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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to tech Stuff. My name is

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Speaker 1: Chris Poulette. I'm an editor here at how stuff Works

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Speaker 1: join the discussion as senior writer Jonathan Strickland. Good eye, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: what's that all about? Well, today I thought we would

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Speaker 1: take our discussion from a topic that was sent in

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Speaker 1: Hi guys, my name is Nick. I am from Australia

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Speaker 1: was searching the web recently when I stumbled over something

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Speaker 1: is an RSS feed and how do they work? Thanks? Well, Nick,

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Speaker 1: I figure that's what we're gonna tackle is, um, RSS feeds. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh, and chances are you are listening to this

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Speaker 1: sort of variation of the RSS feed. That's true. That's true.

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Speaker 1: And wait a minute, you know you mean of all

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Speaker 1: the articles on the site that I've written, which is

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Speaker 1: go with one that Pallette himself uh penned or typed.

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Speaker 1: for RSS, you'll see that our own Chris Pallette wrote

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Speaker 1: It's a trap. Anyway, Let's let's go ahead and kind

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