WEBVTT - Hangin' with the Boys: A … Two 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.760 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:15.800 --> 0:00:28.320 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Blowing out of the backfields, 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:33.159 flowing down the sidelines. This He's Hanging with the Boys, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:37.560 presented by wing Stuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now, 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:43.440 your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.040 You're looking live at Tostitos Champion will part a little 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:54.320 piece of Tostitos Championship plaus outside Fort Center. It's a 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.560 star in Frisco, Texas, where it is fifty nine degrees, 0:00:57.600 --> 0:00:59.960 it feels like fifty six. The high today is seventy three. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:03.280 The low tonight is forty nine. Good old Texas. Spring 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.480 weather doesn't know what it wants to do. And you're 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.440 looking at a weird angle. You're looking at the side 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.240 of Ford Center where they are taking down last year's 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:15.720 dark mode graphics and putting up this year's city Drop graphics. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.800 So by the end of today should look like a 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:23.000 brand new building. So how you fellas doing good good 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.639 good good brother? Jess just fell in him, just walked 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:34.640 in him. What up? How was your Easter? Kirk By Nice? Yeah, yeah, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.320 you know, I didn't you know, had family and all 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.560 that kind of Yeah. Jesse comes in with his phone 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:44.319 playing and disrupting the whole podcast. Nate, how you doing great? Man? 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.760 As Hey? I enjoyed Where were you last week? Where 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:52.800 all did you go last week? I went to Florida twice? Twice? Yeah, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.160 one time I did twenty eight hundred miles because I 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.760 went to Orlando and all around Orlando we had this 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.840 title pride thing. He didn't I love, came back home, 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:04.680 kissed my wife and then left again, you know, and uh, 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.240 you know, and went back to Tallahassa, Florida, which I 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.320 did like seventeen. Why didn't you just stay in Florida stay? 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.160 Oh no, man? Why why waste times? Just one spot? 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.720 I like the gas prices? Yeah, I did check him. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.280 That's why this is the first time I've traveled. But 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:22.080 I was like, man, this ain't bad. I don't mean 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:24.760 the gasses. You know. How long were you backed me 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:27.760 a trick cap or something? No, that's the hardest car. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:30.359 That's by the one I had last Remember last week, 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.800 I couldn't get that one open. How long were you 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.640 back in Dallas? I spend da was about two days 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.720 and then I left and left drove to Florida, drove 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.000 back to Dallas, which is what about a fifteen hours 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.639 fanteen all, you know, stay for two days, and drove 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.400 back there. But then I came back this time and 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.280 I stopped late at night, chilling in the van, slept 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:54.400 in the back seat, and got got up. Man, you 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:56.799 know about a couple of Man, it's good, man. I mean, 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.360 God makes the world is so beautiful. You see it 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.360 the same, you know, you you know, go down the 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.040 same highways saying roll with the trees and the animals 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.840 and the people, and you know, and I'm talking to folks. 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:09.320 I get out and I walk around, you know, I 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.800 do the John Madden thing in holla foot what's up? 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.399 Are you doing? Great to see you. People recognize you 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:19.120 have something to the voice. They don't know what's up? 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:22.799 What's up? Oh? I know you you the fact guy 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.400 that hangs out with Uh. Well good, They're good to 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.360 have you back. I'm glad. I'm glad to get your 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.280 crew back together for the first time in a while. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.680 I was in Florida last week. Where are you Yeah? Well, 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:36.920 oh yeah, big big day for you. What you do? 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:42.680 Interviewed Jimmy Johnson. Oh, you're doing a documentary, Serve, tell 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.640 us a little bit about it. Yeah, we went down 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:47.280 there too. We're doing a documentary on the nineteen ninety 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.800 one season, which Nave. You've helped us out with that, 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.720 and yeah, so Jimmy agreed to an interview and we 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.400 rushed down there and got a little time with him. 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.400 It's nice on the boat. Now we're at his restaurant. Okay, 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:05.360 all right, he's in Boca. Yeah, that's well, that's where 0:04:05.400 --> 0:04:07.760 his restaurant is. I'm not exactly sure. Where did you 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.600 eat at the restaurant? Now we we Uh had bothered 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.840 them enough, I guess. So we was opportunity for free food. 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.159 Now I went no free food and bone, that's for sure. 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.280 He was great. Good Jesse, how was your Easter? It 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.640 was good? Yea. My best friend came up. Hadn't seen 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.159 him in like over two years due to all the 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:29.159 pandemic stuff. So we got a chance to hang out 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:34.520 and UH went to the fight and Uh again I 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:39.080 realized that I'm old. I made you realize that I 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:43.479 just can't hang and run like I used to. You know, 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.320 I could understand that when you were drinking, but you're 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.560 not even drinking but when you look at the clock 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.920 and it's two o'clock, it's two thirty, and then you 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:57.920 got to get up and try to be a person 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:04.440 the next day. Oh man, I was like. And then 0:05:04.480 --> 0:05:06.360 for the people who do drink, I don't know how 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:08.719 they I don't know how they drink and then do 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.320 it again the next day, and like make this a 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.760 like a habitual thing every weekend. I knew I live 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:16.840 that life. You just keep doing it, sweet, so you 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:21.360 don't remember how bad it is. Sweet I you know, 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.080 with the church on Sunday, that was a struggle. Hung 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.520 out too late Saturday night after the fight, but I 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:28.680 got up and won't third a long. Sometimes you feel 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.840 worse if you don't drink because you're tired and you're lethargic. 0:05:32.960 --> 0:05:35.320 If you if you, if you do it right, you 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.480 just you know, it's still with the next day. What 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.919 throws me off is I'm I'm very system right, very routine. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:48.560 So like if I start like late, like my my 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:52.560 my nights in later on a consistent basis, or what 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.520 I'm eating, is it kind of in the same wheelhouse 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.560 like that stuff rex me. It throws me like if 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.320 I don't have enough water in me, if I'm not 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:04.640 sleeping enough, if I'm not eating, like like I'm not 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.320 the most I'm I'm not sitting there saying like I'm 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:09.760 the most healthiest either either ever. But like if it's 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.680 fast food for breakfast, fast food for lunch, you know, 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.640 if it's everything is like always out to eat for 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.440 a multiple days in a row, not enough water, not 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.280 working out, not getting the proper sleep, I'm finished. Really, 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.800 Oh goodness, We'll talk about the fighting a little bit. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.960 You went, right, yes, anybody all right? I know there's 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.200 something that you want to get into. Tragic story over 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.200 the weekend where a young man camera ray lost his 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:36.839 life on March eighteenth, and then kind of implicated our 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:42.080 player was under what was an under investigation? Well the 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.359 group question, Yeah, the good question him. He was the 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.080 one who kind of stood out on the security camera. Yeah, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:54.120 so you got called in. So what's the latest development 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:56.240 they've made a couple of rest over the weekend? Right? Yeah, 0:06:56.480 --> 0:07:00.560 Well I was Calvin Joseph. Sorry, Yeah, he was with 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:07.560 a group a month or so ago, and not him, 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.680 but the guys he was with got into a fight 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:14.080 with another group and then that didn't last long. But 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.720 then as they were pulling away. Some of the people 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.600 that he was with in the vehicle shot at the 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:25.400 rival group and one of the Raymond I think he 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:30.640 was Cameron. Cameron he was killed and so um, yeah, 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.800 they were able to identify Kelvin Joseph on the videotape 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:37.880 and so they questioned him and I think two arrests 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:42.480 were made yesterday Friday, right, yeah, but they quickly after 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:49.480 they question him. So so yeah, it's an interesting tragic 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.080 situation and it's going to be interesting, I guess to 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:56.679 see where he lands. Is there are laws in place 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:59.200 that just being in the vehicle could land him in 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:05.720 serious trouble. So it does. It does. Side of that, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.040 it's what did the Cowboys do? What did the NFL do? 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.360 That kind of thing. So, you know, the the tragic 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:16.400 thing is is that lives were lost and ruined in 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:23.679 this moment, and that we'll start there. Thoughts and prayers 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:25.760 go out to the ray family because a lot of 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.520 times in these situation is that the when you're dealing 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.320 with a high profile that gets lost, that get lost 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.400 like someone lost a son, a brother, like a friend. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.320 He's gone. This was twenty years old or eighteen years old. 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.200 He was he was celebrating the birthday he was celebrating. 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.760 Was here celebrating a birthday from Athens? Tell he was 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:44.480 up coming up from I guess up, but down or 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:50.280 whatever from Athens, Texas. That's it. He's done over what 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:56.280 a disagreement you step up my shoes or push I 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:58.800 don't know what what it was. But you know, a 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.000 life is now lost in a family's life is turned 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:04.160 upside down because of him. Now, when you come to 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.640 the Kelvin Joseph situation, this is a guy who's kind 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.240 of come in with a little bit of a character 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:19.640 issues from his time and industry in college, and you 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:24.240 hate to see this happen because there are so many 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.160 different ways this thing could have been handled but for 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:32.200 Kelvin Joseph to put himself And it's not just Kelvin himself. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.920 We've seen athletes all across the board for years and 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:40.240 years and years and years not fully understand that at 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:42.520 the end of the day, when all said and done, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.679 you're the one that's going to lose the most when 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:52.240 you put yourself in these situations. Did you know the 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.160 night of that someone died? Probably not, But the fact 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.040 of the matter is you were in a car, and 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:03.480 I believe the SUV was owned by you. Um, very 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.640 rarely do you get in the car, Like when I 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.080 go in to hang out with people. I know who 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.480 I'm hanging out with. I know he likes to drink, 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:15.600 I know he carries guns, I know he got a 0:10:15.640 --> 0:10:18.800 hot temper. I know who I'm hanging out with. So 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.560 I find it hard to believe that Kelvin got into 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:27.360 that car and didn't know folks were strapped. Find it 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:31.080 hard to believe the off the gate. I also find 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.960 it hard to believe that there was a moment in 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:39.240 time from when the when the fight ended, there had 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:43.360 to be either a walk or run to the truck, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.960 And in that moment there had to be something that 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:53.080 said because they had to turn around, someone had to 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:57.840 know that there was guns being loaded, guns being rounds 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.960 being put in the chamber, cocked, whatever you want to 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:09.400 call it, before that situation happened. I just I need 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:11.880 for I need for these guys to understand that these 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:15.720 like these situations can be avoided. This was at an 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:22.199 avoidable situation. This situation did not have to happen. And 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.840 there were multiple points in this thing where where and 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.679 I get it, it it ain't the cool thing to do, 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:32.520 and it ain't the tough thing to do. Hey, hey, fellas, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.880 I'm not getting in this car with y'all. Right, Damn 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.120 what you think about me, Damn what you say about me, 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.160 because at the end of the day, I'm the one 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:49.240 that's gonna lose the most. The incident happened, then you 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:54.080 don't say a word. Now, as someone Nate, you're also 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.640 someone who's been in this organization for a long time. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:02.840 There's people to call. There's people to call. If not 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:07.320 that night, that next morning, not to come in and 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.640 say that you're a snitch or you're this, or you're that, 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.440 and and and and and and let me address Let 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.920 me address the snitching situation. It's my camera's all up. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:20.360 Let me address this snitching situation thing. Okay, because because 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:24.199 people get on Twitter and half of you have more 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:27.600 than half of you, ninety five percent of you, ain't 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.360 gonna bust a graper in the fruit fight, ain't gonna 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.400 kill none, ain't gonna let nothing die. So don't sit 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:34.800 here and get on Twitter and all of a sudden, 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:36.559 now you're talking about some old he's snitching, he's nitch 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:42.800 and he's nitching snitching or ratting. Those type of rules 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:46.000 only apply to those who are in the street. Code 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.240 only applies to those who are in the street. Let 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.280 me be very clear about that. If you're not a 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:55.440 street dude, and only sixty five percent of them right, 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.880 Because when the judge start giving out what we call 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:03.400 football numbers, when that judge started talking about twenty five years, 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:09.800 twenty years, thirty years, you sing because I ain't going 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.920 to jail for nobody. But the fact that Kelvin held 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.719 onto this for an entire month until he became a 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:24.520 person of interest identified him that to me, not to me, 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:31.240 he became the only suspect. He became he became the 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.760 only see. It went from trying to find these suspects too. 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:41.160 He became memory. Lewis, you became the only suspect, Nate knew. 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.959 You become the only subspect because of who you are 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.560 and what you're about into the snitching point. I told 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.600 my kids a long time ago. Let me tell y'all something. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.640 That dude of that girl the first one to say, 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:59.960 hey man, let's keep this quiet. Let's don't say a word, 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.280 keep it to yourself, don't let the police walk to 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:07.439 him first. I've seen it. I've been a part of it. 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:11.400 It ain't no such thing. People that's in the federal 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.280 pen with any reduced time. If you see a person 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.920 that has no reduced time, that means he's met committed 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:25.120 a petty crime. Oh he's got semi five years or 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:30.560 more and it can't be reduced everybody else. It's a 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.600 very same That sounds good on the rap Brocker, go 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.920 ahead on ja. It does sound good for the rap record. 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.680 That sounds good for whatever you want to kind of 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:42.400 portray to be. But let's be honest, like to have 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.720 this whole like, it blows my mind when I see, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.600 like you know, athletes are saying that they're in the 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.840 gang or they're in this and they're rap how they 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:55.720 are though, how like like you that ain't real. I'm 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:57.640 gonna tell you a lot ain't real. A lot of 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:01.200 kids in certain areas, it's not every area. And then 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:05.800 we're talking very small are in gangs have been a 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.840 part of gangs. Are gangs have kicked them out because 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:10.560 they saw that. You know, a lot of times gangs 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.560 kick you out because they see you have a future. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.280 They won't hold you to the creed or the policies 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.320 and I get that, but but there ain't no way 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.600 that you could be a professional athlete and still be 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.960 gang backing. Don't don't even don't those two don't even 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.480 make it that. Yeah you can, Yeah you can, t 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.760 Yeah you can, Yeah you can. I'm sorry, Jess. I mean, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:34.720 if you're gonna talk real, let's keep it real. I 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:36.640 just find it hard. I find it. I find it 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:39.560 hard for you to be a true gangster when when 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.840 when you have a seven am report time, I find 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.240 it real hard to be a true gangster when it's 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.160 search things. It's such thames called lieutenants, such things called soldiers, 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.040 And depending on who you are and where your money, 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.520 if you findancing, you will be held to the same rules. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:59.320 If if I'm raking out to the brotherhood, it's gonna 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.120 be held to the same same standards. No I'm not, 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.000 do I have to tote up? No? I don't. You 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.160 told it? You know if I'm raking you down? What's 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:11.600 the deal it? Life is so funny because we we 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.440 think that the higher you go up as a human 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.720 being in the in this world, in this life, we 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.600 think things don't still stick to us. Yes it does. 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.240 That's what took a lot of It took a lot 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:26.280 of guys a lot of time to realize, Okay, I 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.760 don't have to be a part of this. You know. 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:32.360 It's it's an oath that I made and it was 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:36.280 the wrong oath, you know. Uh, yeah, it's it's a 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.880 few guys that hold on to that because they think 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.240 once they get out of football, they're gonna save all 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:43.960 their friends. But you can't say that type of person. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:46.720 That type of person have to save themselves. But at 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.320 the end of the day, it never works out. And 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.440 we're looking at this, this Joseph situation where now your 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:55.720 career is on the brink, like your career is on 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.920 the brink, because we still don't just because you weren't 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.000 arrested today. Hey, now, now what's gonna come down to? 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.959 Because if he if he and we don't know when 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.800 they had the meeting his lawyers and the police. We 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:13.840 don't know what was said, but he wasn't arrested. Immediately 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.160 after talking to the police, they then go and make 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.879 arrest for two other these gentlemen. And I'm no lawyer, 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.440 I'm not, but what I'm saying is it looks like 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.880 he gave information that led to this arrest. So now 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.360 when these guys get arrested, the detectives or whoever were 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.280 going to say, yeah, we have information that we got 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:36.800 from Now what's going to be our story versus his story? 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.320 And then it comes down to who got the better lawyers? Right, 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:42.040 who got who got the better lawyers? At the end 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.919 of the day, you you would think Joseph has the 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.359 most money, has the most backing because he has the 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.760 celebrity that he's probably gonna have the better representation when 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:55.640 it comes to court. No, you know, I laugh because 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:00.280 you you you you touching on some important parts. But 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.680 it's it's too much to go over. It's too much 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:10.440 really because if these guys, and I'm not a lawyer, 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:14.560 I've been in some bad situations that don't turned out 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.920 to be good and bad for Nate. So I'm giving 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:19.800 you part of the experiences that I've been around. And 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.120 this does not have nothing to do with Kevin jose 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:27.639 because I was not there. But he can be automatically released. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.560 If these two guys that have been turned in and say, 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.600 hey man, this dude didn't know what I was gonna do. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.040 He know I was going to that level? You know 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.200 that releases Kevin Joseph if you get what I'm saying, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.720 and that is just the truth about it. If they say, hey, man, 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.960 I was hot, I got mad. Yeah, it's make him 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.840 accessory that he's in my car. I know some people 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.240 that that went down. And then and then the people say, man, 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.439 this guy did not know this young lady did not 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.399 know that this was going down like this, that I 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.560 was gonna take this shot that can release him. But 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.399 we don't know. And I don't want to speculate, and 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.000 I don't want people run around saying, well Newton said, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.320 you know what I'm saying or something you know, But 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:12.119 when you when you're talking about a life the de 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.679 Ray family, you're talking about a mother and a father. 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:20.920 That is who I would be scared of. That's who 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.879 I would That's who I would be scared of. In 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:28.639 their lawyers because this goes so much for thinking for 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:31.760 Kevin Joseph than he knows. So that's what I would 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:36.000 be scared of. Uh and uh, I just feel bad 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:39.679 and and and and I'm saying this on right here now. 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:42.600 Y'all need to bring me over there and talk to 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:49.720 than players. See, because it's nowhere in the world you're 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.520 gonna know this go down like this. I'm talking about life, 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:55.880 ain't te about cussing somebody out, just throw a few 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.399 hands and walked away. It's nowhere in the world that 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:01.000 you you ain't smiling to know that you need to 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.800 get the joneses out ahead of this. But see they 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.560 you know what, I've had the luxury of talking to 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.000 the rookies for the last couple of years here and 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:16.080 sad to say that I've talked to Kelvin Joseph in 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:20.560 those rookie meetings, and we've seen some posiums upon some posiums, 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:23.280 and we've seen people being brought in and being brought 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.360 I mean we we've Josh Brett, who've been a part 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.400 of some stuff here, has spoke to guys I mean 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.360 they're they've But as you and I both know, you're 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.600 still going to have certain guys that are still going 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:38.280 to say even in that meeting, it's gonna go in 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.800 one ear and out the other, and they're still gonna 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:43.560 go and do what it is they want to do, 0:20:43.840 --> 0:20:46.520 how they want to do it when they're now The 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.000 hope is that this changes. This is this is a 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.560 trajectory changing, a pivot moment for Kelvin Joseph that now 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.280 he realizes I really and truly got to get my 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:00.959 crap together because I don't know what the Cowboys are 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:02.560 gonna do. Are they're gonna keep him on the roster, 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.679 That's my question. I mean, do you let him go 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.040 or do you try to that's gonna be That's gonna 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.639 be a tough situation. I mean, I don't know. And 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:16.280 the Cowboys have been one who have been very, very 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:21.359 very forgiving and merciful when it comes to certain situations 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:23.560 where they've given guys second and third and fourth and 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:27.000 fifth chances to kind of rectify situations. I don't know, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:31.359 but we've also seen that the league is probably not 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.760 going to be I mean, we've had cases here where 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:39.280 people have not been charged by the law and still 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:42.800 had to face stiff punishment from the league on this 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:47.480 team and the round, you know. So, I mean there's 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:50.600 gonna be some repercussions that come down. I don't know 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.280 what it's going to be. Teams may want to shy 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:56.080 away from this stuff and say, listen, we don't need 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.960 any more black publicity or that kind of person in 0:21:58.000 --> 0:21:59.520 the locker room or so on the sofa. But to 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:04.240 your point. They absolutely when I say make those phone 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:09.360 calls in these moments. This is one of the things 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:14.480 about the Jones family. In this organization, there isn't much 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:17.600 over the years, and this dates back all the way 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.280 to the early nineties when you were here. There ain't 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.800 much that ain't been that ain't happened here. The cowboys 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:28.120 they this is if there's one place that is damaged 0:22:28.119 --> 0:22:37.679 control ready, it's this organization. Unfortunately, unfortunately, fortunately unfortunately, but 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:39.640 when they get when you when they get woken up 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:44.760 to a call for a situation this big, and they're 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:48.080 surprised by it. What's the lease that that that that 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:52.600 that'll set some folks off? The lease, the lease, the 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:56.560 lease team, the highest team, all these teams are ready 0:22:57.400 --> 0:23:02.680 see this. It's just one of the few things that 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:07.639 got out Jesse, you know. And this is why that 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.600 phone call should have been made night off, because if 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:14.600 the phone call was made night of and they could 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.320 have got in front of this, this doesn't blow up 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:20.320 and they would have had Joseph over there. This doesn't 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.399 blow up the way it has blown up now to 0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:26.040 to to where it's at that Again, there's enough people 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.400 in this organization that know enough people, and enough pds 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:30.479 around here in DA's and judges and all that kind 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.359 of stuff. This could have got if you're if Joseph, 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.280 whatever he said that day could have been said a 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.480 month ago and they could have been on top of 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:44.480 this and they couldn't. And if the system loves those 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:49.200 that come forward versus those that are forced to come forward, 0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.199 if they would have say, Okay, this kid caress on 0:23:52.280 --> 0:23:54.359 his mind. He's got a heart, he's got a mind. 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.359 But now society saying, wow, this dude waited a mind 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:06.400