WEBVTT - The Draft Show: Kicking It Off 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:09.160 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.920 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:16.759 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:23.439 Dallas Cowboys like Ted Lambs and now your hosts. Brian 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:28.840 brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, Dane Bruvler, Jeff Kavanaugh, 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:35.400 Kevin Turner and Kyle Yeomans. Don't you just love hearing 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.960 all of those names back to back to back to back. 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:45.080 Eighty six combined years of draft coverage within seven panelists 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.160 that you just heard for the twenty twenty twenty twenty 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:52.760 one Cowboys Draft Show. It's one hundred and forty six 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.440 days out, but we're talking some Cowboys draft. Welcome in 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:59.280 to the first episode of the twenty twenty one Dallas 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.840 Cowboys Draft Show. Kyle Yeoman's driving the bus this year 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.720 as I did last year. But man, I am a 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:09.000 privileged to be a part of such a talented group 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.280 of panelists and we're starting things off with the right way. 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:15.600 Let's just say that by welcoming back. Mister Brian brought 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:19.240 us back to the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Bracton Draft Show. 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:21.840 You see David Helmet up in the top right hand corner. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.959 Then we've got Bucky Brooks also making his return. But Brian, 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.680 first off, glad to have you back full time here 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.080 on the Draft Show. It's a privilege for me. Somebody 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:31.920 who's listening to you for years, has gotten to work 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.920 with you a little bit. But now hey, you're back, 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.400 and you're back for good. Well, thank you, and it's 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.959 great to be back with you guys. The Draft Show 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.080 is such a big part of what my career has been, 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:46.920 you know, the years of scouting and then now in media, 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.520 and I'm probably more known for the Draft Show than 0:01:49.560 --> 0:01:52.000 i am anything else. So it's great to be with 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.440 you guys, and excited about the opportunity to start this journey. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.920 It's really it's exciting because I mean, Dave, you and 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:02.920 I went through this journey last year and what was 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.680 a crazy twenty twenty draft process. It gets even crazier 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.440 now that it's twenty twenty one. But I know you 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:12.440 and I have had these conversations before, but it's just 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:15.440 not the same without Brian, and now that he's back, 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.960 we get an opportunity to add not only Brian but 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.600 Dane back into the full Dame Brugler will join us 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.080 later on Bucky Brooks as well, and I couldn't be 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:26.480 more excited. I know you're pumped about it, though I 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.760 don't know what's crazier, you know, doing like you know, 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:33.440 the pandemic hit in the middle of it last year, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.200 so you kind of had to adapt on the fly. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.880 But now we're just doing the whole thing pandemic style. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.520 We're starting in December, which, like we've always joked about it, 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:45.440 but we're actually doing it, which is kind of insane. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.480 But I love it. And yeah, I got my guy 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:50.760 double be back on the show, so I couldn't be happier. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.960 Actually two double bees because Bucky's along for the ride 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.160 this time too. I mean, I'm I'm beside myself. I'm pumped. 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.480 Let's do it. Bucky. How you've been down there and 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:02.760 you're in the bottom right hand corner. But hey, we 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.160 are glad to have you back. We had you on 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.000 for the Senior Bowl last year, a little bit for 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.400 the Combine as well. Glad to have you full time 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:12.120 on the Draft Show this year. Yeah, I'm really excited. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.120 And since we're Thorne Verbibal case that Brian brought us, 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.720 I would like to go back and talk about him 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.800 because he's one of the guys that really started me 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.040 on my journey as a scout. The conversations we used 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.880 to have back in Green Bay when I was a 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.120 player and he was working in the front office kind 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.799 of started my thirst forward the personnel side. So it 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:32.560 really is back. I'm really glad to be on this 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.040 show with him because he really played a big part 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.160 in why I decided to go the personnel rout. Well, guys, 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.440 I could just retire now, so I see it. It's 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.360 been great to be with everybody. You guys got this 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:49.040 thing handled. Kyle, you do great. David, you're really good. Listen, Buckie, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.440 I couldn't have touched any better. So you guys have 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.960 a good time. Now. Hey, now that we spent the 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:56.480 last five minutes kissing your butt, I'll just throw in 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.560 your line about being a failed scout and yeah, there 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.200 you go back to the regular super Bowl. Yeah, there 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.640 you go. That's one way to end that conversation from 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.560 by flashing that super Bowl, right. But I had no idea. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.880 I didn't know that you guys were back in Green 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.200 Bay together, and now you're on the show together. I 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.760 like that fold of things. So talk about that relationship 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:20.839 a little bit, Brian, and how you guys met in 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:23.400 terms of you and Bucky and how that kind of blossomed, 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.720 like Bucky just talked about, Yeah, Bucky has always had 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.159 a really when he was playing for US and we 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.880 got him out of North Carolina, and when he was 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.320 playing for US, Bucky always had a really good eye 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.880 for evaluating other players. And so I would always talk 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.400 to Bucky about players in the ACC, and Bucky had 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.240 a really good thought about these guys and who could 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.120 be a really good player and who to look at, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.400 who not to look at, and he just really kind 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:55.080 of took a natural liking to it. So yeah, I 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:58.599 was I was really pleased to help him along that way, 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:00.840 and I'm glad he was able to to make it work. 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:07.960 That's fun. I like that. Yeah, Bucky, go for it now. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.400 I was saying. It was really cool because those conversations, 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.200 and I remember distinctly the conversations centered around Drey Bligh 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:18.080 and Robert Williams and Brian Simmons and that crew, because 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.120 the crew that when I left behind in North Carolina, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.120 they were really really talented and Vonnie Holiday, who we 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.120 ended up drafting in Green Bay was one of those guys, 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.719 and so just having those conversations and Brian being willing 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.839 to just kind of share insights on the business, it 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:35.919 really made me think about it. And another one of 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.919 his co workers, John Snyder, actually gave me my start. 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.400 So a lot of my scouting career centers from my 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:44.520 time in Green Bay and the things that I learned 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.240 from them, and also Ron Wolf, and so I'm really 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:51.400 really thankful for all of those experiences. That's awesome along 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.280 the way. It's crazy how many people meet and how 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.320 small the scouting world in the NFL world really is 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:00.400 whenever you get down to it. And I'm decided to 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:02.440 be along with the ride with you guys, and of 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:04.360 course helmet up here. But I kind of want to 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.960 explain this really quickly for all those draft fans out there. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.359 This is how this is going to work. This four 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.120 right here, it will be on once a week throughout 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.360 the entirety of the draft process, whenever the Cowboys are 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.080 out of contention for the playoffs, So once a week 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:23.599 you will get this four. There's another four myself along 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:27.120 with Katie, Jeff Cavanaugh, and then the great Dane Brugler, 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.560 will be another four set, another tandem per se that 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.040 will be on once a week once the Cowboys are 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:38.279 eliminated from playoff contention. Until that point, it'll be alternating. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.520 It'll be one show a week from the Draft Show, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.120 and it'll alternate between these two groups back and forth 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.680 between the Elder Statesmen as I like to call it 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.960 as who were it with right here with Brian and 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.960 Bucky and Dave in terms of the three most experienced 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:53.520 out of the seven total panelists, and then we've got 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:55.880 the Young Buck and then the Young Buck group with 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.560 Katie and Jeff Cavanaugh and Dane Brugler. They will join 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.520 us at about eleven forty five and that's when we'll 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:05.640 kick off their side of the show. So seven panelists 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.240 throughout the Draft Show season full time. I'm pumped about this. 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.160 Derek Eagleton lots of credit for pulling together really an 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:15.880 all star cast. But let's get into this, shall we. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.440 Let's talk about one of the craziest draft processes that 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.200 will ever be in the NFL. I mean, you talk 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:26.520 about the twenty twenty draft process. Crazy from just missing 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:28.800 a couple pro days here and there and not having 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.200 that entire look at players the virtual meetings instead of 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.200 the thirty day guys. And now you go into twenty 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.640 twenty one and it's a huge question. But Brian, we're 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.160 gonna start with you. What is the biggest challenge for 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.720 front offices in a year like this where really everything 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:48.200 is up in the air. Yeah, there are a lot 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.200 of challenges and it's been very difficult on scouts. And 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.200 I know that book. He's talked a lot of his 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.680 guys around the league and much like myself, and these 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.680 guys aren't getting to go to these schools and generally 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.679 from the end of August through say Christmas the first 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.280 the year, they're going to these schools and talking to 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:11.480 these football ops guys, the coaches, the trainers, the scout 0:08:11.520 --> 0:08:13.680 anybody they could talk to that to kind of talk 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.520 about these players or learn about these players. And that's 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.720 really what's difficult for him right now because what they're 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.080 doing is they're sitting at home and they're just grinding tape. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:24.160 Nothing wrong with just grinding tape. We all appreciate to 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:27.920 be able to evaluate these players, but that there's interactions 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:31.360 you have with those those schools. That's how you're able 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.640 to build that file on these players. And they don't 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.480 have that right now. There's a lot of calls, zoom calls, whatever, 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.400 but those face to face meetings are really when you 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.680 get the full evaluation of what that player is. You 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.960 trust your eyes to see what he is as a player. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.640 But these, these these men and women that are with 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.520 them every day are the ones that really fill in 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:56.920 the gaps for you. Bucky. Yeah, you know it's oh sorry, 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.319 go ahead, Buck. No, No, I think I think b 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.439 hits it the nail on the head because so much 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:04.800 of what you do on the school call is not 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.440 necessarily just watching tape of meeting everyone around the building. 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.000 And what happens is, over time you've been going to 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:12.720 the school years and years on end, you have a 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.280 trusted confident that you can get the scoop on a player. 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:18.920 And so when the liaison may be giving you kind 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:22.040 of like the blanket statement and assessment, there's someone else 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.240 that you can go to to really get the goods 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.360 on who a player is football character wise and then 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:31.000 really his real character. And so it is difficult now 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.320 that you're not able to go and get around those players, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.120 those people, and you're also not able to watch these 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.560 guys on the practice field, because a lot of what 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.040 you do is you evaluate how they are with their teammates, 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.840 how they are in line, Are they first in drills, 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.120 are they last indrials? Are their high effort guy when 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.040 it comes to practice, or do they just kind of 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.480 dog it. You need all of that information because you 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.720 want to bring that back when you're building the profile. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.520 So when you do make the presentation to the decision makers, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.640 they know exactly what they're bringing into the building. I 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:03.680 was I was just gonna throw in there real quick, 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.960 which Brian, you know this working at the Star for 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.760 as long as you did. The scouting office is fifty 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.320 feet away from where we work, and so I mean 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.160 you get you get to know these guys pretty well. 0:10:13.200 --> 0:10:16.840 And during this season, i've you know, you reach out 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:18.840 to these guys to see how it's going, and it 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.480 doesn't seem like the answer as well. I mean, obviously 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.680 the NFL is always going to find a way to 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.000 work around it, but you just pay attention to the nudes. 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.000 You know. Some schools aren't even letting scouts sit in 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.679 the press box to watch games, you know, just in 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.120 the interest of limiting the number of people to the there, 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:36.440 so you can't go on a school call. You like, 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.520 you can't get face to face time with the players 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.920 or the coaches that coach them. You can't even like 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.760 watch the game live depending on the school. It's obviously 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:46.760 not every school, but some of them. And I just 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.080 I do not envy these guys who are tasked with 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.680 basically like you have to put together a portfolio on 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.280 every player in your area, and I just don't know 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.360 how you're supposed to do that other than watching tape, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.120 which that yeah, like Brian said, that's great, but it's 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:04.040 it's just one piece of the puzzle, and it seems 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.679 like these guys don't have the other pieces. So I 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:09.600 would be stressed if I was a scout, I guess, 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.560 is what I'm trying to say. Do you think, and 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.160 I kind of want to go back to what Bucky 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.800 just talked about in terms of seeing practices as well, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:20.160 do you think there is a workaround kind of how 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.120 Dave was even mentioning of these NFL scouts trying to 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:25.760 find a way to watch practice. You got to put 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:28.040 together the full pieces to the puzzle, and the early 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.480 pieces are those practice times with your collegiate school. So 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.600 I just want to know if there's any way that 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:36.800 you know, maybe teams are combating that that lack of 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:43.880 practice film or how they're actually watching some of those guys. Yeah, 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:46.120 I think that maybe what we'll see though, is and 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.560 maybe the top players you could do this with. Maybe 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.959 if these teams go to bowl games. If we do 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:53.920 have the bowl games, it sounds like they're going to 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.360 try to have them. Now, maybe you could go to 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.760 areas where you're not on a campus, but you're on 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.800 a property, Say you're at the in Orlando, at the 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:05.640 Citrus Bowl or something like that, and you're watching teams 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.680 practice and maybe teams. Teams might even have to work 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.320 with each other on this too, about what they saw 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.560 and things like that. You know, scouts are good about 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.720 sharing information. Your teams don't always want you to do it, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.400 but scouts really do have each other's backs when it 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.440 comes to some of the stuff. But I have a 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.000 feeling that if we get to a bowl game situation 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.960 or playoff situation, that maybe you'll be able to see 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.439 some scouts attend those practices and kind of get a 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.679 little bit of an idea if their guys are there, 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:34.520 if their guys are even there playing, we might have 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.320 some guys opt out if they're not in those major games, 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:38.840 but at least that might give you a little bit 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:42.480 of a look. You know Bryan's point. I think this 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.080 is where your relationship with video coordinator as schools could 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.720 come in and play the years that you love donuts 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.960 and T shirts and hats and those things. Maybe you 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.120 can convince them to send you some snippets and some 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.760 clips of the warmer portion of practice or just of 0:12:57.840 --> 0:12:59.719 the drills. I think you have to be very very 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.520 sourceful doing this that in this part of what scouts 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.000 are tasked with, UM kind of find a way to 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.040 figure it out, and so your relationships will really play 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.880 a big part in your ability to maybe get some 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.880 form of practice footage so you can look and evaluate 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:15.960 how they interact with the teammates, so how they move 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:23.839 around on the turf. David, I mean, I think they've 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:29.840 covered it pretty well. I'd like, again, I'm stressed out 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:32.800 by by the incomplete picture that you're going to have 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:35.160 of these guys. I'm ore. You know, I wanted to 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.280 bring this to the show. I know we're you know 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.640 we're gonna talk about you know, it's we're gonna talk 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.200 about the opt outs. But I can't help but notice 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.439 our colleague Dane, who's going to be here in a 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:48.840 half hour. I believe he mocked Caleb Varley, the Virginia 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.360 Tech cornerback to the Cowboys, that dude hasn't played a 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:56.760 snaff all year, and that that freaks me out. I'm sure, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.640 I'm sure he's a hell of a player. I have 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.640 a full disclosure. I haven't watched his twenty nineteen tape. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.360 I'm sure it's pretty good, but that's a long time 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.480 to not be getting reps, and not only you know, 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.240 not only game reps, but as an opt out, he's 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.079 not he's not practicing, he's not with his program, he's 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:17.640 not doing that every day. So have fun projecting what 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:20.360 that that's supposed to be. It freaks me out. Yeah, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.640 that's why you take Patrick certain it is what you do. 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:28.160 All right, Hey, we got it up. Show over. I 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.080 don't I don't want to talk. I don't want to 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.560 talk trash on a guy that opts out because I 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.320 completely understand the boat that he's in. Ye, but if 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.200 you're give if you're telling me that you know, if 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.760 the tags are touching, Brian, if the tags are touching 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.400 or if they're even remotely close, to give me the 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.000 guy that spent the year playing football over the guy 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.640 that didn't. I mean, am I crazy for thinking that way? 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.720 I don't think so. UM. I think Kevin Colbert has 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.360 talked about this for the Stealers. He said that, as 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.560 Brian would talk about, if the tags are touching, if 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:00.840 it's close, the ties want to go to the guy 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:04.120 that you saw play most recently, because you know exactly 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.120 what you're getting. The guy has been tucked away, working 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:09.760 in the shadows. The unknown scares you, and a lot 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.760 about the draft is mitigating and minimizing griss, and what 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.760 you don't know is scary. So I would rather even 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.560 if it's a slightly lesser player. But I've seen him, 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.120 and I know exactly what I'm getting. I'm more likely 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.280 to league on that player than the player that has 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.880 completely disappeared for two hundred sixty five days and I 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.440 have no idea what he's done throughout the process. Well, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.560 and even you talk about the notables, you talk about 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.520 Jamar Chase, Micah Parsons, kayleb Farley, who Dave just mentioned 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.800 Pinnay solely, even a guy who's mocked right now in 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.160 the top three overall picks at offensive tackle out of Oregon. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.800 Those are four guys, and that's just a scratch of 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.800 the surface in terms of all of the opt outs 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:50.800 if you want to go down the list of first 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.280 round talents. But there's a lot of guys that you 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:56.080 don't see feet on the ground in terms of what 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.160 they're doing in twenty twenty. Guys like that kind of 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.840 scare me too. I'm right there with you. But Brian, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.800 from a front office standpoint, is it is it something 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.600 that they're really having to dive into the film or 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.160 is this conversations that need to be had with that 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:12.240 player in order for them to not be scared by 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:16.600 these opt outs? Yeah, that's I mean, I think that 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.960 Bucky painted a picture for you about your relationships that 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.240 you have with with the with the coaches, the members 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.400 of the the you know, the staff there at these colleges. 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.920 You know, if you really trust a guy and sometimes 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:34.160 these guys, if you have that relationship, he could paint 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.800 a picture or she could paint a picture for you 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.520 of this player. Is reminds me of this guy, or 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.120 he reminds me of this guy, And you could kind 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.920 of then in your mind say Okay, I've seen this 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.520 guy play before, and that's really how Jerry Jones operates 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.600 there in that in that war room. You tell Jerry Jones, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:57.280 this player reminds me of somebody he's already seen that 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.960 clicks something in his head. So I know for the Cowboys, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.520 that's the way it's gonna work. But yeah, you have 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.240 to be able to have a relationship and trust that 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.880 that person is telling you that. Hey, Will, this kid 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:12.680 wasn't with us. Saw him every day in our weight room, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.640 saw him every day around the building. He's a hard 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.560 working kid. I mean, you just got to trust a 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.199 lot of people that are going to give you the 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:25.480 right information so you can make this important decision. Yeah, 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.800 it's so important to have those relationships, and it will 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.679 extend beyond just the guys on the school call. I 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.160 think now with the explosion of the boutique training and 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.879 where guys are going to work out, your ability to 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.800 know some of these private trainers and to have real 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.920 open and honest discussions with these guys. Hey, is this 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.560 guy really a worker? If the workout starts at eight o'clock, 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.160 what time is he showing up? Is he walking right 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:52.880 in at eight o'clock is he walking in an hour 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:56.399 before those things? Trying to assess how hard has he 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.560 been working, what does he look like physically? Can you 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.520 send me some stuff? Can I FaceTime and just kind 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.160 of watch him work out and move? I mean, now 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:05.920 more than ever, you're going to have to be so 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.600 resourceful when it comes to trying to get the information 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.119 as it relates to the opt outs. You're gonna have 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:14.880 to hopefully, if you've been working in an area, you've 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:17.439 been tracking these guys since their freshman year. So when 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.600 I would go to LSU and Jamal Adams was there 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.359 because I knew it from high school, he would consistently 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.760 tell me, Hey, what about this guy? What about that guy? 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.239 What do you think? And as they grow through it, 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.480 you now have a feel for how this guy is 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:33.080 and how he's worked, and so you have a maybe 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.000 a longer resume, but it's still a very I mean, 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.399 it's a difficult challenge, and without being able to go 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.440 one on one with these guys, it's very, very difficult 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:42.840 to make a decision of what you really liked them. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:45.880 Bookie makes another really good point here, and I won't 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.119 say that very often because we're gonna argue about players 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:49.760 here one of these days. So I'm gonna get my 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.800 niceties and what I can do. But I think I 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:54.640 think that where book he makes a point he talks 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:58.960 about the workouts, these personal trainers and stuff like that. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:02.600 That might be another avenue for scouts to go see 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:05.720 these players actually work out. You know, that might be 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.879 some of these some of these places might welcome you 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.359 in at four or five teams at a time. Hey, 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:15.320 come watch our workouts. We'll set up some drills. We'll 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:18.280 let you watch him do three cones and pedal drills 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.080 and stuff like that. So that might be a way 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.359 for the scouts to kind of get around some of 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.840 these be able to put eyes on these players and 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:33.200 how they're moving around to match it with their tape. Davis, 0:19:33.200 --> 0:19:37.000 that's just where I Oh, sorry, Kyle, you go for it. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.159 I just now thought of this. I didn't do this 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.640 on purpose, but I see our guy, see my man, 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.679 Joe Burrow behind me on my set here, And I 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:50.480 mean I'm not just bringing him up because he's the best, 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.280 but I mean it's an interesting case. You think back 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.280 to last year, Like if Joe Burrow doesn't have a 0:19:57.320 --> 0:20:00.920 twenty nineteen season, or an incomplete twenty nineteen season, he's 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.480 he's probably a Day three draft pick. He goes number 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.919 one overall instead. So on the flip side, you know, 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.399 we know about Michael Parsons, we know about you know, 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.440 we know about Jamar Chase. We know about these guys. 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:17.080 What about what about the Joe Burrows who are fringe 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.840