker 1: Lots of darts for the dartboard. That's one thing that
Speaker 1: I remember you saying last year over and over again,
Speaker 1: and it always stuck with me, and I feel like
Speaker 1: this year it matters even more. With the craziness of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one draft and the whole process. I think
Speaker 1: having more of those darts to throw at the dark
Speaker 1: border going to ultimately help you out a ton. And
Speaker 1: that's why, honestly, I'm right there with you. I'm riding
Speaker 1: alongside Captain trade Down. I'm on the horse as well
Speaker 1: in terms of trading down at that point. And Dane
Speaker 1: even kind of made me feel better about it earlier
Speaker 1: whenever he was talking about the options that were there
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. But Dane, I want to go deeper
Speaker 1: into your mock draft. Mock Draft one point zero on
Speaker 1: the Athletic you can go check it out. Dane always
Speaker 1: does fantastic work on there, and this is something that
Speaker 1: I kind of want to dissect from the top down.
Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to the first round mock. You went
Speaker 1: through all thirty two teams, but it started with Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence at the top of the draft. No surprise, he's,
Speaker 1: like I said, at the top of the show, the
Speaker 1: consensus number one pick. But where it kind of got
Speaker 1: interesting for me was with that second quarterback taken the
Speaker 1: number two overall pick. Did Jacksonville was not just in fields?
Speaker 1: It was instead mister Zack Wilson. Why did you go
Speaker 1: with Wilson there? Dane Wilson's been fantastic this year. I
Speaker 1: think if you're looking at today's NFL and what teams
Speaker 1: are looking for, you look at you look at Zach Wilson,
Speaker 1: and he fits the bill. The mobility, the ability to
Speaker 1: throw off platform inside of structure, outside of structure. He's
Speaker 1: a naturally accurate quarterback, and obviously all thirty two teams
Speaker 1: you're looking for that. I think the main point I
Speaker 1: want readers to come away with from that mock draft
Speaker 1: is not that Zack Wilson's absolutely the number two quarterback
Speaker 1: in this draft. He will be drafted second. That's not
Speaker 1: the case. What I do want readers to and listeners
Speaker 1: to come away with is there's no consensus with this
Speaker 1: quarterback class. After Lawrence. It's hard to find many that
Speaker 1: don't think Lawrence is number one. But after Lawrence, you've
Speaker 1: got Zack Wilson. Justin fields Trey Lance. Those three quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are duking it out for two, three, and four in
Speaker 1: this quarter about class. So there's no consensus. Do not
Speaker 1: be surprised if you know one of those guys, even
Speaker 1: like a trail Lance where to go that high. It's possible.
Speaker 1: So let's keep an open mind to the quarterback order.
Speaker 1: And if you're the Cowboys and you're picking top five
Speaker 1: and you don't get Penna Suel, that could be a
Speaker 1: good thing. And I after watching some Fields, some Wilson,
Speaker 1: some lances, say I feel the same way, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know yet, and I'm like blocking out my Saturday, Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we got the Ohio State game. Let's watch fields. Let's
Speaker 1: focus in. Thank god, you know BYU and Coast Coastal
Speaker 1: Carolina were able to make that work, because that's gonna
Speaker 1: be exciting to watch. If it's you hate to see
Speaker 1: it happen for these reasons with Liberty not being able
Speaker 1: to play, but like, can't wait for that game. I
Speaker 1: never thought that I would say I can't wait to
Speaker 1: see Coastal Carolina play. You know, when I watched that Wilson,
Speaker 1: I get hypnotized by the offense. That is a fun
Speaker 1: offense at BYU runs, I have to sit there and
Speaker 1: go out. That is incredible. I get the vibes. And
Speaker 1: it's not his fault that sometimes he's playing with his
Speaker 1: food a little bit. And we kind of saw that
Speaker 1: from Trevor Lawrence. I think in year two a little bit,
Speaker 1: I felt like he was kind of playing with his
Speaker 1: food a little bit. Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: have a yellow ball into double coverage here because I
Speaker 1: can and I'm okay, it's it's all gonna work out.
Speaker 1: So I can't wait to watch these guys tomorrow. As
Speaker 1: we continue to go forward. Trey Lance is the difficult
Speaker 1: one because I mean, you got ten games or fifteen
Speaker 1: games or whatever it is, that's it. You got a
Speaker 1: handful of games and figure it out. And that's gonna
Speaker 1: take a little more gumption I think to just roll
Speaker 1: to go ahead and take Trey Lance at number two.
Speaker 1: But new GM coming to Jacksonville, so Lord knows what
Speaker 1: they're gonna be thinking and whatever happens with that organization.
Speaker 1: But I love the fact that here we are in
Speaker 1: December and still going. All right, we get these games
Speaker 1: that matter at here. When it comes to evaluating these quarterbacks, Jeff,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the quarterfalls Carolina Quick Coastal Carolina.
Speaker 1: They're a top fifteen ranked defense. So even though I
Speaker 1: know on the surface, BYU at Coastal doesn't really sound
Speaker 1: that exciting, but it's a chance to see Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: against a top fifteen ranked defense. Coastal's got some defensive
Speaker 1: dudes on that team, so it is worth checking out.
Speaker 1: I can promise you scouts to be glued on that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. But the quarterbacks, the most important thing, at
Speaker 1: least from the Cowboys perspective, is a couple of different things.
Speaker 1: And the first one would be technically here quarterbacks not
Speaker 1: under contract. Right, So if the Cowboys had a high
Speaker 1: up pick and they fell in love with the prospect,
Speaker 1: could that actually mean something for this organization? I think not.
Speaker 1: I think they're going to get a dat Prescott deal
Speaker 1: done and he's going to be the guy. But the
Speaker 1: idea that different organizations are valuing these guys in a
Speaker 1: different order, I think is also a great thing for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys because it makes your pick more and more
Speaker 1: valuable because you don't know which team that may not
Speaker 1: have a shout at these guys. And maybe this is
Speaker 1: a question for Dane. Where as I'm drawing it out
Speaker 1: in my head, at least with what the draft order
Speaker 1: would be today, I think one and two would absolutely
Speaker 1: be quarterbacks, right. I think three, where Burrow is absolutely
Speaker 1: not a quarterback. I don't have the order for me,
Speaker 1: but Washington at eight, I would think definitely quarterback, and
Speaker 1: I'm missing one before them where Carolina and Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so if four are going to go in the
Speaker 1: top eight, it makes your pick really important to teams
Speaker 1: and the teams If if the guy who doesn't go
Speaker 1: in the top two is somebody's guy that is picking
Speaker 1: down there and needs a quarterback, that's that's what you want.
Speaker 1: You want to see four of these guys go in
Speaker 1: the top eight or be on pace to go in
Speaker 1: the top eight, because it makes it a race to
Speaker 1: get in front of Washington right now in theory, So
Speaker 1: I guess that would be My question is when I
Speaker 1: go through and I look at all these teams and
Speaker 1: I say, need a quarterback, eat a quarterback, need quarterback,
Speaker 1: needing a quarterback? Are any of these teams going to
Speaker 1: skip over that? And could a team that's sitting at
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen have the fourth guys sitting there for then? Well, specifically,
Speaker 1: when you can't rule that out, go for it. Dane,
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing that we have to
Speaker 1: pay attention to here is if you're the Cowboys fan,
Speaker 1: you want justin Herbert to keep tearing it up. You
Speaker 1: want to keep tearing it up because the perception of
Speaker 1: these top five, top six quarterbacks playing in the NFL
Speaker 1: right now, that matters to NFL teams that are looking
Speaker 1: for a quarterback and could be something that you know,
Speaker 1: creeps into their perception of this upcoming quarterback class, saying, wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: Herbert came in, did this two, was doing this Burrow
Speaker 1: before he was injured, was doing this. Okay, let's go
Speaker 1: up and get our quarterback and see if he can
Speaker 1: do that. And so, I mean, I think you're right, Jeff.
Speaker 1: It's you like to see these quarterback needy teams lining up,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, those are the teams in the
Speaker 1: top eight. But like you referenced early, you've got the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, You've got the Bears, you've got the Patriots,
Speaker 1: You've got several other teams that are just outside that
Speaker 1: toppy who could potentially make a move. So it's it's
Speaker 1: a good year to be picking in the top five
Speaker 1: if you need a quarterback, but it could also be
Speaker 1: a good year if you have your quarterback and you
Speaker 1: could be looking to pick up some draft capitals. So
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's gonna be the conversation that
Speaker 1: dominates the draft talk between now in April, so specifically,
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to your mock draft, you had Caleb
Speaker 1: Farley going to the Cowboys at pick number four, while
Speaker 1: Justin Fields was still on the table and Trey Lance
Speaker 1: was there as well, if we want to talk about
Speaker 1: all four of those quarterbacks. So in that very specific moment,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could have taken a quarterback if they really
Speaker 1: wanted to, if Justin Fields is their guy, and of
Speaker 1: course if Dak Prescott has not signed, like we kind
Speaker 1: of talked about in the early part of the show,
Speaker 1: But why not Justin Fields if you're the Cowboys? And
Speaker 1: why is Justin Fields a little bit for the down?
Speaker 1: Is it just because of the play of Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: or is it because he's maybe had a little bit
Speaker 1: of a step back. Well, I mean he is coming
Speaker 1: off the worst game of his you know, two year
Speaker 1: college career against Indiana. He threw three picks, but he
Speaker 1: also had three touchdowns in that game, three hundred yards
Speaker 1: passing and o'house date got the w. So it's he's
Speaker 1: not falling necessarily, It's more about Zach Wilson and what
Speaker 1: I talked about before, how there's just so many there's
Speaker 1: no consensus of these quarterbacks. And there's some teams. I
Speaker 1: literally talked to scouts with teams that say, Zach Wilson's
Speaker 1: their guy, He's special, that's the guy we want now.
Speaker 1: But it's still early. You know, these teams haven't had
Speaker 1: a chance to sit down with these quarterbacks and really
Speaker 1: delve into Okay, what do they know? What don't they
Speaker 1: know when we put up the tape. Do they understand
Speaker 1: what defense are looking at? Do they understand the protections?
Speaker 1: There's still a lot these teams need to figure out.
Speaker 1: So it's it's still very early. But and I didn't
Speaker 1: do any trades. It's important to point that out too.
Speaker 1: With this mock draft. So you're going talking to the
Speaker 1: first two picks quarterbacks, the Bengals at number three, Penney Sewell,
Speaker 1: it just makes too much sense there at number four,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, if Penney Sewell is available, I don't think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys passed. I think that's their pick. But if
Speaker 1: they're sitting there at four and the top two quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are off the board plus Penney Sewell, what direction are
Speaker 1: they going I just don't see them going after a quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, Dak Prescott is to me, I agree with Jeff,
Speaker 1: he's the guy. He's They're going to figure out a way.
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones has too much love for Dak Prescott to
Speaker 1: you know, buy into the potential of one of these quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: So you know you had to go in a different direction.
Speaker 1: And that's where it gets a little tricky. Can I
Speaker 1: add on to that? Because what I would say at
Speaker 1: four is and Caleb Farley, I do think, having studied
Speaker 1: his tape, I think the potential is there for him
Speaker 1: to be the best corner in this class. I don't
Speaker 1: know that he is today, but the traits are there
Speaker 1: for him to be an absolute lockdown stud. So I
Speaker 1: get what teams will love. But if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and I know everybody's gonna kill me for this, but
Speaker 1: I mean this. If you're the Cowboys and the fourth
Speaker 1: best player on your board is Jamar Chase and you're
Speaker 1: not sold on the corners, do you owe it to
Speaker 1: you don't you're laughing me? Do you owe it to
Speaker 1: yourself to pick the best? It's a half decade pick.
Speaker 1: It is not a pick for what you need today.
Speaker 1: It's a half decade pick. So if you felt infinitely
Speaker 1: better and you were stuck at four, then Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: is a star and the corners, well they have upside.
Speaker 1: Don't You owe it to yourself to make that pick
Speaker 1: and then figure out what to do with your receiving
Speaker 1: corps to get picks back, whether it's moving a guy whatever.
Speaker 1: Can you surpass a guy that you think is the
Speaker 1: better player for position of need with a top five pick?
Speaker 1: This is I don't think I can, because part of
Speaker 1: that is the depth of the wide receiver class will
Speaker 1: be good again, so that's part of it, and I
Speaker 1: think you have to consider that. I like what you're
Speaker 1: doing though. I like how you just come in and
Speaker 1: money up the waters like that. Actually enjoy this. It's
Speaker 1: team fifty Burger. That's what Jeff's ditt too. You don't
Speaker 1: have to keep them. All I'm saying is that if
Speaker 1: you're making a pick for a half decade and you
Speaker 1: intentionally take a worst player, yeah you're insane. You're talking
Speaker 1: about the best player available. You want to make sure
Speaker 1: that the best player is in your possession. Especially when
Speaker 1: Dane mocked Jamar Chase going to Philadelphia and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to play him for five years. Whenever it
Speaker 1: comes to in ANFC east of vision rival, well, you're
Speaker 1: just saying, take the best player available, no matter the position.
Speaker 1: Stick with that sort of drafting mentality. Then you take
Speaker 1: your running back there. Then you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: that's how you get in these situations. And by the way,
Speaker 1: if your team fifty Burger, then your defense is team
Speaker 1: sixty Burger in that case. So like, look, let's be real, though,
Speaker 1: do we really think the Cowboys would do that? Do
Speaker 1: we really think they would take a receiver at for
Speaker 1: I just can't see it happening. So I love out
Speaker 1: of the box thinking when it comes to the draft,
Speaker 1: but realistically, just can see the Kyle Boys doing it.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. It makes it tough at
Speaker 1: number four when you're sitting there. I think the three
Speaker 1: best non quarterbacks that I've studied so far in this
Speaker 1: draft Penney Sewell, Jamar Chase, and Kyle Pitts. I think
Speaker 1: those are the three most just the best talents in
Speaker 1: his class. But after Penney Sewell, I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: think they'd take Jamar Chase and I don't think they
Speaker 1: would take Kyle Pitts. I mean, I just and Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts honestly when I was I'm kind of getting us
Speaker 1: off track here. But Kyle Pitts is a very interesting
Speaker 1: prospect to talk about because he's just a different breed
Speaker 1: of pass catcher. He's not your hand in the ground
Speaker 1: going to dominate the point of attack tight end. He's
Speaker 1: more of that hybrid move tight end version. But he's
Speaker 1: a cheat code. I mean, he is an impact player
Speaker 1: that can really add a different element to your offense.
Speaker 1: But he's not gonna not everyone's gonna be one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on board with taking a player like that that early.
Speaker 1: So figuring out where Kyle Pitts falls in this draft.
Speaker 1: He could go top five or he could go top fifteen.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to figure him out. Should we
Speaker 1: have a realistic conversation about Kyle Pitts though, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: right now, you've got Jarwin, You've got Dalton Shoultz. You've
Speaker 1: got these guys a tight end, but neither one of
Speaker 1: those are game changers. I mean, we know that from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys perspective. Neither one of those guys are going
Speaker 1: to really win you a ton of games on their own.
Speaker 1: But Kyle Pitts certainly could. Are we gonna call Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts a tight end? Are we gonna do that? We could?
Speaker 1: I mean you try, yeah, I mean end, who did
Speaker 1: you know? I mean, I think he is a tight end.
Speaker 1: But he's he's a pass catching tight end. I mean
Speaker 1: he can yeah, you could put he could put his
Speaker 1: hand in the ground. He's a getting the way blocker.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna move the point of attack. He's he
Speaker 1: could do it enough where he can be, you know,
Speaker 1: getting the way and at least keep guys occupied. But
Speaker 1: you know, you just have to use him in the
Speaker 1: right way. And so he's definitely different. There's no question.
Speaker 1: I almost think of him the way that we thought
Speaker 1: of Quittin Nelson when he was coming out of Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: Quittn Nelson was one of the best talents in that class,
Speaker 1: no question about it. But where's you know, not every
Speaker 1: team valued guard that highly, and Kyle Pitts he's one
Speaker 1: of the best talents in his class. Not every team
Speaker 1: values what he does as highly as other teams, So
Speaker 1: it makes it a little difficult to figure out where
Speaker 1: is his best fit into top ten, Top twelve. I
Speaker 1: think out of the question at four, you know, you
Speaker 1: start talking about trading back then maybe they liked jar
Speaker 1: One a lot. They've invested in jar One, and I
Speaker 1: think there were more apt to go in that direction.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think that's where it kind of does.
Speaker 1: It does get fun, because we are going to have
Speaker 1: to think outside the box. If we don't love Caleb Farley,
Speaker 1: if we don't love Patrick certain, if we don't love
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons, you know, whatever it may be, and what
Speaker 1: they do with Jalen may have may come into play
Speaker 1: when it comes to taking a guy like Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: But I do think they know that defense is what
Speaker 1: they have to attack. I think defense, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, knowing this organization's love for and success quite frankly,
Speaker 1: drafting some offensive linement early in the draft. I think
Speaker 1: that's where you're seeing this team focused in on. It's
Speaker 1: like it's we got a new regime here, but I
Speaker 1: mean Mike McCarthy's here and some new coaches, but you know,
Speaker 1: Will McClay, Steven Jerry, we know how these guys think.
Speaker 1: And I think that's what we're kind of going to
Speaker 1: be looking at more than anything offensive line and then
Speaker 1: a defense first and foremost. And at number four you
Speaker 1: can't get the phone to ring, I think you're rolling
Speaker 1: the dice on Caleb Farley, if Sewel's gone or something
Speaker 1: like that. If you can't get the phone to Ring,
Speaker 1: I think you're rolling the dice there before you're rolling
Speaker 1: the dice on Kyle Pitts or Jamar Chase. Well, Jeff,
Speaker 1: what okay? Based off who have you seen so far?
Speaker 1: If I tell you that you can't train back and
Speaker 1: you can't take an offensive player, who are you taking
Speaker 1: a four? Whoever it is, I hate it, I already is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you told that scenario though, right, Well, that's why
Speaker 1: I would pick Jamar Chase. I feel really good about
Speaker 1: the player I picked. I wouldn't want to feel bad
Speaker 1: about the player I picked, and like to me, Gregory Rousseau,
Speaker 1: I'd be terrified to pick in the top five. Terrified
Speaker 1: to pick in the top five. Micah Parsons is an
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker that's relatively new to the position. I'd
Speaker 1: be terrified to pick him in the top five. Farley,
Speaker 1: I think is a solid player with really good potential.
Speaker 1: So you may be writing that that's the name. I
Speaker 1: probably today trust Patrick surtanded Alabama more than I would
Speaker 1: trust Caled Farley. But the traits to be an elite
Speaker 1: cover corner, I think Farley has more upside, So like,
Speaker 1: that's kind of the guy. But if you told me,
Speaker 1: in any given draft year, where would you pick Caled Farley,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, ah, twenty somewhere around. I was trying
Speaker 1: to think about where Farley and certain flicking pair to
Speaker 1: last year's corners. Yeah, corner, It wouldn't be the top corner.
Speaker 1: I don't think. Um, that's that's why I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it, and that's why four is a bad
Speaker 1: place to be so and that's why you win the games.
Speaker 1: Go beat the Bengals, you go beat a cult McCoy
Speaker 1: Giants team could be you go ahead and win that
Speaker 1: nfc'st baby, host that playoff game. Hey hey, hey, well
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, let's go on a run. Let's go on
Speaker 1: a wild run super Bowl. That's why you do it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Picking thirty two changes the draft show,
Speaker 1: doesn't it edge completely? Wouldn't that be interesting? We're talking
Speaker 1: about picking at four, and then a month and a
Speaker 1: half from now, we're picking at thirty two, and it's like,
Speaker 1: hold up, what, like, wait, what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: You think I got guys? Hereto, I got guys. If
Speaker 1: we're picking at thirty two. You think Derek would regret
Speaker 1: paying all of us to do the draft show since
Speaker 1: there's like twenty of us this year. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you would regret it, probably, But I'm not going
Speaker 1: to bring that out, Derek. We're gonna hide this in
Speaker 1: the back half of this show for sure, so that
Speaker 1: way we don't have to talk about it. But now
Speaker 1: I want to go through Cowboys once and needs because
Speaker 1: we're talking about all these different positions. But if you
Speaker 1: had to rank the needs of the Cowboys right now,
Speaker 1: where would you put those? Because I mean you could
Speaker 1: start with corner, you can start with linebacker, you could
Speaker 1: go with defensive tackle. There's so many different spots to go.
Speaker 1: But where would you rank the needs for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: right now? Jeff will start with you on this one,
Speaker 1: but I want to hear one through let's say four,
Speaker 1: one through four. Where are you picking if you're the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and what you need from a draft class quote need?
Speaker 1: I like, I don't think you can put linebacker as
Speaker 1: a top quote need only because in theory, your two
Speaker 1: starters are on the roster and two guys play at
Speaker 1: a time, with linebacker for the most part. So to me,
Speaker 1: the biggest need is Cheeto's contract up, Jordan Lewis contract up.
Speaker 1: Your biggest need is corner because you'll have Trayvon Diggs
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown and you need three minimum to start
Speaker 1: a football game. So to me, I would think corner
Speaker 1: is probably right there at the top. Safety Xavier Woods
Speaker 1: contract is up, and so it'll be Donovan Wilson and
Speaker 1: I don't know, So you're short of starter at safety.
Speaker 1: I think you need a starter at defensive tackle. But
Speaker 1: because I'm more talking about the nose tackle and the
Speaker 1: run stopper there, I wouldn't put it at the very
Speaker 1: top of the list. So I would go corner and safety,
Speaker 1: so entire secondary, followed by potentially a linebacker or an
Speaker 1: edge player, even edge with guys like Dlon Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: still in the mix as well. Alton Smith's a free agent,
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think even if you have Randy greg
Speaker 1: Ruth one year left on a contract, and Tank Lawrence
Speaker 1: that you want more maybe Bradley and I and Doran's Armstrong.
Speaker 1: That's a rotate. You're happy with with those four, But
Speaker 1: I think I'm always looking for a pass rusher anyway,
Speaker 1: So I think linebacker, pass rusher, defensive tackle, those all
Speaker 1: falling line somewhere right behind your secondary cornerback, safety, OH line,
Speaker 1: d line, oh making it quick and easy, offensive tackle.
Speaker 1: I love tiring as much as anybody, but I mean,
Speaker 1: at some point you gotta start preparing for the future.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think they'd pass on Penny
Speaker 1: Sewell if they have a chance at him in the
Speaker 1: top five. And it's one of those positions that you
Speaker 1: have to look at and if it's the best player
Speaker 1: on the board when you're picking in the first round,
Speaker 1: if it's a top five or it ends up being
Speaker 1: later on, that's got to be a position you look at.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy like Rashaan Slater out of Northwestern
Speaker 1: who has position flex He can help you out of guard,
Speaker 1: he can help you out either tackle spot. That has
Speaker 1: to be appealing for a team that has struggled so
Speaker 1: badly this season with depth issues on the offensive line
Speaker 1: because of injuries. And we talk about tying so much,
Speaker 1: but it don't forget Lyle. That's a hip injury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a very serious injury at that position. Um So
Speaker 1: I think we got to keep that in mind as well,
Speaker 1: And I think you have some flexibility whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to those two guys. You could always put Tying at
Speaker 1: right tackle. You could put Collins at the guard if
Speaker 1: you really wanted to. You could you could mix a
Speaker 1: match around to the offensive line in the offseason to
Speaker 1: justify what your pick is. But we've talked about the tackles,
Speaker 1: and we talked about the corners up at the top
Speaker 1: of the draft. Is there a defensive tackle that's good
Speaker 1: enough to be picked in the first round or is
Speaker 1: that really kind of gonna be right in that area
Speaker 1: of that early second round, your first pick of the
Speaker 1: second round, maybe even to the third. History tells us
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle is going to go in the first
Speaker 1: once in the last thirty years, an interior defensive lineman
Speaker 1: did not go in in the first round. So history
Speaker 1: tells us just h not to mention. NFL teams love
Speaker 1: to build on the defensive line, so there's a chance
Speaker 1: that maybe a Christian Barmore out of Alabama could get
Speaker 1: in there, a player that it's it's based a lot
Speaker 1: on potential and traits. UM, a guy like out of
Speaker 1: Iowa is moving up the boards. Davey on Nixon, who's
Speaker 1: having a really nice year. I didn't include a defensive
Speaker 1: tackle in my first round, and I don't I wouldn't
Speaker 1: take any of these defensive tackles in the first But
Speaker 1: maybe that's that's a good thing for you know, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys because in the if they're picking with an early
Speaker 1: second round pick or an early third round pick, there
Speaker 1: will be options because this is while it's it's a
Speaker 1: bad year for defensive tackles in the first round, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty solid year for defensive tackles on Day two.
Speaker 1: So that could be the sweet spot for a team
Speaker 1: like like like Dallas. And we've seen this team go
Speaker 1: there in the past years with Neville Gallimore round three, UM,
Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins round three past So I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which you know, late round two feels like earlier round
Speaker 1: three or whatever, but like that, that's we've seen this
Speaker 1: team go there find that at a sweet spot. So
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. Jeff. If
Speaker 1: you're you're you're throwing this this wide receiver tandem out there,
Speaker 1: and you're you're you're talking about that as a potential
Speaker 1: best player available, and you mentioned I kind of want
Speaker 1: to go back to what you talked about whenever you're
Speaker 1: talking about feeling good about a player, and you mentioned Farley,
Speaker 1: you mentioned certain and then of course Jamar Chase was
Speaker 1: in that conversation as well. But who else would you
Speaker 1: feel good about in the second round? Like if there
Speaker 1: was an early second round pick, And we talked about
Speaker 1: the value of picking toward the front half of that,
Speaker 1: is that where you have to go defense, especially if
Speaker 1: you go that offensive side, in that offensive route in
Speaker 1: the first half, or is there somebody on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the football that you'd feel happy about early
Speaker 1: in the second Well, I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: the guys that I'm watching, And obviously Dane has seen
Speaker 1: seven thousand, four hundred and seventy two guys this year
Speaker 1: and I'm at about fourteen or fifteen. But I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that I've been watching, whether
Speaker 1: it's the guys that are considered the top edges in
Speaker 1: this class, or the third and fourth corners in this class,
Speaker 1: or the second and third linebackers in this class, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of players that I really like. I
Speaker 1: just think when you're talking about which guy you're going
Speaker 1: to pick at in theory number four, overall, you should
Speaker 1: be picking a guy that you feel like, man, this
Speaker 1: guy can be a star. And in this draft class, look,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be stars that come out of here, whether
Speaker 1: we identify them to be picked in the top three
Speaker 1: or five, or it's somebody who's trades and hits their
Speaker 1: ceiling like they're gonna be there. And there's guys that
Speaker 1: I really really like. There's just not guys that I
Speaker 1: really really like picking in the top five where they're
Speaker 1: going to be incredibly highly paid in the salary cap league.
Speaker 1: But like when you're getting to the end of the
Speaker 1: first round or early into the second round. Nick Bolton,
Speaker 1: linebacker round in Missouri, I love him. I actually have
Speaker 1: already coined him the anti Parsons because Michael Parsons is
Speaker 1: a monster who's what six four two forty five and
Speaker 1: may go sideline and sideline faster than any linebacker in
Speaker 1: the history of the league. Like he's a demon when
Speaker 1: he's when he's right. But like Michael Parsons, I feel like,
Speaker 1: you see how young he is at the position when
Speaker 1: he's dropping the coverage and when he's not diagnosing immediately.
Speaker 1: I watched Nick Bolton at Missouri and I don't think
Speaker 1: I've ever seen him take a false step. I don't
Speaker 1: think I've ever seen him not be the first guy
Speaker 1: moving off the snap. He's always right, he's stays in
Speaker 1: a shovel. I have seen him cover, so you know
Speaker 1: he's not prototypical size. But currently first by guy in
Speaker 1: this draft is Nick Bolton. Yeah, Frisco kid, He's he's
Speaker 1: awesome and he's gonna get killed for the lack of length,
Speaker 1: but you're absolutely right, he's a bad out of hell.
Speaker 1: The diagnosed skills are awesome, and you know there's there's
Speaker 1: some Devin Bush to his game, who of course Devin
Speaker 1: Bush win I think ten overall to the Steelers. So
Speaker 1: uh yeah, Nick Bolton absolutely could end up being a
Speaker 1: top twenty guy in this class. Also, keep in mind,
Speaker 1: you know he's really needs to show it here as
Speaker 1: the season winds down. You know, dealing Moses a kind
Speaker 1: of a blue Star special for Alabama. There hope, you know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately towards towards knee up last year and has it
Speaker 1: looked the same this year, But you know we've seen
Speaker 1: it in his tape and a little bit from his
Speaker 1: tape last year, like there's a little bit there to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: there's if that can be untapped. He's you get a
Speaker 1: little nervous, I know, drafting injed linebackers in this organization.
Speaker 1: I know, But Dylan Moses Saga, I'm definitely not sleeping on.
Speaker 1: I lot more guy at linebacker to mention Zaven Collins
Speaker 1: out of Tulsa. Oh, I know the Cowboys like him,
Speaker 1: all right. Uh and in a tradeback scenario, don't rule
Speaker 1: out Zaven Collins. He could be in the mix. They
Speaker 1: like him a lot. You've got how come they want
Speaker 1: let their Tulsa got played this year? Freggie Robbins. I
Speaker 1: was about to bring it up, Kaze. I was about
Speaker 1: to say that Dan, any answer to that A good
Speaker 1: question of the field, Yeah, exactly put him out there
Speaker 1: safety corner, I don't care. I mean he and he
Speaker 1: could help you out either spots. So this I thought
Speaker 1: he was ready to step in, you know, he was.
Speaker 1: He was an upperclassman, a guy that was a veteran
Speaker 1: who had versable experience. I thought we'd see a little
Speaker 1: bit more from him. But you know, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: sit here in question the coaches. They obviously don't feel
Speaker 1: quite ready with them just yet. But you know we
Speaker 1: we we'd yet to read the last chapter of his book. Hey,
Speaker 1: Al Harris, Remember that time Matt Hasselbeck said, we want
Speaker 1: the ball and we're gonna score, and you intercept it.
Speaker 1: I got your attention. Now, I got your attention because
Speaker 1: you hit the interception. Might Reggie Robinson play? Just let
Speaker 1: him play? There's Katsie's final final words of the draft show.
Speaker 1: I guess before we wrap things up, but I like
Speaker 1: the linebackers in that second round. I'm black Cabina. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought that up because I like Bolting a
Speaker 1: lot and got to see him at Lone Star actually
Speaker 1: down the road. Coach Rayburn does a fantastic job of
Speaker 1: producing talent, especially on the defensive side of the football there,
Speaker 1: and he's just one of those guys that's been there,
Speaker 1: done the right thing at every level he's been at it.
Speaker 1: I think he'll continue that into the NFL. So I
Speaker 1: like Bolton a lot. I was watching Moses yesterday. I
Speaker 1: still don't really know how I feel about him. And
Speaker 1: then Dane bringing up another Tulsa defender. I'm cool with it.
Speaker 1: I like the Tulsa defender from last year. And Reggie Robinson,
Speaker 1: we just haven't seen him this year for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: So lots of options there in the early parts of
Speaker 1: the second round whenever April comes. But that's not gonna
Speaker 1: be yet for our Draft show, as we'll be back
Speaker 1: next week and even every week after that until the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are out of contention, and then we'll go twice
Speaker 1: a week with these different groups. But man, guys, it's
Speaker 1: been a whole lot of fun. And glad to have
Speaker 1: you back for another year of the Draft Show, Dane.
Speaker 1: Glad to have you right back in the mix like
Speaker 1: you once were full time. You were on the show
Speaker 1: quite a bit last year, but glad to have you
Speaker 1: back in the MIxS full time, buddy. Now, I saw
Speaker 1: the sign up in the sky and I came running,
Speaker 1: So I'm on board. Let's do it. Captain trade Down.
Speaker 1: You're feeling good about the draft this year? The final
Speaker 1: five weeks of the season. Oh, Kyle, we're gonna kill
Speaker 1: this thing. To me incredible. Listen, this is what Captain
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Speaker 1: top five pick, turn it into three or four picks
Speaker 1: in the top fifty. Joseph Osi A sea there, Texas.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about you. JC Horn, I see you, Tray
Speaker 1: Von mooreg I see you. We're coming to get all
Speaker 1: of you guys. We just it all starts with captain
Speaker 1: trade down. Getting to right, Katie. I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any better way to put it like he just did.
Speaker 1: But you're right there in the same boat. You're mister
Speaker 1: Win to go to go win the division. You've got
Speaker 1: captain trade down to mister go win. You're feeling good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm Sergeant Win. I'm Sergeant Win Games. Just win. We'll
Speaker 1: get We're gonna we're gonna scut him up and we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna pick the right players when it's time.
Speaker 1: So just just go win games. Getting ready for Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Let's go. That's gonna do it here for us on
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Speaker 1: for Sergeant Win Games for Captain trade down, I'm Kyle
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